October 14, 2025 • 40 mins
The ongoing government shutdown hits day 14 as the U.S. Senate plans their 8th vote to reopen the government. While it appears there’s no resolution in sight, do you have hope that the shutdown will soon end? Has the shutdown disrupted any part of life for you? How so? We discussed the latest congressional efforts made towards ending the shutdown.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
Lee Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, we're going to continue to talk about the
federal government shutdown. There's also some developments in the Middle
East that we might get to as well. But I'd
like to stick with the federal government shutdown. Weird, where
do we head? Where do we go? I mean, you know,
it's we're entering week number three, which it's fifth day,
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fifteen tomorrow. I think that's quite a bit of time,
and there will be more and more pressure on both
parties to end it. The the shutdown could continue, or
I should say the shutdown could end if I think
it's seven Democratic senators voted for it to end. But
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the Democratic leadership, particularly Chuck Schumer, saying no, we want
agreements before we agree to go to negotiate, and we
want to make sure that expiring tax credits on health
insurance are extended. That helps millions of Americans, but it
also helps insurance companies. They want to reverse any cuts
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that Trump has proposed to Medicaid in the Big Beautiful
so called Big Beautiful bill. Uh And they also oppose
cuts to certain government agencies, et cetera. So basically, they're
trying to use the leverage of the you want to talk.
We're willing to talk, but we'll only talk if you
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agree at this point to say those items that we
want will will not be negotiable. I don't see the
Republicans agreeing to that, and I don't see the Democrats
shifting away from that. Six seven, two, five four to
ten thirty six. Whatever your point, we can have a conversation.
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I feel badly that Matt felt that we weren't having
a conversation. I thought that's what we were doing, but
he kind of got frustrated at the end. And Matt again,
don't feel free to call any other time. We can't
call back tonight, obviously, but you had five and a
half minutes, which was more than some of the other
callers had. But feel free. Well, let's go next to
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Joel and Nata K. Joel, welcome back to Night Side.
How are you sir?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Go and find Dan? How are you going?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm doing okay. I'm just trying to get different people's
points of view clarified and see if we can if
we can help move this process along.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Okay, I have a long shot for you, Dan, Sure, Yeah,
thirty six Democratic sentence up for reelection in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That sounds like a big number. And there and the
reason I say that, Joel, I don't mean to challenge
you on the number, but every the every two years,
a third of the Senate is up for re election.
So in a Senate that is balanced pretty pretty much,
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you know, fifty three forty seven right now, I can
look up real quickly which who's up for reelection in
twenty twenty six. I don't think it's would be conceivable
to be that number, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You, I google that really huh yeah, thirty six. So
the situation of this, those senators and those thirty six
and those thirty six editors are up for re election
their constituents and say, look, you want to get re elected,
vote for the bill. If you don't vote for the bill,
we're going to do our friends not to get you reelected.
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We'll vote for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, let me go through. I'm going through the group here. Okay,
here's I have the numbers in front of me, all right, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen Democrats are up for re election in twenty twenty six, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
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twenty twenty. Republicans are up up for reelection. So there's
actually more Republicans up for reelection than there are Democrats.
And I have the list in front of me here,
so I didn't doubt you. But that's reality.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay. So I'm telling you that the constituents should say, look,
you want to get reelected, pass that bill. If you
don't want to get relected, we're going to have our
friends hold for somebody else you don't get reelected.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, I understand, I understand. But again, the you know,
for example, some of the senators who are for reelection
have already said they're not going to run for reelection,
So Jean Shaheen in New Hampshire, that's going to be
an open seat. There are there are Ed Markey of course,
is running for re election. I think Dick Durbin has
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also said he's not going to run for reelection. So
I think those are two Democratic open seats. Tom Tillis,
who's a Republican down in ten in North Carolina. I
believe it said he's not going to run for reelection.
Mitch McConnell, I know, is not running for reelection. So
amongst both of these groups is there's at least a
couple which become open seats. But as they say, it's
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fairly balanced, you know. So, I guess Republicans could do
that to their senators as well. They could say, hey,
concede to the Democrats what they want here. They could
they could do that as well. The problem is that
I don't know that this is going to continue all
the way till to the election next November. I mean,
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this may go a few more weeks and at that
point people will really be starting to feel some pain
as we get towards Thanksgiving and then on into the
holiday season, as you know. So, who do you think
has the better part of the argument at this point, Joel?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think the Republicans do, because why would they want
to increase spending when the bill is supposed to be
just status quo. So the last time they voted on it, well.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
The continuing resolution would would keep it as status quo. Okay,
but they could in the in the negotiations when the
negotiations resume, if if this continuing resolution were to pass,
obviously there could be they could be changes made. So
it's complicated. Most Americans don't understand it as well as
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you do, and that's part of the problem as well.
They they're they're making decisions. The American people are making
decisions upon their impressions, which is why I'm trying to
talk about it a little bit in the weeds, which
is always dangerous for you to do on the talk show. Joel,
I appreciate, appreciate your input tonight, though, I really do,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's okay, Dan, I'm a good one.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You too, Pardoner, talk to you soon. We'll take a break.
I got one line at six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty that Joel just got off, and
I have two lines at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. They'll get you on just as quickly.
Six one, seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'd love
to talk about this for the balance of the night.
I think it's really important. I think that if you listen,
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you'll learn and perhaps I'll learn something from you. Whatever
you feel are the critical issues here. This is again,
it's it's it's it's a difficult subject. To talk about,
and emotions run kind of high because I don't want
to see people lose their jobs unnecessarily. Well, one of
the things I would like to see would be programs
privatized so that they're out of the federal system and
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that they then are private employees working doing the same thing.
And doesn't mean that everything the government currently does can
only be done by a government agency. It should be
it could be done also by private agencies. As we
found out with the post Office. Now you know the
post office, steamps are going to go up a little bit,
and they have that's one of the reasons, you know,
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when you take the post Office out of the government,
the private post office has to at least not lose money,
maybe make a little profit as well. Back on Nightside,
right after.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Steve up and Lyn. Steve, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Go right ahead, Steve, mister Ray, my name is Steve.
They come to Steve the paint. I haven't called you
in a long time, so let's make it quick. I
won't waste time. I'm not I really don't care about
the government because in half of them are corrupt anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
But I just want to talk.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
About Hamas and they're not bringing out the bomb the dead.
What they said they were going to do the dead hostage?
Did they to watch it to death?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then they brought they brought out Steve that they
brought out some I believe today they go ahead, Steve,
I'll listen to if you want to talk. I was
just going to try to explain to you that today
there was a little bit of progress. That yesterday there
were four the remains of four hostages who died in
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captivity or who were killed in captivity or returned, and
today an additional four it is believed that they had
that there are twenty eight hostages whose remains were in
possession at some point of AMAS.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So that's how many I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupted,
go ahead, how many? How many? How many host did
did they take? And uh, I'll talk when they attacked
in the beginning, yet.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It is around two hundred and over time.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
How many I'm sorry, and how many murderers and killers
and evil psychopaths we gave back?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Uh? Well, we did get back to the state of Israel,
the nation of Israel.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry two thousand, two thousand. Well, I
only would have gave back the twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
That was a lie. Whatever, But that's besides the point.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Hamas is not going to give up their arms, and
that photo op the other night was just a joke,
and those countries aren't going to do anything to stop
Hamas because most of those countries are all in cahoots
with Maha Hamas. Anyway, well, there's a.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Couple of developments. There's a couple of developments today that
are interesting. It has been reported, uh tonight by CNN
that Hamas has been execut several members of another group
that was in that was in Hamas. So now you
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have this bloedbath going on where Hamas they've had a
whole bunch of I guess about eight of these individuals
from a group that at one point was allied with Hamas,
but now they have they're going in their different ways.
So they executed publicly, which has caused a great deal
of consternation. President Trump was asked about Hamas disarming this afternoon,
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and he had a fairly direct statement, I'd like to
play it for you. I know that we're kind of
going away from what we talked about earlier.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We can always go back a lot of your time.
I'm sorry to interest.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're not at all. You're not taking out of my time.
I want you to respond. This is the President today.
He was asked at the White House about the commitment
of Hamas to disarm. I want to get your reaction
to it, because you raised the point, and I'll be
interested in what you have to say. Hold on, just
listen to this. It's forty two seconds long. Cut number sixty.
Please rob.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We have.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Told them we want disarmed, and they will disarmed. And
if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. And it
will happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.
You understand me, because you always evere says, oh, well,
they won't disarm, they will disarm. And I spoke to
Hamas and I said, you're gonna disarm, right, Yes, sir,
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We're gonna disarm. That's what they tell me. They will
disarm or we will disarm them. Got it, Okay, you
said quickly, But what is the deadline you're gonna put on?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Reasonable?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Pretty quickly? A reasonable.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You'll react by the way of the president, either misspoke
or intentionally misspoke. Uh, he did not speak directly to
Hamas the representatives of the White House to speak directly.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It doesn't really matter because they're not gonna just You're
gonna have to go in there and kill them all,
all of them, every single one of them. They're never
going to lay down their arms or all of their weapons,
never in a million years, mock my words.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happened, Steve.
I know you kind of took us off course a
little bit, but that's fine.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I'm sorry. You mentioned the Middle East and I was
just talking about and but they're never gonna stop. No,
they're gonna have to go in there and wipe them
right off the map.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, I think Israel prepared, is prepared to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
That's what I hope they do.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I know they're going to have to do it because
the mouse is never going to lay down their arms
and they're never going to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And it's great. It was great to get it was
great to get.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
The list right. But I understand that that was wonderful.
It was awesome, and I'm so happy. My god, I
was jumping up and down. Oh jeez, I have a
Jewish neighbor downstairs. He's a wonderful, wonderful person, and they're
not going to give anybody anything. They're going to just
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kill as many people as they can, innocent people, Palestinians,
everybody that gets in their way.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
All right, Steve, I appreciate you, appreciate your point of view,
appreciate your calling.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Thank you, sir, Thank you, mister Rae.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Have a great now you call me Dan, No problem, Steve,
Thank you, next much. Let's keep rolling. You're going to
go to a Xavier in Dorchester. Xavier. Welcome to nightside.
How are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (14:36):
I'm doing well, indeed, thank you taking my call.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You're welcome, Thank you for calling. Go right ahead. What's
you We kind of opened up a second front here
so you can talk about whichever you'd prefer.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Go right, go right ahead, well the previous sprint record.
Everyone say a couple of points.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure one.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I think I think we should stop calling the people
with the individuals. We have families to feed and kids
in college, and bills to pay, housing or mortgage, rent
or mortgage. Thirdle employees. They are they are American neighbors
who now don't have jobs. And because they don't have jobs.
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It's going to affect every neighborhood that we live in.
It's called exonomical down a vot, I guess vot A
coaster we had too. I think we should not privatize
services that people pay for Social Security the one medicate myself.
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Two because once you're once you wants to go privatize.
That means for a business, and who owns the business?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Is it an LLC? Is there a propriety or not
one person so you own? Or is there a corporation
or or or is the consilium? That means either way,
it means we must make them any Why why because
those services we're going to charge them for it. So
I want to say so, so want to go on back. One,
let's start a label. If people got who got laid
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off by the government as their employees, they are individuals
who live in our neighborhoods across the states.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Xavier, I'm following you.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
The point that I made was that there are people
in private companies, private businesses who get laid off all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Uh Man.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Federal employees are not guaranteed life employment, lifelong employment.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I never said that, and I never said that.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I'm not suggesting stop stop stop suffing.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
I never opened by state by trying to find and
defend what your thoughts or I said we should started labeling.
So that's what gives our thoughts, right, gives the thoughts
behind our opinions. And keep in mind which went d
e I when we had white women who are now
going to ther top so now like not but the
men women. Okay, the honesty I mean first, so we
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went in home era where my mother came.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Okay, Xavier, please kill that Rob Xavier.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
No problem. Sorry, I'm going to do every day and
day I'm gonna do every day. So I'm sorry, I can.
I can'd of get to point out.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
No. But what I want you to do, Xavier is
calm down for a second. Okay, we'll have a conversation.
Uh and uh. We we are regulated by the FCC,
so bear that.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yes we are.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So all I'm saying is you can call people anything.
You can call them fellow Americans, you can call them friends,
you can call them neighbors. This isn't That's fine, no problem.
The question that I was addressing earlier was that the
post office used to be run by the federal government.
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It is now a private company. Okay, it's competing against
FedEx and all of that, and it seems to be
doing pretty well. I have not liked the fact that
stamps now cost seventy five cents a piece or whatever
the heck. Every time you go they seem to go up.
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But a lot of people now are not sending letters
with stamps on them, and that's sort of I'd prefer
to have a private company run the post office then
have the government run it, because the government tends to
lose money. We got this big old federal debt. As
a mention, I'll tell you when i'm finishing out. Okay,
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So what I'm saying is we have this federal debt
of about thirty eight trillion dollars. At some point, someone's
going to have to pay for that. I don't know
how we pay for that when our GDP is about
twenty eight trillion dollars a year. And that's the dilemma
we find ourselves in the conundrum whatever you want to
call it. It's a problem with gonna have to deal with.
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I don't know how you deal with it, and I'm
looking for answers.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Go right ahead, Well, let me ask you a question. One,
we can't justify wrong the terms of fire. Why we
need to cut cut, finish this off the people who
needed And now one, let's see what you said the
postal office. I just say I went back out by saying,
when we go, when we go private, like jail houses
pain its frequency, we need to make money. We I
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don't care how we make money. I own it by myself,
priority I knew, I knew no name. I owned by myself,
so owner. Well I got coll sodium or we're LLC.
But what uh boomb linds that boomb line make money.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
By the way, I don't think that prisons.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me let me.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Just before before sa let me just make one simple point.
I don't want. I don't think we should be privatizing prisons.
I think post office is very different from prisons. But
go ahead and make your points.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Well, yeah, so, thank you very much. So now we
are saying we need to get bigger profit, and like
we I think private means who owns it and for
it's for profit. It's called capitalism, as you already know that.
And the reason why people spend most people got into
thorough because of you know, back it was called back
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then Jim Crow for some if you're white, you're okay. Women,
you said that we got right. It's called supuch movement.
You will fight your right to vote like they are.
But because you're okay in such movie. And I keep
in mind, America right now is going through what's called
Oh my god, I get to let my mind. King
John h here. Anyway, we cannot privatize such as I
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paid for it. I do use a stamp and I
didn't notice they was privatized. So thanks for I learned
something new today. Amen, Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, stuff do every day. Hey, I'm in my I'm
into my my newscast at the bottom of the hour.
So I don't think you've called me before. If this
is your first time caller, we'd like to give you
a round of applause.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Okay, we'll look forward, look forward to you.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I love, not respect you and your share at least
for many many years. You know there are some buyers there,
but that's who we are. But overall we try to
maintain neutral and you do as well. So thank you
very much for the time. It is here in my opinion,
come on.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Back, come on back again. Okay, thanks Davie. I appreciate
it very much. Enjoy the conversation. We'll take a break.
Here's the news. I got some wide open lines here
six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. We're talking about the federal
government shutdown. Okay, Uh, it's gonna have real impact. It's
having real impact on people. How do we balance the
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impact on people with the the looming federal debt. I
think that it's going to have to be done at
one step of time. It's not going to get solved tomorrow,
but it has to go in some direction. And the
Democrats are going to have to come up with some
economies I think, or they're going to get turned out
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of office. It's as simple as that, because this debt
will be paid by young people. And if there are
young people out there, people in the twenties thirties who
are listed. This involves you back on Nightside right after
the break.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
By the way, not to open that conversation up, but
I don't see Donald Trump. He was asked a question
at the White House send and I think at least
Channel five led with the story at six tonight, which
I thought was interesting. I mean, maybe it was a
slow news day, but I don't see him taking away
World Cup soccer matches from his pal Bob Kraft. I
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just don't see that. Uh. I get some lines six one, seven,
four on seven.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The Steve from Linn brought up the question about what
will we do if Hamas does not disarmed? But I
let's see what Carol wants to talk about. Carol's in Randolph. Hi, Carol,
welcome next to Night Side Dan.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
I was thinking the same thing. I don't think Trump
is gonna go a gret against fo.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Things he con he loves to troll everybody.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
But oh my god, I mean something's gonna change though,
I mean, oh my god, it's yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
To throwout, Oh my I am so embarrassed for growing
up in Boston and seeing this. Idiots like you brought
it on a couple of nights ago, with the spinouts
and the stealth end and everything.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Oh yeah, that the people who do the meetups, the meetups, yep, yeah,
And now all of a sudden we're national news and
it's like, oh, Boston is out of control.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
No, we are not out of control. These are idiots
that don't even live here, and well.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
A lot of them do. The two that they arrested,
and at the car meetup in the South End, they
were two kids, nineteen and eighteen. I shouldn't say kids,
they were they were two young men from from Rhode Island.
You're right, But all those people that got arrested at
the demonstration in Boston over the weekend, they they were
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all from Boston, Summerville. All sixteen or seventeen of them
were from from from Boston Proper, org or or or
a suburb of Boston were they were. They were out
there looking for a fight with the police. I'm talking
about the the not the car meetup was in the
South End and had been in Brockton earlier that night.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
And West Rochester is my town in Randolph, Randolph too, right, yeah, right,
But if please don't make this a national thing, this
is stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well I think that they have allowed this to go
on here in Massachusetts. And if these are these are kids, teenagers,
and it's like they they're they're doing stuff which is
dangerous for themselves dangerous for other people. I can remember
a year ago they did this on a Newbury Street
one night at like one They always do it at
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one two o'clock in the morning on a weekend, and
I was happy to see the governor finally say something.
But you know, this has been going on for a while, Son.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
National News and now say, okay, we're gonna pull BEIFA
out of it's stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, I think that. I think the visuals of a
police car in the South End burning is a pretty
powerful picture and that's what the media and the national
media launch launched onto. Okay, that that's rud Yeah, I mean,
I agree with you. I'm just trying to explain how
it happened.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Yeah, but that's got us. That's not Boston.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It was it was that section. Well, no, let me Carol,
it was Boston. It was Boston that particular night at
the intersection of Tremont and Mass Avenue. And that's part
of this. That's a very important part of the South End.
Mass and Cass has been an embarrassment for years. For
some reason, the politicians can't solve Mass and Cass.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
You know that, right, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So we have some problems and that demonstration the other
day over the weekend, those people were coming ready to
rumble and the police we're gonna have none of it.
And there's a couple of judges that they that they
were confronted by in court late last week who were
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not messing around a Stanton and Trestler.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So that's what these kids, you bring them in they
do something stupid to give them a slap on the
wrist that they don't pay a price. They do something
stupid again, that's all.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
Oh, I mean, what was their bail? Like five hundred
bucks a thousand bucks? And they weren't even kids from Boston, they.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Were You're right, right. I couldn't agree with you more.
I do not know who the judge was that that
gave them that bail, but that was like it's you know,
for spitting on the sidewalk or something, or a barking ticket.
Hit them with something that as they say, I think
what they should do is if you're involved in one
of these car meetups and you're arrested by police, they
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should have the ability to pass a piece of legislation
at the state House which says we can confiscate your
let's say that on the radio.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
You know, I mean, I know, but it is stupid.
This doesn't happen in Boston.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, it did happen. I'm not trying to fight with
your Carroll. I'm trying to just tell you that when
something like that happens in Boston and it's a police
car burning in the middle of the South End, that
becomes a picture. If there have been no police car burning,
it never would have been on the national news.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's allay, all right, I'll let you run. I feel
your exasperation. Thanks, Carol, Oh my god, all right, thank you,
thank you. Let me go to Dallas in Ohio. Dallas
in Ohio, thank you for calling in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Welcome true Dan, Hello Dan, and hello Boston.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Hello. Nice to hear your voice, my friend. Believe me,
I to hear your voice.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I've been listening a lot. I was wondering about this
government shutdown. It got started forty four years ago, nineteen
eighty one, under the Reagan administration. And you know, I
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remember when I was in high school. I was going
back that far in high school and my Problems of
Democracy class, we never ever heard such saying, as you know,
government shut down, you know, wasn't a big deal, but
now really since the Reagan is Reagan's administration, it seems
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to be pretty pretty serious. But to be honest with you,
I really think that both parties are to get it
together and realize, hey, you know, there's going to be
some elections coming up in the future, and this shutdown
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is affecting a lot of people. And I think that
there ought to be a movement. Hey, if everyday American
can't get paid, I think the politicians don't get paid.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, that could be as well. You know, it's interesting
just looking at the shutdowns that have that have occurred.
The first one was actually Jimmy Carter. It was brief,
It was only one day, and I guess the Federal
Trade Commission was the only one that was that was
affected by it. The first one under Ronald Reagan was
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much more expensive. It lasted a little longer, well just
about one day, but it costs like eighty to ninety
million dollars. There were two hundred and forty one thousand
employees furloughed. And then another one with with Reagan in
eighty four, in eighty six, and then George Bush in
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ninety so he had a bunch of Republican shutdowns. And
then Bill Clinton came along and he had shutdowns. In
ninety five ninety six, Barack Obama had sixteen a shutdown
of sixteen days, one one shutdown. And then Donald Trump
had a bunch of shutdowns. The longest one he had
was thirty five days. So it's it's it's a consequence
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of divided government that we have right now. To be
honest with you, I mean, it's got to be frustrating
for people who don't even understand it. If the Republicans
could get a few Democratic votes, they could they could
break the shutdown. But they can't. They can get two
or three votes, and it's it's a huge waste of time,
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and it's a waste of money. And you know, I
think the Democrats will blame the Republicans, and the Republicans
would blame the Democrats.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
And and.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I keep looking at this federal debt that we have,
all of us thirty eight trillion dollars. Who's going to
pay for that?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, well, got to be paid eventually, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But it won't be you and me. It'll be our
kids and our grandkids, right right, and our kids and
grandkids don't even understand that, And how will it get paid?
I mean, they'll devalue the dollars. I mean this, there's
some consequences there. There are actually consequences and a lot
of that. Those those bonds are owned by China. And
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if they call the bonds, it's you know, it's it's
it's it's not just theoretical.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah that's true, but I don't know, it's the you know,
I'm I'm looking at everybody walking across the fabulous carpet
down there with the fancy furniture, yeah, out there on
the floor, and I'm thinking, said, you've got you know,
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your your your income is guaranteed, you know what I mean?
You know, and you guys can't even make a decision,
can't come to a conclusion and wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well. The other the other thing to Dallas is that
that most senators and congressmen, once they were elected, they
just get re elected forever. Now. You know, I know
you had a senator last year, a rare Senator, Sharon Brown,
who was turned out of office, you know, how right?
But how does it happen often?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
And so they get comfortable, they do very much, very
much so and they end up at the end of
the career, they're all end up their millionaires.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Funny how that works out.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Very funny, very funny that we can't get.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
A bill pass which says, if you're going to be
in Congress, you you should not be able to be
involved in the stock market because you have access to
the infusion. The average person doesn't.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Have inside insider trading inside. Yeah, yeah, the same. It's
a dog on sane.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
So I hope they I hope they can wrap it
up soon.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And you know, do me a favor, just keep in contact,
keep listening. We'll try to We'll try to give you
as as straight information as we can. I don't feel
like I have a dog in the fight, except the
big dog is that is the debt is the debt.
You know, we have a we have a thirty eight
trillion dollar debt which is compounding interest growing day, you
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know every day. Uh, And our GDP is about twenty
eight trillion dollars. And in the old days, whenever you know,
one of these countries in Central America or South America,
they're debt exceeded their GDP. We figured that country was gone.
But for some reason, our politicians are willing to keep
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keep piling it up. I don't know. I wish I
had an answer. I'm smart enough to know I don't
know what I don't know. Yeah, wow, Dallas, great talking
with is always. Thanks so much for being out there
in Ohio and listening. And thank you my friend. We'll
talk again.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay, Okay, Dan, you good, very much.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Appreciate it. Okay, I got a couple more lines for you, folks.
Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six, one
seven ninety. We've we've kept the final hour a little loose.
You want to talk about the government shutdown from whatever perspective,
You're welcome. I want to talk about the what's going
on in the Middle East. Tomas is not showing many signs,
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any signs of laying down its weapons. The only thing
they did are executing some opponents there. So the Middle
East is is lot's been accomplished. Just getting the live
hostages home, and there were four more deceased hostages who
returned home and that's important to their fans as well.
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There were twenty to seize hostages who have not been
returned home, and there's other things that have to happen here.
It's a great start. They got to keep the momentum going.
We'll be back on Nightside. We can talk about that,
we can talk about what President Trump said that either
hamas will disarm or they will be disarmed. We'll be
back right after this.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Let's wrap it up here. Let me go to Lola
all the way across country in San Diego. Hey, Lola,
welcome back.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
How are you, my Dan?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
What are they What are they talking about out there
in San Diego regarding the government shutdown?
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Well, I don't know, because I don't talk to too
many people anymore because they bite your head off if
you're not on their side. And I don't even know
what side they're on, so I just stay away from them.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Fair enough.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
Part of the problem is there's people out of work,
so they're not paying taxes now, they're on food stamps,
they're on housing there. You know, you go to the
doctors and if you have no money then you know
the indigen it gets paid through the government. Yes, there's
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there's so many people out of work now. After you
collect unemployment and there's no more collecting, they don't count you.
So you can go look at the latest unemployments down.
It's down because nobody's collecting anymore, but there's still out
of work.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Yeah, so there's a big.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Merry go around here with you know, who do you
think and who do you think's hiring all these immigrants
that are working for less than minimum wage? Who's doing that?
Poor people?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (37:54):
No, poor people are rich people. It's the rich people
go to hire legal or illegal people because they work
for less money, no question.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, so this is this is part of the big problem.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
If you know, we're going to twenty five dollars an
hour minimum wage in San Diego, especially in the hotel industry.
You know the people that clean the rooms and all
that jazz, right, Well, most of the people that are
working those jobs are immigrants.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Okay, now some of them.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
Are course are illegal, but they're working. They're making the
wheels go round. I went to so, so what is so?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Lola? Lola? Because we're getting tied on time here only
about a minute a minute left. Where does that take you?
You're describing a situation which is interesting from your perspective.
Where does that take you on either of the issues
we're well, the issue we're talking about the federal the
federal governments shut down.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Yeah, so the government's paying out more and unemployment more
in food stamp, the biting off their nose to spite
their face. They created this problem.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, I think they all did. I think Democrats did.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
And how dare they tell the military they're not getting paid? Like,
you know, they're the ones that shouldn't be getting paid.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I agree with done that.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
You know they they have more money than life. Okay,
they don't need any money. All those senators and Congress.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, you can take the money away from them, but
they you'll need money for the that doesn't make up
enough money for the military.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Term limits stand.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm with you, I'm with you. But guess what, Well,
we're running out of time. So I'm flat out of time.
And I thank you as always, appreciate your call, appreciate
all the callers. Tonight, I'm going to take a break.
Uh there will be no postgame tonight. Uh so we'll
see tomorrow at eight o'clock. And there's always all dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's my pale
Charlie Rayes, who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's
(40:04):
why your pets passed that they love you and you
love them. I do believe you see them again, Rob Brooks,
thank you very much, Maria, Thank you very much. To
the callers who did call, thank you very much again.
I'll see you tomorrow at eight o five. There will
be no postgame tonight.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
Lee Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, we're going to continue to talk about the
federal government shutdown. There's also some developments in the Middle
East that we might get to as well. But I'd
like to stick with the federal government shutdown. Weird, where
do we head? Where do we go? I mean, you know,
it's we're entering week number three, which it's fifth day,
(00:32):
fifteen tomorrow. I think that's quite a bit of time,
and there will be more and more pressure on both
parties to end it. The the shutdown could continue, or
I should say the shutdown could end if I think
it's seven Democratic senators voted for it to end. But
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the Democratic leadership, particularly Chuck Schumer, saying no, we want
agreements before we agree to go to negotiate, and we
want to make sure that expiring tax credits on health
insurance are extended. That helps millions of Americans, but it
also helps insurance companies. They want to reverse any cuts
(01:15):
that Trump has proposed to Medicaid in the Big Beautiful
so called Big Beautiful bill. Uh And they also oppose
cuts to certain government agencies, et cetera. So basically, they're
trying to use the leverage of the you want to talk.
We're willing to talk, but we'll only talk if you
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agree at this point to say those items that we
want will will not be negotiable. I don't see the
Republicans agreeing to that, and I don't see the Democrats
shifting away from that. Six seven, two, five four to
ten thirty six. Whatever your point, we can have a conversation.
(02:01):
I feel badly that Matt felt that we weren't having
a conversation. I thought that's what we were doing, but
he kind of got frustrated at the end. And Matt again,
don't feel free to call any other time. We can't
call back tonight, obviously, but you had five and a
half minutes, which was more than some of the other
callers had. But feel free. Well, let's go next to
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Joel and Nata K. Joel, welcome back to Night Side.
How are you sir?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Go and find Dan? How are you going?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm doing okay. I'm just trying to get different people's
points of view clarified and see if we can if
we can help move this process along.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Okay, I have a long shot for you, Dan, Sure, Yeah,
thirty six Democratic sentence up for reelection in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That sounds like a big number. And there and the
reason I say that, Joel, I don't mean to challenge
you on the number, but every the every two years,
a third of the Senate is up for re election.
So in a Senate that is balanced pretty pretty much,
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you know, fifty three forty seven right now, I can
look up real quickly which who's up for reelection in
twenty twenty six. I don't think it's would be conceivable
to be that number, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You, I google that really huh yeah, thirty six. So
the situation of this, those senators and those thirty six
and those thirty six editors are up for re election
their constituents and say, look, you want to get re elected,
vote for the bill. If you don't vote for the bill,
we're going to do our friends not to get you reelected.
(03:48):
We'll vote for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, let me go through. I'm going through the group here. Okay,
here's I have the numbers in front of me, all right, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen Democrats are up for re election in twenty twenty six, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
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twenty twenty. Republicans are up up for reelection. So there's
actually more Republicans up for reelection than there are Democrats.
And I have the list in front of me here,
so I didn't doubt you. But that's reality.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay. So I'm telling you that the constituents should say, look,
you want to get reelected, pass that bill. If you
don't want to get relected, we're going to have our
friends hold for somebody else you don't get reelected.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, I understand, I understand. But again, the you know,
for example, some of the senators who are for reelection
have already said they're not going to run for reelection,
So Jean Shaheen in New Hampshire, that's going to be
an open seat. There are there are Ed Markey of course,
is running for re election. I think Dick Durbin has
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also said he's not going to run for reelection. So
I think those are two Democratic open seats. Tom Tillis,
who's a Republican down in ten in North Carolina. I
believe it said he's not going to run for reelection.
Mitch McConnell, I know, is not running for reelection. So
amongst both of these groups is there's at least a
couple which become open seats. But as they say, it's
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fairly balanced, you know. So, I guess Republicans could do
that to their senators as well. They could say, hey,
concede to the Democrats what they want here. They could
they could do that as well. The problem is that
I don't know that this is going to continue all
the way till to the election next November. I mean,
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this may go a few more weeks and at that
point people will really be starting to feel some pain
as we get towards Thanksgiving and then on into the
holiday season, as you know. So, who do you think
has the better part of the argument at this point, Joel?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think the Republicans do, because why would they want
to increase spending when the bill is supposed to be
just status quo. So the last time they voted on it, well.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
The continuing resolution would would keep it as status quo. Okay,
but they could in the in the negotiations when the
negotiations resume, if if this continuing resolution were to pass,
obviously there could be they could be changes made. So
it's complicated. Most Americans don't understand it as well as
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you do, and that's part of the problem as well.
They they're they're making decisions. The American people are making
decisions upon their impressions, which is why I'm trying to
talk about it a little bit in the weeds, which
is always dangerous for you to do on the talk show. Joel,
I appreciate, appreciate your input tonight, though, I really do,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's okay, Dan, I'm a good one.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You too, Pardoner, talk to you soon. We'll take a break.
I got one line at six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty that Joel just got off, and
I have two lines at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. They'll get you on just as quickly.
Six one, seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'd love
to talk about this for the balance of the night.
I think it's really important. I think that if you listen,
(07:32):
you'll learn and perhaps I'll learn something from you. Whatever
you feel are the critical issues here. This is again,
it's it's it's it's a difficult subject. To talk about,
and emotions run kind of high because I don't want
to see people lose their jobs unnecessarily. Well, one of
the things I would like to see would be programs
privatized so that they're out of the federal system and
(07:55):
that they then are private employees working doing the same thing.
And doesn't mean that everything the government currently does can
only be done by a government agency. It should be
it could be done also by private agencies. As we
found out with the post Office. Now you know the
post office, steamps are going to go up a little bit,
and they have that's one of the reasons, you know,
(08:15):
when you take the post Office out of the government,
the private post office has to at least not lose money,
maybe make a little profit as well. Back on Nightside,
right after.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Steve up and Lyn. Steve, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Go right ahead, Steve, mister Ray, my name is Steve.
They come to Steve the paint. I haven't called you
in a long time, so let's make it quick. I
won't waste time. I'm not I really don't care about
the government because in half of them are corrupt anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
But I just want to talk.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
About Hamas and they're not bringing out the bomb the dead.
What they said they were going to do the dead hostage?
Did they to watch it to death?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then they brought they brought out Steve that they
brought out some I believe today they go ahead, Steve,
I'll listen to if you want to talk. I was
just going to try to explain to you that today
there was a little bit of progress. That yesterday there
were four the remains of four hostages who died in
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captivity or who were killed in captivity or returned, and
today an additional four it is believed that they had
that there are twenty eight hostages whose remains were in
possession at some point of AMAS.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So that's how many I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupted,
go ahead, how many? How many? How many host did
did they take? And uh, I'll talk when they attacked
in the beginning, yet.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It is around two hundred and over time.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
How many I'm sorry, and how many murderers and killers
and evil psychopaths we gave back?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Uh? Well, we did get back to the state of Israel,
the nation of Israel.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry two thousand, two thousand. Well, I
only would have gave back the twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
That was a lie. Whatever, But that's besides the point.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Hamas is not going to give up their arms, and
that photo op the other night was just a joke,
and those countries aren't going to do anything to stop
Hamas because most of those countries are all in cahoots
with Maha Hamas. Anyway, well, there's a.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Couple of developments. There's a couple of developments today that
are interesting. It has been reported, uh tonight by CNN
that Hamas has been execut several members of another group
that was in that was in Hamas. So now you
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have this bloedbath going on where Hamas they've had a
whole bunch of I guess about eight of these individuals
from a group that at one point was allied with Hamas,
but now they have they're going in their different ways.
So they executed publicly, which has caused a great deal
of consternation. President Trump was asked about Hamas disarming this afternoon,
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and he had a fairly direct statement, I'd like to
play it for you. I know that we're kind of
going away from what we talked about earlier.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We can always go back a lot of your time.
I'm sorry to interest.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're not at all. You're not taking out of my time.
I want you to respond. This is the President today.
He was asked at the White House about the commitment
of Hamas to disarm. I want to get your reaction
to it, because you raised the point, and I'll be
interested in what you have to say. Hold on, just
listen to this. It's forty two seconds long. Cut number sixty.
Please rob.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We have.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Told them we want disarmed, and they will disarmed. And
if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. And it
will happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.
You understand me, because you always evere says, oh, well,
they won't disarm, they will disarm. And I spoke to
Hamas and I said, you're gonna disarm, right, Yes, sir,
(12:29):
We're gonna disarm. That's what they tell me. They will
disarm or we will disarm them. Got it, Okay, you
said quickly, But what is the deadline you're gonna put on?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Reasonable?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Pretty quickly? A reasonable.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You'll react by the way of the president, either misspoke
or intentionally misspoke. Uh, he did not speak directly to
Hamas the representatives of the White House to speak directly.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It doesn't really matter because they're not gonna just You're
gonna have to go in there and kill them all,
all of them, every single one of them. They're never
going to lay down their arms or all of their weapons,
never in a million years, mock my words.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happened, Steve.
I know you kind of took us off course a
little bit, but that's fine.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I'm sorry. You mentioned the Middle East and I was
just talking about and but they're never gonna stop. No,
they're gonna have to go in there and wipe them
right off the map.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, I think Israel prepared, is prepared to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
That's what I hope they do.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I know they're going to have to do it because
the mouse is never going to lay down their arms
and they're never going to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And it's great. It was great to get it was
great to get.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
The list right. But I understand that that was wonderful.
It was awesome, and I'm so happy. My god, I
was jumping up and down. Oh jeez, I have a
Jewish neighbor downstairs. He's a wonderful, wonderful person, and they're
not going to give anybody anything. They're going to just
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kill as many people as they can, innocent people, Palestinians,
everybody that gets in their way.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
All right, Steve, I appreciate you, appreciate your point of view,
appreciate your calling.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Thank you, sir, Thank you, mister Rae.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Have a great now you call me Dan, No problem, Steve,
Thank you, next much. Let's keep rolling. You're going to
go to a Xavier in Dorchester. Xavier. Welcome to nightside.
How are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (14:36):
I'm doing well, indeed, thank you taking my call.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You're welcome, Thank you for calling. Go right ahead. What's
you We kind of opened up a second front here
so you can talk about whichever you'd prefer.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Go right, go right ahead, well the previous sprint record.
Everyone say a couple of points.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure one.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I think I think we should stop calling the people
with the individuals. We have families to feed and kids
in college, and bills to pay, housing or mortgage, rent
or mortgage. Thirdle employees. They are they are American neighbors
who now don't have jobs. And because they don't have jobs.
(15:11):
It's going to affect every neighborhood that we live in.
It's called exonomical down a vot, I guess vot A
coaster we had too. I think we should not privatize
services that people pay for Social Security the one medicate myself.
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Two because once you're once you wants to go privatize.
That means for a business, and who owns the business?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Is it an LLC? Is there a propriety or not
one person so you own? Or is there a corporation
or or or is the consilium? That means either way,
it means we must make them any Why why because
those services we're going to charge them for it. So
I want to say so, so want to go on back. One,
let's start a label. If people got who got laid
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off by the government as their employees, they are individuals
who live in our neighborhoods across the states.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Xavier, I'm following you.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
The point that I made was that there are people
in private companies, private businesses who get laid off all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Uh Man.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Federal employees are not guaranteed life employment, lifelong employment.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I never said that, and I never said that.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I'm not suggesting stop stop stop suffing.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
I never opened by state by trying to find and
defend what your thoughts or I said we should started labeling.
So that's what gives our thoughts, right, gives the thoughts
behind our opinions. And keep in mind which went d
e I when we had white women who are now
going to ther top so now like not but the
men women. Okay, the honesty I mean first, so we
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went in home era where my mother came.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Okay, Xavier, please kill that Rob Xavier.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
No problem. Sorry, I'm going to do every day and
day I'm gonna do every day. So I'm sorry, I can.
I can'd of get to point out.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
No. But what I want you to do, Xavier is
calm down for a second. Okay, we'll have a conversation.
Uh and uh. We we are regulated by the FCC,
so bear that.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yes we are.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So all I'm saying is you can call people anything.
You can call them fellow Americans, you can call them friends,
you can call them neighbors. This isn't That's fine, no problem.
The question that I was addressing earlier was that the
post office used to be run by the federal government.
(17:51):
It is now a private company. Okay, it's competing against
FedEx and all of that, and it seems to be
doing pretty well. I have not liked the fact that
stamps now cost seventy five cents a piece or whatever
the heck. Every time you go they seem to go up.
(18:13):
But a lot of people now are not sending letters
with stamps on them, and that's sort of I'd prefer
to have a private company run the post office then
have the government run it, because the government tends to
lose money. We got this big old federal debt. As
a mention, I'll tell you when i'm finishing out. Okay,
(18:38):
So what I'm saying is we have this federal debt
of about thirty eight trillion dollars. At some point, someone's
going to have to pay for that. I don't know
how we pay for that when our GDP is about
twenty eight trillion dollars a year. And that's the dilemma
we find ourselves in the conundrum whatever you want to
call it. It's a problem with gonna have to deal with.
(19:00):
I don't know how you deal with it, and I'm
looking for answers.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Go right ahead, Well, let me ask you a question. One,
we can't justify wrong the terms of fire. Why we
need to cut cut, finish this off the people who
needed And now one, let's see what you said the
postal office. I just say I went back out by saying,
when we go, when we go private, like jail houses
pain its frequency, we need to make money. We I
(19:27):
don't care how we make money. I own it by myself,
priority I knew, I knew no name. I owned by myself,
so owner. Well I got coll sodium or we're LLC.
But what uh boomb linds that boomb line make money.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
By the way, I don't think that prisons.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me let me.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Just before before sa let me just make one simple point.
I don't want. I don't think we should be privatizing prisons.
I think post office is very different from prisons. But
go ahead and make your points.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Well, yeah, so, thank you very much. So now we
are saying we need to get bigger profit, and like
we I think private means who owns it and for
it's for profit. It's called capitalism, as you already know that.
And the reason why people spend most people got into
thorough because of you know, back it was called back
(20:23):
then Jim Crow for some if you're white, you're okay. Women,
you said that we got right. It's called supuch movement.
You will fight your right to vote like they are.
But because you're okay in such movie. And I keep
in mind, America right now is going through what's called
Oh my god, I get to let my mind. King
John h here. Anyway, we cannot privatize such as I
(20:50):
paid for it. I do use a stamp and I
didn't notice they was privatized. So thanks for I learned
something new today. Amen, Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, stuff do every day. Hey, I'm in my I'm
into my my newscast at the bottom of the hour.
So I don't think you've called me before. If this
is your first time caller, we'd like to give you
a round of applause.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Okay, we'll look forward, look forward to you.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I love, not respect you and your share at least
for many many years. You know there are some buyers there,
but that's who we are. But overall we try to
maintain neutral and you do as well. So thank you
very much for the time. It is here in my opinion,
come on.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Back, come on back again. Okay, thanks Davie. I appreciate
it very much. Enjoy the conversation. We'll take a break.
Here's the news. I got some wide open lines here
six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. We're talking about the federal
government shutdown. Okay, Uh, it's gonna have real impact. It's
having real impact on people. How do we balance the
(21:49):
impact on people with the the looming federal debt. I
think that it's going to have to be done at
one step of time. It's not going to get solved tomorrow,
but it has to go in some direction. And the
Democrats are going to have to come up with some
economies I think, or they're going to get turned out
(22:11):
of office. It's as simple as that, because this debt
will be paid by young people. And if there are
young people out there, people in the twenties thirties who
are listed. This involves you back on Nightside right after
the break.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
By the way, not to open that conversation up, but
I don't see Donald Trump. He was asked a question
at the White House send and I think at least
Channel five led with the story at six tonight, which
I thought was interesting. I mean, maybe it was a
slow news day, but I don't see him taking away
World Cup soccer matches from his pal Bob Kraft. I
(22:55):
just don't see that. Uh. I get some lines six one, seven,
four on seven.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The Steve from Linn brought up the question about what
will we do if Hamas does not disarmed? But I
let's see what Carol wants to talk about. Carol's in Randolph. Hi, Carol,
welcome next to Night Side Dan.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
I was thinking the same thing. I don't think Trump
is gonna go a gret against fo.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Things he con he loves to troll everybody.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
But oh my god, I mean something's gonna change though,
I mean, oh my god, it's yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
To throwout, Oh my I am so embarrassed for growing
up in Boston and seeing this. Idiots like you brought
it on a couple of nights ago, with the spinouts
and the stealth end and everything.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Oh yeah, that the people who do the meetups, the meetups, yep, yeah,
And now all of a sudden we're national news and
it's like, oh, Boston is out of control.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
No, we are not out of control. These are idiots
that don't even live here, and well.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
A lot of them do. The two that they arrested,
and at the car meetup in the South End, they
were two kids, nineteen and eighteen. I shouldn't say kids,
they were they were two young men from from Rhode Island.
You're right, But all those people that got arrested at
the demonstration in Boston over the weekend, they they were
(24:38):
all from Boston, Summerville. All sixteen or seventeen of them
were from from from Boston Proper, org or or or
a suburb of Boston were they were. They were out
there looking for a fight with the police. I'm talking
about the the not the car meetup was in the
South End and had been in Brockton earlier that night.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
And West Rochester is my town in Randolph, Randolph too, right, yeah, right,
But if please don't make this a national thing, this
is stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well I think that they have allowed this to go
on here in Massachusetts. And if these are these are kids, teenagers,
and it's like they they're they're doing stuff which is
dangerous for themselves dangerous for other people. I can remember
a year ago they did this on a Newbury Street
one night at like one They always do it at
(25:33):
one two o'clock in the morning on a weekend, and
I was happy to see the governor finally say something.
But you know, this has been going on for a while, Son.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
National News and now say, okay, we're gonna pull BEIFA
out of it's stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, I think that. I think the visuals of a
police car in the South End burning is a pretty
powerful picture and that's what the media and the national
media launch launched onto. Okay, that that's rud Yeah, I mean,
I agree with you. I'm just trying to explain how
it happened.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Yeah, but that's got us. That's not Boston.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It was it was that section. Well, no, let me Carol,
it was Boston. It was Boston that particular night at
the intersection of Tremont and Mass Avenue. And that's part
of this. That's a very important part of the South End.
Mass and Cass has been an embarrassment for years. For
some reason, the politicians can't solve Mass and Cass.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
You know that, right, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So we have some problems and that demonstration the other
day over the weekend, those people were coming ready to
rumble and the police we're gonna have none of it.
And there's a couple of judges that they that they
were confronted by in court late last week who were
(27:09):
not messing around a Stanton and Trestler.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So that's what these kids, you bring them in they
do something stupid to give them a slap on the
wrist that they don't pay a price. They do something
stupid again, that's all.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
Oh, I mean, what was their bail? Like five hundred
bucks a thousand bucks? And they weren't even kids from Boston, they.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Were You're right, right. I couldn't agree with you more.
I do not know who the judge was that that
gave them that bail, but that was like it's you know,
for spitting on the sidewalk or something, or a barking ticket.
Hit them with something that as they say, I think
what they should do is if you're involved in one
of these car meetups and you're arrested by police, they
(27:53):
should have the ability to pass a piece of legislation
at the state House which says we can confiscate your
let's say that on the radio.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
You know, I mean, I know, but it is stupid.
This doesn't happen in Boston.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, it did happen. I'm not trying to fight with
your Carroll. I'm trying to just tell you that when
something like that happens in Boston and it's a police
car burning in the middle of the South End, that
becomes a picture. If there have been no police car burning,
it never would have been on the national news.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's allay, all right, I'll let you run. I feel
your exasperation. Thanks, Carol, Oh my god, all right, thank you,
thank you. Let me go to Dallas in Ohio. Dallas
in Ohio, thank you for calling in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Welcome true Dan, Hello Dan, and hello Boston.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Hello. Nice to hear your voice, my friend. Believe me,
I to hear your voice.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I've been listening a lot. I was wondering about this
government shutdown. It got started forty four years ago, nineteen
eighty one, under the Reagan administration. And you know, I
(29:14):
remember when I was in high school. I was going
back that far in high school and my Problems of
Democracy class, we never ever heard such saying, as you know,
government shut down, you know, wasn't a big deal, but
now really since the Reagan is Reagan's administration, it seems
(29:36):
to be pretty pretty serious. But to be honest with you,
I really think that both parties are to get it
together and realize, hey, you know, there's going to be
some elections coming up in the future, and this shutdown
(29:57):
is affecting a lot of people. And I think that
there ought to be a movement. Hey, if everyday American
can't get paid, I think the politicians don't get paid.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, that could be as well. You know, it's interesting
just looking at the shutdowns that have that have occurred.
The first one was actually Jimmy Carter. It was brief,
It was only one day, and I guess the Federal
Trade Commission was the only one that was that was
affected by it. The first one under Ronald Reagan was
(30:38):
much more expensive. It lasted a little longer, well just
about one day, but it costs like eighty to ninety
million dollars. There were two hundred and forty one thousand
employees furloughed. And then another one with with Reagan in
eighty four, in eighty six, and then George Bush in
(30:59):
ninety so he had a bunch of Republican shutdowns. And
then Bill Clinton came along and he had shutdowns. In
ninety five ninety six, Barack Obama had sixteen a shutdown
of sixteen days, one one shutdown. And then Donald Trump
had a bunch of shutdowns. The longest one he had
was thirty five days. So it's it's it's a consequence
(31:23):
of divided government that we have right now. To be
honest with you, I mean, it's got to be frustrating
for people who don't even understand it. If the Republicans
could get a few Democratic votes, they could they could
break the shutdown. But they can't. They can get two
or three votes, and it's it's a huge waste of time,
(31:49):
and it's a waste of money. And you know, I
think the Democrats will blame the Republicans, and the Republicans
would blame the Democrats.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
And and.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I keep looking at this federal debt that we have,
all of us thirty eight trillion dollars. Who's going to
pay for that?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, well, got to be paid eventually, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But it won't be you and me. It'll be our
kids and our grandkids, right right, and our kids and
grandkids don't even understand that, And how will it get paid?
I mean, they'll devalue the dollars. I mean this, there's
some consequences there. There are actually consequences and a lot
of that. Those those bonds are owned by China. And
(32:34):
if they call the bonds, it's you know, it's it's
it's it's not just theoretical.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah that's true, but I don't know, it's the you know,
I'm I'm looking at everybody walking across the fabulous carpet
down there with the fancy furniture, yeah, out there on
the floor, and I'm thinking, said, you've got you know,
(33:03):
your your your income is guaranteed, you know what I mean?
You know, and you guys can't even make a decision,
can't come to a conclusion and wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well. The other the other thing to Dallas is that
that most senators and congressmen, once they were elected, they
just get re elected forever. Now. You know, I know
you had a senator last year, a rare Senator, Sharon Brown,
who was turned out of office, you know, how right?
But how does it happen often?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
And so they get comfortable, they do very much, very
much so and they end up at the end of
the career, they're all end up their millionaires.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Funny how that works out.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Very funny, very funny that we can't get.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
A bill pass which says, if you're going to be
in Congress, you you should not be able to be
involved in the stock market because you have access to
the infusion. The average person doesn't.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Have inside insider trading inside. Yeah, yeah, the same. It's
a dog on sane.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
So I hope they I hope they can wrap it
up soon.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And you know, do me a favor, just keep in contact,
keep listening. We'll try to We'll try to give you
as as straight information as we can. I don't feel
like I have a dog in the fight, except the
big dog is that is the debt is the debt.
You know, we have a we have a thirty eight
trillion dollar debt which is compounding interest growing day, you
(34:36):
know every day. Uh, And our GDP is about twenty
eight trillion dollars. And in the old days, whenever you know,
one of these countries in Central America or South America,
they're debt exceeded their GDP. We figured that country was gone.
But for some reason, our politicians are willing to keep
(34:58):
keep piling it up. I don't know. I wish I
had an answer. I'm smart enough to know I don't
know what I don't know. Yeah, wow, Dallas, great talking
with is always. Thanks so much for being out there
in Ohio and listening. And thank you my friend. We'll
talk again.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Okay, Okay, Dan, you good, very much.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Appreciate it. Okay, I got a couple more lines for you, folks.
Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six, one
seven ninety. We've we've kept the final hour a little loose.
You want to talk about the government shutdown from whatever perspective,
You're welcome. I want to talk about the what's going
on in the Middle East. Tomas is not showing many signs,
(35:39):
any signs of laying down its weapons. The only thing
they did are executing some opponents there. So the Middle
East is is lot's been accomplished. Just getting the live
hostages home, and there were four more deceased hostages who
returned home and that's important to their fans as well.
(36:01):
There were twenty to seize hostages who have not been
returned home, and there's other things that have to happen here.
It's a great start. They got to keep the momentum going.
We'll be back on Nightside. We can talk about that,
we can talk about what President Trump said that either
hamas will disarm or they will be disarmed. We'll be
back right after this.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Let's wrap it up here. Let me go to Lola
all the way across country in San Diego. Hey, Lola,
welcome back.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
How are you, my Dan?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
What are they What are they talking about out there
in San Diego regarding the government shutdown?
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Well, I don't know, because I don't talk to too
many people anymore because they bite your head off if
you're not on their side. And I don't even know
what side they're on, so I just stay away from them.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Fair enough.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
Part of the problem is there's people out of work,
so they're not paying taxes now, they're on food stamps,
they're on housing there. You know, you go to the
doctors and if you have no money then you know
the indigen it gets paid through the government. Yes, there's
(37:17):
there's so many people out of work now. After you
collect unemployment and there's no more collecting, they don't count you.
So you can go look at the latest unemployments down.
It's down because nobody's collecting anymore, but there's still out
of work.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Yeah, so there's a big.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Merry go around here with you know, who do you
think and who do you think's hiring all these immigrants
that are working for less than minimum wage? Who's doing that?
Poor people?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (37:54):
No, poor people are rich people. It's the rich people
go to hire legal or illegal people because they work
for less money, no question.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, so this is this is part of the big problem.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
If you know, we're going to twenty five dollars an
hour minimum wage in San Diego, especially in the hotel industry.
You know the people that clean the rooms and all
that jazz, right, Well, most of the people that are
working those jobs are immigrants.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Okay, now some of them.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
Are course are illegal, but they're working. They're making the
wheels go round. I went to so, so what is so?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Lola? Lola? Because we're getting tied on time here only
about a minute a minute left. Where does that take you?
You're describing a situation which is interesting from your perspective.
Where does that take you on either of the issues
we're well, the issue we're talking about the federal the
federal governments shut down.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Yeah, so the government's paying out more and unemployment more
in food stamp, the biting off their nose to spite
their face. They created this problem.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, I think they all did. I think Democrats did.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
And how dare they tell the military they're not getting paid? Like,
you know, they're the ones that shouldn't be getting paid.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I agree with done that.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
You know they they have more money than life. Okay,
they don't need any money. All those senators and Congress.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, you can take the money away from them, but
they you'll need money for the that doesn't make up
enough money for the military.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Term limits stand.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm with you, I'm with you. But guess what, Well,
we're running out of time. So I'm flat out of time.
And I thank you as always, appreciate your call, appreciate
all the callers. Tonight, I'm going to take a break.
Uh there will be no postgame tonight. Uh so we'll
see tomorrow at eight o'clock. And there's always all dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's my pale
Charlie Rayes, who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's
(40:04):
why your pets passed that they love you and you
love them. I do believe you see them again, Rob Brooks,
thank you very much, Maria, Thank you very much. To
the callers who did call, thank you very much again.
I'll see you tomorrow at eight o five. There will
be no postgame tonight.
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