November 20, 2025 • 38 mins
A handful of Democratic lawmakers who either served in the military or in the intelligence community put out a video telling military members they must "refuse illegal orders.” What type of illegal orders do they fear might come down? Most military members already know that they are legally required to disobey illegal orders so why the extra warning video?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As night Side with Dan Ray w b Z Coustin's
Me Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, I don't know where to start on this one,
so I'm going to start Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There was a videotape that was released yesterday by six
Democrats in Congress.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
They are six individuals who have served in the US
military at one point or in one case served in
the CIA. And one notable absent absence was a Seth
Moulton was not involved in this congressman from Massachusetts who
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was challenging Senator Markey. So there was a representative Congressman
from Pennsylvania who I don't know, Deluzio. There was a
senator from Michigan, Elisa or Elisa Slotkin, who I believe
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was in the CIA. She did not have military service.
There was Christy Hoolihan also from Pennsylvania. Senator Mark Kelly
from Arizona who's an astronaut and served as a captain
in the US Navy. Representative Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander who is
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the least known probably member of Congress from she's in
her first term I believe from New Hampshire, and a
Jason Crowe who was from Colorado. And they released a
statement yesterday, which caused quite a stir and I'm sure
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that many of you will commend the courage of these
individuals for releasing this statement, and others will say this
was clearly a political ploy to call into question the
judgment of President Trump on what's going on around the world. Now,
this has been a very active president on foreign policy,
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and he gets good grades. His best grades from American
citizens are on foreign policy. So I first want to
set it up and then play for you what these
six democrats said. And then today President Trump, who has
never been able to prevent himself from making a good
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situation worse. I think there were a lot of people
in the middle in this country who were not happy
to see the commander in chief called into question, and
members of the military reminded about the Uniform Code of
Military Justice, which anyone who has served in the military
gets a course on.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
UH.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And the part that they were focused on was following
illegal orders. Now I don't know any illegal orders that
have been given by President Trump. He says a lot
of things, but he does have the right under I
think US president to send US military personnel, particularly naval personnel,
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to the motions south of US. The Caribbean. He's not
happy about Maduro, the president of Venezuela, but today he
has not taken any preemptive action. He I think had
every right to take out the nuclear the nuclear site
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in Iran, which clearly was successful. Now there were many
people said, oh, no, it hasn't It was very successful.
With what has gone on over there in recent days,
these sorts of military actions have been used by virtually
every other president that I'm aware of, maybe none as
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spectacularly successful as the strike on Iran. But the fact
that these six Democrats got together and put together this video,
they left themselves open to some legitimate criticism in my mind,
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maybe not yours. So let's listen to what they said. Unfortunately,
because we're only radio and we do not have the
video capacity, we can't show you. But you can hear
what they said. And I'm not going to try to
identify them for you. I've mentioned their names, so you
know who they are. This runs about a minute twenty
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nine Robbins cut thirty one. This is the statement released
yesterday by six democratical lawmakers reminding members of the US military.
As if members of the US military need to be
reminded of the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
I think, and they did not specify, to the best
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of my knowledge, any specific action that they claim that
President Trump has initiated or members of the commands after
the military have initiated. So let's listen to what they
had to say first, and then we'll talk about what
President Trump had to say today. Cut thirty one. Rob.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm Senator Alissa Sockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Deluzios,
Representative Christy Hulahan.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Congressman Jason Crowe. That was a captain in the United
States Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and
Army ranger, former intelligence officer, former Air Force. We want
to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And the intelligence community who take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
This administration is pitting our uniform, military and intelligence community
professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an
oath to protect this constitution.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming
from a broad but from right here at home.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You
can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant. Whether you're serving in
the CIA, the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your
vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back
because now more than ever, the American people need you.
We need you to stand up for our laws, our constitution,
and who we are as Americans. Don't give up.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Don't give up.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Don't give up.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Don't give up the ship.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, okay. So you heard the statements that the military
is under enormous stress and pressure. Well being in the
military is a stressful occupation, and I would argue that
at different times the US military was under a greater
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stress and pressure than they are today. They go on
to talk about pitting the US military against US citizens. Now,
I guess, I guess they're talking there about National Guard
troops being in cities. However, the National Guard troops that
are in US cities have been authorized, they have been challenged,
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and they have been authorized. So I don't know what
they're talking about there, and then refuse legal or what
orders are we referring to? Are we anticipating orders? I
have no idea why they would have done this, in
my opinion, just an unforced error by six members of Congress. Okay,
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today today, President Trump suggested, amongst other things, that these
individuals have engaged in seditious behavior. That's an important word,
sedition and treason. Those are very important words. Seditious behavior.
I'm looking at an article the headline from the USA Today.
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I'm also looking at an article for the Boston Globe.
I can look at an article for the New York Times.
They're all pretty much the same. Trump accuses six Democratic
lawmakers of seditious behavior punishable by death. He sent a
ream I'm reading from an article by s Belle Mays
Austerman of the USA Today today, clear to three point
forty two in a realm of social media posts. On
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November twenty second, that's today, President Donald Trump accused a
group of Democratic lawmakers who made a video telling service
members to resist illegal orders of seditious behavior punishable by death. Quote.
It's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Trump wrote,
each one of these traders to our country should be
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arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed
to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example
must be stepped, must be set. That's an overstatement, that's hyperbolic,
seditious behavior, punishable by death, he added in a later post.
Trump also reposted a cascade of other angry posts, calling
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the lawmakers traders and domestic terrorist democrats, and another reading
hang them. George Washington would so once again, once again
the problems of the country. And this is on a day,
a couple of days, when the stock market has taken
a huge dive and that affects everybody. Why the president
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would even dignify what was said? He could have certainly
responded to it, and he could have put them on
the spot and said, what are they talking about? What
are they possibly alluding to? What order? What command has
been offered by anyone in the military that approaches in
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illegal order? I would say, a plague on all their
houses right now, because in this war of words, get
to work, mister president, and I do know that he
works pretty hard, okay, but get to work. Focus on
what's important, not on a minute and twenty three second
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audio video that obviously is pre produced and pre planned,
and I don't think that it has any traction. Now,
when you start suggesting that you want to hang them
and that they should be punishable by death, you basically
have played into their hands. I'd love to hear from
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you whether you support Donald Trump or not. This seems
to me to be an into mural squabble by two
groups of people who theoretically need to put the politics aside.
You'll have politics in twenty twenty six and in twenty
twenty eight again, put the politics aside and go to
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work for the American people. Okay, I'm tired of it.
I suspect many others are tired of it. If you'd
like to expressure that opinion, if you want to tell
me I'm wrong on this one, I'm more than happy
to debate it with you or discuss it with you,
whichever you prefer. We can have a discussion or a debate.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty. Let's let's try to be an
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island of sanity here. I think the Democrats engaged in
gratuitous behavior. It was unnecessary, unnecessary, and premature. Could Donald
Trump do something crazy? Yeah, I guess that's He's done
things before. He's made comments that were crazy. But issue
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and order that is inconsistent with the Military Code of
the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I think not six
one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty. One line
there and one line and six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Coming right back on Night's Time.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You're on nighteth Side with Dan Ray. I'm done you
Basy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, We're going to go right to the phones. I
would much prefer to hear from you than to listen
to me. I've explained how I feel. Now it's up
to you. We'll see what people have to say. Going
to go to John in Boston. John First, this hour
on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Welcome, Hey Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (13:23):
So I was when when they released the advertisement what
they said. I don't think it was necessary, but I
understand where they may be coming from. My concern is
that with everything going on around the Eppstein files and
trump stance of not wanting to release the files, to
turn around and saying he wants the files released, I
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think he has some type of plan and in between
all of this, he's like target at Venezuela now, and
he has sent an aircraft carrier down there and everything else.
And I'm just thinking that I won't be some to
thefect that he would order the military to maybe send
a few fire or jets over, drop a few bombs somewhere,
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or just actually maybe start a war. And that's maybe
why the six Democrats are fearing well.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, maybe it. Let me can I just ask you
a question. Let's assume you're right if those are the
stakes that they genuinely fear, and I'm not saying that's
out out of the reman possibility. You remember, George Bush
essentially did the same thing to Manuel Noriego as the
president of Panama when we took him out, literally physically
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took him out and put him on trial in Florida.
I'm sure you remember that in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 9 (14:50):
That was a bit before me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, but it's historically true. No Diego was essentially a
dictated that we had installed in Panama who turned against us,
and it was up to Bush forty one in nineteen
eighty nine, Bush the father, and they went down and
took him out, and they brought him back, and they
indicted him, and they put him on trial, and he
died in prison. So that's I think the precedent that
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he would that President Trump would deal with. But putting
that aside for a second, let's assume that that is
indeed the concern that these six Democrats had. Why did
they not get specific about that concern? Why did they
leave it a broad and all of that, and just
why not say, Look, we're putting the president on notice
that he needs to come to us. In fact, he
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doesn't because we have the War Powers Act. But put
that aside for a moment, why not challenge him directly
on that? Just just a question for you, because you
seem to have thought this through and I'm interested. I
really don't know what you're likely to say.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Well, well, like I will like to me, is that
what are kind of concerned about? But there's also so
many other things going on around the world right now
that America actually are involved in two like there could
be issues of like you know, like could he could
he just send military troops into the Middle East with Israel,
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because even though there's supposed to be a peace agreement there,
there's there's there's still a lot of fighting going on
so and there, and where the escalation going on in
the Middle East with them now hitting. I believe it
was Jordan hit today where there's a Palaestine in refugee camp.
Like eventually other countries are probably in the Middle East
going to stand up to Israel as well, and it
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could be that that you could have torn around and
send troops in there and just not like look for
declaration like because there is so many other things going on.
But I just think Pennezuela is actually the biggest thing
right now that because of the aircraft carrier being sent
down specifically for.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Like I suppose you can say.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The world or whatever. I think it's a huge show
of or show with force, what however you want to
characterize it. I think we would have to be blind
to miss that. And I suspect that what they're hoping
for is that there will be this. We've also put
a fifty million dollar prize on the head of Maduro.
You're where you're aware of that. I'm sure that they
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are hoping that there might be a group of generals
in his command staff who think gie fifty million dollars
wouldn't be bad, and that that that would take him
out in terms of businessman, he's transactional.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
So yeah, you know, and that's actually but you know,
like that's another like like America is dipping their hands
into somewhere that they don't they shouldn't be dipping their
hands into. I think with the whole with the whole
thing is going on in Venezuela. Venezuela. I just think
there's like order issues going on there that actually really
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it's more personal issues with maybe some politicians and everything
else of like things in the past or the like
issues and now we'll Rubio with Venezuela.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
So you know, it's so.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You could bring me up to date on those. I'm
not familiar with those. I think that that they look
at Maduro as a bad guy. Maduro allows a lot
of Russian planes to come in and out of there.
And you're familiar with what we in this country for
years and years and years have relied upon as the
Monroe doctrine, named after former President James Monroe, that this
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is our hemisphere and we're going to be the big
dog on the street. And most presidents have have have
exercised that that detman Rode doctrine at some point, certainly
Jack Kennedy did during the Cuban Missile Crisis of nineteen
sixty two.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Yes, And you know, like when the Force Golf War
whats happened in the ninety one, we actually had Russians
in Shannon Airport when American jets for London to be farmers,
we refilled as well. So like it's like so if
anyway there's a Russian jet now you can invade a country.
That's not right either.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
In that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But again from our from our nation's perspective, we're not
comfortable with how much influenced China now has and how
much how much of a footprint China has and uh,
and how much of footprint Russia has in different parts
around the world. And I think that he's made a
good faith effort to try to stop that war in Ukraine,
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and it's it's going to be a tough Uh. I
think it's gonna be tough sell to both of them
to stop it because when they even when they stopped,
and they're gonna have to have some sort of agreement
on where the with the where the lines are drawn,
which is going to be very difficult. John. I don't
know if you have called my show before, but I
really enjoyed it. What county did you come from over there?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
I've come from Dublin, Doublin. Okay, yeah, I tell you
a few years back. Actually on another topic.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, don't be, don't be. Don't make so much time
between the calls, John, Okay, I mean I might not
be here next time. You know. It's no no, I'm
a call just so you know. You know, I'm a corkman.
My four Bears came from Cork. I'm an Irish citizen.
So you and I have a lot in common. And
I have uh I've spent some time in outside of
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Dublin and Donning Brook, which is one of the great
uh suburbs of of of Dublin. So uh we should
chat sometime off here. John, thank you so much for
your call. You got us go on and I appreciate it. Okay,
you made some great part time. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
Okay, thanks all right?
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
One okay, one line at six one seven thirty, one
line that just filled. And one line at six one
seven nine three thirty that is the line you want
to call. Six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
That filled that lineup. We'll have full lines. We'll get
right back. I got Lourie, Eric and Brndon coming up
and eventually Donn and we'll be back on night Side
right after this.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Back to the calls we go. Let me go to
Lourie down and Fall River. Hey, Laurie, welcome next to Nightside.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'm great, Laurie, Thanks for calling in. What's your take
on all of this? Well?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
When I first heard, I kept waiting and waiting for
you to play it, and you were talking and I'm like,
play it because I knew. And then you've played it,
and I went, I said, I can't believe the way
they attack this man. It's like they were all democrats.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So that right there is suspicious.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And I said, wow, they're all bought and paid for.
And then of course he talks too much. But I
think this this time around, he's taking a different approach.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He doesn't defend himself as much.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He's not defensive, like trying to.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Defend things he does. He's just doing them.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And I think it's I like it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I like that he doesn't defend himself so much.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Just do what you have to do because most people
do not understand things that he has to do. Oh,
he's putting a ship down, of course he is. Are
you kidding me? We can't just let them do.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
Today's November twenty second.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Please big day, very big day in American history?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Correct?
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Absolutely, Saturday? Please?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, make the Yeah, you're gonna make the connections. You know,
it's everything's connected and these people live. I just finished Eric.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Trump's new book, and it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
I didn't know if I'd like.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
It or not.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I'm not a diehard Trump person, yeah, but I am
a I do believe in what's right and what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And it's like, if you don't know what he's doing,
be quiet and educate yourself and find out what he's doing.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, I think that he has proven correct in terms
of what he did in Iran. I heard and I
forget where I listened to it yesterday, for it was
on Bloomberg or something that there was some probably wasn't
on Bloomberger, but it might have been on CNN. There
was a a foreign minister of Iran I can't keep
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their name straight, and he basically said that they want
to sit down with America they want nuclear power for
their people, but they're not really interested. It was a
little ambivalent, but they're not really interested in the bomb
as much as they are in having you know, nuclear
power for their people. Very different, very different tone, and
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so I think they have been put in their place.
I think Israel has been very successful in the Middle East,
and I know that there are people who are always
concerned there's going to be fire, you know, fire, fire
flares up. But this guy Medoro down there in Venezuela,
he wants them out. The woman who won the Nobel
Peace Prize, Machado is the leader of the opposition in Venezuela.
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Most people don't realize that. So what was a moment
in time where the Venzeuelan people might actually stand up
to Maduro and say, hey, you're out of here, or
some who knows.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, you know, Trump is not alone in these decisions either.
You know, there are people he's working with that know
these things. You know, like he has his intelligence is military.
You know, he might make the decisions or be in
charge or whatever, but he listens to he knows what
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he's doing. I mean, he's not doing it alone.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's like a lot I think he's I think he's
a more effective president. He's pulled back tariffs on on
coffee and on on bananas, and there were a couple
of other issues that that he you know, he does
things boldly and then he does tend to pull back
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things China. Now he's buying soybeans there.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But the reason, the only reason I'm mentioned the book
is because it chronically it puts every attack in order,
and it tells you factually everything that happened. And it's
absolutely amazing how many arrows have been shot at him
and eventually.
Speaker 12 (25:18):
You have to go to the shooter.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So those people who are shooting arrows at him. Back
to the original question, how do we feel about what
they said? I feel like they are absolute traders, but hopeful.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But they have they have they have a right. I
guess what I'm saying. He overreacts when he says, you know,
this is edition, this is this is treason. No, it's not,
it's it's they're exercising their first Amendment. And I think
he alienates people in the middle when he starts talking
about death death penalty, and I just don't think he
has the discipline, nor do his supporters have the backbone
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to say, mister president, this hurts you. You know, I
think that right. I think that you and I probably
see it very similarly. Laurie, I loved your call. Have
you called you? Have you called before?
Speaker 10 (26:06):
Or no?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
No, we got to give you a round of applause
one time a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well we'll still give you a round of applause because
you at least the recent fresh caller. I want to
come on back more, would you please?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I really all right, Well, thank you, and good luck
with this question.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
I hope people listen what they said.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let's see what they say.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I think you and John agree with what they did,
because they didn't Now with Donald, you know how like
you said, they didn't say, what what are we talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Production them exempt? Really? That's what keeps them exempt, because
then it's.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Not slander because we can't prove it true or not.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You see, well, they have all sorts of protections. First
of all, Donald Trump's re public figure. You can't slander
him at this point, and realistically, at least, you know,
unless unless you you could say to him, if you know,
what you're saying is absolutely untrue. However, because he's a
public figure. New York Times Sullivan, you have a wide
field to run before before you call him. All right, Laurie,
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I gotta run. Thanks so much, talking again. Thank you,
have a great night. Let me go to Brandon, who's
in calling in from Auburn. I assume that's Massachusetts. Brandon.
How are you tonight?
Speaker 13 (27:18):
I think so.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I think I'm here.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, pleasure to talk with you. And I don't know
if I've ever talked to a Brandon from Auburn before.
You have your Thanks for coming back, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Absolutely, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What's your take on this?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
So? So as a registered independent here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 13 (27:45):
Enrolled, unenrolled, Yeah right, so, I just you know, look,
I I would love to see a time where everybody
can get together and learn to love one another and
work bipartisanship, leave, you know, and is that a right word?
Speaker 9 (28:03):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Butship, we're not going to have a cool moment. I
don't think something.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
No, we're not. But anyway, so here it is. Do
I think that you know what what has just happened?
You know, with his words and everything like that, it's
a little out of line absolutely out of line. Do
I think he's doing a decent job one percent. Absolutely,
But it's just like there's a time and place where,
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you know, okay, you got to step back and and
think about what you're going to say. And it's just
unfortunate because one word can take over a whole nation,
and somebody can say he could say something, and somebody
can take it out of content, and then everybody said.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The whole the whole news cycle is going. You know
what It's like. It's always like sports win the game
on the field, mister president. Okay, don't don't give locker room,
don't give your bulletin board still to the other team.
You know, the professional athletes are really smart. They're playing
a lousy team. Whoever the Patriots are playing this weekend.
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You would think that they were playing the you know,
the nineteen fifty six New York Giants or the nineteen
sixty five Green Bay Packers. They're a really great team.
They got a lot of great athletes. You're a twenty
three point favorite. They're not a great team, you know.
But he's the opposite. It's like he just his best
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move on in the wake of this. Shut up, don't say.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Anything exactly, keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
It's like, dude, I mean, you know, look, I get,
I get the drug cartels are trying to you know,
past their product here in the United States. But you know,
I mean, like, do we really have to invade Venezuela.
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean that's you know, I don't think we have to,
and I don't think we will.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
No, absolutely not. I think it's more or less just
stretching muffles and saying, hey, we're America, now bring it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, I also think there's a fifty million dollar reward
on Maduro's head, oh yeah. And I think they're hoping.
And many people don't realize that the Nobel Peace Prize
winner is a woman named Machado who's the leader of
the opposition in Venezuela.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
And he's not even really the president. He just said,
you know what, I'm taking it over, screw.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It, El president for life. I think we had a
guy over at Cuba who pulled kind of the same
thing a few years ago, or a few decades ago,
I should say, Fidel.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And we know what happened to him, right right, I say.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
To hell with Fidel. Okay, yeah, you hope that's where.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
He is exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, all right, bred great, great call, great call, Thank
you so much. Come on back soon. Okay, man, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
We'll do sir, Thank you very well.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The only line is opened is when the Branda just
got off. Six point seven nine three, one ten thirty.
Coming right back. I got Donner in Framingham awaiting Eric
and Maine and Bill in Pennsylvania will be back on Nightside.
Eric is first up, followed by Donna coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, let's keep rolling, his promised. Eric is up
in Maine. Hey, Eric, next on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Welcome, Hey Dan, It's Eric from Maine. Now I'm not
my throwing anymore because I moved.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You did, come on, I did? Yeah, I was congratulation.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
I sold my business. I retired from the Navy Navy Reserve.
I flew with the Navy for active and reserve twenty
four years flying with them. Wow, and uh sold the
business down there in Reading and up there married.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Thank you for the service. How far up in Maine?
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Eric, I'm just a rundle because I worked for the.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Navy full time now on submarines. So I'm still doing it.
Speaker 12 (31:51):
I'm I'm an engineer over there for.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Them, finally using that degree from UMass, you know, and
uh that's why I do. I got out a work
at three pm this afternoon, and you know, I got
to my truck, looked at my phone and I was
just horror. For my blood's still kind of boiling, you know,
after all this, you know, I I'm like this, this
has to be AI. I thought AI made it up
at first. I'm like, this has to be made up
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by AI. This can't be a real bit.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know, who are you more disappointed and more more
angry out of whatever the Democrats who decided.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
To I'm I'm I'm I'm angry at the Congressman. We
have the Hatch Act. Me as a serviceman all those years,
and even now where I work for the Navy full time,
I can't go to spray paint you know, Trump for
president or anyone for president on the side of my airplane.
I can't even hold a sign while I'm in uniform.
I mean, we're supposed to have that, you know, division
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in our lives, and the Congressmen are supposed to you know,
let's they're not in my chain of command. You know,
the president is they're supposed to keep their opinions inside
the walls of the Capitol, and and when we come
out of the capitol, when they come out of the
capital's supposed to be one team, one fight, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And they.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
They they have the right to have speech, but they
can't be taught. They're not supposed to tell It's up
to them to voice their opinion in the Capitol. And
then that that that opinion goes through the Armed Services Committee,
goes through vote, goes through legislation and gets to the
serviceman and US.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And my question is do you think the president makes
a mistake. I think he made a huge mistake to
say this is treason.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
And sedition and I it's you know, we would we
bombed Blouse and Cambodia. We've done a lot of things
through the years without someone coming out of a congressman
coming out of the Capitol and trying to speak to
the serviceman directly. We I don't think anyone in the
military has any respect for on of those people in
the and that did that video, because that's not how.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
You do it.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
We're supposed to take our opinions.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Ever, any that official trying to speak to go, you know,
to basically go around the chain of command.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Uh, that was around the chain of command.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
That was just blatant.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, that was Layton. And I'm called for tell service
members something that they instinctively know. It would be like
if I did a video and said, well, I hope
that Page's really try to win this week because I'd
like to see them get to the super Bowl and
they have to they have to really try to win.
Of course they try to win.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yeah, we we know what we know what you c.
MJ tells us. We know all our rights, we know
what we're supposed to do. You know, we didn't need that,
and that's just it's insulting for us as service members.
But but it's insulting. It's insulting. I'm glad you brought
up the Monroe doctrine because I'm glad to hear that.
Speaker 12 (34:51):
I will say. I will say twenty years ago, I
was part of a mission in.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
An anti drug where we sunk a bot that had six.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
On the cocaine on it.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And that was twenty years ago. And we've been doing
this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A lot of things that are thank you.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Yeah, I mean, we brought that.
Speaker 12 (35:08):
We brought the prisoners from the boat.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
There were twenty Colombians on the boat. We brought them
back to the US to stand trial, and we brought
evidence back all that. I was on a transport paint
playing with the Navy, and I went to South America Central.
I went to sixty five countries in the end. It
was crazy ride, but it was fun. It was, but
it was a crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Your service. I got to get one more caller in
here before the break, But Eric, a congratulations on your move.
I want to hear from you more often. Okay. I
love your calls. You know that. Thank you, my friend.
Thank you. All right, have a good night, you too, Eric.
Thanks Donna and framing him. Donna gets you in here
before the news. I'll hold you over if I have
to go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (35:46):
Oh, I'm glad to hear that. A couple of things
I would say right off the bat. You've talked in
the past. I just want to get this out of
the way about the eyeward being integrity. When you vote
for me, it's the sea word, which is character. That's okay,
(36:09):
I don't I don't think that Donald. That's why I
can't vote for Donald Trump, because I don't think he's
moral or ethical. Okay, So anyway, a couple of things.
If you call back, somebody said that he knows what
he's doing when he's got the great people around him.
That's not what's happening. They're not the same people that
wor they have a lot of time. Bill Bodd, John Bolton,
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et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I think he's got better people around him this time,
to be really honest.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
With Certainly we'll talk talking about that some other time.
But I remember, well, the one thing that I feel
most uh strongly is that I'm actually afraid of the president.
(36:59):
But anyway, I wanted to say that last time we
were president and they were talking about protesters. I don't
remember which protester was, he asked Mark Esper if he
could shoot the protesters in the legs. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (37:19):
Yeah, So what we're going to do, Dan wait for
another ken state before we do something to try to
make make stop making these too good rash comments. Okay,
that we have kem Skates again.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
No, look, you never know what happens tomorrow. Okay, but
he apparently asked that question, Uh, when things were getting
pretty close to the White House. Dumb question. Never should
have asked it. It should have been kept in confidence, frankly,
between Esper and the president. If the president in my opinion,
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in my opinion, if you're serving the president of the
United States, you're going to disagree with me. But that's fine.
There there are certain comments and statements that you don't
go leak them to the press. And Okay, that's that's
my thought. I'll hold you through the news and we
can pick this up on the other side. Okay, well,
that's fine. I'd love to have you stay. We'll be
back right after the news with Donna. I have a
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couple of lines open six one seven, two four ten
thirty is one six, one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We're talking about the statements made by Congress yesterday by
six members of Congress, all of whom it served in
the military, one in the CIA. Uh, and we're talking
about Donald Trump's reaction today, which I believe was overreaction.
I said it earlier, I'll say it again. We'll reset,
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we'll play it again for you right after the eleven
o'clock news on night side light. The lines up stay
with us back after this
As night Side with Dan Ray w b Z Coustin's
Me Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, I don't know where to start on this one,
so I'm going to start Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There was a videotape that was released yesterday by six
Democrats in Congress.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
They are six individuals who have served in the US
military at one point or in one case served in
the CIA. And one notable absent absence was a Seth
Moulton was not involved in this congressman from Massachusetts who
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was challenging Senator Markey. So there was a representative Congressman
from Pennsylvania who I don't know, Deluzio. There was a
senator from Michigan, Elisa or Elisa Slotkin, who I believe
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was in the CIA. She did not have military service.
There was Christy Hoolihan also from Pennsylvania. Senator Mark Kelly
from Arizona who's an astronaut and served as a captain
in the US Navy. Representative Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander who is
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the least known probably member of Congress from she's in
her first term I believe from New Hampshire, and a
Jason Crowe who was from Colorado. And they released a
statement yesterday, which caused quite a stir and I'm sure
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that many of you will commend the courage of these
individuals for releasing this statement, and others will say this
was clearly a political ploy to call into question the
judgment of President Trump on what's going on around the world. Now,
this has been a very active president on foreign policy,
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and he gets good grades. His best grades from American
citizens are on foreign policy. So I first want to
set it up and then play for you what these
six democrats said. And then today President Trump, who has
never been able to prevent himself from making a good
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situation worse. I think there were a lot of people
in the middle in this country who were not happy
to see the commander in chief called into question, and
members of the military reminded about the Uniform Code of
Military Justice, which anyone who has served in the military
gets a course on.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
UH.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And the part that they were focused on was following
illegal orders. Now I don't know any illegal orders that
have been given by President Trump. He says a lot
of things, but he does have the right under I
think US president to send US military personnel, particularly naval personnel,
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to the motions south of US. The Caribbean. He's not
happy about Maduro, the president of Venezuela, but today he
has not taken any preemptive action. He I think had
every right to take out the nuclear the nuclear site
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in Iran, which clearly was successful. Now there were many
people said, oh, no, it hasn't It was very successful.
With what has gone on over there in recent days,
these sorts of military actions have been used by virtually
every other president that I'm aware of, maybe none as
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spectacularly successful as the strike on Iran. But the fact
that these six Democrats got together and put together this video,
they left themselves open to some legitimate criticism in my mind,
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maybe not yours. So let's listen to what they said. Unfortunately,
because we're only radio and we do not have the
video capacity, we can't show you. But you can hear
what they said. And I'm not going to try to
identify them for you. I've mentioned their names, so you
know who they are. This runs about a minute twenty
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nine Robbins cut thirty one. This is the statement released
yesterday by six democratical lawmakers reminding members of the US military.
As if members of the US military need to be
reminded of the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
I think, and they did not specify, to the best
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of my knowledge, any specific action that they claim that
President Trump has initiated or members of the commands after
the military have initiated. So let's listen to what they
had to say first, and then we'll talk about what
President Trump had to say today. Cut thirty one. Rob.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm Senator Alissa Sockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Deluzios,
Representative Christy Hulahan.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Congressman Jason Crowe. That was a captain in the United
States Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and
Army ranger, former intelligence officer, former Air Force. We want
to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And the intelligence community who take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
This administration is pitting our uniform, military and intelligence community
professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an
oath to protect this constitution.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming
from a broad but from right here at home.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You
can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant. Whether you're serving in
the CIA, the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your
vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back
because now more than ever, the American people need you.
We need you to stand up for our laws, our constitution,
and who we are as Americans. Don't give up.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Don't give up.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Don't give up.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Don't give up the ship.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, okay. So you heard the statements that the military
is under enormous stress and pressure. Well being in the
military is a stressful occupation, and I would argue that
at different times the US military was under a greater
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stress and pressure than they are today. They go on
to talk about pitting the US military against US citizens. Now,
I guess, I guess they're talking there about National Guard
troops being in cities. However, the National Guard troops that
are in US cities have been authorized, they have been challenged,
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and they have been authorized. So I don't know what
they're talking about there, and then refuse legal or what
orders are we referring to? Are we anticipating orders? I
have no idea why they would have done this, in
my opinion, just an unforced error by six members of Congress. Okay,
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today today, President Trump suggested, amongst other things, that these
individuals have engaged in seditious behavior. That's an important word,
sedition and treason. Those are very important words. Seditious behavior.
I'm looking at an article the headline from the USA Today.
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I'm also looking at an article for the Boston Globe.
I can look at an article for the New York Times.
They're all pretty much the same. Trump accuses six Democratic
lawmakers of seditious behavior punishable by death. He sent a
ream I'm reading from an article by s Belle Mays
Austerman of the USA Today today, clear to three point
forty two in a realm of social media posts. On
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November twenty second, that's today, President Donald Trump accused a
group of Democratic lawmakers who made a video telling service
members to resist illegal orders of seditious behavior punishable by death. Quote.
It's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Trump wrote,
each one of these traders to our country should be
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arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed
to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example
must be stepped, must be set. That's an overstatement, that's hyperbolic,
seditious behavior, punishable by death, he added in a later post.
Trump also reposted a cascade of other angry posts, calling
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the lawmakers traders and domestic terrorist democrats, and another reading
hang them. George Washington would so once again, once again
the problems of the country. And this is on a day,
a couple of days, when the stock market has taken
a huge dive and that affects everybody. Why the president
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would even dignify what was said? He could have certainly
responded to it, and he could have put them on
the spot and said, what are they talking about? What
are they possibly alluding to? What order? What command has
been offered by anyone in the military that approaches in
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illegal order? I would say, a plague on all their
houses right now, because in this war of words, get
to work, mister president, and I do know that he
works pretty hard, okay, but get to work. Focus on
what's important, not on a minute and twenty three second
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audio video that obviously is pre produced and pre planned,
and I don't think that it has any traction. Now,
when you start suggesting that you want to hang them
and that they should be punishable by death, you basically
have played into their hands. I'd love to hear from
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you whether you support Donald Trump or not. This seems
to me to be an into mural squabble by two
groups of people who theoretically need to put the politics aside.
You'll have politics in twenty twenty six and in twenty
twenty eight again, put the politics aside and go to
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work for the American people. Okay, I'm tired of it.
I suspect many others are tired of it. If you'd
like to expressure that opinion, if you want to tell
me I'm wrong on this one, I'm more than happy
to debate it with you or discuss it with you,
whichever you prefer. We can have a discussion or a debate.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty. Let's let's try to be an
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island of sanity here. I think the Democrats engaged in
gratuitous behavior. It was unnecessary, unnecessary, and premature. Could Donald
Trump do something crazy? Yeah, I guess that's He's done
things before. He's made comments that were crazy. But issue
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and order that is inconsistent with the Military Code of
the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I think not six
one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty. One line
there and one line and six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Coming right back on Night's Time.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You're on nighteth Side with Dan Ray. I'm done you
Basy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, We're going to go right to the phones. I
would much prefer to hear from you than to listen
to me. I've explained how I feel. Now it's up
to you. We'll see what people have to say. Going
to go to John in Boston. John First, this hour
on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Welcome, Hey Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (13:23):
So I was when when they released the advertisement what
they said. I don't think it was necessary, but I
understand where they may be coming from. My concern is
that with everything going on around the Eppstein files and
trump stance of not wanting to release the files, to
turn around and saying he wants the files released, I
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think he has some type of plan and in between
all of this, he's like target at Venezuela now, and
he has sent an aircraft carrier down there and everything else.
And I'm just thinking that I won't be some to
thefect that he would order the military to maybe send
a few fire or jets over, drop a few bombs somewhere,
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or just actually maybe start a war. And that's maybe
why the six Democrats are fearing well.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, maybe it. Let me can I just ask you
a question. Let's assume you're right if those are the
stakes that they genuinely fear, and I'm not saying that's
out out of the reman possibility. You remember, George Bush
essentially did the same thing to Manuel Noriego as the
president of Panama when we took him out, literally physically
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took him out and put him on trial in Florida.
I'm sure you remember that in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 9 (14:50):
That was a bit before me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, but it's historically true. No Diego was essentially a
dictated that we had installed in Panama who turned against us,
and it was up to Bush forty one in nineteen
eighty nine, Bush the father, and they went down and
took him out, and they brought him back, and they
indicted him, and they put him on trial, and he
died in prison. So that's I think the precedent that
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he would that President Trump would deal with. But putting
that aside for a second, let's assume that that is
indeed the concern that these six Democrats had. Why did
they not get specific about that concern? Why did they
leave it a broad and all of that, and just
why not say, Look, we're putting the president on notice
that he needs to come to us. In fact, he
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doesn't because we have the War Powers Act. But put
that aside for a moment, why not challenge him directly
on that? Just just a question for you, because you
seem to have thought this through and I'm interested. I
really don't know what you're likely to say.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Well, well, like I will like to me, is that
what are kind of concerned about? But there's also so
many other things going on around the world right now
that America actually are involved in two like there could
be issues of like you know, like could he could
he just send military troops into the Middle East with Israel,
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because even though there's supposed to be a peace agreement there,
there's there's there's still a lot of fighting going on
so and there, and where the escalation going on in
the Middle East with them now hitting. I believe it
was Jordan hit today where there's a Palaestine in refugee camp.
Like eventually other countries are probably in the Middle East
going to stand up to Israel as well, and it
(16:36):
could be that that you could have torn around and
send troops in there and just not like look for
declaration like because there is so many other things going on.
But I just think Pennezuela is actually the biggest thing
right now that because of the aircraft carrier being sent
down specifically for.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Like I suppose you can say.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The world or whatever. I think it's a huge show
of or show with force, what however you want to
characterize it. I think we would have to be blind
to miss that. And I suspect that what they're hoping
for is that there will be this. We've also put
a fifty million dollar prize on the head of Maduro.
You're where you're aware of that. I'm sure that they
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are hoping that there might be a group of generals
in his command staff who think gie fifty million dollars
wouldn't be bad, and that that that would take him
out in terms of businessman, he's transactional.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
So yeah, you know, and that's actually but you know,
like that's another like like America is dipping their hands
into somewhere that they don't they shouldn't be dipping their
hands into. I think with the whole with the whole
thing is going on in Venezuela. Venezuela. I just think
there's like order issues going on there that actually really
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it's more personal issues with maybe some politicians and everything
else of like things in the past or the like
issues and now we'll Rubio with Venezuela.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
So you know, it's so.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You could bring me up to date on those. I'm
not familiar with those. I think that that they look
at Maduro as a bad guy. Maduro allows a lot
of Russian planes to come in and out of there.
And you're familiar with what we in this country for
years and years and years have relied upon as the
Monroe doctrine, named after former President James Monroe, that this
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is our hemisphere and we're going to be the big
dog on the street. And most presidents have have have
exercised that that detman Rode doctrine at some point, certainly
Jack Kennedy did during the Cuban Missile Crisis of nineteen
sixty two.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Yes, And you know, like when the Force Golf War
whats happened in the ninety one, we actually had Russians
in Shannon Airport when American jets for London to be farmers,
we refilled as well. So like it's like so if
anyway there's a Russian jet now you can invade a country.
That's not right either.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
In that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But again from our from our nation's perspective, we're not
comfortable with how much influenced China now has and how
much how much of a footprint China has and uh,
and how much of footprint Russia has in different parts
around the world. And I think that he's made a
good faith effort to try to stop that war in Ukraine,
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and it's it's going to be a tough Uh. I
think it's gonna be tough sell to both of them
to stop it because when they even when they stopped,
and they're gonna have to have some sort of agreement
on where the with the where the lines are drawn,
which is going to be very difficult. John. I don't
know if you have called my show before, but I
really enjoyed it. What county did you come from over there?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
I've come from Dublin, Doublin. Okay, yeah, I tell you
a few years back. Actually on another topic.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, don't be, don't be. Don't make so much time
between the calls, John, Okay, I mean I might not
be here next time. You know. It's no no, I'm
a call just so you know. You know, I'm a corkman.
My four Bears came from Cork. I'm an Irish citizen.
So you and I have a lot in common. And
I have uh I've spent some time in outside of
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Dublin and Donning Brook, which is one of the great
uh suburbs of of of Dublin. So uh we should
chat sometime off here. John, thank you so much for
your call. You got us go on and I appreciate it. Okay,
you made some great part time. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:29):
Okay, thanks all right?
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
One okay, one line at six one seven thirty, one
line that just filled. And one line at six one
seven nine three thirty that is the line you want
to call. Six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
That filled that lineup. We'll have full lines. We'll get
right back. I got Lourie, Eric and Brndon coming up
and eventually Donn and we'll be back on night Side
right after this.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Back to the calls we go. Let me go to
Lourie down and Fall River. Hey, Laurie, welcome next to Nightside.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'm great, Laurie, Thanks for calling in. What's your take
on all of this? Well?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
When I first heard, I kept waiting and waiting for
you to play it, and you were talking and I'm like,
play it because I knew. And then you've played it,
and I went, I said, I can't believe the way
they attack this man. It's like they were all democrats.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So that right there is suspicious.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And I said, wow, they're all bought and paid for.
And then of course he talks too much. But I
think this this time around, he's taking a different approach.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He doesn't defend himself as much.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He's not defensive, like trying to.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Defend things he does. He's just doing them.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And I think it's I like it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I like that he doesn't defend himself so much.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Just do what you have to do because most people
do not understand things that he has to do. Oh,
he's putting a ship down, of course he is. Are
you kidding me? We can't just let them do.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
Today's November twenty second.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Please big day, very big day in American history?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Correct?
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Absolutely, Saturday? Please?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, make the Yeah, you're gonna make the connections. You know,
it's everything's connected and these people live. I just finished Eric.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Trump's new book, and it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
I didn't know if I'd like.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
It or not.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I'm not a diehard Trump person, yeah, but I am
a I do believe in what's right and what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And it's like, if you don't know what he's doing,
be quiet and educate yourself and find out what he's doing.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, I think that he has proven correct in terms
of what he did in Iran. I heard and I
forget where I listened to it yesterday, for it was
on Bloomberg or something that there was some probably wasn't
on Bloomberger, but it might have been on CNN. There
was a a foreign minister of Iran I can't keep
(23:08):
their name straight, and he basically said that they want
to sit down with America they want nuclear power for
their people, but they're not really interested. It was a
little ambivalent, but they're not really interested in the bomb
as much as they are in having you know, nuclear
power for their people. Very different, very different tone, and
(23:33):
so I think they have been put in their place.
I think Israel has been very successful in the Middle East,
and I know that there are people who are always
concerned there's going to be fire, you know, fire, fire
flares up. But this guy Medoro down there in Venezuela,
he wants them out. The woman who won the Nobel
Peace Prize, Machado is the leader of the opposition in Venezuela.
(23:56):
Most people don't realize that. So what was a moment
in time where the Venzeuelan people might actually stand up
to Maduro and say, hey, you're out of here, or
some who knows.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, you know, Trump is not alone in these decisions either.
You know, there are people he's working with that know
these things. You know, like he has his intelligence is military.
You know, he might make the decisions or be in
charge or whatever, but he listens to he knows what
(24:30):
he's doing. I mean, he's not doing it alone.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's like a lot I think he's I think he's
a more effective president. He's pulled back tariffs on on
coffee and on on bananas, and there were a couple
of other issues that that he you know, he does
things boldly and then he does tend to pull back
(24:54):
things China. Now he's buying soybeans there.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But the reason, the only reason I'm mentioned the book
is because it chronically it puts every attack in order,
and it tells you factually everything that happened. And it's
absolutely amazing how many arrows have been shot at him
and eventually.
Speaker 12 (25:18):
You have to go to the shooter.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So those people who are shooting arrows at him. Back
to the original question, how do we feel about what
they said? I feel like they are absolute traders, but hopeful.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But they have they have they have a right. I
guess what I'm saying. He overreacts when he says, you know,
this is edition, this is this is treason. No, it's not,
it's it's they're exercising their first Amendment. And I think
he alienates people in the middle when he starts talking
about death death penalty, and I just don't think he
has the discipline, nor do his supporters have the backbone
(25:55):
to say, mister president, this hurts you. You know, I
think that right. I think that you and I probably
see it very similarly. Laurie, I loved your call. Have
you called you? Have you called before?
Speaker 10 (26:06):
Or no?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
No, we got to give you a round of applause
one time a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well we'll still give you a round of applause because
you at least the recent fresh caller. I want to
come on back more, would you please?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I really all right, Well, thank you, and good luck
with this question.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
I hope people listen what they said.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let's see what they say.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I think you and John agree with what they did,
because they didn't Now with Donald, you know how like
you said, they didn't say, what what are we talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Production them exempt? Really? That's what keeps them exempt, because
then it's.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Not slander because we can't prove it true or not.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You see, well, they have all sorts of protections. First
of all, Donald Trump's re public figure. You can't slander
him at this point, and realistically, at least, you know,
unless unless you you could say to him, if you know,
what you're saying is absolutely untrue. However, because he's a
public figure. New York Times Sullivan, you have a wide
field to run before before you call him. All right, Laurie,
(27:08):
I gotta run. Thanks so much, talking again. Thank you,
have a great night. Let me go to Brandon, who's
in calling in from Auburn. I assume that's Massachusetts. Brandon.
How are you tonight?
Speaker 13 (27:18):
I think so.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I think I'm here.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, pleasure to talk with you. And I don't know
if I've ever talked to a Brandon from Auburn before.
You have your Thanks for coming back, Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Absolutely, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What's your take on this?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
So? So as a registered independent here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 13 (27:45):
Enrolled, unenrolled, Yeah right, so, I just you know, look,
I I would love to see a time where everybody
can get together and learn to love one another and
work bipartisanship, leave, you know, and is that a right word?
Speaker 9 (28:03):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Butship, we're not going to have a cool moment. I
don't think something.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
No, we're not. But anyway, so here it is. Do
I think that you know what what has just happened?
You know, with his words and everything like that, it's
a little out of line absolutely out of line. Do
I think he's doing a decent job one percent. Absolutely,
But it's just like there's a time and place where,
(28:30):
you know, okay, you got to step back and and
think about what you're going to say. And it's just
unfortunate because one word can take over a whole nation,
and somebody can say he could say something, and somebody
can take it out of content, and then everybody said.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The whole the whole news cycle is going. You know
what It's like. It's always like sports win the game
on the field, mister president. Okay, don't don't give locker room,
don't give your bulletin board still to the other team.
You know, the professional athletes are really smart. They're playing
a lousy team. Whoever the Patriots are playing this weekend.
(29:08):
You would think that they were playing the you know,
the nineteen fifty six New York Giants or the nineteen
sixty five Green Bay Packers. They're a really great team.
They got a lot of great athletes. You're a twenty
three point favorite. They're not a great team, you know.
But he's the opposite. It's like he just his best
(29:29):
move on in the wake of this. Shut up, don't say.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Anything exactly, keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
It's like, dude, I mean, you know, look, I get,
I get the drug cartels are trying to you know,
past their product here in the United States. But you know,
I mean, like, do we really have to invade Venezuela.
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean that's you know, I don't think we have to,
and I don't think we will.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
No, absolutely not. I think it's more or less just
stretching muffles and saying, hey, we're America, now bring it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, I also think there's a fifty million dollar reward
on Maduro's head, oh yeah. And I think they're hoping.
And many people don't realize that the Nobel Peace Prize
winner is a woman named Machado who's the leader of
the opposition in Venezuela.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
And he's not even really the president. He just said,
you know what, I'm taking it over, screw.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It, El president for life. I think we had a
guy over at Cuba who pulled kind of the same
thing a few years ago, or a few decades ago,
I should say, Fidel.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And we know what happened to him, right right, I say.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
To hell with Fidel. Okay, yeah, you hope that's where.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
He is exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, all right, bred great, great call, great call, Thank
you so much. Come on back soon. Okay, man, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
We'll do sir, Thank you very well.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The only line is opened is when the Branda just
got off. Six point seven nine three, one ten thirty.
Coming right back. I got Donner in Framingham awaiting Eric
and Maine and Bill in Pennsylvania will be back on Nightside.
Eric is first up, followed by Donna coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, let's keep rolling, his promised. Eric is up
in Maine. Hey, Eric, next on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Welcome, Hey Dan, It's Eric from Maine. Now I'm not
my throwing anymore because I moved.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You did, come on, I did? Yeah, I was congratulation.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
I sold my business. I retired from the Navy Navy Reserve.
I flew with the Navy for active and reserve twenty
four years flying with them. Wow, and uh sold the
business down there in Reading and up there married.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Thank you for the service. How far up in Maine?
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Eric, I'm just a rundle because I worked for the.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Navy full time now on submarines. So I'm still doing it.
Speaker 12 (31:51):
I'm I'm an engineer over there for.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Them, finally using that degree from UMass, you know, and
uh that's why I do. I got out a work
at three pm this afternoon, and you know, I got
to my truck, looked at my phone and I was
just horror. For my blood's still kind of boiling, you know,
after all this, you know, I I'm like this, this
has to be AI. I thought AI made it up
at first. I'm like, this has to be made up
(32:13):
by AI. This can't be a real bit.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know, who are you more disappointed and more more
angry out of whatever the Democrats who decided.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
To I'm I'm I'm I'm angry at the Congressman. We
have the Hatch Act. Me as a serviceman all those years,
and even now where I work for the Navy full time,
I can't go to spray paint you know, Trump for
president or anyone for president on the side of my airplane.
I can't even hold a sign while I'm in uniform.
I mean, we're supposed to have that, you know, division
(32:42):
in our lives, and the Congressmen are supposed to you know,
let's they're not in my chain of command. You know,
the president is they're supposed to keep their opinions inside
the walls of the Capitol, and and when we come
out of the capitol, when they come out of the
capital's supposed to be one team, one fight, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And they.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
They they have the right to have speech, but they
can't be taught. They're not supposed to tell It's up
to them to voice their opinion in the Capitol. And
then that that that opinion goes through the Armed Services Committee,
goes through vote, goes through legislation and gets to the
serviceman and US.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And my question is do you think the president makes
a mistake. I think he made a huge mistake to
say this is treason.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
And sedition and I it's you know, we would we
bombed Blouse and Cambodia. We've done a lot of things
through the years without someone coming out of a congressman
coming out of the Capitol and trying to speak to
the serviceman directly. We I don't think anyone in the
military has any respect for on of those people in
the and that did that video, because that's not how.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
You do it.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
We're supposed to take our opinions.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Ever, any that official trying to speak to go, you know,
to basically go around the chain of command.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Uh, that was around the chain of command.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
That was just blatant.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, that was Layton. And I'm called for tell service
members something that they instinctively know. It would be like
if I did a video and said, well, I hope
that Page's really try to win this week because I'd
like to see them get to the super Bowl and
they have to they have to really try to win.
Of course they try to win.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yeah, we we know what we know what you c.
MJ tells us. We know all our rights, we know
what we're supposed to do. You know, we didn't need that,
and that's just it's insulting for us as service members.
But but it's insulting. It's insulting. I'm glad you brought
up the Monroe doctrine because I'm glad to hear that.
Speaker 12 (34:51):
I will say. I will say twenty years ago, I
was part of a mission in.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
An anti drug where we sunk a bot that had six.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
On the cocaine on it.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And that was twenty years ago. And we've been doing
this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A lot of things that are thank you.
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Yeah, I mean, we brought that.
Speaker 12 (35:08):
We brought the prisoners from the boat.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
There were twenty Colombians on the boat. We brought them
back to the US to stand trial, and we brought
evidence back all that. I was on a transport paint
playing with the Navy, and I went to South America Central.
I went to sixty five countries in the end. It
was crazy ride, but it was fun. It was, but
it was a crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Your service. I got to get one more caller in
here before the break, But Eric, a congratulations on your move.
I want to hear from you more often. Okay. I
love your calls. You know that. Thank you, my friend.
Thank you. All right, have a good night, you too, Eric.
Thanks Donna and framing him. Donna gets you in here
before the news. I'll hold you over if I have
to go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (35:46):
Oh, I'm glad to hear that. A couple of things
I would say right off the bat. You've talked in
the past. I just want to get this out of
the way about the eyeward being integrity. When you vote
for me, it's the sea word, which is character. That's okay,
(36:09):
I don't I don't think that Donald. That's why I
can't vote for Donald Trump, because I don't think he's
moral or ethical. Okay, So anyway, a couple of things.
If you call back, somebody said that he knows what
he's doing when he's got the great people around him.
That's not what's happening. They're not the same people that
wor they have a lot of time. Bill Bodd, John Bolton,
(36:32):
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I think he's got better people around him this time,
to be really honest.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
With Certainly we'll talk talking about that some other time.
But I remember, well, the one thing that I feel
most uh strongly is that I'm actually afraid of the president.
(36:59):
But anyway, I wanted to say that last time we
were president and they were talking about protesters. I don't
remember which protester was, he asked Mark Esper if he
could shoot the protesters in the legs. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (37:19):
Yeah, So what we're going to do, Dan wait for
another ken state before we do something to try to
make make stop making these too good rash comments. Okay,
that we have kem Skates again.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
No, look, you never know what happens tomorrow. Okay, but
he apparently asked that question, Uh, when things were getting
pretty close to the White House. Dumb question. Never should
have asked it. It should have been kept in confidence, frankly,
between Esper and the president. If the president in my opinion,
(38:02):
in my opinion, if you're serving the president of the
United States, you're going to disagree with me. But that's fine.
There there are certain comments and statements that you don't
go leak them to the press. And Okay, that's that's
my thought. I'll hold you through the news and we
can pick this up on the other side. Okay, well,
that's fine. I'd love to have you stay. We'll be
back right after the news with Donna. I have a
(38:24):
couple of lines open six one seven, two four ten
thirty is one six, one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We're talking about the statements made by Congress yesterday by
six members of Congress, all of whom it served in
the military, one in the CIA. Uh, and we're talking
about Donald Trump's reaction today, which I believe was overreaction.
I said it earlier, I'll say it again. We'll reset,
(38:45):
we'll play it again for you right after the eleven
o'clock news on night side light. The lines up stay
with us back after this
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