December 4, 2025 • 37 mins
Saint Susanna's Parish in Dedham has put out their Christmas nativity scene this year with a sign in the manger that says, "ICE was here". The display has received mixed reactions from the community. The congregation supports the display saying, "This is a parish that’s very supportive of immigration." While those that take aim with the sign say the church is politicizing the nativity scene. Where do you come down on this display?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan ray how in WBSY, Boston's
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please do not wait until like the twentieth or the
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be you'll be out in the cold, literally and figuratively. Okay, now,
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let me talk about this story that I saw on
the Globe today, and I got to be honest with you,
I think it's inappropriate. It's as as someone who happens
to be a Catholic, I think I can I can
talk about this. I can talk about it if it's
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any religion. But according to the Globe story written by
Truman Deckerson, if you saw it in the paper today,
at Saint Susannah Catholic Church in Dedham, they apparently, and
it sounds to me as if not only the congregation
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but also the priest who Marita contacted today, Father Stephen
Josoma Hope. I'm pronouncing his arrade his name correctly, they
have decided to replace the nativity figurines. They have a
Nativity scene I guess on the front on the church
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property on the law of the church, and they've taken
the figurines of the baby Jesus, the Blessed Mother, Mary
and Joseph, and they've removed those figures and left a
sign that said that says Ice was here. And of
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course the analogy that the Church is trying to create
in the minds of people is that if if Jesus
and Mary and Joseph were here, they would be treated
by Ice in a in a in a horrific way,
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in a horrific way. They are quoted as saying, a
couple of people saying, oh, everybody in the parish is
in full support of this. I doubt that. I doubt
that they talk about an expression from the US Conference
of Catholic Bishops in which they say, we're disturbed when
we see among our people a climate of fear and
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anxiety around questions of profiling an immigration enforcement. The bishop
said in a special message, according to the article here
by Truman Dickerson of The Globe, we're saddened by the
state of contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants. Let
me correct the Conference of Bishops. If you are here illegally,
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you're not an immigrant. You were here in an illegal capacity.
Uh if if if someone wants to express and take
the position that we need to get rid of our
borders as they were in effect non existent during the
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Biden years. Uh And the position of either the bishop,
the Conference of Bishops, or of this priest at Saint
Susannah in Denham is come one, come all, we will
we will handle everybody. And we don't have a right
to check on people. We don't have a wreck, We
don't have a to know who they are, why they're here.
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That's insanity, that's insanity. That should the Church be good
to people, absolutely absolutely, but to basically ignore what is
happening in the world and the migration of people to
this country, the vast majority of whom are coming here
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for all the right reasons, but to basically accuse ice
of some the equivalent of a sin against humanity, because
that's really what they're saying. These people are human beings,
yes they are, or they are, but they are looking
for people who have overstayed their visas, who are not
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here legally, who we have no idea what their background is.
And we as a society, as the United States of America,
have a right to know who is coming into this country.
That's why we have customs when people come in. If
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someone's coming to visit the United States, and if they're
going to stay on a temporary basis, they have to
go through the process of requesting a visa. They can't
overstay the visa. And I don't think it helps anyone.
And if Father Hosts Joe Soma joined us tonight, he's
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unavailable tonight, He's welcome to join us any night, any
night and talk about this. What you're essentially doing is
taking the religious holiday and trying to turn it into
a political statement. It's as simple as that Ice is
doing what they have been prescribed, they have been told
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to do to keep the country safe. I don't know
if the charity, if you will that I'm sure of
Father Stephen Josama feels in his heart as the pastor
at Saint Saint Susanna, extends equally equally to the people
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who have been victimized by people who are here illegally.
We have a drug epidemic in this country which is
taking thousands of lives every year. We as a society
and as a country, we can do nothing about it
and say, fine, you know people will mess around with
drugs and let's get let's open the borders and bring
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the drugs in, which is one of the ways, by
the way drugs are coming in with open borders. There
are people who have come here and have committed crimes.
There are people who have come here, have been given
CDL licenses, commercial drivers' licenses, and have caused major accidents
which have taken the lives of innocent Americans. There are
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people who have been victimized. There are Americans who kill Americans.
But we don't need more people killing Americans. And I
think that what the Trump administration is doing here needed
to be done. President Obama when he was president, actually
deported I think more people than even Donald Trump did.
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Because at one point President Obama was called the chief
deporter or the deporter in chief. And it just seems
to me that Father Josama apparently has done this before.
This is not the first time. Back when Donald Trump
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was president in twenty sixty. Well, in twenty eighteen, the
church drew national attention with a Nativity scene that showed
Baby Jesus trapped in a cage. That also a protest
against the first Trump administration's policy of separating families at
the border. So I'm tired of it. The Catholic Church
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has had a rough twenty years and I think that
they are beginning to turn the corner on the pedophile
priest scandal, which is which again was in the church.
It was a cancer within the church that there was
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a cover up. And again I'm speaking of someone who
is a Catholic. I go to I try to go
to church every week. I'm certainly not the best Catholic,
but that's the church into which I was born and
which I was baptized, and h it just troubles me
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that people want to use the Catholic Church as a
politic cudgel here because these ICE agents are doing their job,
which is to eliminate people in the country, get them
out of the country who are a danger to this country.
So I'm going to open up phone lines. If you
agree with me, that would be great. If you disagree
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and want to argue that this display it's perfectly appropriate.
It's divisive. I mean, it's it's at the time of
year when you would like to think that we all
could agree, at the time of year that celebrate what
the Catholic Church believes, and other religions can celebrate what
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they believe without politicizing everything. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one, seven, nine, three, ten thirty will be
back right after these brief messages on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
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Speaker 2 (12:58):
All right, let's get rolland going to go to Sue
in Westwood. Susan, you are not in Denham, but you're
in the town next over. What do you think about
all of this?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jan can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes? I can, Susan, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Awesome. Well, I'm a first time caller. I found your
show to be thoughtful, interesting, sometimes provocative, but this evening
I had to call in because your comment about ICE
doing what needs to be done, I was just so.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Struck by how.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Off the rails that seems to be.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Because tell me no, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
First of all, Susan, thanks for being first time called.
We're going to give you a rout of applause. And
I want to know why you feel that ICE trying
to get people out of the country who have come
here illegally, and particularly those who have come here and
have either recommitted crimes. The most dangerous is off the rails.
I'm all ears.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So the vast majority of the people that ICE is
picking up have not committed any crimes at all. They're
Laura abiding citizens. Although they may have been here illegally.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They can't. Well not to be picky, but you can't
be a law abiding citizen. You might be a Laura
abiding person, and I do think that, and I have
yet to see the statistics, Susan. I surely am not
going to challenge you on that, but I have yet
to see any statistics. I know that they have picked
up gang members. I know that for certain. I follow
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the Federal court, the criminal court in Boston very closely,
and if they have picked up people who are Laura
abiding people, I'm willing to look past them. I want
the bad people out because they represent a real danger
to your family and to my family. I'm not going
to interrupt you again, Garret ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Please respectfully, sir. They don't represent a danger to my
family or your family.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
The vast majority of.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
The people that I just picking up are law upon
people who have come to this country in search of
a better life. New York Times profile a gardener in
southern California who will raised three sons, all of which
have entered the military, and he was being deported until
the local citizens protested and worked hard. The gentleman had
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come to the country illegally but never got his legal
citizen's legal status, and with the help of his sons,
after being detained by Ice, they worked that out to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
The point is there, Well, I think that I think
what that shows is that Ice has been reasonable in
that case. Let me can I ask you, Let me
ask you a question if I could, do you feel
that as a country we have any right to have
borders or should we allow anybody to come into this country?
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And if that is a position that we're, you know,
human beings and we live in the world, that's a
that's a legitimate position. It's to me like you might
be willing to say, let's get rid of ICE and
let's get rid of any border patrol and allow people
to come and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
No, that's a shameful jump on your part. I didn't
say that at all.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I know you didn't. I asked, Susan, do me
a favored don't call me shameful number one. But because
I have an opinion and you have an opinion, and
we're trying to have a conversation, I wanted to know honestly,
because there are people who believe no country should have borders.
So you agree we should have borders. Should we stop
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people from coming in the country here who do not have,
you know, a legitimate purpose to come in.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The country, Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But let me ask you this. If people have been.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
In the country illegally, they entered illegally in twenty eleven,
or they entered illegally in twenty thirteen, and since those
years they've been working as vibrant members of the community.
Your gardener, your hairdresser, the members of your PTA. Those
people need to be kicked up by ice and deported.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's shameful.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well again, you can consider it shameful. I consider it
enforcing the law. Uh, And you know you can consider
it shameful. Do I think that the politicians could come
up with a compromise which could take into consideration. I
don't want to see people uh manhandled uh. I don't
want to see people treated poorly. But at the same time,
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if there are people who are here uh and have
lived a good life for a certain period of time,
whatever that certain period of time might be, I'm more
than willing to have a category here. But I want
as many, or put it better, I want every person
who is here illegally, who has committed a crime while
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they're here deported. I assume you would join me in.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That, can I ask you wouldn't?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I don't have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But what I'm trying to but Susan, Susan, Susan. So
it's a conversation. Susan, I asked you a question.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'm trying to ask you.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I'm trying to answer.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I'm trying to answer.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
If you if you're a responsor to the question, great,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
You're trying I'm trying to make an answer. I'm trying
to answer you. So you're making a correlation between people
who are here illegally and people who have committed crimes.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I actually major.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
A lot of money that the correlation is not there.
That the people who have committed the vast majority of
people who are here illegally have been here from time,
are contributing members of society. They help grow our GDP,
they are members of your they're your neighbors.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, now you've you've made You've made the statement. I'm
going to resume the question, and that is if if
I'm willing to say to you, we could have some
sort of a system for people who have been here
for a certain period of time and have been good citizens.
I'm more than willing to be compromising about that. So
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now I will ask the question of you again. If
someone is here illegally and they have committed a crime,
would you support they being deported for having been here
illegally and committed and having committed a crime. That's a
yes or no answer. Okay, fine, well that's good. So
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we have some We actually have some some areas of
agreement here, Susan, and I'm glad. Well that's that's exactly
the point. That's exactly the point. Now, if we were
negotiating this would have to figure out how long someone
has been here, what their circumstances are. I am not
happy when I see a high school student picked up,
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and as a matter of fact, I think the Trump
administration makes a huge mistake when they grab people who
were illegal. I saw someone tonight who was a US
citizen who was picked up and she was released. Okay,
I don't know why she was picked up. She apparently
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was driving the automobile of a colleague or a friend,
maybe a boyfriend who is here illegally, so she kind
of put herself in the crosshairs of ice. Look, I
thank you for your call, and I thank you for
engaging in a conversation, and I'm glad you called, and
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I hope that we have more conversations.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you very much for taking
the call. And I seriously cautioned the idea that all
illegal immigrants have broken the law, because some people seem
to say that with great blibness, and that is clearly
not the kid.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, if they're here illegally, they have by virtue of
being here illegally, broken the law, whether they overstate a
visa in here under you know, circumstances that we don't
know who they are. I would certainly want to know
everybody who is not here, who's a citizen, and then
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we can try to understand what what are they contributing,
how long have they been here, But that's going to
include law enforcement, and they probably ICE out there checking
on people. I mean, the alternative is to spend another
four years like the Biden administration and allow another fifteen
million people in the country illegally. That might grow the economy,
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but that might cause a lot of problems.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Well, it's through the economy, and it actually enabled the
Fed not to raise rates as high as they would
have needed to because the productivity of the GDP growth
with their tops.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
The other thing I had read was there was a
study on the immigrants that came to the United States
versus the immigrants that went to Europe. And because the
social programs that Europe offered for so much greater that
the people who came to the United States, we are
the most hardworking, industrious people as opposed to the people
who are looking for a handout, which are the people
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that tended to go to Europe.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So well, yeah, no, again, those are generalizations. I'd like
to look at the study on that, Susan. So again,
as long as we at least can agree that we
want to get the criminal illegals out of the country,
those who are here illegally and have committed crimes, we
have some areas of agreement, and I'm happy about that.
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Fair enough, thank you, have a nice night. Okay, we're
a little late in the news, but that call was
worth it. The only line open is six one, seven nine, three, one,
ten thirty. If you feel like Susan and you want
to support what Susan believes, that would be great. If
you disagree with Susan, yeah, that would be great as well.
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Six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Coming back
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Speaker 1 (23:02):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Next up, let me go to William in Baltimore and
William welcome back. How are you sir?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Hey? How you doing Dan?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm doing fine talking to you buddy, all right?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Oh okay? Yeah, Dan, Look, I was listening to the
young lady and I totally disagree with her. I'm like you,
I belong to h a Christian a m me church
here in Baltimore, and uh a preacher. He went political right,
and uh, you know it's a black church. I'm a
black man. He was like, he was disappointed in black people,
black black men generally that are voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You know, I didn't think that was right. I didn't
say anything, but I I didn't think that was right.
But let me ask you this, Dan, you travel abroad,
I haven't when you go to different countries, which I've
talked to other people and they say, when you go
through customers, they ask you why you're there, right, and
how long you're gonna be there? Right?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You bet you visiting.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Right when they look at your passport. Yeah, so we
have this right here in the United States. And the
question that I would ask that young lady that when
you talk about the people that come here what I
call me legal aliens, a lot of people get mad
about it, but that's what they are. And they stay
here for ten, fifteen, twenty years, right, she said, they're
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working in all the fantastics. Well why don't they know
twenty years or ten years or fifteen years? Why don't
they apply for citizenship? Why do they stay here all
that time? They don't attempt to learn English, they don't
attempt to apply for citizenship. So, you know, like I
told you before, I have a niece that's an agent,
a federal agent, and she's black. You know, some of
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these radio stations here in baltim are always talking about
all the all the agents are white, and there's plenty
of them that are black too, you know. So of
course all I'm saying is yes, and this woman has
a master's degree. She's not no Rednet form you know, whatever,
they always try to cuse people are right.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So they like to justice. They liked to paint with
the rod brush, and and basically stereotype. And I don't
I've never believed in stereotypes, you know, but it's it's funny.
I mean, when people come to America, the first thing
they should do is learn the language. It's called the
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English language, but it's really learn American so that you
can you can you can work or whatever, whether you
come here illegally or or illegally. You got these CDL
licenses drivers who have caused multiple car crashes that have
killed American people, you know, doing a U turn on
an interstate, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yeah, and these are like in Maryland. You know here
in Maryland that a person can be legal and get
a license here. You know, I was shot to find
that out.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
You know, they can in Maryland. Maryland is a very
liberal state, you know. Yep, this guy uh More, you know,
I didn't vote on them, but you know, I'm not
impressed with him at all. I think he got other aspirations.
But you know what I feel, you know, I have
feelings for the people that are here and everything that
that not committing crowns but they have committed the crown.
Like you said, once you come here, you can't go
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to Mexico. I guarantee you cannot go to Mexico and
stay over, stay all welcome. We'll wind up in a
Mexican jail or any South American country, right because they're
not going to allow you to do that. Man, you
just cannot do that. And uh, and they're gonna treat
you more hostilely than what they're being treated here. Right.
So I disagree with her on several levels. And I'm
not saying all of them are criminals, because I've worked
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with some of those people, man, But all I'm saying
is not my job to ask their status. But all
I'm saying is that they hear illegal and the people
come in and arrest them, and you know, hey, that's
that's just the way it goes, man. And uh, you know,
you can't defend that, man. And that's going for the
criminal or the non criminal, because I feel like, if
they've been here all these years, why haven't they applied
for citizenship? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You're simply saying common sense. Look, this guy that that
shot and killed the the woman, the twenty year old
woman who was in the West Virginia National Guard who's
controlling the streets of Washington. We brought him here because
we thought he was a good person. Well, obviously we
didn't vet him adequately enough, because you know, if all
of a sudden, someone comes here and maybe you know,
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they're a drinker, they smoke marijuana, or they're late for work,
you know, might not be a perfect citizen. But you know,
you know, but this guy drove across the country and
to kill innocent National Guard members. I wonder if, and
again Susan is not with us here, but I wonder
how much empathy Susan has in her heart for the
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family of this twenty year old woman. You know, they
will never see her again. They will never see her again.
And if this guy had been vetted, he actually was
brought here, I guess legally because the Biden administration said
they vetted him.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Well, right, that's what they said, right, So, and you
know what scares me too, then that Trump is gone,
right and they get a Democrat in there, they're gonna
they're gonna let these people aren't let again because everything
that Trump does they hate man, you know, And I'm
not gonna say that Trump is right on everything, because
he's not. But I'm just saying, you know, I agree
with him on most of his policies. I think that
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he makes crazy statements too, But you.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Know, but he's his worst I think he's his own
worst enemy, William, and that uh, he he engages in
sort of gratuitous you know, calling a reporter, you know,
miss Peggy, little Peggy or something like that. Why would
you do that? Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
That's fastly.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, you we're on the same pays is always I'm
my favorite call more often if I don't talk to you,
have a great Christmas season.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Okay, oh yeah, married Christmas to YouTube, Dan n I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Talks, but we take a quick break here the only
line in six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
We'll get this role, and I promise coming back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Night Side, Dan Ray, Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Begin growing. You're going to go to Greg and Roslindale,
Greg next on Niksiger, Go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yes, Dan, I am calling because I've had the opportunity
to go down to the Mexican border in January and
cross through no Galas, Arizona to New Galas, Mexico. I'm
not sure if you're familiar with that area down there.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm familiar with southern Arizona. I've been to southern Arizona.
I have not been in Nicolas. What's your point?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
So the point is is that.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
There are illegal alien aliens or immigrants that are trying
to get into the country. But what is not they're
not getting due process and they're being treated many times
kind of like animal was like I have a uh
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friend in Iowa that immigrants have to check in either
in Des Moines or see the rapids, and how are.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
They being treated? How are they being denied due process?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Greg So so you know, people have to report, you know,
on a regular basis, the people that are in immigration
trying to get in that have signed in.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yea, if someone I think what you're referring. I think
what you're referring to is if if someone goes to
a an entry point uh and requests asylum and and
are able to make a legitimate claim that they would
be in danger if they were forced to be returned
to their country UH and and we then accept them
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for asylum claims. We have allowed people to views that
to be honest with you. But that's a way in
which people can come into the country legally, and then
as part of that process, they have to periodically report
because oftentimes the asylum cases are not heard for seven
or eight years because the system is so overwhelmed. But
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I don't see how anyone's being denied do process.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Well, you know, think of the if you've seen on
television people being arrested, you know, pacing the window, take
dragging them out of the car, and they they take
them to the local holding area and then they ship
them right off as far away as they can from
their lawyers, so they can't get due process. And these
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people have papers, many of them do.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I'm well, well, I.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Don't know how many. Again, you're you're, you're you're speaking
to me. Generally, I have seen individuals, because.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I'm talking about specific sidences that I am aware of.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, I'm about to tell you that I have seen
agents breaking windows. The agent has said roll down the window,
and the person might not understand the language, but they
they certainly understand that the agent wants to talk to them. Now,
if they're here legally, they should have nothing to worry about.
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Now when the guy doesn't roll down the window. Greg,
What should the ice agent do? Say gee, I'm sorry
to have bothered you and walk away.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, number one.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
What would happen to you? Greg? Let me ask you this.
What would happen to you? Greg? If tonight you're driving
home and a Boston police officer stops you because you
know he had you had a light out or something
like that, and he said to you, roll down the window.
He said, nope, not rolling down the window. Roll down
the window. I need to see your license and registration.
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I'm not rolling down the window. I'm a US citizen.
You can't bother me. What do you think that he's
going to do?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Good analogy?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Because you know, I'm an American, I was borned Americans.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So I'm going to roll down my window.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
But what But what I'm saying is if you didn't
roll down the window, what do you think he would do?
Do you think the police officer gonna say, Hey, no problem,
you go ahead. Not going to happen. There's no denial
of due process here, Greg, I had no idea.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Well what you're driving that there is?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
So what I'm saying about.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So you're a lawyer, where do you practice, Greg.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
I'm a retired pharmacist.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh well, in that case, then you must understand due process. Greg,
I appreciate the call. I want to try to get
one more in here.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you can't have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But look, I just had a ten minute I had
a ten minute conversation with Susan. I've had a five
minute conversation with you. I've explained the system to you
how it works. I know that you probably feel very
strongly about this back, and we'll have another conversation. But
when you throw a word like due process around, First
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of all, due process is not something that everybody gets.
It's like, uh, there's levels of due process. And if
you're a full pledged United States citizen, you got due
process under the Constitution. Okay. If you're here illegally, your
level of due process is quite different. Okay. And you
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need to understand that I'm not going to try to
tell you how to run your pharmacy or how to
how to dispense pharmaceuticals. And please understand that I'm not
trying to, you know, give you a hard time here,
but next time you call, we'll continue our conversation. Fair enough,
I got five people behind you, and I want to
try to get as many folks as I can. Hope
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this is your first time call.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I heard you were a Catholic and so Jesus, yeah, do.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Be a favored. Don't do that to me. Okay, don't
do that to me, because don't try to do that
to me. I am a Catholic. Okay, I went to
Catholic school for eight years. I understand my religion. I
you know, don't don't try to do that to me. Okay,
that's beneath you, Greg, even as a pharmacist. Have a
great night. Let me go to bill in Pennsylvania, Billia
next on Nightsier right ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Know anything I can say, Dan is a hooray for
President Trump. You know, when the Democrats had the House,
the Senate and the White House, they didn't do anything
about doing reforming the immigration and all that. And and
Trump is doing exactly what needs to be done. And
that call her from down there in Maryland Williams. That
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guy was smart, okay, and he was practical, and he
lives he lives where the rubber meets the road, and
the rest of these people I don't know where they
live at.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, there are a lot of people who are who
are big hearted people. I mean I it was like
Susan did agree with me that if someone was here illegally,
uh and they committed a crime, she at least conceded that, uh,
that they should be deported, which which I was very
(36:05):
appreciative of.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
But you know, Dan, Dan, let's get back to the
original thing. What is going on with the Catholic Church.
That's what I can't listen. They've made terrible mistakes over
the pedophile thing, and now they're starting to do they're
like getting they're losing control of did the bishops did
the bishops state yes?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well got Uh. There's statements of here's the thing Bill. Okay,
this is one Catholic priest at one parish. He doesn't
represent I mean the Catholic Church. I'm not here to
attack the Catholic Church. And by the way, I don't
want to equate this with pedophilia. Pedophilia were crimes. Uh.
This priest has a right to celebrate Christmas in whatever
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way he wants. I strongly disagree with it. Okay, I
guarantee you I've been a Catholic longer than this priest
has been a priest and probably longer than he's been
a Catholic. But I'm not going to attack him on
that level. I'm gonna say that Christmas is a time
when people should come together, people should feel welcomed. And
to politicize it, I mean, it would be like if
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all of a sudden they were putting aborted fetuses out
there instead of Jesus in the in the manger. I'd
be offended by that as well.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And I'm my grandfather and I got two little granddaughters,
dan if I took my granddaughters to see that Nativity
scene and the kids are looking at that. The first
thing that the first thing they're going to say to
me is sappy. Why is America doing that to these people?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, well, that's exactly what the priest wants to happen.
And he did get some publicity today and he's invited.
Maybe we'll get him to join us next week. Bill,
I'm flat up against it here. Normally I give you
much more time, and I'm looking at the eleven o'clock
news coming at me like a freight train. All right, thanks,
stay in the line. We'll get to Paul and Bob
and Andrew and got some lines open, join us
It's Night Side with Dan ray how in WBSY, Boston's
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome back. Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. Good to
know the Red Sox are wheeling and dealing as we
are moving too. Probably some of the coldest nights of
the year. Maybe this will be it for the really
cold weather. I don't know, but it's scary when you
hear it going down that woe that soon in the
winter season. I mean, it's technically still fall, although it's
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meteorological winter. So before we start this hour, I want
to talk about this Deadham church. You might have read
the story in the Globe today, will I will talk
about that. I do want to invite a few more charities.
We want to get at least eighteen or so charities
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who will join us on Tuesday night, December twenty third,
between ten and midnight. It's the final broadcast hour of
my final hour on the air this year. I'll be
back obviously after New Year's but we've done this now.
This will be our thirteenth year doing this. We've done
it twelve years. We've probably profiled at least a couple
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of one hundred, probably close maybe even a two hundred
and fifty charities over the years. We're going to do
it one more time and we invite anyone in my
audience who has a charity. It doesn't have to be
a big charity. It can be a small charity, it
doesn't matter. I ask you to just contact me. You
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can send me an email at Dan ray d A
n r EA at iHeartMedia dot com if that is.
If I'm being too quick, you can call Rob on
the regular line here and get my email pretty easy
to find, and just tell me the name of the charity.
We don't want recommendations. I don't want you to send
me an email and say you heard about a wonderful
(01:57):
charity and wherever, and we should contact them and get
them on the air. Nope, Nope, nope, nope nope. What
we want to do is have someone from the charity
who could be the spokesperson that night. We're talking about
a four minute interview, but it gives you an opportunity
to get the charity's name out in front of the public,
to talk about the mission of the charity, whatever that
mission might be. How you function, do you have events,
(02:22):
do you help, who the people who you help? And
what do you need to make your charity more effective.
Some charities are looking for money, which is understandable, and
some charities are more interested in volunteers. When you talk
about some of the Big Brothers Big Brothers, Big Sisters organization,
they need volunteers. So it's a great opportunity for you
(02:46):
to highlight the efforts that you're involved in and that
the charity is involved in. If you have someone who's
the president of the charity or the head of the
charity and they want to designate you as the spokesperson
on night Side on ever twenty third, that's great. If
the president or the head of the charity would prefer
to be the spokesperson that night, have them contact us.
(03:09):
We just don't want to end up spending time because
time is now running out of that hour glass of
what we call twenty twenty five. We have lots to
do and lots of accomplice between now and the end
of the year, and this is an important feature of Nightside.
We've done that now, as I say, it'll be the
thirteenth year, just as we do the college admissions panel
(03:30):
every year. We've done that for nineteen years, so I
think I've been clear. We've had a couple that have
joined us tonight. We don't have many spots left, so
please do not wait until like the twentieth or the
twenty first, because it will be filled up and you'll
be you'll be out in the cold, literally and figuratively. Okay, now,
(03:51):
let me talk about this story that I saw on
the Globe today, and I got to be honest with you,
I think it's inappropriate. It's as as someone who happens
to be a Catholic, I think I can I can
talk about this. I can talk about it if it's
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any religion. But according to the Globe story written by
Truman Deckerson, if you saw it in the paper today,
at Saint Susannah Catholic Church in Dedham, they apparently, and
it sounds to me as if not only the congregation
(04:33):
but also the priest who Marita contacted today, Father Stephen
Josoma Hope. I'm pronouncing his arrade his name correctly, they
have decided to replace the nativity figurines. They have a
Nativity scene I guess on the front on the church
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property on the law of the church, and they've taken
the figurines of the baby Jesus, the Blessed Mother, Mary
and Joseph, and they've removed those figures and left a
sign that said that says Ice was here. And of
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course the analogy that the Church is trying to create
in the minds of people is that if if Jesus
and Mary and Joseph were here, they would be treated
by Ice in a in a in a horrific way,
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in a horrific way. They are quoted as saying, a
couple of people saying, oh, everybody in the parish is
in full support of this. I doubt that. I doubt
that they talk about an expression from the US Conference
of Catholic Bishops in which they say, we're disturbed when
we see among our people a climate of fear and
(05:57):
anxiety around questions of profiling an immigration enforcement. The bishop
said in a special message, according to the article here
by Truman Dickerson of The Globe, we're saddened by the
state of contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants. Let
me correct the Conference of Bishops. If you are here illegally,
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you're not an immigrant. You were here in an illegal capacity.
Uh if if if someone wants to express and take
the position that we need to get rid of our
borders as they were in effect non existent during the
(06:39):
Biden years. Uh And the position of either the bishop,
the Conference of Bishops, or of this priest at Saint
Susannah in Denham is come one, come all, we will
we will handle everybody. And we don't have a right
to check on people. We don't have a wreck, We
don't have a to know who they are, why they're here.
(07:02):
That's insanity, that's insanity. That should the Church be good
to people, absolutely absolutely, but to basically ignore what is
happening in the world and the migration of people to
this country, the vast majority of whom are coming here
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for all the right reasons, but to basically accuse ice
of some the equivalent of a sin against humanity, because
that's really what they're saying. These people are human beings,
yes they are, or they are, but they are looking
for people who have overstayed their visas, who are not
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here legally, who we have no idea what their background is.
And we as a society, as the United States of America,
have a right to know who is coming into this country.
That's why we have customs when people come in. If
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someone's coming to visit the United States, and if they're
going to stay on a temporary basis, they have to
go through the process of requesting a visa. They can't
overstay the visa. And I don't think it helps anyone.
And if Father Hosts Joe Soma joined us tonight, he's
(08:32):
unavailable tonight, He's welcome to join us any night, any
night and talk about this. What you're essentially doing is
taking the religious holiday and trying to turn it into
a political statement. It's as simple as that Ice is
doing what they have been prescribed, they have been told
(08:55):
to do to keep the country safe. I don't know
if the charity, if you will that I'm sure of
Father Stephen Josama feels in his heart as the pastor
at Saint Saint Susanna, extends equally equally to the people
(09:19):
who have been victimized by people who are here illegally.
We have a drug epidemic in this country which is
taking thousands of lives every year. We as a society
and as a country, we can do nothing about it
and say, fine, you know people will mess around with
drugs and let's get let's open the borders and bring
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the drugs in, which is one of the ways, by
the way drugs are coming in with open borders. There
are people who have come here and have committed crimes.
There are people who have come here, have been given
CDL licenses, commercial drivers' licenses, and have caused major accidents
which have taken the lives of innocent Americans. There are
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people who have been victimized. There are Americans who kill Americans.
But we don't need more people killing Americans. And I
think that what the Trump administration is doing here needed
to be done. President Obama when he was president, actually
deported I think more people than even Donald Trump did.
(10:25):
Because at one point President Obama was called the chief
deporter or the deporter in chief. And it just seems
to me that Father Josama apparently has done this before.
This is not the first time. Back when Donald Trump
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was president in twenty sixty. Well, in twenty eighteen, the
church drew national attention with a Nativity scene that showed
Baby Jesus trapped in a cage. That also a protest
against the first Trump administration's policy of separating families at
the border. So I'm tired of it. The Catholic Church
(11:11):
has had a rough twenty years and I think that
they are beginning to turn the corner on the pedophile
priest scandal, which is which again was in the church.
It was a cancer within the church that there was
(11:33):
a cover up. And again I'm speaking of someone who
is a Catholic. I go to I try to go
to church every week. I'm certainly not the best Catholic,
but that's the church into which I was born and
which I was baptized, and h it just troubles me
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that people want to use the Catholic Church as a
politic cudgel here because these ICE agents are doing their job,
which is to eliminate people in the country, get them
out of the country who are a danger to this country.
So I'm going to open up phone lines. If you
agree with me, that would be great. If you disagree
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and want to argue that this display it's perfectly appropriate.
It's divisive. I mean, it's it's at the time of
year when you would like to think that we all
could agree, at the time of year that celebrate what
the Catholic Church believes, and other religions can celebrate what
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they believe without politicizing everything. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one, seven, nine, three, ten thirty will be
back right after these brief messages on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
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Speaker 2 (12:58):
All right, let's get rolland going to go to Sue
in Westwood. Susan, you are not in Denham, but you're
in the town next over. What do you think about
all of this?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Jan can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes? I can, Susan, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Awesome. Well, I'm a first time caller. I found your
show to be thoughtful, interesting, sometimes provocative, but this evening
I had to call in because your comment about ICE
doing what needs to be done, I was just so.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Struck by how.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Off the rails that seems to be.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Because tell me no, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
First of all, Susan, thanks for being first time called.
We're going to give you a rout of applause. And
I want to know why you feel that ICE trying
to get people out of the country who have come
here illegally, and particularly those who have come here and
have either recommitted crimes. The most dangerous is off the rails.
I'm all ears.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So the vast majority of the people that ICE is
picking up have not committed any crimes at all. They're
Laura abiding citizens. Although they may have been here illegally.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They can't. Well not to be picky, but you can't
be a law abiding citizen. You might be a Laura
abiding person, and I do think that, and I have
yet to see the statistics, Susan. I surely am not
going to challenge you on that, but I have yet
to see any statistics. I know that they have picked
up gang members. I know that for certain. I follow
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the Federal court, the criminal court in Boston very closely,
and if they have picked up people who are Laura
abiding people, I'm willing to look past them. I want
the bad people out because they represent a real danger
to your family and to my family. I'm not going
to interrupt you again, Garret ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Please respectfully, sir. They don't represent a danger to my
family or your family.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
The vast majority of.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
The people that I just picking up are law upon
people who have come to this country in search of
a better life. New York Times profile a gardener in
southern California who will raised three sons, all of which
have entered the military, and he was being deported until
the local citizens protested and worked hard. The gentleman had
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come to the country illegally but never got his legal
citizen's legal status, and with the help of his sons,
after being detained by Ice, they worked that out to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
The point is there, Well, I think that I think
what that shows is that Ice has been reasonable in
that case. Let me can I ask you, Let me
ask you a question if I could, do you feel
that as a country we have any right to have
borders or should we allow anybody to come into this country?
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And if that is a position that we're, you know,
human beings and we live in the world, that's a
that's a legitimate position. It's to me like you might
be willing to say, let's get rid of ICE and
let's get rid of any border patrol and allow people
to come and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
No, that's a shameful jump on your part. I didn't
say that at all.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I know you didn't. I asked, Susan, do me
a favored don't call me shameful number one. But because
I have an opinion and you have an opinion, and
we're trying to have a conversation, I wanted to know honestly,
because there are people who believe no country should have borders.
So you agree we should have borders. Should we stop
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people from coming in the country here who do not have,
you know, a legitimate purpose to come in.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The country, Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But let me ask you this. If people have been.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
In the country illegally, they entered illegally in twenty eleven,
or they entered illegally in twenty thirteen, and since those
years they've been working as vibrant members of the community.
Your gardener, your hairdresser, the members of your PTA. Those
people need to be kicked up by ice and deported.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's shameful.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well again, you can consider it shameful. I consider it
enforcing the law. Uh, And you know you can consider
it shameful. Do I think that the politicians could come
up with a compromise which could take into consideration. I
don't want to see people uh manhandled uh. I don't
want to see people treated poorly. But at the same time,
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if there are people who are here uh and have
lived a good life for a certain period of time,
whatever that certain period of time might be, I'm more
than willing to have a category here. But I want
as many, or put it better, I want every person
who is here illegally, who has committed a crime while
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they're here deported. I assume you would join me in.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That, can I ask you wouldn't?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I don't have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But what I'm trying to but Susan, Susan, Susan. So
it's a conversation. Susan, I asked you a question.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I'm trying to ask you.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I'm trying to answer.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I'm trying to answer.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
If you if you're a responsor to the question, great,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
You're trying I'm trying to make an answer. I'm trying
to answer you. So you're making a correlation between people
who are here illegally and people who have committed crimes.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I actually major.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
A lot of money that the correlation is not there.
That the people who have committed the vast majority of
people who are here illegally have been here from time,
are contributing members of society. They help grow our GDP,
they are members of your they're your neighbors.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, now you've you've made You've made the statement. I'm
going to resume the question, and that is if if
I'm willing to say to you, we could have some
sort of a system for people who have been here
for a certain period of time and have been good citizens.
I'm more than willing to be compromising about that. So
(19:06):
now I will ask the question of you again. If
someone is here illegally and they have committed a crime,
would you support they being deported for having been here
illegally and committed and having committed a crime. That's a
yes or no answer. Okay, fine, well that's good. So
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we have some We actually have some some areas of
agreement here, Susan, and I'm glad. Well that's that's exactly
the point. That's exactly the point. Now, if we were
negotiating this would have to figure out how long someone
has been here, what their circumstances are. I am not
happy when I see a high school student picked up,
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and as a matter of fact, I think the Trump
administration makes a huge mistake when they grab people who
were illegal. I saw someone tonight who was a US
citizen who was picked up and she was released. Okay,
I don't know why she was picked up. She apparently
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was driving the automobile of a colleague or a friend,
maybe a boyfriend who is here illegally, so she kind
of put herself in the crosshairs of ice. Look, I
thank you for your call, and I thank you for
engaging in a conversation, and I'm glad you called, and
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I hope that we have more conversations.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you very much for taking
the call. And I seriously cautioned the idea that all
illegal immigrants have broken the law, because some people seem
to say that with great blibness, and that is clearly
not the kid.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, if they're here illegally, they have by virtue of
being here illegally, broken the law, whether they overstate a
visa in here under you know, circumstances that we don't
know who they are. I would certainly want to know
everybody who is not here, who's a citizen, and then
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we can try to understand what what are they contributing,
how long have they been here, But that's going to
include law enforcement, and they probably ICE out there checking
on people. I mean, the alternative is to spend another
four years like the Biden administration and allow another fifteen
million people in the country illegally. That might grow the economy,
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but that might cause a lot of problems.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Well, it's through the economy, and it actually enabled the
Fed not to raise rates as high as they would
have needed to because the productivity of the GDP growth
with their tops.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
The other thing I had read was there was a
study on the immigrants that came to the United States
versus the immigrants that went to Europe. And because the
social programs that Europe offered for so much greater that
the people who came to the United States, we are
the most hardworking, industrious people as opposed to the people
who are looking for a handout, which are the people
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that tended to go to Europe.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So well, yeah, no, again, those are generalizations. I'd like
to look at the study on that, Susan. So again,
as long as we at least can agree that we
want to get the criminal illegals out of the country,
those who are here illegally and have committed crimes, we
have some areas of agreement, and I'm happy about that.
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Fair enough, thank you, have a nice night. Okay, we're
a little late in the news, but that call was
worth it. The only line open is six one, seven nine, three, one,
ten thirty. If you feel like Susan and you want
to support what Susan believes, that would be great. If
you disagree with Susan, yeah, that would be great as well.
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
Next up, let me go to William in Baltimore and
William welcome back. How are you sir?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Hey? How you doing Dan?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm doing fine talking to you buddy, all right?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Oh okay? Yeah, Dan, Look, I was listening to the
young lady and I totally disagree with her. I'm like you,
I belong to h a Christian a m me church
here in Baltimore, and uh a preacher. He went political right,
and uh, you know it's a black church. I'm a
black man. He was like, he was disappointed in black people,
black black men generally that are voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You know, I didn't think that was right. I didn't
say anything, but I I didn't think that was right.
But let me ask you this, Dan, you travel abroad,
I haven't when you go to different countries, which I've
talked to other people and they say, when you go
through customers, they ask you why you're there, right, and
how long you're gonna be there? Right?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You bet you visiting.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Right when they look at your passport. Yeah, so we
have this right here in the United States. And the
question that I would ask that young lady that when
you talk about the people that come here what I
call me legal aliens, a lot of people get mad
about it, but that's what they are. And they stay
here for ten, fifteen, twenty years, right, she said, they're
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working in all the fantastics. Well why don't they know
twenty years or ten years or fifteen years? Why don't
they apply for citizenship? Why do they stay here all
that time? They don't attempt to learn English, they don't
attempt to apply for citizenship. So, you know, like I
told you before, I have a niece that's an agent,
a federal agent, and she's black. You know, some of
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these radio stations here in baltim are always talking about
all the all the agents are white, and there's plenty
of them that are black too, you know. So of
course all I'm saying is yes, and this woman has
a master's degree. She's not no Rednet form you know, whatever,
they always try to cuse people are right.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So they like to justice. They liked to paint with
the rod brush, and and basically stereotype. And I don't
I've never believed in stereotypes, you know, but it's it's funny.
I mean, when people come to America, the first thing
they should do is learn the language. It's called the
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English language, but it's really learn American so that you
can you can you can work or whatever, whether you
come here illegally or or illegally. You got these CDL
licenses drivers who have caused multiple car crashes that have
killed American people, you know, doing a U turn on
an interstate, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Yeah, and these are like in Maryland. You know here
in Maryland that a person can be legal and get
a license here. You know, I was shot to find
that out.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
You know, they can in Maryland. Maryland is a very
liberal state, you know. Yep, this guy uh More, you know,
I didn't vote on them, but you know, I'm not
impressed with him at all. I think he got other aspirations.
But you know what I feel, you know, I have
feelings for the people that are here and everything that
that not committing crowns but they have committed the crown.
Like you said, once you come here, you can't go
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to Mexico. I guarantee you cannot go to Mexico and
stay over, stay all welcome. We'll wind up in a
Mexican jail or any South American country, right because they're
not going to allow you to do that. Man, you
just cannot do that. And uh, and they're gonna treat
you more hostilely than what they're being treated here. Right.
So I disagree with her on several levels. And I'm
not saying all of them are criminals, because I've worked
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with some of those people, man, But all I'm saying
is not my job to ask their status. But all
I'm saying is that they hear illegal and the people
come in and arrest them, and you know, hey, that's
that's just the way it goes, man. And uh, you know,
you can't defend that, man. And that's going for the
criminal or the non criminal, because I feel like, if
they've been here all these years, why haven't they applied
for citizenship? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You're simply saying common sense. Look, this guy that that
shot and killed the the woman, the twenty year old
woman who was in the West Virginia National Guard who's
controlling the streets of Washington. We brought him here because
we thought he was a good person. Well, obviously we
didn't vet him adequately enough, because you know, if all
of a sudden, someone comes here and maybe you know,
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they're a drinker, they smoke marijuana, or they're late for work,
you know, might not be a perfect citizen. But you know,
you know, but this guy drove across the country and
to kill innocent National Guard members. I wonder if, and
again Susan is not with us here, but I wonder
how much empathy Susan has in her heart for the
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family of this twenty year old woman. You know, they
will never see her again. They will never see her again.
And if this guy had been vetted, he actually was
brought here, I guess legally because the Biden administration said
they vetted him.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Well, right, that's what they said, right, So, and you
know what scares me too, then that Trump is gone,
right and they get a Democrat in there, they're gonna
they're gonna let these people aren't let again because everything
that Trump does they hate man, you know, And I'm
not gonna say that Trump is right on everything, because
he's not. But I'm just saying, you know, I agree
with him on most of his policies. I think that
(28:16):
he makes crazy statements too, But you.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Know, but he's his worst I think he's his own
worst enemy, William, and that uh, he he engages in
sort of gratuitous you know, calling a reporter, you know,
miss Peggy, little Peggy or something like that. Why would
you do that? Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
That's fastly.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, you we're on the same pays is always I'm
my favorite call more often if I don't talk to you,
have a great Christmas season.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Okay, oh yeah, married Christmas to YouTube, Dan n I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Talks, but we take a quick break here the only
line in six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
We'll get this role, and I promise coming back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Night Side, Dan Ray, Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Begin growing. You're going to go to Greg and Roslindale,
Greg next on Niksiger, Go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yes, Dan, I am calling because I've had the opportunity
to go down to the Mexican border in January and
cross through no Galas, Arizona to New Galas, Mexico. I'm
not sure if you're familiar with that area down there.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm familiar with southern Arizona. I've been to southern Arizona.
I have not been in Nicolas. What's your point?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
So the point is is that.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
There are illegal alien aliens or immigrants that are trying
to get into the country. But what is not they're
not getting due process and they're being treated many times
kind of like animal was like I have a uh
(30:04):
friend in Iowa that immigrants have to check in either
in Des Moines or see the rapids, and how are.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
They being treated? How are they being denied due process?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Greg So so you know, people have to report, you know,
on a regular basis, the people that are in immigration
trying to get in that have signed in.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yea, if someone I think what you're referring. I think
what you're referring to is if if someone goes to
a an entry point uh and requests asylum and and
are able to make a legitimate claim that they would
be in danger if they were forced to be returned
to their country UH and and we then accept them
(30:54):
for asylum claims. We have allowed people to views that
to be honest with you. But that's a way in
which people can come into the country legally, and then
as part of that process, they have to periodically report
because oftentimes the asylum cases are not heard for seven
or eight years because the system is so overwhelmed. But
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I don't see how anyone's being denied do process.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Well, you know, think of the if you've seen on
television people being arrested, you know, pacing the window, take
dragging them out of the car, and they they take
them to the local holding area and then they ship
them right off as far away as they can from
their lawyers, so they can't get due process. And these
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people have papers, many of them do.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I'm well, well, I.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Don't know how many. Again, you're you're, you're you're speaking
to me. Generally, I have seen individuals, because.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I'm talking about specific sidences that I am aware of.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, I'm about to tell you that I have seen
agents breaking windows. The agent has said roll down the window,
and the person might not understand the language, but they
they certainly understand that the agent wants to talk to them. Now,
if they're here legally, they should have nothing to worry about.
(32:26):
Now when the guy doesn't roll down the window. Greg,
What should the ice agent do? Say gee, I'm sorry
to have bothered you and walk away.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, number one.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
What would happen to you? Greg? Let me ask you this.
What would happen to you? Greg? If tonight you're driving
home and a Boston police officer stops you because you
know he had you had a light out or something
like that, and he said to you, roll down the window.
He said, nope, not rolling down the window. Roll down
the window. I need to see your license and registration.
(32:58):
I'm not rolling down the window. I'm a US citizen.
You can't bother me. What do you think that he's
going to do?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Good analogy?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Because you know, I'm an American, I was borned Americans.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So I'm going to roll down my window.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
But what But what I'm saying is if you didn't
roll down the window, what do you think he would do?
Do you think the police officer gonna say, Hey, no problem,
you go ahead. Not going to happen. There's no denial
of due process here, Greg, I had no idea.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Well what you're driving that there is?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
So what I'm saying about.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So you're a lawyer, where do you practice, Greg.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
I'm a retired pharmacist.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh well, in that case, then you must understand due process. Greg,
I appreciate the call. I want to try to get
one more in here.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you can't have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But look, I just had a ten minute I had
a ten minute conversation with Susan. I've had a five
minute conversation with you. I've explained the system to you
how it works. I know that you probably feel very
strongly about this back, and we'll have another conversation. But
when you throw a word like due process around, First
(34:05):
of all, due process is not something that everybody gets.
It's like, uh, there's levels of due process. And if
you're a full pledged United States citizen, you got due
process under the Constitution. Okay. If you're here illegally, your
level of due process is quite different. Okay. And you
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need to understand that I'm not going to try to
tell you how to run your pharmacy or how to
how to dispense pharmaceuticals. And please understand that I'm not
trying to, you know, give you a hard time here,
but next time you call, we'll continue our conversation. Fair enough,
I got five people behind you, and I want to
try to get as many folks as I can. Hope
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this is your first time call.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I heard you were a Catholic and so Jesus, yeah, do.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Be a favored. Don't do that to me. Okay, don't
do that to me, because don't try to do that
to me. I am a Catholic. Okay, I went to
Catholic school for eight years. I understand my religion. I
you know, don't don't try to do that to me. Okay,
that's beneath you, Greg, even as a pharmacist. Have a
great night. Let me go to bill in Pennsylvania, Billia
next on Nightsier right ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Know anything I can say, Dan is a hooray for
President Trump. You know, when the Democrats had the House,
the Senate and the White House, they didn't do anything
about doing reforming the immigration and all that. And and
Trump is doing exactly what needs to be done. And
that call her from down there in Maryland Williams. That
(35:35):
guy was smart, okay, and he was practical, and he
lives he lives where the rubber meets the road, and
the rest of these people I don't know where they
live at.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, there are a lot of people who are who
are big hearted people. I mean I it was like
Susan did agree with me that if someone was here illegally,
uh and they committed a crime, she at least conceded that, uh,
that they should be deported, which which I was very
(36:05):
appreciative of.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
But you know, Dan, Dan, let's get back to the
original thing. What is going on with the Catholic Church.
That's what I can't listen. They've made terrible mistakes over
the pedophile thing, and now they're starting to do they're
like getting they're losing control of did the bishops did
the bishops state yes?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well got Uh. There's statements of here's the thing Bill. Okay,
this is one Catholic priest at one parish. He doesn't
represent I mean the Catholic Church. I'm not here to
attack the Catholic Church. And by the way, I don't
want to equate this with pedophilia. Pedophilia were crimes. Uh.
This priest has a right to celebrate Christmas in whatever
(36:48):
way he wants. I strongly disagree with it. Okay, I
guarantee you I've been a Catholic longer than this priest
has been a priest and probably longer than he's been
a Catholic. But I'm not going to attack him on
that level. I'm gonna say that Christmas is a time
when people should come together, people should feel welcomed. And
to politicize it, I mean, it would be like if
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all of a sudden they were putting aborted fetuses out
there instead of Jesus in the in the manger. I'd
be offended by that as well.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And I'm my grandfather and I got two little granddaughters,
dan if I took my granddaughters to see that Nativity
scene and the kids are looking at that. The first
thing that the first thing they're going to say to
me is sappy. Why is America doing that to these people?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, well, that's exactly what the priest wants to happen.
And he did get some publicity today and he's invited.
Maybe we'll get him to join us next week. Bill,
I'm flat up against it here. Normally I give you
much more time, and I'm looking at the eleven o'clock
news coming at me like a freight train. All right, thanks,
stay in the line. We'll get to Paul and Bob
and Andrew and got some lines open, join us
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