September 5, 2025 • 40 mins
Over the last couple of months, tragedy has struck two MA families unexpectedly. At the end of June, a UMass Amherst student who was interning in D.C. got caught up in a violent act as an innocent bystander who was murdered. Two teenagers have been charged with Eric Tarpinian-Jachym’s murder. Then, in August, a Shrewsbury father was murdered on his way home after dropping his 6-year-old son off at school. Kevin Doherty confronted a man he saw spray-painting graffiti, to which the two men got into a spat where the suspect pulled out a gun and shot Doherty, who tragically died from his injuries. We discussed the senseless acts of violence as of late, felt here in Massachusetts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's Meat Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back. I think between Wednesday night and tonight,
in our nine o'clock hours, all of us know a
lot more about the Massachusetts Turnpike and service plazas here
in Massachusetts than we did probably when we be when
we began the week. Again, I want to thank both sides.
That's a pretty competitive process between this company, Apple Green,
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and Global Partners. Global Partners is a longtime Massachusetts company.
Apple Green was founded in Ireland, but has a substantial
presence footprint in various states around the country. So it's
an interesting issue and it's one that in its own way,
will impact all of us over The next length of
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the contract is thirty five years, so your children and
your grandchildren will probably be driving on the Massachusetts Turnpike
as as the years wind off the clock. So I
want to talk about two seemingly unrelated cases, and I'd
like to try to bring them together for you. We've
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talked a lot, and we've had a lot of conversation
in the last few months, not necessarily on night Side,
but in the country on the whole issue of crime.
A lot of that has dealt with the effort to
find those who are here illegally, particularly those who are
here illegally and have serious criminal records, and get them
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out of the country. There's also the efforts by the
Trump administration to clean up crime in Washington, d C.
And Los Angeles, and threats of sending federal forces, perhaps
military National Guard forces into Chicago. However, this two separate
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incidents that in the last I guess forty eight hours
have resulted in arrests. The first one that I want
to talk about deals with the arrest of two teenagers
today in Washington, D C. These two teenagers have been
charged with the June thirtieth murder of U mass Amherst student.
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The U mass Amherst student his name His name is
Eric Tarpinian Joshua. He grew up in the town of Granby,
which is in western Massachusetts, and apparently in recent years
had been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues
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but had completed and I don't have the specifics, but
had gone through a series of hospital hospitalizations, treatments, and
last June. This past June went to Washington as part
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of a college internship program. He's a student at UMSS
Amherst and he twenty one years old. He went down
there to work as an intern in the office of
a Member of Congress. Who member of Congress happened to
be a Republican from Kansas. This young man was an independent,
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self described independent from Massachusetts. He is in a program
that is pursuing a degree, was pursuing a degree in
finance with a minor in political science at UMSS Amherst.
And in the category of being in the wrong place
at the wrong time. Around ten thirty on the night
of June thirtieth, apparently some sort of a gunfight broke
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out in Washington, d C. Downtown Washington, d C close
to Seventh in M Streets. Anyone who's familiar with Washington
d C knows that seventh in M Street Israeli in
the in the in what would be considered one of
the better sections of Washington, d C. And firefight broke out.
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The young man from gran Vy, Massachusetts. He was killed,
suffered several gunshot wounds. He had nothing, There was no
he was involved in nothing. There was a sixteen year
old who was also shot. He might have been the
target of this firefight. And all the reports that I
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have seen indicated that Eric He's only was in the
city for thirty days. He went down there in June first,
and I've watched his family on television mourn the loss
of this young young guy at twenty one years of age. Today,
two seventeen year olds now affecting murder charges in connection
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with the fatal shooting of this Huemass student. He's never
coming back. His family is suffering. He was just a
victim of indiscriminated crime in Washington, DC. Okay. The second
story that I want to link is a little closer
to home, and this is out of Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, town
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up by Worcester. If any of you know the geography
of Massachusetts, Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, right by Worcester, and a dad
had walked his son to school, apparently his son, I guess,
the first grader, six years of age. The dad fifty
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six year old Kevin Dougherty, and he apparently lived close
enough to this school to walk his son to school,
which he did, and on his way back home, he
went through a park called Jordan Pond Walking Trail, and
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he apparently noticed an individual, someone in their twenties, who
was defacing or writing on the ground some but would
call graffiti crp graffiti Coolidge Street crips on the ground
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of the Jordan Pond trail, and I guess the dad,
fifty six year old Kevin Dougherty confronted this individual, Stanil
Schrevestava twenty six and an argument broke out and at
eight forty five on the morning of August twenty sixth
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August twenty eight he was shot to death. Apparently he
was shot. There were multiple rounds that were fired and
he was hit and died. Uh. He was carrying at
that point his son's scooter and his son's helmet. So
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today police now have arrested h and upgrade, upgraded, I
should say, upgraded the charges of murder to this twenty
six year old Huh. Two seemingly unrelated cases, but the
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commonality is that the victims in both of these cases
were Massachusetts residents. One a student in Washington, d C.
Totally innocent, caught in some sort of a gang crossfire.
It would appear to be appear to me the people
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who were the two people arrested today, Jalen Lucas and
Kelvin Thomas Junior, both seventeen years of age, their lives
are I would hope, are ruined forever, although because they
are seventeen, maybe they will be given a break. The
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twenty six year old who shot and killed the Shrewsbury
father five times in a fight over spray painting in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts,
on the morning of August twenty eighth. That was a
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Thursday morning. He had just walked to six year old
son to school. The point that I want to make,
and I hope that you will respond to, is there's
an ongoing debate in this country about crime, and we
had the statistics show crime rate is up, crime rate
is down. This sort of indiscriminate murder cannot be tolerated
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in any society, never mind our society. And I don't
know where you are on Donald Trump, where you are
on the Democrats who seem to being opposed to what
Donald Trump is attempting to do, and they may have
some legal arguments for you know that are that might
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be effective. Frankly, there are enough federal judges around the country,
about seven hundred of them, that most of them seem
to weigh in on this. The point I want to
ask is this, is there anyone in this country and
if you are, I want to hear from you anyone
in this country, anyone within the sound of my voice
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who are not concerned about crime. So anyone within the
sound of my voice who will tell me that they
never give it a thought, that crime is not a
factor that they're concerned about. I don't care where you live.
If you live in a crime ridden community in Washington,
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d c. Is a crime ridden community and you're living
down there and you're not concerned about it, I'd love
to know why. If you're living in Boston or anywhere,
and if you are concerned about it, what do we
need to do about it? Because there's just too much
indiscriminated killing. Any one of us could at some point
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by this time tomorrow, well maybe not any one of us,
but a lot of us within the sound of my voice,
and this time tomorrow could die at the hands of
a criminal. You can always die. Also die in a
car accident, obviously, you can fall off a ladder. There's
a lot of ways you can die. But one of
the ways that I think all of us need to
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be concerned about is crime. Too many people, too many
people find themselves widows or widowers, too many young children
find themselves without a mom or a dad, and it
is a very important issue in this country. I want
to talk about it. I hope you do as well.
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Six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Slight the lines
up if you disagree with me. I think at least
President Trump is trying to address it now. He may
be addressing it in a way that's going to be
challenged and challenged successfully. But the Democrats, it seems to me,
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the who we're hearing from the elected Democrats, they seem
to have no concern. There are other Democrats who are
speaking out, including the mayor of Washington, d C. Who
seems to be supportive of President Trump. We'll be back
on Night Side six one seven, two five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Let's
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line him up. Be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
All right, we're gonna go to the phones. We're talking
about crime in America, and we're talking about it's indiscriminate.
You know, when when.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
There is a a murder, a crime or whatever that
clearly in involves people who are each involved in criminal activity.
You know you're sad, but you say, okay, well they
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you know what they got involved in. They're they're they're
a member of a gang, and they were killed by
another member of a gang.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But in these two cases, this is a dad who
walked his son, his six year old son to school,
and this is a twenty one year old who went
to Washington become an intern in the office of a
member of Congress. This should not be happening. This should
not be happening. And I think that we need to
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be outraged that it continues to happen. We go to
Jason in Walton. Hey, Jason, welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I'm good, Dan, how are you doing good.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I know that this is a topic that you're interested in,
that love to get your perspective.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm glad I
was listening to and I always listen, but thank you.
So once again, I'm gonna go back to my stance. Right,
government officials, the government, the president, elected officials. The screamed
that the one that provide a solution. They're putting people
on those positions to create the solution, but they don't
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have no credit, dulty. I think it's a third or
fifth time. According to this show, as moved to a
sheriff from two counties made with a a DS after
this day, that man has not followed up. So this
officials said, they want to help. You got people like
us who have the credibility, who walked that life, who's
able to turn around that life, and we're not giving
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They give to introduce you to the audience. If I could, okay,
and if I say something that's incorrect, please correct me.
Jason has called into this show a handful of times,
and he listens a lot, and he at one point
found himself on the wrong side of the law and
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spent some time in the criminal justice system. Correct, yes, sir,
And we don't need to go into the specifics, but
he's pretty courageous and he mentions that, hey, he he
got his life straightened away. Made some mistakes. All of
us have made mistakes. Some of us have made mistakes
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that have put us behind bars. And and Jason now
is hoping. I don't want you to mention who you
met with, Jason, but but I would like to have
you give me a call next week. So we can
talk privately about who you met with and if no
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one followed up, I want to know why. And I'm
still attempting to put you in contact with someone who
could utilize your experience and your talent. So I want
to hear what you think about these these two instances.
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But I don't want you to hang up when you
finish and leave your number with Rob and I'll call
you next week, I promise. Okay, I just want to
drill down a little bit on this with you. Ah sure.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So I think the problem is these kids they don't
stay our way out out of the situation that they
don't see the opportunity out right, So I'm not excusing.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
What they do.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
The balance is violence that what they're doing is wrong, correct, right,
But the violence is coming towards our neighborhood, a set
neighborhoods from an inner city into our community. Because these
kids don't say a way out. They don't know, they
don't they lack their knowledge or way of life connecting
the dots. Those who don't say the opportunities out the thing.
The only way to get money is to sell dress
commit crimes. Right, people, they got kids, so they don't
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say way out because by the.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Way I think, I think Jason, most people would agree
with you that even though we have a lot of
programs that that that provide support to people, there are
people who who commit crimes and and get involved. And
maybe you were in the same situation where it looked
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some in some ways a little easier to score some
money and improve your your your lifestyle without having to work,
you know, nine to five. You can make more money
doing stuff that's a little dangerous and also illegal. I'm
just trying to trying to agree with you. I hope
that that characterization is something you're comfortable with.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yes, I am comfortable with right. But I was able
enough to connect the dots, right, So these kids that
don't connect, they cannot connect their dests. Oh, this is
a two barre my apartment in Boston, or this is
twenty five hundred dollars. The only job that could get
is pay twenty dollars. They can afford that apartment to
move in. They want first lasting deposit. You're gonna make
three times a month to move in.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, So here's my question. So my question to you,
Jason is give me a solution that you think is realistic. Meaning, however,
many kids in Washington or in Boston can't afford, you know,
an apartment for twenty five hundred dollars. What's the answer
in your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
They need a hand. They need somebody to hold their
hand and show them our way. Some of these programs
they have, they do their intake. Once they do an intake,
the what I do, point you in the different direction
in the housing. Go to Boston housing. You need this,
You need to go to here, go ahead. They don't
know how the process look like. They need mentorship. Somebody
Zoo's willing to dedicate their time maybe for free or
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consultation whatever, and hold their hands and show how to
connect those dots. I'm going to come in out of
jail who don't even know how to connect a bank account.
They're going to feel intimidate to even walk up in
the bank to open up a bank account. But if
they got somebody holding their hands, get your ID, get
PU your addresses, you know in the bank, open up
this account. You want to go to school. They got
peld grind Rocksbay Community College. You could go to school
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for free right now, get an as social degree. You
are a stop bucks. You could get a four year degree.
I was on a state and change your life.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
By the way, Jason Bob, you have articulated it exactly,
I think correctly. And the reason that I was hoping
that you would be in contact with some of the
law enforcement officials is that the time to help people.
If you can't help them before they get into trouble,
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at least we should be able to help people who
are incarcerated and are going back into society. And someone
with your experience could perhaps mentor those people and say, hey,
don't you don't have to go back into more crime,
which is going to put you back here where you
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are in the future. So I think we're on the
same page. And that's why I want you to leave
your number with Rob, a daytime number that I can
reach you, and I'll call you next week.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Okay, then I might sell one more thing to find out. Please,
I want to give a chance to speak. This life
is not that complicated. If these individuals they get some help.
For example, I'm gonna use that company staff by as
barista's shift managed. They make twenty five hour On top
of that, you get a four year degree from Arizona State,
dedicate three as of your life. What will help you
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build your credit? Show you how to get home on
a ship, get take a home, own a ship, claud
get a dumping messagetant on the program. You don't have
to live in the city of Boston. You could have
won an oscars weak still afford a three hundred thousand
dollars house. Maybe in wolves that get a two family
house in Land How to house hut.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, No, you're right, Jake, Jason. You just make you
make a lot of sense. I mean, everybody would love
to live in a condominium at the top of Beacon Hill,
but for the point you know, and so no, that's
why I think your experience, combined with what you are
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willing to tell people, I really want to try to
work to help you get back in front of some
of those individuals who maybe didn't appreciate you as much
as they should have. So leave a number with Rob.
Rob will give me the number, making a daytime number,
and ACQUI next week, okay, and I want to find out.
I want you to refresh my recollection, tell me who
you spoke with and how you would treat it. And
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let's find someone who you can interact with and make
make a difference in people's lives. Fair enough, fair you
don't hang up. Give you a number, daytime number, roub
daytime number. Take a quick break news at the bottom
of the hour. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
We next hour have the twentieth hour, and I'll tell
you exactly what we're going to do in advance. And
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what we are going to do in the twentieth hour
is we're going to recognize that summer, even though summer
continues to September twenty first, Labor Day, is the unofficial
end of summer. And I want to find out if
there's things you had intended to do this summer that
you weren't able to accomplish and what you still hope
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to be able to accomplish while we still have some
good weather. Back on Nightside right after this, for now,
I want to know how do we stop these indiscriminate,
insane confrontations which end up in the murder of people
who this this, this young man should still be alive tonight,
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This fifty six year old father of three who had
simply walked his son to school. Coming back on Night's
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Speaker 1 (22:16):
Back It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Back to the phones, let me go to Will down
in Long Island. Will welcome back your thoughts on uh,
this this this violence that just doesn't end. Is it
impossible to stop?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I listened to the last caller and all I could
think to myself to sum it up. And I know
this sounds terrible to some people, but that obviously never
stopped me. So they need that they need positive male
role models. We know that the bulk of the violent
crimes are committed by men, men that oftentimes do not
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have positive male role models, especially in the home, and
the male role models that they do have are out
being bad dads and teaching them how to be a
bad voice. Now, I am a sober person of seventeen years.
I did not have the best positive male role models.
I found myself in trouble many times as well. And
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I've spoken at jails and rehabs and institutions and all
types of places with people that were destitute and would
look at me and say, oh, you know, what do
you know? Look at your watch, nice watch, nice shoes,
until I told them my story about where i'd been,
and that I know what it feels like to feel
exactly the way they feel. Right, Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That you're basically you're basically telling me the same thing
that Jason told me. Jason actually spent time incarcerated, and
I'm trying to get him in contact with some one
in law enforcement which would give him access to to
talk to some of these young men before they leave prison.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right And unfortunately, there are a lot of people in
these communities, you know, and it's not you know, any
particular community, but there are a lot of people in
government and politics, in life and show business and entertainment,
in the in the news that are making money off
exploiting these people being bad examples, being bad role models.
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I mean, rap music is full of bad role models, period.
I don't care what anybody says. I listened to rap
music growing up, except my parents didn't let me listen
to it until I was about fourteen years old, when
I knew the difference between you know, metaphorically being a
gangster and actually being a gangster, because that three years old.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But Will, the bottom line is you're not going to
be able to say we're going to to stop people
from no.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
What I'm saying is that a perverse influence has entered
our nation years ago. Dan, let me ask you a question.
In nineteen sixty five, Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of
horrible stuff going on. People got murdered and stuff like that.
Right nineteen fifties, do you ever remember anybody shooting up
a school? Dan, definitely, not at the frequency that we've
seen anything like this. I don't remember that until I
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saw Columbine. That was the first time I said, what
has happened through our country? This must be just some blip,
something that could never happen against And now we've learned
to live with it. It's become something that happens all
the time. From Sandy Hook to I think, I think
it's the.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
First one that And you're right, I mean, there's no
Sandy Hook was a mother who was unable to control
a child who was deeply sick, deeply sick.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
There's some disease in our society.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Again, I want to come back to you. You're talking
about the name in the sixties in the Texas Bell Tower,
I think at the University of Texas.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There was a guy who up there was shooting and
believe I'd have to refresh my recollection as to how
many people. And I think his name was Charles Something.
I'm going to find it here during the commercial break.
But that's the first one that I can remember that
predates that he abbreviates qualifying, which was in nineteen ninety nine.
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That's thirty years before Columbine.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
But if you look at our society in general, it's
become socially acceptable. Not only has crime become socially acceptable, right,
Not only has it become socially acceptable, we have legislators
out there decriminalizing everything. You know, it's funny they start
to tell you, oh, crime statistics are going down. First off,
they're going down from all time highs. Let's start with that. Secondly,
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when you decriminalize everything, of course, crime rates go down.
Here in New York, they want to take anything less
than eight hundred dollars. They don't even prosecute you for
it at this point anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's all throughout the country now.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I mean, so think about this. We're normalizing this, and
then crime, we know leads to crime. Escalations in crime,
and when you make excuses for people, well, you know
what they don't see a way out, and you know
it's okay to commit crimes. That's where the positive male
role model's coming. That's where your last caller could make
a difference. And a lot of men need to step up.
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And we have to not be afraid of society telling
us that that's toxic masculinity. To teach your boys how
to be men. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Dair enough, fair enough, okay, by the way. The guy
to Texas the University of Texas Towers shooting August Firth
nineteen sixty six, University of Texas at Austin. The perpetrator
was the twenty five year old marine veteran Charles Whitman.
He killed fifteen people, including an onboard child, injured thirty
one others before he was killed by two Austin Police
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have officers.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
So yeah, now we get one of those months. It
seems like now you know you're.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Right, you're right. Well, great historical perspective, and it gives
something to some people that maybe they're going to tell
us something that how we can I feel like.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
It will take generations. Then I feel like it will
take generations. Unfortunately, it will take one generation to stand
up to politicians like the mayor in Chicago, that's exploiting
his own people. It will say, what Dan, Right now,
the politician is Donald Trump, you know, going out on
a limb, being called a Nazi, being called the racist,
being called all these despicable things. When he lives out
there in mar A Lago. He don't live in these neighborhoods.
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He doesn't have to deal with this. He doesn't have
to put himself out there and his legacy out there
to defend people that hate him.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
A lot of politicians who are criticizing them him, like
Mayor Brandon Johnson and the Governor Pritzker in Illinois. Have
them walk on the South side of Chicago some Friday
or Saturday night without the live uh, without.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
With seam waters. They live out in the neighborhoods where
where people don't have to be concerned about that, right,
and when they do go into the neighborhoods, that's surrounded
by armed guards. You're right, Dan, the hypocrisy knows no bounds.
All right, buddy, Thank you will talking, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Talk to you soon. Six one seven, five forward, ten
thirty six seven. Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We go to Greg and Ontario. Greg, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Welcome, Yeah him, Good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right back at you, Greg. What's your take on this
and up in Canada.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Well, we got the same problems here in Canada. Your
your second caller, Will they're pretty much covered. Uh, you
know my outlook on all this. I've been following Donald
Trump on what he's been doing in Washington and I
fully support it one hundred percent. I kind of wish
somebody in this country would take that same approach because
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in my lifetime here in this country, I'd never you know,
anything like it in Toronto, London, Windsor every day all
I'm hearing on the radio in the reports and murders
fourteen year old kids, sixteen, seventeen year old kids. We had.
We had a house invasion whilst week in Toronto and
three thugs killed a father in front of five year olds.
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We had, we had another house invasion, we had a
four year old child girl get raped, you know. And
then we also it's on and on and and we
had a grandmother of sixty years old and Hamilton, she
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was stabbed to death in a parking lot in broad
daylight by a fourteen year old who wanted two carjacker.
It just goes on.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And I thought that I thought that Canada was was
had not been infected by what you're dealing with. I
thought you had strict gun control gun laws up there.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Well, our gun control laws for law abiding citizens are
pretty strict, but for the criminal element of the count.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And also you're talking about teenagers. What is prompting teenagers
in gannet? I mean, and I'm not being sarcastic when
I say this, but I assume fourteen year old and
fifteen year old young men are working on their hockey skills.
And I'm not trying to be sarcastic when I say that.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
No, there's no law in order, there's no consequences. There's
a lot of judges in this country, liberal judges, and
what they what they're doing, it's a revolving door of criminals.
They get a lot of these people who are committing
these crimes. Then they've committed the same crime four or five,
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six times, and they're in and they're out and days
later and they're doing it again. And we've had a
an immigrant explosion in his country under Justin trudeauver for
ten years, and I can tell you who's doing these crimes,
and it's the majority of them are done from individuals,
illegal immigrants and people coming from other parts of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Is what you know we talked out here about you know,
twenty million, you know people are in this country illegally.
What is the number? Canada has a much smaller population.
You have thirty million people up there. It's a it's
a fraction of the population of the United States. How
many illegal immigrants has Canada.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Absorbed, well, you know, it's hard to the numbers. You know,
people are saying well over a million into two million,
and you know, we can't get a straight answer. But
now there's forty million people in this country. And I like,
you know, as a Canadian who lived here, you know,
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my whole life, obviously, I would never have thought what
I see going on in the streets that I grew
up in. It's not safe to walk in this country
anymore than it is anywhere else in the United States
that has a high crime in New York or Los Angeles.
That's what's going on. And of course our politicians they
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just you know, they just want to kind of ignore it.
We had mayors and cities throughout this country. They just
watching it all happen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, look, Greg, very powerful phone call. We need to
hear more from you know, Canadian listeners. And I know
you've called before, but this was an eye opening phone
call for me. There's nothing that you said. If it
had been said about the United States, that would have
surprised me. But I did not realize that Canada had
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degenerated as much as it has. To be really honest
with you, I'm stunned. I'm absolutely stunned. Okay, please keep
in contact and please be a more frequent caller.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Okay, okay, you have yourself. Good weeknd Okay you two?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thanks great, Rob. We're up to date on spots here right,
I don't know you a spot right? Okay? Good. Let
me go to Michael and West Roxbury. Michael next on
night side? Hey Dan, are you go to you on
a speakerphone? Would you mind getting off the speakerphone so
we can hear you clearly? No? O?
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Good?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Okay, Rob, do me favorite clean up his call? Please?
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
In the meantime, let me go to Gene and Average
and we're getting a little tight on time. Gotta be
quick for me, Jene, go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Okay. A couple of things I want to say is
parental training, because there are a lot of teenage, very
young mothers that's been hap spening for several years now.
And I think, just like the guy from Canada said,
a lot of these people are from other countries that
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come here and they have children at a very young age.
They have no parental training at all. So that's where
it starts in the home. All of it starts in
the home. Dan, And you know the curfuse, remember uh
the old Do you know where your children are?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
People know where the children are, what they're doing, who
they're with.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, obviously a lot of people don't. I mean, I
don't think that any parent in the world, or in
the United States or in Canada is going to say, oh, yeah,
my kid's out. He's a gang banger and he's popping.
He's popping a couple of his opponents tonight. Yeah, well,
we hope you have him back in the house by
three am. He's got he's got a couple of jobs
he's got to do.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
No, I don't think Yeah, well, I mean obviously know
that where are these kids. I mean come on. The
parents are not bringing them up properly at all. They're
not paying any attention to it, and that's one of
the biggest problems. And the judges no consequences. That no consequence.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, all very very good points, none of which I'm
going to disagree with. But I got to get back
to a couple more quick calls here because I'm running
and we're going to change.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Topics, so I'll let you go. But the movies are horrible.
The music's terrible in the video games. Also all violence.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh, thank you very much, you appreciate it. Let me
go back to Michael. Michael, I hope you're off the
speakerphone if we can hear you.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Go right, how are you? Damn?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm doing great. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
I'm calling about those those first callers that you got.
Every one of them had something very good to say.
I agreed with all of them.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Well.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
I think they should lower the age to ten years
old and to give them life in prison male or female,
no pulloll, no free out of jail card, And just
that's the way it's going to be, because if they
don't want to try to learn, and if people are
teaching them, the wrong thing. Yeah, they should get put
in prison too.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, well, I think I would disagree with you. I
think that if they wanted, you know, in Massachusetts, the
trend is just the opposite. They're now saying that if
someone commits a murder in the first degree and it's
convicted of murdering the first degree and they're eighteen nineteen twenty,
they have a right to get a parole hearing in
fifteen years. So we're going in the wrong direction. I
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think if you commit a murder in the first degree
at sixteen or seventeen, you should be looking at life
in prison without parole. I think we're going in the
absolutely wrong direction. I don't know that I would go
as low as ten years of age, because I don't
think there are that many kids who are doing that
sort of crime in ten years. But I understand the
point you're making.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
I like and I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, right right, Well, not necessarily, but I appreciate you calling.
I hope you call more frequently and more often and
always be available. Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
All right, let me get very quickly here, John and Boston,
John to try to get you in one more go ahead, John.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Dan Basically, Mayor Wu knows that Boston is short at
least a thousand police officers, and the governor knows that
they're resistant Donald Trump's attempts to bring the National Guard
and to try to help with the crime. They've been ported,
real serious criminals into this country, Dan into to Maschow's
their allowance. This day and I know, cops on in
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Boston arrested a guy with an illegal gun, a young man.
The DA lets him out. The next day, they arrest
the same guy a week later, the DA lets the
guy off the next day back on the street. It's
the legal system. It's causing the problems. Let the criminals.
They're not serious about crime.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Dan. Well, the other thing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
The other thing too, John, John, the other part of
that formula that you're talking that you're talking about is
that we elect people to these offices, whether it's the
mayor's office or the district attorney's office or whatever. Uh.
And you get what you elect, I mean, President Obamas
(39:05):
that elections have consequences. We elected Rachel Rollins as the
DA in Boston, and she ran on the platform of
increasing the number of crimes for which there should be
no penalty. You know, shopliftings could shoplift up to one
thousand dollars. So, I mean, that's what people are electing
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
They're electing crime. Then they're they're they're not politics is
not serious about.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, they're they're electing politicians who who are not serious
about crime. Yeah, they're not electing crime. It's the maybe
they they're doing it indirectly, but they're electing politicians who
talk about making it easier for criminals to avoid an
evade prosecution.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Exactly, and they're doing nothing. It's I mean, they're lecturing
us on getting vaccines. They're importing people who have measles
into Logan Airport in terminal League.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's a different that's a different that's a different story.
But Hey, John, I wish you called earlier, but I'm
flat out of time. I'm coming up on the eleven
o'clock news and i gotta let you run. Thanks, thanks
for the call, it was a good one. Thanks for
the conversation. Next hour, I want to go, we go
twentieth hour, we go a little lighter, and what we're
going to talk about is is there something that you
(40:18):
had planned to do this summer or you wanted to
do this summer. You haven't got around to, but you're
going to get around to it. Between now and let's
say Columbus Day, feel free to join the conversation. I'm
always looking to find a topic that people will enjoy
having a conversation about. That's what we do in the
twentieth Hour. We take the serious stuff and put it aside,
(40:39):
coming back on Night's side.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's Meat Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back. I think between Wednesday night and tonight,
in our nine o'clock hours, all of us know a
lot more about the Massachusetts Turnpike and service plazas here
in Massachusetts than we did probably when we be when
we began the week. Again, I want to thank both sides.
That's a pretty competitive process between this company, Apple Green,
(00:28):
and Global Partners. Global Partners is a longtime Massachusetts company.
Apple Green was founded in Ireland, but has a substantial
presence footprint in various states around the country. So it's
an interesting issue and it's one that in its own way,
will impact all of us over The next length of
(00:50):
the contract is thirty five years, so your children and
your grandchildren will probably be driving on the Massachusetts Turnpike
as as the years wind off the clock. So I
want to talk about two seemingly unrelated cases, and I'd
like to try to bring them together for you. We've
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talked a lot, and we've had a lot of conversation
in the last few months, not necessarily on night Side,
but in the country on the whole issue of crime.
A lot of that has dealt with the effort to
find those who are here illegally, particularly those who are
here illegally and have serious criminal records, and get them
(01:36):
out of the country. There's also the efforts by the
Trump administration to clean up crime in Washington, d C.
And Los Angeles, and threats of sending federal forces, perhaps
military National Guard forces into Chicago. However, this two separate
(02:00):
incidents that in the last I guess forty eight hours
have resulted in arrests. The first one that I want
to talk about deals with the arrest of two teenagers
today in Washington, D C. These two teenagers have been
charged with the June thirtieth murder of U mass Amherst student.
(02:24):
The U mass Amherst student his name His name is
Eric Tarpinian Joshua. He grew up in the town of Granby,
which is in western Massachusetts, and apparently in recent years
had been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues
(02:46):
but had completed and I don't have the specifics, but
had gone through a series of hospital hospitalizations, treatments, and
last June. This past June went to Washington as part
(03:08):
of a college internship program. He's a student at UMSS
Amherst and he twenty one years old. He went down
there to work as an intern in the office of
a Member of Congress. Who member of Congress happened to
be a Republican from Kansas. This young man was an independent,
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self described independent from Massachusetts. He is in a program
that is pursuing a degree, was pursuing a degree in
finance with a minor in political science at UMSS Amherst.
And in the category of being in the wrong place
at the wrong time. Around ten thirty on the night
of June thirtieth, apparently some sort of a gunfight broke
(03:55):
out in Washington, d C. Downtown Washington, d C close
to Seventh in M Streets. Anyone who's familiar with Washington
d C knows that seventh in M Street Israeli in
the in the in what would be considered one of
the better sections of Washington, d C. And firefight broke out.
(04:19):
The young man from gran Vy, Massachusetts. He was killed,
suffered several gunshot wounds. He had nothing, There was no
he was involved in nothing. There was a sixteen year
old who was also shot. He might have been the
target of this firefight. And all the reports that I
(04:44):
have seen indicated that Eric He's only was in the
city for thirty days. He went down there in June first,
and I've watched his family on television mourn the loss
of this young young guy at twenty one years of age. Today,
two seventeen year olds now affecting murder charges in connection
(05:04):
with the fatal shooting of this Huemass student. He's never
coming back. His family is suffering. He was just a
victim of indiscriminated crime in Washington, DC. Okay. The second
story that I want to link is a little closer
to home, and this is out of Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, town
(05:29):
up by Worcester. If any of you know the geography
of Massachusetts, Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, right by Worcester, and a dad
had walked his son to school, apparently his son, I guess,
the first grader, six years of age. The dad fifty
(05:49):
six year old Kevin Dougherty, and he apparently lived close
enough to this school to walk his son to school,
which he did, and on his way back home, he
went through a park called Jordan Pond Walking Trail, and
(06:12):
he apparently noticed an individual, someone in their twenties, who
was defacing or writing on the ground some but would
call graffiti crp graffiti Coolidge Street crips on the ground
(06:35):
of the Jordan Pond trail, and I guess the dad,
fifty six year old Kevin Dougherty confronted this individual, Stanil
Schrevestava twenty six and an argument broke out and at
eight forty five on the morning of August twenty sixth
(06:59):
August twenty eight he was shot to death. Apparently he
was shot. There were multiple rounds that were fired and
he was hit and died. Uh. He was carrying at
that point his son's scooter and his son's helmet. So
(07:21):
today police now have arrested h and upgrade, upgraded, I
should say, upgraded the charges of murder to this twenty
six year old Huh. Two seemingly unrelated cases, but the
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commonality is that the victims in both of these cases
were Massachusetts residents. One a student in Washington, d C.
Totally innocent, caught in some sort of a gang crossfire.
It would appear to be appear to me the people
(08:03):
who were the two people arrested today, Jalen Lucas and
Kelvin Thomas Junior, both seventeen years of age, their lives
are I would hope, are ruined forever, although because they
are seventeen, maybe they will be given a break. The
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twenty six year old who shot and killed the Shrewsbury
father five times in a fight over spray painting in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts,
on the morning of August twenty eighth. That was a
(08:44):
Thursday morning. He had just walked to six year old
son to school. The point that I want to make,
and I hope that you will respond to, is there's
an ongoing debate in this country about crime, and we
had the statistics show crime rate is up, crime rate
is down. This sort of indiscriminate murder cannot be tolerated
(09:12):
in any society, never mind our society. And I don't
know where you are on Donald Trump, where you are
on the Democrats who seem to being opposed to what
Donald Trump is attempting to do, and they may have
some legal arguments for you know that are that might
(09:33):
be effective. Frankly, there are enough federal judges around the country,
about seven hundred of them, that most of them seem
to weigh in on this. The point I want to
ask is this, is there anyone in this country and
if you are, I want to hear from you anyone
in this country, anyone within the sound of my voice
(09:57):
who are not concerned about crime. So anyone within the
sound of my voice who will tell me that they
never give it a thought, that crime is not a
factor that they're concerned about. I don't care where you live.
If you live in a crime ridden community in Washington,
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d c. Is a crime ridden community and you're living
down there and you're not concerned about it, I'd love
to know why. If you're living in Boston or anywhere,
and if you are concerned about it, what do we
need to do about it? Because there's just too much
indiscriminated killing. Any one of us could at some point
(10:43):
by this time tomorrow, well maybe not any one of us,
but a lot of us within the sound of my voice,
and this time tomorrow could die at the hands of
a criminal. You can always die. Also die in a
car accident, obviously, you can fall off a ladder. There's
a lot of ways you can die. But one of
the ways that I think all of us need to
(11:04):
be concerned about is crime. Too many people, too many
people find themselves widows or widowers, too many young children
find themselves without a mom or a dad, and it
is a very important issue in this country. I want
to talk about it. I hope you do as well.
(11:25):
Six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Slight the lines
up if you disagree with me. I think at least
President Trump is trying to address it now. He may
be addressing it in a way that's going to be
challenged and challenged successfully. But the Democrats, it seems to me,
(11:47):
the who we're hearing from the elected Democrats, they seem
to have no concern. There are other Democrats who are
speaking out, including the mayor of Washington, d C. Who
seems to be supportive of President Trump. We'll be back
on Night Side six one seven, two five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Let's
(12:10):
line him up. Be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
All right, we're gonna go to the phones. We're talking
about crime in America, and we're talking about it's indiscriminate.
You know, when when.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
There is a a murder, a crime or whatever that
clearly in involves people who are each involved in criminal activity.
You know you're sad, but you say, okay, well they
(12:47):
you know what they got involved in. They're they're they're
a member of a gang, and they were killed by
another member of a gang.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But in these two cases, this is a dad who
walked his son, his six year old son to school,
and this is a twenty one year old who went
to Washington become an intern in the office of a
member of Congress. This should not be happening. This should
not be happening. And I think that we need to
(13:17):
be outraged that it continues to happen. We go to
Jason in Walton. Hey, Jason, welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I'm good, Dan, how are you doing good.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I know that this is a topic that you're interested in,
that love to get your perspective.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm glad I
was listening to and I always listen, but thank you.
So once again, I'm gonna go back to my stance. Right,
government officials, the government, the president, elected officials. The screamed
that the one that provide a solution. They're putting people
on those positions to create the solution, but they don't
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have no credit, dulty. I think it's a third or
fifth time. According to this show, as moved to a
sheriff from two counties made with a a DS after
this day, that man has not followed up. So this
officials said, they want to help. You got people like
us who have the credibility, who walked that life, who's
able to turn around that life, and we're not giving
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They give to introduce you to the audience. If I could, okay,
and if I say something that's incorrect, please correct me.
Jason has called into this show a handful of times,
and he listens a lot, and he at one point
found himself on the wrong side of the law and
(14:34):
spent some time in the criminal justice system. Correct, yes, sir,
And we don't need to go into the specifics, but
he's pretty courageous and he mentions that, hey, he he
got his life straightened away. Made some mistakes. All of
us have made mistakes. Some of us have made mistakes
(14:56):
that have put us behind bars. And and Jason now
is hoping. I don't want you to mention who you
met with, Jason, but but I would like to have
you give me a call next week. So we can
talk privately about who you met with and if no
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one followed up, I want to know why. And I'm
still attempting to put you in contact with someone who
could utilize your experience and your talent. So I want
to hear what you think about these these two instances.
(15:38):
But I don't want you to hang up when you
finish and leave your number with Rob and I'll call
you next week, I promise. Okay, I just want to
drill down a little bit on this with you. Ah sure.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So I think the problem is these kids they don't
stay our way out out of the situation that they
don't see the opportunity out right, So I'm not excusing.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
What they do.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
The balance is violence that what they're doing is wrong, correct, right,
But the violence is coming towards our neighborhood, a set
neighborhoods from an inner city into our community. Because these
kids don't say a way out. They don't know, they
don't they lack their knowledge or way of life connecting
the dots. Those who don't say the opportunities out the thing.
The only way to get money is to sell dress
commit crimes. Right, people, they got kids, so they don't
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say way out because by the.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Way I think, I think Jason, most people would agree
with you that even though we have a lot of
programs that that that provide support to people, there are
people who who commit crimes and and get involved. And
maybe you were in the same situation where it looked
(16:49):
some in some ways a little easier to score some
money and improve your your your lifestyle without having to work,
you know, nine to five. You can make more money
doing stuff that's a little dangerous and also illegal. I'm
just trying to trying to agree with you. I hope
that that characterization is something you're comfortable with.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yes, I am comfortable with right. But I was able
enough to connect the dots, right, So these kids that
don't connect, they cannot connect their dests. Oh, this is
a two barre my apartment in Boston, or this is
twenty five hundred dollars. The only job that could get
is pay twenty dollars. They can afford that apartment to
move in. They want first lasting deposit. You're gonna make
three times a month to move in.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, So here's my question. So my question to you,
Jason is give me a solution that you think is realistic. Meaning, however,
many kids in Washington or in Boston can't afford, you know,
an apartment for twenty five hundred dollars. What's the answer
in your mind?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
They need a hand. They need somebody to hold their
hand and show them our way. Some of these programs
they have, they do their intake. Once they do an intake,
the what I do, point you in the different direction
in the housing. Go to Boston housing. You need this,
You need to go to here, go ahead. They don't
know how the process look like. They need mentorship. Somebody
Zoo's willing to dedicate their time maybe for free or
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consultation whatever, and hold their hands and show how to
connect those dots. I'm going to come in out of
jail who don't even know how to connect a bank account.
They're going to feel intimidate to even walk up in
the bank to open up a bank account. But if
they got somebody holding their hands, get your ID, get
PU your addresses, you know in the bank, open up
this account. You want to go to school. They got
peld grind Rocksbay Community College. You could go to school
(18:35):
for free right now, get an as social degree. You
are a stop bucks. You could get a four year degree.
I was on a state and change your life.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
By the way, Jason Bob, you have articulated it exactly,
I think correctly. And the reason that I was hoping
that you would be in contact with some of the
law enforcement officials is that the time to help people.
If you can't help them before they get into trouble,
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at least we should be able to help people who
are incarcerated and are going back into society. And someone
with your experience could perhaps mentor those people and say, hey,
don't you don't have to go back into more crime,
which is going to put you back here where you
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are in the future. So I think we're on the
same page. And that's why I want you to leave
your number with Rob, a daytime number that I can
reach you, and I'll call you next week.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Okay, then I might sell one more thing to find out. Please,
I want to give a chance to speak. This life
is not that complicated. If these individuals they get some help.
For example, I'm gonna use that company staff by as
barista's shift managed. They make twenty five hour On top
of that, you get a four year degree from Arizona State,
dedicate three as of your life. What will help you
(19:55):
build your credit? Show you how to get home on
a ship, get take a home, own a ship, claud
get a dumping messagetant on the program. You don't have
to live in the city of Boston. You could have
won an oscars weak still afford a three hundred thousand
dollars house. Maybe in wolves that get a two family
house in Land How to house hut.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, No, you're right, Jake, Jason. You just make you
make a lot of sense. I mean, everybody would love
to live in a condominium at the top of Beacon Hill,
but for the point you know, and so no, that's
why I think your experience, combined with what you are
(20:33):
willing to tell people, I really want to try to
work to help you get back in front of some
of those individuals who maybe didn't appreciate you as much
as they should have. So leave a number with Rob.
Rob will give me the number, making a daytime number,
and ACQUI next week, okay, and I want to find out.
I want you to refresh my recollection, tell me who
you spoke with and how you would treat it. And
(20:55):
let's find someone who you can interact with and make
make a difference in people's lives. Fair enough, fair you
don't hang up. Give you a number, daytime number, roub
daytime number. Take a quick break news at the bottom
of the hour. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
We next hour have the twentieth hour, and I'll tell
you exactly what we're going to do in advance. And
(21:17):
what we are going to do in the twentieth hour
is we're going to recognize that summer, even though summer
continues to September twenty first, Labor Day, is the unofficial
end of summer. And I want to find out if
there's things you had intended to do this summer that
you weren't able to accomplish and what you still hope
(21:41):
to be able to accomplish while we still have some
good weather. Back on Nightside right after this, for now,
I want to know how do we stop these indiscriminate,
insane confrontations which end up in the murder of people
who this this, this young man should still be alive tonight,
(22:06):
This fifty six year old father of three who had
simply walked his son to school. Coming back on Night's
Side six one seven, two five four ten thirty six
one seven nine, three, ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Back It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Back to the phones, let me go to Will down
in Long Island. Will welcome back your thoughts on uh,
this this this violence that just doesn't end. Is it
impossible to stop?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I listened to the last caller and all I could
think to myself to sum it up. And I know
this sounds terrible to some people, but that obviously never
stopped me. So they need that they need positive male
role models. We know that the bulk of the violent
crimes are committed by men, men that oftentimes do not
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have positive male role models, especially in the home, and
the male role models that they do have are out
being bad dads and teaching them how to be a
bad voice. Now, I am a sober person of seventeen years.
I did not have the best positive male role models.
I found myself in trouble many times as well. And
(23:24):
I've spoken at jails and rehabs and institutions and all
types of places with people that were destitute and would
look at me and say, oh, you know, what do
you know? Look at your watch, nice watch, nice shoes,
until I told them my story about where i'd been,
and that I know what it feels like to feel
exactly the way they feel. Right, Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That you're basically you're basically telling me the same thing
that Jason told me. Jason actually spent time incarcerated, and
I'm trying to get him in contact with some one
in law enforcement which would give him access to to
talk to some of these young men before they leave prison.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right And unfortunately, there are a lot of people in
these communities, you know, and it's not you know, any
particular community, but there are a lot of people in
government and politics, in life and show business and entertainment,
in the in the news that are making money off
exploiting these people being bad examples, being bad role models.
(24:33):
I mean, rap music is full of bad role models, period.
I don't care what anybody says. I listened to rap
music growing up, except my parents didn't let me listen
to it until I was about fourteen years old, when
I knew the difference between you know, metaphorically being a
gangster and actually being a gangster, because that three years old.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But Will, the bottom line is you're not going to
be able to say we're going to to stop people
from no.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
What I'm saying is that a perverse influence has entered
our nation years ago. Dan, let me ask you a question.
In nineteen sixty five, Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of
horrible stuff going on. People got murdered and stuff like that.
Right nineteen fifties, do you ever remember anybody shooting up
a school? Dan, definitely, not at the frequency that we've
seen anything like this. I don't remember that until I
(25:26):
saw Columbine. That was the first time I said, what
has happened through our country? This must be just some blip,
something that could never happen against And now we've learned
to live with it. It's become something that happens all
the time. From Sandy Hook to I think, I think
it's the.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
First one that And you're right, I mean, there's no
Sandy Hook was a mother who was unable to control
a child who was deeply sick, deeply sick.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
There's some disease in our society.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Again, I want to come back to you. You're talking
about the name in the sixties in the Texas Bell Tower,
I think at the University of Texas.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There was a guy who up there was shooting and
believe I'd have to refresh my recollection as to how
many people. And I think his name was Charles Something.
I'm going to find it here during the commercial break.
But that's the first one that I can remember that
predates that he abbreviates qualifying, which was in nineteen ninety nine.
(26:30):
That's thirty years before Columbine.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
But if you look at our society in general, it's
become socially acceptable. Not only has crime become socially acceptable, right,
Not only has it become socially acceptable, we have legislators
out there decriminalizing everything. You know, it's funny they start
to tell you, oh, crime statistics are going down. First off,
they're going down from all time highs. Let's start with that. Secondly,
(26:54):
when you decriminalize everything, of course, crime rates go down.
Here in New York, they want to take anything less
than eight hundred dollars. They don't even prosecute you for
it at this point anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's all throughout the country now.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I mean, so think about this. We're normalizing this, and
then crime, we know leads to crime. Escalations in crime,
and when you make excuses for people, well, you know
what they don't see a way out, and you know
it's okay to commit crimes. That's where the positive male
role model's coming. That's where your last caller could make
a difference. And a lot of men need to step up.
(27:28):
And we have to not be afraid of society telling
us that that's toxic masculinity. To teach your boys how
to be men. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Dair enough, fair enough, okay, by the way. The guy
to Texas the University of Texas Towers shooting August Firth
nineteen sixty six, University of Texas at Austin. The perpetrator
was the twenty five year old marine veteran Charles Whitman.
He killed fifteen people, including an onboard child, injured thirty
one others before he was killed by two Austin Police
(28:00):
have officers.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
So yeah, now we get one of those months. It
seems like now you know you're.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Right, you're right. Well, great historical perspective, and it gives
something to some people that maybe they're going to tell
us something that how we can I feel like.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
It will take generations. Then I feel like it will
take generations. Unfortunately, it will take one generation to stand
up to politicians like the mayor in Chicago, that's exploiting
his own people. It will say, what Dan, Right now,
the politician is Donald Trump, you know, going out on
a limb, being called a Nazi, being called the racist,
being called all these despicable things. When he lives out
there in mar A Lago. He don't live in these neighborhoods.
(28:39):
He doesn't have to deal with this. He doesn't have
to put himself out there and his legacy out there
to defend people that hate him.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
A lot of politicians who are criticizing them him, like
Mayor Brandon Johnson and the Governor Pritzker in Illinois. Have
them walk on the South side of Chicago some Friday
or Saturday night without the live uh, without.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
With seam waters. They live out in the neighborhoods where
where people don't have to be concerned about that, right,
and when they do go into the neighborhoods, that's surrounded
by armed guards. You're right, Dan, the hypocrisy knows no bounds.
All right, buddy, Thank you will talking, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Talk to you soon. Six one seven, five forward, ten
thirty six seven. Coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We go to Greg and Ontario. Greg, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Welcome, Yeah him, Good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right back at you, Greg. What's your take on this
and up in Canada.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Well, we got the same problems here in Canada. Your
your second caller, Will they're pretty much covered. Uh, you
know my outlook on all this. I've been following Donald
Trump on what he's been doing in Washington and I
fully support it one hundred percent. I kind of wish
somebody in this country would take that same approach because
(29:58):
in my lifetime here in this country, I'd never you know,
anything like it in Toronto, London, Windsor every day all
I'm hearing on the radio in the reports and murders
fourteen year old kids, sixteen, seventeen year old kids. We had.
We had a house invasion whilst week in Toronto and
three thugs killed a father in front of five year olds.
(30:21):
We had, we had another house invasion, we had a
four year old child girl get raped, you know. And
then we also it's on and on and and we
had a grandmother of sixty years old and Hamilton, she
(30:43):
was stabbed to death in a parking lot in broad
daylight by a fourteen year old who wanted two carjacker.
It just goes on.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And I thought that I thought that Canada was was
had not been infected by what you're dealing with. I
thought you had strict gun control gun laws up there.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Well, our gun control laws for law abiding citizens are
pretty strict, but for the criminal element of the count.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And also you're talking about teenagers. What is prompting teenagers
in gannet? I mean, and I'm not being sarcastic when
I say this, but I assume fourteen year old and
fifteen year old young men are working on their hockey skills.
And I'm not trying to be sarcastic when I say that.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
No, there's no law in order, there's no consequences. There's
a lot of judges in this country, liberal judges, and
what they what they're doing, it's a revolving door of criminals.
They get a lot of these people who are committing
these crimes. Then they've committed the same crime four or five,
(31:53):
six times, and they're in and they're out and days
later and they're doing it again. And we've had a
an immigrant explosion in his country under Justin trudeauver for
ten years, and I can tell you who's doing these crimes,
and it's the majority of them are done from individuals,
illegal immigrants and people coming from other parts of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Is what you know we talked out here about you know,
twenty million, you know people are in this country illegally.
What is the number? Canada has a much smaller population.
You have thirty million people up there. It's a it's
a fraction of the population of the United States. How
many illegal immigrants has Canada.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Absorbed, well, you know, it's hard to the numbers. You know,
people are saying well over a million into two million,
and you know, we can't get a straight answer. But
now there's forty million people in this country. And I like,
you know, as a Canadian who lived here, you know,
(32:59):
my whole life, obviously, I would never have thought what
I see going on in the streets that I grew
up in. It's not safe to walk in this country
anymore than it is anywhere else in the United States
that has a high crime in New York or Los Angeles.
That's what's going on. And of course our politicians they
(33:19):
just you know, they just want to kind of ignore it.
We had mayors and cities throughout this country. They just
watching it all happen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, look, Greg, very powerful phone call. We need to
hear more from you know, Canadian listeners. And I know
you've called before, but this was an eye opening phone
call for me. There's nothing that you said. If it
had been said about the United States, that would have
surprised me. But I did not realize that Canada had
(33:50):
degenerated as much as it has. To be really honest
with you, I'm stunned. I'm absolutely stunned. Okay, please keep
in contact and please be a more frequent caller.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Okay, okay, you have yourself. Good weeknd Okay you two?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thanks great, Rob. We're up to date on spots here right,
I don't know you a spot right? Okay? Good. Let
me go to Michael and West Roxbury. Michael next on
night side? Hey Dan, are you go to you on
a speakerphone? Would you mind getting off the speakerphone so
we can hear you clearly? No? O?
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Good?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Okay, Rob, do me favorite clean up his call? Please?
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
In the meantime, let me go to Gene and Average
and we're getting a little tight on time. Gotta be
quick for me, Jene, go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Okay. A couple of things I want to say is
parental training, because there are a lot of teenage, very
young mothers that's been hap spening for several years now.
And I think, just like the guy from Canada said,
a lot of these people are from other countries that
(35:10):
come here and they have children at a very young age.
They have no parental training at all. So that's where
it starts in the home. All of it starts in
the home. Dan, And you know the curfuse, remember uh
the old Do you know where your children are?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
People know where the children are, what they're doing, who
they're with.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, obviously a lot of people don't. I mean, I
don't think that any parent in the world, or in
the United States or in Canada is going to say, oh, yeah,
my kid's out. He's a gang banger and he's popping.
He's popping a couple of his opponents tonight. Yeah, well,
we hope you have him back in the house by
three am. He's got he's got a couple of jobs
he's got to do.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
No, I don't think Yeah, well, I mean obviously know
that where are these kids. I mean come on. The
parents are not bringing them up properly at all. They're
not paying any attention to it, and that's one of
the biggest problems. And the judges no consequences. That no consequence.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, all very very good points, none of which I'm
going to disagree with. But I got to get back
to a couple more quick calls here because I'm running
and we're going to change.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Topics, so I'll let you go. But the movies are horrible.
The music's terrible in the video games. Also all violence.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh, thank you very much, you appreciate it. Let me
go back to Michael. Michael, I hope you're off the
speakerphone if we can hear you.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Go right, how are you? Damn?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm doing great. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
I'm calling about those those first callers that you got.
Every one of them had something very good to say.
I agreed with all of them.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Well.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
I think they should lower the age to ten years
old and to give them life in prison male or female,
no pulloll, no free out of jail card, And just
that's the way it's going to be, because if they
don't want to try to learn, and if people are
teaching them, the wrong thing. Yeah, they should get put
in prison too.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, well, I think I would disagree with you. I
think that if they wanted, you know, in Massachusetts, the
trend is just the opposite. They're now saying that if
someone commits a murder in the first degree and it's
convicted of murdering the first degree and they're eighteen nineteen twenty,
they have a right to get a parole hearing in
fifteen years. So we're going in the wrong direction. I
(37:22):
think if you commit a murder in the first degree
at sixteen or seventeen, you should be looking at life
in prison without parole. I think we're going in the
absolutely wrong direction. I don't know that I would go
as low as ten years of age, because I don't
think there are that many kids who are doing that
sort of crime in ten years. But I understand the
point you're making.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
I like and I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, right right, Well, not necessarily, but I appreciate you calling.
I hope you call more frequently and more often and
always be available. Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
All right, let me get very quickly here, John and Boston,
John to try to get you in one more go ahead, John.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Dan Basically, Mayor Wu knows that Boston is short at
least a thousand police officers, and the governor knows that
they're resistant Donald Trump's attempts to bring the National Guard
and to try to help with the crime. They've been ported,
real serious criminals into this country, Dan into to Maschow's
their allowance. This day and I know, cops on in
(38:25):
Boston arrested a guy with an illegal gun, a young man.
The DA lets him out. The next day, they arrest
the same guy a week later, the DA lets the
guy off the next day back on the street. It's
the legal system. It's causing the problems. Let the criminals.
They're not serious about crime.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Dan. Well, the other thing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
The other thing too, John, John, the other part of
that formula that you're talking that you're talking about is
that we elect people to these offices, whether it's the
mayor's office or the district attorney's office or whatever. Uh.
And you get what you elect, I mean, President Obamas
(39:05):
that elections have consequences. We elected Rachel Rollins as the
DA in Boston, and she ran on the platform of
increasing the number of crimes for which there should be
no penalty. You know, shopliftings could shoplift up to one
thousand dollars. So, I mean, that's what people are electing
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
They're electing crime. Then they're they're they're not politics is
not serious about.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, they're they're electing politicians who who are not serious
about crime. Yeah, they're not electing crime. It's the maybe
they they're doing it indirectly, but they're electing politicians who
talk about making it easier for criminals to avoid an
evade prosecution.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Exactly, and they're doing nothing. It's I mean, they're lecturing
us on getting vaccines. They're importing people who have measles
into Logan Airport in terminal League.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's a different that's a different that's a different story.
But Hey, John, I wish you called earlier, but I'm
flat out of time. I'm coming up on the eleven
o'clock news and i gotta let you run. Thanks, thanks
for the call, it was a good one. Thanks for
the conversation. Next hour, I want to go, we go
twentieth hour, we go a little lighter, and what we're
going to talk about is is there something that you
(40:18):
had planned to do this summer or you wanted to
do this summer. You haven't got around to, but you're
going to get around to it. Between now and let's
say Columbus Day, feel free to join the conversation. I'm
always looking to find a topic that people will enjoy
having a conversation about. That's what we do in the
twentieth Hour. We take the serious stuff and put it aside,
(40:39):
coming back on Night's side.
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