October 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Last weekend there were several illegal street takeovers that played out across Massachusetts including one in Boston, Randolph, Middleborough, Fall River, and Brockton. This growing nationwide trend of a “street takeover” is a meetup of people and cars that block off a street or streets to race or perform stunts and generate noise. Gov. Maura Healey addressed the trend Wednesday saying she’s committed to doing everything she can to get after the issue and pledged to punish anyone caught engaging in an illegal car meetup.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night Side with Dan Raybs.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We're talking about tonight. Are two really ugly incidents that
took place in Boston in the last seventy two hours.
I guess let's go back to Sunday morning, when you
had this car meet up and you had hundreds of
well at least one hundred people who were there. A
police car was set on fire or caught fire. There
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were some people who were arrested on that. There were
two kids from Rhode Island nineteen and twenty I think
were their ages. Last night was even more organized, and
the car meetup is horrible. But I think that this
stuff with the National Students for Justice in Palestine, they
are looking for a fight, and they were looking for
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a fight last night with Boston police. So they showed
up and well it was a brawl. It was just
a brawl. Now, the police have an obligation to make
sure that people can get in and out of Boston.
As my understanding was, there was an ambulance that was
trying to get through the situation and the demonstrators refuse
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to let the ambulance buy. We've seen that before when
they blocked ninety three. And think you'll see more of that.
I'm telling you this is going to get worse before
it gets better, in my opinion. So just to give
you a little sense of what it sounded like. We
can't show you, but we can give you a little
bit of a sense of it. This is cut number thirty.
(01:34):
This is video of protesters on Boston Common as they
start attacking police and throwing smoke bombs at the cops.
I mean, think about it. I mean that's this is
not people who are being pushed around by police. This
is people who are trying to push around police. Cut
thirty of up. Yeah, they got their chance down and
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here's one where they are. You'll be able to hear
this one a little bit more clearly. It's thirty a
Boston protesters chanting BPD for Boston Police Department KKK all
the same. They really believe this. By the way, they
must historically not know how bad the KKK was, But
this has got thirty a rub. So that's what it
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was like in Boston last night around nine thirty. Thirteen
of these young's were arrested. And I hope they filled
a book at them because they came out for a fight.
They were there looking for a fight. And the Boston
Police Department, outnumbered, gave it to them. This is frightening
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in my opinion, because look, these were people who were
who were demonstrating on behalf of Hamas. That's what the
Students for Justice in Palatine in Palestine believe. They have
been demonstrating ever since the October seventh attack in twenty
twenty three. Let me get to phone calls here. If
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you're not outraged by this, I don't think he got
a pulse. Let me go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie,
welcome back your thoughts on either of these demonstrations here
in Boston in the last couple of nights.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Hey, how are we going, Dan? Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I just like to say I don't have to
be your best caller. I don't have to be your
worst caller. I just call the show because they enjoy
your point of view and your listener's point of view,
and I enjoy giving my point of view. I didn't
enjoy getting information from different people and tear a different
points of view, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
And to be quite honest with you, I find that
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you support most of Trump's things more than your detract
from them. And and I'm kind of the same as
you was. You know, Meg Lincoln said at once, stand
with somebody when they're right, and pop when when they
when they're work.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. The problem, the problem I have with Trump is stylistically.
You know, I was kind of my my great president,
greatest president was Ronald Reagan. But this fella from Abington
who calls every six months or so, uh, you know,
never in doubt, but often mistaken. That's that's how I
describe Jeff. He he makes assumptions which you're just dead wrong,
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and that's fine. One wants to attack me. I'm a
tough guy. I can take it, trust me. Uh And
actually I'm I'm surprised that I don't get more criticism.
There are some you know, there are some people out
there who if you're not with Trump on everything, you're
you're some sort of I don't know, you know. I mean,
the loyalty to Trump is astonishing, is astonishing. And as
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I say, I will give Trump all the credit that
is due on things that he deserves credit for, and
I'll criticize him on things, uh that I want to
criticize him for. That's that's my job, that's that's my personality.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Absolutely, and I feel the same way. He's just so braggadaci,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But yeah, yeah, Well, as I say, Jeff, Jeff has
drunk about like five gallons of the kool aid, So
that's fine. Yeah, I don't bring anyone's kool aid. So
what's your thought of this? I mean, I see this.
I see this as something that is starting to percolate back.
It reminds me of Occupy Wall Street and all of
those demonstrations back in the day. This could get real
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nasty really quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And I feel the same way. You know, I think
I said it on your show before turn Occupy Wall Street.
You know, I was too busy making a living and
working and trying to support my family to go sit
on the Rose Kennedy Greenway and smoke marijuana cigarettes and
like say how bad society was. But that's neither handle.
There the reason, one of the reasons I call was, yeah,
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it is going to get worse before it gets better.
You can see it. And here's the thing, right now,
let's face it there, nobody wants to admit it. The
Boston police are overwhelmed. They truly are everybody hates. Everybody
has this light disdain for everything. They don't even know
what they hate anymore. They just want to fight to fight,
because you know what, if you're all making an honest living,
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and I'm not putting people down, I get it. Students
that protest, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when
you have way too many much energy because you're not
doing anything else, it's just you're looking for trouble. And
they found in the trouble they were looking for. They
didn't come out to peacefully protest, they came out to
you said. It was a night of rage, a week
of rage.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And here all the other thing too is if you
do a little investigation on this group, Students for Justice
in Palestine, they're getting big money from somewhere. They are
getting big with bucks from somewhere because you get all
these kids out there, and first, first of all, most
of them, if they're twenty or twenty one or twenty two,
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they should be you know, having a good time or
whatever they're doing. But no, there they're committed to a
clause that they don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They don't even understand absolutely absolutely, And if you say,
you know what, and I agree with you one hundred percent.
And that's what I'm saying. Maybe we're so overwhelmed, maybe
it is time for them past, but federal help or
who knows that. I mean, if this keeps going at
this rate, there you're going it to the holiday season.
I remember being a kid, my mother taking me to
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Toura Marsh and then we will go to Chinatown to
get something to negot what you're gotta worry about taking
your children from Parkston one of that absolutely to be
one of the premier cities in the world of holiday festivities.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
As I say, you could you you could have walked
up out of Park Street station on the tee uh
and found yourself in the middle of that madness. Or
you could have walked out of the underground parking garage
if you chose to drive in and you were going
to go to a restaurant or some event, and all
of a sudden you have no idea what the hell's
going on? And that this sadly, I think it will
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get worse before it gets better. So I'm glad to
hear Healey comment today. She should comment if she's smart
and there's a little politics involved there. The Republicans are
starting to make a little traction with her, So we'll
see how that goes. She's up for reelection a year
for now.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, no, and she didn't know what, Like you said,
I give her all the credit in the world, but
you know, oh, how much of it is to say
we got control of our old situation before President Trump says,
maybe you don't have control, and it would be a
It's always a sad state of affairs to see the
federal government have to intervene on state to states, and
(09:16):
I don't advocate that, well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The federal government exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Maybe you see one of the safest cities in the world, Well.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The federal government went into some of the southern states,
Arkansas and Alabama specifically when black kids were not being
allowed to integrate public school systems. That's clearly a constitutional issue.
The issue that Trump is trying to make is that
there are federal buildings and also you know, federal agents
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who need protection for them to do their job. And
we'll see how that is adjudicated in the court system.
I don't think that he's necessarily going to lose all
those cases in my opinion. I mean, Chicago is a
killing field. I don't think Pritzker or Johnson Kira about
the young kids in the South Side of Chicago who
killed every weekend. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's a lot of real quick there. Does Mala Haley
mayor Wu care about the residents of the South End
they might to have a peaceful life or a good
quality of life, because she really can't well when I
will only.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Say this, when you hear the stories from people in
the South End about drug addicts breaking into their homes,
and in one case there was a woman who said
that some guy was a drug addict one of the
residents of mass and cast was defecating in her living room. Okay,
I mean, I don't know how I guess any more
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bizarre than that. Uh, And yet the South End voted
for Mayor Wu. So I guess maybe the people in
the South End were happy with Mayor Woo after all,
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, all right, thank you, Bernie,
talk soon night, Thank you too. Let's keep rolling here.
Six point seven two, five ten thirty or six seven nine.
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I think that there's a lot of students around here.
We had a lot of demonstrations on campuses Harvard, MIT
and elsewhere. You could easily see these demonstrations becoming bigger
and more difficult for the police, UH in Boston and
also elsewhere. So they the the thing is that this
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Students for for Justice in Palestine, which is nothing more
than a front for Hamas. UH. They can pick the
time and place of where they want to raise hell
and it's a different police department maybe at a different time.
It's it's going to be a problem. Join the conversation.
Be right back on night side.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It's nice eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
By the way, I'm reading from the Anti Defamation League, UH,
and they describe the Students for Justice Polton in Palestine.
SJP refers to a network of anti Zionist student groups
on university campuses across the US. SJP is also used
as shorthand for National sjpor JP, the National Students for
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Justice in Palestine, which is led by a steering committee
individual SJP chapters in National SJP have justified, Indo glorified,
have justified, Indo glorified the Hamas led October seventh attack
on Israel. They were also a central organizer of the
twenty twenty four student encampments across US universities and colleges.
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So that's what we're talking about here, okay. SJP and
many SJP chapters have called for Zionists, those who believe
in the Jewish people's right to self determination and their
ancestral homeland and have connections to Israel to be removed
from campus spaces or from universities altogether. Some SJP options
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have called the Ban Hellal the premier Jewish group student
group in the US and Shabbad, and some activists are
going so far as to call for harassing and intimidating
Zionist and vandalizing Zionist institutions. Bad people, bad people, without
a doubt, without a doubt. And they have an agenda.
It's the same agenda that you see now in Portland
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and other cities around the country. It's as simple, it's
as simple as that. And they they they're at the
tip of the sphere. They're at the tip of the spear.
Let's go, We're going to go next to Jim in
Kansas City. Jim, welcome you next on nights. I've been
a while since I heard from you. Jim. How are
you tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Hi Dan, I'm happy, Thank you? How are you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Good, doing great? What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Oh, I'm sorry to hear about your voice, but I
hopefully recovers.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh, it always has, It always has, Jim. But I
don't like to take sick days. Okay, So I'll bet
I'm on the road to recovery. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So anyway, the fights you're talking about sound like they're
about to be test cases to see whether or not
heally supports the police. And that's why she's pretending that
she will support them. And I always thought that assault
on a police officer was like super duper number one
thing you don't ever want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh, absolutely, no question.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I don't I think that's a that is a
I mean, as far as I know, that's like a
special currently like a not a section of law, but
it's a special like set aside crime.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think, yeah, what's it would called? It would be
enhanced So if someone, uh, you know, committed assault and
battery against you or me, that's one thing. But when
you start to commit assault and battery against the police officer,
that's quite a different thing. And it is it calls
for enhanced penalties. And again I'm sure that they are
state law in every state dealing with that. So there's
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no question about that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So I don't know who's drawing out who, but drawing
out the enemy is a war tactic. So it sounds
like there's there's a war in a lot of these
cities where they're either the police are trying to draw
out these protesters or the protesters are drawing out the police,
or or both.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
No, the police don't want the protesters. That only causes
uh mayhem. Police have enough enough to deal with just crime.
They're not drawing up.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That's a that's a that's a war tactic. They're not that.
It's not a that's not just like a protest. That's
that's more than a protest.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I understand. But the protesters make it very clear what
they were doing. They called it a week of rage.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's not just that's not a protest, it's there.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
They're und I do understand your point. They call it
a week of rage.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And okay, with with these with these uh slide slideshow
as they call them. You can't use horses because the
horses could get hurt. But they have special weapon, non
lethal weaponry. Some of it is called slime, and you
put it on the street. And once you get that
stuff on the street, cars are going nowhere. And then
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they also have a gel that I don't know how
it works, but somehow or another, if they get it
anywhere near the gas tank, it'll turn the fuel to
a gel. And then they also have.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I haven't heard of that one, but you know, you
may know more about it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It was developed a few years ago raytheon. But then
there's also these little things. It's like like silly putty,
but it has a tracker in it, and they if
they hit it on the car, it'll it'll stick to
the car and then they can follow the car wherever
it goes. So I mean, I don't know if they
have that stuff or not. Imagine they do. If they
don't have it, they should get it and they should
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use that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, well, all sorts of good information, Jim. You always
have a font of information, and some of that I
totally understand. Uh. And and they want to be They
also of course now have drones. But these people were
all on foot. There were there was no there were
no vehicles involved in this. They were all on foot, uh.
And they wanted to do battle with the police, and
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and they all were wearing masks, or virtually all of
them were wearing masks, and they're taking cheap shots at
police officers because they just you know, they've either been
brought up or they have drank the kool aid and
they feel police officers are horrific people.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
If that's the case, I mean, if you know, I
don't know. They may they may be like special special
on drugs or something. But if a cop comes up
to you on a horseback, it's whack. It starts whack.
I mean. I was in some protests for the first
Gulf War, and as long as you were just protests
and you were fine. But as soon as you started
spray painting or anything like that, they had tops on
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horseback and when the guys hit you with them batons,
you were going down. You are, I mean, you're not
gonna just it's not just gonna hurt. It knocks you down.
It's like getting hit with a baseball bat. So I
don't know whether there's soft I don't know whether it's
soft pitching them, but they are.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I cover. I covered a lot of demonstrations, so I
have seen some of that. The police can be very effective,
and of course then you have the a c l
U the same wards you have to hit the kid. Yeah,
it's like anyway, whatever, Jim, great, great, dear your voice.
I'm up coming up on a CBS special report on.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You gotta get that going, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Too soon, have a good one, Okay. So tonight this
word out of the Middle East late today that there's
some progress and potentially a prisoner exchange between Israel and
a moss which would be the first step on the
road to piece. Here's the CBS News.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thank you, Dan Walking. A little breaking sports news from
New York City. The Yankees lost to the Blue Jays tonight,
five to two, and that puts the Blue Jays in
the American League Championship Series, probably against Seattle. But the
Yankees are done. They beat the Red Sox and the
Blue Jays beat the Yankees. So this is Governor Healey
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today talking about zero tolerance in this state for people
who come in and do these so called meetups. Real quickly, Rob,
let's just play cut thirty five so people can hear
the governor today.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I'm taking action.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I've directed the colonel of my state police, Colonel Noble
to make sure that MSP resources are used to work
with local police departments to identify, apprehend, and punish offenders.
There is a lot of work that needs to be
done online, and we have monitoring through the Fusion Center
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and other resources. But I just want to be really
clear that we we have zero tolerance for this in
the state. Some of the perpetrators are from Massachusetts. Other
perpetrators are coming into Massachusetts. But whether you're in Massachusetts
or you think about coming to Massachusetts, you are not
welcome to engage in that conduct at any time, in
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any place anywhere in this state.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And the type of activity she's referred to these so
called car meetups where they designate an intersection, everybody arrives
and they blocked the intersection off. And again I didn't
hear the governor today speak and maybe she did, but
I didn't hear her speak about the riot in Boston
last night with the pro Palestinian really the pro Hamas
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demonstrators from Students for Justice and Palts and Palestine. Let's
get back to the calls. I want to get as
many folks in. The only line that is available right
now is six one, seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
If you disagree, feel free. I lean this in Waltham.
I lean you next one, Knightsaker, right ahead, I know, Hi, Eileen, welcome.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Thank you. This is a terrific follow up to your
program last night. By the way, thank you, congratulations. I
think it's even more than.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
What we realize.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't doubt you, say.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Zoron Madani started the organization Students for Justice for Palestine
at Bolden College, where he was there in two ten,
two eleven to twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I didn't realize that. Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, I think this has been going on for a
lot longer than we realized, and they really do support terrorists.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
They well, they have no concern, they have no concern
at all for the innocent Israeli Jewish men, women and
children who were slaughtered, in many cases slaughtered in their
beds on that Saturday morning, October seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
And again I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Help but cry today when I heard about the release
possible release hostages.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, I mean, I hope that's reality.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Go ahead, it's a it's a real huge, this propaganda camp.
It is going on by Iran and himas for years,
and it's inundated our colleges terrifically. I'm afraid you're right,
going on for a long, long time.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yep, I'm afraid. I'm afraid you're right. And like anything else,
we're kind of asleep at the switch. And so Boston
police officers suffers a broken nose last night.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Well, you've been more of this going on different places.
But if you if it was if there was a
sectional start in and two ten twenty ten at Bowden,
that that just gives you a hint of how long
it's been going on for.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, fifteen fifteen years. Like anything else, it has to
start small and then they grow. So I had not
heard that, Madami. I'm assuming you you can tell me
where you heard that, but I have not heard that.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Right, you can go you can go right on and
and uh onto Bolden and you can look for Students
for Palestine Justice in Boden and it's right there. Okay,
get out of this organization there. So it's the scarier
the one. I mean, well, it's certainly what we realized.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, what what I have looking up here Students for
Justice in Palestine. That the founder was a gentleman by
the name of a team basion until it's a lecture
at the University of California in Berkeley. He's the co
founder of American Muslims for.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Palestine, So but they had different He started just the
group in at Boden.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, right, so if he started the group at Bolden,
it doesn't necessarily mean that he started the organization. That's
all again, though, I just want I do strive for
some accuracy here, That's all I believe when.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
People call me, I mean, I've looked this up. I've
been on this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
All right, Well, I appreciate that I haven't.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I wouldn't make any accusation if it wasn't if I
hadn't checked it out very carefully in myself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Eileen. I appreciate you
taking the time.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I really, I really think this is a great fallow
up to last night because it's very much connected to it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
We'll keep on top of this, I promise you, Okay,
I promise you. Thanks, Aley, talk to you soon. Let
me go to Chris and Quincy Christian next time. Night
Saga run ahead. I'm fine, sir. What's your take on
all of this?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I found interesting listening to the recording you were playing
from the demonstration. I'm not really sure which is worse,
the violence or the historical illiteracy.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Bpd kkka, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well yeah, I mean none of them are what you
what you call, you know, historians or scholars.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
They look, I've seen them, and what happens is that
you had You've had Antifa, You've had people who have
joined Antifa, and in tifa's done nothing.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But cause havoc in places like Seattle and Portland. There's
some serious stuff out there. And if they don't get
this under control here in Boston. You know, Boston is
a great city, but you have a few more nights
like last night, and a lot of people will say
maybe Boston is not as great a city as we expected.
People come here for conventions and meetings, and at some
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point they might say, hey, it's not the city that
we that we that we knew what it was at
one point. So there's some economic implications. But these knuckleheads,
these twenty two year olds, they could care less. They're
out there just looking to raise some help.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean, people have the right to protest, that's one
of our rights. I don't care who they are, what
it is, but they have to do it within certain parameters,
whether that means getting permits, complying with police instructions, police
orders not to mention, you don't assault any buddy, let
alone a police officer. Now i'd like to think I
almost want to wonder why they didn't arrest more people.
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But I saw these arraignments, and I'd like to think
that they'd get the book thrown at them if they're convicted.
I'm not terribly optimistic, and specifically the tough kid who's
accused of breaking a police officer's nose looked them up online.
He's from a town down in Connecticut. For high school,
he went to a boarding school in New Jersey, very
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prestigious school. He obviously comes from some money. He's not
going to have a public defender. His parents are going
to get a high priced attorney, probably a former state
or federal prosecutor who knows all the players in Boston.
And the concern is going to be, oh, what about
this young man's future, and if judge is going to
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scold him and then he's going to get community serviced.
I don't I'd like to I'd gladly be proven wrong.
I fear that I might not be well.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What I'd like to see them if you don't want
to put him in I'd like to see him go
to jail for a while for that. Yeah, that's a felony.
The number one book, number of book, but number two.
Hit him with, you know, significant one thousand hours of
community service and make sure that he does that, and
if he doesn't comply with and make it, make a
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community service where he's picking him trash along the Charles
River or something like that, don't don't have him do
community service where he can indoctrinate little kids in kindergarten.
But again, I don't know that the DA in Boston
has that sophistication. I don't know that the judges. I
know some of the judges, and some of them are
really good, and then there are others, uh, you know,
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they're not necessarily really good, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So anyway, uh, very quickly with regard to the vehicle meetups,
to every want to call him, and that's kind of
a whole separate can of worms. And I don't really
see much of a Pluto clangle there. I think we're
talking about just punks who don't respect anybody, yes or anything.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
No, there is no. To the best of my knowledge,
there's no. I'm not asserting that there's any political language.
So you were I and I'm agreeing with you. I
think those are people who want a Sunday morning at
one thirty in the morning.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They just don't have, you respect for anything.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Too many beers, and they probably don't have girlfriends or boyfriends,
and they got nothing better to do. Losers with a
capital answers all.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They're organized on social media. They either need to get
more officers monitoring those social media feeds. It's tough. Part
of the problem is it wasn't just in Boston. There
was one in Randolph for instance. Yeah, it was started
in random Randolph. On the night shift, you might have
literally you might have five or six officers patrolling the
whole town. So they got it, and they come up
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on an instant where there's two or three hundred people there.
You know, they can call in the state police, they
can call neighboring towns. They may be available, they not be.
It's going to take some time for them to get there.
So a lot of times, by the time you can
get enough people in there, you know, most of the
narrati welles at vanscred right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh, they they have moved on again. It started in Randolph,
then they were in West Roxbury, I'm told by Home Depot. Uh.
And then they were in the South End at Tremont
in mass Avenue. So uh, this is this is frightening
uh and the city better get a hold of it
or or the Democratic incumbents are going to find themselves
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in trouble. Next year, there's some going to be some
serious Republican candidates running for governor. And I commend Governor
Healy for what she did today, but a lot of
that was I think she smelled the coffee and she
understands it's time for her to get a little tough.
Simple as that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I guess the proof will being a follow through.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We'll see absolutely, got to look for sure. Thanks Chris,
talk to you soon. Have a great night. Yeah, good night.
We're going to take a very quick break. Bailey from
Cambridges Up next, I got Bob and West Virginia and
Richard in Chicago. The only line open is six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. We will talk about this into the next
hour because they think it's important. We'll be back on
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Nightside right after this break.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're on Night Side with Dan Raym on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Let me go to Bailey and Cambridge, a little just
outside of Boston. Bailey, how are you welcome.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
I'm well, thanks Dan. I think you're going to find
this call very interesting. First, just by way of background,
I spent many years in law law enforcement, almost seventeen years.
I worked not for the Boston Police, but in the
city of Boston. There's a lot of complexities when you're
dealing with what we're talking about. But first, one of
your callers talked about how one of the kids is
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going to get a hotshot lawyer to get them out
of it. Believe it or not, assaultant battery on a
police officer is not that hard to get over on
And I'll tell you why. If you look at the
statue specifically, you have to show that the person who
struck the police officer had full intent to strike that
police officer. In addition to that, they have to be
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able to prove that. The prospects will have to prove
that they also, when doing in the process of that act,
thought that there was a serious chance of bodily injury.
There was a great great chance of Bodley injury. If
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you ever look at a riot, if you get it
on camera, you'll see arms are flinging all over the place.
Unless you have a video. Good luck even with the video.
Give me a challenge.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But that's well.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I understand the point you're making, and as a lawyer,
I understand statutes, and I understand the elements of a crime.
But uh, it seems to me, uh it's it's almost
the equivalent of what we call his lawyer's race, i'sloquidor
the result speaks for herself. This guy ended up, apparently
with this police officer with a broken nose, and he's
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going to need some facial reconstruction, reconstruction surgery. So if
this guy had pushed the police officer and had just
touched him, that would be assault and battery. A mere
a mere touching could be assault and battery. But and
when this police officer, you know, suffered, you know, something
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as grievous as that, he's going to have to reconstructive surgeries.
That's what's being rewarded. Let's see how it works out.
I understand the point. I do get the point, and
he's gonna never have been in trouble before and all
of that, who we but these these kids looking for
the kids, they came looking for a fight last night.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Yeah, and you know what, as citizens, as a proud
American myself, there's so much the police can do. I
think at some point as a society, if we don't
stand up and protect our police, our citizens in our country,
our country is going to go down the tube. So
when we see a bunch of idiots going up and
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down the street, to sit back and watch the police
is one thing, but to find ways where we can
prevent these things from happening and escalating. So for example,
if you're going up Tremont Street and hit Berkeley and
you see this crowd, well heck, if I'm driving my car,
park your car in the middle street so they have
to walk around your car. Put some way makes it
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more difficult for these protesters. Well, Cronian, but I'm at
a point now where I'm like, you know what, let's
start Let's start throwing you know, let's start hitting these
protesters with mace the way they hit up police officers.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
As citizens, Well, uh, look, I'm beginning to think that
all of us are going to probably have mace. Mace
is legal in Massachusetts. I don't even think you need
to have a firearm to purchase me to purchase mace.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Now, you used to need it, used to need an
f I D car.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Got heard of that, you got You're correct on that,
all right, Bailey? Have you called before? I don't recall
your calling.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Oh yeah, I've called before, but I'm not my real
name's not Billy.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't use my real.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Name for fear of repercussions.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No problem, I am, no problems.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Thank you much, Thank you, Dan, I'm bless you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Keep back to work, you too, keep calling the show.
Good night. Right, let's keep rolling. You're going to go
to Bob and Westwoode. We lost a guy from Chicago.
We got Bob in West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Go right ahead, Bobby, Dan, Dan, it's been about two
years since the last time I'll talk to you. Welcome
back tonight, apparently, yeah, thank you. Hey. Here in West Virginia,
we don't have a problem with people gathering and doing
all that sort of stuff. All we have what's called
constitutional carry here, and we've got the Castle law. We
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don't have to back down and run away. Also, and
you touch police officer, you go to jail for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yes, that's a great idea. I think that should be
tried everywhere. Absolutely. No, we we take our country very
seriously and we have the right to keep in bare
arms and uh, it's being necessary to the security of
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a free state. And I believe that most sincerely. We're
self policing. And I think it's four to one. Citizens
with firearms stop crimes, you know, you know, opposed to
police officers. There's more citizens that actually stop crimes from
are in here. Sure, And that's what That's the way
it ought to be everywhere, because if you want to
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be self policing, you've got to be ready to use force,
and we are ready. I carry a Keltech twenty two
mag semi automatic pill.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's a nice nun that sounds like a very nice cun.
Probably pretty effective. Well, again, you're living in West Virginia.
Here in Boston is probably going to be a little
bit different. There are on too many people who would
take on the responsibility that you take on. At the
same time, if you're in West Virginia, which is a
little bit more rural, I'm sure you might find yourself
in situations where you're confronted by a coyote or a
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Bobcat or something like that, where most of us in
Boston wouldn't see a coyote or a bobcat, if you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
So look, they have to burn A launcher, by the way,
it's a non lethal weapon that basically knocks the person down.
It's got gas tear gas, and he's got these big
balls that shoot out of it and you can knock
somebody down for forty minutes and that's pretty good. And
then you don't even need a a you don't even
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need a permit to carry it. You just can buy
it and they'll send it directly to your house called
b y r n A launcher, and it's it's one
of the best darnwaghs and putting somebody down without her
uh with we using lethal force?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All right, Bob, you have given us a lot of information.
I hope you'll call more often. You're an interesting caller.
I'd like to spend more time. Unfortunately, I'm up on
my eleven o'clock newscast, so I gotta I gotta break
it off. But man, keep how's our signal down there?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Said?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Pretty strong?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I hope it's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, every once in a while we get a good
bounce and we pick up w b Z in Boston
and it was, yeah, you're great, Dan. I think you're
your fantastic. You really touch on all the subjects and
look good at it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, I appreciate I.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Love listening to you, and it's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right back at you. Please call more off and don't
make it two years between now and the next call.
He might not be here two years from now. You
never know. Thanks, Bob, appreciate it very much. All right,
Bob and West Virginia wraps the hour for us. We
have one hour left coming up on the eleven o'clock news.
If you're there, great, if you not give us a
call six one seven, two five four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I want to
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talk about these two ugly incidents and what the Boston
Police Department had to go through. I commend what Governor
Healy said today. We'll follow and make sure she follows
up on it. We'll be back on Night's side after
this
It's night Side with Dan Raybs.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We're talking about tonight. Are two really ugly incidents that
took place in Boston in the last seventy two hours.
I guess let's go back to Sunday morning, when you
had this car meet up and you had hundreds of
well at least one hundred people who were there. A
police car was set on fire or caught fire. There
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were some people who were arrested on that. There were
two kids from Rhode Island nineteen and twenty I think
were their ages. Last night was even more organized, and
the car meetup is horrible. But I think that this
stuff with the National Students for Justice in Palestine, they
are looking for a fight, and they were looking for
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a fight last night with Boston police. So they showed
up and well it was a brawl. It was just
a brawl. Now, the police have an obligation to make
sure that people can get in and out of Boston.
As my understanding was, there was an ambulance that was
trying to get through the situation and the demonstrators refuse
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to let the ambulance buy. We've seen that before when
they blocked ninety three. And think you'll see more of that.
I'm telling you this is going to get worse before
it gets better, in my opinion. So just to give
you a little sense of what it sounded like. We
can't show you, but we can give you a little
bit of a sense of it. This is cut number thirty.
(01:34):
This is video of protesters on Boston Common as they
start attacking police and throwing smoke bombs at the cops.
I mean, think about it. I mean that's this is
not people who are being pushed around by police. This
is people who are trying to push around police. Cut
thirty of up. Yeah, they got their chance down and
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here's one where they are. You'll be able to hear
this one a little bit more clearly. It's thirty a
Boston protesters chanting BPD for Boston Police Department KKK all
the same. They really believe this. By the way, they
must historically not know how bad the KKK was, But
this has got thirty a rub. So that's what it
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was like in Boston last night around nine thirty. Thirteen
of these young's were arrested. And I hope they filled
a book at them because they came out for a fight.
They were there looking for a fight. And the Boston
Police Department, outnumbered, gave it to them. This is frightening
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in my opinion, because look, these were people who were
who were demonstrating on behalf of Hamas. That's what the
Students for Justice in Palatine in Palestine believe. They have
been demonstrating ever since the October seventh attack in twenty
twenty three. Let me get to phone calls here. If
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you're not outraged by this, I don't think he got
a pulse. Let me go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie,
welcome back your thoughts on either of these demonstrations here
in Boston in the last couple of nights.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Hey, how are we going, Dan? Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I just like to say I don't have to
be your best caller. I don't have to be your
worst caller. I just call the show because they enjoy
your point of view and your listener's point of view,
and I enjoy giving my point of view. I didn't
enjoy getting information from different people and tear a different
points of view, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
And to be quite honest with you, I find that
(04:23):
you support most of Trump's things more than your detract
from them. And and I'm kind of the same as
you was. You know, Meg Lincoln said at once, stand
with somebody when they're right, and pop when when they
when they're work.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. The problem, the problem I have with Trump is stylistically.
You know, I was kind of my my great president,
greatest president was Ronald Reagan. But this fella from Abington
who calls every six months or so, uh, you know,
never in doubt, but often mistaken. That's that's how I
describe Jeff. He he makes assumptions which you're just dead wrong,
(04:59):
and that's fine. One wants to attack me. I'm a
tough guy. I can take it, trust me. Uh And
actually I'm I'm surprised that I don't get more criticism.
There are some you know, there are some people out
there who if you're not with Trump on everything, you're
you're some sort of I don't know, you know. I mean,
the loyalty to Trump is astonishing, is astonishing. And as
(05:20):
I say, I will give Trump all the credit that
is due on things that he deserves credit for, and
I'll criticize him on things, uh that I want to
criticize him for. That's that's my job, that's that's my personality.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Absolutely, and I feel the same way. He's just so braggadaci,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But yeah, yeah, Well, as I say, Jeff, Jeff has
drunk about like five gallons of the kool aid, So
that's fine. Yeah, I don't bring anyone's kool aid. So
what's your thought of this? I mean, I see this.
I see this as something that is starting to percolate back.
It reminds me of Occupy Wall Street and all of
those demonstrations back in the day. This could get real
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nasty really quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And I feel the same way. You know, I think
I said it on your show before turn Occupy Wall Street.
You know, I was too busy making a living and
working and trying to support my family to go sit
on the Rose Kennedy Greenway and smoke marijuana cigarettes and
like say how bad society was. But that's neither handle.
There the reason, one of the reasons I call was, yeah,
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it is going to get worse before it gets better.
You can see it. And here's the thing, right now,
let's face it there, nobody wants to admit it. The
Boston police are overwhelmed. They truly are everybody hates. Everybody
has this light disdain for everything. They don't even know
what they hate anymore. They just want to fight to fight,
because you know what, if you're all making an honest living,
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and I'm not putting people down, I get it. Students
that protest, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when
you have way too many much energy because you're not
doing anything else, it's just you're looking for trouble. And
they found in the trouble they were looking for. They
didn't come out to peacefully protest, they came out to
you said. It was a night of rage, a week
of rage.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And here all the other thing too is if you
do a little investigation on this group, Students for Justice
in Palestine, they're getting big money from somewhere. They are
getting big with bucks from somewhere because you get all
these kids out there, and first, first of all, most
of them, if they're twenty or twenty one or twenty two,
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they should be you know, having a good time or
whatever they're doing. But no, there they're committed to a
clause that they don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They don't even understand absolutely absolutely, And if you say,
you know what, and I agree with you one hundred percent.
And that's what I'm saying. Maybe we're so overwhelmed, maybe
it is time for them past, but federal help or
who knows that. I mean, if this keeps going at
this rate, there you're going it to the holiday season.
I remember being a kid, my mother taking me to
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Toura Marsh and then we will go to Chinatown to
get something to negot what you're gotta worry about taking
your children from Parkston one of that absolutely to be
one of the premier cities in the world of holiday festivities.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
As I say, you could you you could have walked
up out of Park Street station on the tee uh
and found yourself in the middle of that madness. Or
you could have walked out of the underground parking garage
if you chose to drive in and you were going
to go to a restaurant or some event, and all
of a sudden you have no idea what the hell's
going on? And that this sadly, I think it will
(08:37):
get worse before it gets better. So I'm glad to
hear Healey comment today. She should comment if she's smart
and there's a little politics involved there. The Republicans are
starting to make a little traction with her, So we'll
see how that goes. She's up for reelection a year
for now.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, no, and she didn't know what, Like you said,
I give her all the credit in the world, but
you know, oh, how much of it is to say
we got control of our old situation before President Trump says,
maybe you don't have control, and it would be a
It's always a sad state of affairs to see the
federal government have to intervene on state to states, and
(09:16):
I don't advocate that, well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The federal government exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Maybe you see one of the safest cities in the world, Well.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The federal government went into some of the southern states,
Arkansas and Alabama specifically when black kids were not being
allowed to integrate public school systems. That's clearly a constitutional issue.
The issue that Trump is trying to make is that
there are federal buildings and also you know, federal agents
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who need protection for them to do their job. And
we'll see how that is adjudicated in the court system.
I don't think that he's necessarily going to lose all
those cases in my opinion. I mean, Chicago is a
killing field. I don't think Pritzker or Johnson Kira about
the young kids in the South Side of Chicago who
killed every weekend. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's a lot of real quick there. Does Mala Haley
mayor Wu care about the residents of the South End
they might to have a peaceful life or a good
quality of life, because she really can't well when I
will only.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Say this, when you hear the stories from people in
the South End about drug addicts breaking into their homes,
and in one case there was a woman who said
that some guy was a drug addict one of the
residents of mass and cast was defecating in her living room. Okay,
I mean, I don't know how I guess any more
(10:42):
bizarre than that. Uh, And yet the South End voted
for Mayor Wu. So I guess maybe the people in
the South End were happy with Mayor Woo after all,
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, all right, thank you, Bernie,
talk soon night, Thank you too. Let's keep rolling here.
Six point seven two, five ten thirty or six seven nine.
(11:03):
I think that there's a lot of students around here.
We had a lot of demonstrations on campuses Harvard, MIT
and elsewhere. You could easily see these demonstrations becoming bigger
and more difficult for the police, UH in Boston and
also elsewhere. So they the the thing is that this
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Students for for Justice in Palestine, which is nothing more
than a front for Hamas. UH. They can pick the
time and place of where they want to raise hell
and it's a different police department maybe at a different time.
It's it's going to be a problem. Join the conversation.
Be right back on night side.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It's nice eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
By the way, I'm reading from the Anti Defamation League, UH,
and they describe the Students for Justice Polton in Palestine.
SJP refers to a network of anti Zionist student groups
on university campuses across the US. SJP is also used
as shorthand for National sjpor JP, the National Students for
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Justice in Palestine, which is led by a steering committee
individual SJP chapters in National SJP have justified, Indo glorified,
have justified, Indo glorified the Hamas led October seventh attack
on Israel. They were also a central organizer of the
twenty twenty four student encampments across US universities and colleges.
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So that's what we're talking about here, okay. SJP and
many SJP chapters have called for Zionists, those who believe
in the Jewish people's right to self determination and their
ancestral homeland and have connections to Israel to be removed
from campus spaces or from universities altogether. Some SJP options
(13:00):
have called the Ban Hellal the premier Jewish group student
group in the US and Shabbad, and some activists are
going so far as to call for harassing and intimidating
Zionist and vandalizing Zionist institutions. Bad people, bad people, without
a doubt, without a doubt. And they have an agenda.
It's the same agenda that you see now in Portland
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and other cities around the country. It's as simple, it's
as simple as that. And they they they're at the
tip of the sphere. They're at the tip of the spear.
Let's go, We're going to go next to Jim in
Kansas City. Jim, welcome you next on nights. I've been
a while since I heard from you. Jim. How are
you tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Hi Dan, I'm happy, Thank you? How are you.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Good, doing great? What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Oh, I'm sorry to hear about your voice, but I
hopefully recovers.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh, it always has, It always has, Jim. But I
don't like to take sick days. Okay, So I'll bet
I'm on the road to recovery. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So anyway, the fights you're talking about sound like they're
about to be test cases to see whether or not
heally supports the police. And that's why she's pretending that
she will support them. And I always thought that assault
on a police officer was like super duper number one
thing you don't ever want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh, absolutely, no question.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I don't I think that's a that is a
I mean, as far as I know, that's like a
special currently like a not a section of law, but
it's a special like set aside crime.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think, yeah, what's it would called? It would be
enhanced So if someone, uh, you know, committed assault and
battery against you or me, that's one thing. But when
you start to commit assault and battery against the police officer,
that's quite a different thing. And it is it calls
for enhanced penalties. And again I'm sure that they are
state law in every state dealing with that. So there's
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no question about that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So I don't know who's drawing out who, but drawing
out the enemy is a war tactic. So it sounds
like there's there's a war in a lot of these
cities where they're either the police are trying to draw
out these protesters or the protesters are drawing out the police,
or or both.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
No, the police don't want the protesters. That only causes
uh mayhem. Police have enough enough to deal with just crime.
They're not drawing up.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That's a that's a that's a war tactic. They're not that.
It's not a that's not just like a protest. That's
that's more than a protest.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I understand. But the protesters make it very clear what
they were doing. They called it a week of rage.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's not just that's not a protest, it's there.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
They're und I do understand your point. They call it
a week of rage.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
And okay, with with these with these uh slide slideshow
as they call them. You can't use horses because the
horses could get hurt. But they have special weapon, non
lethal weaponry. Some of it is called slime, and you
put it on the street. And once you get that
stuff on the street, cars are going nowhere. And then
(16:17):
they also have a gel that I don't know how
it works, but somehow or another, if they get it
anywhere near the gas tank, it'll turn the fuel to
a gel. And then they also have.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I haven't heard of that one, but you know, you
may know more about it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It was developed a few years ago raytheon. But then
there's also these little things. It's like like silly putty,
but it has a tracker in it, and they if
they hit it on the car, it'll it'll stick to
the car and then they can follow the car wherever
it goes. So I mean, I don't know if they
have that stuff or not. Imagine they do. If they
don't have it, they should get it and they should
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use that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, well, all sorts of good information, Jim. You always
have a font of information, and some of that I
totally understand. Uh. And and they want to be They
also of course now have drones. But these people were
all on foot. There were there was no there were
no vehicles involved in this. They were all on foot, uh.
And they wanted to do battle with the police, and
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and they all were wearing masks, or virtually all of
them were wearing masks, and they're taking cheap shots at
police officers because they just you know, they've either been
brought up or they have drank the kool aid and
they feel police officers are horrific people.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
If that's the case, I mean, if you know, I
don't know. They may they may be like special special
on drugs or something. But if a cop comes up
to you on a horseback, it's whack. It starts whack.
I mean. I was in some protests for the first
Gulf War, and as long as you were just protests
and you were fine. But as soon as you started
spray painting or anything like that, they had tops on
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horseback and when the guys hit you with them batons,
you were going down. You are, I mean, you're not
gonna just it's not just gonna hurt. It knocks you down.
It's like getting hit with a baseball bat. So I
don't know whether there's soft I don't know whether it's
soft pitching them, but they are.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I cover. I covered a lot of demonstrations, so I
have seen some of that. The police can be very effective,
and of course then you have the a c l
U the same wards you have to hit the kid. Yeah,
it's like anyway, whatever, Jim, great, great, dear your voice.
I'm up coming up on a CBS special report on.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You gotta get that going, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Too soon, have a good one, Okay. So tonight this
word out of the Middle East late today that there's
some progress and potentially a prisoner exchange between Israel and
a moss which would be the first step on the
road to piece. Here's the CBS News.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thank you, Dan Walking. A little breaking sports news from
New York City. The Yankees lost to the Blue Jays tonight,
five to two, and that puts the Blue Jays in
the American League Championship Series, probably against Seattle. But the
Yankees are done. They beat the Red Sox and the
Blue Jays beat the Yankees. So this is Governor Healey
(19:19):
today talking about zero tolerance in this state for people
who come in and do these so called meetups. Real quickly, Rob,
let's just play cut thirty five so people can hear
the governor today.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I'm taking action.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I've directed the colonel of my state police, Colonel Noble
to make sure that MSP resources are used to work
with local police departments to identify, apprehend, and punish offenders.
There is a lot of work that needs to be
done online, and we have monitoring through the Fusion Center
(19:55):
and other resources. But I just want to be really
clear that we we have zero tolerance for this in
the state. Some of the perpetrators are from Massachusetts. Other
perpetrators are coming into Massachusetts. But whether you're in Massachusetts
or you think about coming to Massachusetts, you are not
welcome to engage in that conduct at any time, in
(20:17):
any place anywhere in this state.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And the type of activity she's referred to these so
called car meetups where they designate an intersection, everybody arrives
and they blocked the intersection off. And again I didn't
hear the governor today speak and maybe she did, but
I didn't hear her speak about the riot in Boston
last night with the pro Palestinian really the pro Hamas
(20:44):
demonstrators from Students for Justice and Palts and Palestine. Let's
get back to the calls. I want to get as
many folks in. The only line that is available right
now is six one, seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
If you disagree, feel free. I lean this in Waltham.
I lean you next one, Knightsaker, right ahead, I know, Hi, Eileen, welcome.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Thank you. This is a terrific follow up to your
program last night. By the way, thank you, congratulations. I
think it's even more than.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
What we realize.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't doubt you, say.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Zoron Madani started the organization Students for Justice for Palestine
at Bolden College, where he was there in two ten,
two eleven to twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I didn't realize that. Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah, I think this has been going on for a
lot longer than we realized, and they really do support terrorists.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
They well, they have no concern, they have no concern
at all for the innocent Israeli Jewish men, women and
children who were slaughtered, in many cases slaughtered in their
beds on that Saturday morning, October seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
And again I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Help but cry today when I heard about the release
possible release hostages.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, I mean, I hope that's reality.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Go ahead, it's a it's a real huge, this propaganda camp.
It is going on by Iran and himas for years,
and it's inundated our colleges terrifically. I'm afraid you're right,
going on for a long, long time.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yep, I'm afraid. I'm afraid you're right. And like anything else,
we're kind of asleep at the switch. And so Boston
police officers suffers a broken nose last night.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Well, you've been more of this going on different places.
But if you if it was if there was a
sectional start in and two ten twenty ten at Bowden,
that that just gives you a hint of how long
it's been going on for.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, fifteen fifteen years. Like anything else, it has to
start small and then they grow. So I had not
heard that, Madami. I'm assuming you you can tell me
where you heard that, but I have not heard that.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Right, you can go you can go right on and
and uh onto Bolden and you can look for Students
for Palestine Justice in Boden and it's right there. Okay,
get out of this organization there. So it's the scarier
the one. I mean, well, it's certainly what we realized.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, what what I have looking up here Students for
Justice in Palestine. That the founder was a gentleman by
the name of a team basion until it's a lecture
at the University of California in Berkeley. He's the co
founder of American Muslims for.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Palestine, So but they had different He started just the
group in at Boden.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, right, so if he started the group at Bolden,
it doesn't necessarily mean that he started the organization. That's
all again, though, I just want I do strive for
some accuracy here, That's all I believe when.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
People call me, I mean, I've looked this up. I've
been on this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
All right, Well, I appreciate that I haven't.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I wouldn't make any accusation if it wasn't if I
hadn't checked it out very carefully in myself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Eileen. I appreciate you
taking the time.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I really, I really think this is a great fallow
up to last night because it's very much connected to it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
We'll keep on top of this, I promise you, Okay,
I promise you. Thanks, Aley, talk to you soon. Let
me go to Chris and Quincy Christian next time. Night
Saga run ahead. I'm fine, sir. What's your take on
all of this?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I found interesting listening to the recording you were playing
from the demonstration. I'm not really sure which is worse,
the violence or the historical illiteracy.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Bpd kkka, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well yeah, I mean none of them are what you
what you call, you know, historians or scholars.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
They look, I've seen them, and what happens is that
you had You've had Antifa, You've had people who have
joined Antifa, and in tifa's done nothing.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But cause havoc in places like Seattle and Portland. There's
some serious stuff out there. And if they don't get
this under control here in Boston. You know, Boston is
a great city, but you have a few more nights
like last night, and a lot of people will say
maybe Boston is not as great a city as we expected.
People come here for conventions and meetings, and at some
(25:26):
point they might say, hey, it's not the city that
we that we that we knew what it was at
one point. So there's some economic implications. But these knuckleheads,
these twenty two year olds, they could care less. They're
out there just looking to raise some help.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean, people have the right to protest, that's one
of our rights. I don't care who they are, what
it is, but they have to do it within certain parameters,
whether that means getting permits, complying with police instructions, police
orders not to mention, you don't assault any buddy, let
alone a police officer. Now i'd like to think I
almost want to wonder why they didn't arrest more people.
(26:05):
But I saw these arraignments, and I'd like to think
that they'd get the book thrown at them if they're convicted.
I'm not terribly optimistic, and specifically the tough kid who's
accused of breaking a police officer's nose looked them up online.
He's from a town down in Connecticut. For high school,
he went to a boarding school in New Jersey, very
(26:27):
prestigious school. He obviously comes from some money. He's not
going to have a public defender. His parents are going
to get a high priced attorney, probably a former state
or federal prosecutor who knows all the players in Boston.
And the concern is going to be, oh, what about
this young man's future, and if judge is going to
(26:47):
scold him and then he's going to get community serviced.
I don't I'd like to I'd gladly be proven wrong.
I fear that I might not be well.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What I'd like to see them if you don't want
to put him in I'd like to see him go
to jail for a while for that. Yeah, that's a felony.
The number one book, number of book, but number two.
Hit him with, you know, significant one thousand hours of
community service and make sure that he does that, and
if he doesn't comply with and make it, make a
(27:15):
community service where he's picking him trash along the Charles
River or something like that, don't don't have him do
community service where he can indoctrinate little kids in kindergarten.
But again, I don't know that the DA in Boston
has that sophistication. I don't know that the judges. I
know some of the judges, and some of them are
really good, and then there are others, uh, you know,
(27:36):
they're not necessarily really good, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So anyway, uh, very quickly with regard to the vehicle meetups,
to every want to call him, and that's kind of
a whole separate can of worms. And I don't really
see much of a Pluto clangle there. I think we're
talking about just punks who don't respect anybody, yes or anything.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
No, there is no. To the best of my knowledge,
there's no. I'm not asserting that there's any political language.
So you were I and I'm agreeing with you. I
think those are people who want a Sunday morning at
one thirty in the morning.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They just don't have, you respect for anything.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Too many beers, and they probably don't have girlfriends or boyfriends,
and they got nothing better to do. Losers with a
capital answers all.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They're organized on social media. They either need to get
more officers monitoring those social media feeds. It's tough. Part
of the problem is it wasn't just in Boston. There
was one in Randolph for instance. Yeah, it was started
in random Randolph. On the night shift, you might have
literally you might have five or six officers patrolling the
whole town. So they got it, and they come up
(28:41):
on an instant where there's two or three hundred people there.
You know, they can call in the state police, they
can call neighboring towns. They may be available, they not be.
It's going to take some time for them to get there.
So a lot of times, by the time you can
get enough people in there, you know, most of the
narrati welles at vanscred right.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh, they they have moved on again. It started in Randolph,
then they were in West Roxbury, I'm told by Home Depot. Uh.
And then they were in the South End at Tremont
in mass Avenue. So uh, this is this is frightening
uh and the city better get a hold of it
or or the Democratic incumbents are going to find themselves
(29:17):
in trouble. Next year, there's some going to be some
serious Republican candidates running for governor. And I commend Governor
Healy for what she did today, but a lot of
that was I think she smelled the coffee and she
understands it's time for her to get a little tough.
Simple as that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I guess the proof will being a follow through.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
We'll see absolutely, got to look for sure. Thanks Chris,
talk to you soon. Have a great night. Yeah, good night.
We're going to take a very quick break. Bailey from
Cambridges Up next, I got Bob and West Virginia and
Richard in Chicago. The only line open is six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. We will talk about this into the next
hour because they think it's important. We'll be back on
(29:55):
Nightside right after this break.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're on Night Side with Dan Raym on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Let me go to Bailey and Cambridge, a little just
outside of Boston. Bailey, how are you welcome.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
I'm well, thanks Dan. I think you're going to find
this call very interesting. First, just by way of background,
I spent many years in law law enforcement, almost seventeen years.
I worked not for the Boston Police, but in the
city of Boston. There's a lot of complexities when you're
dealing with what we're talking about. But first, one of
your callers talked about how one of the kids is
(30:31):
going to get a hotshot lawyer to get them out
of it. Believe it or not, assaultant battery on a
police officer is not that hard to get over on
And I'll tell you why. If you look at the
statue specifically, you have to show that the person who
struck the police officer had full intent to strike that
police officer. In addition to that, they have to be
(30:51):
able to prove that. The prospects will have to prove
that they also, when doing in the process of that act,
thought that there was a serious chance of bodily injury.
There was a great great chance of Bodley injury. If
(31:11):
you ever look at a riot, if you get it
on camera, you'll see arms are flinging all over the place.
Unless you have a video. Good luck even with the video.
Give me a challenge.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But that's well.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I understand the point you're making, and as a lawyer,
I understand statutes, and I understand the elements of a crime.
But uh, it seems to me, uh it's it's almost
the equivalent of what we call his lawyer's race, i'sloquidor
the result speaks for herself. This guy ended up, apparently
with this police officer with a broken nose, and he's
(31:44):
going to need some facial reconstruction, reconstruction surgery. So if
this guy had pushed the police officer and had just
touched him, that would be assault and battery. A mere
a mere touching could be assault and battery. But and
when this police officer, you know, suffered, you know, something
(32:05):
as grievous as that, he's going to have to reconstructive surgeries.
That's what's being rewarded. Let's see how it works out.
I understand the point. I do get the point, and
he's gonna never have been in trouble before and all
of that, who we but these these kids looking for
the kids, they came looking for a fight last night.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Yeah, and you know what, as citizens, as a proud
American myself, there's so much the police can do. I
think at some point as a society, if we don't
stand up and protect our police, our citizens in our country,
our country is going to go down the tube. So
when we see a bunch of idiots going up and
(32:45):
down the street, to sit back and watch the police
is one thing, but to find ways where we can
prevent these things from happening and escalating. So for example,
if you're going up Tremont Street and hit Berkeley and
you see this crowd, well heck, if I'm driving my car,
park your car in the middle street so they have
to walk around your car. Put some way makes it
(33:05):
more difficult for these protesters. Well, Cronian, but I'm at
a point now where I'm like, you know what, let's
start Let's start throwing you know, let's start hitting these
protesters with mace the way they hit up police officers.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
As citizens, Well, uh, look, I'm beginning to think that
all of us are going to probably have mace. Mace
is legal in Massachusetts. I don't even think you need
to have a firearm to purchase me to purchase mace.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Now, you used to need it, used to need an
f I D car.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Got heard of that, you got You're correct on that,
all right, Bailey? Have you called before? I don't recall
your calling.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Oh yeah, I've called before, but I'm not my real
name's not Billy.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't use my real.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Name for fear of repercussions.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No problem, I am, no problems.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Thank you much, Thank you, Dan, I'm bless you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Keep back to work, you too, keep calling the show.
Good night. Right, let's keep rolling. You're going to go
to Bob and Westwoode. We lost a guy from Chicago.
We got Bob in West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Go right ahead, Bobby, Dan, Dan, it's been about two
years since the last time I'll talk to you. Welcome
back tonight, apparently, yeah, thank you. Hey. Here in West Virginia,
we don't have a problem with people gathering and doing
all that sort of stuff. All we have what's called
constitutional carry here, and we've got the Castle law. We
(34:24):
don't have to back down and run away. Also, and
you touch police officer, you go to jail for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yes, that's a great idea. I think that should be
tried everywhere. Absolutely. No, we we take our country very
seriously and we have the right to keep in bare
arms and uh, it's being necessary to the security of
(34:55):
a free state. And I believe that most sincerely. We're
self policing. And I think it's four to one. Citizens
with firearms stop crimes, you know, you know, opposed to
police officers. There's more citizens that actually stop crimes from
are in here. Sure, And that's what That's the way
it ought to be everywhere, because if you want to
(35:16):
be self policing, you've got to be ready to use force,
and we are ready. I carry a Keltech twenty two
mag semi automatic pill.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's a nice nun that sounds like a very nice cun.
Probably pretty effective. Well, again, you're living in West Virginia.
Here in Boston is probably going to be a little
bit different. There are on too many people who would
take on the responsibility that you take on. At the
same time, if you're in West Virginia, which is a
little bit more rural, I'm sure you might find yourself
in situations where you're confronted by a coyote or a
(35:50):
Bobcat or something like that, where most of us in
Boston wouldn't see a coyote or a bobcat, if you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
So look, they have to burn A launcher, by the way,
it's a non lethal weapon that basically knocks the person down.
It's got gas tear gas, and he's got these big
balls that shoot out of it and you can knock
somebody down for forty minutes and that's pretty good. And
then you don't even need a a you don't even
(36:18):
need a permit to carry it. You just can buy
it and they'll send it directly to your house called
b y r n A launcher, and it's it's one
of the best darnwaghs and putting somebody down without her
uh with we using lethal force?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All right, Bob, you have given us a lot of information.
I hope you'll call more often. You're an interesting caller.
I'd like to spend more time. Unfortunately, I'm up on
my eleven o'clock newscast, so I gotta I gotta break
it off. But man, keep how's our signal down there?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Said?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Pretty strong?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I hope it's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, every once in a while we get a good
bounce and we pick up w b Z in Boston
and it was, yeah, you're great, Dan. I think you're
your fantastic. You really touch on all the subjects and
look good at it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, I appreciate I.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Love listening to you, and it's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right back at you. Please call more off and don't
make it two years between now and the next call.
He might not be here two years from now. You
never know. Thanks, Bob, appreciate it very much. All right,
Bob and West Virginia wraps the hour for us. We
have one hour left coming up on the eleven o'clock news.
If you're there, great, if you not give us a
call six one seven, two five four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I want to
(37:29):
talk about these two ugly incidents and what the Boston
Police Department had to go through. I commend what Governor
Healy said today. We'll follow and make sure she follows
up on it. We'll be back on Night's side after
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