September 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Continued conversation about the 24th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attack that rocked our nation and whether the history of 9/11 should be a mandatory part of the MA public schools curriculum.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night with Dan Ray on Boston's Radio. Welcome back everyone.
We're going to continue our conversation from last hour. We
will continue to talk about nine to eleven. The twenty
fourth anniversary of that horrific day will occur this Thursday,
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two days from now. The twenty fifth anniversary of nine
to eleven, two thousand and one will occur a year
or two days from now. And I was stunned to
find out today in talking with Pat Bavis, whose brother
Mark died on that plane. There were two guys connected
with the world of hockey, Mark Bavis, who had played
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four years at BU and also had played minor league
hockey in the American Hockey League, as well as for
those older Bruins fans, Ace Bailey Garnett Ace Bailey who
played in the Bobby Orr era. They were both working
for the Los Angeles Kings and they were on Flight
one seventy five heading to Los Angeles, which obviously crashed
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into the World Trade Center. The story of nine to
eleven has to be told in history classes in Massachusetts.
It is not currently told in those classes in Massachusetts,
and that is to me a real oversight. And I
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don't know if it's an intentional oversight or an unintentional oversight,
but it needs to be corrected, and it needs to
be corrected quickly. It needs to be part of the
mandatory curriculum of every high school, public high school, and
you can't mandate private high schools, but it should be
also a part of every private, every high school education
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in Massachusetts because kids who are now eighteen years old
are seventeen years old juniors or seniors in high school,
living a career before they were born, so they may
know nothing of it. They may think it was a
movie or something or but it has to be taught.
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And I hope that you will join me and everyone
else here on nightside to advocate with our state reps
and our state senators that it has to pass as
a law and it has to be signed into law
by whoever is the governor. That's what we want to
have happened, as we hope will happen, and we need
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your voices, your voices tonight to talk about it and
your voices to advocate for it in your communities. Going
to go back to our callers, Going to go next
to Matt, who's checking in from Brighton. Matt appreciates your
holding through the news. You are next on nightside.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Go right ahead, no problem at all.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
If mister Bavis is still on, No, he's not with.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Us, I let him go. He's had some very long days.
Does he stay with us for an hour? So he's
not with us, but he very well might be listening
mat Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Nevertheless, I send my deep condolences.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Of course.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know I was nine ten years old when this happened.
My mother worked in the Federal Building and in Boston,
and I remember being pulled out of a school and
where I was at. And this is something fundamental, as
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you said, not only for public schools to have be
taught be implemented, but private schools. This cannot be you know,
one or the other. In my opinion, I understand these
schools can be one a private school, but this needs
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to be taught.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This is private schools are going to be regulated less.
But at the same time, if public schools set the standard,
and I think that they should, I'm sure the most
of the private schools would follow soon. And it could
be that many of the private schools now are doing
just this.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, well, I would hope so, because when I was
when this happened. I was at a Judai private school
and that happened just at the time, and it was
very instrumental. It's something so important. We need this to
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be pervasively taught. This is such an important an American
and just a national and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Also Massachusetts related. I mean the two planes that flew
into the.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Towers of course, you know, out of a name and
then down to uh right, And I just wanted to
say that, and I wanted to say to Okay, he's
no longer on.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, we got it, baby, we got it. Matt. You
did a great job. And I think we can leave
it there. You support the idea of it being a
mandatory unit history unit that will be taught in the
junior year, which is so important. And uh and and
you have expecial condolences, and I appreciated it.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
One thing I said last year that a tongue Lewin, uh,
Daniel Lewin, the first person who was killed on the
plane who I knew was a great man, and that
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was he was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He a pilot because I believe that the first class.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
He was in first class and he is the head
of uh, you know, a international you know uh, you
know computer company that he was.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
The first done too.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Right, Thanks sire, Thank you's agreement.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Thanks very much. Let me get back to Christian uh
in Peobley he called last hour. Christian, you've called back.
Hopefully our connection is better this time, go right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ahead, is much better.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
And my message is short.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
But it's paramount is that there's a message to be said,
and it is history and what happens it is wisdom,
and wisdom usually comes at a very high price and a
painful one. And we cannot allow sensitivities to overrule wisdom
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because you can't sell yourself short. If it stirs bad feelings,
then somebody who wants to.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
Say you can't do that. Put your feelings aside and
look at the wisdom you will waste. And if we
waste the wisdom, then what happens to the next generation.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can't let that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Couldn't agree with you more, Christian. I appreciate you taking
the time to call back.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
Now, Oh you've got things to get on with this,
but I wish want to know one thing.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Can I show up there at Thursday at the State
House and see this.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, my understanding is it's open to the public and
oftentimes if they have an overflow crowd, they will have
They'll have other rooms that people can go to and watch.
So they they've done this now for many years. They
know what to anticipate and what to expect. And you know,
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I would say, I would tell you parking at the
State House is at a premium. I don't know how
well you know downtown, but you may just you can
just go to the Park Street station and you'll be
all set.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Sounds like a plan. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Thanks, I appreciate you call. Thanks again. I know that
I'm preaching here a little bit, but I don't mind
preaching because I'm advocating for something that I think needs
to be done. And I would love to have you
join the conversation and lend you a voice to the
chorus here on night side Tonight, the whole history of
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nine to eleven, what happened? You can just say just
the facts, simple as that the terrorists came here, they
stayed here, They were amongst us, they lived amongst us.
They were aware of what our society is about freedom,
and yet they decided that they could not tolerate. They
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came here and fifteen of the passengers fifteen of the
terrorists were correct from Saudi Arabia. Okay, that can never
be forgotten. There are lawsuits going on, but we must
never forget. It's as simple as that. And the way
to never forget is to make sure the kids who
are graduating high school right now, they very well have
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gone through their high school education and some have no
knowledge of nine to eleven. And got to tell you,
there's a lot of distractions for kids in high school,
whether it's TikTok and social media. They won't learn about
nine to eleven from that. They need to be taught
about it for in a history class. It is part
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of our history, not history that is enjoyable. But we
have to. We have to. We have no choice. And
the fact that it's not a mandatory unit in a
history curriculum for high school juniors is a disgrace. I
should have asked Bevis. He said, there's only four states
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that have a mandatory UH unit of teaching, and one
of them is not Massachusetts. We need to change it.
If you agree, if you disagree, six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Coming right back on Night Side Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
All right, we've got a couple of open lines here.
I want I want to hear voices. Uh. And by
the way, uh, I have Denise coming up in a
moment from andover. But we're are the rest of my
female callers tonight on this Ladies and gentlemen. This is
a this is a subject that we should coalesce around
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,
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ten thirty. The memory of the Americans who died must
never be forgotten. As simple as that. Let me go
to Jeff and Newton next. Jeff, you're next on nightside.
Speaker 11 (10:53):
Go right ahead, Yeah, Hi, it's very important. Topolic Uh.
Better way Newton is celebrating. We'll commemorating this this Thursday
at six o'clock at the Fire Department in Newton Center.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I appreciate, I appreciate that. As a matter of fact,
we're going to have as a special guest on Thursday night,
the night of nine to eleven, at nine o'clock, a
listener to this program and a friend of mine, Ron Gondett,
who actually was with one of the emergency crews that
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left from here to go to nine to eleven, to
go to New York, and we'll explain how that happened.
He's going to speak at the at the nine to
eleven ceremony a year from now. It would be one
of the speakers there. And by the way, this is
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not Jeff. This is Jack from Newton, Okay, So I
don't know how we get Jeff up at the boy Jack,
welcome back right ahead.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm Jack Porter. Can I can I tell you
a very strange story that has to do with nine
to eleven. Very a good friend of mine, the late
Chris Leonard, He was a real estate broker in Brighton,
and he told me the story that one day the
two Arab looking guys came into his office. One was
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very well dressed at a rolotics watch and he spoke
good English, and the other one was very shaky and nervous,
et cetera. And they were looking for an apartment and
a place to stay for just a month or two.
And that's who he was. He was Mohamed, And it
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just brings chills to my spine.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You asked me who I guess it was, I said,
Mohammad atta atta.
Speaker 11 (12:47):
Yeah, So that people met them before they did the deed.
People saw them, people knew something was going to happen,
and they didn't follow through, and the FBI didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, there was an FBI agent in Minneapolis, a female
agent who had had in my show, and she found
out that they were taking some of these guys, the
nineteen were taking flying instructions at a flying school in Minnesota,
and they did not want to learn how to take
off or how to land. They just wanted to learn
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how to fly a plane when it was up in
the air. And she reported that up the chain of
command to the FBI without success. No one followed up
on it.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Yeah, they're just blater and but Chris Leonard actually met
Mohammad Atte and talked to him and joked with him,
and he mentioned how nervous the other guy and when
he wanted to say something would say to the other guy,
shut up.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. Well, Atta was the leader of the pack. He
ended up staying in Portland being there was a group Jack.
There was a group who stayed on Soldiers Field Road
there that weekend they partied hardy. I'm told there were
drugs and UH and uh and ladies of the evening.
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If you get my drift at the Ramata Inn. What
was the Ramata Inn on soldiers Field Road next to
the old Boston Skating Rink.
Speaker 11 (14:19):
Well, I also heard that they stayed at a place
on Route nine. So Chris met them, other people met
them at it. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist
or you know, something like that, But we just dropped
the ball, I think again, in not you know, moving
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forward on these guys at a time, I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well I do as well. I mean, there were there
were signs they were here, they lived amongst us. It
wasn't as if they flew in and the next day
they detonated a bomb somewhere. They went through security and
all of that. They they they checked again if if
the people at the I'm in on soldiers Field Road
had called the police department, because later on they they
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reported to the police that these guys had trashed the
rooms there. They had you know, a wild time. If
you get my drift, they they weren't living by the
rules of the Kouran okay, hardly.
Speaker 11 (15:20):
Hard very expensive watchers. Role says they knew what they're
going to die. But I just I just say this
in honor of my friend Chris and his memory that
nobody ever did a story about Chris.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I wish I had known. If I had known you
when I was a reporter at Channel four, I would
have sat down with him. You kidding me? That would
He would have been a wealth of information.
Speaker 11 (15:43):
I know, I know nobody did.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Said Okay, Jack, we'll talk soon. Thank you much, appreciate it,
Thank you. All right. We're going to go next to
Denise in h and over and Denise is a teacher. Hi, Denise, welcome,
Thank you for calling. How are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Hey Dan, I'm like I've upset about women are calling
and not I want more educators to call because forty
nine years from twenty one to seventy, I retired when
I was seventy teach your principal superintendent on those state committees,
don't we're too involved in worrying about test scores. So
I mean, I could I could talk to all the
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other issues you're mentioning. I had friends, I come from
New York, Ah, my friends YadA.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
But as an educator, our hand, I mean all I
hear is what should be taught. Everybody has an opinion.
Nobody I want to teach empathy. I want to teach
the lessons of nine one one, but we don't get there.
We're too concerned with what are we going to do
to get those reading scores out there?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
My teacher friends tell me it's always teaching the test.
Teaches the test, teacher the test.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
What I'm saying, yeah, and there's no room for teaching
you know what the lessons that can come from nine
to one one everything from understanding you know, world relations,
to empathy, to love, to thinking about the people who
lost the loved ones the fire, and it's all gone.
We had such a wonderful opportunity to use that, and
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we're too worried about teaching to the test. And where
pete the state is breathing Linda McMahon she wants to
close the education department in Washington because of test scores
were so low. That was the headline today.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, by the way, I did read some reports today
that showed that I believe and this is off the
top of my head, so if I'm wrong, feel free
to correct me. That amongst eighth graders and twelfth graders,
since twenty twenty, their test scores for reading and math
have dropped, even though a lot of the school departments
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have been forcing the teachers to teach to the test.
It has not worked out the way. Let me ask you, Denise,
as a teacher, I don't know, did you happen to
be a history teacher or no?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You probably I started as a history teacher, but most
of my career was as a principal and then as
a faculty member, teaching young women and men to be teachers.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Sure, okay, and we were. You were a role model
for what a teacher should be. My question to you is,
I'm told that the question of nine to eleven, whether
it is taught in a school system or not, is
up to the local school system. If there was a
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piece of legislation proposed which would make it mandatory for
every school system in Massachusetts to have a history unit
dealing with nine to eleven because it's such a big event,
and it also is an event that started here in Massachusetts,
both Massachusetts, you know, because of the connection, more people
from New York and Massachusetts were impacted than anywhere else
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in the country. We were all impacted, but certainly impacted differently.
So my question is, how would you feel as a
either as a teacher or as a superintendent. If the
legislature said, we want to make sure every high school
junior is taught a unit, however you describe it, and
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you probably know the better term, a portion of their
seventh their junior year in high school, would be devoted
to the history of nine to eleven.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I think it would be welcomed. I think there are
ways to weave it through the curriculum. I think it
could be so valuable. If it was mandated, we would
absolutely welcome it. We're tired of mandating let's teach this
rope memorization of you know, we teach the test, we
teach how to take tests, and that's mandated, so we
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have to So if you tell me that now we're
going to mandate something as important as nine to one
one and all the things that it offers, like empathy
and terrorism and world politics, we would welcome it. But
nobody ever goes to a school committee or to the state.
There are state meetings on curriculum. I've been on curriculum
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committees at the state level. There it's so political about
what should be taught and who should decide. Certainly it's
not the teachers. The teachers don't get to decide, but
we would, we would get behind it in a second,
and I will help you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You will be so stay tuned because I will certainly
use my microphone and help my audience to to be
involved and to and and to get get involved. If this,
if this this.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Idea, you're serious, we will mobilize.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I will.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I will mobilize all my retired friends as well as
all the student teachers and teacher candidates that I am
now supervising.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, Denise, uh, stay tuned. I will I will
try to work with Pat Davis, the fellow who was
on it. Did you hear my guest at ten o'clock?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah? Oh my god, I wish he was still in
my heart. I was crying, you know, like I mean,
there's a lot of things that this represents. And but
see crying. You're not supposed to cry. You're supposed to teach.
How are you going to make it on a test
if you if you're too empathetic?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Anyway, Denise, thanks to what you're following. Appreciate it very much.
All right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh wait, thank you very Wait by bye?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh the only lines open six six one. See, ladies,
don't let Denise be the only female caller on this topic.
This is a topic that affects everyone. Men and women,
Innocent men and women died on nine to eleven. We
cannot forget nine to eleven. We must never forget nine eleven.
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And we'll be right back on Nightside after the news
at the bottom of the hour. You're on Nightside with
Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. We're talking about
nine to eleven. Two days from now. There will be
a commemoration ceremony at the State House. Two days from now.
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It is the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven.
So the question before us tonight is whether or not.
And I was surprised to find this out that nine
to eleven is not a mandatory history unit in Massachusetts
public school high schools, public high school history classes. To me,
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that is amazing. The only lines open. And I'm looking
particularly for lady callers tonight. Okay, Denise is the first
woman who had the courage to call. This is an
easy one, folks. This is when everyone should get behind.
No reason not to teach what happened on nine to eleven.
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And I sense a hesitation from some of you in
the audience. We've had a lot of calls, we will continue.
The only lines that are open right now are six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Next up is Ron in wayneth Ron, you
are next on nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
Well, thank you very much, and of course I'm going
to make it quick as I can to have let
other people talk. But of course I was in I
was on duty in the Federal Building in Boston when
we were attacked. So but the main thing I'm calling
is what the subject is tonight, and that's about it's
not being taught in the schools. But actually I understand
the fourteen states actually now that do teach it, but
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none of Massachusetts does not, Rhode Island does not, New Hampshire, Maine,
none of those.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well I had last hour. Ron. I don't know if
you were listening. Pat Davis on whose brother Mark who
was killed on Flight one seventy five, died on Flight
one seventy five.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I heard about that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Kat told me, and I can remember very specifically what
he said. That are the fifty states. There are only
four states, not fourteen four that had this prandatory.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
I'm looking at it now. I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Good.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, which is that if you're looking. I don't know
what you're googled? Do you google that on the internet? Ye,
give me a roll call, can do me a favor,
I'd like a roll call. What are the states the
teach it? I wonder if there are any are in
our region? Go ahead, tell us the.
Speaker 10 (24:38):
Fourteen New York, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia,
South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, it's interesting. There's a bunch of both red and
blue states there. You have Texas and New York. You
have Illinois and Maryland, which are deep blue states. Politically,
this is not a political issue. The people who died
on those planes and the firefighters who died going into
those buildings were you know, Democrats, Republicans, independents. They were
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all backgrounds racially, et cetera. And remember the feeling that
we had in this country at that time that the
country was under attack, and it wasn't a good feeling,
but I'll tell you it was a feeling that we
were united. So Ron, thank you for correcting that. And
maybe I misheard Pat Davis. I don't think that is.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yeah, he misheard I think they didn't see the fourteen.
They saw the four probably, But did you know that
the only govern in the in the United States from Massachusetts,
Paul Salucci, had had prepared us for a mass attack
like that, and he had all kinds of exercises. This
is well, he died, he was gone. There was another
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devil after he left. But before it happened, he was,
you know, planning on our list. They were having demonstrations
and exercises, and the people thought he was crazy. And
we were the only ones prepared for it. The MBTA
in Massachusetts and Boston, they were prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And I believe, by the way, let me just correct
you on that. And this is something I believe.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I believe Paul Salucci was governor. He became governor in
nineteen ninety seven when Bill Well resigned in pursuit of
the ambassadorship.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Oh that's right, he left office early, but a lady
took over. She must have been the next one.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, no, yeah, let me just I can correct you.
So you corrected me and I took the correction. Let
me correct you. Salucci ran for governor in nineteen ninety
eight against Scott Hushburger and he had won that election
and he would have been governor in nineteen ninety one
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at the time of nine to eleven.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
He then was succeeded by James Swift.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Woman, wasn't it. Yeah, her name was James Swiss, Jane Swift.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Kay, she is the lieutenant governor.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I can find out exactly when when Swift.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Believe she was governor at the time. I know he
gets sick or something. But it's just amazing that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Again Ron not to not to try to be a
know it all, but Paul Salucci did get sick. He
sadly died early, but he became the US ambassador to Canada.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
That is that is correct?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Yes, that's fine.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
And you know that there was another terrorist plan attack
in Boston and it was thwarted by the people that
I know in the Secret Service and FBI in Boston,
and they they thwarted it and they were planning to
there was an overhead railway do you remember, and.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
Not stationed and we and then we're going to blow
it up and have her come down on the people.
And it was exposed because two of the terrorists was
speaking fasty, and somebody happened to speak that language, and
they ran in the Federal Building and went to the
Secret Service about her.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So, actually, I'm going to correct myself now. Jane Swift
was assumed the office of governor in Massachusetts just four
months before that. She was the acting governor of Massachusetts
from April tenth of two thousand and one to January
two of two thousand and three, so she was the
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acting governor here for a little less than two years,
and she was the governor the acting governor at the
time of the attack. So yeah, okay, all right, thanks
very much, Ron, I got to keep holding. You've got
a lot of calls to get to tonight, and I.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Thank you for you for keeping me on the line
so long, and I got to get off. Get somebody
else on.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
All right, Thank you much. Let's go to Edin Marshfield. Hey, Ed,
you're next on nightside.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Welcome Hawaii, Dan. Yeah.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
I worked for United Airlines and uh watch watch the
United plane push from the gate fueled the plane next
to it, and they had two colleagues on that plane
with I think Mark Davis and H.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Billy were on that plane also. I think it was
Flight seventy five.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Seventy five if that was the American Flight or or.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
The United American was I think ninety three or something. Yeah,
like anyway, anyways, I think this this test that they
push on these kids, maybe maybe some of the answers
should be about nine to eleven and then they would
be forced to Yeah, well they can. They can make
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it a you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, no, I said that they can make it mandatory
as as a unit in right, as a junior in history.
I think when in your junior year in history, I
don't think you should be teaching nine to eleven and
kids in the fourth grade because it's it's not age appropriate.
Too early, and they you know, that's not something that
they think some kids might be able to handle it.
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But but by time you were a junior in high
school and before you graduate, look senior year. You know
most of us remember senior year, and people are kind
of goofing off, et cetera. I want them to get
this you're junior in high school because when you think
about it, if you're eighteen years old today in twenty
twenty five, you were born in two thousand and seven,
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you were born six years probably after.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
Yeesh, crazy time goes by. One other thing is like
it was. I gonna say, oh, I lost my train
of thought.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
Well I'll let you go.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I know you got more, all right, and I appreciate
you taking the time call. Thank you, sir, appreciate it
all right. All right, let me get one more in
here before the break. I got a couple of lines.
One is a six one set. Well, the only two
lines are six one seven now six one seven four
ten thirty. Dan is in Worcester. Dan, you were next
on nightside.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
Welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Thank you very much. I just wanted to say, it's
that horrible, horrible event you know, was terrible affected so
many people, but it also it also touched me very
painfully in many ways. First of all, I had i'd
stayed up late reading that night, and when I woke up,
you know, the second they said that plane had I'd
foller in had hit the tower in New York, that
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it was an accident.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I know that's what they were reporting initially, they but
they knew it was no accident once the second.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Plane, but then immediately they said, oh there's another coming another.
I said, oh my god, there's something even going on.
But but but, but, but you know, for anybody who
they should show, you know, high school students the videos
of people falling out of this was saying, no, how
this is a serious thing, very serious thing now for me.
I then I left and I said that when I
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was when when I was at Park Street station in
the LBTA, I ran into this lady who was crying,
and she heard that I was from Kenya, so so
she kept talking to me. I said, why are you crying?
She says, so, please help me raise some money because
my son has been killed in the tower.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
My son.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But but I want to add, I want to add that,
you know, shortly before that, three years before that, there
was the Nairobie attempts to bomb the United States embassy
embassy in ny and Darisa, m Antonia. The Kenyan Tantania
lost and I had lost my my favorite uncle's you know.
The daughter told my cousin who was my age mat?
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Who you know was my age mat? And I'd been
advising on many things. You know, when when the Kenyan
security forces actually blocked the trucks from going to the embassy,
they actually turned around and they blasted the headquarters of
the Teacher Service Commission the last not okay.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well again, I'm sure that that's history that is important
to you. But I, Daniel, I need to focus on
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I'm saying that it should be taught, should be taught,
and I think history is best taught when it's comprehensive,
so that people understand, you know, you know, you know
it shouldn't must know that, and you know, and with
questions that did deep into what was going on day.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My answer is yes, it
should be taught. That's all I need.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Tonight. We can. We can talk about other topics other nights,
that's for sure. Daniel has always I appreciate your calling,
your perspective. Thank you. I have a good night, you too, Okay,
got lines at six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.
I got John in New York coming up. I got
Tom and Lancaster, Massachusetts. We will be back on night side.
I think this is an important topic. Feel free to
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join the conversation here if you haven't. We got some
open lines at six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.
This has been an important subject. It's certainly I hope
prepares most of you, most of you for what is
going to happen two days from now. Uh, we cannot
we can never forget. We'll be back on Nightside right
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after this.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
It's Night's Eye with.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Okay, we're gonna wrap it up here. Let's take it
on home. I'm gonna go next to John in the
state of New York, a New York state of mind.
Hey John, welcome.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, Hi Dan, I'm the John that you wish to.
Good luck with the far distant girlfriend. I don't know
if you recall.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I recall you very well. How's your how's your relationship going?
I hope everything's going well.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
So far, so good, it's still going along good.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
So anyhow did you get relocated from the Philippines.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Or No, No, she's working on it. Uh, she's in us,
our business on that end.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay. I hope. I hope it works out for you.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Okay, perhaps, Oh yeah, it'd be nice.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (35:08):
Anyhow.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
The reason I'm calling is nineteen seventy two. I graduated
from bif Page High School on Long Island, Okay. And
there was a classmate in art school named Brian Hickey,
Captain Bryan Hickey. He was a fireman in art Town
and also in the New York City Fire Department, right,
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and Brian was in one of the towers when it
fell down and.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
He was killed.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
And you know what, I remember, I can see him
and his girlfriend Donna, who were loafers in high school,
sitting on the bench outside the auditorium to this day.
And they had three children of course that you know,
lost their father. And it's such a sad thing. And
I think it's so important what you're trying to promote,
you it's very, very important.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well, I I was unaware of the fact up until
earlier today that nine to eleven. I always assumed nine
to eleven would be taught in any you know, Massachusetts
public high school. Not so uh, and it's not mandatory.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That was run from Weymouth corrected me and said that
there were fourteen states around the country. And by the way,
some of those states around the country are from uh,
you know, red states. Some of them are blue states.
New York, Maryland and Illinois. Those are pretty big blue states.
So this is not a in any way, shape or form,
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a political issue. Okay, it's it's it's it's it's it's
a it's an American issue. So I say, let's let's
go for it. Let's let's get this on the on
the mandatory requirement for kids to graduate high school here
in Massachusetts, plain and simple.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna contact the current principal
my old high school. The fact that this Brian Hickey,
Captain Bryant Hickey was killed. You know that Kada law school.
That are they teaching that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think, by the way, that New York, if that
high school is in New York, I think that there's
a mandatory dis mandatory of course, uh in New York.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
But do contact just because the incident happened in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, No, I understand that, and it began in Massachusetts.
New York is doing the right thing year, and Massachusetts
is behind the eight ball, and so we're gonna have
to bring Massachusetts into the twenty first century. Okay, no, no,
you're right.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
No, I mean, and those two planes from your airport
will going to la if I remember, right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, yes they were, Yes they were. John. I want
to try to get one more in here. Okay, I
think I got a fellow New York around the other line.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Okay, all right, listen. Thanks my taking my call.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I have a good night.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
You take care. We'll speak to you again then.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, do me a favorite call more often and keep
me posted. I haven't heard from you in I think months, John,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yeah, or many weeks anyhow, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Bet you you bet. You don't be a stranger. Thanks,
don't be a stranger. Thanks John, talk to you soon.
I have a great night. Okay. Next up is Tom
in Lancaster, Massachusetts. Tom. Welcome, I believe I know who
this is. Go ahead, Tom. Hey, Dan, how are you
good now? You have not called in months either? Former
New York City police officer. Were you working that day?
Speaker 11 (38:37):
I was.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I was in the police academy in Manhattan about probably
like two miles north, and I could I could see
the uh the tower is burning from the roof of
the academy.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Wow, So pretty terrifying.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It was terrifying just just to try to leave Manhattan
because we were trapped because they shut down down the
whole island and uh, we were just there in like
regular attire for some training, so we couldn't go down
there without any equipment or anything. So they told us
to go home, and we practically could not go home
because you had to find a way to get off
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the island.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know, did you did you lose friends that day?
Speaker 11 (39:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Four workers, four co workers from my priestin in Brooklyn.
I worked in the seven to two in Sunset Park,
and I had one good guy that left us and
went to go work for the fire department instead, and
he perished and he was never found. Uh. He was
a detective actually, so he had not He had a
(39:45):
great career going and if he would have stayed in
the police department, you know, he would have probably climbed
the ladder and been very successful because he was an
active cop and detective. And uh, he just decided to
switch over to the fire department and that ends up
costing him his life.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
The other three.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Gentlemen died of nine to eleven illness. And I sent
you a link on Facebook Messenger if you could look
it up tomorrow. It's from the New York Post three
days ago that the number of first responders and others
with nine to eleven linked cancer has skyrocketed to fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, I saw that. I saw that as well. Tom
I'm flat out of time. I wish it called earlier.
We will talk more, call earlier and call more often.
Speaker 11 (40:30):
Okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And it's an important topic like any of the tragedy
in American history, So what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Thank you, Tom, appreciate the call. We will wrap it
up now. I will tell you that obviously may Or
Michelle Wu has had a strong performance tonight seventy percent
of the vote with about seventy percent of the vote counted.
Josh Kraft in second place with twenty four percent. They
will have a runoff sometime in November. I think it's
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November fourth. Thank you very much and Contana, good job tonight.
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That's where all your pets are who have passed. They
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for Nightside. Have a great Wednesday.
It's night with Dan Ray on Boston's Radio. Welcome back everyone.
We're going to continue our conversation from last hour. We
will continue to talk about nine to eleven. The twenty
fourth anniversary of that horrific day will occur this Thursday,
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two days from now. The twenty fifth anniversary of nine
to eleven, two thousand and one will occur a year
or two days from now. And I was stunned to
find out today in talking with Pat Bavis, whose brother
Mark died on that plane. There were two guys connected
with the world of hockey, Mark Bavis, who had played
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four years at BU and also had played minor league
hockey in the American Hockey League, as well as for
those older Bruins fans, Ace Bailey Garnett Ace Bailey who
played in the Bobby Orr era. They were both working
for the Los Angeles Kings and they were on Flight
one seventy five heading to Los Angeles, which obviously crashed
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into the World Trade Center. The story of nine to
eleven has to be told in history classes in Massachusetts.
It is not currently told in those classes in Massachusetts,
and that is to me a real oversight. And I
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don't know if it's an intentional oversight or an unintentional oversight,
but it needs to be corrected, and it needs to
be corrected quickly. It needs to be part of the
mandatory curriculum of every high school, public high school, and
you can't mandate private high schools, but it should be
also a part of every private, every high school education
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in Massachusetts because kids who are now eighteen years old
are seventeen years old juniors or seniors in high school,
living a career before they were born, so they may
know nothing of it. They may think it was a
movie or something or but it has to be taught.
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And I hope that you will join me and everyone
else here on nightside to advocate with our state reps
and our state senators that it has to pass as
a law and it has to be signed into law
by whoever is the governor. That's what we want to
have happened, as we hope will happen, and we need
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your voices, your voices tonight to talk about it and
your voices to advocate for it in your communities. Going
to go back to our callers, Going to go next
to Matt, who's checking in from Brighton. Matt appreciates your
holding through the news. You are next on nightside.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Go right ahead, no problem at all.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
If mister Bavis is still on, No, he's not with.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Us, I let him go. He's had some very long days.
Does he stay with us for an hour? So he's
not with us, but he very well might be listening
mat Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Nevertheless, I send my deep condolences.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Of course.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know I was nine ten years old when this happened.
My mother worked in the Federal Building and in Boston,
and I remember being pulled out of a school and
where I was at. And this is something fundamental, as
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you said, not only for public schools to have be
taught be implemented, but private schools. This cannot be you know,
one or the other. In my opinion, I understand these
schools can be one a private school, but this needs
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to be taught.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This is private schools are going to be regulated less.
But at the same time, if public schools set the standard,
and I think that they should, I'm sure the most
of the private schools would follow soon. And it could
be that many of the private schools now are doing
just this.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, well, I would hope so, because when I was
when this happened. I was at a Judai private school
and that happened just at the time, and it was
very instrumental. It's something so important. We need this to
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be pervasively taught. This is such an important an American
and just a national and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Also Massachusetts related. I mean the two planes that flew
into the.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Towers of course, you know, out of a name and
then down to uh right, And I just wanted to
say that, and I wanted to say to Okay, he's
no longer on.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, we got it, baby, we got it. Matt. You
did a great job. And I think we can leave
it there. You support the idea of it being a
mandatory unit history unit that will be taught in the
junior year, which is so important. And uh and and
you have expecial condolences, and I appreciated it.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
One thing I said last year that a tongue Lewin, uh,
Daniel Lewin, the first person who was killed on the
plane who I knew was a great man, and that
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was he was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He a pilot because I believe that the first class.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
He was in first class and he is the head
of uh, you know, a international you know uh, you
know computer company that he was.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
The first done too.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Right, Thanks sire, Thank you's agreement.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Thanks very much. Let me get back to Christian uh
in Peobley he called last hour. Christian, you've called back.
Hopefully our connection is better this time, go right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ahead, is much better.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
And my message is short.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
But it's paramount is that there's a message to be said,
and it is history and what happens it is wisdom,
and wisdom usually comes at a very high price and a
painful one. And we cannot allow sensitivities to overrule wisdom
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because you can't sell yourself short. If it stirs bad feelings,
then somebody who wants to.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
Say you can't do that. Put your feelings aside and
look at the wisdom you will waste. And if we
waste the wisdom, then what happens to the next generation.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can't let that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Couldn't agree with you more, Christian. I appreciate you taking
the time to call back.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
Now, Oh you've got things to get on with this,
but I wish want to know one thing.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Can I show up there at Thursday at the State
House and see this.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, my understanding is it's open to the public and
oftentimes if they have an overflow crowd, they will have
They'll have other rooms that people can go to and watch.
So they they've done this now for many years. They
know what to anticipate and what to expect. And you know,
(07:46):
I would say, I would tell you parking at the
State House is at a premium. I don't know how
well you know downtown, but you may just you can
just go to the Park Street station and you'll be
all set.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Sounds like a plan. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Thanks, I appreciate you call. Thanks again. I know that
I'm preaching here a little bit, but I don't mind
preaching because I'm advocating for something that I think needs
to be done. And I would love to have you
join the conversation and lend you a voice to the
chorus here on night side Tonight, the whole history of
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nine to eleven, what happened? You can just say just
the facts, simple as that the terrorists came here, they
stayed here, They were amongst us, they lived amongst us.
They were aware of what our society is about freedom,
and yet they decided that they could not tolerate. They
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came here and fifteen of the passengers fifteen of the
terrorists were correct from Saudi Arabia. Okay, that can never
be forgotten. There are lawsuits going on, but we must
never forget. It's as simple as that. And the way
to never forget is to make sure the kids who
are graduating high school right now, they very well have
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gone through their high school education and some have no
knowledge of nine to eleven. And got to tell you,
there's a lot of distractions for kids in high school,
whether it's TikTok and social media. They won't learn about
nine to eleven from that. They need to be taught
about it for in a history class. It is part
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of our history, not history that is enjoyable. But we
have to. We have to. We have no choice. And
the fact that it's not a mandatory unit in a
history curriculum for high school juniors is a disgrace. I
should have asked Bevis. He said, there's only four states
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that have a mandatory UH unit of teaching, and one
of them is not Massachusetts. We need to change it.
If you agree, if you disagree, six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Coming right back on Night Side Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
All right, we've got a couple of open lines here.
I want I want to hear voices. Uh. And by
the way, uh, I have Denise coming up in a
moment from andover. But we're are the rest of my
female callers tonight on this Ladies and gentlemen. This is
a this is a subject that we should coalesce around
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,
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ten thirty. The memory of the Americans who died must
never be forgotten. As simple as that. Let me go
to Jeff and Newton next. Jeff, you're next on nightside.
Speaker 11 (10:53):
Go right ahead, Yeah, Hi, it's very important. Topolic Uh.
Better way Newton is celebrating. We'll commemorating this this Thursday
at six o'clock at the Fire Department in Newton Center.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I appreciate, I appreciate that. As a matter of fact,
we're going to have as a special guest on Thursday night,
the night of nine to eleven, at nine o'clock, a
listener to this program and a friend of mine, Ron Gondett,
who actually was with one of the emergency crews that
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left from here to go to nine to eleven, to
go to New York, and we'll explain how that happened.
He's going to speak at the at the nine to
eleven ceremony a year from now. It would be one
of the speakers there. And by the way, this is
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not Jeff. This is Jack from Newton, Okay, So I
don't know how we get Jeff up at the boy Jack,
welcome back right ahead.
Speaker 11 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm Jack Porter. Can I can I tell you
a very strange story that has to do with nine
to eleven. Very a good friend of mine, the late
Chris Leonard, He was a real estate broker in Brighton,
and he told me the story that one day the
two Arab looking guys came into his office. One was
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very well dressed at a rolotics watch and he spoke
good English, and the other one was very shaky and nervous,
et cetera. And they were looking for an apartment and
a place to stay for just a month or two.
And that's who he was. He was Mohamed, And it
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just brings chills to my spine.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You asked me who I guess it was, I said,
Mohammad atta atta.
Speaker 11 (12:47):
Yeah, So that people met them before they did the deed.
People saw them, people knew something was going to happen,
and they didn't follow through, and the FBI didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, there was an FBI agent in Minneapolis, a female
agent who had had in my show, and she found
out that they were taking some of these guys, the
nineteen were taking flying instructions at a flying school in Minnesota,
and they did not want to learn how to take
off or how to land. They just wanted to learn
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how to fly a plane when it was up in
the air. And she reported that up the chain of
command to the FBI without success. No one followed up
on it.
Speaker 11 (13:34):
Yeah, they're just blater and but Chris Leonard actually met
Mohammad Atte and talked to him and joked with him,
and he mentioned how nervous the other guy and when
he wanted to say something would say to the other guy,
shut up.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. Well, Atta was the leader of the pack. He
ended up staying in Portland being there was a group Jack.
There was a group who stayed on Soldiers Field Road
there that weekend they partied hardy. I'm told there were
drugs and UH and uh and ladies of the evening.
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If you get my drift at the Ramata Inn. What
was the Ramata Inn on soldiers Field Road next to
the old Boston Skating Rink.
Speaker 11 (14:19):
Well, I also heard that they stayed at a place
on Route nine. So Chris met them, other people met
them at it. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist
or you know, something like that, But we just dropped
the ball, I think again, in not you know, moving
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forward on these guys at a time, I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well I do as well. I mean, there were there
were signs they were here, they lived amongst us. It
wasn't as if they flew in and the next day
they detonated a bomb somewhere. They went through security and
all of that. They they they checked again if if
the people at the I'm in on soldiers Field Road
had called the police department, because later on they they
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reported to the police that these guys had trashed the
rooms there. They had you know, a wild time. If
you get my drift, they they weren't living by the
rules of the Kouran okay, hardly.
Speaker 11 (15:20):
Hard very expensive watchers. Role says they knew what they're
going to die. But I just I just say this
in honor of my friend Chris and his memory that
nobody ever did a story about Chris.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I wish I had known. If I had known you
when I was a reporter at Channel four, I would
have sat down with him. You kidding me? That would
He would have been a wealth of information.
Speaker 11 (15:43):
I know, I know nobody did.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Said Okay, Jack, we'll talk soon. Thank you much, appreciate it,
Thank you. All right. We're going to go next to
Denise in h and over and Denise is a teacher. Hi, Denise, welcome,
Thank you for calling. How are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Hey Dan, I'm like I've upset about women are calling
and not I want more educators to call because forty
nine years from twenty one to seventy, I retired when
I was seventy teach your principal superintendent on those state committees,
don't we're too involved in worrying about test scores. So
I mean, I could I could talk to all the
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other issues you're mentioning. I had friends, I come from
New York, Ah, my friends YadA.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
But as an educator, our hand, I mean all I
hear is what should be taught. Everybody has an opinion.
Nobody I want to teach empathy. I want to teach
the lessons of nine one one, but we don't get there.
We're too concerned with what are we going to do
to get those reading scores out there?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
My teacher friends tell me it's always teaching the test.
Teaches the test, teacher the test.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
What I'm saying, yeah, and there's no room for teaching
you know what the lessons that can come from nine
to one one everything from understanding you know, world relations,
to empathy, to love, to thinking about the people who
lost the loved ones the fire, and it's all gone.
We had such a wonderful opportunity to use that, and
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we're too worried about teaching to the test. And where
pete the state is breathing Linda McMahon she wants to
close the education department in Washington because of test scores
were so low. That was the headline today.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, by the way, I did read some reports today
that showed that I believe and this is off the
top of my head, so if I'm wrong, feel free
to correct me. That amongst eighth graders and twelfth graders,
since twenty twenty, their test scores for reading and math
have dropped, even though a lot of the school departments
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have been forcing the teachers to teach to the test.
It has not worked out the way. Let me ask you, Denise,
as a teacher, I don't know, did you happen to
be a history teacher or no?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
You probably I started as a history teacher, but most
of my career was as a principal and then as
a faculty member, teaching young women and men to be teachers.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Sure, okay, and we were. You were a role model
for what a teacher should be. My question to you is,
I'm told that the question of nine to eleven, whether
it is taught in a school system or not, is
up to the local school system. If there was a
(18:38):
piece of legislation proposed which would make it mandatory for
every school system in Massachusetts to have a history unit
dealing with nine to eleven because it's such a big event,
and it also is an event that started here in Massachusetts,
both Massachusetts, you know, because of the connection, more people
from New York and Massachusetts were impacted than anywhere else
(19:01):
in the country. We were all impacted, but certainly impacted differently.
So my question is, how would you feel as a
either as a teacher or as a superintendent. If the
legislature said, we want to make sure every high school
junior is taught a unit, however you describe it, and
(19:23):
you probably know the better term, a portion of their
seventh their junior year in high school, would be devoted
to the history of nine to eleven.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I think it would be welcomed. I think there are
ways to weave it through the curriculum. I think it
could be so valuable. If it was mandated, we would
absolutely welcome it. We're tired of mandating let's teach this
rope memorization of you know, we teach the test, we
teach how to take tests, and that's mandated, so we
(19:57):
have to So if you tell me that now we're
going to mandate something as important as nine to one
one and all the things that it offers, like empathy
and terrorism and world politics, we would welcome it. But
nobody ever goes to a school committee or to the state.
There are state meetings on curriculum. I've been on curriculum
(20:19):
committees at the state level. There it's so political about
what should be taught and who should decide. Certainly it's
not the teachers. The teachers don't get to decide, but
we would, we would get behind it in a second,
and I will help you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You will be so stay tuned because I will certainly
use my microphone and help my audience to to be
involved and to and and to get get involved. If this,
if this this.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Idea, you're serious, we will mobilize.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I will.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I will mobilize all my retired friends as well as
all the student teachers and teacher candidates that I am
now supervising.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, Denise, uh, stay tuned. I will I will
try to work with Pat Davis, the fellow who was
on it. Did you hear my guest at ten o'clock?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah? Oh my god, I wish he was still in
my heart. I was crying, you know, like I mean,
there's a lot of things that this represents. And but
see crying. You're not supposed to cry. You're supposed to teach.
How are you going to make it on a test
if you if you're too empathetic?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Anyway, Denise, thanks to what you're following. Appreciate it very much.
All right?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh wait, thank you very Wait by bye?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Uh the only lines open six six one. See, ladies,
don't let Denise be the only female caller on this topic.
This is a topic that affects everyone. Men and women,
Innocent men and women died on nine to eleven. We
cannot forget nine to eleven. We must never forget nine eleven.
(22:00):
And we'll be right back on Nightside after the news
at the bottom of the hour. You're on Nightside with
Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. We're talking about
nine to eleven. Two days from now. There will be
a commemoration ceremony at the State House. Two days from now.
(22:20):
It is the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven.
So the question before us tonight is whether or not.
And I was surprised to find this out that nine
to eleven is not a mandatory history unit in Massachusetts
public school high schools, public high school history classes. To me,
(22:42):
that is amazing. The only lines open. And I'm looking
particularly for lady callers tonight. Okay, Denise is the first
woman who had the courage to call. This is an
easy one, folks. This is when everyone should get behind.
No reason not to teach what happened on nine to eleven.
(23:05):
And I sense a hesitation from some of you in
the audience. We've had a lot of calls, we will continue.
The only lines that are open right now are six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Next up is Ron in wayneth Ron, you
are next on nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 10 (23:22):
Well, thank you very much, and of course I'm going
to make it quick as I can to have let
other people talk. But of course I was in I
was on duty in the Federal Building in Boston when
we were attacked. So but the main thing I'm calling
is what the subject is tonight, and that's about it's
not being taught in the schools. But actually I understand
the fourteen states actually now that do teach it, but
(23:46):
none of Massachusetts does not, Rhode Island does not, New Hampshire, Maine,
none of those.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well I had last hour. Ron. I don't know if
you were listening. Pat Davis on whose brother Mark who
was killed on Flight one seventy five, died on Flight
one seventy five.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I heard about that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Kat told me, and I can remember very specifically what
he said. That are the fifty states. There are only
four states, not fourteen four that had this prandatory.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
I'm looking at it now. I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Good.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, which is that if you're looking. I don't know
what you're googled? Do you google that on the internet? Ye,
give me a roll call, can do me a favor,
I'd like a roll call. What are the states the
teach it? I wonder if there are any are in
our region? Go ahead, tell us the.
Speaker 10 (24:38):
Fourteen New York, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia,
South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, it's interesting. There's a bunch of both red and
blue states there. You have Texas and New York. You
have Illinois and Maryland, which are deep blue states. Politically,
this is not a political issue. The people who died
on those planes and the firefighters who died going into
those buildings were you know, Democrats, Republicans, independents. They were
(25:17):
all backgrounds racially, et cetera. And remember the feeling that
we had in this country at that time that the
country was under attack, and it wasn't a good feeling,
but I'll tell you it was a feeling that we
were united. So Ron, thank you for correcting that. And
maybe I misheard Pat Davis. I don't think that is.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yeah, he misheard I think they didn't see the fourteen.
They saw the four probably, But did you know that
the only govern in the in the United States from Massachusetts,
Paul Salucci, had had prepared us for a mass attack
like that, and he had all kinds of exercises. This
is well, he died, he was gone. There was another
(25:59):
devil after he left. But before it happened, he was,
you know, planning on our list. They were having demonstrations
and exercises, and the people thought he was crazy. And
we were the only ones prepared for it. The MBTA
in Massachusetts and Boston, they were prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And I believe, by the way, let me just correct
you on that. And this is something I believe.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I believe Paul Salucci was governor. He became governor in
nineteen ninety seven when Bill Well resigned in pursuit of
the ambassadorship.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Oh that's right, he left office early, but a lady
took over. She must have been the next one.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No, no, yeah, let me just I can correct you.
So you corrected me and I took the correction. Let
me correct you. Salucci ran for governor in nineteen ninety
eight against Scott Hushburger and he had won that election
and he would have been governor in nineteen ninety one
(26:59):
at the time of nine to eleven.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
He then was succeeded by James Swift.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Woman, wasn't it. Yeah, her name was James Swiss, Jane Swift.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Kay, she is the lieutenant governor.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I can find out exactly when when Swift.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Believe she was governor at the time. I know he
gets sick or something. But it's just amazing that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Again Ron not to not to try to be a
know it all, but Paul Salucci did get sick. He
sadly died early, but he became the US ambassador to Canada.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
That is that is correct?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Yes, that's fine.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
And you know that there was another terrorist plan attack
in Boston and it was thwarted by the people that
I know in the Secret Service and FBI in Boston,
and they they thwarted it and they were planning to
there was an overhead railway do you remember, and.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
Not stationed and we and then we're going to blow
it up and have her come down on the people.
And it was exposed because two of the terrorists was
speaking fasty, and somebody happened to speak that language, and
they ran in the Federal Building and went to the
Secret Service about her.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So, actually, I'm going to correct myself now. Jane Swift
was assumed the office of governor in Massachusetts just four
months before that. She was the acting governor of Massachusetts
from April tenth of two thousand and one to January
two of two thousand and three, so she was the
(28:35):
acting governor here for a little less than two years,
and she was the governor the acting governor at the
time of the attack. So yeah, okay, all right, thanks
very much, Ron, I got to keep holding. You've got
a lot of calls to get to tonight, and I.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Thank you for you for keeping me on the line
so long, and I got to get off. Get somebody
else on.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
All right, Thank you much. Let's go to Edin Marshfield. Hey, Ed,
you're next on nightside.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Welcome Hawaii, Dan. Yeah.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
I worked for United Airlines and uh watch watch the
United plane push from the gate fueled the plane next
to it, and they had two colleagues on that plane
with I think Mark Davis and H.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Billy were on that plane also. I think it was
Flight seventy five.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Seventy five if that was the American Flight or or.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
The United American was I think ninety three or something. Yeah,
like anyway, anyways, I think this this test that they
push on these kids, maybe maybe some of the answers
should be about nine to eleven and then they would
be forced to Yeah, well they can. They can make
(29:49):
it a you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, no, I said that they can make it mandatory
as as a unit in right, as a junior in history.
I think when in your junior year in history, I
don't think you should be teaching nine to eleven and
kids in the fourth grade because it's it's not age appropriate.
Too early, and they you know, that's not something that
they think some kids might be able to handle it.
(30:11):
But but by time you were a junior in high
school and before you graduate, look senior year. You know
most of us remember senior year, and people are kind
of goofing off, et cetera. I want them to get
this you're junior in high school because when you think
about it, if you're eighteen years old today in twenty
twenty five, you were born in two thousand and seven,
(30:32):
you were born six years probably after.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
Yeesh, crazy time goes by. One other thing is like
it was. I gonna say, oh, I lost my train
of thought.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
Well I'll let you go.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I know you got more, all right, and I appreciate
you taking the time call. Thank you, sir, appreciate it
all right. All right, let me get one more in
here before the break. I got a couple of lines.
One is a six one set. Well, the only two
lines are six one seven now six one seven four
ten thirty. Dan is in Worcester. Dan, you were next
on nightside.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
Welcome.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Thank you very much. I just wanted to say, it's
that horrible, horrible event you know, was terrible affected so
many people, but it also it also touched me very
painfully in many ways. First of all, I had i'd
stayed up late reading that night, and when I woke up,
you know, the second they said that plane had I'd
foller in had hit the tower in New York, that
(31:31):
it was an accident.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I know that's what they were reporting initially, they but
they knew it was no accident once the second.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Plane, but then immediately they said, oh there's another coming another.
I said, oh my god, there's something even going on.
But but but, but, but you know, for anybody who
they should show, you know, high school students the videos
of people falling out of this was saying, no, how
this is a serious thing, very serious thing now for me.
I then I left and I said that when I
(32:00):
was when when I was at Park Street station in
the LBTA, I ran into this lady who was crying,
and she heard that I was from Kenya, so so
she kept talking to me. I said, why are you crying?
She says, so, please help me raise some money because
my son has been killed in the tower.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
My son.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But but I want to add, I want to add that,
you know, shortly before that, three years before that, there
was the Nairobie attempts to bomb the United States embassy
embassy in ny and Darisa, m Antonia. The Kenyan Tantania
lost and I had lost my my favorite uncle's you know.
The daughter told my cousin who was my age mat?
(32:41):
Who you know was my age mat? And I'd been
advising on many things. You know, when when the Kenyan
security forces actually blocked the trucks from going to the embassy,
they actually turned around and they blasted the headquarters of
the Teacher Service Commission the last not okay.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well again, I'm sure that that's history that is important
to you. But I, Daniel, I need to focus on
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I'm saying that it should be taught, should be taught,
and I think history is best taught when it's comprehensive,
so that people understand, you know, you know, you know
it shouldn't must know that, and you know, and with
questions that did deep into what was going on day.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My answer is yes, it
should be taught. That's all I need.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Tonight. We can. We can talk about other topics other nights,
that's for sure. Daniel has always I appreciate your calling,
your perspective. Thank you. I have a good night, you too, Okay,
got lines at six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.
I got John in New York coming up. I got
Tom and Lancaster, Massachusetts. We will be back on night side.
I think this is an important topic. Feel free to
(33:53):
join the conversation here if you haven't. We got some
open lines at six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.
This has been an important subject. It's certainly I hope
prepares most of you, most of you for what is
going to happen two days from now. Uh, we cannot
we can never forget. We'll be back on Nightside right
(34:15):
after this.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
It's Night's Eye with.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Okay, we're gonna wrap it up here. Let's take it
on home. I'm gonna go next to John in the
state of New York, a New York state of mind.
Hey John, welcome.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, Hi Dan, I'm the John that you wish to.
Good luck with the far distant girlfriend. I don't know
if you recall.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I recall you very well. How's your how's your relationship going?
I hope everything's going well.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
So far, so good, it's still going along good.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
So anyhow did you get relocated from the Philippines.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Or No, No, she's working on it. Uh, she's in us,
our business on that end.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay. I hope. I hope it works out for you.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Okay, perhaps, Oh yeah, it'd be nice.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (35:08):
Anyhow.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
The reason I'm calling is nineteen seventy two. I graduated
from bif Page High School on Long Island, Okay. And
there was a classmate in art school named Brian Hickey,
Captain Bryan Hickey. He was a fireman in art Town
and also in the New York City Fire Department, right,
(35:30):
and Brian was in one of the towers when it
fell down and.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
He was killed.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
And you know what, I remember, I can see him
and his girlfriend Donna, who were loafers in high school,
sitting on the bench outside the auditorium to this day.
And they had three children of course that you know,
lost their father. And it's such a sad thing. And
I think it's so important what you're trying to promote,
you it's very, very important.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well, I I was unaware of the fact up until
earlier today that nine to eleven. I always assumed nine
to eleven would be taught in any you know, Massachusetts
public high school. Not so uh, and it's not mandatory.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That was run from Weymouth corrected me and said that
there were fourteen states around the country. And by the way,
some of those states around the country are from uh,
you know, red states. Some of them are blue states.
New York, Maryland and Illinois. Those are pretty big blue states.
So this is not a in any way, shape or form,
(36:41):
a political issue. Okay, it's it's it's it's it's it's
a it's an American issue. So I say, let's let's
go for it. Let's let's get this on the on
the mandatory requirement for kids to graduate high school here
in Massachusetts, plain and simple.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna contact the current principal
my old high school. The fact that this Brian Hickey,
Captain Bryant Hickey was killed. You know that Kada law school.
That are they teaching that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think, by the way, that New York, if that
high school is in New York, I think that there's
a mandatory dis mandatory of course, uh in New York.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
But do contact just because the incident happened in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, No, I understand that, and it began in Massachusetts.
New York is doing the right thing year, and Massachusetts
is behind the eight ball, and so we're gonna have
to bring Massachusetts into the twenty first century. Okay, no, no,
you're right.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
No, I mean, and those two planes from your airport
will going to la if I remember, right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, yes they were, Yes they were. John. I want
to try to get one more in here. Okay, I
think I got a fellow New York around the other line.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Okay, all right, listen. Thanks my taking my call.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I have a good night.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
You take care. We'll speak to you again then.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, do me a favorite call more often and keep
me posted. I haven't heard from you in I think months, John,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yeah, or many weeks anyhow, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Bet you you bet. You don't be a stranger. Thanks,
don't be a stranger. Thanks John, talk to you soon.
I have a great night. Okay. Next up is Tom
in Lancaster, Massachusetts. Tom. Welcome, I believe I know who
this is. Go ahead, Tom. Hey, Dan, how are you
good now? You have not called in months either? Former
New York City police officer. Were you working that day?
Speaker 11 (38:37):
I was.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I was in the police academy in Manhattan about probably
like two miles north, and I could I could see
the uh the tower is burning from the roof of
the academy.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Wow, So pretty terrifying.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It was terrifying just just to try to leave Manhattan
because we were trapped because they shut down down the
whole island and uh, we were just there in like
regular attire for some training, so we couldn't go down
there without any equipment or anything. So they told us
to go home, and we practically could not go home
because you had to find a way to get off
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the island.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know, did you did you lose friends that day?
Speaker 11 (39:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Four workers, four co workers from my priestin in Brooklyn.
I worked in the seven to two in Sunset Park,
and I had one good guy that left us and
went to go work for the fire department instead, and
he perished and he was never found. Uh. He was
a detective actually, so he had not He had a
(39:45):
great career going and if he would have stayed in
the police department, you know, he would have probably climbed
the ladder and been very successful because he was an
active cop and detective. And uh, he just decided to
switch over to the fire department and that ends up
costing him his life.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
The other three.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Gentlemen died of nine to eleven illness. And I sent
you a link on Facebook Messenger if you could look
it up tomorrow. It's from the New York Post three
days ago that the number of first responders and others
with nine to eleven linked cancer has skyrocketed to fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, I saw that. I saw that as well. Tom
I'm flat out of time. I wish it called earlier.
We will talk more, call earlier and call more often.
Speaker 11 (40:30):
Okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And it's an important topic like any of the tragedy
in American history, So what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Thank you, Tom, appreciate the call. We will wrap it
up now. I will tell you that obviously may Or
Michelle Wu has had a strong performance tonight seventy percent
of the vote with about seventy percent of the vote counted.
Josh Kraft in second place with twenty four percent. They
will have a runoff sometime in November. I think it's
(40:57):
November fourth. Thank you very much and Contana, good job tonight.
All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's
my pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago in February.
That's where all your pets are who have passed. They
loved you and you love them. I do believe you'll
see them again. We'll see again tomorrow Night on the Nightside.
I will be on Facebook with a postgame in just
a couple of minutes. Stay with us, everybody, Dan Rape
(41:18):
for Nightside. Have a great Wednesday.
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