August 28, 2025 • 40 mins
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Have you ever had a paranormal experience? While some are skeptics, there are people who claim they’ve seen, felt or had a run in with a ghost. There is a whole industry dedicated to paranormal investigating. Charles Rosenay is a paranormal investigator with the ghost hunting team, The Shaman and the Showman and joined Bradley to discuss the upcoming Salem Paranormal Convention and took your calls sharing your paranormal encounters!
Have you ever had a paranormal experience? While some are skeptics, there are people who claim they’ve seen, felt or had a run in with a ghost. There is a whole industry dedicated to paranormal investigating. Charles Rosenay is a paranormal investigator with the ghost hunting team, The Shaman and the Showman and joined Bradley to discuss the upcoming Salem Paranormal Convention and took your calls sharing your paranormal encounters!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Beasy
Boxton's Beach Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks to Dan Rowkins for the news. I'm Bradley Jay
and for Dan. Tonight we're talking about ghosts. We're taking
it seriously and that should be a relief to any
of you who have seen a ghost or had a
paranormal experience. And we have been hearing stories of folks
who have and we'd like to hear yours. Six one seven,
two five, four ten thirty is the number six one seven,
(00:28):
two ten thirty. This is your opportunity. We're gonna get it.
Other folks might not believe you, We're gonna believe you
most probably. And our guest is Charles Rosenet, who's a
paranormal expert explorer. And uh, I have a couple of
(00:49):
questions for you now. But while folks are dialing to
tell their stories. One, what is a ghost? Charles?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That is a question that a friend of mine by
the name of Richard Felix. He's British and he was
on a TV show called Most Haunted and that is
the title of his book. And he does about three
or four hundred pages without being able to answer that
(01:17):
it's really, I guess the manifestation of residual energy. And
I'm using a lot of big words because you can't
explain it away that simply it could be something to
somebody and something to somebody else. You know, what we
think of as Casper the ghost, or that spooky thing
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that scares you in the middle of the night, that's
something completely different. Most of the time. Again, it's it's
not malevolent, it's benevolent. It probably hasn't crossed over because
it doesn't know that it can, or it doesn't want to. Perhaps,
you know, people say why a home haunted? Why certain
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places a theater, a school, a church. You know, the
most obvious places are the places that people spent the
most time in and had the best memories on and
don't want to leave. So it's logical. A lot of
it is logic. You know, if if there's a spirit
that hasn't moved on, it either doesn't know that it
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can or it doesn't want to. But what is a ghost?
I don't know. I would love to hear that definitive answer,
because I've not heard it yet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I guess you identifye what a ghost is by the
sum total of the examples of them that people see,
which is a long, a long definition. What does that
call it? An operational definite definition?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, and it's and it's and it's so again, it
could be so many levels of so many things.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
All Right, Florence in Groveland has a story for us. Hello, Florence.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hi, Bradley, Bradley, I've got something very interesting. But I
also want to tell both of you I feel like
a ghost, a spirit is an unresting spirit, and that's
what it is that they can't rest for whatever reason. Okay. Now,
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now I want to say my daughter has been going
through this for about three almost four years now. An
apartment that she's renting in her in a roommate, and
she has had experiences with when she gets up in
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the morning, two of her kitchen drawers are open and
the roommate's not home. My daughter was there alone when
she got up, and she said it happens every now
and then, and she doesn't believe that her two kiddies
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could do that, because she said, the drawers are lined up,
if that not one open more than the other, okay.
And then another time she was sitting on her couch
talking to me and all of a sudden, she said,
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real loud, Oh my god, And I said, what's that?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And she didn't answer me. And she was gone for
maybe ten minutes, no sound at all. And then she
evidently didn't bring her phone with her, and she came
back to the phone and she said, MA, while I
was talking to you, it sounded like somebody might have
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dropped a whole tree silverware on my kitchen floor. She
went out to the kitchen to book, nothing was disturbed,
she didn't seek anything, okay. And then one other thing happened.
She was in another room and she all of a sudden,
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in her living room, which was two rooms away, she
heard someone talking. She said it sounded like her roommate,
and that her roommate must have brought someone home because
it sounded like two people talking. And she went into
the living room and no one was there.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And she goes through this with the kitchen drawers a lot.
So many mornings a week or a month, she'll get
up and find those same two drawers open exactly the
same length.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That's very interesting, Florence and Grove. Let's ask Charles about
what that, you know, what might be going on there?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Florence to have a question for you. You said your daughter
has two cats.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, sorry, Florence has gone now.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I would have loved to have known if the cats
are ever like staring at walls unexplainedly, if they scratch
at certain areas of the of the apartment. Animals are
very very uh, very sensitive, far more than the humans
and children. If they're not taught that, you know, they
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they shouldn't have imaginary friends, or they shouldn't be seeing
things that aren't. There are also more at tuned, you know.
Then we grow out of it and we and we
you know, there's a there's a gift there that we
don't hone and that a lot of psych paranormal and
people who are in the field, you know, try to
try to really refine their skill and their gift. But others,
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you know, to try to hide it and mask it
and grow out of it. But I would have loved
to have known if there were at the two animals
were more sensitive than seeing and hearing things. With that case,
what she's describing, there's a number of odd things, you know,
the drawers open and all that. I would love to
know the history of where she lived, what was in
there before, how far the apartment goes back in time,
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and who was there before, and what's the reason they're
trying to communicate with her? But I believe all all
the situations.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She said, Yeah, Okay, after this break, I want to
since we don't we can't really define what a ghost is.
Maybe you can tell us after the break the different
kinds of ghosts, the different ways that they show up,
what people do see. After this, I'm WBZ.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We're talking about paranormal I guess it's Charles Rousene, a
paranormal investigator, and I'm curious about some of the more
common incarnations of ghostly appearances that you hear about. And
do you think that sometimes people describe ghosts in ways
they've heard goes describe rather than what they actually see.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, And I think our first caller is a perfect example.
He didn't know, he didn't know the term shadow figure,
but he sure described one, and that's a very common apparition.
I'm enjoying. I'll tell you, I'm really loving when I
do my larbary appearances and conventions. I do a lot
of talking, as you can tell, and I'll throw it out,
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and I'll say to the audience, please share your experiences
with me. Now, mind you, they've just raised their hand
and half, if not more, of the people have had experiences.
But when I'll invite them to share it, people are
very reluctant to do it. They'll wait till the presentation
is over, and then they'll light til I'm all packed
up and ready to leave, and they'll be waiting outside.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Hey, I got to tell you what happened?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
What do you think? And it's very private because I
think all these years people have been told, you know,
that they're crazy if they think they've seen a ghost,
they think they're crazy if they've had these experiences. But
then they do want to share it. So it's great
that we've given them a forum here to talk. I've
had because I'm not a medium and because I don't
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sense the things ourselves. My gift, my talent is that
I've been taking a lot of pictures over the past
five to ten years, and I learned that you take
a picture five different times, ten different times of the
same area, and hopefully you get results in one of
those pictures. And a perfect example of that is that
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was in the end Sonia, Connecticut opera house, an old
opera house. There's one doorway light was shining through, and
I just artistic, you wanted to take a bunch of
pictures of it. No one was allowed up there, it
was it was a condemned aary. You weren't allowed, for
safety reasons to even go up into that balcony or
mezzanine wherever that doorway was. Took a bunch of pictures,
and when I got home, in one of the pictures
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unmistakable as a shadow figure and it's it's you see
the shoulders, you see the head, and no face, of course,
no characteristics. I had to put that on the cover
of my book because it was so so obvious. And
you know, you hear about anything from feathers to birds,
to anything that connects from the afterlife could be considered, uh,
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you know, this, this apparition, this entity. I tend to
use the word spirit a lot more than I do
the word ghost, because you know, when you say ghost,
your mind look thinks of, you know, a white sheet
or whatever. And you know, people say, well, Charles, have
you had experiences yourself? And I have more recently, but
I'd forgotten that in college I had my most profound experience.
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And it exemplifies the word ghost as good as anything could.
And it's the legend of the Pink Lady in New Haven, Connecticut.
And sure enough I saw her so clearly. And she's
called the Pink Lady because she came out onto her
porch in a pink negligee and then drifted or dissipated
back into her home. And I didn't believe my eyes.
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After I was told the whole story, and then I
went to see it myself. I brought my parents the
very next night and told them the same story, brought
them to the house, and the same thing happened. The
same apparition came out, and I'd forgotten it when when
when I was ready to go to press with my book,
the publisher and the and the editor said, hey, where's
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your story? We need your a wow moment? And I
said I didn't have one, and I sat on it
and it hit me. It must have been a repressed memory.
I don't know what it was, but I remembered this, this,
this happening, this encounter, and sure enough I put it
in my book.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Cool, before you go on, give me a little test
favor and maybe take your mouth away from the receiver
of the phone just a little bit, because it's sometimes
when you're talking it gets distorted like you're breathing heart
into it. Give me a test one.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's me getting excited telling the story. But that should
be better right now?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yep. Good. We have a friend here, Robin Salem, who
would like to join us and perhaps tell us his story.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hi, Rob, Hey Bradley. Uh, I don't know, just listening
from the car and something weird happened to me about
thirty years ago. I was running an apartment in Marblehead
and woke up in the middle of the night and
thought somebody was in my bedroom and there was like
a person standing over me in gray overalls and like
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a white and I jumped out of bed and ran
right into the dresser. And my girlfriend at the time
wakes up and goes, what's going on, And you know,
I told her what happened. He says, got you crazy.
And so the next day I ran into the landlord
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and I said to him, I told him what happened,
and he says, oh, don't worry about that. That's so
and So's great great grandmother, a great great aunt and
I'm like, what, okay, so you know, and to file
that away. A few years later does the house get
sold and the new guy buys that I'm still ramping
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the first floor and I tell him the story. One night,
we're having some drinks down in Maddie's and I tell
him the story and he, you know, we laugh about it,
and uh. A few months later, well and he says,
you know, don't ever tell my wife that story. I'm like, okay, fine.
A few months later, they have some people visiting from
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California and the one of the people she wouldn't go,
and she wouldn't stay in the house. She said the
energy was all weird. That's okay. So now now fast
forward to two thousand and eight. I buy another house
up in Marblehead and I got a guy painting that.
We become friends and we start talking and he hands
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me a He comes over one day and he's got
a box of these stories that were written for a
park and rec book to raise money. And I'm looking
at these stories and they're all by old time Marbleheaders.
And one of the stories I look at it, it
says a Marblehead ghost story. And I look at them
and the first line was when I was first married,
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I lived at so and so about sorry, sorry about that, Bradley,
Yeah it uh you know. And then it just told
the story and and I couldn't believe. I was like, wow,
So anyways, I thought i'd share that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, great story.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That was a whole for me. You know, when someone
says they woke up out of bed and saw something
and they ran out, I always will always say, first,
are you sure you are in dreaming? But the fact
that his was get credibility because the same thing happened
and there's a history behind it. Wow, that's a wow one.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Okay, here's a question. Actually I don't even want you
to answer it, because I'm going to start answering it.
I'm going to answer the different steps of it myself.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What is a ghost?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
What is a ghost? A ghost is energy? Where does it?
Where does the energy come from? Because any source of
energy is not everlasting. If it's a battery, you know,
it dies. Any source of energy burns out, even nuclear
energy burns out. One thing that's problematic in my belief
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of this is why wouldn't whatever this energy is burn
out it's not like the ghost is eating and has
calories that become energy. There's no there's no source of
continued energy. If it's energy, why does it continue? Do
you have us? And now you can answer that, I definitely.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Have an answer for that. I don't feel that they're
on the same timeline as we are, and there being
or their existence might equate to fifty years to our
one year, and they might in fact burn out eventually.
But the fact that they're not constantly with us, that
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they only appear so rarely and occasionally, let's credibility to
the fact that there might be various timelines in this
world and they're on a separate timeline than we are.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Okay, I have to think about that and find a
problem with it. Later, we have Sean in Marshfield. Hey, Sean,
thanks for being with us.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah, no problem. I have a cool ghost story from
the Queen Mary that's in Long Beach, California, notoriously haunted ship. Okay,
So I was out there January, and obviously I'm like,
there's no way this is a real ghost starting a thing.
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Blah blah blah. I was taking a shower in one
of the rooms and there's like no windows in the
bathroom anything, no way air could have gotten in, and
the shower curtain just suddenly like opened like a quarter
of the way. It was freaky. There was like nothing
that could have possibly made it open.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It was very odd.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That is odd. So this is a good time for
me to ask a question of our guest paranormal investigative
childce Rosene. Can ghost touch you? And if they, if
they can't touch things, how can they open a shower curtain?
And if they can touch you, why can't they hurt you?
People say you ghosts can't hurt you. So either they
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can touch you or they can't. And if they can't,
how can they open the show occurtain? And if they can,
why can't they pick a knife up a knife and
stab you?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
All Right? So if we believe my if we believe
my timeline theory, it takes a lot, a lot, a lot,
and it takes a perfect timing for them to be
in the same place in the same time and to
even cause a paper to ruffle, or or a shower
to open, or dress a kitchen drawer to open, any
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of the above. It's that much more energy. I mean,
they might they might be mustering up ten years of
contained energy in order to do any of the above,
and maybe fifty years to touch. Do you feel your hair?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Wait, something just touched my hair and you scratch and
nothing touched it. You know that that could be just
a passing thing. No, the amount of energy that it
would take to get a scratch to get touched is
just incomprehensible. And the amount of time, if you believe
my time my theory, how long it would have taken
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to build up enough energy to do that, to take
a knife and to lift a knife and to stab.
It's just it's not gonna happen. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I found a problem with your time different theory you're saying,
because right now you said they can save up energy,
which means they're gathering energy, which means they're getting energy
from somewhere. And so what again, I say, what is
this source of energy?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's time and it's not a physicality. When you compare
it to a battery, a battery is consistent and then
it dies. I don't believe there's a consistency. A spirit
is not in that room twenty four hours for four years.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
As you say, you have to save up energy. That
means it's getting more energy from somewhere and saving it
up and not expending it and saving it up to
get the energy to polish hower curtain the corner of
the way off.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
When I say saving it, I mean that it's perhaps
that's something that it would have tried to do to
make itself known for maybe two years before that, and
it just so happened that that was the time that
it was finally able to do it, and it did
it when the gentleman was on the ple Mary, these
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are just theories I don't have.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You need a better one, and I have a couple.
Here's a couple. Okay. They could just hang around near
electrical outlets and through osmosis get some stray electrons. Or
maybe let's see, maybe they in the sun every once
in a while and they have an ability to to
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uh maybe the stay near windows and are able to
convert solar energy into kinetic energy. I don't know, but
I'm not disbelieving you. I just want better theories.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
That's fair, and that's fair, and uh, you know why
why does you know? There's endless whys and not enough
because and I'll be the first to say that, you know,
why does your your door start barking at a door
when nobody's there, and and and maybe gets up in
the middle of the night at four twelve in the
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morning every morning at a and goes to a certain
part of the house and scratches at the door. There's
a lot of whys, and there's very few.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Because okay, thanks, thank you very much, John for sharing that.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
One one more thing real quick. So when when the
shower curtain opened, we actually had a few EMF readers
with us. The thing was going to freeze in the bathroom.
There's like an explanation for that.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
How did you happen to have readers? Then? Uh?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
We we We had actually bought them in preparation for
the for the stay of the Queen Mary.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh okay, I see, okay, very good. So part of
your reason for staying there was to see maybe experience
them something paranormal exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You scored, you scored, you scored not Yeah, I think
you had the meters and you had an actual movement.
I mean that this is something that people go on
investigations at twenty times and it doesn't happen once. This
is you know, what we what we I don't say
pray for, but this is what we uh, you know,
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we we try to reach for these things to happen.
And you had it happened. That's that's great. I think
that's amazing. There's no again, no explanation on why we
don't know who that person, you know, where that spirit
was and Wyatt did it with you at that time.
But to get both of those, that's that's that's TV
ghost shows. Pray for that and you got it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Thank you, Sean. I appreciate it. And during the break, Charles,
it sounds like you're on speakerphone now, and if you are,
can you move slightly closer so it's not so echo.
We we're gonna go to the news now on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We continue with paranormal researcher examiner hunter Charles Rosene and
I do want to before we go, allow you or
ask you to talk about the Salem Para con and
also about your book and also about your I guess
those two things.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I appreciate that and hopefully I'm sounding perfectly clear now. Yes,
Salem Para, it's our fourth year of bringing a world
class paranormal convention to Salem, Massachusetts. We do it at
Salem State University on the South Campus and this year
it's one day only, Saturday, November fifteenth. It's from noon
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to five pm. And it's packed with vendors and guest
speakers and panelists and paranormal experts who know far more
than I do and can answer things better than I
ever could. And it's just a fun event. And the
website is Salemparacon dot org for that event, and we'd
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love to see people there. In the evening, we're doing
a connected event, one of our most intense, hopefully or
maybe not paranormal investigations of a building in Salem that
used to be used to be a funeral home and
it's currently the home of the Satanic temple. And we
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don't do anything Satanic, we don't worship, we don't have
anything to do with anything Satanic. But we're doing purely
an investigation of what is the Salem Art Gallery and
it's housed in the same building. So that's the evening
of the Salem Paricon and my book, and I'm so
proud of you the book.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What is the vendors vend at a paricon, at a
paranormal convention.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, a great question. So there's a lot of authors
and they're peddling, you know, their books. Obviously, there's people
who are selling a tarot cards. There's people who are
selling crystals, a lot of metaphysical things, a lot of
things that are genre connected. You mentioned aliens. There's always
one vendor who's selling all kinds of alien choskas. Someone
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else will sell scented soaps. The vendors are just the
wide variants. But because there's a horror horror element to
the whole event, some people have you know, monster models
and magazines and horror film merch, so that's all tied
in and there's a lot of that. Others sell the
paranormal equipment, the meters that the gentlemen referred to earlier
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and those and those type of things. So you can't
imagine when you go to an event like that, the
variances of what's being sold and exhibited at the convention.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Do you know you do go sending expeditions in your
local area of Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yes, every other month.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay. Can you talk about the equipment like in detail
that you bring. What are the people equipment and what
do they do, what do they measure?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Sure, So we bring usually four or five pieces of equipment.
And it's again my my the other, my other half
in this, in this partnership of the shaman and the
showman is an expert on the equipment. But you know
what he says. He says, the best equipment is your mind.
And can bring all the meters and all these and
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I'll tell you a little bit about them, but he says,
you go to a place with an open mind, and
the most amazing things happen. And you know, after he
said that, we were located at a place in Bristol, Bristol, Connecticut.
We were in an old, ancient orifice that was once
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a candy store and once a button factory and now
it was a residential home and three floors. Not much
happened on the first floor, second floor really creepy, but
you know, nothing really. We went to the third floor
and he'd given out all the equipment and all the meters,
and one person had something that just registers numbers and
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when it peaks higher, it means there's most supposedly more
energy than when it's at zero. Another meter is it's
like like, if you're seeing the mission impossible laser lines
and you shoot that at a wall, and if there's
any breaks in the laser lines, and I know there's
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better wording than I can do here, but if you
see any breaks, well that's a possible entity crossing the
laser lines. There's cats balls, which are these tiny little
toys that cats would normally play with, and you leave
them in the center of the room and see if
at any point they're pushed across. These are all from
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the most simple to the most complex, and the most
complex is the melimeter, and that it serves as like
white noise. And if you're going through let's say we're
turning the AM dial and you hear a little static
and then a few words and a little static in
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a few words. But we're on the third floor of
this building and everyone's got the meters and Thomas, my partner,
Thomas Gormley, the shaman, tries to communicate. We found out
that this was the children's nursery, and he says, and
he says, if you're there, please talk to me, and
he goes, will tell me your name, Maybe I'll tell
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you my name. And when he says maybe I'll tell
you my name, Crystal Clear. You hear the static and
then you hear Thomas, and then it went back to static,
and it was just everyone went, oh my gosh, because
you don't expect that clarity on these meters. They're just
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so you know, oh well, if one spikes from a
zero to at tend you think you get great results.
We were on ancient trolley, one of those trolley museums,
and it was a trolley that had been had been retired,
it wasn't used, and we did an investigation on all
the trolleys, and on one everyone was getting this weird.
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One person was nauseous, another person felt like a heaviness
on their heart. And the meters were going crazy. The
meters were spiking like if he went to one hundred,
they were near one hundred, and you were getting all
kinds of static and all kinds of words. And Thomas
tried to communicate and he got messaging and he was
talking to a spirit named Billy and it was Billy this,
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Billy that. And the reason he couldn't cross over was
because he was killed in the war before he went
to college. He always wanted to go to college. And
Thomas thought about it, and he analyzed it and he
and he said, Billy, you can cross over. Now you're
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serving us in the war. Was your college? That was college?
That was college? Billy?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And at once the meters went back to zero, the
white noise went on a steady flow. Everyone who said
they felt the heaviness and the pressure dissipated like that.
And I think that was a rare case where my
Sham and Thomas got actually crossed over someone while we
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were doing one of our paranormal investigations.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Here's a question, kind of tough. Well maybe not. Are
ghosts alive or dead?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I don't think they're either. I think they were alive
and now they're in whatever whatever realm it is that
is certainly not alive or dead.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well you have to be well, let's let's take a
look at that. Okay, let me change change that. Are
they alive or not alive? Because he can't be both.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
No, they're not alive.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, Are they dead or not dead?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They're not dead? Well, yeah, I think they're I think
they're dead and they're continuing on even though they're dead.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay, so you can't kill them, you can help them, Yeah,
but can Can you make them go away? Can you
extinguish whatever this energy is that is creating this form
that you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You can if all the participants are willing to do that.
And I say that, and I'll tell you something and
you'll say, oh my gosh, you're right. So many times
you get called in to do a cleansing. I don't
want to use the word exorcism, but to exercise the spirit,
because it's beyond the you just opening a few drawers.
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It's keeping people up at night. It's starting to touch
and I don't know, you know what other manifestations it does.
So you come in and you try to forcibly make
it move on. A lot of times the people who
are affected don't want it to move on, and once
it's moved on, they miss it and they try to
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conjure it back and it's not logical, but we get
a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So some people, you know, might not want to be
scared all the time and touched in the middle of
the night. They might want the spirit to go away.
Are there ways to do that? Don't tell me the
way is, Just tell me if there are ways.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
There are people who have done things that work, and
so there are there are ways, for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yes, do you know what those are? Don't tell me,
but do you know what they are?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I know what some of them are, and I don't
know which work in all situations and which don't.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Okay, So after this very brief break, we want to
remind people about sale and para con again and your book.
The title of your book, and you can share a
couple of those ghost cleansing methods that work. Right after
this on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You're on night Side with on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Rather Jacob Dan tonight, and I want to remind you
that if you any a segment on Nightside or a
whole segment, you can and anytime just simply google Nightside
on demand and check the podcast and listen to the
whole thing at your leisure. It's really Nightside on Demand.
Now we we wrap up here with Charles Rose and
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who is a paranormal expert, and we just want to
I just wanted to find out a couple of ways
that have been shown to be effective in cleansing the
cleansing the room, an area of an apparition, a ghost,
an entity.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I will preface by saying I'm not an expert, and
I don't know if you can be an expert, but
you could be as experienced as possible. One of the
best ways, in the simplest ways, and you wouldn't believe,
is to just tell the spirit to move on, either
in in a rational way, as if you were talking
to a child or a grandparent or any person it's
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time to go, oh, I'm sorry, or if necessary, a
little more firmly. That usually works as silly as it
as it sounds. Other ways are heightened ways is I
guess purification is the word opening windows, lighting incense, letting
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in as much sunlight as possible, but also burning burning stage.
And then a follow up would be to cleanse the
room thoroughly, I mean literally bleach everything, create spiritual barriers
if possible by lining salt along doorways and windows. Salt
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does the trick very strongly. And then prayers. Prayers are
also a big part of it. Those are the most
common common ways, I guess. If they're more you know, difficult,
to move on, and then I think that's when you
call in a you know, a paranormal expert, a paranormal team,
an exorcist if necessary. You know, there's different levels of necessity.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, your book, what's the title again? And where can
you get it?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
True ghost Stories of Connecticut. And you love it even
if you're not from Connecticut, if you just love ghost stories,
it's an amazing book, all true stories. That was the criteria.
They had to be true. And I'm working on a
follow up and it's New England. So if there's any
of our friends out there who want to contribute, we
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welcome it. They can visit the website and send in
their stories and if it's good enough, I'll include it.
The website is Paranormal Connecticut dot com. But all my books,
I have four books out and this one especially is
on Amazon. You can always get it on Amazon, True
ghost Stories of Connecticut. And I'll have it for sale.
(36:47):
I'll have it for sale November fifteenth at the Salem
Para Con in Salem State University.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, I'll talk about that again in the moment. But
if someone wants to get in touch with you to
share ay ghost story lack of a better word, they
can contact us the information they find at your website.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yes, and if it's easier, Salempara Con at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, Now, the convention again, we have time to give
the info on that.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I appreciate it. Saturday, November fifteenth, from noon to five pm.
Great special guests if you go to the website now
we already have tickets on sale, but we also have
some of our preliminary guests up on the website. And
it's the people who are in the horror field. It's
people who are paranormal experts. People. We have one guy
(37:39):
who's he's a paranormal animal expert and he can communicate
with animals on the other side for people who've lost
their animals and lost their beloved pets. So a lot
of things like that and psychics and readers and authors
and it's Salemparicon dot Org November fifteen at Salem State
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University from noon to five pm.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Thank you, Charles Rosene. Make sure I spell your name
right for the people.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I'm just oh E Nay Rose followed by Nay Roseeney.
And make it google that if they want to find
me in all my other affectations.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's thanks so much for doing a great job and
being very entertaining and illuminating. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Well.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I love that you have me and this has been
a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Okay, bye bye, let's see. So we've got three two minutes.
How you doing it? Two minutes? Two minutes too. I'll
chat with you a little bit. You know, I have
so many guests. At some point I think I'd like
to do a show with fewer guests so I can
chat more of more in an open, open line, open
(38:51):
forum kind of situation. Plus, I have so many small
questions that pop up into my mind that don't not
really something that could probably carry for a whole hour,
and they couldn't really be dedicated topics. Some of them could.
I've run some of them by. You don't call about
them now, But there are thoughts that I have like this. Recently,
(39:17):
there was a Who concert and some people said it
was great and other people said, ooh no, not great,
and it was sad. But the question would be, is
it better to not go see your rock and roll
heroes and just stick with the memory that you have
(39:37):
that's so good, or is it better to go see
them again and pay eighteen dollars per beer? You know
that's a thing with me. Will I have an opinion?
I will not share that now, but I would ask
you what you think on that, and then I would
also ask you about examples. I would ask you tell
me about a show you went they were old but good,
(40:01):
like probably Paul McCartney, right, Or tell me about a
disappointing show where they were where you were sad. What else?
Oh yeah, here's another question. Probably couldn't go a whole hour.
But should you have to ask someone to take their
photo in public? Not legally? Just do you think it's
the right thing to do. I don't think you should
(40:24):
have to. You're in public, you should be I don't
think you have a right to an expectation of privacy.
And you should always look at your best in case
somebody takes your photo. Stuff like that. So if you
want to get to know me a little bit, get
more in direct touch with me. Remember BRADLEYJ. Dot Org
say it with me, BRADLEYJ. Spelled Jay dot Org, Bradley
(40:48):
J dot Org the best. I'm so happy to be
reconnected with you, and I'll speak with you tomorrow on
WBZ
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Beasy
Boxton's Beach Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks to Dan Rowkins for the news. I'm Bradley Jay
and for Dan. Tonight we're talking about ghosts. We're taking
it seriously and that should be a relief to any
of you who have seen a ghost or had a
paranormal experience. And we have been hearing stories of folks
who have and we'd like to hear yours. Six one seven,
two five, four ten thirty is the number six one seven,
(00:28):
two ten thirty. This is your opportunity. We're gonna get it.
Other folks might not believe you, We're gonna believe you
most probably. And our guest is Charles Rosenet, who's a
paranormal expert explorer. And uh, I have a couple of
(00:49):
questions for you now. But while folks are dialing to
tell their stories. One, what is a ghost? Charles?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That is a question that a friend of mine by
the name of Richard Felix. He's British and he was
on a TV show called Most Haunted and that is
the title of his book. And he does about three
or four hundred pages without being able to answer that
(01:17):
it's really, I guess the manifestation of residual energy. And
I'm using a lot of big words because you can't
explain it away that simply it could be something to
somebody and something to somebody else. You know, what we
think of as Casper the ghost, or that spooky thing
(01:39):
that scares you in the middle of the night, that's
something completely different. Most of the time. Again, it's it's
not malevolent, it's benevolent. It probably hasn't crossed over because
it doesn't know that it can, or it doesn't want to. Perhaps,
you know, people say why a home haunted? Why certain
(02:02):
places a theater, a school, a church. You know, the
most obvious places are the places that people spent the
most time in and had the best memories on and
don't want to leave. So it's logical. A lot of
it is logic. You know, if if there's a spirit
that hasn't moved on, it either doesn't know that it
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can or it doesn't want to. But what is a ghost?
I don't know. I would love to hear that definitive answer,
because I've not heard it yet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I guess you identifye what a ghost is by the
sum total of the examples of them that people see,
which is a long, a long definition. What does that
call it? An operational definite definition?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, and it's and it's and it's so again, it
could be so many levels of so many things.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
All Right, Florence in Groveland has a story for us. Hello, Florence.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hi, Bradley, Bradley, I've got something very interesting. But I
also want to tell both of you I feel like
a ghost, a spirit is an unresting spirit, and that's
what it is that they can't rest for whatever reason. Okay. Now,
(03:21):
now I want to say my daughter has been going
through this for about three almost four years now. An
apartment that she's renting in her in a roommate, and
she has had experiences with when she gets up in
(03:43):
the morning, two of her kitchen drawers are open and
the roommate's not home. My daughter was there alone when
she got up, and she said it happens every now
and then, and she doesn't believe that her two kiddies
(04:04):
could do that, because she said, the drawers are lined up,
if that not one open more than the other, okay.
And then another time she was sitting on her couch
talking to me and all of a sudden, she said,
(04:25):
real loud, Oh my god, And I said, what's that?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And she didn't answer me. And she was gone for
maybe ten minutes, no sound at all. And then she
evidently didn't bring her phone with her, and she came
back to the phone and she said, MA, while I
was talking to you, it sounded like somebody might have
(04:58):
dropped a whole tree silverware on my kitchen floor. She
went out to the kitchen to book, nothing was disturbed,
she didn't seek anything, okay. And then one other thing happened.
She was in another room and she all of a sudden,
(05:20):
in her living room, which was two rooms away, she
heard someone talking. She said it sounded like her roommate,
and that her roommate must have brought someone home because
it sounded like two people talking. And she went into
the living room and no one was there.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And she goes through this with the kitchen drawers a lot.
So many mornings a week or a month, she'll get
up and find those same two drawers open exactly the
same length.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That's very interesting, Florence and Grove. Let's ask Charles about
what that, you know, what might be going on there?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Florence to have a question for you. You said your daughter
has two cats.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, sorry, Florence has gone now.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I would have loved to have known if the cats
are ever like staring at walls unexplainedly, if they scratch
at certain areas of the of the apartment. Animals are
very very uh, very sensitive, far more than the humans
and children. If they're not taught that, you know, they
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they shouldn't have imaginary friends, or they shouldn't be seeing
things that aren't. There are also more at tuned, you know.
Then we grow out of it and we and we
you know, there's a there's a gift there that we
don't hone and that a lot of psych paranormal and
people who are in the field, you know, try to
try to really refine their skill and their gift. But others,
(07:04):
you know, to try to hide it and mask it
and grow out of it. But I would have loved
to have known if there were at the two animals
were more sensitive than seeing and hearing things. With that case,
what she's describing, there's a number of odd things, you know,
the drawers open and all that. I would love to
know the history of where she lived, what was in
there before, how far the apartment goes back in time,
(07:28):
and who was there before, and what's the reason they're
trying to communicate with her? But I believe all all
the situations.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She said, Yeah, Okay, after this break, I want to
since we don't we can't really define what a ghost is.
Maybe you can tell us after the break the different
kinds of ghosts, the different ways that they show up,
what people do see. After this, I'm WBZ.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We're talking about paranormal I guess it's Charles Rousene, a
paranormal investigator, and I'm curious about some of the more
common incarnations of ghostly appearances that you hear about. And
do you think that sometimes people describe ghosts in ways
they've heard goes describe rather than what they actually see.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, And I think our first caller is a perfect example.
He didn't know, he didn't know the term shadow figure,
but he sure described one, and that's a very common apparition.
I'm enjoying. I'll tell you, I'm really loving when I
do my larbary appearances and conventions. I do a lot
of talking, as you can tell, and I'll throw it out,
(08:43):
and I'll say to the audience, please share your experiences
with me. Now, mind you, they've just raised their hand
and half, if not more, of the people have had experiences.
But when I'll invite them to share it, people are
very reluctant to do it. They'll wait till the presentation
is over, and then they'll light til I'm all packed
up and ready to leave, and they'll be waiting outside.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Hey, I got to tell you what happened?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
What do you think? And it's very private because I
think all these years people have been told, you know,
that they're crazy if they think they've seen a ghost,
they think they're crazy if they've had these experiences. But
then they do want to share it. So it's great
that we've given them a forum here to talk. I've
had because I'm not a medium and because I don't
(09:30):
sense the things ourselves. My gift, my talent is that
I've been taking a lot of pictures over the past
five to ten years, and I learned that you take
a picture five different times, ten different times of the
same area, and hopefully you get results in one of
those pictures. And a perfect example of that is that
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was in the end Sonia, Connecticut opera house, an old
opera house. There's one doorway light was shining through, and
I just artistic, you wanted to take a bunch of
pictures of it. No one was allowed up there, it
was it was a condemned aary. You weren't allowed, for
safety reasons to even go up into that balcony or
mezzanine wherever that doorway was. Took a bunch of pictures,
and when I got home, in one of the pictures
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unmistakable as a shadow figure and it's it's you see
the shoulders, you see the head, and no face, of course,
no characteristics. I had to put that on the cover
of my book because it was so so obvious. And
you know, you hear about anything from feathers to birds,
to anything that connects from the afterlife could be considered, uh,
(10:37):
you know, this, this apparition, this entity. I tend to
use the word spirit a lot more than I do
the word ghost, because you know, when you say ghost,
your mind look thinks of, you know, a white sheet
or whatever. And you know, people say, well, Charles, have
you had experiences yourself? And I have more recently, but
I'd forgotten that in college I had my most profound experience.
(11:02):
And it exemplifies the word ghost as good as anything could.
And it's the legend of the Pink Lady in New Haven, Connecticut.
And sure enough I saw her so clearly. And she's
called the Pink Lady because she came out onto her
porch in a pink negligee and then drifted or dissipated
back into her home. And I didn't believe my eyes.
(11:23):
After I was told the whole story, and then I
went to see it myself. I brought my parents the
very next night and told them the same story, brought
them to the house, and the same thing happened. The
same apparition came out, and I'd forgotten it when when
when I was ready to go to press with my book,
the publisher and the and the editor said, hey, where's
(11:46):
your story? We need your a wow moment? And I
said I didn't have one, and I sat on it
and it hit me. It must have been a repressed memory.
I don't know what it was, but I remembered this, this,
this happening, this encounter, and sure enough I put it
in my book.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Cool, before you go on, give me a little test
favor and maybe take your mouth away from the receiver
of the phone just a little bit, because it's sometimes
when you're talking it gets distorted like you're breathing heart
into it. Give me a test one.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's me getting excited telling the story. But that should
be better right now?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yep. Good. We have a friend here, Robin Salem, who
would like to join us and perhaps tell us his story.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hi, Rob, Hey Bradley. Uh, I don't know, just listening
from the car and something weird happened to me about
thirty years ago. I was running an apartment in Marblehead
and woke up in the middle of the night and
thought somebody was in my bedroom and there was like
a person standing over me in gray overalls and like
(12:46):
a white and I jumped out of bed and ran
right into the dresser. And my girlfriend at the time
wakes up and goes, what's going on, And you know,
I told her what happened. He says, got you crazy.
And so the next day I ran into the landlord
(13:06):
and I said to him, I told him what happened,
and he says, oh, don't worry about that. That's so
and So's great great grandmother, a great great aunt and
I'm like, what, okay, so you know, and to file
that away. A few years later does the house get
sold and the new guy buys that I'm still ramping
(13:29):
the first floor and I tell him the story. One night,
we're having some drinks down in Maddie's and I tell
him the story and he, you know, we laugh about it,
and uh. A few months later, well and he says,
you know, don't ever tell my wife that story. I'm like, okay, fine.
A few months later, they have some people visiting from
(13:52):
California and the one of the people she wouldn't go,
and she wouldn't stay in the house. She said the
energy was all weird. That's okay. So now now fast
forward to two thousand and eight. I buy another house
up in Marblehead and I got a guy painting that.
We become friends and we start talking and he hands
(14:15):
me a He comes over one day and he's got
a box of these stories that were written for a
park and rec book to raise money. And I'm looking
at these stories and they're all by old time Marbleheaders.
And one of the stories I look at it, it
says a Marblehead ghost story. And I look at them
and the first line was when I was first married,
(14:39):
I lived at so and so about sorry, sorry about that, Bradley,
Yeah it uh you know. And then it just told
the story and and I couldn't believe. I was like, wow,
So anyways, I thought i'd share that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, great story.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That was a whole for me. You know, when someone
says they woke up out of bed and saw something
and they ran out, I always will always say, first,
are you sure you are in dreaming? But the fact
that his was get credibility because the same thing happened
and there's a history behind it. Wow, that's a wow one.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Okay, here's a question. Actually I don't even want you
to answer it, because I'm going to start answering it.
I'm going to answer the different steps of it myself.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What is a ghost?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
What is a ghost? A ghost is energy? Where does it?
Where does the energy come from? Because any source of
energy is not everlasting. If it's a battery, you know,
it dies. Any source of energy burns out, even nuclear
energy burns out. One thing that's problematic in my belief
(15:50):
of this is why wouldn't whatever this energy is burn
out it's not like the ghost is eating and has
calories that become energy. There's no there's no source of
continued energy. If it's energy, why does it continue? Do
you have us? And now you can answer that, I definitely.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Have an answer for that. I don't feel that they're
on the same timeline as we are, and there being
or their existence might equate to fifty years to our
one year, and they might in fact burn out eventually.
But the fact that they're not constantly with us, that
(16:34):
they only appear so rarely and occasionally, let's credibility to
the fact that there might be various timelines in this
world and they're on a separate timeline than we are.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Okay, I have to think about that and find a
problem with it. Later, we have Sean in Marshfield. Hey, Sean,
thanks for being with us.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah, no problem. I have a cool ghost story from
the Queen Mary that's in Long Beach, California, notoriously haunted ship. Okay,
So I was out there January, and obviously I'm like,
there's no way this is a real ghost starting a thing.
(17:21):
Blah blah blah. I was taking a shower in one
of the rooms and there's like no windows in the
bathroom anything, no way air could have gotten in, and
the shower curtain just suddenly like opened like a quarter
of the way. It was freaky. There was like nothing
that could have possibly made it open.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It was very odd.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That is odd. So this is a good time for
me to ask a question of our guest paranormal investigative
childce Rosene. Can ghost touch you? And if they, if
they can't touch things, how can they open a shower curtain?
And if they can touch you, why can't they hurt you?
People say you ghosts can't hurt you. So either they
(18:04):
can touch you or they can't. And if they can't,
how can they open the show occurtain? And if they can,
why can't they pick a knife up a knife and
stab you?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
All Right? So if we believe my if we believe
my timeline theory, it takes a lot, a lot, a lot,
and it takes a perfect timing for them to be
in the same place in the same time and to
even cause a paper to ruffle, or or a shower
to open, or dress a kitchen drawer to open, any
(18:37):
of the above. It's that much more energy. I mean,
they might they might be mustering up ten years of
contained energy in order to do any of the above,
and maybe fifty years to touch. Do you feel your hair?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Wait, something just touched my hair and you scratch and
nothing touched it. You know that that could be just
a passing thing. No, the amount of energy that it
would take to get a scratch to get touched is
just incomprehensible. And the amount of time, if you believe
my time my theory, how long it would have taken
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to build up enough energy to do that, to take
a knife and to lift a knife and to stab.
It's just it's not gonna happen. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I found a problem with your time different theory you're saying,
because right now you said they can save up energy,
which means they're gathering energy, which means they're getting energy
from somewhere. And so what again, I say, what is
this source of energy?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's time and it's not a physicality. When you compare
it to a battery, a battery is consistent and then
it dies. I don't believe there's a consistency. A spirit
is not in that room twenty four hours for four years.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
As you say, you have to save up energy. That
means it's getting more energy from somewhere and saving it
up and not expending it and saving it up to
get the energy to polish hower curtain the corner of
the way off.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
When I say saving it, I mean that it's perhaps
that's something that it would have tried to do to
make itself known for maybe two years before that, and
it just so happened that that was the time that
it was finally able to do it, and it did
it when the gentleman was on the ple Mary, these
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are just theories I don't have.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You need a better one, and I have a couple.
Here's a couple. Okay. They could just hang around near
electrical outlets and through osmosis get some stray electrons. Or
maybe let's see, maybe they in the sun every once
in a while and they have an ability to to
(21:04):
uh maybe the stay near windows and are able to
convert solar energy into kinetic energy. I don't know, but
I'm not disbelieving you. I just want better theories.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
That's fair, and that's fair, and uh, you know why
why does you know? There's endless whys and not enough
because and I'll be the first to say that, you know,
why does your your door start barking at a door
when nobody's there, and and and maybe gets up in
the middle of the night at four twelve in the
(21:37):
morning every morning at a and goes to a certain
part of the house and scratches at the door. There's
a lot of whys, and there's very few.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Because okay, thanks, thank you very much, John for sharing that.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
One one more thing real quick. So when when the
shower curtain opened, we actually had a few EMF readers
with us. The thing was going to freeze in the bathroom.
There's like an explanation for that.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
How did you happen to have readers? Then? Uh?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
We we We had actually bought them in preparation for
the for the stay of the Queen Mary.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh okay, I see, okay, very good. So part of
your reason for staying there was to see maybe experience
them something paranormal exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You scored, you scored, you scored not Yeah, I think
you had the meters and you had an actual movement.
I mean that this is something that people go on
investigations at twenty times and it doesn't happen once. This
is you know, what we what we I don't say
pray for, but this is what we uh, you know,
(22:49):
we we try to reach for these things to happen.
And you had it happened. That's that's great. I think
that's amazing. There's no again, no explanation on why we
don't know who that person, you know, where that spirit
was and Wyatt did it with you at that time.
But to get both of those, that's that's that's TV
ghost shows. Pray for that and you got it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Thank you, Sean. I appreciate it. And during the break, Charles,
it sounds like you're on speakerphone now, and if you are,
can you move slightly closer so it's not so echo.
We we're gonna go to the news now on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We continue with paranormal researcher examiner hunter Charles Rosene and
I do want to before we go, allow you or
ask you to talk about the Salem Para con and
also about your book and also about your I guess
those two things.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I appreciate that and hopefully I'm sounding perfectly clear now. Yes,
Salem Para, it's our fourth year of bringing a world
class paranormal convention to Salem, Massachusetts. We do it at
Salem State University on the South Campus and this year
it's one day only, Saturday, November fifteenth. It's from noon
(24:16):
to five pm. And it's packed with vendors and guest
speakers and panelists and paranormal experts who know far more
than I do and can answer things better than I
ever could. And it's just a fun event. And the
website is Salemparacon dot org for that event, and we'd
(24:38):
love to see people there. In the evening, we're doing
a connected event, one of our most intense, hopefully or
maybe not paranormal investigations of a building in Salem that
used to be used to be a funeral home and
it's currently the home of the Satanic temple. And we
(25:01):
don't do anything Satanic, we don't worship, we don't have
anything to do with anything Satanic. But we're doing purely
an investigation of what is the Salem Art Gallery and
it's housed in the same building. So that's the evening
of the Salem Paricon and my book, and I'm so
proud of you the book.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
What is the vendors vend at a paricon, at a
paranormal convention.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, a great question. So there's a lot of authors
and they're peddling, you know, their books. Obviously, there's people
who are selling a tarot cards. There's people who are
selling crystals, a lot of metaphysical things, a lot of
things that are genre connected. You mentioned aliens. There's always
one vendor who's selling all kinds of alien choskas. Someone
(25:50):
else will sell scented soaps. The vendors are just the
wide variants. But because there's a horror horror element to
the whole event, some people have you know, monster models
and magazines and horror film merch, so that's all tied
in and there's a lot of that. Others sell the
paranormal equipment, the meters that the gentlemen referred to earlier
(26:14):
and those and those type of things. So you can't
imagine when you go to an event like that, the
variances of what's being sold and exhibited at the convention.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Do you know you do go sending expeditions in your
local area of Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yes, every other month.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay. Can you talk about the equipment like in detail
that you bring. What are the people equipment and what
do they do, what do they measure?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Sure, So we bring usually four or five pieces of equipment.
And it's again my my the other, my other half
in this, in this partnership of the shaman and the
showman is an expert on the equipment. But you know
what he says. He says, the best equipment is your mind.
And can bring all the meters and all these and
(27:01):
I'll tell you a little bit about them, but he says,
you go to a place with an open mind, and
the most amazing things happen. And you know, after he
said that, we were located at a place in Bristol, Bristol, Connecticut.
We were in an old, ancient orifice that was once
(27:22):
a candy store and once a button factory and now
it was a residential home and three floors. Not much
happened on the first floor, second floor really creepy, but
you know, nothing really. We went to the third floor
and he'd given out all the equipment and all the meters,
and one person had something that just registers numbers and
(27:45):
when it peaks higher, it means there's most supposedly more
energy than when it's at zero. Another meter is it's
like like, if you're seeing the mission impossible laser lines
and you shoot that at a wall, and if there's
any breaks in the laser lines, and I know there's
(28:06):
better wording than I can do here, but if you
see any breaks, well that's a possible entity crossing the
laser lines. There's cats balls, which are these tiny little
toys that cats would normally play with, and you leave
them in the center of the room and see if
at any point they're pushed across. These are all from
(28:28):
the most simple to the most complex, and the most
complex is the melimeter, and that it serves as like
white noise. And if you're going through let's say we're
turning the AM dial and you hear a little static
and then a few words and a little static in
(28:48):
a few words. But we're on the third floor of
this building and everyone's got the meters and Thomas, my partner,
Thomas Gormley, the shaman, tries to communicate. We found out
that this was the children's nursery, and he says, and
he says, if you're there, please talk to me, and
he goes, will tell me your name, Maybe I'll tell
(29:10):
you my name. And when he says maybe I'll tell
you my name, Crystal Clear. You hear the static and
then you hear Thomas, and then it went back to static,
and it was just everyone went, oh my gosh, because
you don't expect that clarity on these meters. They're just
(29:34):
so you know, oh well, if one spikes from a
zero to at tend you think you get great results.
We were on ancient trolley, one of those trolley museums,
and it was a trolley that had been had been retired,
it wasn't used, and we did an investigation on all
the trolleys, and on one everyone was getting this weird.
(29:55):
One person was nauseous, another person felt like a heaviness
on their heart. And the meters were going crazy. The
meters were spiking like if he went to one hundred,
they were near one hundred, and you were getting all
kinds of static and all kinds of words. And Thomas
tried to communicate and he got messaging and he was
talking to a spirit named Billy and it was Billy this,
(30:19):
Billy that. And the reason he couldn't cross over was
because he was killed in the war before he went
to college. He always wanted to go to college. And
Thomas thought about it, and he analyzed it and he
and he said, Billy, you can cross over. Now you're
(30:40):
serving us in the war. Was your college? That was college?
That was college? Billy?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And at once the meters went back to zero, the
white noise went on a steady flow. Everyone who said
they felt the heaviness and the pressure dissipated like that.
And I think that was a rare case where my
Sham and Thomas got actually crossed over someone while we
(31:11):
were doing one of our paranormal investigations.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Here's a question, kind of tough. Well maybe not. Are
ghosts alive or dead?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I don't think they're either. I think they were alive
and now they're in whatever whatever realm it is that
is certainly not alive or dead.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well you have to be well, let's let's take a
look at that. Okay, let me change change that. Are
they alive or not alive? Because he can't be both.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
No, they're not alive.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, Are they dead or not dead?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They're not dead? Well, yeah, I think they're I think
they're dead and they're continuing on even though they're dead.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay, so you can't kill them, you can help them, Yeah,
but can Can you make them go away? Can you
extinguish whatever this energy is that is creating this form
that you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You can if all the participants are willing to do that.
And I say that, and I'll tell you something and
you'll say, oh my gosh, you're right. So many times
you get called in to do a cleansing. I don't
want to use the word exorcism, but to exercise the spirit,
because it's beyond the you just opening a few drawers.
(32:34):
It's keeping people up at night. It's starting to touch
and I don't know, you know what other manifestations it does.
So you come in and you try to forcibly make
it move on. A lot of times the people who
are affected don't want it to move on, and once
it's moved on, they miss it and they try to
(32:55):
conjure it back and it's not logical, but we get
a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So some people, you know, might not want to be
scared all the time and touched in the middle of
the night. They might want the spirit to go away.
Are there ways to do that? Don't tell me the
way is, Just tell me if there are ways.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
There are people who have done things that work, and
so there are there are ways, for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yes, do you know what those are? Don't tell me,
but do you know what they are?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I know what some of them are, and I don't
know which work in all situations and which don't.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Okay, So after this very brief break, we want to
remind people about sale and para con again and your book.
The title of your book, and you can share a
couple of those ghost cleansing methods that work. Right after
this on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You're on night Side with on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Rather Jacob Dan tonight, and I want to remind you
that if you any a segment on Nightside or a
whole segment, you can and anytime just simply google Nightside
on demand and check the podcast and listen to the
whole thing at your leisure. It's really Nightside on Demand.
Now we we wrap up here with Charles Rose and
(34:17):
who is a paranormal expert, and we just want to
I just wanted to find out a couple of ways
that have been shown to be effective in cleansing the
cleansing the room, an area of an apparition, a ghost,
an entity.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I will preface by saying I'm not an expert, and
I don't know if you can be an expert, but
you could be as experienced as possible. One of the
best ways, in the simplest ways, and you wouldn't believe,
is to just tell the spirit to move on, either
in in a rational way, as if you were talking
to a child or a grandparent or any person it's
(34:59):
time to go, oh, I'm sorry, or if necessary, a
little more firmly. That usually works as silly as it
as it sounds. Other ways are heightened ways is I
guess purification is the word opening windows, lighting incense, letting
(35:20):
in as much sunlight as possible, but also burning burning stage.
And then a follow up would be to cleanse the
room thoroughly, I mean literally bleach everything, create spiritual barriers
if possible by lining salt along doorways and windows. Salt
(35:40):
does the trick very strongly. And then prayers. Prayers are
also a big part of it. Those are the most
common common ways, I guess. If they're more you know, difficult,
to move on, and then I think that's when you
call in a you know, a paranormal expert, a paranormal team,
an exorcist if necessary. You know, there's different levels of necessity.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, your book, what's the title again? And where can
you get it?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
True ghost Stories of Connecticut. And you love it even
if you're not from Connecticut, if you just love ghost stories,
it's an amazing book, all true stories. That was the criteria.
They had to be true. And I'm working on a
follow up and it's New England. So if there's any
of our friends out there who want to contribute, we
(36:27):
welcome it. They can visit the website and send in
their stories and if it's good enough, I'll include it.
The website is Paranormal Connecticut dot com. But all my books,
I have four books out and this one especially is
on Amazon. You can always get it on Amazon, True
ghost Stories of Connecticut. And I'll have it for sale.
(36:47):
I'll have it for sale November fifteenth at the Salem
Para Con in Salem State University.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, I'll talk about that again in the moment. But
if someone wants to get in touch with you to
share ay ghost story lack of a better word, they
can contact us the information they find at your website.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yes, and if it's easier, Salempara Con at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, Now, the convention again, we have time to give
the info on that.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I appreciate it. Saturday, November fifteenth, from noon to five pm.
Great special guests if you go to the website now
we already have tickets on sale, but we also have
some of our preliminary guests up on the website. And
it's the people who are in the horror field. It's
people who are paranormal experts. People. We have one guy
(37:39):
who's he's a paranormal animal expert and he can communicate
with animals on the other side for people who've lost
their animals and lost their beloved pets. So a lot
of things like that and psychics and readers and authors
and it's Salemparicon dot Org November fifteen at Salem State
(38:01):
University from noon to five pm.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Thank you, Charles Rosene. Make sure I spell your name
right for the people.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I'm just oh E Nay Rose followed by Nay Roseeney.
And make it google that if they want to find
me in all my other affectations.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's thanks so much for doing a great job and
being very entertaining and illuminating. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Well.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I love that you have me and this has been
a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Okay, bye bye, let's see. So we've got three two minutes.
How you doing it? Two minutes? Two minutes too. I'll
chat with you a little bit. You know, I have
so many guests. At some point I think I'd like
to do a show with fewer guests so I can
chat more of more in an open, open line, open
(38:51):
forum kind of situation. Plus, I have so many small
questions that pop up into my mind that don't not
really something that could probably carry for a whole hour,
and they couldn't really be dedicated topics. Some of them could.
I've run some of them by. You don't call about
them now, But there are thoughts that I have like this. Recently,
(39:17):
there was a Who concert and some people said it
was great and other people said, ooh no, not great,
and it was sad. But the question would be, is
it better to not go see your rock and roll
heroes and just stick with the memory that you have
(39:37):
that's so good, or is it better to go see
them again and pay eighteen dollars per beer? You know
that's a thing with me. Will I have an opinion?
I will not share that now, but I would ask
you what you think on that, and then I would
also ask you about examples. I would ask you tell
me about a show you went they were old but good,
(40:01):
like probably Paul McCartney, right, Or tell me about a
disappointing show where they were where you were sad. What else?
Oh yeah, here's another question. Probably couldn't go a whole hour.
But should you have to ask someone to take their
photo in public? Not legally? Just do you think it's
the right thing to do. I don't think you should
(40:24):
have to. You're in public, you should be I don't
think you have a right to an expectation of privacy.
And you should always look at your best in case
somebody takes your photo. Stuff like that. So if you
want to get to know me a little bit, get
more in direct touch with me. Remember BRADLEYJ. Dot Org
say it with me, BRADLEYJ. Spelled Jay dot Org, Bradley
(40:48):
J dot Org the best. I'm so happy to be
reconnected with you, and I'll speak with you tomorrow on
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