December 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Saint Susanna's Parish in Dedham has put out their Christmas nativity scene this year with a sign in the manger that says, "ICE was here". The display has received mixed reactions from the community. The congregation supports the display saying, "This is a parish that’s very supportive of immigration." While those that take aim with the sign say the church is politicizing the nativity scene. Where do you come down on this display?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
Meet video.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's a little nippy. Dan Mawkins twenty degree is with
the wind. Let me tell you, make sure you get
those cabinets opening your house tonight so the pipes don't freeze,
that is for sure. We are talking about a Nativity
scene and a church in debnhim a Catholic church in
Denham with the pastor the priest out there who we
invited to be on the show tonight. He was not
able to join us, so we told him we'd left
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to have him next week. Father Stephen Josoma j osom
A basically has put out the traditional Christmas Nativity scene,
but has removed the three most important figures, the Jesus Baby, Jesus,
Mary and Joseph, with a sign reading Ice was here.
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So obviously it's mixing politics with Christmas, which offends me
as someone who looks at Christmas as a time of
her when we should all focus upon what happened two
thousand or so years ago and what the church teaches
that to mean. If you want to again, we're going
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to talk about immigration here. I think Ice is doing
what they have to do. I think ICE could could
be smarter about it and just go after those people
who are here illegally and have committed crimes. At the
same time, if you pick someone up and there's someone
else here here illegally, and particularly again if there's some
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kid who's fourteen years old, use your head, use your judgment. Okay,
that is just from a public relations point of view,
You're going to lose that argument. And I think the
Trump administration has over over anxious here. They're looking for numbers.
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I'm not looking for I'm looking for safety. And if
we can make our society safer by getting rid of
one hundred thousand criminals, fine, focus on that. In my opinion,
we had some interesting calls last hour, and I'd like
to get some more interesting calls this hour. Do you
agree that that a church. Look, if you have to
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be someone like me who happens to be Catholic and
as a parishioner at that church, I don't really want
to be lectured to about what is a political decision. Okay.
The I think that the the priest has said that
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his church has not been targeted by ICE. Well, that's good,
but there have been local reports, local reports. What we
call hearsay of immigration agents separating parents from their children
at school bus pickup stops. One of the ambissioners, Jesus,
was a refugee. He had to flee his native country.
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His parents took him because they were worried he'd be killed. Yeah,
if you really understand the story, the king at the
time was afraid that that someone had been born who
would challenge him, and he wanted all the children killed.
That's not what is going on in this country. We're
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essentially trying to correct eradicate in many cases the mistakes
of the bid administration six seven two thirty six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh. And they are demonizing.
They want to demonize Trump, which is fine, He's an
easy target, But don't demonize the ICE officers who put
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their lives in the line every day, just as the
National Guard troops who patrolled in Washington. How much empathy
is there. I wonder if Father Josama at Saint Susanna
Parish in Dedham and offered any special prayers for the
young twenty year old West Virginia National Guard member who
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was shot to death a week ago day before Thanksgiving. Actually,
let's go next to Bob is and Rain and Bob
you were next on Nightside. We're going to get it
rolling here, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Bob Adan. Yeah, I'd like to say a couple of
things you mentioned earlier, maybe somehow being able to categorize
these deportations somehow, And I think I agree with you.
I'm totally for getting rid of, as you just stated,
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the mistakes that were made during the Biden administration. But
on a personal level, I have a friend of mine
that's been here for like ten years. I don't really
know the particulars as to why he hasn't become a citizen,
but I do know he has three kids here that
our American citizens, and the thought of him being deported
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would would devastate me. This kid's like the nicest kid going.
And if I could go down anywhere tomorrow and vouch
for him and be his sponsor or whatever I needed
to do, I would do it in a happy But
as far as you know, again the mistakes made, I
think we should almost limit it to what went on
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during the Biden station because we know those people were unvetted,
and they were unvaccinated and everything else, and and and
we truly should go after the people that aided and
embedded this invasion, and I really wish people would not,
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you know, they want to muddle them up with immigrants,
and they're not immigrants, they are invaders. And I guess
that's all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, the situation you just posed is an interesting situation
because obviously the dad, I guess, maybe the mom too.
Is there a mom involved or.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
No, yes, yes, okay, I don't wonder.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, no, right, but is she here legally or was
she native born or you know.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I don't I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So okay, so, well, they came here. I don't know
when they came here. But I think you look at
each one of these cases and obviously if they're if
they had been Laura Biding, and if there are children
involved who are US citizens by virtues of the fact
that they were born here, we can't reverse that process
and they are citizens under the United States Constitution. I
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think you look at that and you say, Okay, what
can we do that will allow this person to earn
citizenship within a certain period of time. I mean, one
of the things they need to assimilate and all of that,
all of that. But there's also people who have come
over here can't speak the language, have gotten CDL licenses
are driving out of both the state of Washington and California,
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by the way, is where these CD licenses are generally given.
And I've seen videos where one guy's the video was
on the driver he decides to hit a U turn
on an interestate and as he's making the U turn,
he's looking out the window and a family apparently had
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come up over the rise, or they didn't see him,
maybe they weren't paying attention, but they literally drove under
the body of the vehicle and were killed. And there's
been more than one of those occasions that I'm aware of.
So their lives are taken away. The entire family is
adversely impacted. Nephews, you lose uncles and aunts, children lose parents.
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Where's our sympathy, where's our empathy of those American citizens.
I don't know that the priest out in Denham has
ever given a thought to what happens to those people.
There have been cases where people have been murdered, cold
blooded murder. We got to get the real bad guys
out of here, then we can deal with your friend
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and the situation that he finds himself in. Maybe he
needs to go back to his country for some period
of time, present himself at the US embassy, make an effort,
and then come back here illegally. There has to be
a rational, reasonable way we can deal with this, as
opposed to doing something as frivolous as putting a Nativity
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scene out there, taking the three major figures of the
Nativity scene, offending a Catholic like myself and others, and
put Ice was here. I mean, first of all, that
Nativity scene is from is theoretically from the year zero, Okay,
when when Jesus was born. That's that's when when you
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say b C, you know it's five hundred BC. The
calendar is based upon the birth of Christ. B C
means before Christ. AD means ano Domino in Latin, which is,
you know, the year, the year of the Lord. So
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we're in twenty twenty five Domino. Now, of course a
lot of people don't want you to realize that, but
that's that is how our calendar has been created. It's
pegged on his birth.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm sure you knew that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I hope you knew that I am.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I am a Catholic, so yes, I did it. I
went to a Catholic.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
School, good okay.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I have I have the bruises on my knuckles
to prove it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, yep. That was when corporal punishment was permitted. Hey Bob,
I gotta let you run here. Thank you, man, I
appreciate it very much. I hope you you have you
presented the case. That's a very sympathetic case. Okay. And
there has to be a way in which his case,
the case of that gentleman, can be resolved. If now,
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if he was, if he's a criminal and he has
three kids here, that presents an entirely different case. Maybe
you have to say to him, look, you're out of here.
We don't want you. You've got to make a decision
what you want to do with your offspring. I mean,
you know, if he wants to leave him here with guardians,
maybe that's fine, but he's got to go if he's
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if he says, committed crimes here, you know, serious crimes.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, yep, I agree, all right, Thanks for pop.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Tit you late, good night, all right. I got some
open lines here six one seven two thirty six one
seven nine three. No one could get through last hour
because the lines were really busy. Uh, if you want
to take me on this. We we we can make
progress here. Uh, and maybe we can set a tone
here that will allow people to celebrate Christmas as Christmas
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is supposed to be celebrated and not politicize it. I
think again, you know friends of mine who'll talk about
the separation of church and state. The whole question of
illegal immigration. Uh, that is a question that the country
decides with. There's no immigration going into North Korea. It's
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probably not a Christian country either. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty. Coming right
back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
All right, I hope we're not all done with this.
Let's go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you're next to nights.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I'm welcome, right, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Yeah,
it's real, real touchy situation, Dan, because like the one
caller mentioned, there's a lot of you know, I'd say
about ninety percent of the people that are in here
illegally are good people. I think about maybe ten percent
or have long criminal histories. What they do is they
hide among the other people. They hide among them, and
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that's where they live. Where the other people live and
when these ICE agents go in there, it's You're right,
the office could be a lot better, but uh, it's
just a tough situation for them.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, it's a very difficult situation for the ICE officers
because we've had now we've had shootings at ICE offices.
They're they're they're they're put in, uh, in extreme situations
where people try to take law into their own hands.
This is you know, it was funny you mentioned you said, well,
maybe ten percent of the illegals. Ninety percent of the
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illegals to hear are are hard working people. Uh, there's
about twenty million, so ten percent of that. I can
do the math pretty easily. That means you got about
two million criminals in the country.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You know what, I think it's even I think it's
more than that. I think there's about forty million here.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well whatever. You know, what I'm saying is it's a
significant number. And I have enough home grow own criminals.
We don't need more pedophiles, we don't need more rapists,
we don't need more murderers. We don't need more bank robbers.
We got plenty of Americans who will do that. And
I just firmly believe that when this Catholic church in
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Dedham decides to pull this publicity stunt, and I know
I'm giving them the publicity tonight that they probably want.
I kind of imagine being a member in that church
and feeling comfortable going into that church if I happen
to be someone who shared my beliefs and maybe your
beliefs towards immigration. I mean, there has to be a
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rational way for us to deal with this system. And
I think the administration would be wise if they said
we are going after the worst of the worst and identify,
tell us who's being arrested, tell us what the crime
that they are accused of. You don't see much of that,
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and and I don't know if that's a failure on
ICE's part. I know this I follow every day. I
get press releases from the US Attorney's office here in Boston,
and you'd be surprised the number of people who were
going through the US Attorney's office and being indicted for
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a variety of offenses. They were here illegally, and they'll
serve their time if they if they've pled guilty, uh,
and then they will be deported upon their release. And
it doesn't help when you have when you have politicians
here basically cheerleading on the side against ice, I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I think, I don't know if you said it, or
when you're a color Senate, it seems to me like
just like in Vietnam where they had body counts, I
think they're actually trying to import as many people as
they can. And I don't know oppose you said or
when you're a color send, but you know how many
of them people are or like you said, criminals.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, I would hope that everyone would be criminal, because
I want to get the worst of the worst out.
But at the same time, look if a mistake is made.
I saw this woman today. She was she did not
look like she was South American. She was a blonde
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haired woman, and I thought to myself, she looked more
like if she was going to be the legal immigrants,
she was from Sweden or Finland than she was from
South America or Central America or whatever. She apparently was
in a relationship with an illegal and she was driving
his car, which is why she got pulled over. And
once she proved she was an American citizen, she was released.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But and you know what do you call her? Mentioned
it earlier, and I agree with them on hundred percent.
You know, if the Democrats more likely I'll get an
office in twenty twenty eight, they were going to open
the doors were wide open.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Again.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I agree with them, just under what Trump did well.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I gotta be honest with you. I don't know
that they can do that, Paul, because I think that
they recognize the mistakes that they made. I think that
if the Republicans play their cards right, they'll haven't. They
will have a pretty good shot in twenty six and
twenty eight, but they have to play their cards right.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, I have no yeah, good. I have no sympathy
whatsoever on those people bringing drugs over they're getting blown up.
I have no cthy that whoever. You see the hundreds
of thousands of young men and eleven in our country
that died from fatanyl and things like that, I have
no sympty for those people. You know what the eight
hundred pound a grill in the room is. It's Mexico.
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It's not Venezuela. For as bad as they are, it's Mexico.
That's a narco, their estate. I think the cartels put
that woman in there. If they didn't, she's too afraid
to doth you about them.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, I don't know enough about that to either agree
or disagree.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But look thet I'm feel sorry for the people the
most because they're in a really bad situation.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, there are some some nice places in Mexico. I
have been to Mexico. I was hesitant to go. I've
been to Mexico, uh, to Cancun, and there's some there
are some nice places there. I gotta let you go
here because I'm up against my time.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I just want to issh you a merry Christmas and
happy New Year. Right. The worst thing I ever heard
that the worst thing that I ever heard happened at
a major was years ago in Pennsylvania. I forget where
it was. They had a major set up back in
the early eighties and some dirt bag life sheep, some
dirt bank cut the slash the sheep's throat. That was
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the worst thing I ever heard happened in the Majorsable.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Meryl, thank you much. Merry Christmas to you and yours
as well.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let me go next to Brian in Westwood. Brian, you're
the second caller from Westwood tonight. Welcome.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh are you?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I've talked to you before. Friends have dot from Metric.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, DoD is a great friend of mine
and a great friend of yours. What we had a
call in the last hour from from Westwood, who was
diametrically opposed to me on this issue.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I'm on your side, Dan, Father Josema at Saint Susannah's
solicited from his congregations donations for that manger, and my
mother donated the donkey in that major in the name
of my Irish immigrant grandmother. So very very highly offended
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by his actions. Staunch Catholic support the church, and just
very very highly offended. And I'll tell you something, Dan,
I had an illegal alien working in my house today.
Great guy, nice guy. He's self deporting on Monday. You know,
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he and his wife from Brazil and they have an
American daughter born three year old, born in this soil,
and I feel bad for him. He's a good person,
he's someone we want to keep in our country. But
you know, he cut the line, he broke the law.
He realizes it, and he's leaving before you know, before
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he you know, he's on TV.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I'll tell you I understand that instinct, and I
do hope. I do hope that if the Trump administration
is smart, and sometimes I really have my doubts about that.
What they should do is, if there are people who
have self deported, they should be given an opportunity to
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meet with the consuls in Brazil or wh wherever they're
self deported back to whatever their country of origin is
and give them a break in an opportunity. They might
have made a mistake, but they've done the right thing.
There would be an example where the Trump administration could
could use people as an example, a positive example, and say,
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this individual has self deported and we are now going
to expedite his application become a US citizen.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well, I let him know about you know, the thousand
dollars and they'll buy a ticket and everything else. And
then on the flip side, I said, you know something,
if you go to the American embassy down in Brazil
and come back and show you know that your daughter's
a citizen and this little three year old baby has
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a passport, maybe you're better off and going that route
than you know being in the government system as someone
that you know was here illegal and deported. No one
knows they were here illegally. If they show up in
the American embassy down in Brazil and present themselves, as
you know, as having an American child.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, but I think that's good advice. But I would
also consider it a badge of honor. Okay, we've all
made mistakes. I've made my share of mistakes. And if
this gentleman uh and his wife and the daughter presented
themselves and said, look, I self deported. And part of
the deal was that there was a promise that I
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might be able to get back there. And I think
that Trump administration should should activate that as soon as possible,
like yesterday. And when tell your friend when if you
see him before he goes that that based upon knowing
you and based upon your reference. I'll also provide a
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letter of reference for him if he if he would like.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Dan, I always enjoyed talking to you. We're always on
the same page. Thanks for bringing this subject up tonight,
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Thanks Brian, Thanks for ever. I hope we'll talk to
you before Christmas. But if I don't marry Christmas.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And happen New Year, okay, Yeah, thanks so much, Dan,
Thanks Brian, thank you, great show, Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Now very much, good night. Six one seven two five
four ten thirty one line there six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. We're actually coming up with some
ideas here tonight based upon what Brian suggested. Someone who
self deports, I think that might be a way to
reintroduce people who they say you never have a second
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chance to make a first impression. Well, maybe we should
be able to give people a second chance to make
a first impression and a first impression of self deporting,
making it easier and then getting back in line. I'm
I think that person should be expedited, get expedited process.
Call me crazy, That's what I think. We're coming back
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on night.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Side Side with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go
to will and Long Island. Hey, Will, haven't talked to
you in a bit, Welcome back. How are you sir?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I don't know why people can't look at this migrant
crisis objectively, literally from both sides. I think that there's
a lot of bad actors with bad motives. And I
grew up Catholic. I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Just in the.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Dallas area alone over twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four,
during the Biden administration, just Dallas Catholic Charities received one
hundred and eighty eight billion dollars one hundred and eighty
eight million dollars as opposed to the sixty four million
they received in the previous administration. That's threefold, okay. And
all the other NGOs. From twenty twenty one to twenty
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twenty two it went up from two billion to five
billion for migrant services. So it's costing us, you know,
with the Biden administration, between the Medicaid increases and the
NGOs that were getting money and the sheltering of the migrants,
it cost us billions upon billions of dollars, okay. And
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people are making money off this, not just to cover expenses,
but big bloated salaries and all times. So people's motivation
have to be in question here with why they're trying
to flood this country. Not so mentioned.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Also, by the way, if you go to Catholic Church
these days, the congregation in most cases is pretty old
and they the Catholic Church sadly lost a lot of
parishioners as a consequence of the pedophile priest situation. Friends
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of mine said, they just walked away. So most of
the illegals who are coming here, many of the illegals
who are coming here are Catholic over from South America.
Didn't realize it was that.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So in Colombia where I have property, the Catholic religion,
uh Christianity and total encompasses about ninety seven percent of
the population, and Catholicism is close to ninety percent of
that entire population.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And you're talking about yeah, you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
A filling those baskets, filling those pews.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Killing the pews. I mean, it's a it's an opportunity.
And believe me, I am sure that they are not
blind to that. But again we were not supposed to.
You know, all my my liberal friends talk well, where
you can't have a church and state mixing, Well, how
many tell you there's a lot of church and state
mixing don't go on during the COVID crisis and a
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lot of the charities received a lot of money. Now,
we spent money like a drunken sailors here in Massachusetts
on illegals because we're a sanctuary state. We don't call
do too. Here in New York, precisely. We had no big,
big contracts. We had a no bid contract out on
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Cape cod in which a company received the no bid
contract for six million dollars. And the way that worked
was they would pick up someone who was here a
migrant or whatever, you a traveler, a wanderer, a newcomer, illegal,
whatever you want to call them, when they got to
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the location, to pick them up, to transport them from
wherever they were staying for a doctor's appointment or whatever.
The meter started. The meter started at forty dollars. So
there were there were there were times when someone had
a ride of half a mile and and it was
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like forty two dollars. And this is all you know,
this is all public record up here.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now we have we have unscrupulous people that are taking
advantage of illegal immigrants in order to profit. Now, on
the flip side, you have an administration that made a
promise to get rid of illegal immigrants, and now they're
just pretty much not just grabbing criminal illegals, they're just
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grabbing people at this point. And I have to say,
I'm not a big fan of deporting people that we want.
I know that they broke the law coming in here, illegally. However,
Donald Trump and the Republicans had an opportunity to reach
a segment of the population that gave Donald Trump the presidency.
Because Latino votes were about forty percent of forty percent
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of Latino's vote for Donald Trump, he got one of
the largest Latino votes of any Republican in the history of.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He got more Latino votes than George Bush or Jeb
Bush and admit Rodney or any of them.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Absolutely, right, So this is this is an opportunity to
reach out and say, hey, what happened to the DOCA kids.
The Democrats taught about that when he was in office
in twenty sixteen. That's all we heard about. And then
when they had the House, the Senate, and the presidency,
we didn't hear a word about it. Right, they could
have done something about that. They never did. Because we
live in a country where wedge issues drive people to
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the polls. They can solve the immigration crisis. I know
a lot about it. I have a lot of family
that came here from other countries. I've been through the
process with my wife or mother and other people. I
know what it takes to become a citizen in this country.
They can solve the problem. But one side runs on,
there's stealing our jobs, build a wall and all of
a sudden nonsense, and the other side runs on, we're
a nation of immigrants. We have to let everybody in.
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Nobody actually wants to solve the problem, because if they
solve the problem, that's one less wedge to get you
to the polls.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's all about And if you listen tonight, we've talked
about that. The fella who was on before you, Brian,
he talked about a gentleman who he knows who's going
to self deport. I think he said next week. If
someone has the guts and the courage to self deport,
I think that they have every right to go to
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the head of the line. You know that shows a
tremendous amount of courage. But you know they have young kids.
They self deport and get them back here as quickly
as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Before I let you go, I just want to say
one thing to Republicans all across the isle, of which
I am not one per se, but right now I'm
forced into that tribe. You have an opportunity to reach
a community that is heavily believes in God, that works
really hard that believes in family values, all the things
that are represented by the Republican Party, all of their
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points that they try to reach the American people, you
have a segment of the population that fits perfectly into that.
For you not to get their votes forever at this point,
for you not to be able to reach out to
them and turn it around and get their votes forever,
Democrats will never win election again. If you wind up
getting seventy eighty percent of Latino vote, you actually have
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an opportunity to do that right now, and I think
the optics of what we're doing are not the right
thing that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Also the crime that is being committed by people who
are here illegally is being committed oftentimes against Latino citizens
and Latinos who have come here. I mean they you
knows why they voted from. Yeah, that's what they voted from.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I live in a neighborhood right next to a very
heavily uh Latino populated neighborhood. Okay, my wife, I speak Spanish.
My wife is from South America. My children and a
half Colombian. So I live in a neighborhood literally right
next to a couple of neighborhoods that are very heavily
Latino that you were hearing. These neighborhoods are where you
were hearing those Ms thirteen murders and all these murders
(30:48):
that were happening on Long Islands. My children, these Brentwood
and Bashore, these neighborhoods are the neighborhoods they were talking about, right,
And the people there, especially the Latino citizens that have
been through the process, they heavily vote for Trump because
they know that they waited online, they came in the
country properly, they paid it costs money to become a
(31:09):
citizen of the United States, and they waited a tremendous
amount of time even after they got their green card,
and they were upset. But now the optics of some
of the things that you're doing are turning even those
people off. We can't afford to lose those people because
if you do, Republicans will not win elections in any
districts in these blue states, and we'll be lucky to
win in the red states too. They're becoming purple because
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of this.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I think there's a.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Better way to go about this. Still be able to
make again if.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You've listened tonight. You heard listeners agree with me, and
you certainly have articulated it very well. Will I'm up
against my break here, so I got to take the break.
Thank you, buddy, call, keep keep calling ri Voice of
Reason as well. Thank you, my friend. Six one seven
two five four to ten thirty one one line there
and six one seven nine three one ten thirty. We
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will come right back on Night Side. You're on nights
Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
All right, let's keep rolling here as we head towards
the midnight hour. Let's see who's next here. And I said,
let me go to Nick in Sagas. Hey, Nick, welcome back.
How are you, sir, hiy Dan? How are you? I'm
(32:17):
doing fine? Nick.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I'll make this short. Everybody's fair. You've said it many times.
Illegal immigrants, illegal, I shouldn't be in period.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
No, I understand that, but I think, but I do think, Nick, Yeah,
I do think We've had a conversation tonight where there's
there's a lot of gradations here, a lot of shades
shades of gray, if you will, and you know, I
don't know if if you listened to Brian's call earlier,
this hour. But he was saying that a person who
he knows is a good guy. I came here illegally
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and now he's going to self deport He has three
kids going back to Brazil.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's the other fact that once they're here, they have families.
It drains the taxpayers.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, some some do, some don't. I mean some some
come here and I.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Saying all of them, but if they illegal, they should
not be here period. Let him do it. My mother's
I mean my father, who's just saying his mother and
father came from Sicily, came here. My father, father was
a fisherman, My mother's father came from Italy, and my
mother's mother was born in Boston. The three out of
(33:35):
the four did it legally. They got there, the statsed coming.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I got it, Yeah, that My my four beers did
very much the same thing. I had a set of
grandparents who came here from Ireland, and a set of
great grandparents obviously who I never met, who came here
from Ireland.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
And my parents come from the north end of the Boston. Oh,
my full grandparents. And I'm not on fire, and I
was born in Boston. My older brother and my younger
sists that we lived in the North Therk for a
couple of years before we moved to Sagas, and then
two other siblings are born. So uh, they did it legally,
(34:20):
and they worked hard, and they didn't make a lot
of money, but they did it the right way.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm with you. I'm with you on that, Nick. But
as they say, at this point, it's a little it's
very complicated, and I think that it needs a complicated
situation needs a complicated solution, and I think there's a
way to do it. As they say, if someone self deports,
they certainly have have shown some good faith. They made
a mistake, they came here illegally, they self deport. Okay,
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now maybe you can come back and become a US
citizen legally.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I gotta excuse me. I gotta let you run here.
I got to get to other calls. Thank you much,
appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, all right, talk to
you soon, Thanks so much. Six thirty. I can get
another one or two in if you'd like. In the meantime,
I'm going to talk with by the way, six one
seven two ten thirty or six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. You didn't get final word let me
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go to Dave in Wyoming. Are you living out in
Wyoming these days, Dave, or are you out to still visit?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Well, the ugly truth is that I misspoke to your
your screener. I forgot that.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I'd i'd i'd.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
I'm visiting Colorado now I just crossed the border a
couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Good for you, they did they check your papers? Only kidding?
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Well, let's hope not. But yeah, I want to express
my sympathy to Nick for the Stockholm syndrome that he's suffering.
You know, the idea that you know, because you've suffered
at the hands of the federal government and all the
money that they took out of your family just to
let them immigrate, that's not something to be to be
(36:00):
proud of or to thank the federal government for, or
to complain that other people didn't go through those ridiculous hoops.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, again, people need to know that Dave is one
of my libertarian listeners. I'm assuming that you don't believe
in borders. Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Well, I don't know. I mean, there's a border around
your property. I think that's one that can be believed in.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm talking about national borders. National borders don't be cute.
Answer my questions national boards, I.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Don't have a I don't have a strong opinion on that.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, how can you not have a strong opinion if
you're making the point, which I think is a legitimate
point that you said Nick's four bears had to pay
the price of admission. If you have borders, that's almost
going to necessitate a price of admission because someone's going
(36:56):
to have to staff those borders. Someone's gonna have to
pay the people who staff those borders. I'm just trying
to understand Libertarians like yourself tend to be very consistent.
I'm not asking an antagonistic question, It's a genuine general inquiry.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
Well, well, there's a flip side to the coin. The
people make immigration too complicated, and the answer is for
the government to do nothing. Don't interfere with people coming
and going, don't hand them, don't hand them, don't hand
them my money either, don't seize taxpayer dollars and send
it to these people through welfare.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right, So, therefore, you want the government to do nothing
in this situation, not to staff the borders and prevent
people from coming in. But when they come in, here
you want them to be solely on their own and
not be able to take anything, not give anything to
government or take anything from government. You know, again, you're
(37:51):
a consistent David's a consistent libertarian is very logical. Some
people might thought, might not think so, but I at
least believe you're consistent in your theories.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
There is a restaurant on the border between Belgium and Holland, uh,
and the restaurant is on both sides of the border.
No one cares. They all come and go. But in Derry,
I'm sorry, not dry.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
In New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
There's a town in northern Vermont where there's a library
that's on both sides of the border on part on,
part on Canada, part on the US, and that place
is surrounded by Homeland Security metal detectors. It's a police
state nightmare. So that's what you get when you try.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Told who told you that I actually interviewed. I think
it was the librarian from that particular building that does
straddle the US Canadian border or the Vermont Canadian border,
and she actually told us, and I don't think she
was miss misleading us. That it all works out has
(38:56):
worked out very well up there. People come and go
as they will, and they come in and they respect
the border. And they were able to walk in from
Canada and get into the US side, take out a book,
and they walk back out on the Canadian side. Uh,
there was there's no you know, it's news to me
and and and Sertainiam was news to her that ice
was up there in full force. But I don't want
(39:20):
to disabuse you of your notions here because I know
that would be very difficulty to do. Hey, I hate
to do this to you, but I'm flat out of
time here, my friend. I'm glad you got in. And
when are you getting back to New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Soon?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, Well, enjoy Colorado. There's a lot of freedom, O, Dave,
have a great night. He's a gentleman. We used to
have some pretty uh antagonistic calls, but no, he's a
he's a gentleman. All right, how much time you got here? Rob?
What is it? One minute? Okay? Let me wrap it
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's a little nippy. Dan Mawkins twenty degree is with
the wind. Let me tell you, make sure you get
those cabinets opening your house tonight so the pipes don't freeze,
that is for sure. We are talking about a Nativity
scene and a church in debnhim a Catholic church in
Denham with the pastor the priest out there who we
invited to be on the show tonight. He was not
able to join us, so we told him we'd left
(00:29):
to have him next week. Father Stephen Josoma j osom
A basically has put out the traditional Christmas Nativity scene,
but has removed the three most important figures, the Jesus Baby, Jesus,
Mary and Joseph, with a sign reading Ice was here.
(00:50):
So obviously it's mixing politics with Christmas, which offends me
as someone who looks at Christmas as a time of
her when we should all focus upon what happened two
thousand or so years ago and what the church teaches
that to mean. If you want to again, we're going
(01:14):
to talk about immigration here. I think Ice is doing
what they have to do. I think ICE could could
be smarter about it and just go after those people
who are here illegally and have committed crimes. At the
same time, if you pick someone up and there's someone
else here here illegally, and particularly again if there's some
(01:38):
kid who's fourteen years old, use your head, use your judgment. Okay,
that is just from a public relations point of view,
You're going to lose that argument. And I think the
Trump administration has over over anxious here. They're looking for numbers.
(01:59):
I'm not looking for I'm looking for safety. And if
we can make our society safer by getting rid of
one hundred thousand criminals, fine, focus on that. In my opinion,
we had some interesting calls last hour, and I'd like
to get some more interesting calls this hour. Do you
agree that that a church. Look, if you have to
(02:23):
be someone like me who happens to be Catholic and
as a parishioner at that church, I don't really want
to be lectured to about what is a political decision. Okay.
The I think that the the priest has said that
(02:43):
his church has not been targeted by ICE. Well, that's good,
but there have been local reports, local reports. What we
call hearsay of immigration agents separating parents from their children
at school bus pickup stops. One of the ambissioners, Jesus,
was a refugee. He had to flee his native country.
(03:04):
His parents took him because they were worried he'd be killed. Yeah,
if you really understand the story, the king at the
time was afraid that that someone had been born who
would challenge him, and he wanted all the children killed.
That's not what is going on in this country. We're
(03:26):
essentially trying to correct eradicate in many cases the mistakes
of the bid administration six seven two thirty six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh. And they are demonizing.
They want to demonize Trump, which is fine, He's an
easy target, But don't demonize the ICE officers who put
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their lives in the line every day, just as the
National Guard troops who patrolled in Washington. How much empathy
is there. I wonder if Father Josama at Saint Susanna
Parish in Dedham and offered any special prayers for the
young twenty year old West Virginia National Guard member who
(04:13):
was shot to death a week ago day before Thanksgiving. Actually,
let's go next to Bob is and Rain and Bob
you were next on Nightside. We're going to get it
rolling here, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Bob Adan. Yeah, I'd like to say a couple of
things you mentioned earlier, maybe somehow being able to categorize
these deportations somehow, And I think I agree with you.
I'm totally for getting rid of, as you just stated,
(04:45):
the mistakes that were made during the Biden administration. But
on a personal level, I have a friend of mine
that's been here for like ten years. I don't really
know the particulars as to why he hasn't become a citizen,
but I do know he has three kids here that
our American citizens, and the thought of him being deported
(05:09):
would would devastate me. This kid's like the nicest kid going.
And if I could go down anywhere tomorrow and vouch
for him and be his sponsor or whatever I needed
to do, I would do it in a happy But
as far as you know, again the mistakes made, I
think we should almost limit it to what went on
(05:31):
during the Biden station because we know those people were unvetted,
and they were unvaccinated and everything else, and and and
we truly should go after the people that aided and
embedded this invasion, and I really wish people would not,
(05:51):
you know, they want to muddle them up with immigrants,
and they're not immigrants, they are invaders. And I guess
that's all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, the situation you just posed is an interesting situation
because obviously the dad, I guess, maybe the mom too.
Is there a mom involved or.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
No, yes, yes, okay, I don't wonder.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, no, right, but is she here legally or was
she native born or you know.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I don't I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So okay, so, well, they came here. I don't know
when they came here. But I think you look at
each one of these cases and obviously if they're if
they had been Laura Biding, and if there are children
involved who are US citizens by virtues of the fact
that they were born here, we can't reverse that process
and they are citizens under the United States Constitution. I
(06:47):
think you look at that and you say, Okay, what
can we do that will allow this person to earn
citizenship within a certain period of time. I mean, one
of the things they need to assimilate and all of that,
all of that. But there's also people who have come
over here can't speak the language, have gotten CDL licenses
are driving out of both the state of Washington and California,
(07:10):
by the way, is where these CD licenses are generally given.
And I've seen videos where one guy's the video was
on the driver he decides to hit a U turn
on an interestate and as he's making the U turn,
he's looking out the window and a family apparently had
(07:31):
come up over the rise, or they didn't see him,
maybe they weren't paying attention, but they literally drove under
the body of the vehicle and were killed. And there's
been more than one of those occasions that I'm aware of.
So their lives are taken away. The entire family is
adversely impacted. Nephews, you lose uncles and aunts, children lose parents.
(07:58):
Where's our sympathy, where's our empathy of those American citizens.
I don't know that the priest out in Denham has
ever given a thought to what happens to those people.
There have been cases where people have been murdered, cold
blooded murder. We got to get the real bad guys
out of here, then we can deal with your friend
(08:18):
and the situation that he finds himself in. Maybe he
needs to go back to his country for some period
of time, present himself at the US embassy, make an effort,
and then come back here illegally. There has to be
a rational, reasonable way we can deal with this, as
opposed to doing something as frivolous as putting a Nativity
(08:41):
scene out there, taking the three major figures of the
Nativity scene, offending a Catholic like myself and others, and
put Ice was here. I mean, first of all, that
Nativity scene is from is theoretically from the year zero, Okay,
when when Jesus was born. That's that's when when you
(09:03):
say b C, you know it's five hundred BC. The
calendar is based upon the birth of Christ. B C
means before Christ. AD means ano Domino in Latin, which is,
you know, the year, the year of the Lord. So
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we're in twenty twenty five Domino. Now, of course a
lot of people don't want you to realize that, but
that's that is how our calendar has been created. It's
pegged on his birth.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm sure you knew that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I hope you knew that I am.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I am a Catholic, so yes, I did it. I
went to a Catholic.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
School, good okay.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I have I have the bruises on my knuckles
to prove it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, yep. That was when corporal punishment was permitted. Hey Bob,
I gotta let you run here. Thank you, man, I
appreciate it very much. I hope you you have you
presented the case. That's a very sympathetic case. Okay. And
there has to be a way in which his case,
the case of that gentleman, can be resolved. If now,
(10:10):
if he was, if he's a criminal and he has
three kids here, that presents an entirely different case. Maybe
you have to say to him, look, you're out of here.
We don't want you. You've got to make a decision
what you want to do with your offspring. I mean,
you know, if he wants to leave him here with guardians,
maybe that's fine, but he's got to go if he's
(10:32):
if he says, committed crimes here, you know, serious crimes.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, yep, I agree, all right, Thanks for pop.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Tit you late, good night, all right. I got some
open lines here six one seven two thirty six one
seven nine three. No one could get through last hour
because the lines were really busy. Uh, if you want
to take me on this. We we we can make
progress here. Uh, and maybe we can set a tone
here that will allow people to celebrate Christmas as Christmas
(11:00):
is supposed to be celebrated and not politicize it. I
think again, you know friends of mine who'll talk about
the separation of church and state. The whole question of
illegal immigration. Uh, that is a question that the country
decides with. There's no immigration going into North Korea. It's
(11:23):
probably not a Christian country either. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty. Coming right
back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
All right, I hope we're not all done with this.
Let's go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you're next to nights.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I'm welcome, right, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Yeah,
it's real, real touchy situation, Dan, because like the one
caller mentioned, there's a lot of you know, I'd say
about ninety percent of the people that are in here
illegally are good people. I think about maybe ten percent
or have long criminal histories. What they do is they
hide among the other people. They hide among them, and
(12:05):
that's where they live. Where the other people live and
when these ICE agents go in there, it's You're right,
the office could be a lot better, but uh, it's
just a tough situation for them.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, it's a very difficult situation for the ICE officers
because we've had now we've had shootings at ICE offices.
They're they're they're they're put in, uh, in extreme situations
where people try to take law into their own hands.
This is you know, it was funny you mentioned you said, well,
maybe ten percent of the illegals. Ninety percent of the
(12:38):
illegals to hear are are hard working people. Uh, there's
about twenty million, so ten percent of that. I can
do the math pretty easily. That means you got about
two million criminals in the country.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You know what, I think it's even I think it's
more than that. I think there's about forty million here.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well whatever. You know, what I'm saying is it's a
significant number. And I have enough home grow own criminals.
We don't need more pedophiles, we don't need more rapists,
we don't need more murderers. We don't need more bank robbers.
We got plenty of Americans who will do that. And
I just firmly believe that when this Catholic church in
(13:19):
Dedham decides to pull this publicity stunt, and I know
I'm giving them the publicity tonight that they probably want.
I kind of imagine being a member in that church
and feeling comfortable going into that church if I happen
to be someone who shared my beliefs and maybe your
beliefs towards immigration. I mean, there has to be a
(13:43):
rational way for us to deal with this system. And
I think the administration would be wise if they said
we are going after the worst of the worst and identify,
tell us who's being arrested, tell us what the crime
that they are accused of. You don't see much of that,
(14:05):
and and I don't know if that's a failure on
ICE's part. I know this I follow every day. I
get press releases from the US Attorney's office here in Boston,
and you'd be surprised the number of people who were
going through the US Attorney's office and being indicted for
(14:26):
a variety of offenses. They were here illegally, and they'll
serve their time if they if they've pled guilty, uh,
and then they will be deported upon their release. And
it doesn't help when you have when you have politicians
here basically cheerleading on the side against ice, I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I think, I don't know if you said it, or
when you're a color Senate, it seems to me like
just like in Vietnam where they had body counts, I
think they're actually trying to import as many people as
they can. And I don't know oppose you said or
when you're a color send, but you know how many
of them people are or like you said, criminals.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, I would hope that everyone would be criminal, because
I want to get the worst of the worst out.
But at the same time, look if a mistake is made.
I saw this woman today. She was she did not
look like she was South American. She was a blonde
(15:23):
haired woman, and I thought to myself, she looked more
like if she was going to be the legal immigrants,
she was from Sweden or Finland than she was from
South America or Central America or whatever. She apparently was
in a relationship with an illegal and she was driving
his car, which is why she got pulled over. And
once she proved she was an American citizen, she was released.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But and you know what do you call her? Mentioned
it earlier, and I agree with them on hundred percent.
You know, if the Democrats more likely I'll get an
office in twenty twenty eight, they were going to open
the doors were wide open.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Again.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I agree with them, just under what Trump did well.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I gotta be honest with you. I don't know
that they can do that, Paul, because I think that
they recognize the mistakes that they made. I think that
if the Republicans play their cards right, they'll haven't. They
will have a pretty good shot in twenty six and
twenty eight, but they have to play their cards right.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, I have no yeah, good. I have no sympathy
whatsoever on those people bringing drugs over they're getting blown up.
I have no cthy that whoever. You see the hundreds
of thousands of young men and eleven in our country
that died from fatanyl and things like that, I have
no sympty for those people. You know what the eight
hundred pound a grill in the room is. It's Mexico.
(16:42):
It's not Venezuela. For as bad as they are, it's Mexico.
That's a narco, their estate. I think the cartels put
that woman in there. If they didn't, she's too afraid
to doth you about them.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, I don't know enough about that to either agree
or disagree.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But look thet I'm feel sorry for the people the
most because they're in a really bad situation.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, there are some some nice places in Mexico. I
have been to Mexico. I was hesitant to go. I've
been to Mexico, uh, to Cancun, and there's some there
are some nice places there. I gotta let you go
here because I'm up against my time.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I just want to issh you a merry Christmas and
happy New Year. Right. The worst thing I ever heard
that the worst thing that I ever heard happened at
a major was years ago in Pennsylvania. I forget where
it was. They had a major set up back in
the early eighties and some dirt bag life sheep, some
dirt bank cut the slash the sheep's throat. That was
(17:39):
the worst thing I ever heard happened in the Majorsable.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Meryl, thank you much. Merry Christmas to you and yours
as well.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let me go next to Brian in Westwood. Brian, you're
the second caller from Westwood tonight. Welcome.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh are you?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I've talked to you before. Friends have dot from Metric.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, DoD is a great friend of mine
and a great friend of yours. What we had a
call in the last hour from from Westwood, who was
diametrically opposed to me on this issue.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I'm on your side, Dan, Father Josema at Saint Susannah's
solicited from his congregations donations for that manger, and my
mother donated the donkey in that major in the name
of my Irish immigrant grandmother. So very very highly offended
(18:38):
by his actions. Staunch Catholic support the church, and just
very very highly offended. And I'll tell you something, Dan,
I had an illegal alien working in my house today.
Great guy, nice guy. He's self deporting on Monday. You know,
(18:59):
he and his wife from Brazil and they have an
American daughter born three year old, born in this soil,
and I feel bad for him. He's a good person,
he's someone we want to keep in our country. But
you know, he cut the line, he broke the law.
He realizes it, and he's leaving before you know, before
(19:22):
he you know, he's on TV.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I'll tell you I understand that instinct, and I
do hope. I do hope that if the Trump administration
is smart, and sometimes I really have my doubts about that.
What they should do is, if there are people who
have self deported, they should be given an opportunity to
(19:50):
meet with the consuls in Brazil or wh wherever they're
self deported back to whatever their country of origin is
and give them a break in an opportunity. They might
have made a mistake, but they've done the right thing.
There would be an example where the Trump administration could
could use people as an example, a positive example, and say,
(20:12):
this individual has self deported and we are now going
to expedite his application become a US citizen.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well, I let him know about you know, the thousand
dollars and they'll buy a ticket and everything else. And
then on the flip side, I said, you know something,
if you go to the American embassy down in Brazil
and come back and show you know that your daughter's
a citizen and this little three year old baby has
(20:42):
a passport, maybe you're better off and going that route
than you know being in the government system as someone
that you know was here illegal and deported. No one
knows they were here illegally. If they show up in
the American embassy down in Brazil and present themselves, as
you know, as having an American child.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, but I think that's good advice. But I would
also consider it a badge of honor. Okay, we've all
made mistakes. I've made my share of mistakes. And if
this gentleman uh and his wife and the daughter presented
themselves and said, look, I self deported. And part of
the deal was that there was a promise that I
(21:24):
might be able to get back there. And I think
that Trump administration should should activate that as soon as possible,
like yesterday. And when tell your friend when if you
see him before he goes that that based upon knowing
you and based upon your reference. I'll also provide a
(21:45):
letter of reference for him if he if he would like.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Dan, I always enjoyed talking to you. We're always on
the same page. Thanks for bringing this subject up tonight,
my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Thanks Brian, Thanks for ever. I hope we'll talk to
you before Christmas. But if I don't marry Christmas.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And happen New Year, okay, Yeah, thanks so much, Dan,
Thanks Brian, thank you, great show, Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Now very much, good night. Six one seven two five
four ten thirty one line there six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. We're actually coming up with some
ideas here tonight based upon what Brian suggested. Someone who
self deports, I think that might be a way to
reintroduce people who they say you never have a second
(22:28):
chance to make a first impression. Well, maybe we should
be able to give people a second chance to make
a first impression and a first impression of self deporting,
making it easier and then getting back in line. I'm
I think that person should be expedited, get expedited process.
Call me crazy, That's what I think. We're coming back
(22:49):
on night.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Side Side with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go
to will and Long Island. Hey, Will, haven't talked to
you in a bit, Welcome back. How are you sir?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I don't know why people can't look at this migrant
crisis objectively, literally from both sides. I think that there's
a lot of bad actors with bad motives. And I
grew up Catholic. I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Just in the.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Dallas area alone over twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four,
during the Biden administration, just Dallas Catholic Charities received one
hundred and eighty eight billion dollars one hundred and eighty
eight million dollars as opposed to the sixty four million
they received in the previous administration. That's threefold, okay. And
all the other NGOs. From twenty twenty one to twenty
(23:52):
twenty two it went up from two billion to five
billion for migrant services. So it's costing us, you know,
with the Biden administration, between the Medicaid increases and the
NGOs that were getting money and the sheltering of the migrants,
it cost us billions upon billions of dollars, okay. And
(24:13):
people are making money off this, not just to cover expenses,
but big bloated salaries and all times. So people's motivation
have to be in question here with why they're trying
to flood this country. Not so mentioned.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Also, by the way, if you go to Catholic Church
these days, the congregation in most cases is pretty old
and they the Catholic Church sadly lost a lot of
parishioners as a consequence of the pedophile priest situation. Friends
(24:46):
of mine said, they just walked away. So most of
the illegals who are coming here, many of the illegals
who are coming here are Catholic over from South America.
Didn't realize it was that.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So in Colombia where I have property, the Catholic religion,
uh Christianity and total encompasses about ninety seven percent of
the population, and Catholicism is close to ninety percent of
that entire population.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And you're talking about yeah, you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
A filling those baskets, filling those pews.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Killing the pews. I mean, it's a it's an opportunity.
And believe me, I am sure that they are not
blind to that. But again we were not supposed to.
You know, all my my liberal friends talk well, where
you can't have a church and state mixing, Well, how
many tell you there's a lot of church and state
mixing don't go on during the COVID crisis and a
(25:47):
lot of the charities received a lot of money. Now,
we spent money like a drunken sailors here in Massachusetts
on illegals because we're a sanctuary state. We don't call
do too. Here in New York, precisely. We had no big,
big contracts. We had a no bid contract out on
(26:08):
Cape cod in which a company received the no bid
contract for six million dollars. And the way that worked
was they would pick up someone who was here a
migrant or whatever, you a traveler, a wanderer, a newcomer, illegal,
whatever you want to call them, when they got to
(26:28):
the location, to pick them up, to transport them from
wherever they were staying for a doctor's appointment or whatever.
The meter started. The meter started at forty dollars. So
there were there were there were times when someone had
a ride of half a mile and and it was
(26:49):
like forty two dollars. And this is all you know,
this is all public record up here.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now we have we have unscrupulous people that are taking
advantage of illegal immigrants in order to profit. Now, on
the flip side, you have an administration that made a
promise to get rid of illegal immigrants, and now they're
just pretty much not just grabbing criminal illegals, they're just
(27:16):
grabbing people at this point. And I have to say,
I'm not a big fan of deporting people that we want.
I know that they broke the law coming in here, illegally. However,
Donald Trump and the Republicans had an opportunity to reach
a segment of the population that gave Donald Trump the presidency.
Because Latino votes were about forty percent of forty percent
(27:37):
of Latino's vote for Donald Trump, he got one of
the largest Latino votes of any Republican in the history of.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
He got more Latino votes than George Bush or Jeb
Bush and admit Rodney or any of them.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Absolutely, right, So this is this is an opportunity to
reach out and say, hey, what happened to the DOCA kids.
The Democrats taught about that when he was in office
in twenty sixteen. That's all we heard about. And then
when they had the House, the Senate, and the presidency,
we didn't hear a word about it. Right, they could
have done something about that. They never did. Because we
live in a country where wedge issues drive people to
(28:13):
the polls. They can solve the immigration crisis. I know
a lot about it. I have a lot of family
that came here from other countries. I've been through the
process with my wife or mother and other people. I
know what it takes to become a citizen in this country.
They can solve the problem. But one side runs on,
there's stealing our jobs, build a wall and all of
a sudden nonsense, and the other side runs on, we're
a nation of immigrants. We have to let everybody in.
(28:34):
Nobody actually wants to solve the problem, because if they
solve the problem, that's one less wedge to get you
to the polls.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's all about And if you listen tonight, we've talked
about that. The fella who was on before you, Brian,
he talked about a gentleman who he knows who's going
to self deport. I think he said next week. If
someone has the guts and the courage to self deport,
I think that they have every right to go to
(29:01):
the head of the line. You know that shows a
tremendous amount of courage. But you know they have young kids.
They self deport and get them back here as quickly
as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Before I let you go, I just want to say
one thing to Republicans all across the isle, of which
I am not one per se, but right now I'm
forced into that tribe. You have an opportunity to reach
a community that is heavily believes in God, that works
really hard that believes in family values, all the things
that are represented by the Republican Party, all of their
(29:35):
points that they try to reach the American people, you
have a segment of the population that fits perfectly into that.
For you not to get their votes forever at this point,
for you not to be able to reach out to
them and turn it around and get their votes forever,
Democrats will never win election again. If you wind up
getting seventy eighty percent of Latino vote, you actually have
(29:56):
an opportunity to do that right now, and I think
the optics of what we're doing are not the right
thing that's right, and.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Also the crime that is being committed by people who
are here illegally is being committed oftentimes against Latino citizens
and Latinos who have come here. I mean they you
knows why they voted from. Yeah, that's what they voted from.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I live in a neighborhood right next to a very
heavily uh Latino populated neighborhood. Okay, my wife, I speak Spanish.
My wife is from South America. My children and a
half Colombian. So I live in a neighborhood literally right
next to a couple of neighborhoods that are very heavily
Latino that you were hearing. These neighborhoods are where you
were hearing those Ms thirteen murders and all these murders
(30:48):
that were happening on Long Islands. My children, these Brentwood
and Bashore, these neighborhoods are the neighborhoods they were talking about, right,
And the people there, especially the Latino citizens that have
been through the process, they heavily vote for Trump because
they know that they waited online, they came in the
country properly, they paid it costs money to become a
(31:09):
citizen of the United States, and they waited a tremendous
amount of time even after they got their green card,
and they were upset. But now the optics of some
of the things that you're doing are turning even those
people off. We can't afford to lose those people because
if you do, Republicans will not win elections in any
districts in these blue states, and we'll be lucky to
win in the red states too. They're becoming purple because
(31:30):
of this.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I think there's a.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Better way to go about this. Still be able to
make again if.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You've listened tonight. You heard listeners agree with me, and
you certainly have articulated it very well. Will I'm up
against my break here, so I got to take the break.
Thank you, buddy, call, keep keep calling ri Voice of
Reason as well. Thank you, my friend. Six one seven
two five four to ten thirty one one line there
and six one seven nine three one ten thirty. We
(31:56):
will come right back on Night Side. You're on nights
Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
All right, let's keep rolling here as we head towards
the midnight hour. Let's see who's next here. And I said,
let me go to Nick in Sagas. Hey, Nick, welcome back.
How are you, sir, hiy Dan? How are you? I'm
(32:17):
doing fine? Nick.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I'll make this short. Everybody's fair. You've said it many times.
Illegal immigrants, illegal, I shouldn't be in period.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
No, I understand that, but I think, but I do think, Nick, Yeah,
I do think We've had a conversation tonight where there's
there's a lot of gradations here, a lot of shades
shades of gray, if you will, and you know, I
don't know if if you listened to Brian's call earlier,
this hour. But he was saying that a person who
he knows is a good guy. I came here illegally
(32:55):
and now he's going to self deport He has three
kids going back to Brazil.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's the other fact that once they're here, they have families.
It drains the taxpayers.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, some some do, some don't. I mean some some
come here and I.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Saying all of them, but if they illegal, they should
not be here period. Let him do it. My mother's
I mean my father, who's just saying his mother and
father came from Sicily, came here. My father, father was
a fisherman, My mother's father came from Italy, and my
mother's mother was born in Boston. The three out of
(33:35):
the four did it legally. They got there, the statsed coming.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I got it, Yeah, that My my four beers did
very much the same thing. I had a set of
grandparents who came here from Ireland, and a set of
great grandparents obviously who I never met, who came here
from Ireland.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
And my parents come from the north end of the Boston. Oh,
my full grandparents. And I'm not on fire, and I
was born in Boston. My older brother and my younger
sists that we lived in the North Therk for a
couple of years before we moved to Sagas, and then
two other siblings are born. So uh, they did it legally,
(34:20):
and they worked hard, and they didn't make a lot
of money, but they did it the right way.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm with you. I'm with you on that, Nick. But
as they say, at this point, it's a little it's
very complicated, and I think that it needs a complicated
situation needs a complicated solution, and I think there's a
way to do it. As they say, if someone self deports,
they certainly have have shown some good faith. They made
a mistake, they came here illegally, they self deport. Okay,
(34:52):
now maybe you can come back and become a US
citizen legally.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I gotta excuse me. I gotta let you run here.
I got to get to other calls. Thank you much,
appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, all right, talk to
you soon, Thanks so much. Six thirty. I can get
another one or two in if you'd like. In the meantime,
I'm going to talk with by the way, six one
seven two ten thirty or six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. You didn't get final word let me
(35:17):
go to Dave in Wyoming. Are you living out in
Wyoming these days, Dave, or are you out to still visit?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Well, the ugly truth is that I misspoke to your
your screener. I forgot that.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I'd i'd i'd.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
I'm visiting Colorado now I just crossed the border a
couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Good for you, they did they check your papers? Only kidding?
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Well, let's hope not. But yeah, I want to express
my sympathy to Nick for the Stockholm syndrome that he's suffering.
You know, the idea that you know, because you've suffered
at the hands of the federal government and all the
money that they took out of your family just to
let them immigrate, that's not something to be to be
(36:00):
proud of or to thank the federal government for, or
to complain that other people didn't go through those ridiculous hoops.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, again, people need to know that Dave is one
of my libertarian listeners. I'm assuming that you don't believe
in borders. Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Well, I don't know. I mean, there's a border around
your property. I think that's one that can be believed in.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm talking about national borders. National borders don't be cute.
Answer my questions national boards, I.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Don't have a I don't have a strong opinion on that.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, how can you not have a strong opinion if
you're making the point, which I think is a legitimate
point that you said Nick's four bears had to pay
the price of admission. If you have borders, that's almost
going to necessitate a price of admission because someone's going
(36:56):
to have to staff those borders. Someone's gonna have to
pay the people who staff those borders. I'm just trying
to understand Libertarians like yourself tend to be very consistent.
I'm not asking an antagonistic question, It's a genuine general inquiry.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
Well, well, there's a flip side to the coin. The
people make immigration too complicated, and the answer is for
the government to do nothing. Don't interfere with people coming
and going, don't hand them, don't hand them, don't hand
them my money either, don't seize taxpayer dollars and send
it to these people through welfare.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right, So, therefore, you want the government to do nothing
in this situation, not to staff the borders and prevent
people from coming in. But when they come in, here
you want them to be solely on their own and
not be able to take anything, not give anything to
government or take anything from government. You know, again, you're
(37:51):
a consistent David's a consistent libertarian is very logical. Some
people might thought, might not think so, but I at
least believe you're consistent in your theories.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
There is a restaurant on the border between Belgium and Holland, uh,
and the restaurant is on both sides of the border.
No one cares. They all come and go. But in Derry,
I'm sorry, not dry.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
In New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
There's a town in northern Vermont where there's a library
that's on both sides of the border on part on,
part on Canada, part on the US, and that place
is surrounded by Homeland Security metal detectors. It's a police
state nightmare. So that's what you get when you try.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Told who told you that I actually interviewed. I think
it was the librarian from that particular building that does
straddle the US Canadian border or the Vermont Canadian border,
and she actually told us, and I don't think she
was miss misleading us. That it all works out has
(38:56):
worked out very well up there. People come and go
as they will, and they come in and they respect
the border. And they were able to walk in from
Canada and get into the US side, take out a book,
and they walk back out on the Canadian side. Uh,
there was there's no you know, it's news to me
and and and Sertainiam was news to her that ice
was up there in full force. But I don't want
(39:20):
to disabuse you of your notions here because I know
that would be very difficulty to do. Hey, I hate
to do this to you, but I'm flat out of
time here, my friend. I'm glad you got in. And
when are you getting back to New Hampshire.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Soon?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, Well, enjoy Colorado. There's a lot of freedom, O, Dave,
have a great night. He's a gentleman. We used to
have some pretty uh antagonistic calls, but no, he's a
he's a gentleman. All right, how much time you got here? Rob?
What is it? One minute? Okay? Let me wrap it
up by again inviting those of you who are associated
with a legitimate charity, UH prefer to be five one three,
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But if not, if it's we're very liberal in terms
of who we allow in. We have a few open
slots for our Nightside Charity Combine, which will occur on
Tuesday night, December twenty third, my last show of the year,
last two hours of my broadcast year. Feel free just
send me an email, Dan Ray DA n r EA
(40:23):
at iHeartMedia dot com and we will get you in.
It's as simple as that. It's a great opportunity to
showcase the charity that you're involved with. Tell us what
the mission is, what help you need, volunteers, money or whatever,
and we'll try to help you out. Simple as that.
I'm done for the night. I will remind you, as
I always do, that all dogs, all cats, and all
pets go to heaven, because I know that's what Mike
(40:44):
Pell Charlie Ray is, who passed fifteen years ago in February.
That's where all your pets are. They loved you and
you love them. I do believe you'll see them again.
Please stay warm, Stay warm tomorrow. Rob Brooks, thank you
very much, Maria, thank you very much. I will be
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