September 9, 2025 • 39 mins
This Thursday is the 24th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attack that rocked our nation. In collaboration with the city of Boston and the state of MA, the Mass 9/11 Fund will hold their annual MA 9/11 Commemoration. Pat Bavis, a member of the Massachusetts 9/11 Fund and brother of a 9/11 victim, joined the program to discuss the upcoming Commemoration at the State House. In addition, the history of 9/11 is not part of the mandatory curriculum for MA public schools. Should it be?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's night side with Dan Ray w BZ Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, thank you very much, Dan Watkins. We are
two days away from the twenty fourth anniversary of nine
to eleven. I think anybody in this audience who is
I don't know, thirty five years of age or older,
remember exactly where they were on that day. Joining me
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now is Pat Davis. Pat's brother Mark, who played both
They were born and grew up. Grew up in Roslyndale
in the city of Boston, and Mark had a twin brother.
And Mark was on one of the planes out of
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Boston along with a former Boston Bruin player, garn Itt
Ace Bailey. Mark played four years at BU and played
several years in the American Hockey League, the East Coast
High Key League. Had coached at Harvard and I was
was on that plane. He he was a scout for
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the Los Angeles Kings. UH and UH both he and
former Bruins player Ace Bailey were amongst those who died,
so who were killed by the terrorists and with us
tonight to talk about what's going to happen here UH
in in Boston at the State House on Thursday, in
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commemoration of that horrific day. But in commemoration of the
souls we lost that day is Pat Bavis, Mark's brother. Pat.
Welcome to Night's side. Thanks for joining us. I know
this has to be a bittersweet time time of a
year for everyone in the Bavis family.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Dan, thank you for having me here tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Dan. Every year it's difficult to go through it, and
you know what brings back exactly the day, the tragic
day that had happened. I play it back, not just
the day. I play it back all the time like
it was just yesterday, you know, but with that day.
You know, over the last twenty four years, we as
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a family have had a you know, make changes and
make positive strides as a family to be strong and
get through every day.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But we've done it by.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Getting out to high schools and talking to children. Originally
we started it was with children that were born and
really didn't understand it. But now we feel that, you know,
we're getting into a time that students weren't even weren't
born when nine to eleven happened, and it actually teaches
history teachers of a teacher in high schools weren't born.
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So the nine to eleven Fund has created an education
program that is made use a friendly for all the instructors,
the teachers, the students to comprehend truly what happened that day.
But it's usual friendly, just you know. Originally started this program,
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we myself and family members of the nine to eleven
Fund were going around the high schools and actually doing
presentations in history classes, are speaking in front of the
whole school and auditoriums, and it was well received. You know,
over the last fifteen years, we probably went to twenty
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high schools and what was fantastic about is the kids
got engaged and asked us questions. But we know the
difficulty of the high schools to put this together and
get everybody to come into an auditorium and then release
the kids and stuff. There's a lot of things that happen,
moving posts that have to happen. So what we have
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created is we created a new website that is just
use the leaf for the instructors and the students to
use and they didn't get the benefit of learning about
nine to eleven. And with that being said, the nine
to eleven Fund has actually this year potted with GBH
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and PBS to PBS Media to now get the education
program nationwide.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you know, before we get to that, Pat, I
just want to you know, have your recall your your brother.
I mean, he was an outstanding athlete. Uh oh he uh,
he played you know, four years at Boston University. He
had his life in front of him. I believe that
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at the at the time of his uh his death
or his murder, however you want to describe it, he
was only what about forty years old, right.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Ha Actually actually actually was thirty one years old. Yeah,
And as Danna's explained, you know, my brother Mark was
a local hockey player. From playing the Catholic Memorial and
winning three state championships in high school, going on to
Boston University and playing there for four years, and then
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having a little stint in the American Hockey League and
realizing that, okay, I want to get to coaching. And
he you know, coached at Havard, did a little stint
at Brown, and then he wanted to expand a little
bit further, and you know, he wanted to get into scouting.
And as Bailey recruited him to scout for the Washita
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the Kings, he was very excited about it. And uh,
you know, that day. You know, I could play it,
play it back like it was yesterday. When I called
his twin brother, Mike, Mike was actually Upper Winnipeg scouting
kids kids from Boston University. And you know, my wife said,
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have you talk to Mike today? And uh, I said,
I have not. What's wrong? You know, Mark was supposed
to travel. He's, you know, campus supposed to start for
the Kings today and he's traveling. And I called Mike,
and you know, it's crazy, how life is your your
dial the phone in Winnipeg, and Mike picks up on
the first, the first ring. He says that I'm trying
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to find out what's going on. Something's got right. And
you know I will tell you about the hockey community
that how strong they were even that day. You know.
I get back to my mother's house of Rosendale and
by three o'clock there was over two hundred kids that
my brother, Marck and Mike played hockey through Hyde Park,
the Hockey or cath Memorial bu. They were all in
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the street, they were all in the driveway, they were
all in my mother's house. Just the shocking news to them,
to my family. And one key thing, and that's stands
out to me that day is you know, my mother,
who was a strong Irish woman, did not believe it
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until I got the call from Senator Kennedy. And Senator
Kennedy called and you know, said he was deeply sorry,
but he also said he knew how we felt because
of his loss of his two brothers. And that's when
it really hit home. And I had to tell everybody
to get out of the house. And we sat with
my mother up then and said, Mom, this is Rael.
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Our life had just changed, and you know, we're gonna
get prepared for this. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Uh again, I kind of of all the families that
were impacted, yours was impacted the most. You know, all
the different families who and I've talked to members of
families over over the years, both in my time in
television and my time here in radio, and there's just
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nothing to be said to console you, even now twenty
four years less. A couple of days later, when I
get back Pat, I'd like to talk about the events
of this coming Thursday at the State House. I believe
it's open to the public if I'm not mistaken, and
I know that you are very familiar with what will
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go on who will be there. I'd like to just
preview that for people to think about. And then I
want to talk about, for me, the stunning fact that
nine to eleven, which was such a day that changed
so many lives, none more than the Bavis family lives
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were changed, but for those of us who didn't know
or didn't have family members, our lives, people's lives around
the world were changed, and all because of the plot
by nineteen individuals to crash four planes in three different
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locations in America. And that day is not part of
the mandatory history curriculum in high schools here in Massachusetts.
So those are the two things we're going to get to.
My guest is Pat Bavis. His brother Mark, one of
those who perished on nine to eleven. He was on
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a flight to Los Angeles that that sadly and tragically
was a flown into the World Trade Center in New
York City. Back with Pat Bavis, if you'd like to
call and just just talk about this day, that that
we can never forget this day, in my opinion, Back
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on Nightside, you have the numbers. Back right after this.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We're talking about Pat Bavis, his brother Mark, along with
the other passengers on United Airlines Flight one seventy five,
crashed into the World Trade Center of New York City
during the terror attacks of September eleventh. The twenty fourth
anniversary of that day will be commemorated at the State
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House this Thursday. Pat, I'm sure you're going to be there.
Give us an idea about the events on Thursday. I
want to talk about not only what's going to happen
this year, but what should happen as we approach the
twenty fifth anniversary a year from now. There'll be a
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lot of familiar faces up there and a lot of
people from the hockey.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
World Dan, So you know, every year we celebrate, the
commoration is at the State House.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know, we start off.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Reading the names of all the loved ones that lost
their lives on nine to eleven from Massachusetts. But then
we're going to so into chambers and this year the
theme is the living legacy the education of nine to eleven.
And the big thing that we struggle with is why
is nine to eleven not emphasized in history classes and
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in high schools today?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We talk about we celebrate.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Bunker Hill, Day, Lexington and Concord. We talk about Pearl Harbor,
but nine to eleven is not discussed in high schools
as students today, and that is our struggles. So we're
going to take all the excuses off the table and
we're going to give it, you know, in a way
that it's easy for them to, you know, online, get
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the information. Have the students be able to go online
and use this tool. I think the struggle, Dan is
that you know, when we talk nine to eleven, everybody
thinks of New York and again, yes it did. It
was the two of the two trade centers. Okay, but
we have to understand the two planes originated from Logan
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Airport and two hundred and nineteen people with family tized
that Massachusetts died in the attacks. This is the history,
you know. You know, we're coming up on two hundred
and fifty years of our country. And I honestly believe
history is the most important thing to teach young kids
because that what makes you stronger. Some things in history
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of every difficulty, but it makes makes a student stronger
in life.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, here's my question. There are some this is a course,
as I understand it, or a segment of a history
course that should be presented to students, I believe in
their junior year in high school. We're not talking about
teaching kids in the fourth or the third of the
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second grade. We're talking about, you know, before they leave
high school, know about the history of Massachusetts. And this
is a it's the only time, to the best of
my knowledge, that the United States mainland was ever attacked
in this way. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was not a state
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in nineteen forty one. It was I guess, a territory.
So this was an attack that began on American soil
and took the lives of innocent Americans both on the
plains and in the buildings at the World Trade Center,
at the Pentagon and at the field in Pennsylvania. This
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has to be taught in every to every high school
junior who graduates as they approach graduate graduation. So the
website that your group, the Massachusetts nine to eleven Fund,
has created is basically a teaching tool that should be
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available to any school system, to any high school, any
history teacher that wants it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Number one correct exactly, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Dan, And all they have to do is go to
your website Mass nine to eleven fund dot dot org
or dot com dot org issoon dot org.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yump and click on education.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And by the way, I should say that that on
the committee, you're the chair of the Education Department.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That that is correct. And I will be the MC
on Thursday at the State House speaking to the audience
that day about the education program and some of the
positive things we've done and what we're going to do
in the future.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I'll tell you who will be some of the
I believe former Boston Mayor Marty Walls would be speaking. Uh,
Bob Sweeney of you know, former NHL player, is going
to speak. His sister in law, Amy Sweeney, was Was
she a flight attendant on the flight that that your
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brother was on the other plane?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, she was. She was on flight eleven and Mark
was on United flight one seventy five. You know. The
key thing about it then is that, you know, you know,
the connection we have of obviously losing our loved ones
on nine to eleven, the connection we have with the
hockey community. You know, Mark obviously smoke about you know,
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being a hockey player in Boston. Uh, you know, Bob
Sweeney being a star at Boston College, playing for the
Bruins and now runs to the Boston Bruin's Foundation. But
how Bob has grown through losing his sister in law,
his mate had made him a better person. Former Mayor
Marty Walsh is now president of the Players uh Players
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Hockey Association. You know, Matty's wife lost to her cousin
Stusan McKay. So Matty feels this pain and Mighty's wife
feels this pain like everybody else, you know, and they're
going to be there speaking, They're going to be, you know,
telling their stories. I'm going to be driving home the
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education program because we feel, honestly, Dan, we feel that
we're losing it, and we're coming up on twenty five
years and you know it, and I know it, and
hopefully everybody that's listened to it to it is the
words will never forget. And we cannot let the young
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students rolling today ever forget about nine to eleven, not
even learn about it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
That's what is amazing to me that I think that
there's a very famous building in Washington. I forget which
one it was, but it basically says the pastor's prologue,
which is essentially another way of saying those that forget
history are doomed to repeat it. And I'm stunned that
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a segment how whatever the education community would call it,
a unit on nine to eleven is not again mandatory
for every student who was graduating high school. I think
that the year that is most important is the junior year,
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so they learn about it in class. I don't know
if people are afraid of, uh, you know, it being
taught in a way which indicts, you know, an entire
region of the world or whatever. I mean. I know
that there are all of those sensitivities that are involved,
but it's it's history. From our perspective, it's bad history,
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but it can't be swept under the rug anymore, and
it needs Do you have any any idea of the
percentage of high schools in Massachusetts that do on their
own teach you.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't know the exact percentage, but I do know
what's very low.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I will tell you a dan.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In this country, there's only four states that mandate having
it's taught into the it's taught in the high schools fourteen.
That is to me, it's a shame, it's a sin.
It's and again I look at it started in Massachusetts.
And then one of the most important things that want
people to understand is, you know, we tell the story
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so they can learn from it what tragic events happened,
but we put a positive spin on it. This isn't
supposed to be something that you know, people walk away
angry about. And I will tell you myself personally, yes,
you know, over the last twenty four years, I was
very angry at the world. But I had to find
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something positive and this was the positive out to teach
young young students, you know, the history have happened that day.
Because you can't shell them on everything. You can't very history.
History makes people stronger, you know. And somehow we need
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to get Massachusetts on board. I'm hoping that, you know,
the opportunity on Thursday, we get the attention of the
Math Board of Education, you know, we get the attention
of the Secretary of Education and the Education Commissioner, just
to give us time to present them to material to
them and say this is very well done. Now we
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see what Now we see the angle you're coming from.
We definitely need to get there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But also to make it mandatory, it is going to
have to be a piece of legislation that will pass
the House of Representatives, the state Senate, and signed into
law by the governor. Because when you're dealing with the
administrative administrative secretaries of education, they can make recommendations and suggestions,
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but they can't make it mandatory. I do not believe,
and it has to has to pass the legislature. Pat,
let's do this. Let's just take a quick break. I
would love to know if my audience agrees with you
and me that this should be a part of the
mandatory education of every public school student and private school student,
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but every public school student in the Comwealth of Massachusetts.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I will admit that I
did not know until today when I talked with you
later on today or earlier today, I should say that
this was not a mandatory component of a high school
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education in Massachusetts. To think that someone can go to
high school graduate at the age of eighteen, after twelve
years of you know, elementary, junior, high and high school
education and not not know what happened on nine to eleven,
just the facts, if nothing else, to me, is appalling,
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and I'd love to hear from as many of my
listeners in the next thirty minutes that we have left
on this segment six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Coming right
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
My guest is Pat Davis. Pat's brother, Mark was one
of the people killed during nine to eleven professional hockey player,
played four years at BU coached at Harvard. It's an
assistant coach at Harvard and was in the employee of
the Los Angeles Kings. And Pat as the education chairman
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of the mass nine to eleven Fund, and he is
pushing and rightfully so that the history courses in Massachusetts
provide a unit to teach what happened on nine to
eleven to every public school high school student in Massachusetts
before they graduate, preferably in their junior year. Pat, we
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have full line, so let's get right to it. We're
gonna start off with Christian in Pbody, Massachusetts. Christian, you're on,
Pat Davis. Go right ahead. Christian.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You said yes, sir, oh good and over so I
can talk safely without driving.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I'm over.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Good, Run ahead, Christian you're on the air. We're fifteen
seconds and you would say hello to Pat Bavis.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Go ahead, thank you hello.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
In my greatest respect to this subject, I totally agree.
It's just something that regardless of the sensitivities, it's something
that if it isn't presented to all, we can't not
afford the babe.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Kristin. We don't have a great connection here. I assume
you're probably on a Bluetooth.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
No, I'm not on BLUETOOTHO.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Can you hear me better? Now?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Not especially? Let me have let me have my producer
Dan try to clean up your call. In the meantime,
I'll just but you on hold uh, Dan take over
and get us better audio with Christians so we can
hear what he has to say. Let me go next
to Patrick in Washington, d C. Patrick, you're next on
Nightside On with Pat Bavis.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Go ahead, Patrick, Mister Davis, I want to thank you
very much for donating your voice and your feelings on
this subject. I mean, you know, being an advocate, but
donating your care for all of US Americans, because I
would like you to consider also in your let's call
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it a curriculum to describe how much of our freedoms
were lost on nine to eleven. We could not we
are not the same free people in Washington, d C.
Where we could go wherever we wanted to go. No,
we can't do that anymore. A lot of our freedoms
were taken away because of nine eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, it impacted people around the world, Patrick, no doubt,
and we're still feeling it today. But obviously the inconveniences
that we all deal with at airports pale in comparison
to the loss of the lives, including Pat Davis's brother Mark.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Yeah, so again, mister Davis, is good to have you
on the radio program. Good to hear you, and I
thank you so much for your efforts.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Patrick, appreciate your call very much.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Thanks Patrick. All right, let's keep rolling here. Say if
Christian wants to call back, Dan, I don't know how
that audio. Yeah, his audio was just tough, really tough.
All right, let me go next to Eric and Attleborough. Eric,
you're next on Niksig, go right ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
My opinion is the tragedy that happened on the ground
and the heroicism of the firefighters, well, the firefighters the
first responders, the police, fellow co workers, helping coworkers, you know,
when the towers fell.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
To stick to the facts on the ground of all
the lives that were lost that day and not go
any further as to anything that may have happened after.
Like a gentleman on the call before, I think, was
referring to the patriot, I think, yeah, I think it's
very important to really solidify what happened to the I
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think it was roughly two thousand, nine hundred lives lost,
you know. And then after the fact, a lot of
the workers that you know, ah, you know, helping to
clean rubble and everything, and then developed you know, uh,
you know, as a pattern, are of developing some some
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sort of long infection and things.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But more than that, they suffered that many of them
have suffered cancers which were directly attributable to the to
the chemicals that they were exposed to, either on on
the days after nine to eleven, or long term, long
long term issues and long term problems. The problem, Eric,
and I'm a straight shooter here, so I'm going to
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tell you what I believe the problem is. Do you
realize that a month ago, in August of twenty twenty five,
what anniversary most Americans are unaware of occurred.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I mean as far as like a like.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Historic event in well, I'll tell you, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna make it agonized here. August of twenty
twenty five was the eightieth anniversary of the end of
World War Two. The United States, as you know, was
attacked at Pearl Harbor, and for three years, a little
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longer than three and a half years, this country was
in a state of war with Japan, Germany, Italy, and
we survived and we won World War Two. Now exactly
that eightieth anniversary passed with hardly a notice, hardly a notice.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Not correct in the United States.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
But that's I mean that, in my humble opinion is
because you know, ya, Ukraine, there's a war with Russia,
and like as far as in Beijing last week they
had a magnificent tribute.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
To you know, they had a magnificent tribute to the
Chinese military that wants to blow us to bits. Eric,
I hope you didn't take any consolation in that. What
I'm saying is we should have celebrated the work of
the Greatest generation, and we should have celebrated it proudly
and we didn't and I don't want that to happen
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to not to the tragedy of nine to eleven, simple
as that. Eric, appreciate your call very much, but we've
got a role here. I've got to keep going. Thank
you very much. I have a great night. Pat. I
just you know, I want to make sure that that
that I'm not nothing that I'm saying is is going
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to cause you a problem at the State House. But
I feel strongly about this.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Oh Dan, I appreciate it. And Dan, you know your
last two qualers. I just want to I did hear
what Christian was saying. Christian was Christian was back in
I was about it should be mandated in the state
of Massachusetts, and just some keynotes for Eric I was
listening today. You know, over four hundred fire men have
passed away since nine to eleven, So three hundred forty
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three passed on the day of nine to eleven, and
four hundred had passed to date because of the cancer
and the toxins down at ground zero, of them trying
to be heroes, trying to find loved ones.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You know, and we can't forget their sacrifice either. The
continuing sacrifice that those families are correct. My guest is
Pat Davis. Pat is the chair of the Education Committee
on the mass nine to eleven Fund. He will be
the master of ceremonies on Thursday at the twenty fourth
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commemoration of that day which we must never forget, nine
to eleven, two thousand and one. And we are now
looking forward to a little over a year from now
the twenty fifth anniversary, and hopefully by then the nine
to eleven curriculum will be mandatory for every high school
student to graduate from high school here in Massachusetts. We
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have full lines. We're going to get to everybody. We're
coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right, let me keep you only going to go
to Nick and Beverly. Nick, we have pack lines. You're
next on Nightside. Go right ahead. You're on with Pat
Davis his brother Mark Perish at nine to eleven.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thank you for I absolutely agree with what your point is.
I absolutely agree with what you're fighting for.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
And on I just want to tell a story real quick.
My dad on nine to eleven. My dad was working
at Washington mutual, which no longer exists as a mortgage company.
His boss had a daughter and his well, his daughter
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worked in the World Trade Center and she was fifteen
minutes lateful work and she got stuck on the subway.
But she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah. Wow, it's funny how things work like that.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Huh ah, blessed for that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
And I had another person I know, I had a
friend he told me this story. He from I had
a friend from first grade and knew him up to
sixth grade. And he said his uncle walked out of
on the you know, the first floor of the towers
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when the first plane hit.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Sure, well, if you're lucky enough to be you know,
in one of the ground floors, you had a chance
of surviving. But if you were above any of the
floors where the planet end.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, I mean, if you were outside, you could just
run inside the lobby and wait till the debris stopped falling,
and then run away as far as you could to
get away from that.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, get in touch with your state representative, your state senator,
and tell them that you want a unit of curriculum
on the nine to eleven tragedy mandatory in Massachusetts Public schools.
We got to get that passed, I think by next
next September the eleventh.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
All right, thank you very much, and I appreciate your call.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Kad say something hello, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You want to go right ahead, I'm just I thought.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
On well, I wasn't alive on nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Nick?
Speaker 8 (33:10):
Twenty twenty? Okay, well, thank you for my birthday? Is
my twenty first birthday will be Super Bowl Sunday. Next
year will be it will be Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I understand that, but again, what did you want to
say that relates to nine to eleven tonight? The other.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
During you know, I wasn't alive, So the moment the
most momant to stay in my opinion, Well, when I
was alive was the Boston Marathon bombing day.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That that should be That should be taught in history
as well. I couldn't everything more. Nick, call another night,
we can have a longer conversation, but I got pack lines.
I want to try to accommodate as many folks as
I can. Thank you so much for thanks for listening
tonight's side. Nick, appreciate it. Let me go to Daryl
up in Canada, Darryl next on nights. I go ahead, Darryl.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Hey, Dan, Pat all the respect as well. Hey Daryl, Hey,
I was calling. The reason I'm calling is because you
mentioned nine to eleven. When I grew up, a neighbor
of mine actually worked with my uncle as a firefighter
in southern Ontario, closer to Detroit. As we've talked about, Dan, yep.
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And when I was nine to eleven, I was up
at Fort McMurray oil sands projects and we had fighters
flying over top. The whole job site was shot down
and to hopefully emphasize your story will not be forgotten.
The iron workers and the IBW flags are flying at
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the top of the highest mast and from there the
stories and the fire fighters we've met over the years.
One person you might have heard of, I'm not sure
Kevin mccurrd. He went to nine to eleven. Okay, it
was about the fallen forgotten when they cleaned up the
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site and whatnot. But people, even my small village in
New Brunswick here, they send the small contingent every year
to nine to eleven. That's for remembrance.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Thank you well, Darryl, Thank you very much. I know
you're a listener and you're a regular caller, and I
know that this is an issue that we see the
same way. I'm in one country and along with that,
and you're in a neighboring country as a great country
and of itself that has always stood with the United States.
And we need to get this taught in our schools.
(35:43):
And maybe you can start a program making sure it's
taught in Canadian schools as well.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Oh no, trust me, we already know. I dropped off
a pamphlet to the local wareholl when I moved here,
and it's only a small village of four hundred people,
but they respect it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But oh, Darrel, I got pack lines. I gotta keep rolling,
my man. We'll talk soon. Okay, thank you much. Let
me go next to kenon Canton, Massachusetts. Ken, you're own
with Pat Davis.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Go right ahead, Ken, Yeah, Hi Dan.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
First, I want to respond to Second, I want to
respond to something you said. Sure, But first I want
to stay to mister Bavis. I have the utmost respect
for you, and twenty four years later, I'm going to
offer you my condolences the brother. The death of your
brother was a very public one, and I can't imagine
what that was like, Perhaps the most historic moment in
our country's history, and your brother died. In addition to that,
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we all refer to nine to eleven in pop culture,
turn in the news. What does somebody say, ever since
nine to eleven turn in a movie? I'm sorry to
say this. There's a plane crashing in the road trade
center that your brother was on. So again, my condolence
is to you that you have to relive this every year.
(36:59):
What I also want to say, Dannis, is a reaction
to something you said earlier. Sure, you said, should nine
to eleven be taught in schools? Well, I know that
was a rhetorical question, because of course it could.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well yeah, both both Pat and I strongly believe that,
and we'll make it. We'll make it a part of
this program if we have to to push it.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Absolutely, it's the most transformative moment in our country's history
that we have lived through, and not take a bear
at the Bunker Hill in the American Revolution, Lexington and
conquered Pearl Harbor. For most of us, it's the most
trans It's.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
A seminal moment, moment, There's no question about that.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Yep, So I endorse heavily having it taught in schools.
It's a no brainer. Thank you for the time, and
thank you mister Bavis.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Thanks, thanks Ken, appreciate it. We got a bunch of
calls on the line here. I'm going to get to
all of you next hour. Pat, I know that you've
got to get ready for Thursday, and I don't want
to hold you any long. We're going to keep talking
about this in the next hour, but thank you, and
I know you're doing a great job on Thursday, and
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I look forward to having you on the program again.
And let's let's fight very hard to get this curriculum
in the Massachusetts public schools because it is history. It's
bad history, but at history that can never be forgotten.
Thank you, my.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Friend, good Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
As a sport.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Thank you you bet you, and to say how to
Marty Walsh for me, and say he to Bob Sweeney
and all my friends. Will be there with you at
the State House. If I wasn't working remotely, i'd be
there alongside you, but I'm working remotely a little bit
of a distance outside of Boston. Thanks thanks Pat, and
say thank you your brother Mike for me.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay, I will have I'm good, I thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay, those are you in the line? Christian is back,
Matt and Jeff stayed there. The only lines open six, one, seven.
I want to drive home this point, and we will
in the next hour. This story has to be taught
in Massachusetts public high schools on a mandatory basis.
He's night side with Dan Ray w BZ Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, thank you very much, Dan Watkins. We are
two days away from the twenty fourth anniversary of nine
to eleven. I think anybody in this audience who is
I don't know, thirty five years of age or older,
remember exactly where they were on that day. Joining me
(00:26):
now is Pat Davis. Pat's brother Mark, who played both
They were born and grew up. Grew up in Roslyndale
in the city of Boston, and Mark had a twin brother.
And Mark was on one of the planes out of
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Boston along with a former Boston Bruin player, garn Itt
Ace Bailey. Mark played four years at BU and played
several years in the American Hockey League, the East Coast
High Key League. Had coached at Harvard and I was
was on that plane. He he was a scout for
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the Los Angeles Kings. UH and UH both he and
former Bruins player Ace Bailey were amongst those who died,
so who were killed by the terrorists and with us
tonight to talk about what's going to happen here UH
in in Boston at the State House on Thursday, in
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commemoration of that horrific day. But in commemoration of the
souls we lost that day is Pat Bavis, Mark's brother. Pat.
Welcome to Night's side. Thanks for joining us. I know
this has to be a bittersweet time time of a
year for everyone in the Bavis family.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Dan, thank you for having me here tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Dan. Every year it's difficult to go through it, and
you know what brings back exactly the day, the tragic
day that had happened. I play it back, not just
the day. I play it back all the time like
it was just yesterday, you know, but with that day.
You know, over the last twenty four years, we as
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a family have had a you know, make changes and
make positive strides as a family to be strong and
get through every day.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
But we've done it by.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Getting out to high schools and talking to children. Originally
we started it was with children that were born and
really didn't understand it. But now we feel that, you know,
we're getting into a time that students weren't even weren't
born when nine to eleven happened, and it actually teaches
history teachers of a teacher in high schools weren't born.
(02:54):
So the nine to eleven Fund has created an education
program that is made use a friendly for all the instructors,
the teachers, the students to comprehend truly what happened that day.
But it's usual friendly, just you know. Originally started this program,
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we myself and family members of the nine to eleven
Fund were going around the high schools and actually doing
presentations in history classes, are speaking in front of the
whole school and auditoriums, and it was well received. You know,
over the last fifteen years, we probably went to twenty
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high schools and what was fantastic about is the kids
got engaged and asked us questions. But we know the
difficulty of the high schools to put this together and
get everybody to come into an auditorium and then release
the kids and stuff. There's a lot of things that happen,
moving posts that have to happen. So what we have
(03:55):
created is we created a new website that is just
use the leaf for the instructors and the students to
use and they didn't get the benefit of learning about
nine to eleven. And with that being said, the nine
to eleven Fund has actually this year potted with GBH
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and PBS to PBS Media to now get the education
program nationwide.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And you know, before we get to that, Pat, I
just want to you know, have your recall your your brother.
I mean, he was an outstanding athlete. Uh oh he uh,
he played you know, four years at Boston University. He
had his life in front of him. I believe that
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at the at the time of his uh his death
or his murder, however you want to describe it, he
was only what about forty years old, right.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Ha Actually actually actually was thirty one years old. Yeah,
And as Danna's explained, you know, my brother Mark was
a local hockey player. From playing the Catholic Memorial and
winning three state championships in high school, going on to
Boston University and playing there for four years, and then
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having a little stint in the American Hockey League and
realizing that, okay, I want to get to coaching. And
he you know, coached at Havard, did a little stint
at Brown, and then he wanted to expand a little
bit further, and you know, he wanted to get into scouting.
And as Bailey recruited him to scout for the Washita
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the Kings, he was very excited about it. And uh,
you know, that day. You know, I could play it,
play it back like it was yesterday. When I called
his twin brother, Mike, Mike was actually Upper Winnipeg scouting
kids kids from Boston University. And you know, my wife said,
(06:01):
have you talk to Mike today? And uh, I said,
I have not. What's wrong? You know, Mark was supposed
to travel. He's, you know, campus supposed to start for
the Kings today and he's traveling. And I called Mike,
and you know, it's crazy, how life is your your
dial the phone in Winnipeg, and Mike picks up on
the first, the first ring. He says that I'm trying
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to find out what's going on. Something's got right. And
you know I will tell you about the hockey community
that how strong they were even that day. You know.
I get back to my mother's house of Rosendale and
by three o'clock there was over two hundred kids that
my brother, Marck and Mike played hockey through Hyde Park,
the Hockey or cath Memorial bu. They were all in
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the street, they were all in the driveway, they were
all in my mother's house. Just the shocking news to them,
to my family. And one key thing, and that's stands
out to me that day is you know, my mother,
who was a strong Irish woman, did not believe it
(07:07):
until I got the call from Senator Kennedy. And Senator
Kennedy called and you know, said he was deeply sorry,
but he also said he knew how we felt because
of his loss of his two brothers. And that's when
it really hit home. And I had to tell everybody
to get out of the house. And we sat with
my mother up then and said, Mom, this is Rael.
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Our life had just changed, and you know, we're gonna
get prepared for this. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Uh again, I kind of of all the families that
were impacted, yours was impacted the most. You know, all
the different families who and I've talked to members of
families over over the years, both in my time in
television and my time here in radio, and there's just
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nothing to be said to console you, even now twenty
four years less. A couple of days later, when I
get back Pat, I'd like to talk about the events
of this coming Thursday at the State House. I believe
it's open to the public if I'm not mistaken, and
I know that you are very familiar with what will
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go on who will be there. I'd like to just
preview that for people to think about. And then I
want to talk about, for me, the stunning fact that
nine to eleven, which was such a day that changed
so many lives, none more than the Bavis family lives
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were changed, but for those of us who didn't know
or didn't have family members, our lives, people's lives around
the world were changed, and all because of the plot
by nineteen individuals to crash four planes in three different
(09:01):
locations in America. And that day is not part of
the mandatory history curriculum in high schools here in Massachusetts.
So those are the two things we're going to get to.
My guest is Pat Bavis. His brother Mark, one of
those who perished on nine to eleven. He was on
(09:22):
a flight to Los Angeles that that sadly and tragically
was a flown into the World Trade Center in New
York City. Back with Pat Bavis, if you'd like to
call and just just talk about this day, that that
we can never forget this day, in my opinion, Back
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on Nightside, you have the numbers. Back right after this.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We're talking about Pat Bavis, his brother Mark, along with
the other passengers on United Airlines Flight one seventy five,
crashed into the World Trade Center of New York City
during the terror attacks of September eleventh. The twenty fourth
anniversary of that day will be commemorated at the State
(10:17):
House this Thursday. Pat, I'm sure you're going to be there.
Give us an idea about the events on Thursday. I
want to talk about not only what's going to happen
this year, but what should happen as we approach the
twenty fifth anniversary a year from now. There'll be a
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lot of familiar faces up there and a lot of
people from the hockey.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
World Dan, So you know, every year we celebrate, the
commoration is at the State House.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You know, we start off.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Reading the names of all the loved ones that lost
their lives on nine to eleven from Massachusetts. But then
we're going to so into chambers and this year the
theme is the living legacy the education of nine to eleven.
And the big thing that we struggle with is why
is nine to eleven not emphasized in history classes and
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in high schools today?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We talk about we celebrate.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Bunker Hill, Day, Lexington and Concord. We talk about Pearl Harbor,
but nine to eleven is not discussed in high schools
as students today, and that is our struggles. So we're
going to take all the excuses off the table and
we're going to give it, you know, in a way
that it's easy for them to, you know, online, get
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the information. Have the students be able to go online
and use this tool. I think the struggle, Dan is
that you know, when we talk nine to eleven, everybody
thinks of New York and again, yes it did. It
was the two of the two trade centers. Okay, but
we have to understand the two planes originated from Logan
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Airport and two hundred and nineteen people with family tized
that Massachusetts died in the attacks. This is the history,
you know. You know, we're coming up on two hundred
and fifty years of our country. And I honestly believe
history is the most important thing to teach young kids
because that what makes you stronger. Some things in history
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of every difficulty, but it makes makes a student stronger
in life.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, here's my question. There are some this is a course,
as I understand it, or a segment of a history
course that should be presented to students, I believe in
their junior year in high school. We're not talking about
teaching kids in the fourth or the third of the
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second grade. We're talking about, you know, before they leave
high school, know about the history of Massachusetts. And this
is a it's the only time, to the best of
my knowledge, that the United States mainland was ever attacked
in this way. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was not a state
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in nineteen forty one. It was I guess, a territory.
So this was an attack that began on American soil
and took the lives of innocent Americans both on the
plains and in the buildings at the World Trade Center,
at the Pentagon and at the field in Pennsylvania. This
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has to be taught in every to every high school
junior who graduates as they approach graduate graduation. So the
website that your group, the Massachusetts nine to eleven Fund,
has created is basically a teaching tool that should be
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available to any school system, to any high school, any
history teacher that wants it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Number one correct exactly, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Dan, And all they have to do is go to
your website Mass nine to eleven fund dot dot org
or dot com dot org issoon dot org.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yump and click on education.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And by the way, I should say that that on
the committee, you're the chair of the Education Department.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That that is correct. And I will be the MC
on Thursday at the State House speaking to the audience
that day about the education program and some of the
positive things we've done and what we're going to do
in the future.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I'll tell you who will be some of the
I believe former Boston Mayor Marty Walls would be speaking. Uh,
Bob Sweeney of you know, former NHL player, is going
to speak. His sister in law, Amy Sweeney, was Was
she a flight attendant on the flight that that your
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brother was on the other plane?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, she was. She was on flight eleven and Mark
was on United flight one seventy five. You know. The
key thing about it then is that, you know, you know,
the connection we have of obviously losing our loved ones
on nine to eleven, the connection we have with the
hockey community. You know, Mark obviously smoke about you know,
(15:52):
being a hockey player in Boston. Uh, you know, Bob
Sweeney being a star at Boston College, playing for the
Bruins and now runs to the Boston Bruin's Foundation. But
how Bob has grown through losing his sister in law,
his mate had made him a better person. Former Mayor
Marty Walsh is now president of the Players uh Players
(16:15):
Hockey Association. You know, Matty's wife lost to her cousin
Stusan McKay. So Matty feels this pain and Mighty's wife
feels this pain like everybody else, you know, and they're
going to be there speaking, They're going to be, you know,
telling their stories. I'm going to be driving home the
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education program because we feel, honestly, Dan, we feel that
we're losing it, and we're coming up on twenty five
years and you know it, and I know it, and
hopefully everybody that's listened to it to it is the
words will never forget. And we cannot let the young
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students rolling today ever forget about nine to eleven, not
even learn about it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
That's what is amazing to me that I think that
there's a very famous building in Washington. I forget which
one it was, but it basically says the pastor's prologue,
which is essentially another way of saying those that forget
history are doomed to repeat it. And I'm stunned that
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a segment how whatever the education community would call it,
a unit on nine to eleven is not again mandatory
for every student who was graduating high school. I think
that the year that is most important is the junior year,
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so they learn about it in class. I don't know
if people are afraid of, uh, you know, it being
taught in a way which indicts, you know, an entire
region of the world or whatever. I mean. I know
that there are all of those sensitivities that are involved,
but it's it's history. From our perspective, it's bad history,
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but it can't be swept under the rug anymore, and
it needs Do you have any any idea of the
percentage of high schools in Massachusetts that do on their
own teach you.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't know the exact percentage, but I do know
what's very low.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I will tell you a dan.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In this country, there's only four states that mandate having
it's taught into the it's taught in the high schools fourteen.
That is to me, it's a shame, it's a sin.
It's and again I look at it started in Massachusetts.
And then one of the most important things that want
people to understand is, you know, we tell the story
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so they can learn from it what tragic events happened,
but we put a positive spin on it. This isn't
supposed to be something that you know, people walk away
angry about. And I will tell you myself personally, yes,
you know, over the last twenty four years, I was
very angry at the world. But I had to find
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something positive and this was the positive out to teach
young young students, you know, the history have happened that day.
Because you can't shell them on everything. You can't very history.
History makes people stronger, you know. And somehow we need
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to get Massachusetts on board. I'm hoping that, you know,
the opportunity on Thursday, we get the attention of the
Math Board of Education, you know, we get the attention
of the Secretary of Education and the Education Commissioner, just
to give us time to present them to material to
them and say this is very well done. Now we
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see what Now we see the angle you're coming from.
We definitely need to get there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But also to make it mandatory, it is going to
have to be a piece of legislation that will pass
the House of Representatives, the state Senate, and signed into
law by the governor. Because when you're dealing with the
administrative administrative secretaries of education, they can make recommendations and suggestions,
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but they can't make it mandatory. I do not believe,
and it has to has to pass the legislature. Pat,
let's do this. Let's just take a quick break. I
would love to know if my audience agrees with you
and me that this should be a part of the
mandatory education of every public school student and private school student,
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but every public school student in the Comwealth of Massachusetts.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I will admit that I
did not know until today when I talked with you
later on today or earlier today, I should say that
this was not a mandatory component of a high school
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education in Massachusetts. To think that someone can go to
high school graduate at the age of eighteen, after twelve
years of you know, elementary, junior, high and high school
education and not not know what happened on nine to eleven,
just the facts, if nothing else, to me, is appalling,
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and I'd love to hear from as many of my
listeners in the next thirty minutes that we have left
on this segment six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Coming right
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
My guest is Pat Davis. Pat's brother, Mark was one
of the people killed during nine to eleven professional hockey player,
played four years at BU coached at Harvard. It's an
assistant coach at Harvard and was in the employee of
the Los Angeles Kings. And Pat as the education chairman
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of the mass nine to eleven Fund, and he is
pushing and rightfully so that the history courses in Massachusetts
provide a unit to teach what happened on nine to
eleven to every public school high school student in Massachusetts
before they graduate, preferably in their junior year. Pat, we
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have full line, so let's get right to it. We're
gonna start off with Christian in Pbody, Massachusetts. Christian, you're on,
Pat Davis. Go right ahead. Christian.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You said yes, sir, oh good and over so I
can talk safely without driving.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I'm over.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Good, Run ahead, Christian you're on the air. We're fifteen
seconds and you would say hello to Pat Bavis.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Go ahead, thank you hello.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
In my greatest respect to this subject, I totally agree.
It's just something that regardless of the sensitivities, it's something
that if it isn't presented to all, we can't not
afford the babe.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Kristin. We don't have a great connection here. I assume
you're probably on a Bluetooth.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
No, I'm not on BLUETOOTHO.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Can you hear me better? Now?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Not especially? Let me have let me have my producer
Dan try to clean up your call. In the meantime,
I'll just but you on hold uh, Dan take over
and get us better audio with Christians so we can
hear what he has to say. Let me go next
to Patrick in Washington, d C. Patrick, you're next on
Nightside On with Pat Bavis.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Go ahead, Patrick, Mister Davis, I want to thank you
very much for donating your voice and your feelings on
this subject. I mean, you know, being an advocate, but
donating your care for all of US Americans, because I
would like you to consider also in your let's call
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it a curriculum to describe how much of our freedoms
were lost on nine to eleven. We could not we
are not the same free people in Washington, d C.
Where we could go wherever we wanted to go. No,
we can't do that anymore. A lot of our freedoms
were taken away because of nine eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, it impacted people around the world, Patrick, no doubt,
and we're still feeling it today. But obviously the inconveniences
that we all deal with at airports pale in comparison
to the loss of the lives, including Pat Davis's brother Mark.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Yeah, so again, mister Davis, is good to have you
on the radio program. Good to hear you, and I
thank you so much for your efforts.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Patrick, appreciate your call very much.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Thanks Patrick. All right, let's keep rolling here. Say if
Christian wants to call back, Dan, I don't know how
that audio. Yeah, his audio was just tough, really tough.
All right, let me go next to Eric and Attleborough. Eric,
you're next on Niksig, go right ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
My opinion is the tragedy that happened on the ground
and the heroicism of the firefighters, well, the firefighters the
first responders, the police, fellow co workers, helping coworkers, you know,
when the towers fell.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
To stick to the facts on the ground of all
the lives that were lost that day and not go
any further as to anything that may have happened after.
Like a gentleman on the call before, I think, was
referring to the patriot, I think, yeah, I think it's
very important to really solidify what happened to the I
(26:10):
think it was roughly two thousand, nine hundred lives lost,
you know. And then after the fact, a lot of
the workers that you know, ah, you know, helping to
clean rubble and everything, and then developed you know, uh,
you know, as a pattern, are of developing some some
(26:32):
sort of long infection and things.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But more than that, they suffered that many of them
have suffered cancers which were directly attributable to the to
the chemicals that they were exposed to, either on on
the days after nine to eleven, or long term, long
long term issues and long term problems. The problem, Eric,
and I'm a straight shooter here, so I'm going to
(26:55):
tell you what I believe the problem is. Do you
realize that a month ago, in August of twenty twenty five,
what anniversary most Americans are unaware of occurred.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I mean as far as like a like.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Historic event in well, I'll tell you, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna make it agonized here. August of twenty
twenty five was the eightieth anniversary of the end of
World War Two. The United States, as you know, was
attacked at Pearl Harbor, and for three years, a little
(27:38):
longer than three and a half years, this country was
in a state of war with Japan, Germany, Italy, and
we survived and we won World War Two. Now exactly
that eightieth anniversary passed with hardly a notice, hardly a notice.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Not correct in the United States.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
But that's I mean that, in my humble opinion is
because you know, ya, Ukraine, there's a war with Russia,
and like as far as in Beijing last week they
had a magnificent tribute.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
To you know, they had a magnificent tribute to the
Chinese military that wants to blow us to bits. Eric,
I hope you didn't take any consolation in that. What
I'm saying is we should have celebrated the work of
the Greatest generation, and we should have celebrated it proudly
and we didn't and I don't want that to happen
(28:44):
to not to the tragedy of nine to eleven, simple
as that. Eric, appreciate your call very much, but we've
got a role here. I've got to keep going. Thank
you very much. I have a great night. Pat. I
just you know, I want to make sure that that
that I'm not nothing that I'm saying is is going
(29:05):
to cause you a problem at the State House. But
I feel strongly about this.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Oh Dan, I appreciate it. And Dan, you know your
last two qualers. I just want to I did hear
what Christian was saying. Christian was Christian was back in
I was about it should be mandated in the state
of Massachusetts, and just some keynotes for Eric I was
listening today. You know, over four hundred fire men have
passed away since nine to eleven, So three hundred forty
(29:35):
three passed on the day of nine to eleven, and
four hundred had passed to date because of the cancer
and the toxins down at ground zero, of them trying
to be heroes, trying to find loved ones.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You know, and we can't forget their sacrifice either. The
continuing sacrifice that those families are correct. My guest is
Pat Davis. Pat is the chair of the Education Committee
on the mass nine to eleven Fund. He will be
the master of ceremonies on Thursday at the twenty fourth
(30:07):
commemoration of that day which we must never forget, nine
to eleven, two thousand and one. And we are now
looking forward to a little over a year from now
the twenty fifth anniversary, and hopefully by then the nine
to eleven curriculum will be mandatory for every high school
student to graduate from high school here in Massachusetts. We
(30:30):
have full lines. We're going to get to everybody. We're
coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right, let me keep you only going to go
to Nick and Beverly. Nick, we have pack lines. You're
next on Nightside. Go right ahead. You're on with Pat
Davis his brother Mark Perish at nine to eleven.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thank you for I absolutely agree with what your point is.
I absolutely agree with what you're fighting for.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
And on I just want to tell a story real quick.
My dad on nine to eleven. My dad was working
at Washington mutual, which no longer exists as a mortgage company.
His boss had a daughter and his well, his daughter
(31:26):
worked in the World Trade Center and she was fifteen
minutes lateful work and she got stuck on the subway.
But she's still alive.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah. Wow, it's funny how things work like that.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Huh ah, blessed for that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
And I had another person I know, I had a
friend he told me this story. He from I had
a friend from first grade and knew him up to
sixth grade. And he said his uncle walked out of
on the you know, the first floor of the towers
(32:03):
when the first plane hit.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Sure, well, if you're lucky enough to be you know,
in one of the ground floors, you had a chance
of surviving. But if you were above any of the
floors where the planet end.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, I mean, if you were outside, you could just
run inside the lobby and wait till the debris stopped falling,
and then run away as far as you could to
get away from that.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, get in touch with your state representative, your state senator,
and tell them that you want a unit of curriculum
on the nine to eleven tragedy mandatory in Massachusetts Public schools.
We got to get that passed, I think by next
next September the eleventh.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
All right, thank you very much, and I appreciate your call.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Kad say something hello, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You want to go right ahead, I'm just I thought.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
On well, I wasn't alive on nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Nick?
Speaker 8 (33:10):
Twenty twenty? Okay, well, thank you for my birthday? Is
my twenty first birthday will be Super Bowl Sunday. Next
year will be it will be Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I understand that, but again, what did you want to
say that relates to nine to eleven tonight? The other.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
During you know, I wasn't alive, So the moment the
most momant to stay in my opinion, Well, when I
was alive was the Boston Marathon bombing day.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That that should be That should be taught in history
as well. I couldn't everything more. Nick, call another night,
we can have a longer conversation, but I got pack lines.
I want to try to accommodate as many folks as
I can. Thank you so much for thanks for listening
tonight's side. Nick, appreciate it. Let me go to Daryl
up in Canada, Darryl next on nights. I go ahead, Darryl.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Hey, Dan, Pat all the respect as well. Hey Daryl, Hey,
I was calling. The reason I'm calling is because you
mentioned nine to eleven. When I grew up, a neighbor
of mine actually worked with my uncle as a firefighter
in southern Ontario, closer to Detroit. As we've talked about, Dan, yep.
(34:25):
And when I was nine to eleven, I was up
at Fort McMurray oil sands projects and we had fighters
flying over top. The whole job site was shot down
and to hopefully emphasize your story will not be forgotten.
The iron workers and the IBW flags are flying at
(34:47):
the top of the highest mast and from there the
stories and the fire fighters we've met over the years.
One person you might have heard of, I'm not sure
Kevin mccurrd. He went to nine to eleven. Okay, it
was about the fallen forgotten when they cleaned up the
(35:10):
site and whatnot. But people, even my small village in
New Brunswick here, they send the small contingent every year
to nine to eleven. That's for remembrance.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Thank you well, Darryl, Thank you very much. I know
you're a listener and you're a regular caller, and I
know that this is an issue that we see the
same way. I'm in one country and along with that,
and you're in a neighboring country as a great country
and of itself that has always stood with the United States.
And we need to get this taught in our schools.
(35:43):
And maybe you can start a program making sure it's
taught in Canadian schools as well.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Oh no, trust me, we already know. I dropped off
a pamphlet to the local wareholl when I moved here,
and it's only a small village of four hundred people,
but they respect it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But oh, Darrel, I got pack lines. I gotta keep rolling,
my man. We'll talk soon. Okay, thank you much. Let
me go next to kenon Canton, Massachusetts. Ken, you're own
with Pat Davis.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Go right ahead, Ken, Yeah, Hi Dan.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
First, I want to respond to Second, I want to
respond to something you said. Sure, But first I want
to stay to mister Bavis. I have the utmost respect
for you, and twenty four years later, I'm going to
offer you my condolences the brother. The death of your
brother was a very public one, and I can't imagine
what that was like, Perhaps the most historic moment in
our country's history, and your brother died. In addition to that,
(36:35):
we all refer to nine to eleven in pop culture,
turn in the news. What does somebody say, ever since
nine to eleven turn in a movie? I'm sorry to
say this. There's a plane crashing in the road trade
center that your brother was on. So again, my condolence
is to you that you have to relive this every year.
(36:59):
What I also want to say, Dannis, is a reaction
to something you said earlier. Sure, you said, should nine
to eleven be taught in schools? Well, I know that
was a rhetorical question, because of course it could.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well yeah, both both Pat and I strongly believe that,
and we'll make it. We'll make it a part of
this program if we have to to push it.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Absolutely, it's the most transformative moment in our country's history
that we have lived through, and not take a bear
at the Bunker Hill in the American Revolution, Lexington and
conquered Pearl Harbor. For most of us, it's the most
trans It's.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
A seminal moment, moment, There's no question about that.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Yep, So I endorse heavily having it taught in schools.
It's a no brainer. Thank you for the time, and
thank you mister Bavis.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Thanks, thanks Ken, appreciate it. We got a bunch of
calls on the line here. I'm going to get to
all of you next hour. Pat, I know that you've
got to get ready for Thursday, and I don't want
to hold you any long. We're going to keep talking
about this in the next hour, but thank you, and
I know you're doing a great job on Thursday, and
(38:09):
I look forward to having you on the program again.
And let's let's fight very hard to get this curriculum
in the Massachusetts public schools because it is history. It's
bad history, but at history that can never be forgotten.
Thank you, my.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Friend, good Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
As a sport.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Thank you you bet you, and to say how to
Marty Walsh for me, and say he to Bob Sweeney
and all my friends. Will be there with you at
the State House. If I wasn't working remotely, i'd be
there alongside you, but I'm working remotely a little bit
of a distance outside of Boston. Thanks thanks Pat, and
say thank you your brother Mike for me.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay, I will have I'm good, I thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay, those are you in the line? Christian is back,
Matt and Jeff stayed there. The only lines open six, one, seven.
I want to drive home this point, and we will
in the next hour. This story has to be taught
in Massachusetts public high schools on a mandatory basis.
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