October 28, 2024 • 40 mins
A road rage incident in Plymouth turned deadly when a young man shot and killed another driver after getting into a minor traffic incident. The 23-year-old suspect had a young child on board at the time of the motor vehicle crash that escalated into a physical fight in which the victim was then shot 3-4 times. Plymouth County District Attorney Tim Cruz joined us to discuss this case and the dangers of road rage.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Constance News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Over the weekend, actually Friday night, there was a horrific
murder homicide in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and we're going to talk
with the Plymouth County District Attorney, Tim Cruz in just
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we're going to talk with the Plymouth County District Attorney,
(01:32):
Tim Cruz. Tim, you have just been elected to a
National District Attorney's Association. First of all, tell us we'll
go to the good news before we go to the
bad news.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, I've been elected. I've been lucky enough. I'm a
member of the National Districttorneys Association for a number of
years now. I've been one of the vice presidents for
a number of years, and last summer I was voted
in this president elect. So in twenty twenty five, I'll
be taking over the reigns of the National DA's Association,
which consists really of twenty you know, more than twenty
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five hundred local and state procutors office across America with
more than six thousand members and really bringing things together.
The mission of the DAS or try to seek justice
in our cases, trying to make sure we can put
best practices together and try to make sure we can
keep people safe. And it's really an honor and a
privilege to do and I'm looking forward to do it.
And as a matter of fact, today I was with
some of the some of my other electors from across
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America at a meeting down down Washington, d C. Down
the Pom the Justice and seeing where we're going next steps.
So I'm very excited about it, and I'm looking forward
to working hard to make sure we can continue to
do good work that's been happen around here.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Is this the same group, By the way, I'm told
that we have a winner for those Celtic tickets, so
you can stop calling the number. The pholds are going
crazy here and and you you obviously weren't able to call.
So is this the same organization that our good mutual friend,
John Blodgett at one point was the president of.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, it is this. When I become president next summer,
it'll be the seventy fifth year of the National DA's Association,
which is really the largest prosecutors association in America. And
John was the president probably I think it was back
four or five years back. And John did a trumendous
job and was able to, you know, really get get
me involved in the whole program and dealing with a
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lot of the issues. And I'm thankful to him for that.
And you know, as we go forward, we see the
many challenges that we face. There's so many things going
on a daily basis, and our job is so busy,
and you're juggling a lot of balls in the air
making sure that you know, you can keep your offices
running the way they should be, make sure it's funded,
make sure you get best practices, make sure that people
understand you what the prosecutor does. That we continue to
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work on the front end of many different things, helping
kids who are dragging dangered kids, would challenge advers, challenge experiences,
all sorts of things, and you know, on the back
end in the middle, we have specialty courts and we're
trying to help people. That's our goal. But sometimes obviously
and obviously the best way you can help our community
and help victims and make sure that victims have put
where they belong in the forefront rather than the back burner.
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We need to make sure that people understand that. All
too often, you know, we live in a world where defendants,
the treated victims, and the real victims are invisible. We
need to make sure that our victims are heard. And
that's what really is the challenge I think many times nowadays.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think it was also a d a DAP in
Syracuse Bill Fitzpatrick, who I've interviewed as well, who was
also one of your predecessors. So you're in some good
company and they have a great successor. Let's talk about
what happened in Plymouth on Friday night. This is as
bizarre a shooting that I can imagine. This is five
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thirty at night on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, and a Friday night, and a beautiful night
don and Plymouth, if you recall, the weather was really nice.
And you know where this event took place. It was
right off of Main Street, which is really the middle
of the road. It's the road that the Plymouth parades
go down every year. And there's a side street, a
middle street, which has a town talking area and many
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people pocket vehicles there and that's why you know, thirty
five forty five Friday night on this terrible event occurred,
which has changed people's lives and also it really affects
the community.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah again, I know that you've commented on it, but
there is a twenty three year old who's facing a
charge of murder, one count of murder, discharging a firearm
within five hundred feet of a building, reckless endangerment of
a child, improper storage for a firearm, negligent operation of
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a motor vehicle, improper storage of AMMO, and possession of
large capacity FEITI device. And this guy had his eighteen
month old son in the backseat of his car when
there was some sort of a fender bender. This is
this was over a fender bender.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It appears the it was a minor traffic incident and
it certainly escalated out of control and it well, you know,
I mean, the only thing that common in all these
events day and that you see is that really everybody loses.
Everybody loses. You know, the defendant now has significant issues
he's going to have to deal in the court system.
The victims. Stanley is always going to be changed, it's
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always going to be different. A man's lost his life,
and it affects a very quiet town like America's hometown
of Plymouth, and you know they're down there and the
plot players think did a great job that night they
showed up and really quieted the area down there. But
you know that's the sort of news that you know,
no town wants to have that. No town wants to
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have something happening in a beautiful the area where people
are going. It's very crowded, you know, in the Fall area.
So it's really it's too bad that. You know, those
are the issues that we're going to have to deal with.
You know, we're going to continue to do like we
always do. You know, we'll do a job, slow, methodical.
The defendant was arranged today in those charges. He was
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held with out bail as usually as the norm with
you know, homicide allegations. Yeah, he usually as a presenttion,
you're gonna held without bail. He's held without bail in
case was put over to December thirteenth, and the investigation
might remains ongoing and we'll go from ford from there.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, there's the judge that set bail or denied bail.
Scott Peterson is a really solid judge. Obviously, the defense attorney,
I think it's Jack Edward. I will probably take that
up and appeal it to a superior cord. But I mean,
one guy did forty one years old he has a
couple of kids, as I understand it, and this guy
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had an eighteen month old baby boy in the backseat
of his own car. And this is all over a
fender bender. That's what lives. One life lost, the other
life has been impacted forever. The eighteen month old child,
he's going to be without a dad for probably some
period of time unless somehow, some way the circumstances that
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we are unaware of, and both of them apparently had
license to carry.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was an absolute tragedy. The
victim in this case didn't have any weapons on him,
but you know, the the whatever whatever preceded the event, which,
like I said, which is still remains on going matter
right now, as we go forward with it, whatever happened
between them, will get to the bottom of that, like
we always do, and then we will eventually make a
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determination as the direction.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is going to go.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It will go to the next step in the court system,
and eventually it will end up in superior court where
all homicide cases go. And you know, but you're right,
I mean, it just it just it just affects so
many people. It is a pebble on the pond that
ripple effect that now affects the entire area, if affects families,
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and like I said, the only thing that everybody has
in common, and I've seen it over the years, you know,
my twenty three years is da you walk in these
court rooms and everybody loses, you know, and that's why,
you know, we have to make sure that you know,
there's such a I'm not even talking about this case,
but such a lack of civility in the world nowadays.
People have such short uses over nothing, and I think that, Yeah,
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it's so frustrating when you see things like that, and
people need to understand that. And hopefully maybe somebody will
see this and say, you know what, keep you cool. Nothing,
nothing out there is worth it. You know, your family,
your family's fine, nobody get hurt. Well, let's have a conversation,
let's exchange papers and go from there. Because any damage
and motor vehicles, you know. But unfortunately this thing, this
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thing didn't go that way. And now we we're with
all the people, were all these individuals and all these
circumstances going on down the Plymouth, and I said, we'll
deal with it as we will.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, my understanding is there was some representations in courte
today and they know that you were in Washington, so
you don't have to comment to this. But my understanding
is that after the individual was shot and was on
the ground, that the shooter apparently got out of his
car might have fired again, and then once he realized
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the guy was you know, pert that badly tried to
deliver to administer CPR. Now, jess what what an insane
scene in the middle of Plymouth on a Friday night
and it helps hurts everyone and and helps no one.
Mister District Attorney, Tim Cruise, thank you for giving us
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a little bit of background on again. Congratulations on your election.
I'm gonna invite callers after after we bid you a
do tonight to join the conversation because I think there's
a lot of wistome in what you have to say
for us tonight. Thank you, Tim Cruise, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
When we come back, and we do have a winner
of those tickets when we come back, i'd like to
hear from you. I'm gonna go over this in a
little more detail, some of the reports to out of
the newspapers and television stations that I have read here
will walk through this incident, but I'd love to know
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what is I mean. I think the lesson is exactly
what Tim Cruz said. But my question is how can
you find yourself in that situation where somehow someway over
This was a minor This was a minor fender bender.
I'm gonna break it down and I'd love to have
you participate, particularly if you're from the South Shore, because
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this was an absolute unnecessary tragedy for both families. You
know the number six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
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We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
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Speaker 2 (11:54):
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Congratulations Bob Chapman, thanks for listening to Night's Side. We
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week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Let's take you back
to Plymouth. Okay, it's Friday night. If you remember Friday night,
it was a really lovely evening. So you have two
people involved in this. There's a twenty three year old guy.
His name is David Jerome, really not that important. He's
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driving a Toyota rav four. He has its eighteen month
old son in a car seat. Just before six o'clock
on Friday night, apparently he gets into some sort of
a fender bender with a gentleman named Brent Berkeley. He's
forty one years old. He's driving his jeep. Berkeley was
shot several times, taken to a local hospital, and died
(13:00):
to an article in The Patriot Ledger written by David
Smith and Jessica Truffont Jerome. David Jerome, twenty three years old,
father of an eighteen month old, arraigned in Plymouth District
Court on Monday today, charged with one of one count
each of murder, discharging a firearm within five hundred feet
of a building, reckless endangerment of a child, improper storage
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of a firearm, negligence operation of a motor vehicle, improper
storage of ammunition, and possession of a large capacity feeding device.
Witnesses claimed that this guy had had a beard at
a local bar. He bought a couple to go home.
He's heading home and in the parking lot. This is
not a classic road rage incident out on Root four
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ninety five or Root three where people pull off the
side of the road. I remember the story this is
several years ago, where a couple of guys were going
at it in the car, you know, jumping up in
front of each other, blasting the horn. And I guess
they pulled off into one of the parking areas and
they both got out of the car. One guy went
to the trunk. He had a crossbow. He fired the crossbow,
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hit the other guy right below his sternam and hit
pierced his heart dead. I think the guy with the
crossbow probably still in jail. That was as bizarre. So
this murder was more of This homicide was more of
a run of the mill homicide. So, according to what
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was presented in open court, Jerome was the guy who
is the shooter allegedly was texting and driving in the
parking lot when he allegedly rearins Berkeley in a town
owned parking lot on Middle Street. The witness reported seeing
Berkeley get out of the car to confront Jerome, who
remained in his car. Allegation is that Berkeley punched Jerome
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in the face, and then Jerome fired several shots to
his open car window, shooting Berkeley in the chest abdomen.
This according to the Assistant DA Witnesses, according to the
Patriot Ledgers, said Jerome then got out of his car,
approached Berkeley, who was on the ground, and shot him
several times while saying something along the lines of don't move.
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Witnesses said Jerome then said something like don't give up
to Berkeley before he started to perform CPR. Oh my god.
Police on the scene moments later, Jerome was taken into custody. Berkeley,
taking a Beth Israel deacon his hospital in Plymouth, pronounced
dead from his wounds less than an hour later, at
six twenty eight pm. According to the district attorney, the
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assistant district attorney who appeared in court today, Jeremy Kusman, said,
no matter how you look at it, this is a
case of overkill. The defense asked for one hundred thousand
dollars cash bail or one hundred thousand dollars bail, which
would be probably ten thousand dollars bond, suggesting it was
a case of self defense. The defense attorney Jack got
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Edwards said Jerome had no criminal record, lives with his girlfriend,
and their child doesn't live there anymore, at least for now.
That would suggest it could be a case of self defense,
arguing that Berkeley had four bullet holes in his hand
and therefore could have been reaching for the gun. We'll
see how that works out. They are witnesses. So the
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question I have is, are you haven't any second thoughts
when you're out driving as to who's in the road
with you? I know I am. Are you having any
second thoughts as to how you might respond if somebody
crawls up behind you on or four ninety five and
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is flashing their lights and wants you to get out
of the way because they're obviously more important than you are.
You know, I certainly at this point figure if that
person's in that much of a rush, I'm pulling into
the middle lane and let him go bother someone else.
You haven't any second thoughts about somebody who maybe you're
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driving on a city street or something, and I don't
know worries are exchanged. I mean, this now is becoming
too commonplace, in my opinion, and this cost one guy
his life. Had to get out of the car to
exchange papers. But I don't know what was said. I
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wasn't there. I don't know what threats were made. There
is a report that one of the articles I read
was that Jerome had been in a the defendant of
this case had been in some sort of an argument
with another driver shortly before that. I don't know. I
don't know. The authorities will figure it out, we probably,
(17:53):
I don't know. If this is this, this won't be
covered like the Karen Reid case, you know, day after
day after day in court. Sad to say, but as
bizarre as this case is, it's almost a run of
the mill homicide. The fact that it occurred at five
thirty on a Friday afternoon, You got the weekend in
front of your people. Come on, what are you thinking?
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What are you thinking? Do you think you're gonna be
able to shoot somebody a couple of times and they
just drive away. It's not the it's not the old
wild West. You're not Wyatt Up or Billy the kid.
I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm a
Second Amendment guy. People should have the right to carry
if they want. But but boy, I'll tell you what
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a life changing moment in time for two families. We'll
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Speaker 1 (21:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
All right, let's get to the phone. It's gonna go
to Mike Is in Rosendale. Mike, we're talking about a
really senseless situation. Don in Plymouth. They can kill that
music if you want, Dan, that'd be great. I think
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Now I can talk to Mike from Rosendale.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Hi, Mike, how are you all right? So here's one
possibility that happened. Yeah, first of all, before you went
to break and gave the did all your advertisements and
so forth. A moment or two ago you mentioned that
there was a possibility or maybe I missed up, maybe
I'm misunderstolled you. I don't know about the rest of
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the audience out there and in the Boston area, but
did you mention that this was this could have been
the possibility of just the run of the mill road
rage or you just weren't sure?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, it was. It was an accident in a parking lot.
So it was originally reported as road rage. When I
think of road rage, I think of, you know, two
guys or whatever out on one twenty eight or four
ninety five, who were you know, passing each other and
all of that sort of stuff. Uh, this was a
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fender bender in a parking lot, so, and it quickly
escalated into an outrageous situation. But it wasn't as if
they were out on four eight. That's what I if
I confused you, I apologize.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, that's okay. What I'm thinking this could have been
could have been. Okay. These two foxes, excuse me, might
have had history. Might and they had an old school
to celebrate between the two of them, with one of
them having their child in the fact seat that was
not smart. That kid, that kid could be pushing up
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browses right now.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, there's a question about that. Yeah, this, you know,
I only I was not in court today, so I
will tell you that I I read as many reports
of the court proceed proceedings as I could, and there's
no suggestion that there was a prior even though it
was in the middle of Plymouth. I don't know that
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there was any prior interaction between these two, these two
individuals the shooter lived in.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
There was also this one other thing they I don't know.
I mentioned the whole thing about maybe the possibility of
a score to settle this. This could have been a
thing where, you know, just just a simple road rage
that can out that get out of hand. Unfortunately, both
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of their lives are early one on one that one
guy's dead and the other guys looking at uh you know,
at the bare minimum, uh first degree or second agree,
mad flaughter, if not first agree or whatever, I don't know,
but the.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Screws, Yeah, yeah, well, let me just say this, their
lives have changed forever. I mean, this is not a
couple of guys who when you think about it, let's
assume that they got out of the car. Uh, and
they threw a couple of punches at each other and
the cops and the police arrested them for us each
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with for assault and battery. You know that's going to
probably end up in nothing, okay, But when you have
the loss of life. Uh this First of all, the
guy who's dead is dead. There's nothing that kid's going
to be done for him to help him or to
hurt him. He's dead, and his family has lost it.
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I saw, Yeah, I saw pictures of his parents in
the courtroom today. And you know, he's forty one years old,
so his parents look to be like they were somewhere
in their you know, mid to late sixties. I don't
know how many children they have or you know, but
obviously it destroys their family. That's number one.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, the family is ruined.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah. He apparently had a couple of kids with with
his either partner girlfriend wife, I'm not sure which the
other guy. He's got an eighteen year old kid in
the back seat of the eighteen month old child in
the back seat of the car. As you said, if
the other guy had had a gun, and apparently the
other guy had a license to carry but didn't have
a gun with him. I just I think to myself, there,
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but for the great of God, could go any one
of us. You know, you're in a parking lot or whatever. Sorry, Okay,
thank you very much. Nice to talk with you. Okay, Okay,
that's strange. Let me go next to Rodney and Boston. Hey, Rodney,
how are you tonight? How are you I'm doing Okay, Rodney,
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Well, I've spoken to you before about when Boston said
they have the best streets and also about the snowstorm.
So I'm a lift driver and I drive around Boston
or Eastern mass almost every day, and it is getting
worse out there. The road rage. People get mad at
anything and they'll get on your tail. I've been flipped
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off because I let a cargo in front of me.
I stop, and I stop sign and people want me
to go right away and it and when you want
to try and switch lanes, they want.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
To block you.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
So it's very aggressive out there, and it's not rage.
It's just that the anger that they carry with them
and what they do to you. They don't even know you,
they don't you don't talk to you, but they're taking
it out on you. And so there's something wrong with
us that people are so pent up that they just
one little thing will set them off, Like what happened
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, let me ask you, and you're you're you're driving
a lot. Have you ever had anybody truly threaten you, meaning, uh,
you know, point to a weapon towards you, or actually
you know, like you know, put a finger at you,
like they're holding a gun or anything like that, if
I got to know.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
But one night I was at a red light and
someone went around me and turned right, and I beeped
at him, and he started to back up towards me,
and I go, oh crap, what did I do? And
I didn't know he had a gun, So I backed up.
I went in the parking lot. He came. We went
around a couple of times, and I was able to
get to the street and book down the street and
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not even having indication whether he was playing with me
or whatever. But the fact that he backed up and
kind of followed me was will of disheartening.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, Well, particularly if you're out driving late at night.
This was five thirty or just before. It's five thirty
six o'clock, so it's you know, sun's going down last
Friday night. This is not twelve thirty in the morning,
when people might be you know, half of the rapper
and do things that they would later regret. I just don't.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I actually I drive over night.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I drive overnight. I tend to find people overnight are
doing pretty well. It's the morning. At six o'clock people
start coming in driving bath being aggressive. So at nighttime
is great to drive.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, maybe maybe people are more relaxed.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I don't know, or just.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's frightening when you realize that not only are you
out of the road, but other family members can be
out in the road. I have two children who are
doubt children, and they're out driving. My wife drives. You know,
I have a brother or sister in law, other family,
friends and members, and you never know who was gonna
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run in to the crazy person.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And well, the crazy person could be a lady or
a man or whomever. So's it's interesting to see how
people react when nothing's going on, but they react to it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah. I don't know if you you don't sound to
me like you're old enough to remember this story, but
it was about probably about twenty years ago. There were
these two guys who were, you know, passing one another somewhere.
I think it was on ninety five or one of
the major roadways, and so they both pulled off into
sort of one of the rest areas and they both
jumped out of the car. An older guy went into
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the trunk of his car and he pulled out a crossbow,
you like something of a Robin Hood movie. And he
fired the crossbow and got the guy right in the heart.
I'll be dead before he hit the ground. This was
in Massachusetts. Someone will remember that case, what year it was.
And I assume that the guy that did it is
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still walked up. Maybe he's done his time. I don't know.
I'll look it up during the break here and try
to give you more exact but you know, no one
probably when that when the two of those peeled off
the road. I'm sure that the victim, the guy who
eventually died, didn't think to himself, you know, if I
pull off here with this nut job, he's gonna kill
me with a crossbow. Never thought about it. He probably thought, oh,
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I'll beat the guy up, or you know, I'm a
tough guy. Even if he has a gun, he won't
shoot it at a crossbow.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
You know, I'm thinking that every time I see someone
that that threatens me. I'm thinking I got to shut
up and just keep going and not react. And I
find myself wanting to react because it angers you. When
someone is just so attacking of you. They don't know you,
they're never going to see you again. They make you
the target of their anger.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Rodney, I agree with you. So how old are you?
You don't remember that story?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I said, well, you're at eight, actually, and I do
remember something about that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh you said you're fifty eight. Okay, great, Okay, no problem,
so you yes, you sound younger. Thanks Rodney. Keep in
touch and keep listening and keep calling. Okay, appreciate you, dame.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Take care my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Have it great. Now we'll take a quick break here
on night Side, and I may be able to find
that crossbowl story. But I got Phil and David coming up.
Got room for you. We're changing topics, by the way,
at ten o'clock, So if you want to get in,
now's the time of dial six one, seven, two, five
four to ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The so called Crossbowl murder occurred here in Massachusetts in
the mid nineteen nineties. Donald Graham was convicted of killing
an Attleborough man or Interstate ninety five with a razor
tipped crossbowl bolt on February twentieth, nineteen ninety four, in
a case that received national intention concerning the issue of
road rage. Graham, a church deacon from Wunsaka, Rhode Island,
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is serving life prison life prison turn without the possibility
of parole at mc I Shirley for first screen murder.
He filed an appeal and that's the latest I could
find out, so as as of August of twenty thirteen,
he was still in prison. We'll try to figure just unbelievable.
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Apparently there was a book written about this as well. Anyway,
Let's look, it can happen. Where are we going to
go next? Let me go to Phil in Boston. Phil,
you are next on Nightside. I appreciate you calling in.
Get my my mouse working here and I'll bring you
right up. Phil. Welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Right, you're hitting the right subject that I thought that
was a little twenty four.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
It was a guy in whatever I got.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, turn your radio down. Will you feel I'm hearing
in the background? Its distracting to me, it's probably distracting.
I'm sure that the DAN told you to turn that
radio down. You're a veteran.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
It's just it's just there's no more civility.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
There's nothing. There's not no one cares anymore.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I mean, there's a lady to get but there's gotta
be some education.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And you get people riding around on bike lanes with
motor schools and everything is falling apart. They when something happens,
then then they come in and they, oh, yeah, we're
gonna do this for them. Well you ever think that
maybe you've been doing this before, Like maybe let these
kids are driving around the motor schools with no helmets.
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So I'm driving going right through red lights, people on
bikes and pedal bikes going through red lakes. People on
bike lanes that go on on pedal bikes on the
sidewalk behind you going the wrong way, steps away from
enough by the bike lane. They're spending more money in
bike lanes, and now you've got people on the on
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the sidewalk. I thought trying to get rid.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Of that, right, Phil, Phil, I don't want you to
have a heart attack on me here. Yeah. I don't
mean too upset you man, Just I hear you. I
think you raise good points. It's crazy out there, it's
just and don't get involved in the craziness, you know,
just let it go by you, Okay.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I would I just one quick Slavill my years ago,
oil was in his auto post place in a social
community and it was selling these box cutters at the
at the register and I said, excuse this in all sense,
all this is about twenty years ago, lawless roadways going on,
and they just have a worth.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
I said, do you think it's could have it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Or let me buy some oil for a mission?
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Flwood, Oh, give me a box cut of while you're
at it. And then I the guy, well, I don't know.
I went to the I went to the police station.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Phil, this really doesn't relate to what we're talking about today.
And I got out of the calls I got to
go to. So I appreciate your call, and I appreciate
the story. We'll talk so thank you much. Let me
go to David and Worcester. David, next time nights, I
want to get you in one more in please go.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Right ahead, David, believing in them. You know, this is yeah,
this is a sad it's it's a very sad and
tragic situation. When I am yes, you know, the gentleman
just spoke. You know, it's on the right point in
terms of you know, people's you know, egos and you know,
and what what happened to people. But I say this
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when I have been honored with the privilege of advising people,
I tell them, especially if I say, when you drive,
one of the things you must not forget to do
is drive with your ego humility, a humble ego and
rather I'm sorry, humility and not your ego. And and
you know, the important thing is that the human, the
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complex human brain that we have, was not equipped with
cameras so that we can know exactly what exchange before
this happens. But I say that to say, not to
blame any good, but to say, you know, I advise
people that if there's an accident, you know, if you're
the first to come out to a port, the other person,
come with your papers of follow me your papers. And
but first of all, just his first sentiment should be
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you know, is everybody okay, you know, a concern for
the other people, and often do your papers and then
you can ask them for their papers because if you
come on.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
The thing that was interesting about this one, David, was
it was literally a fender bender in a parking lot.
If this was a serious accident that it caused injury
to somebody, you can see where people would be upset.
But this was a fender bender in a parking lot
at five thirty quarter six on a beautiful Friday afternoon
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and one person ends up dead.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Well egos, Yeah, for egos, egos. You know, you know
anything could be could be too big, and you know,
so you know exactly. It's very it's very sad.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Absolutely well, said David. I want to get one more
in as well as always great to hear your voice.
Next time, I'll give you more time if you caught
a little earlier. But like that, thanks, Thanks David.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Be Well.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Harriet in Tewkesbury, Harriet your next one nice, I can run.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Ahead, Hi, stan Well.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
We do deliveries and pickups for grub Hub and my
husband and eye and we've had people beeping at us
because you have to you don't know where the houses.
I have to slow down, looks the streets, the numbers,
the fingers, the middle things. But the worst one was
about a month or so ago. We were picking up
the Windy's and bill Rica and we were delivering to Wilmington.
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This guy in a white truck kept following us and
following us all the way to almost where we were
going to drop off. Then he cut us off completely
across the road so we couldn't go anywhere. Opened his
door flew open and came over to my husband's side,
the driver's side instead of pomding and pomding on the
window with his fists. I was so scared the window
(37:43):
was going to break. It was horrible. So I called
the police and they said, well, you have to come
down and make a report and everything. So after we
dropped off the delivery, we went to the Wilmington. I
thought we were in bill Rica, but we were actually
in Wilmington. Anyway, After the police in Wilmington made a
report and every thing, and they said that they would
contact us and see whatever. A couple of days went by,
(38:05):
we kept calling. Finally they said they did find him
and he and now we're an elderly couple and Senia's
and the police said, well, he said, you cut him off,
which we didn't, but you cut him off. He thought
you were wise teenagers. Now he came to my husband's side.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
He could must be the youngest looking senior couple. We're all,
that's ridiculous. You take that as a compliment, okay, but I.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Mean it was.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
It's the one that the glass didn't break. And anyway,
he said, oh, don't worry. The policeman said, don't worry
about it. He doesn't you know, he doesn't know where
you living. You don't know he lives. And he apologized, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's fine, but they should have run a little see
if this guy's been involved in other that's poor police work.
They should have said to you, look, this guy's got
a clean driving record. Have no idea what happened, but
if he had, if he had had a serious other incidents,
it would have been they should have done something on it. Hey, Harry,
I gotta get trying to get one more in in
thirty seconds, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Okay, thank you, yeah, any time, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'm gonna get Steve in from Rhode Island. Steve. I
only got about thirty seconds before the news go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Hi, dam thank you.
Speaker 10 (39:16):
I just wanted to tell you your listeners. I just
recently watched the movie about road rage, the most terrifying
movie I've ever starring Russell Crowe. It's from twenty twenty
and it's called Unhinged. Yeah, all right, Paul thinks just
started by someone just beeping the horn in a light
a little bit too line and the rest. I'm not
gonna tell you because it's beyond your belief what happens.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Okay, thanks Steve, I know exactly who this is, my friend.
You got to call more off and I miss talking
to you. Okay, thank you so much, good talking to you.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
The movie is Unhinged with Russell Crowe. Thanks. There's a
movie selection. Thank you, Thanks Steve. All Right, we're done.
We're going to talk next hour about Paula and why
are there a lot of big political institutions not endorsing
this year. Feel free. We'll open it up right after
the ten
It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Constance News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Over the weekend, actually Friday night, there was a horrific
murder homicide in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and we're going to talk
with the Plymouth County District Attorney, Tim Cruz in just
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Tim Cruz. Tim, you have just been elected to a
National District Attorney's Association. First of all, tell us we'll
go to the good news before we go to the
bad news.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, I've been elected. I've been lucky enough. I'm a
member of the National Districttorneys Association for a number of
years now. I've been one of the vice presidents for
a number of years, and last summer I was voted
in this president elect. So in twenty twenty five, I'll
be taking over the reigns of the National DA's Association,
which consists really of twenty you know, more than twenty
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five hundred local and state procutors office across America with
more than six thousand members and really bringing things together.
The mission of the DAS or try to seek justice
in our cases, trying to make sure we can put
best practices together and try to make sure we can
keep people safe. And it's really an honor and a
privilege to do and I'm looking forward to do it.
And as a matter of fact, today I was with
some of the some of my other electors from across
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America at a meeting down down Washington, d C. Down
the Pom the Justice and seeing where we're going next steps.
So I'm very excited about it, and I'm looking forward
to working hard to make sure we can continue to
do good work that's been happen around here.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Is this the same group, By the way, I'm told
that we have a winner for those Celtic tickets, so
you can stop calling the number. The pholds are going
crazy here and and you you obviously weren't able to call.
So is this the same organization that our good mutual friend,
John Blodgett at one point was the president of.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, it is this. When I become president next summer,
it'll be the seventy fifth year of the National DA's Association,
which is really the largest prosecutors association in America. And
John was the president probably I think it was back
four or five years back. And John did a trumendous
job and was able to, you know, really get get
me involved in the whole program and dealing with a
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lot of the issues. And I'm thankful to him for that.
And you know, as we go forward, we see the
many challenges that we face. There's so many things going
on a daily basis, and our job is so busy,
and you're juggling a lot of balls in the air
making sure that you know, you can keep your offices
running the way they should be, make sure it's funded,
make sure you get best practices, make sure that people
understand you what the prosecutor does. That we continue to
(03:44):
work on the front end of many different things, helping
kids who are dragging dangered kids, would challenge advers, challenge experiences,
all sorts of things, and you know, on the back
end in the middle, we have specialty courts and we're
trying to help people. That's our goal. But sometimes obviously
and obviously the best way you can help our community
and help victims and make sure that victims have put
where they belong in the forefront rather than the back burner.
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We need to make sure that people understand that. All
too often, you know, we live in a world where defendants,
the treated victims, and the real victims are invisible. We
need to make sure that our victims are heard. And
that's what really is the challenge I think many times nowadays.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think it was also a d a DAP in
Syracuse Bill Fitzpatrick, who I've interviewed as well, who was
also one of your predecessors. So you're in some good
company and they have a great successor. Let's talk about
what happened in Plymouth on Friday night. This is as
bizarre a shooting that I can imagine. This is five
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thirty at night on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, and a Friday night, and a beautiful night
don and Plymouth, if you recall, the weather was really nice.
And you know where this event took place. It was
right off of Main Street, which is really the middle
of the road. It's the road that the Plymouth parades
go down every year. And there's a side street, a
middle street, which has a town talking area and many
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people pocket vehicles there and that's why you know, thirty
five forty five Friday night on this terrible event occurred,
which has changed people's lives and also it really affects
the community.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah again, I know that you've commented on it, but
there is a twenty three year old who's facing a
charge of murder, one count of murder, discharging a firearm
within five hundred feet of a building, reckless endangerment of
a child, improper storage for a firearm, negligent operation of
(05:42):
a motor vehicle, improper storage of AMMO, and possession of
large capacity FEITI device. And this guy had his eighteen
month old son in the backseat of his car when
there was some sort of a fender bender. This is
this was over a fender bender.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It appears the it was a minor traffic incident and
it certainly escalated out of control and it well, you know,
I mean, the only thing that common in all these
events day and that you see is that really everybody loses.
Everybody loses. You know, the defendant now has significant issues
he's going to have to deal in the court system.
The victims. Stanley is always going to be changed, it's
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always going to be different. A man's lost his life,
and it affects a very quiet town like America's hometown
of Plymouth, and you know they're down there and the
plot players think did a great job that night they
showed up and really quieted the area down there. But
you know that's the sort of news that you know,
no town wants to have that. No town wants to
(06:40):
have something happening in a beautiful the area where people
are going. It's very crowded, you know, in the Fall area.
So it's really it's too bad that. You know, those
are the issues that we're going to have to deal with.
You know, we're going to continue to do like we
always do. You know, we'll do a job, slow, methodical.
The defendant was arranged today in those charges. He was
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held with out bail as usually as the norm with
you know, homicide allegations. Yeah, he usually as a presenttion,
you're gonna held without bail. He's held without bail in
case was put over to December thirteenth, and the investigation
might remains ongoing and we'll go from ford from there.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, there's the judge that set bail or denied bail.
Scott Peterson is a really solid judge. Obviously, the defense attorney,
I think it's Jack Edward. I will probably take that
up and appeal it to a superior cord. But I mean,
one guy did forty one years old he has a
couple of kids, as I understand it, and this guy
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had an eighteen month old baby boy in the backseat
of his own car. And this is all over a
fender bender. That's what lives. One life lost, the other
life has been impacted forever. The eighteen month old child,
he's going to be without a dad for probably some
period of time unless somehow, some way the circumstances that
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we are unaware of, and both of them apparently had
license to carry.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was an absolute tragedy. The
victim in this case didn't have any weapons on him,
but you know, the the whatever whatever preceded the event, which,
like I said, which is still remains on going matter
right now, as we go forward with it, whatever happened
between them, will get to the bottom of that, like
we always do, and then we will eventually make a
(08:30):
determination as the direction.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is going to go.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It will go to the next step in the court system,
and eventually it will end up in superior court where
all homicide cases go. And you know, but you're right,
I mean, it just it just it just affects so
many people. It is a pebble on the pond that
ripple effect that now affects the entire area, if affects families,
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and like I said, the only thing that everybody has
in common, and I've seen it over the years, you know,
my twenty three years is da you walk in these
court rooms and everybody loses, you know, and that's why,
you know, we have to make sure that you know,
there's such a I'm not even talking about this case,
but such a lack of civility in the world nowadays.
People have such short uses over nothing, and I think that, Yeah,
(09:16):
it's so frustrating when you see things like that, and
people need to understand that. And hopefully maybe somebody will
see this and say, you know what, keep you cool. Nothing,
nothing out there is worth it. You know, your family,
your family's fine, nobody get hurt. Well, let's have a conversation,
let's exchange papers and go from there. Because any damage
and motor vehicles, you know. But unfortunately this thing, this
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thing didn't go that way. And now we we're with
all the people, were all these individuals and all these
circumstances going on down the Plymouth, and I said, we'll
deal with it as we will.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, my understanding is there was some representations in courte
today and they know that you were in Washington, so
you don't have to comment to this. But my understanding
is that after the individual was shot and was on
the ground, that the shooter apparently got out of his
car might have fired again, and then once he realized
(10:08):
the guy was you know, pert that badly tried to
deliver to administer CPR. Now, jess what what an insane
scene in the middle of Plymouth on a Friday night
and it helps hurts everyone and and helps no one.
Mister District Attorney, Tim Cruise, thank you for giving us
(10:29):
a little bit of background on again. Congratulations on your election.
I'm gonna invite callers after after we bid you a
do tonight to join the conversation because I think there's
a lot of wistome in what you have to say
for us tonight. Thank you, Tim Cruise, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
When we come back, and we do have a winner
of those tickets when we come back, i'd like to
hear from you. I'm gonna go over this in a
little more detail, some of the reports to out of
the newspapers and television stations that I have read here
will walk through this incident, but I'd love to know
(11:09):
what is I mean. I think the lesson is exactly
what Tim Cruz said. But my question is how can
you find yourself in that situation where somehow someway over
This was a minor This was a minor fender bender.
I'm gonna break it down and I'd love to have
you participate, particularly if you're from the South Shore, because
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this was an absolute unnecessary tragedy for both families. You
know the number six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
thirty and six one, seven, nine three one tenth thirty.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Light Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
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Congratulations Bob Chapman, thanks for listening to Night's Side. We
will have a pair of these tickets every night this
week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Let's take you back
to Plymouth. Okay, it's Friday night. If you remember Friday night,
it was a really lovely evening. So you have two
people involved in this. There's a twenty three year old guy.
His name is David Jerome, really not that important. He's
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driving a Toyota rav four. He has its eighteen month
old son in a car seat. Just before six o'clock
on Friday night, apparently he gets into some sort of
a fender bender with a gentleman named Brent Berkeley. He's
forty one years old. He's driving his jeep. Berkeley was
shot several times, taken to a local hospital, and died
(13:00):
to an article in The Patriot Ledger written by David
Smith and Jessica Truffont Jerome. David Jerome, twenty three years old,
father of an eighteen month old, arraigned in Plymouth District
Court on Monday today, charged with one of one count
each of murder, discharging a firearm within five hundred feet
of a building, reckless endangerment of a child, improper storage
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of a firearm, negligence operation of a motor vehicle, improper
storage of ammunition, and possession of a large capacity feeding device.
Witnesses claimed that this guy had had a beard at
a local bar. He bought a couple to go home.
He's heading home and in the parking lot. This is
not a classic road rage incident out on Root four
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ninety five or Root three where people pull off the
side of the road. I remember the story this is
several years ago, where a couple of guys were going
at it in the car, you know, jumping up in
front of each other, blasting the horn. And I guess
they pulled off into one of the parking areas and
they both got out of the car. One guy went
to the trunk. He had a crossbow. He fired the crossbow,
(14:08):
hit the other guy right below his sternam and hit
pierced his heart dead. I think the guy with the
crossbow probably still in jail. That was as bizarre. So
this murder was more of This homicide was more of
a run of the mill homicide. So, according to what
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was presented in open court, Jerome was the guy who
is the shooter allegedly was texting and driving in the
parking lot when he allegedly rearins Berkeley in a town
owned parking lot on Middle Street. The witness reported seeing
Berkeley get out of the car to confront Jerome, who
remained in his car. Allegation is that Berkeley punched Jerome
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in the face, and then Jerome fired several shots to
his open car window, shooting Berkeley in the chest abdomen.
This according to the Assistant DA Witnesses, according to the
Patriot Ledgers, said Jerome then got out of his car,
approached Berkeley, who was on the ground, and shot him
several times while saying something along the lines of don't move.
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Witnesses said Jerome then said something like don't give up
to Berkeley before he started to perform CPR. Oh my god.
Police on the scene moments later, Jerome was taken into custody. Berkeley,
taking a Beth Israel deacon his hospital in Plymouth, pronounced
dead from his wounds less than an hour later, at
six twenty eight pm. According to the district attorney, the
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assistant district attorney who appeared in court today, Jeremy Kusman, said,
no matter how you look at it, this is a
case of overkill. The defense asked for one hundred thousand
dollars cash bail or one hundred thousand dollars bail, which
would be probably ten thousand dollars bond, suggesting it was
a case of self defense. The defense attorney Jack got
(16:00):
Edwards said Jerome had no criminal record, lives with his girlfriend,
and their child doesn't live there anymore, at least for now.
That would suggest it could be a case of self defense,
arguing that Berkeley had four bullet holes in his hand
and therefore could have been reaching for the gun. We'll
see how that works out. They are witnesses. So the
(16:21):
question I have is, are you haven't any second thoughts
when you're out driving as to who's in the road
with you? I know I am. Are you having any
second thoughts as to how you might respond if somebody
crawls up behind you on or four ninety five and
(16:45):
is flashing their lights and wants you to get out
of the way because they're obviously more important than you are.
You know, I certainly at this point figure if that
person's in that much of a rush, I'm pulling into
the middle lane and let him go bother someone else.
You haven't any second thoughts about somebody who maybe you're
(17:08):
driving on a city street or something, and I don't
know worries are exchanged. I mean, this now is becoming
too commonplace, in my opinion, and this cost one guy
his life. Had to get out of the car to
exchange papers. But I don't know what was said. I
(17:30):
wasn't there. I don't know what threats were made. There
is a report that one of the articles I read
was that Jerome had been in a the defendant of
this case had been in some sort of an argument
with another driver shortly before that. I don't know. I
don't know. The authorities will figure it out, we probably,
(17:53):
I don't know. If this is this, this won't be
covered like the Karen Reid case, you know, day after
day after day in court. Sad to say, but as
bizarre as this case is, it's almost a run of
the mill homicide. The fact that it occurred at five
thirty on a Friday afternoon, You got the weekend in
front of your people. Come on, what are you thinking?
(18:15):
What are you thinking? Do you think you're gonna be
able to shoot somebody a couple of times and they
just drive away. It's not the it's not the old
wild West. You're not Wyatt Up or Billy the kid.
I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm a
Second Amendment guy. People should have the right to carry
if they want. But but boy, I'll tell you what
(18:39):
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Speaker 1 (21:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
All right, let's get to the phone. It's gonna go
to Mike Is in Rosendale. Mike, we're talking about a
really senseless situation. Don in Plymouth. They can kill that
music if you want, Dan, that'd be great. I think
we've got enough music there. Okay, there goes to music.
Now I can talk to Mike from Rosendale.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Hi, Mike, how are you all right? So here's one
possibility that happened. Yeah, first of all, before you went
to break and gave the did all your advertisements and
so forth. A moment or two ago you mentioned that
there was a possibility or maybe I missed up, maybe
I'm misunderstolled you. I don't know about the rest of
(22:13):
the audience out there and in the Boston area, but
did you mention that this was this could have been
the possibility of just the run of the mill road
rage or you just weren't sure?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, it was. It was an accident in a parking lot.
So it was originally reported as road rage. When I
think of road rage, I think of, you know, two
guys or whatever out on one twenty eight or four
ninety five, who were you know, passing each other and
all of that sort of stuff. Uh, this was a
(22:47):
fender bender in a parking lot, so, and it quickly
escalated into an outrageous situation. But it wasn't as if
they were out on four eight. That's what I if
I confused you, I apologize.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, that's okay. What I'm thinking this could have been
could have been. Okay. These two foxes, excuse me, might
have had history. Might and they had an old school
to celebrate between the two of them, with one of
them having their child in the fact seat that was
not smart. That kid, that kid could be pushing up
(23:22):
browses right now.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, there's a question about that. Yeah, this, you know,
I only I was not in court today, so I
will tell you that I I read as many reports
of the court proceed proceedings as I could, and there's
no suggestion that there was a prior even though it
was in the middle of Plymouth. I don't know that
(23:47):
there was any prior interaction between these two, these two
individuals the shooter lived in.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
There was also this one other thing they I don't know.
I mentioned the whole thing about maybe the possibility of
a score to settle this. This could have been a
thing where, you know, just just a simple road rage
that can out that get out of hand. Unfortunately, both
(24:16):
of their lives are early one on one that one
guy's dead and the other guys looking at uh you know,
at the bare minimum, uh first degree or second agree,
mad flaughter, if not first agree or whatever, I don't know,
but the.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Screws, Yeah, yeah, well, let me just say this, their
lives have changed forever. I mean, this is not a
couple of guys who when you think about it, let's
assume that they got out of the car. Uh, and
they threw a couple of punches at each other and
the cops and the police arrested them for us each
(24:51):
with for assault and battery. You know that's going to
probably end up in nothing, okay, But when you have
the loss of life. Uh this First of all, the
guy who's dead is dead. There's nothing that kid's going
to be done for him to help him or to
hurt him. He's dead, and his family has lost it.
(25:12):
I saw, Yeah, I saw pictures of his parents in
the courtroom today. And you know, he's forty one years old,
so his parents look to be like they were somewhere
in their you know, mid to late sixties. I don't
know how many children they have or you know, but
obviously it destroys their family. That's number one.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, the family is ruined.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah. He apparently had a couple of kids with with
his either partner girlfriend wife, I'm not sure which the
other guy. He's got an eighteen year old kid in
the back seat of the eighteen month old child in
the back seat of the car. As you said, if
the other guy had had a gun, and apparently the
other guy had a license to carry but didn't have
a gun with him. I just I think to myself, there,
(25:59):
but for the great of God, could go any one
of us. You know, you're in a parking lot or whatever. Sorry, Okay,
thank you very much. Nice to talk with you. Okay, Okay,
that's strange. Let me go next to Rodney and Boston. Hey, Rodney,
how are you tonight? How are you I'm doing Okay, Rodney,
(26:20):
what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Well, I've spoken to you before about when Boston said
they have the best streets and also about the snowstorm.
So I'm a lift driver and I drive around Boston
or Eastern mass almost every day, and it is getting
worse out there. The road rage. People get mad at
anything and they'll get on your tail. I've been flipped
(26:42):
off because I let a cargo in front of me.
I stop, and I stop sign and people want me
to go right away and it and when you want
to try and switch lanes, they want.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
To block you.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
So it's very aggressive out there, and it's not rage.
It's just that the anger that they carry with them
and what they do to you. They don't even know you,
they don't you don't talk to you, but they're taking
it out on you. And so there's something wrong with
us that people are so pent up that they just
one little thing will set them off, Like what happened
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, let me ask you, and you're you're you're driving
a lot. Have you ever had anybody truly threaten you, meaning, uh,
you know, point to a weapon towards you, or actually
you know, like you know, put a finger at you,
like they're holding a gun or anything like that, if
I got to know.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
But one night I was at a red light and
someone went around me and turned right, and I beeped
at him, and he started to back up towards me,
and I go, oh crap, what did I do? And
I didn't know he had a gun, So I backed up.
I went in the parking lot. He came. We went
around a couple of times, and I was able to
get to the street and book down the street and
(27:53):
not even having indication whether he was playing with me
or whatever. But the fact that he backed up and
kind of followed me was will of disheartening.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, Well, particularly if you're out driving late at night.
This was five thirty or just before. It's five thirty
six o'clock, so it's you know, sun's going down last
Friday night. This is not twelve thirty in the morning,
when people might be you know, half of the rapper
and do things that they would later regret. I just don't.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I actually I drive over night.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I drive overnight. I tend to find people overnight are
doing pretty well. It's the morning. At six o'clock people
start coming in driving bath being aggressive. So at nighttime
is great to drive.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, maybe maybe people are more relaxed.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I don't know, or just.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's frightening when you realize that not only are you
out of the road, but other family members can be
out in the road. I have two children who are
doubt children, and they're out driving. My wife drives. You know,
I have a brother or sister in law, other family,
friends and members, and you never know who was gonna
(29:01):
run in to the crazy person.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And well, the crazy person could be a lady or
a man or whomever. So's it's interesting to see how
people react when nothing's going on, but they react to it.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah. I don't know if you you don't sound to
me like you're old enough to remember this story, but
it was about probably about twenty years ago. There were
these two guys who were, you know, passing one another somewhere.
I think it was on ninety five or one of
the major roadways, and so they both pulled off into
sort of one of the rest areas and they both
jumped out of the car. An older guy went into
(29:36):
the trunk of his car and he pulled out a crossbow,
you like something of a Robin Hood movie. And he
fired the crossbow and got the guy right in the heart.
I'll be dead before he hit the ground. This was
in Massachusetts. Someone will remember that case, what year it was.
And I assume that the guy that did it is
(30:00):
still walked up. Maybe he's done his time. I don't know.
I'll look it up during the break here and try
to give you more exact but you know, no one
probably when that when the two of those peeled off
the road. I'm sure that the victim, the guy who
eventually died, didn't think to himself, you know, if I
pull off here with this nut job, he's gonna kill
me with a crossbow. Never thought about it. He probably thought, oh,
(30:21):
I'll beat the guy up, or you know, I'm a
tough guy. Even if he has a gun, he won't
shoot it at a crossbow.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
You know, I'm thinking that every time I see someone
that that threatens me. I'm thinking I got to shut
up and just keep going and not react. And I
find myself wanting to react because it angers you. When
someone is just so attacking of you. They don't know you,
they're never going to see you again. They make you
the target of their anger.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Rodney, I agree with you. So how old are you?
You don't remember that story?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I said, well, you're at eight, actually, and I do
remember something about that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh you said you're fifty eight. Okay, great, Okay, no problem,
so you yes, you sound younger. Thanks Rodney. Keep in
touch and keep listening and keep calling. Okay, appreciate you, dame.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Take care my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Have it great. Now we'll take a quick break here
on night Side, and I may be able to find
that crossbowl story. But I got Phil and David coming up.
Got room for you. We're changing topics, by the way,
at ten o'clock, So if you want to get in,
now's the time of dial six one, seven, two, five
four to ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The so called Crossbowl murder occurred here in Massachusetts in
the mid nineteen nineties. Donald Graham was convicted of killing
an Attleborough man or Interstate ninety five with a razor
tipped crossbowl bolt on February twentieth, nineteen ninety four, in
a case that received national intention concerning the issue of
road rage. Graham, a church deacon from Wunsaka, Rhode Island,
(31:59):
is serving life prison life prison turn without the possibility
of parole at mc I Shirley for first screen murder.
He filed an appeal and that's the latest I could
find out, so as as of August of twenty thirteen,
he was still in prison. We'll try to figure just unbelievable.
(32:20):
Apparently there was a book written about this as well. Anyway,
Let's look, it can happen. Where are we going to
go next? Let me go to Phil in Boston. Phil,
you are next on Nightside. I appreciate you calling in.
Get my my mouse working here and I'll bring you
right up. Phil. Welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Right, you're hitting the right subject that I thought that
was a little twenty four.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
It was a guy in whatever I got.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, turn your radio down. Will you feel I'm hearing
in the background? Its distracting to me, it's probably distracting.
I'm sure that the DAN told you to turn that
radio down. You're a veteran.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
It's just it's just there's no more civility.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
There's nothing. There's not no one cares anymore.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I mean, there's a lady to get but there's gotta
be some education.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And you get people riding around on bike lanes with
motor schools and everything is falling apart. They when something happens,
then then they come in and they, oh, yeah, we're
gonna do this for them. Well you ever think that
maybe you've been doing this before, Like maybe let these
kids are driving around the motor schools with no helmets.
(33:36):
So I'm driving going right through red lights, people on
bikes and pedal bikes going through red lakes. People on
bike lanes that go on on pedal bikes on the
sidewalk behind you going the wrong way, steps away from
enough by the bike lane. They're spending more money in
bike lanes, and now you've got people on the on
(33:57):
the sidewalk. I thought trying to get rid.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Of that, right, Phil, Phil, I don't want you to
have a heart attack on me here. Yeah. I don't
mean too upset you man, Just I hear you. I
think you raise good points. It's crazy out there, it's
just and don't get involved in the craziness, you know,
just let it go by you, Okay.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I would I just one quick Slavill my years ago,
oil was in his auto post place in a social
community and it was selling these box cutters at the
at the register and I said, excuse this in all sense,
all this is about twenty years ago, lawless roadways going on,
and they just have a worth.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
I said, do you think it's could have it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Or let me buy some oil for a mission?
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Flwood, Oh, give me a box cut of while you're
at it. And then I the guy, well, I don't know.
I went to the I went to the police station.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Phil, this really doesn't relate to what we're talking about today.
And I got out of the calls I got to
go to. So I appreciate your call, and I appreciate
the story. We'll talk so thank you much. Let me
go to David and Worcester. David, next time nights, I
want to get you in one more in please go.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Right ahead, David, believing in them. You know, this is yeah,
this is a sad it's it's a very sad and
tragic situation. When I am yes, you know, the gentleman
just spoke. You know, it's on the right point in
terms of you know, people's you know, egos and you know,
and what what happened to people. But I say this
(35:20):
when I have been honored with the privilege of advising people,
I tell them, especially if I say, when you drive,
one of the things you must not forget to do
is drive with your ego humility, a humble ego and
rather I'm sorry, humility and not your ego. And and
you know, the important thing is that the human, the
(35:40):
complex human brain that we have, was not equipped with
cameras so that we can know exactly what exchange before
this happens. But I say that to say, not to
blame any good, but to say, you know, I advise
people that if there's an accident, you know, if you're
the first to come out to a port, the other person,
come with your papers of follow me your papers. And
but first of all, just his first sentiment should be
(36:02):
you know, is everybody okay, you know, a concern for
the other people, and often do your papers and then
you can ask them for their papers because if you
come on.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
The thing that was interesting about this one, David, was
it was literally a fender bender in a parking lot.
If this was a serious accident that it caused injury
to somebody, you can see where people would be upset.
But this was a fender bender in a parking lot
at five thirty quarter six on a beautiful Friday afternoon
(36:30):
and one person ends up dead.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Well egos, Yeah, for egos, egos. You know, you know
anything could be could be too big, and you know,
so you know exactly. It's very it's very sad.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Absolutely well, said David. I want to get one more
in as well as always great to hear your voice.
Next time, I'll give you more time if you caught
a little earlier. But like that, thanks, Thanks David.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Be Well.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Harriet in Tewkesbury, Harriet your next one nice, I can run.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Ahead, Hi, stan Well.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
We do deliveries and pickups for grub Hub and my
husband and eye and we've had people beeping at us
because you have to you don't know where the houses.
I have to slow down, looks the streets, the numbers,
the fingers, the middle things. But the worst one was
about a month or so ago. We were picking up
the Windy's and bill Rica and we were delivering to Wilmington.
(37:22):
This guy in a white truck kept following us and
following us all the way to almost where we were
going to drop off. Then he cut us off completely
across the road so we couldn't go anywhere. Opened his
door flew open and came over to my husband's side,
the driver's side instead of pomding and pomding on the
window with his fists. I was so scared the window
(37:43):
was going to break. It was horrible. So I called
the police and they said, well, you have to come
down and make a report and everything. So after we
dropped off the delivery, we went to the Wilmington. I
thought we were in bill Rica, but we were actually
in Wilmington. Anyway, After the police in Wilmington made a
report and every thing, and they said that they would
contact us and see whatever. A couple of days went by,
(38:05):
we kept calling. Finally they said they did find him
and he and now we're an elderly couple and Senia's
and the police said, well, he said, you cut him off,
which we didn't, but you cut him off. He thought
you were wise teenagers. Now he came to my husband's side.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
He could must be the youngest looking senior couple. We're all,
that's ridiculous. You take that as a compliment, okay, but I.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Mean it was.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
It's the one that the glass didn't break. And anyway,
he said, oh, don't worry. The policeman said, don't worry
about it. He doesn't you know, he doesn't know where
you living. You don't know he lives. And he apologized, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's fine, but they should have run a little see
if this guy's been involved in other that's poor police work.
They should have said to you, look, this guy's got
a clean driving record. Have no idea what happened, but
if he had, if he had had a serious other incidents,
it would have been they should have done something on it. Hey, Harry,
I gotta get trying to get one more in in
thirty seconds, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Okay, thank you, yeah, any time, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'm gonna get Steve in from Rhode Island. Steve. I
only got about thirty seconds before the news go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Hi, dam thank you.
Speaker 10 (39:16):
I just wanted to tell you your listeners. I just
recently watched the movie about road rage, the most terrifying
movie I've ever starring Russell Crowe. It's from twenty twenty
and it's called Unhinged. Yeah, all right, Paul thinks just
started by someone just beeping the horn in a light
a little bit too line and the rest. I'm not
gonna tell you because it's beyond your belief what happens.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Okay, thanks Steve, I know exactly who this is, my friend.
You got to call more off and I miss talking
to you. Okay, thank you so much, good talking to you.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
The movie is Unhinged with Russell Crowe. Thanks. There's a
movie selection. Thank you, Thanks Steve. All Right, we're done.
We're going to talk next hour about Paula and why
are there a lot of big political institutions not endorsing
this year. Feel free. We'll open it up right after
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