October 14, 2025 • 39 mins
The ongoing government shutdown hits day 14 as the U.S. Senate plans their 8th vote to reopen the government. While it appears there’s no resolution in sight, do you have hope that the shutdown will soon end? Has the shutdown disrupted any part of life for you? How so? We discussed the latest congressional efforts made towards ending the shutdown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm no surprise there on Bragman. He had a good year.
I think that any concerns about his leg injury of
may have been addressed. Why not if you're Alex Bregmant,
go back in the market and and see if you
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can get more than eighty And you could always, I assume,
come back to the Red Sox. Maybe not for eighty,
but you wouldn't lose that much if if, if you
don't try it, I'll ever know. So that's that's not
a surprise. And he apparently had talked in the past
tense in the clubhouse the other day and that that
was also sort of a sign to some people that
he enjoyed, had enjoyed to stay with the Red Sox.
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We'll see, boy, I hate to lose Bragmant. Really, you know,
valuable guy.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh he was the leader of the team Dan without
doubt this year immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, no, no question, no question. He stabilized that that team,
that clubhouse and all of that. That'll be But again
they have you know, you know, Meyer is a third
is a potential third baseman. I there are others in
the free agent market I would think the Yankees would
be looking at Bregmant because they don't have a third basement.
They got mcmahoned, the kid in from Colorado who right
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didn't do really well. They got a bunch of punch
and Judy kit hitters in that lineup, and I don't know,
maybe he'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
But yeah, the report says Detroit, Houston and back to
the Red Sox of the three the top options right
now for Bregman. But this wasn't a surprise, like you said.
This was how this deal was structured every year had
n opted out after it, so hardly a surprise. But
I hope he's back.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, oh I do as well, although you can see
him going back to Houston as well. He's a new
Mexico guy and so he'd be a little closer to
what is for him his home. So anyway, always great
to talk to you, Dan, love talking sports. How about
those Patriots first place in the ANC East.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I know it's unbelievable, but it's awesome. It is a
lot of fun to watch, and would love to chat
a little more about the Pats with you sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Absolutely, absolutely, Dan Watkins, Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for jumping in.
Dani Wison, Jurreff, you are still there. Okay, we are
going to talk about the federal government shutdown. It's been
shut down now for two weeks. It starts week three tomorrow.
This could go for a while, and I've got a
bunch of folks here who apparently want to jump on
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board and talk about which is great, So I'm going
to just give you the quick rundown. The Democrats are
basically saying, hey, look, there's a bunch of tax credits
which they voted to sunset by the way, which will
make which are expiring, and those expiring tax credits, if
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they're not restored, that's going to cause a jump benefit
to the insurance companies, not a benefit to the millions
of Americans who are receiving the Affordable Care Act through
the program. They also are concerned about some of Trump's
the Republican cuts to Medicaid, which is a government program,
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of course that benefits millions of people, low income people,
elderly people, disabled people, maybe even people who are not
here legally. The Democrats are inherently also opposed to spending cuts,
some of which the Torp administration now is going to
take advantage of to do unilaterally. We'll get to all
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of that. The Republicans say, look, let's have a conversation.
They've presented a what they call a clean resolution, a
stop gap, which would have given them the opportunity to
talk up until I think it was seven weeks November
twenty first, and the basically the Democrats are saying, no,
we will not do that. In order for us to
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even sit down and talk with you, you have to
concede on ABC and D. No, it's not the way
it normally goes. And I think that whatever your position
is in this, i'd love to hear what you thought
of it is. That's for sure, we do have a
government that's now about thirty seven soon to be thirty
eight trillion dollars in debt. I don't know how you
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cut that that debt in any way, shape or form,
unless you cut back some programs, or tax tax everybody,
tax tax everybody who makes over fifty thousand dollars a year,
and just you know, you can make fifty thousand, and
then the Democrats would tax you know. I'm not saying
that's what they would like, that's what they might like
to do. But they can't do that. But they'll certainly say,
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let's tax the billionaires. We'll take all the money from
the billionaires. That's not going to deal with the federal debt.
Not going to make a debt in the debt. That's
the truth. But anyway, it's a typical classic argument Democrats
and Republicans. Porky last hour said, we said the same
people there we do. I mean, whether you're Republicans and
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you look at someone like Chuck Grassley who's ninety years old,
or Chuck Schumer, who's the leader of the Democrats, you
realize that he's been there a long time, and the
Democrats were there a long time. They're concerned about someone
coming up from their left flank. So it's it's a
system of government that we have and they need to
work for the American people. You can't get a bill
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passed which would prevent members of Congress from engaging in
the text in the stock market, and I think we've
seen some examples of some members of Congress doing really
well in the stock market, ironically, So that's what we're
talking about. Six one, seven, two, five, four thirty, six
one seven, nine, three thirty. I'm not going to short
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change anybody. If you are directly impacted by the shutdown,
love to hear from you. President Trump apparently is trying
to find money to pay the military at the same time.
Today he's criticized for giving twenty billion dollars to Argentina.
But yeah, you can't do everything, but I certainly want
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to see the payment for the military prioritized. What broke
the last shut down, ironically, from what I understand, it
was when the air traffic control has started to call
in have the blue flu, call in sick. So we've
got lots of issues to talk about here, and we
go in any way you want. I've got two hours
to go, and if we don't do two hours, then
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we'll do something else at at eleven. But let's kick
let's get it going. We'll kick it off right after
the break here on night Side. Only one line right now,
six thirty. If you're impacted directly by it, I'd love
to hear from you. Make your case, make your point,
Love to know what how this is adversely impacting you.
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Social Security payments are being paid. There are some people
who are losing their jobs, which is unfortunate. But you know,
people lose their jobs in the private sector frequently as well.
It's it's an interesting argument, and I would I will
try to be as as much in the middle of
this as I can give you an opportunity to make
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your points. I'll play counterpoint with you every once in
a while. Coming back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news RADIOFORI.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to Will
on Long Island, one of my favorite callers. But Will,
let's have a conversation, buddy, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We can have a conversation about this. There is no
clear line here for me on this. It's gonna be
hard to be in the middle with me on this one.
Because I'm in the middle, I can see both sides
of this. My wife has a pretty you know, good
job for the federal government. She has not been furloughed yet.
She's somewhat essential. But people are being fired all around her,
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and it's hard to watch that. It's hard to watch
people be unable to pay their bills or take care
of their children. Right These are people that entrusted their
careers uh to the federal governments, where they could have
worked elsewhere and now are being discarded. So I can
see that side. I can also see why the Democrats
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are fighting for some of the things they're fighting for.
But if you look at some of the other ridiculous
things they want, and they're one of the things they
want is they don't want to have any of the
work requirements for able bodied people that are on Medicaid,
especially younger ones. I mean that's absurd. Okay, Well, here's the.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The problem is with you know, with all due consideration
to every employee, when when companies close shop or move
overseas or whatever, uh, no one really worries about it.
But when government employees, you know, is there is there
waste in government? I suspect there probably is. How do
we get the the federal debt down from where it is?
(09:02):
You have talked about that before. You know how much
it is? Thirty seven thirty eight trillion dollars. I mean,
there's going to have to be some cuts somewhere. I
hope your wife is not one of the cuts.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I mean that's you know, listen, I'm also very
aware of when I voted for Trump and my wife
voted from more than me. Actually, she actually wanted to
vote for Trump. I'm almost like a I mean, and
we've had this discussion before. It's like a choice between
shooting yourself and the head or and the foot. I'm like,
I'll take the foot, you know what I mean. I
looked at the last couple of elections as that was
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a shot in the head, you know, And now I
look at it like, you know, listen, there's gonna be
some damage and repercussions from this. I think mostly for
the Democrats to see a lot of federal workers are Democrats.
You know, not my wife in particular, but a lot
of them are. And you are really hurting your constituents
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for especially when there was a clean bill appropriations bill
put forward which didn't have any of the poison pills
and continued to fund the government until November twenty first.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes, what they call a clean resolution and basically let's
keep talking about it, okay.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
By the same levels that were already there and didn't
have any of the poison pill cuts that the Republicans
want to put in there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right, But the Democrats said, we won't sit down and
talk with you, we won't go ahead because the Republicans
need sixty votes in the Senate too, well they don't.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, and I was going to bring that up. Actually
where I am here in New York, you have Hakeem
Jeffries just like saying these ridiculous, absurd things because the
only people that maybe are dumber than people like Ocassio
Cortez are her constituents. When they say things like oh, well,
you know they have the majority in the House and
the Senate, they haven't put anything forward. That's because we
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know about the sixty votes for cloture. We know. I'm
gonna have to sit there and listen to Corey book
or read out of a phone book again, and guess what,
it's more exhilarating than when he talks politics. Actually, I
think that actually, rather listen to Corey Booker read from
the phone book and act all right, Dan, well, so where.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Do you come down with I mean, obviously you're conflicted,
and you're personally conflicted here.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think that's the only thing that makes the conflict.
I think my personal and I try to put my
personal thoughts aside because I'm one of those people.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think we can agree with this. I'm going to
propose a disagreement that if we were the sixtieth senator.
If we were Democratic senator and they were fifty nine senators,
I would vote to pass the c R what they call,
you know, clean resolution and extend conversation from six weeks
seven weeks or whatever, and then the pressure will build
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again and through that conversation there'll be some form of compromise.
That's what politics is all about. At the same time,
long term, how do you deal with this federal debt?
Do you just pass it on to the kids and say, hey, kids,
you take care of this. We're going to devalue the
money about twenty years from now.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that there aren't
spots that we could cut in the federal government, but
this blanket sweeping type of firing. And you know what
the funny thing is, my wife works for the Internal
Revenue Service, So you're firing people from a lot of
people from there, which are people that are actually responsible
for collecting the tax money that you're going to need
to pay for these programs. Right, So that's like one
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of the worst areas to cut, But there's plenty of
areas to cut, especially you know, don't get me wrong,
I love Melee and I love Argentina and the turn
that they're taking, and we need that type of turn
down there. But to hand out twenty billion when we're
talking about, you know, throwing billions around like it's going
out the stide. We're talking about not plunding the Ukraine.
You know, a about start there, and how about maybe
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the billionaires could pay a little bit more. I know
that we could confiscate all of their wealth and it's
not going to make a dent. The idiotcy that the
that Bernie Sanders talks about how you'll be able to
pay for this, this, this, and they list a trillion
dollars worth of programs. You could confiscate all of their
wealth and not do that, not even mentioning how you'd
have to liquidate it, which doesn't make sense. But the
fact of the matter is they should pay a little more.
We need to get back to the progressive tax structure
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that we had where the wealthy pay a little more.
And as you go down we already what's.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Your description of the of a little more? If you
live in New York. If you're in New York, you
know that your federal income tax is going to be
up around thirty seven percent. Right, you know, what is
the state income tax in New York.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Now, I'd have to look, but it's it's it's around uh,
I forget, it's pretty high.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, right, Well in California it's uputs of thirteen percent.
And then add the city tax that exists in New York.
Now that's another five or six percent.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
If I'm not mistaken, right right, I'm not talking I'm
talking about listen, the wealthy. When you're talking about tax
like that, it becomes aggressive on people that are not wealthy.
The problem with the Democrats definition of wealthy, like when
Obama what he was saying was wealthy, When you're going
out there and saying two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a years wealthy, that's just a teacher and and and
and and.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
A fire police.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I mean, that's sure, it is not correct.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But even if you want to say, okay, we got
someone who's a billionaire here.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Okay, principle, even if it wasn't about raising much more money,
just on principal, then just on principle, we have to
have listen. Warren Buffett famously said, and I'm I'm I'm
a capitalist, Okay, Warren Buffett famously said, I'm in a
lower tax bracket than my secretary. When when that's well,
Warren Buffett.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Is taking advantage Warren Buffett, then it should be ashamed
of himself if I, if I if.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He really has that pduciary responsibility to take care of
the to take those type of especially since he keeps
all of the money within his companies. These people have
a responsibility to their companies and there and to their
investors to take advantage of every loophole possible.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, and he can't have it you look, will Warren
Buffett can't have it both ways. Okay, he cannot have
it both ways. He is going to do what he's
supposed to do as a fiduciary obligation. That's an obligation. Okay.
If he's talking about what he pays at the end
his personal income taxes, he has every opportunity we here
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in Massachusetts, we have in the state income tax line.
You can make a donation to the come off of Massachusetts.
If you don't think you're paying enough taxes, toy'll come
off in Massachusetts. No, seriously, it's right there. It's on
every ever form. And guess what and there's there's hardly
anybody who ever does say Okay, no, no, That's what
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I'm saying, and so so so again, when when you
sit down. I remember interviewing a woman who had just
gone to Congress. I'll tell you it was. It was Uh.
It was congresswoman songist Paul Songus's wife. She went to congress. Uh.
And at that point, I think the federal income tax
was thirty two percent uh. And we got into a
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conversation and she said that she felt that the UH
income tax rate needed needed to be raised substantially. And I, so,
what do you think the top marginal rate is? She
said to me, something like twenty percent. I said, only
if it were you know.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, Well, I think she was probably confusing your capital
gains taxes and whatever. She probably didn't really know what you're.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, Nick was a friend of mine, was a friend
of mine. But I don't think I don't think that
she understood that. And all I'm just saying is that
you you have people leaving states like New York heading
to Florida and Tennessee and Texas. Rich people are not stupid,
They are not stupid. They will they will do whatever
they can to avoid paying taxes. As always, we went
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a little long, but you're always worth it. Thank you,
my friend.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
We have to go play some golf. I'm coming out
there to go play around the golf.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
You let me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You don't want to play golf with me, you're taking
a Let get your insurance, your life insurance contract up
because between Aaron, golf balls and clubs that go mysteriously
for trust me. You know, yeah anywhere. Talk to you soon.
Well we buddy, I'll talk to There comes the news
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at the bottom of the row. William from Baltimore is
coming up. Jim in Kansas City, Carolyn Randolph and Matt
in Franklin, and I got room for one person six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. This is a real Gordy knot. It's a
real uh uh. It's it's a complicated problem. It's not
as easy as either party wants wants you to believe.
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I mean there there there's consequences here. There are consequences.
We'll be back on Nightside. We'll talk about them. But
I want to know from your perspective, where where do
you sit on this issue? Coming back on night Side, It's.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Here we go. Let's all gonna go to jim in
Kansas City. Jimmy, you were next on NICs side.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Welcome back and thanks.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I can hear you? Fine, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, let me take you off speaker phone.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's always a good thing, yep.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Okay, all right. Well, I don't have any facts to
back this up, but I just I listen a lot
to things that news media different, very different outlets for news.
And I seem to remember back going back maybe even
three two three years that eventually what was going to
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happen was Republicans were going to force Blue State Democrats
to pay back all the assets or or you know,
funds or whatever that were allocated illegal aliens. And I
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think the real reason why the Blue State Democrats are
holding out on the continuing Resolution is because they'll have
to admit a that these people who are asylum seekers
are not really legally They're not mean, they're they're as
they're they're possessing their legality, but they're not actually yet legal.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I don't I don't I think that they're doing that
with their ice actions. Now, there are there are people
here who came to the border and sought asylum, and
they're now in the immigration court system. So until that
asylum claim is adjudicated, Uh, they are here legally because
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they're in the court system. I don't know that that's
the key to it either, because I think that there's
a lot of red states that have folks who are
here illegally and who have taken advantage of of some opportunities,
whether it's having kids in the school system. I think
that's probably I don't know who's saying that, but I
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don't think that's the reason here. I really don't. I
think that they're looking to protect the people who they
believe are vulnerable, vulnerable and uh and who deserve their support.
And I think it's a classic example of them pointing
fingers that the Republicans are Republicans pointing fingers back.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
And.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I just don't know why they didn't four weeks two
weeks ago say Okay, look, we're going to continue this
as is. We're not going to cut anything, we're not
going to raise we're not going to add anything, and
we're going to move it forward, and we're going to
put that deadline. You know, we're going to move the
Cliff another seven weeks down. I know the argument against
that is, well, we'll just face another crisis again. But
you got seven weeks to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
You want to have a conversation. That's why.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
The reason you think that is because that's what the
left wing spin news media keeps saying. They keep they
keep saying. But I think that if these blue state Democrats,
I mean the Blue states spent a lot more on
these illegal aliens than states like Missouri or Kansas. And
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if they're forced to pay back California, if California New
York are forced to pay back all of that money
that they spent all of these illegal aliens, I think
they're bankrupt immediately.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How much do you think tech how much do you
think Texas spent on illegals?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Oh, I'm sure it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's what I'm saying. That's that's a red state.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't put them outside the Roman possibility, but
I just think that they're gonna be Oh, Jim, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
An interesting thought. Let's see if what if people agree
or disagree with it. I mean, maybe that's the Maybe
that's the.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Deal they're they're they're trying to get support from the
average Joe by saying that the real reason that they're
holding out is to keep your insurance premiums low, when
I think the real reason why they're holding out is
because they don't want to have to pay back all
that money, okay, spent on aliens.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I got it. Let's see if people, if people, other
people may have heard that as well. Fair enough, I'm
with you, Thanks, Jim, talk to you soon. That's one there.
Let me go to William in Baltimore. William and Baltimore.
How are you, sir, I'm going there, William Nice here you.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
EU team man U two always I'm listening. You know
if you propably to call When you said that, you
know to me right?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
And I had experience with working with a federal agency.
Well you said that private people in private industry always
get laid off too, us man, I don't know what
the big deal is. Well, look, I'm not saying that
out of being hot or anything like that, because I
feel for anybody to get laid off. I was laid off.
I had a wife, I had a mortgage, and I
was blind. Right, So and then I told I think
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I mentioned this year before the company I was working
for I took a job as a contractor down in Bethalom,
Maryland at the USDA complex. And it was a complex
of four different buildings that was all connected though you
didn't have to go outside. I took care of one
hundred and twenty copy of years all throughout that complex.
Me and another blind guy. We uh we supplied the papers,
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We took care of the the uh actually picked the
stuff you put in it for the printer. But anyway,
I did that the printer.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Let me help you out, boy, you were talking about
printer ink and paper right.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Right grip with stuff you put in there. We took
to the had the interest to put in there for
that we had the contract because that right. And I
worked down there for seven years, commuted thirty five miles
equated on the on the commuter train. And I saw
a lot of families working there, said, it's a lot
of nepotism there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
It was the whole family down there, people that you know,
really going a lot. They brought a lot of Look
they would sell like at the end of the f
school year, they would get rid of this perfectly good
furniture and perfectly good computers and send it to a
warehouse and sell it and buy all these computers and.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Furniture, lot of waste.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yes, my niece is a federal parole and probation officer
right now, four children in street, married and she's working
without play right now. But all I'm saying is that
I was laid a few times in my life, man,
and I had to go get up for me. I
just tet here what I had to take care of.
And uh, you know in fronder, these people down there
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used to tell me all the time, I'm a civil server.
We don't ever get laid though, you know, we can't
even just fired and stuff. And I was like, oh really,
you know, I was like, okay, you know that's cool,
I said, But I know when I when I got hired,
the first paragraph in the handbook was that you and
that will employed, you know, And I was listening to
you about the about the calculator. Here in Maryland it's
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two point five, right, so you know Maryland is very high.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I didn't vote for governor more I didn't vote for
the mayor Brandon Scott. Uh, but I feel like this, well,
my heart goes out to people, but people get laid
off every day, you know, and you just have to
make away. I did it, and uh, I just feel
that people have to make away. You know, nothing is guaranteed.
My niece she has a master's degunie, so she's up
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educating people. So uh, I think they'll make out, okay,
you know, not being hot to hing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There, you know, No, no, I I no, I totally
get it, and I'm not trying to be unsympathetic. But
the problem for me, the conundrum is we have a
federal government which has spent a lot of money both
for Republicans under Republican and democratic administrations, under Republican congresses
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and Democratic congresses. And right now we all about thirty
eight trillion dollars. I you know, the next generations are
going to have to deal with that because our GDP
is only about twenty eight trillion dollars. And you know,
in the old days, when the federal debt exceeded the GDP,
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that was that was Banana Republic time, if you know
what I'm saying. Uh, And now how are we going
to deal with that? And I don't want hurt people
or anything like that, but I would hope that that
somehow we could privatize a lot of the agencies that
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we currently have and keep people working. You know, I'm
not going to throw people out on the street, but
put them in a situation where they're not being paid
by the federal government. You turn an agency almost into
a private into a private company, and that might be
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one way in which we can reduce that that federal debt.
I mean, we need more people working in private industry
and fewer people working for federal government and fewer people,
you know, receiving benefits. We also have an aging population,
so social Security. We're going to run into a problem
with soci security at some point because we have fewer
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and fewer people, you know, paying into Social Security and
more and more people, including me, taken from Social Security.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I'm there and someone to slipped my mind. But anyway, yeah, yeah,
but thank you dad, I'm cut.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know, I just got one question for your for you, Okay,
what are the Ravens gonna do for quarterback? Now?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Oh god, these people have Actually, you know, I feel
for the but I'm really I like Kansas City, you know,
so people get angry with me about that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But the Chiefs, the Chiefs and now America's team. You
and I rolled it up to him when Dallas was
Americans team. Not anymore.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's the Chiefs, right, that's right, but it's real bad.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well they like the Patriots for a while, but then
when the Patriots who win, a lot of people didn't
like them. So you know they were going to root
for the Chiefs this year, that's for sure. You know,
you got the Taylor Swift thing and going on everything.
You know, I like, yeah, my home seems like a
great kid. His dad was a major league pitcher. You
know that, right?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh no, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Know that pitch for the pitch for the Red Sox
one season. Yeah, Patrick, show.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Him when he was a kid. When he I'm talking
about Patrick when he's a kid. He said, they got
a pistol of him playing baseball. He was in a
little lead, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, they get pictures of him with Derek Jeter when
you know when Jeter, his dad made sure he got
to meet Derek Jeter and all that. It's it's a
good story. I like him. He seems like a decent kid,
levelheaded guy.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
William, thanks man.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I don't hear a lot about them, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So thank thanks thanks, William, talk soon, Okay, I have
a go on six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. Let's fill
these fill these lines up. If you're impacted by the
federal government shut down, I'd like to hear from you
if you feel, uh that you have a solution to
how to solve this. I don't know that it's it's
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it will be solved in some form of fashion by
the Democrats and the Republicans, but I think eventually the
public is going to have to put some pressure on
both parties to to somehow compromise, and I'm not sure
either one of them want to compromise. We'll be back
on nightside. I have open lines. Let's have that at
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty, six one seven,
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nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Back to the phones we go the only lines opener
of six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty. Let
me go to Matt and Franklin. Hey, Matt, next on nightside,
go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Yeah, So I regrets that I'm personally affected. Uh, I
work for the government. I've worked there a while, and uh,
I get we're in a.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Budget deficit and everything.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
But to be completely honest, a quarter of that is
Trump and it's growing and what.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Do you mean A whoa wha, wha wha, what do
you mean A quarter.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Of this Trump The quarter of the debt is from
Donald Trump's presidency, from both terms. And it seems to
be that where we can talk about all this money like, oh,
we're gonna cut this cut that it seems to be
more to punish the state, certain states and populations that
actually solve the problem. And as an employee of the government,
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when you lay someone off, it's not like the check stops.
So you get your sixty days to appeal it. So
then it goes to a judge. The judge might say, oh,
we got to review this, So then you're an administrative
paid time off. And then when they finally do pull
the trigger and sever you, you get severed.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
Of however, whatever your age is. So it's like you
might be is that the way.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Is that the way it works in the private sector.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
The private sector is a private sector, and then the
private sector doesn't completely screw with the employees for a
whole year telling them we're gonna get rid of you,
and then have people calling out sick for an entire
month or in a sick time because you don't get it.
Re embarrassed. I get the private sector that has layoffs
all the time. But then again, by.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The way, when the private sector has a problem and
they decide to lay off a bunch of people, they
they don't take a year to lay them off. They
do it when they wanted. Okay.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Also, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah. And by the way, your number on Trump, your
number on Trump is a little off. Okay. Uh, he
had some Uh he certainly spent money in his first term.
You're correct on that, and he has spent some money
on this term.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
But he's only here to trill.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Uh. I don't know if you tell me what the
future is gonna hold. Okay. The bottom line is every
one of them from Ronald Reagan from you know, literally
going back even further than that, when I the the
numbers were when when George Bush forty one, when Bill
Clinton left, Okay, Bill Clinton actually had done a pretty job.
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You know what the fideral debt was when Bill Clinton
left in two thousand and either.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
A trillion or five trillion. I think it's brought up
over the past the beliefs.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's five five trillion. So when when George Bush spent
eight years there and he left, you know what it.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Was, It was ten trillion, trillion trillion. Then it went up, Then.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It went up with Biden, then it went up with Trump,
then it went up with Biden. So it's gone up
with all of them. So my question is, how do
we pay that off or do we never pay it off?
Who pays that off?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
We're eventually going to have to do the cuts and
pay it off. But I think a lot of it
to go back to, like what my original point when
this whole thing was is the Democrats want the healthcare
for all and everything. The Republicans want seven weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know who really wants the healthcare for all? Who really?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Who?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Who's who's the big beneficiary of that at the dirty
little secret sin Sure companies?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Okay, So what I what I wanted to say is, Mike,
they've had the same continuing resolution since twenty twenty three.
Mike Johnson has worked twenty one days since July first.
They barely passed the Big Beautiful bill with a simple majority.
So to come out and say take all that time
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off and then say, you know what, give me seven
more weeks. All that's going to accomplish is in seven weeks,
we're gonna need another seven weeks. And just from what.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Necessarily I mean that you you can have that opinion,
but that's not necessarily The idea of the seven weeks
is everything says the same people in the federal government
get paid. There's no interruption, there's no increase, but everything stays.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Interruption because they're only planning for seven weeks at a time.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, but the point is that there's an interruption. Now, Okay,
So if the if the continuing resolution, the clean resolution,
had passed, no increase, no cuts, nothing, you would then
have seven weeks and guess what, Uh, the pressure would
build again That's what's happened in the past. You know again, Uh,
if the Democrats do do me this, favorite Matt, here's
(34:12):
my question. The Democrats said, we will not vote for
a clean resolution, we will not continue it unless you
uh concede and capitulate on medicaid uh and and all
of the all of the things that we're concerned about.
In order for us to go back to negotiate with you.
You have to give in on health insurance, on Obamacare.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
They also need to talk to each other and need
seven seven Democrats to agree on it. And like three,
I think three or four weeks ago, Trump said, I
don't even care if what the mass says. Don't talk
to them, and they haven't talked to them. Mike Johnson
simply listens to Trump, who has listened to Russell Vott
and Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And Okay, you got your talking points down, Matt, and
and and you got.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
To man, that's y.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's fine. Se So Matt who had five minutes and
forty seconds and basically wanted to have a conversation with him.
Next time you call Matt, I'll give you two minutes.
You can just talk, say whatever you want. Okay, I
won't even discuss it with you. Man, I'll tell you
Matt is what you call an open minded Democrat. He
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works for the federal government. You know what his concern is.
His concern is his job, which is fine. But I
just asked questions and I'm looking for some answers, that's all.
I was hoping he could educate me, but I guess not.
Maybe he could swim Bob and rain him. Go ahead, Bob, Bob, Bob, welcome.
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Matt decided to leave a little early. Had I hope
you caught the swear that he got in there by
the way, Bob, I know you had to listen to swear.
Oh offended deeply. I'm sure you've never heard such language
before in your life.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Go ahead, I haven't.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
But anyway, and so I've worked for I don't know,
I guess a branch of the federal government. And I've
also worked for the defense industry and so and for
the last I'm going to say, thirty years, I have
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never heard a politician say, you know, things are getting tight.
We got to tighten the belts. You know, we're running
the deficit. I mean, it just keeps going on and
on and on, and you know, someone in it looks
like it's going to be President Trump has to make
(36:44):
a stand and say, you know, we we gotta you know,
it's it's criminal and it's disgusting that we're going to
push this off on our children and grandchildren. And I mean,
you know, it's some point. I mean, something has to give.
I mean, I mean, we just can't keep giving ourselves
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raises I mean, I think I've been paying attention to
this for like, I don't know, thirty thirty five years now,
and I think when I first started paying attention to it,
and I'm going to stick to the state of Massachusetts,
I think the budget of Massachusetts was like nine billion
(37:27):
dollars dollars when I first started paying attention, and now whatever,
thirty two years later, it's sixty two billions. I mean, how, how,
how does how is this sustainable? I mean when does
someone finally say, you know, we get a we get
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to tighten the belt. And I mean, I know there's
unions involved now and they'll never take a pay cad
and there's I mean, there's plenty of people that are
on the payrolls that really do next to nothing. And
I mean I've been in the game. I've seen it.
And I mean, I mean, when do we start thinking
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about our kids? And I drank it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, I think we got we should have started thinking
about them about twenty years ago, so we got to
start thinking as soon as possible. Hey, Bob, I'm flat
up against the eleven. I gotta let you run. But
thank you so much for bringing a note of sanity
to the conversation and we had a nice conversation. You
got everything in in about two and a half minutes
and you didn't even swear at me. That's good. Thanks Bob,
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talk soon, you have a great night. We're going to
continue with this into the next hour, and I hope
whatever your point of view is, let's have at it. Okay,
we can have a conversation and we don't have to
scream and yell and have a conversations. That's what night
Side's all about. If you get frustrated with the conversation,
I can't help you, but you know I'll let you
say whatever you want to say and then I'll ask
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you questions. Is as simple as that. We'll be back
in night Side right after the eleven o'clock news
It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm no surprise there on Bragman. He had a good year.
I think that any concerns about his leg injury of
may have been addressed. Why not if you're Alex Bregmant,
go back in the market and and see if you
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can get more than eighty And you could always, I assume,
come back to the Red Sox. Maybe not for eighty,
but you wouldn't lose that much if if, if you
don't try it, I'll ever know. So that's that's not
a surprise. And he apparently had talked in the past
tense in the clubhouse the other day and that that
was also sort of a sign to some people that
he enjoyed, had enjoyed to stay with the Red Sox.
(00:47):
We'll see, boy, I hate to lose Bragmant. Really, you know,
valuable guy.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh he was the leader of the team Dan without
doubt this year immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, no, no question, no question. He stabilized that that team,
that clubhouse and all of that. That'll be But again
they have you know, you know, Meyer is a third
is a potential third baseman. I there are others in
the free agent market I would think the Yankees would
be looking at Bregmant because they don't have a third basement.
They got mcmahoned, the kid in from Colorado who right
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didn't do really well. They got a bunch of punch
and Judy kit hitters in that lineup, and I don't know,
maybe he'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
But yeah, the report says Detroit, Houston and back to
the Red Sox of the three the top options right
now for Bregman. But this wasn't a surprise, like you said.
This was how this deal was structured every year had
n opted out after it, so hardly a surprise. But
I hope he's back.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, oh I do as well, although you can see
him going back to Houston as well. He's a new
Mexico guy and so he'd be a little closer to
what is for him his home. So anyway, always great
to talk to you, Dan, love talking sports. How about
those Patriots first place in the ANC East.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I know it's unbelievable, but it's awesome. It is a
lot of fun to watch, and would love to chat
a little more about the Pats with you sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Absolutely, absolutely, Dan Watkins, Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for jumping in.
Dani Wison, Jurreff, you are still there. Okay, we are
going to talk about the federal government shutdown. It's been
shut down now for two weeks. It starts week three tomorrow.
This could go for a while, and I've got a
bunch of folks here who apparently want to jump on
(02:27):
board and talk about which is great, So I'm going
to just give you the quick rundown. The Democrats are
basically saying, hey, look, there's a bunch of tax credits
which they voted to sunset by the way, which will
make which are expiring, and those expiring tax credits, if
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they're not restored, that's going to cause a jump benefit
to the insurance companies, not a benefit to the millions
of Americans who are receiving the Affordable Care Act through
the program. They also are concerned about some of Trump's
the Republican cuts to Medicaid, which is a government program,
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of course that benefits millions of people, low income people,
elderly people, disabled people, maybe even people who are not
here legally. The Democrats are inherently also opposed to spending cuts,
some of which the Torp administration now is going to
take advantage of to do unilaterally. We'll get to all
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of that. The Republicans say, look, let's have a conversation.
They've presented a what they call a clean resolution, a
stop gap, which would have given them the opportunity to
talk up until I think it was seven weeks November
twenty first, and the basically the Democrats are saying, no,
we will not do that. In order for us to
(03:53):
even sit down and talk with you, you have to
concede on ABC and D. No, it's not the way
it normally goes. And I think that whatever your position
is in this, i'd love to hear what you thought
of it is. That's for sure, we do have a
government that's now about thirty seven soon to be thirty
eight trillion dollars in debt. I don't know how you
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cut that that debt in any way, shape or form,
unless you cut back some programs, or tax tax everybody,
tax tax everybody who makes over fifty thousand dollars a year,
and just you know, you can make fifty thousand, and
then the Democrats would tax you know. I'm not saying
that's what they would like, that's what they might like
to do. But they can't do that. But they'll certainly say,
(04:36):
let's tax the billionaires. We'll take all the money from
the billionaires. That's not going to deal with the federal debt.
Not going to make a debt in the debt. That's
the truth. But anyway, it's a typical classic argument Democrats
and Republicans. Porky last hour said, we said the same
people there we do. I mean, whether you're Republicans and
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you look at someone like Chuck Grassley who's ninety years old,
or Chuck Schumer, who's the leader of the Democrats, you
realize that he's been there a long time, and the
Democrats were there a long time. They're concerned about someone
coming up from their left flank. So it's it's a
system of government that we have and they need to
work for the American people. You can't get a bill
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passed which would prevent members of Congress from engaging in
the text in the stock market, and I think we've
seen some examples of some members of Congress doing really
well in the stock market, ironically, So that's what we're
talking about. Six one, seven, two, five, four thirty, six
one seven, nine, three thirty. I'm not going to short
(05:44):
change anybody. If you are directly impacted by the shutdown,
love to hear from you. President Trump apparently is trying
to find money to pay the military at the same time.
Today he's criticized for giving twenty billion dollars to Argentina.
But yeah, you can't do everything, but I certainly want
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to see the payment for the military prioritized. What broke
the last shut down, ironically, from what I understand, it
was when the air traffic control has started to call
in have the blue flu, call in sick. So we've
got lots of issues to talk about here, and we
go in any way you want. I've got two hours
to go, and if we don't do two hours, then
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we'll do something else at at eleven. But let's kick
let's get it going. We'll kick it off right after
the break here on night Side. Only one line right now,
six thirty. If you're impacted directly by it, I'd love
to hear from you. Make your case, make your point,
Love to know what how this is adversely impacting you.
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Social Security payments are being paid. There are some people
who are losing their jobs, which is unfortunate. But you know,
people lose their jobs in the private sector frequently as well.
It's it's an interesting argument, and I would I will
try to be as as much in the middle of
this as I can give you an opportunity to make
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your points. I'll play counterpoint with you every once in
a while. Coming back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news RADIOFORI.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to Will
on Long Island, one of my favorite callers. But Will,
let's have a conversation, buddy, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
We can have a conversation about this. There is no
clear line here for me on this. It's gonna be
hard to be in the middle with me on this one.
Because I'm in the middle, I can see both sides
of this. My wife has a pretty you know, good
job for the federal government. She has not been furloughed yet.
She's somewhat essential. But people are being fired all around her,
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and it's hard to watch that. It's hard to watch
people be unable to pay their bills or take care
of their children. Right These are people that entrusted their
careers uh to the federal governments, where they could have
worked elsewhere and now are being discarded. So I can
see that side. I can also see why the Democrats
(08:19):
are fighting for some of the things they're fighting for.
But if you look at some of the other ridiculous
things they want, and they're one of the things they
want is they don't want to have any of the
work requirements for able bodied people that are on Medicaid,
especially younger ones. I mean that's absurd. Okay, Well, here's the.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The problem is with you know, with all due consideration
to every employee, when when companies close shop or move
overseas or whatever, uh, no one really worries about it.
But when government employees, you know, is there is there
waste in government? I suspect there probably is. How do
we get the the federal debt down from where it is?
(09:02):
You have talked about that before. You know how much
it is? Thirty seven thirty eight trillion dollars. I mean,
there's going to have to be some cuts somewhere. I
hope your wife is not one of the cuts.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I mean that's you know, listen, I'm also very
aware of when I voted for Trump and my wife
voted from more than me. Actually, she actually wanted to
vote for Trump. I'm almost like a I mean, and
we've had this discussion before. It's like a choice between
shooting yourself and the head or and the foot. I'm like,
I'll take the foot, you know what I mean. I
looked at the last couple of elections as that was
(09:34):
a shot in the head, you know, And now I
look at it like, you know, listen, there's gonna be
some damage and repercussions from this. I think mostly for
the Democrats to see a lot of federal workers are Democrats.
You know, not my wife in particular, but a lot
of them are. And you are really hurting your constituents
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for especially when there was a clean bill appropriations bill
put forward which didn't have any of the poison pills
and continued to fund the government until November twenty first.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes, what they call a clean resolution and basically let's
keep talking about it, okay.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
By the same levels that were already there and didn't
have any of the poison pill cuts that the Republicans
want to put in there.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right, But the Democrats said, we won't sit down and
talk with you, we won't go ahead because the Republicans
need sixty votes in the Senate too, well they don't.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, and I was going to bring that up. Actually
where I am here in New York, you have Hakeem
Jeffries just like saying these ridiculous, absurd things because the
only people that maybe are dumber than people like Ocassio
Cortez are her constituents. When they say things like oh, well,
you know they have the majority in the House and
the Senate, they haven't put anything forward. That's because we
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know about the sixty votes for cloture. We know. I'm
gonna have to sit there and listen to Corey book
or read out of a phone book again, and guess what,
it's more exhilarating than when he talks politics. Actually, I
think that actually, rather listen to Corey Booker read from
the phone book and act all right, Dan, well, so where.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Do you come down with I mean, obviously you're conflicted,
and you're personally conflicted here.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think that's the only thing that makes the conflict.
I think my personal and I try to put my
personal thoughts aside because I'm one of those people.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think we can agree with this. I'm going to
propose a disagreement that if we were the sixtieth senator.
If we were Democratic senator and they were fifty nine senators,
I would vote to pass the c R what they call,
you know, clean resolution and extend conversation from six weeks
seven weeks or whatever, and then the pressure will build
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again and through that conversation there'll be some form of compromise.
That's what politics is all about. At the same time,
long term, how do you deal with this federal debt?
Do you just pass it on to the kids and say, hey, kids,
you take care of this. We're going to devalue the
money about twenty years from now.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that there aren't
spots that we could cut in the federal government, but
this blanket sweeping type of firing. And you know what
the funny thing is, my wife works for the Internal
Revenue Service, So you're firing people from a lot of
people from there, which are people that are actually responsible
for collecting the tax money that you're going to need
to pay for these programs. Right, So that's like one
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of the worst areas to cut, But there's plenty of
areas to cut, especially you know, don't get me wrong,
I love Melee and I love Argentina and the turn
that they're taking, and we need that type of turn
down there. But to hand out twenty billion when we're
talking about, you know, throwing billions around like it's going
out the stide. We're talking about not plunding the Ukraine.
You know, a about start there, and how about maybe
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the billionaires could pay a little bit more. I know
that we could confiscate all of their wealth and it's
not going to make a dent. The idiotcy that the
that Bernie Sanders talks about how you'll be able to
pay for this, this, this, and they list a trillion
dollars worth of programs. You could confiscate all of their
wealth and not do that, not even mentioning how you'd
have to liquidate it, which doesn't make sense. But the
fact of the matter is they should pay a little more.
We need to get back to the progressive tax structure
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that we had where the wealthy pay a little more.
And as you go down we already what's.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Your description of the of a little more? If you
live in New York. If you're in New York, you
know that your federal income tax is going to be
up around thirty seven percent. Right, you know, what is
the state income tax in New York.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Now, I'd have to look, but it's it's it's around uh,
I forget, it's pretty high.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, right, Well in California it's uputs of thirteen percent.
And then add the city tax that exists in New York.
Now that's another five or six percent.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
If I'm not mistaken, right right, I'm not talking I'm
talking about listen, the wealthy. When you're talking about tax
like that, it becomes aggressive on people that are not wealthy.
The problem with the Democrats definition of wealthy, like when
Obama what he was saying was wealthy, When you're going
out there and saying two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a years wealthy, that's just a teacher and and and
and and.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
A fire police.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I mean, that's sure, it is not correct.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But even if you want to say, okay, we got
someone who's a billionaire here.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Okay, principle, even if it wasn't about raising much more money,
just on principal, then just on principle, we have to
have listen. Warren Buffett famously said, and I'm I'm I'm
a capitalist, Okay, Warren Buffett famously said, I'm in a
lower tax bracket than my secretary. When when that's well,
Warren Buffett.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Is taking advantage Warren Buffett, then it should be ashamed
of himself if I, if I if.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He really has that pduciary responsibility to take care of
the to take those type of especially since he keeps
all of the money within his companies. These people have
a responsibility to their companies and there and to their
investors to take advantage of every loophole possible.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, and he can't have it you look, will Warren
Buffett can't have it both ways. Okay, he cannot have
it both ways. He is going to do what he's
supposed to do as a fiduciary obligation. That's an obligation. Okay.
If he's talking about what he pays at the end
his personal income taxes, he has every opportunity we here
(15:06):
in Massachusetts, we have in the state income tax line.
You can make a donation to the come off of Massachusetts.
If you don't think you're paying enough taxes, toy'll come
off in Massachusetts. No, seriously, it's right there. It's on
every ever form. And guess what and there's there's hardly
anybody who ever does say Okay, no, no, That's what
(15:27):
I'm saying, and so so so again, when when you
sit down. I remember interviewing a woman who had just
gone to Congress. I'll tell you it was. It was Uh.
It was congresswoman songist Paul Songus's wife. She went to congress. Uh.
And at that point, I think the federal income tax
was thirty two percent uh. And we got into a
(15:49):
conversation and she said that she felt that the UH
income tax rate needed needed to be raised substantially. And I, so,
what do you think the top marginal rate is? She
said to me, something like twenty percent. I said, only
if it were you know.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, Well, I think she was probably confusing your capital
gains taxes and whatever. She probably didn't really know what you're.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, Nick was a friend of mine, was a friend
of mine. But I don't think I don't think that
she understood that. And all I'm just saying is that
you you have people leaving states like New York heading
to Florida and Tennessee and Texas. Rich people are not stupid,
They are not stupid. They will they will do whatever
they can to avoid paying taxes. As always, we went
(16:35):
a little long, but you're always worth it. Thank you,
my friend.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
We have to go play some golf. I'm coming out
there to go play around the golf.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
You let me.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You don't want to play golf with me, you're taking
a Let get your insurance, your life insurance contract up
because between Aaron, golf balls and clubs that go mysteriously
for trust me. You know, yeah anywhere. Talk to you soon.
Well we buddy, I'll talk to There comes the news
(17:04):
at the bottom of the row. William from Baltimore is
coming up. Jim in Kansas City, Carolyn Randolph and Matt
in Franklin, and I got room for one person six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. This is a real Gordy knot. It's a
real uh uh. It's it's a complicated problem. It's not
as easy as either party wants wants you to believe.
(17:27):
I mean there there there's consequences here. There are consequences.
We'll be back on Nightside. We'll talk about them. But
I want to know from your perspective, where where do
you sit on this issue? Coming back on night Side, It's.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Night Side with Dan ray On Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Here we go. Let's all gonna go to jim in
Kansas City. Jimmy, you were next on NICs side.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Welcome back and thanks.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I can hear you? Fine, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, let me take you off speaker phone.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's always a good thing, yep.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Okay, all right. Well, I don't have any facts to
back this up, but I just I listen a lot
to things that news media different, very different outlets for news.
And I seem to remember back going back maybe even
three two three years that eventually what was going to
(18:25):
happen was Republicans were going to force Blue State Democrats
to pay back all the assets or or you know,
funds or whatever that were allocated illegal aliens. And I
(18:45):
think the real reason why the Blue State Democrats are
holding out on the continuing Resolution is because they'll have
to admit a that these people who are asylum seekers
are not really legally They're not mean, they're they're as
they're they're possessing their legality, but they're not actually yet legal.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I don't I don't I think that they're doing that
with their ice actions. Now, there are there are people
here who came to the border and sought asylum, and
they're now in the immigration court system. So until that
asylum claim is adjudicated, Uh, they are here legally because
(19:30):
they're in the court system. I don't know that that's
the key to it either, because I think that there's
a lot of red states that have folks who are
here illegally and who have taken advantage of of some opportunities,
whether it's having kids in the school system. I think
that's probably I don't know who's saying that, but I
(19:50):
don't think that's the reason here. I really don't. I
think that they're looking to protect the people who they
believe are vulnerable, vulnerable and uh and who deserve their support.
And I think it's a classic example of them pointing
fingers that the Republicans are Republicans pointing fingers back.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
And.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I just don't know why they didn't four weeks two
weeks ago say Okay, look, we're going to continue this
as is. We're not going to cut anything, we're not
going to raise we're not going to add anything, and
we're going to move it forward, and we're going to
put that deadline. You know, we're going to move the
Cliff another seven weeks down. I know the argument against
that is, well, we'll just face another crisis again. But
you got seven weeks to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
You want to have a conversation. That's why.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
The reason you think that is because that's what the
left wing spin news media keeps saying. They keep they
keep saying. But I think that if these blue state Democrats,
I mean the Blue states spent a lot more on
these illegal aliens than states like Missouri or Kansas. And
(20:55):
if they're forced to pay back California, if California New
York are forced to pay back all of that money
that they spent all of these illegal aliens, I think
they're bankrupt immediately.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How much do you think tech how much do you
think Texas spent on illegals?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Oh, I'm sure it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's what I'm saying. That's that's a red state.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't put them outside the Roman possibility, but
I just think that they're gonna be Oh, Jim, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
An interesting thought. Let's see if what if people agree
or disagree with it. I mean, maybe that's the Maybe
that's the.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Deal they're they're they're trying to get support from the
average Joe by saying that the real reason that they're
holding out is to keep your insurance premiums low, when
I think the real reason why they're holding out is
because they don't want to have to pay back all
that money, okay, spent on aliens.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I got it. Let's see if people, if people, other
people may have heard that as well. Fair enough, I'm
with you, Thanks, Jim, talk to you soon. That's one there.
Let me go to William in Baltimore. William and Baltimore.
How are you, sir, I'm going there, William Nice here you.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
EU team man U two always I'm listening. You know
if you propably to call When you said that, you
know to me right?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
And I had experience with working with a federal agency.
Well you said that private people in private industry always
get laid off too, us man, I don't know what
the big deal is. Well, look, I'm not saying that
out of being hot or anything like that, because I
feel for anybody to get laid off. I was laid off.
I had a wife, I had a mortgage, and I
was blind. Right, So and then I told I think
(22:31):
I mentioned this year before the company I was working
for I took a job as a contractor down in Bethalom,
Maryland at the USDA complex. And it was a complex
of four different buildings that was all connected though you
didn't have to go outside. I took care of one
hundred and twenty copy of years all throughout that complex.
Me and another blind guy. We uh we supplied the papers,
(22:52):
We took care of the the uh actually picked the
stuff you put in it for the printer. But anyway,
I did that the printer.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Let me help you out, boy, you were talking about
printer ink and paper right.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Right grip with stuff you put in there. We took
to the had the interest to put in there for
that we had the contract because that right. And I
worked down there for seven years, commuted thirty five miles
equated on the on the commuter train. And I saw
a lot of families working there, said, it's a lot
of nepotism there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
It was the whole family down there, people that you know,
really going a lot. They brought a lot of Look
they would sell like at the end of the f
school year, they would get rid of this perfectly good
furniture and perfectly good computers and send it to a
warehouse and sell it and buy all these computers and.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Furniture, lot of waste.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yes, my niece is a federal parole and probation officer
right now, four children in street, married and she's working
without play right now. But all I'm saying is that
I was laid a few times in my life, man,
and I had to go get up for me. I
just tet here what I had to take care of.
And uh, you know in fronder, these people down there
(24:05):
used to tell me all the time, I'm a civil server.
We don't ever get laid though, you know, we can't
even just fired and stuff. And I was like, oh really,
you know, I was like, okay, you know that's cool,
I said, But I know when I when I got hired,
the first paragraph in the handbook was that you and
that will employed, you know, And I was listening to
you about the about the calculator. Here in Maryland it's
(24:27):
two point five, right, so you know Maryland is very high.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I didn't vote for governor more I didn't vote for
the mayor Brandon Scott. Uh, but I feel like this, well,
my heart goes out to people, but people get laid
off every day, you know, and you just have to
make away. I did it, and uh, I just feel
that people have to make away. You know, nothing is guaranteed.
My niece she has a master's degunie, so she's up
(24:53):
educating people. So uh, I think they'll make out, okay,
you know, not being hot to hing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There, you know, No, no, I I no, I totally
get it, and I'm not trying to be unsympathetic. But
the problem for me, the conundrum is we have a
federal government which has spent a lot of money both
for Republicans under Republican and democratic administrations, under Republican congresses
(25:20):
and Democratic congresses. And right now we all about thirty
eight trillion dollars. I you know, the next generations are
going to have to deal with that because our GDP
is only about twenty eight trillion dollars. And you know,
in the old days, when the federal debt exceeded the GDP,
(25:45):
that was that was Banana Republic time, if you know
what I'm saying. Uh, And now how are we going
to deal with that? And I don't want hurt people
or anything like that, but I would hope that that
somehow we could privatize a lot of the agencies that
(26:06):
we currently have and keep people working. You know, I'm
not going to throw people out on the street, but
put them in a situation where they're not being paid
by the federal government. You turn an agency almost into
a private into a private company, and that might be
(26:27):
one way in which we can reduce that that federal debt.
I mean, we need more people working in private industry
and fewer people working for federal government and fewer people,
you know, receiving benefits. We also have an aging population,
so social Security. We're going to run into a problem
with soci security at some point because we have fewer
(26:49):
and fewer people, you know, paying into Social Security and
more and more people, including me, taken from Social Security.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I'm there and someone to slipped my mind. But anyway, yeah, yeah,
but thank you dad, I'm cut.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know, I just got one question for your for you, Okay,
what are the Ravens gonna do for quarterback? Now?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Oh god, these people have Actually, you know, I feel
for the but I'm really I like Kansas City, you know,
so people get angry with me about that.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But the Chiefs, the Chiefs and now America's team. You
and I rolled it up to him when Dallas was
Americans team. Not anymore.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's the Chiefs, right, that's right, but it's real bad.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well they like the Patriots for a while, but then
when the Patriots who win, a lot of people didn't
like them. So you know they were going to root
for the Chiefs this year, that's for sure. You know,
you got the Taylor Swift thing and going on everything.
You know, I like, yeah, my home seems like a
great kid. His dad was a major league pitcher. You
know that, right?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh no, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Know that pitch for the pitch for the Red Sox
one season. Yeah, Patrick, show.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Him when he was a kid. When he I'm talking
about Patrick when he's a kid. He said, they got
a pistol of him playing baseball. He was in a
little lead, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, they get pictures of him with Derek Jeter when
you know when Jeter, his dad made sure he got
to meet Derek Jeter and all that. It's it's a
good story. I like him. He seems like a decent kid,
levelheaded guy.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
William, thanks man.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I don't hear a lot about them, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So thank thanks thanks, William, talk soon, Okay, I have
a go on six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. Let's fill
these fill these lines up. If you're impacted by the
federal government shut down, I'd like to hear from you
if you feel, uh that you have a solution to
how to solve this. I don't know that it's it's
(28:55):
it will be solved in some form of fashion by
the Democrats and the Republicans, but I think eventually the
public is going to have to put some pressure on
both parties to to somehow compromise, and I'm not sure
either one of them want to compromise. We'll be back
on nightside. I have open lines. Let's have that at
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty, six one seven,
(29:15):
nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Back to the phones we go the only lines opener
of six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty. Let
me go to Matt and Franklin. Hey, Matt, next on nightside,
go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Yeah, So I regrets that I'm personally affected. Uh, I
work for the government. I've worked there a while, and uh,
I get we're in a.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Budget deficit and everything.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
But to be completely honest, a quarter of that is
Trump and it's growing and what.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Do you mean A whoa wha, wha wha, what do
you mean A quarter.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Of this Trump The quarter of the debt is from
Donald Trump's presidency, from both terms. And it seems to
be that where we can talk about all this money like, oh,
we're gonna cut this cut that it seems to be
more to punish the state, certain states and populations that
actually solve the problem. And as an employee of the government,
(30:16):
when you lay someone off, it's not like the check stops.
So you get your sixty days to appeal it. So
then it goes to a judge. The judge might say, oh,
we got to review this, So then you're an administrative
paid time off. And then when they finally do pull
the trigger and sever you, you get severed.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
Of however, whatever your age is. So it's like you
might be is that the way.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Is that the way it works in the private sector.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
The private sector is a private sector, and then the
private sector doesn't completely screw with the employees for a
whole year telling them we're gonna get rid of you,
and then have people calling out sick for an entire
month or in a sick time because you don't get it.
Re embarrassed. I get the private sector that has layoffs
all the time. But then again, by.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The way, when the private sector has a problem and
they decide to lay off a bunch of people, they
they don't take a year to lay them off. They
do it when they wanted. Okay.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Also, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah. And by the way, your number on Trump, your
number on Trump is a little off. Okay. Uh, he
had some Uh he certainly spent money in his first term.
You're correct on that, and he has spent some money
on this term.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
But he's only here to trill.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Uh. I don't know if you tell me what the
future is gonna hold. Okay. The bottom line is every
one of them from Ronald Reagan from you know, literally
going back even further than that, when I the the
numbers were when when George Bush forty one, when Bill
Clinton left, Okay, Bill Clinton actually had done a pretty job.
(32:00):
You know what the fideral debt was when Bill Clinton
left in two thousand and either.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
A trillion or five trillion. I think it's brought up
over the past the beliefs.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's five five trillion. So when when George Bush spent
eight years there and he left, you know what it.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Was, It was ten trillion, trillion trillion. Then it went up, Then.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It went up with Biden, then it went up with Trump,
then it went up with Biden. So it's gone up
with all of them. So my question is, how do
we pay that off or do we never pay it off?
Who pays that off?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
We're eventually going to have to do the cuts and
pay it off. But I think a lot of it
to go back to, like what my original point when
this whole thing was is the Democrats want the healthcare
for all and everything. The Republicans want seven weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know who really wants the healthcare for all? Who really?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Who?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Who's who's the big beneficiary of that at the dirty
little secret sin Sure companies?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Okay, So what I what I wanted to say is, Mike,
they've had the same continuing resolution since twenty twenty three.
Mike Johnson has worked twenty one days since July first.
They barely passed the Big Beautiful bill with a simple majority.
So to come out and say take all that time
(33:22):
off and then say, you know what, give me seven
more weeks. All that's going to accomplish is in seven weeks,
we're gonna need another seven weeks. And just from what.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Necessarily I mean that you you can have that opinion,
but that's not necessarily The idea of the seven weeks
is everything says the same people in the federal government
get paid. There's no interruption, there's no increase, but everything stays.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Interruption because they're only planning for seven weeks at a time.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, but the point is that there's an interruption. Now, Okay,
So if the if the continuing resolution, the clean resolution,
had passed, no increase, no cuts, nothing, you would then
have seven weeks and guess what, Uh, the pressure would
build again That's what's happened in the past. You know again, Uh,
if the Democrats do do me this, favorite Matt, here's
(34:12):
my question. The Democrats said, we will not vote for
a clean resolution, we will not continue it unless you
uh concede and capitulate on medicaid uh and and all
of the all of the things that we're concerned about.
In order for us to go back to negotiate with you.
You have to give in on health insurance, on Obamacare.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
They also need to talk to each other and need
seven seven Democrats to agree on it. And like three,
I think three or four weeks ago, Trump said, I
don't even care if what the mass says. Don't talk
to them, and they haven't talked to them. Mike Johnson
simply listens to Trump, who has listened to Russell Vott
and Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And Okay, you got your talking points down, Matt, and
and and you got.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
To man, that's y.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's fine. Se So Matt who had five minutes and
forty seconds and basically wanted to have a conversation with him.
Next time you call Matt, I'll give you two minutes.
You can just talk, say whatever you want. Okay, I
won't even discuss it with you. Man, I'll tell you
Matt is what you call an open minded Democrat. He
(35:20):
works for the federal government. You know what his concern is.
His concern is his job, which is fine. But I
just asked questions and I'm looking for some answers, that's all.
I was hoping he could educate me, but I guess not.
Maybe he could swim Bob and rain him. Go ahead, Bob, Bob, Bob, welcome.
(35:43):
Matt decided to leave a little early. Had I hope
you caught the swear that he got in there by
the way, Bob, I know you had to listen to swear.
Oh offended deeply. I'm sure you've never heard such language
before in your life.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Go ahead, I haven't.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
But anyway, and so I've worked for I don't know,
I guess a branch of the federal government. And I've
also worked for the defense industry and so and for
the last I'm going to say, thirty years, I have
(36:24):
never heard a politician say, you know, things are getting tight.
We got to tighten the belts. You know, we're running
the deficit. I mean, it just keeps going on and
on and on, and you know, someone in it looks
like it's going to be President Trump has to make
(36:44):
a stand and say, you know, we we gotta you know,
it's it's criminal and it's disgusting that we're going to
push this off on our children and grandchildren. And I mean,
you know, it's some point. I mean, something has to give.
I mean, I mean, we just can't keep giving ourselves
(37:07):
raises I mean, I think I've been paying attention to
this for like, I don't know, thirty thirty five years now,
and I think when I first started paying attention to it,
and I'm going to stick to the state of Massachusetts,
I think the budget of Massachusetts was like nine billion
(37:27):
dollars dollars when I first started paying attention, and now whatever,
thirty two years later, it's sixty two billions. I mean, how, how,
how does how is this sustainable? I mean when does
someone finally say, you know, we get a we get
(37:48):
to tighten the belt. And I mean, I know there's
unions involved now and they'll never take a pay cad
and there's I mean, there's plenty of people that are
on the payrolls that really do next to nothing. And
I mean I've been in the game. I've seen it.
And I mean, I mean, when do we start thinking
(38:09):
about our kids? And I drank it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, I think we got we should have started thinking
about them about twenty years ago, so we got to
start thinking as soon as possible. Hey, Bob, I'm flat
up against the eleven. I gotta let you run. But
thank you so much for bringing a note of sanity
to the conversation and we had a nice conversation. You
got everything in in about two and a half minutes
and you didn't even swear at me. That's good. Thanks Bob,
(38:35):
talk soon, you have a great night. We're going to
continue with this into the next hour, and I hope
whatever your point of view is, let's have at it. Okay,
we can have a conversation and we don't have to
scream and yell and have a conversations. That's what night
Side's all about. If you get frustrated with the conversation,
I can't help you, but you know I'll let you
say whatever you want to say and then I'll ask
(38:56):
you questions. Is as simple as that. We'll be back
in night Side right after the eleven o'clock news
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