August 29, 2025 • 41 mins
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Bradley would like to pose a question to the listening audience on whether honesty is really the best policy. Has being honest ever backfired on you and was it worth it?
Bradley would like to pose a question to the listening audience on whether honesty is really the best policy. Has being honest ever backfired on you and was it worth it?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you pas
Boston's Beech Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Al, It's time to talk about lying. Before
the break, I mentioned, hey, people to get ahead are liars.
Our leaders are liars. I don't think you can get
elected without lying. And all over the media you see
lots of lies. Well, it's time we learned how to lie.
I'm a terrible liar. First, there are and always, well
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there have been for some time instances we're lying is okay?
In addition to that, though, I'm going to teach you
how to lie as well. When do you think that
lying is okay? Six one seven, two thirty? And have
you been burned by telling them the truth? I'd like
to know Eric, and Attleborough is first. He may still
be asking a question about the previous topic of ay,
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I will see I hope not. But Eric, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hey, good evening.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did you hear you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I sure can?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, great, Yeah, Bradley right, I've I'm glad to hear
you talk about these subjects. And I've listened to Dan show,
you know, for nearly a decade and a half and
call every now and then, and I've heard your voices
I really uh place a lot of uh. I just
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you know, in this age of when you say about
lying and media as far as you know, spinning narratives
and so on and so forth. I mean, like Easy
Radio has always been pretty consistent.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm just trusted source, and as time goes on, you
should stick with trusted sources like WBZ. And I'm not
just saying that because I work here. So what about
have you ever had a situation where you told the
truth and you should not have?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, and yeah, I mean when I tell the truth
to people about like objective reality, like the material conditions
that we all live amongst, like live upon when our
elected officials that some people that I know have such
a Yes, I hope you can't.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I definitely don't want to make this a political thing.
So can we steer away from that?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I can definitely stare away from that. I mean
I think it's okay to you know, like when I'm
out with uh my wife, for instance, and we've been
together for nearly ten years now, and she might bring
me to a holiday party that I really just don't
want to go to. Yeah, And I mean, you know,
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if you know, and maybe just because I'm not in
a festive mood. It's not necessarily the people that she's
you know, at this party, but you know it comes over. Hey,
you know, Eric, you're having a good time. And yeah, yeah,
having a good time. You know, I don't want to.
I wouldn't want to. I think that's an okay time
to lie, you know, like just I mean when I
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bring it to Yankees I mean Yankees fan, so I
mean I go when I bring you to a Yankees game,
you know, I know she's not telling me the truth
like she tells me she said, having a good time,
like what I call her all the way to the
Bronx to watch the Yankees.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
But what about this?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
What about this? Make a deal with her? She does
not have to go all the way to the Bronx.
If you don't have to go to those holiday parties.
What a deal that is?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, No, We're started to have those conversations and compromises
for certain and just when when you know, one thing
you did say, like there's lives in the news and
the media, and and then your prior topic on AI
you know, I mean I had worked as a Softie
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software engineer for nearly a decade and a half and
now work in network security and you know, as far
as like, you know, one of the very interesting things
about how the utilization of AI is being used on
a certain platform, UH that used to be called Twitter.
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I mean, there's a lot of political consensus that's being built,
and there's an incentive is you know, incentivization program for
the content creators to basically built you know, political propaganda.
And what's very interesting, you know, is that links to
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external sources to substantiate whatever that influencer is posting and
are not allowed like in the direct post. So someone
might see a blurb from from an influencer that says,
you know, and I'm just like you said, I'm not
getting political. I just want to use this as an example,
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like they might say, you know, North Korea conducted one
hundred you know, missile tests, and and it's just it's
done to kind of generate consensus from you know, people
from all you know that might see that influence's post
and in the comments, they might.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Have an agenda. They might be trying to convince you
that Ukraine's UH flight is hopeless and that you should
stop sending aid. Yeah, I know, what you're saying. You're
saying that, that's what I understand. Good point, Eric, I
got limited time. I got to get to some folks,
but thank you so much for that call. Let me
whip through these examples of when it's kind of okay,
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maybe you have some others okay to lot, spare feelings,
compliment of friends, haircut, as I mentioned, to protect, what
if a murderer comes by your house and says, you know,
where did that guy go? And you you should lie
to that murder so they don't murder. There's all kinds
of situations. I actually study this stuff in college. I
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was a philosophy I studied philosophy and ethics and if
to be very interesting. To protect, if telling a vulnerable
person the harsh truth will crush them, softening it will
with a small ee can be compassionate, So lying to
be compassionate. However, doctors sometimes lie to soften the blow
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of some bad news, and I don't think they should.
Another one to keep the peace family dinner, saying everything's
fine rather than starting an argument that ruins the evening. True,
there are all kinds of other cases, and if you
want to get philosophical about it, there are two ways
to look at it. There's Immanuel Kant, who has a
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crazy dumb view of this. Sorry, sorry, Emmanuel, You're an
idiot on this one. Kant argued that lying is never
acceptable because it undermines trust. He says con says that
if murderers are looking for your brother and they come
to the door and ask where he is, that it
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is your moral duty to tell him. Otherwise, overall, in
the big picture, trust will be degraded. Yeah, that's nuts.
On the other hand, this is the John Stuart Mill
concept of utilitarianism, which has to do the greatest number.
The greatest good for the greatest number is the short
version of that, and you should according to that. You
should say whatever will result in the greatest good for
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the greatest number, which is not necessarily the truth. And
not only should you say what's good best for the
greatest number, you should act in a way that the
greatest good for the greatest number. But for the individual
it might be disastrous. There might be a case where
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doing something bad to one individual will save a bunch
of other individuals, even though that initial individual is innocent.
Utilitarianism will tell you should harm that innocent person to
save ten other innocent person. That's a toughie. We'll get
to Justin and Marlborough right after this on w b Z.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Already we go to Justin in Marlinborough and then Neil
and Watertown. First, Justin, how do you do? We're talking
about lying, When is it okay to lie? And how
to go about it?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I lie.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
In two occasions all the time, and I think it's
a better good. I grew up with the Seville speech impediment,
so now I have a unique accent and every year
my whole life, people ask me when they don't know me,
they say, where's that accent from? And if I tell
them it's from the speech impediment, they call me a liar.
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You you you say New Zealand or well I asked
them to guess and they guess like New Zealand. I'm like, wow,
do you read mysteries? You've very deductive. They feel good
about themselves. Yes. And my other thing is I work
as a mailman and alive a mission is a wonderful
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thing because people really dislike New Yorkers and both sides
of my family are from Brooklyn, and I have people
come up to me and said, watch out for those
new people on your route. They're from New York. I'm like,
oh no, and people I don't think so and I
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don't Yeah, so I just do a live mission. I'm like, oh,
thank you for the heads up. I don't need to
tell them I'm from New York. But I uh.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
There's two lives of a mission. And you're right, a
beautiful thing. I love what you do when they ask
you about your accent. You make them feel good by
having them guests and telling them they're right. The speech impediment,
they'd feel bad, and so every time you do that,
you save someone from feeling bad. That's cool.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So a wonderful topic of I've enjoyed you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Bye. Now there justin.
That was a good call, Neil. I'm going to get
you in a minute. But I'm going to run down
some hit hints on how to lie. As I've told
you before, I used to be a terrible liar. I'm
getting better at it. As a matter of fact, the
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other day on the show, remember we did new stories
and I read you some new stories, and you try
to guess which ones were the fake new stories, and
I beat you on all of them, all for the
that I made up you thought were true. So I'm
getting there. As a matter of fact, maybe they should
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teach lying. If school is to help you get along
in life, there should be a course in lying. Lying
one one, lying one O two. Here we go, before
you tell a lie, before you tell a lie. I'm
looking at it. I didn't memorize this. I'm looking at
it online. Incorporate truths. A good lie contains elements of
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the truth, making it more plausible. That's right. Keep you
as much as you can true, and only the part
you need to do you change, because if somebody somebody
hears two or three things they know are true, they're
more likely to believe that part in question is true.
Keep it simple, don't get caught up in too many
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intricate details, which can unravel your story. And you hear
this on Seinfeld, But when George is lying, or maybe
Elaine's lying, those characters, by the way, despicable. The only
real Kramer is the only kind of real human Jerry,
George and Elaine so so elfish Anyway, next tip on
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how to lie, know the context, understand what the listener knows,
and how the light might lie might be disproven. That's interesting.
For example, if you're talking to somebody that is an
expert in Egyptian tomb rating, probably better not lie about that.
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Have an exit strategy, be prepared to know how to
respond if a lie is challenged. That's a lot to
think about on the spot. Right during a lie, Well,
actually I'll do during the lie. That's the stuff I
told you there was before the lif like lying prepped
coming up as during the lie. Now we go to
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Neil in Watertown.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Hi, Neil, Hello, Gladly. I have an example of when
it's all right to lie, it's actually preferable to lie.
This is from an episode of Highway Patrol. And a
young boy had stepped on a nail and he was
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in danger of dying, and his father was very nervous.
The doctor, who was very composed and a buncular and
elderly called said I want to speak to you for
a moment. He took him aside and he said, under
no conditions do you tell Jimmy that he is in
any danger. You give him the impression that he is
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all right, that he has recovered, Otherwise he might subconsciously
give up. So that I think you have no choice
but to lie.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That's interesting though. What about you? What if you go
to see the doctor and you get diagnosed with something.
Do you want the doctor to lie to you and
paint paint an unrealistically rosy picture or do you want
to know the truth give it to me straight, doc.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Well, it's it's difficult. I use a word I think,
I know as a casual wistic. It means it's a
case by case basis, and it's difficult. And George Elliott
she goes into a long, long essay in chapter seventeen,
and Adam been and how difficult it is to tell
the truth even when you want to, because I shrink
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from it, you know, And I'm human, So I do
believe in being good, don't get me wrong. Yeah, every
every viber of your being should try to be good
and try to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
As you think back, can you remember regretting telling the truth?
What do you wish?
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Maybe I just don't have an example. A lot of
things I did I regret about my growing up, but
I don't know if it was a lack of I
can't think of an example.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
This isn't related, But since you brought it up, what's
something you regret that you did growing up?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
All kinds of things, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You don't have anything at the top of the list.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Well, I don't know if I could share show with you,
But I mean, I'm I'm lucky. I came out of
it and I don't deserve it, but I was lucky things,
you know, I wasn't wasn't a good friend, wasn't a
good It wasn't a good son. You know, all kinds
of things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh yeah, oh my god, I regret that's a that's
a topic for another show.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Right, No, But the thing is, just try to change
it today, right yeah, try to you know, and try
to change it today. I mean, I could say I
was immature so I didn't realize it, but other kids
were more mature than I were. So but but I
just thought in that one case, I would even the
strictest definition of lie. I said, yes, you're lying, you're
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not prevaricating, you're not you're not equivocating. You're telling the
boy that he's all right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There you go. That's a good one. I really appreciate
the call, the thoughtful calling.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Neil, thanks, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
By the way, he referenced Highway Patrol. Who remembers Highway
Patrol nineteen fifty five. I have seen it, but it
must be reruns, but I remember Roderick Crawford and little
known fat Robert Conrad was in it. Does anybody remember
what else Robert Conrad was in? Wasn't he Wild Wild
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West Guy? And Larry Hagman of Dallas was in that show?
I did not know that. I like watching old episodes
of Twilight Zone and things of that in combat as well,
because you see people in their very see actors that
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became famous in some very early rules when they were
very very young. For example, I watched season one, episode
one of A rifle Men the other day, and you
know who was in that, Dennis Hopper, a young Dennis Hopper.
So let me get back to how to lie, and
I'd like to have you continue to let me know
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about situations where you think lying is okay, and maybe
a situation where you told the truth and you wish
you hadn't. So how to tell a believable lie during
the lie itself, be confident and calm, maintain a natural,
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composed demeanor, similar to when you're telling the truth. It's
tough to do. It's tough to do, isn't it unless
you're practiced at it. And it's also tough to do
if there's a lot on the line. By the way,
never lie under oath. Just this is my personal caveat.
Don't lie under oath. That's the one time you don't
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want to be lying. And don't lie to the irs either. Okay,
this is these are interpersonal social situation lies. Control your expression.
Manage your facial expressions to maintain a believable front. I
don't know if you can actively manage them. Won't the
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other person see the ear managing your facial expressions and
say to themselves, Wow, what's wrong with that person? Why
are they managing their facial expressions? I guess just being
dead pan is the thing. Here's one that you can do,
and it's true. Don't fidget, consciously reduce fidgeting, keep your
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hands in your lap, don't touch your face, don't touch
your skin, don't scratch, don't do nervous person stuff. And
here's another one. Speak in a normal tone. Because you
have to do all this at once. It's like patt
in your head and rub in your belly, use a
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normal tone, speaking a steady comfort in the normal vocal pitch.
Here's a tricky one. And this is this is where
I would fall down on the line where I would
fail at being a liar eye contact because when you
know you're lying, you don't want to you know, you
don't want to avert gaze, so then you tend to
overcreatet overcorrect and look at the person in the eye
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like weird a weird amount. And unless you're thinking about it,
I mean ask yourself this right now, when you're speaking
to somebody, do you look them in the eye or
not see I don't know. I think I think you
kind of glaze over and just kind of look at
their face in general without pinpoint focus on the eye.
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But I can't be sure. And when you're in an interview,
by the way, how much do you look the person
in the eye and how how directly in the eye
you're like laser right in the on the eyes. Oh,
people say, be yourself, that's crazy because we all have
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a number of selves. We have our Sunday go to
meet and selves when we're hanging around with our friends selves,
we have when we're hanging around with our spouse or
our kids selves that hole. That is one of the
dumbest sayings ever. Be yourself, Just be yourself. Of course,
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many persons selves are horrific, and they should they shouldn't
be themselves at all. Now back to lying before we
get to the break, don't be too emotional, try to
appear calm. Yeah, of course that's obvious. Here's a big one.
This is something that's actually doable. The non fidgety thing
is doable. And don't over explain. I kind of got
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to that earlier. The state is simply a matter of
factly most having it be mostly the truth, with just
that one factor change swapped out for the for an untruth.
Don't over explain. And one thing I think is that
real giveaway for being a liars. When one person will
accuse somebody of something and the person doesn't say no,
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I didn't do that, They go, why would I do that?
I would never do that? What would be my motivation
for that? I'm in sense that you would even ask
the question now that to be that stinks a lie?
Why would I do that? That's a person trying too
hard now there's after the lie. I have two things
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for after the lie, and I'll get to those after
the break on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's good to have you with me as Prathagery and
I've been talking, you know, because I'm just so disheartened
about the lack of truth out there. The truth is dead.
Truth went away when Roth Walter Cronky went away, and
people don't seem to value that you're ruth and even
seem to champions super prolific liars. And so I realized
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that being able to lie well is kind of a
skill that should actually be taught in school. They should
even have workshops where you lie, just like acting workshops,
it's lying workshops. I talked to you about pre lie prepping,
and then things to do during while you're telling a lie.
There's a lot to think about. It's kind of like
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golf swing, you know, the golf swingers. Okay, keep your
head still, don't move your body, move that knee, and
do this, and you got to do everything at the
same time. It's gonna take a lot of practice till
it is second nature. You might want to practice with someone,
practice with your spouse. It's pretty cool to be a
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really good liar. Practice with your friends. Tell them crazy
things and see if you can get them to believe them. Okay,
after the lie, don't care if they believe you. That's right.
That's why that whole being incensed in saying why would
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I do that? How can you? How can you think
I would do that? It's just don't care. A truly
confident person doesn't make over over efforts to convince others
I don't care, and avoid repeating the lie. Well, I
don't know about that. This says the more you repeat
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a lie, the more can sound true due to ills
the illusory truth effect, but excessive repetition can also be
a giveaway. I see. Okay, well it depends if you
really care. Like politicians don't seem to care, they will.
They will tell lies about stuff that is shown to
be false on videotape. So the video will show one thing,
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and they would they will just say the different thing
because other A lot of people won't see the videotape.
A lot of people will say, now it's fake, the
tape is fake. I'm telling you the truth, and that
and the old adage that the bigger and crazier than
I is, as long as you say it over and over,
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it's the truth. Who was the Hitler's minister of propaganda?
Is that Goebbels? Whoever it was that was, that was
his thing. If it's big and crazy enough and you
repeated enough, repeat it enough, people will believe it. And
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here's another thing, if you're powerful enough, it is the
duty of media to report it when a president says something,
regardless of how nuts it is. And I'm not talking
about necessarily this president, any president. If a president of
our country says something, no matter how provably and observably false,
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it's the media. It's the media's duty to print it
because the president said it. So there you go. It's
kind of sad, right, but you might want to practice
it seems to be these days a valuable skill. I
want to I want to share something with you in
these final minutes. Well wait a minute, we have Dave.
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Dave Horton's going to talk to us about lying a
little bit. But after we talk to Dave, I want
to talk to you a little bit about travel tips.
Just share things I've learned and I've been traveling since
nineteen ninety a lot, and I've learned a lot. And
now I kind of want to give you some scoop.
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But let's go to Harold and Hanover. Wow, that's a
cool and that sounds like an English king, Harold of Hanover.
How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I guess I am at forem be poe English king. OK,
well that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
See, I kind of believe it.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Go ahead, I said it with enthusiasm. No, we've talked
a lot in the past. When you were on Overnight,
we had many talks about glam rock and Bowie and
t Arks and all this stuff we both love. And
I'm glad you're doing music and I'm so writing music
and it's a way to stay sane in this crazy,
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crazy world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And you just call in to say hi, that's fine.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Well about lying, I had two things. One I got
fired from a job because I wouldn't lie. I was
a car chaildren. And yes, car children do lie, and
in many ways you can't. They're very sophisticated in different places.
But I worked at the place is no longer in business.
But what they would do is in their fining. This
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department sign people up to say three point nine percent,
have them sign, you know, the agreement below the tad.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
They'd be a.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
What do you call it, you know, ero something like that,
you know, yeah, the two diven us anymore like a
blue sheet that the copy is right, and so that
they act will be six point nine percent. They'd actually
be going to the bank and paying for but they
keep the payment the same because they had extended for
forty eight months to sixty months and figuring in the
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customers not going to notice. They do, oh, we made
a mistake.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Sorry, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
God, I mean that's wildly illegal. Right, and but what
about the copy on the top says three point nine
Then the people keep that they have that right?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
No, they get all right, yeah, that's what they think
they're doing, right, because the paying their payment doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
They have the copy on the top that says it's
a three uh the original, that's not the copy. If
you keep that, you can go back to them and say, hey,
but they.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
They assume like probably it's true. Most people don't want
to be with deal with details like that. They just
want to stuff it in a drawer and then leave
it there, and they'll just make that one sixty two
dollars a month payment extra twelve months. Nothing about lying.
Oh but in a minute, I think it really depends
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on how important the person you're lying to is to you.
If you're lying to a complete stranger about something that's
really not important, I guess that's all right. But I
think the whole theory of if somebody important to you
and you can't catch them in a lie, you wonder, jeez,
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how many times do they.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Lie to me?
Speaker 7 (28:44):
And how many times are they going to lie to
me in the future? And that creates a lot of divorce.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, Yeah, that's a really good point. I guess it
depends on I suppose they are acceptable relationship lies, like
a nice cut or things that were designed to protect them.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
May you know I think with that, I think because
I'm a maybe I'm all the school, but we believe
in honesty because eventually, if things get carried to the bottom,
honesty does come out, and you can you know if
you don't. If you think someone the geens just don't
look right, or the haircut is not exactly right, you
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can put it in the put.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
It in the gray area.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
You don't give them a huge compliment but he said, well, yeah,
that's it's not bad. But I kind of like the
green jeans you had on the other day better. But
that's okay, you.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Know, I mean you can kind of like that a
little bit, so you're not just going no, those are
rugly Jenes being positive and saying I really like those
other jeanes a lot. That's very good.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I like that, Harold, you know, kind of move the.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
The main points, yeah, somewhere and because yeah, the whole
because that's probably the main reason I can only think
of the line were really when you're really trying to
spare someone's feelings.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I appreciate that, King Harold of Hannover.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
That's great, right, damn you please worship me and send
me a lot of money. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'll send you tributes there you go, Thank you, Harold.
So Glenn, you know Glenn, he Glenn's like Jimmy Hendrix.
He's like Jimmy Hendrix. Is Glenn from Bright Jimmy Henderson's
people wanted him to go last because he figured it
would be the best, best spot. And I think Glenn's jockeys.
(30:42):
He tries, he tries to call and he'll think he
gets the most time, and I think you're right this time, Glenn,
I think you probably will have a good chunk of
time to talk and to facilitate that. I'll break right
now so I don't have to interrupt you to break.
How's that for special treatment, Glenn? WBZ Night Side with
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Dan Ray.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Here's my last segment, and we go with Glenn in Brighton.
Always an interesting cats.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Hi, Glenn, I love this topic. Oh good, because.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Glenn's stamp approval. Are you a good liar, Glenn?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
If I have to be? I remember in August of
nineteen seventy five, I was in Harvard Square smoking a
joint with a bunch of guys, and all of a
sudden someone said, oh, here come the cops. And they
asked me because I had a quarter rounds on me
in my pocket. They asked me you weren't smoking weed,
were you? And of course they said no, And they,
you know, they said we I thought they were going
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to free They said, you look like a straight laced person,
so we won't do. We could risk you, but I'm
going to take your word for it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well that's good, and so did you look like a
straight laced person.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Really yeah, apparently supposedly, how old were you? Uh, well,
I'm seventy two, so I was twenty two. It was
fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That was back when Harvard Square was cool.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, they had a kiosk and you know they had
wholeless guy showing an avant Gardeen magazine. Well, I used
to hang out with the Harvard coop.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know what, you know what thing about you as
cool as you don't lie when it comes to when
I ask you questions. You're very very forthcoming and you're
not shy. You're you were sell in great detail truths
about you, truths about you, and even if they're not flattering,
you'll tell those stories. And that, my friend, is what
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makes an interesting person. Is that what havose stories and
b being secure enough to tell tell the stories in
great detail.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And you do that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's why you're a champion caller.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh that's what Steve Ravelli said about me. He told
me I shouldn't have been with sniffing glue. But other
than that, he liked my calls.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He said, you should not admit sniffing glue.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Ambellish you know, sound like I, Well, did you embellish it. Well,
I mean, even you said, this seems to be a
recurring theme when you call a meeting. When I called,
I guess at one point I kind of talked about
it a lot back.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, by the way, sniffing glue, who kills your brain dead?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's bad?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Don't do it? Well, it's really bad, and glad in
no way.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well I stopped in seventy four. I did it from
September sixty eight to March is seventy four.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I wonder how much of your brain died.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So I wonder what you've forgotten. I wonder if your
life was in any way impeded by the dead brain
that you got from sniff and glue.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I don't I mean, that's a good I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's just proof that we only use ten percent of
our brain, and lucky you, you only killed the unused.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Anyway, how did that happen? What were you thinking?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I don't know. I was with this kid who was,
oh he was a bit of a rebel roser and
he was he was always in trouble, but he got
real good grades, so he could never He said to
me the best way to be in rebel is to
get straight a's on you, greensdrop, They got.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You right, that's true. How were you in school? Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well average?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I mean, for those of you who know Glenn cannot
Glenn is legally blind, and were you blind in school
as well?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I was legally blind until nineteen seventy four, and I
lost my partial site as genetic, but not only talking
about it. It's kind of traumatic, but I wanted to
continue with my Cambridge story.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
So the guy next to me and he said to me,
don't worry, you won't go to jail because you're white.
And I said, nobody should go to jail for smoking
weed to day or legalize that. I don't care what
you want, what you look like. You know we're not
we're not we're not robbing danks, and you know we're
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not beating up women. We're just getting high and listening
to the grateful dead. I mean, but you know, and
well I was listening to the mob Vishal Orchestra. But
that's a whole nother But I mean, I had a
cassette recorder with headphones. I had a stereo mono adapter
because it was a mono machine, and I would record
my vinyl on a real system and then play it
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on my you know, just before the boom box came out,
before the walkman. Now here's what I told the truth
and regret it. I met a nice woman in December
of twenty twenty two, and we dated and through February
of twenty twenty three. I don't know how it came up,
but I made the mistake of telling her I'm a
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Trump supporter and she goes, well, I disagree with that.
Next thing, I know, I'm blocked from my cell phone
and my wayline was blocked from her phone.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Interesting, So about a week and how long did you
go out before that came up.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Well, he's three months December of twenty twenty two, January
of twenty twenty three, February of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And you must have known that she you probably could
glean from general stuff. She said that she was not
a Trump supporter.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, because she said I should put money in the
tip jar at Dunkin Donuts because because most of them
are foreigners, you want to be a respect And I said, well,
I don't like THEI it slipped.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Out of my.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
She goes, what's that mean? I said, can you go back?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
She didn't want you did not want to put money
in the tip jar.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, I asked for my change back because I know
the reason. The reason was again she said that I
should tip them because if Holwerd is trying to become
Americans or something, I don't know. And of course, me
being the wise fresh mouth that I am, I was
in one of my right wing moods. I said, I
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don't like THEI I know I shouldn't have said it,
but she got me upset.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You couldn't but keep that charade up any longer you
were fed up?
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And so how long were you going out that you
were able to keep that up? And I'm surprised.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Three months.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's a long time. I'm surprised something because in.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Late February before that, well, in late February when we
went to Dunkin Donuts, they want she said, you should
put money in the tiptar John I said, well, I said,
I don't believe in chiptars because it's not like they're
see you know, they're not. If I'm at a table
when someone's waiting on me, that's different. But they said
(38:22):
attitude of yeah. She goes, don't you want to help newcomers?
And I said, no, that's when.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I okay, So you call it a mistake, but really
it doesn't sound like you would want to be with
this person anyway. It would have been a constant.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Fight, right, yeah, eventually you right, eventually it would have.
And I thought, you know, I believe in truth and advertising.
I wanted her to know me before someone else told
her about me. That go to the trumper. In other words,
I believe in what I'm not truth. I believe in
full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I see, but only after three months.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah, and then, of course a month later I was
in the hospital. You know, I had an upper respiratory
infection in Saint Elizabeth for three weeks. And a friend
of mine called her and Sid left a message, could
you please call Glenn back? He could, and of course
she never did.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Well, there you go. Maybe you'll find someone who feels
the same way you do. Maybe you'll find him.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Well that night in my church, maga, gal, you can
hang around with yep. Yeah, and my church. The joke
about me is Glenn wants a publican woman, but who
fettled for a moderate.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Democrat that's the joke at church.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Wow, yeah, I go.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, that's interesting. Glenn. You know what, You're an interesting cat,
as I mentioned before, and you're a straight shooter. So
I'm I always it's always you respect this, Yeah I do.
The other thing I respect is this and that is man.
A lot of times when I'm crossing streets, I think,
how does Glenn do it?
Speaker 5 (40:01):
You have courage?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Just crossing the street as a blind person must be
a giant act of courage. I only have like thirty seconds.
I just want to tell you that.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Well, the spurious thing I did was a Columbus stay
weekend of nineteen seventy four, a skinny dipped on acid
in the Quincy Quarry.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, that is also a high risk activity.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Oh yeah, certainly a lot of people had.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Bad luck doing that kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Glenn. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
All the best. So whenever it is, I talk to
you again.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Okay, all right, I believe in archangel Michael. He watches
over me.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Okay, thanks Glenn. Well, you know I was going to
give you some travel tips. I didn't tease that or anything,
but I did. I did a lot of traveling and
I have these tips. But I'm not going to get
to them. Maybe I'll well, i'll save him for next time,
whenever that might be. I want to thank you so much. First,
thank you Rob Brooks. Yay Rob Brooks for making it happen.
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He gets a. And thank you to Marita, the executive
producer of night Side. Also, it's fantastic she gets it done.
And I really want to thank all you for your
genuine support and your wonderful phone calls and your company
for the previous two weeks. A true joy for me,
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and I hope you know, I hope it was fun
for you as well. So there you go. If you
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BRADLEYJ dot org. That's Bradleyjay dot org. And that's it
for me Tonight on WBZ News Radio ten thirty
It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you pas
Boston's Beech Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Al, It's time to talk about lying. Before
the break, I mentioned, hey, people to get ahead are liars.
Our leaders are liars. I don't think you can get
elected without lying. And all over the media you see
lots of lies. Well, it's time we learned how to lie.
I'm a terrible liar. First, there are and always, well
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there have been for some time instances we're lying is okay?
In addition to that, though, I'm going to teach you
how to lie as well. When do you think that
lying is okay? Six one seven, two thirty? And have
you been burned by telling them the truth? I'd like
to know Eric, and Attleborough is first. He may still
be asking a question about the previous topic of ay,
(00:51):
I will see I hope not. But Eric, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hey, good evening.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did you hear you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I sure can?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, great, Yeah, Bradley right, I've I'm glad to hear
you talk about these subjects. And I've listened to Dan show,
you know, for nearly a decade and a half and
call every now and then, and I've heard your voices
I really uh place a lot of uh. I just
(01:22):
you know, in this age of when you say about
lying and media as far as you know, spinning narratives
and so on and so forth. I mean, like Easy
Radio has always been pretty consistent.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm just trusted source, and as time goes on, you
should stick with trusted sources like WBZ. And I'm not
just saying that because I work here. So what about
have you ever had a situation where you told the
truth and you should not have?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, and yeah, I mean when I tell the truth
to people about like objective reality, like the material conditions
that we all live amongst, like live upon when our
elected officials that some people that I know have such
a Yes, I hope you can't.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I definitely don't want to make this a political thing.
So can we steer away from that?
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I can definitely stare away from that. I mean
I think it's okay to you know, like when I'm
out with uh my wife, for instance, and we've been
together for nearly ten years now, and she might bring
me to a holiday party that I really just don't
want to go to. Yeah, And I mean, you know,
(02:37):
if you know, and maybe just because I'm not in
a festive mood. It's not necessarily the people that she's
you know, at this party, but you know it comes over. Hey,
you know, Eric, you're having a good time. And yeah, yeah,
having a good time. You know, I don't want to.
I wouldn't want to. I think that's an okay time
to lie, you know, like just I mean when I
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bring it to Yankees I mean Yankees fan, so I
mean I go when I bring you to a Yankees game,
you know, I know she's not telling me the truth
like she tells me she said, having a good time,
like what I call her all the way to the
Bronx to watch the Yankees.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
But what about this?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
What about this? Make a deal with her? She does
not have to go all the way to the Bronx.
If you don't have to go to those holiday parties.
What a deal that is?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, No, We're started to have those conversations and compromises
for certain and just when when you know, one thing
you did say, like there's lives in the news and
the media, and and then your prior topic on AI
you know, I mean I had worked as a Softie
(03:42):
software engineer for nearly a decade and a half and
now work in network security and you know, as far
as like, you know, one of the very interesting things
about how the utilization of AI is being used on
a certain platform, UH that used to be called Twitter.
(04:06):
I mean, there's a lot of political consensus that's being built,
and there's an incentive is you know, incentivization program for
the content creators to basically built you know, political propaganda.
And what's very interesting, you know, is that links to
(04:26):
external sources to substantiate whatever that influencer is posting and
are not allowed like in the direct post. So someone
might see a blurb from from an influencer that says,
you know, and I'm just like you said, I'm not
getting political. I just want to use this as an example,
(04:46):
like they might say, you know, North Korea conducted one
hundred you know, missile tests, and and it's just it's
done to kind of generate consensus from you know, people
from all you know that might see that influence's post
and in the comments, they might.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Have an agenda. They might be trying to convince you
that Ukraine's UH flight is hopeless and that you should
stop sending aid. Yeah, I know, what you're saying. You're
saying that, that's what I understand. Good point, Eric, I
got limited time. I got to get to some folks,
but thank you so much for that call. Let me
whip through these examples of when it's kind of okay,
(05:33):
maybe you have some others okay to lot, spare feelings,
compliment of friends, haircut, as I mentioned, to protect, what
if a murderer comes by your house and says, you know,
where did that guy go? And you you should lie
to that murder so they don't murder. There's all kinds
of situations. I actually study this stuff in college. I
(05:55):
was a philosophy I studied philosophy and ethics and if
to be very interesting. To protect, if telling a vulnerable
person the harsh truth will crush them, softening it will
with a small ee can be compassionate, So lying to
be compassionate. However, doctors sometimes lie to soften the blow
(06:19):
of some bad news, and I don't think they should.
Another one to keep the peace family dinner, saying everything's
fine rather than starting an argument that ruins the evening. True,
there are all kinds of other cases, and if you
want to get philosophical about it, there are two ways
to look at it. There's Immanuel Kant, who has a
(06:41):
crazy dumb view of this. Sorry, sorry, Emmanuel, You're an
idiot on this one. Kant argued that lying is never
acceptable because it undermines trust. He says con says that
if murderers are looking for your brother and they come
to the door and ask where he is, that it
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is your moral duty to tell him. Otherwise, overall, in
the big picture, trust will be degraded. Yeah, that's nuts.
On the other hand, this is the John Stuart Mill
concept of utilitarianism, which has to do the greatest number.
The greatest good for the greatest number is the short
version of that, and you should according to that. You
should say whatever will result in the greatest good for
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the greatest number, which is not necessarily the truth. And
not only should you say what's good best for the
greatest number, you should act in a way that the
greatest good for the greatest number. But for the individual
it might be disastrous. There might be a case where
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doing something bad to one individual will save a bunch
of other individuals, even though that initial individual is innocent.
Utilitarianism will tell you should harm that innocent person to
save ten other innocent person. That's a toughie. We'll get
to Justin and Marlborough right after this on w b Z.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Already we go to Justin in Marlinborough and then Neil
and Watertown. First, Justin, how do you do? We're talking
about lying, When is it okay to lie? And how
to go about it?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I lie.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
In two occasions all the time, and I think it's
a better good. I grew up with the Seville speech impediment,
so now I have a unique accent and every year
my whole life, people ask me when they don't know me,
they say, where's that accent from? And if I tell
them it's from the speech impediment, they call me a liar.
(08:50):
You you you say New Zealand or well I asked
them to guess and they guess like New Zealand. I'm like, wow,
do you read mysteries? You've very deductive. They feel good
about themselves. Yes. And my other thing is I work
as a mailman and alive a mission is a wonderful
(09:12):
thing because people really dislike New Yorkers and both sides
of my family are from Brooklyn, and I have people
come up to me and said, watch out for those
new people on your route. They're from New York. I'm like,
oh no, and people I don't think so and I
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don't Yeah, so I just do a live mission. I'm like, oh,
thank you for the heads up. I don't need to
tell them I'm from New York. But I uh.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
There's two lives of a mission. And you're right, a
beautiful thing. I love what you do when they ask
you about your accent. You make them feel good by
having them guests and telling them they're right. The speech impediment,
they'd feel bad, and so every time you do that,
you save someone from feeling bad. That's cool.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So a wonderful topic of I've enjoyed you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Bye. Now there justin.
That was a good call, Neil. I'm going to get
you in a minute. But I'm going to run down
some hit hints on how to lie. As I've told
you before, I used to be a terrible liar. I'm
getting better at it. As a matter of fact, the
(10:30):
other day on the show, remember we did new stories
and I read you some new stories, and you try
to guess which ones were the fake new stories, and
I beat you on all of them, all for the
that I made up you thought were true. So I'm
getting there. As a matter of fact, maybe they should
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teach lying. If school is to help you get along
in life, there should be a course in lying. Lying
one one, lying one O two. Here we go, before
you tell a lie, before you tell a lie. I'm
looking at it. I didn't memorize this. I'm looking at
it online. Incorporate truths. A good lie contains elements of
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the truth, making it more plausible. That's right. Keep you
as much as you can true, and only the part
you need to do you change, because if somebody somebody
hears two or three things they know are true, they're
more likely to believe that part in question is true.
Keep it simple, don't get caught up in too many
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intricate details, which can unravel your story. And you hear
this on Seinfeld, But when George is lying, or maybe
Elaine's lying, those characters, by the way, despicable. The only
real Kramer is the only kind of real human Jerry,
George and Elaine so so elfish Anyway, next tip on
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how to lie, know the context, understand what the listener knows,
and how the light might lie might be disproven. That's interesting.
For example, if you're talking to somebody that is an
expert in Egyptian tomb rating, probably better not lie about that.
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Have an exit strategy, be prepared to know how to
respond if a lie is challenged. That's a lot to
think about on the spot. Right during a lie, Well,
actually I'll do during the lie. That's the stuff I
told you there was before the lif like lying prepped
coming up as during the lie. Now we go to
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Neil in Watertown.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Hi, Neil, Hello, Gladly. I have an example of when
it's all right to lie, it's actually preferable to lie.
This is from an episode of Highway Patrol. And a
young boy had stepped on a nail and he was
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in danger of dying, and his father was very nervous.
The doctor, who was very composed and a buncular and
elderly called said I want to speak to you for
a moment. He took him aside and he said, under
no conditions do you tell Jimmy that he is in
any danger. You give him the impression that he is
(13:33):
all right, that he has recovered, Otherwise he might subconsciously
give up. So that I think you have no choice
but to lie.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That's interesting though. What about you? What if you go
to see the doctor and you get diagnosed with something.
Do you want the doctor to lie to you and
paint paint an unrealistically rosy picture or do you want
to know the truth give it to me straight, doc.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Well, it's it's difficult. I use a word I think,
I know as a casual wistic. It means it's a
case by case basis, and it's difficult. And George Elliott
she goes into a long, long essay in chapter seventeen,
and Adam been and how difficult it is to tell
the truth even when you want to, because I shrink
(14:17):
from it, you know, And I'm human, So I do
believe in being good, don't get me wrong. Yeah, every
every viber of your being should try to be good
and try to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
As you think back, can you remember regretting telling the truth?
What do you wish?
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Maybe I just don't have an example. A lot of
things I did I regret about my growing up, but
I don't know if it was a lack of I
can't think of an example.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
This isn't related, But since you brought it up, what's
something you regret that you did growing up?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
All kinds of things, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You don't have anything at the top of the list.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Well, I don't know if I could share show with you,
But I mean, I'm I'm lucky. I came out of
it and I don't deserve it, but I was lucky things,
you know, I wasn't wasn't a good friend, wasn't a
good It wasn't a good son. You know, all kinds
of things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh yeah, oh my god, I regret that's a that's
a topic for another show.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Right, No, But the thing is, just try to change
it today, right yeah, try to you know, and try
to change it today. I mean, I could say I
was immature so I didn't realize it, but other kids
were more mature than I were. So but but I
just thought in that one case, I would even the
strictest definition of lie. I said, yes, you're lying, you're
(15:44):
not prevaricating, you're not you're not equivocating. You're telling the
boy that he's all right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There you go. That's a good one. I really appreciate
the call, the thoughtful calling.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Neil, thanks, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
By the way, he referenced Highway Patrol. Who remembers Highway
Patrol nineteen fifty five. I have seen it, but it
must be reruns, but I remember Roderick Crawford and little
known fat Robert Conrad was in it. Does anybody remember
what else Robert Conrad was in? Wasn't he Wild Wild
(16:17):
West Guy? And Larry Hagman of Dallas was in that show?
I did not know that. I like watching old episodes
of Twilight Zone and things of that in combat as well,
because you see people in their very see actors that
(16:37):
became famous in some very early rules when they were
very very young. For example, I watched season one, episode
one of A rifle Men the other day, and you
know who was in that, Dennis Hopper, a young Dennis Hopper.
So let me get back to how to lie, and
I'd like to have you continue to let me know
(16:59):
about situations where you think lying is okay, and maybe
a situation where you told the truth and you wish
you hadn't. So how to tell a believable lie during
the lie itself, be confident and calm, maintain a natural,
(17:20):
composed demeanor, similar to when you're telling the truth. It's
tough to do. It's tough to do, isn't it unless
you're practiced at it. And it's also tough to do
if there's a lot on the line. By the way,
never lie under oath. Just this is my personal caveat.
Don't lie under oath. That's the one time you don't
(17:42):
want to be lying. And don't lie to the irs either. Okay,
this is these are interpersonal social situation lies. Control your expression.
Manage your facial expressions to maintain a believable front. I
don't know if you can actively manage them. Won't the
(18:04):
other person see the ear managing your facial expressions and
say to themselves, Wow, what's wrong with that person? Why
are they managing their facial expressions? I guess just being
dead pan is the thing. Here's one that you can do,
and it's true. Don't fidget, consciously reduce fidgeting, keep your
(18:26):
hands in your lap, don't touch your face, don't touch
your skin, don't scratch, don't do nervous person stuff. And
here's another one. Speak in a normal tone. Because you
have to do all this at once. It's like patt
in your head and rub in your belly, use a
(18:47):
normal tone, speaking a steady comfort in the normal vocal pitch.
Here's a tricky one. And this is this is where
I would fall down on the line where I would
fail at being a liar eye contact because when you
know you're lying, you don't want to you know, you
don't want to avert gaze, so then you tend to
overcreatet overcorrect and look at the person in the eye
(19:13):
like weird a weird amount. And unless you're thinking about it,
I mean ask yourself this right now, when you're speaking
to somebody, do you look them in the eye or
not see I don't know. I think I think you
kind of glaze over and just kind of look at
their face in general without pinpoint focus on the eye.
(19:36):
But I can't be sure. And when you're in an interview,
by the way, how much do you look the person
in the eye and how how directly in the eye
you're like laser right in the on the eyes. Oh,
people say, be yourself, that's crazy because we all have
(19:58):
a number of selves. We have our Sunday go to
meet and selves when we're hanging around with our friends selves,
we have when we're hanging around with our spouse or
our kids selves that hole. That is one of the
dumbest sayings ever. Be yourself, Just be yourself. Of course,
(20:19):
many persons selves are horrific, and they should they shouldn't
be themselves at all. Now back to lying before we
get to the break, don't be too emotional, try to
appear calm. Yeah, of course that's obvious. Here's a big one.
This is something that's actually doable. The non fidgety thing
is doable. And don't over explain. I kind of got
(20:44):
to that earlier. The state is simply a matter of
factly most having it be mostly the truth, with just
that one factor change swapped out for the for an untruth.
Don't over explain. And one thing I think is that
real giveaway for being a liars. When one person will
accuse somebody of something and the person doesn't say no,
(21:08):
I didn't do that, They go, why would I do that?
I would never do that? What would be my motivation
for that? I'm in sense that you would even ask
the question now that to be that stinks a lie?
Why would I do that? That's a person trying too
hard now there's after the lie. I have two things
(21:32):
for after the lie, and I'll get to those after
the break on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's good to have you with me as Prathagery and
I've been talking, you know, because I'm just so disheartened
about the lack of truth out there. The truth is dead.
Truth went away when Roth Walter Cronky went away, and
people don't seem to value that you're ruth and even
seem to champions super prolific liars. And so I realized
(22:10):
that being able to lie well is kind of a
skill that should actually be taught in school. They should
even have workshops where you lie, just like acting workshops,
it's lying workshops. I talked to you about pre lie prepping,
and then things to do during while you're telling a lie.
There's a lot to think about. It's kind of like
(22:30):
golf swing, you know, the golf swingers. Okay, keep your
head still, don't move your body, move that knee, and
do this, and you got to do everything at the
same time. It's gonna take a lot of practice till
it is second nature. You might want to practice with someone,
practice with your spouse. It's pretty cool to be a
(22:51):
really good liar. Practice with your friends. Tell them crazy
things and see if you can get them to believe them. Okay,
after the lie, don't care if they believe you. That's right.
That's why that whole being incensed in saying why would
(23:11):
I do that? How can you? How can you think
I would do that? It's just don't care. A truly
confident person doesn't make over over efforts to convince others
I don't care, and avoid repeating the lie. Well, I
don't know about that. This says the more you repeat
(23:33):
a lie, the more can sound true due to ills
the illusory truth effect, but excessive repetition can also be
a giveaway. I see. Okay, well it depends if you
really care. Like politicians don't seem to care, they will.
They will tell lies about stuff that is shown to
be false on videotape. So the video will show one thing,
(23:56):
and they would they will just say the different thing
because other A lot of people won't see the videotape.
A lot of people will say, now it's fake, the
tape is fake. I'm telling you the truth, and that
and the old adage that the bigger and crazier than
I is, as long as you say it over and over,
(24:19):
it's the truth. Who was the Hitler's minister of propaganda?
Is that Goebbels? Whoever it was that was, that was
his thing. If it's big and crazy enough and you
repeated enough, repeat it enough, people will believe it. And
(24:39):
here's another thing, if you're powerful enough, it is the
duty of media to report it when a president says something,
regardless of how nuts it is. And I'm not talking
about necessarily this president, any president. If a president of
our country says something, no matter how provably and observably false,
(25:03):
it's the media. It's the media's duty to print it
because the president said it. So there you go. It's
kind of sad, right, but you might want to practice
it seems to be these days a valuable skill. I
want to I want to share something with you in
these final minutes. Well wait a minute, we have Dave.
(25:24):
Dave Horton's going to talk to us about lying a
little bit. But after we talk to Dave, I want
to talk to you a little bit about travel tips.
Just share things I've learned and I've been traveling since
nineteen ninety a lot, and I've learned a lot. And
now I kind of want to give you some scoop.
(25:45):
But let's go to Harold and Hanover. Wow, that's a
cool and that sounds like an English king, Harold of Hanover.
How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I guess I am at forem be poe English king. OK,
well that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
See, I kind of believe it.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Go ahead, I said it with enthusiasm. No, we've talked
a lot in the past. When you were on Overnight,
we had many talks about glam rock and Bowie and
t Arks and all this stuff we both love. And
I'm glad you're doing music and I'm so writing music
and it's a way to stay sane in this crazy,
(26:23):
crazy world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And you just call in to say hi, that's fine.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Well about lying, I had two things. One I got
fired from a job because I wouldn't lie. I was
a car chaildren. And yes, car children do lie, and
in many ways you can't. They're very sophisticated in different places.
But I worked at the place is no longer in business.
But what they would do is in their fining. This
(26:52):
department sign people up to say three point nine percent,
have them sign, you know, the agreement below the tad.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
They'd be a.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
What do you call it, you know, ero something like that,
you know, yeah, the two diven us anymore like a
blue sheet that the copy is right, and so that
they act will be six point nine percent. They'd actually
be going to the bank and paying for but they
keep the payment the same because they had extended for
forty eight months to sixty months and figuring in the
(27:28):
customers not going to notice. They do, oh, we made
a mistake.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Sorry, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
God, I mean that's wildly illegal. Right, and but what
about the copy on the top says three point nine
Then the people keep that they have that right?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
No, they get all right, yeah, that's what they think
they're doing, right, because the paying their payment doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
They have the copy on the top that says it's
a three uh the original, that's not the copy. If
you keep that, you can go back to them and say, hey,
but they.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
They assume like probably it's true. Most people don't want
to be with deal with details like that. They just
want to stuff it in a drawer and then leave
it there, and they'll just make that one sixty two
dollars a month payment extra twelve months. Nothing about lying.
Oh but in a minute, I think it really depends
(28:21):
on how important the person you're lying to is to you.
If you're lying to a complete stranger about something that's
really not important, I guess that's all right. But I
think the whole theory of if somebody important to you
and you can't catch them in a lie, you wonder, jeez,
(28:42):
how many times do they.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Lie to me?
Speaker 7 (28:44):
And how many times are they going to lie to
me in the future? And that creates a lot of divorce.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, Yeah, that's a really good point. I guess it
depends on I suppose they are acceptable relationship lies, like
a nice cut or things that were designed to protect them.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
May you know I think with that, I think because
I'm a maybe I'm all the school, but we believe
in honesty because eventually, if things get carried to the bottom,
honesty does come out, and you can you know if
you don't. If you think someone the geens just don't
look right, or the haircut is not exactly right, you
(29:30):
can put it in the put.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
It in the gray area.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
You don't give them a huge compliment but he said, well, yeah,
that's it's not bad. But I kind of like the
green jeans you had on the other day better. But
that's okay, you.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Know, I mean you can kind of like that a
little bit, so you're not just going no, those are
rugly Jenes being positive and saying I really like those
other jeanes a lot. That's very good.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I like that, Harold, you know, kind of move the.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
The main points, yeah, somewhere and because yeah, the whole
because that's probably the main reason I can only think
of the line were really when you're really trying to
spare someone's feelings.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I appreciate that, King Harold of Hannover.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
That's great, right, damn you please worship me and send
me a lot of money. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I'll send you tributes there you go, Thank you, Harold.
So Glenn, you know Glenn, he Glenn's like Jimmy Hendrix.
He's like Jimmy Hendrix. Is Glenn from Bright Jimmy Henderson's
people wanted him to go last because he figured it
would be the best, best spot. And I think Glenn's jockeys.
(30:42):
He tries, he tries to call and he'll think he
gets the most time, and I think you're right this time, Glenn,
I think you probably will have a good chunk of
time to talk and to facilitate that. I'll break right
now so I don't have to interrupt you to break.
How's that for special treatment, Glenn? WBZ Night Side with
(31:04):
Dan Ray.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Here's my last segment, and we go with Glenn in Brighton.
Always an interesting cats.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Hi, Glenn, I love this topic. Oh good, because.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Glenn's stamp approval. Are you a good liar, Glenn?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
If I have to be? I remember in August of
nineteen seventy five, I was in Harvard Square smoking a
joint with a bunch of guys, and all of a
sudden someone said, oh, here come the cops. And they
asked me because I had a quarter rounds on me
in my pocket. They asked me you weren't smoking weed,
were you? And of course they said no, And they,
you know, they said we I thought they were going
(31:48):
to free They said, you look like a straight laced person,
so we won't do. We could risk you, but I'm
going to take your word for it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well that's good, and so did you look like a
straight laced person.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Really yeah, apparently supposedly, how old were you? Uh, well,
I'm seventy two, so I was twenty two. It was
fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That was back when Harvard Square was cool.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, they had a kiosk and you know they had
wholeless guy showing an avant Gardeen magazine. Well, I used
to hang out with the Harvard coop.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know what, you know what thing about you as
cool as you don't lie when it comes to when
I ask you questions. You're very very forthcoming and you're
not shy. You're you were sell in great detail truths
about you, truths about you, and even if they're not flattering,
you'll tell those stories. And that, my friend, is what
(32:49):
makes an interesting person. Is that what havose stories and
b being secure enough to tell tell the stories in
great detail.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And you do that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's why you're a champion caller.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Oh that's what Steve Ravelli said about me. He told
me I shouldn't have been with sniffing glue. But other
than that, he liked my calls.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He said, you should not admit sniffing glue.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Ambellish you know, sound like I, Well, did you embellish it. Well,
I mean, even you said, this seems to be a
recurring theme when you call a meeting. When I called,
I guess at one point I kind of talked about
it a lot back.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, by the way, sniffing glue, who kills your brain dead?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's bad?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Don't do it? Well, it's really bad, and glad in
no way.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well I stopped in seventy four. I did it from
September sixty eight to March is seventy four.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I wonder how much of your brain died.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So I wonder what you've forgotten. I wonder if your
life was in any way impeded by the dead brain
that you got from sniff and glue.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
I don't I mean, that's a good I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's just proof that we only use ten percent of
our brain, and lucky you, you only killed the unused.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Anyway, how did that happen? What were you thinking?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I don't know. I was with this kid who was,
oh he was a bit of a rebel roser and
he was he was always in trouble, but he got
real good grades, so he could never He said to
me the best way to be in rebel is to
get straight a's on you, greensdrop, They got.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You right, that's true. How were you in school? Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well average?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I mean, for those of you who know Glenn cannot
Glenn is legally blind, and were you blind in school
as well?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I was legally blind until nineteen seventy four, and I
lost my partial site as genetic, but not only talking
about it. It's kind of traumatic, but I wanted to
continue with my Cambridge story.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
So the guy next to me and he said to me,
don't worry, you won't go to jail because you're white.
And I said, nobody should go to jail for smoking
weed to day or legalize that. I don't care what
you want, what you look like. You know we're not
we're not we're not robbing danks, and you know we're
(35:35):
not beating up women. We're just getting high and listening
to the grateful dead. I mean, but you know, and
well I was listening to the mob Vishal Orchestra. But
that's a whole nother But I mean, I had a
cassette recorder with headphones. I had a stereo mono adapter
because it was a mono machine, and I would record
my vinyl on a real system and then play it
(35:58):
on my you know, just before the boom box came out,
before the walkman. Now here's what I told the truth
and regret it. I met a nice woman in December
of twenty twenty two, and we dated and through February
of twenty twenty three. I don't know how it came up,
but I made the mistake of telling her I'm a
(36:20):
Trump supporter and she goes, well, I disagree with that.
Next thing, I know, I'm blocked from my cell phone
and my wayline was blocked from her phone.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Interesting, So about a week and how long did you
go out before that came up.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Well, he's three months December of twenty twenty two, January
of twenty twenty three, February of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And you must have known that she you probably could
glean from general stuff. She said that she was not
a Trump supporter.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, because she said I should put money in the
tip jar at Dunkin Donuts because because most of them
are foreigners, you want to be a respect And I said, well,
I don't like THEI it slipped.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Out of my.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
She goes, what's that mean? I said, can you go back?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
She didn't want you did not want to put money
in the tip jar.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, I asked for my change back because I know
the reason. The reason was again she said that I
should tip them because if Holwerd is trying to become
Americans or something, I don't know. And of course, me
being the wise fresh mouth that I am, I was
in one of my right wing moods. I said, I
(37:38):
don't like THEI I know I shouldn't have said it,
but she got me upset.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You couldn't but keep that charade up any longer you
were fed up?
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And so how long were you going out that you
were able to keep that up? And I'm surprised.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Three months.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's a long time. I'm surprised something because in.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Late February before that, well, in late February when we
went to Dunkin Donuts, they want she said, you should
put money in the tiptar John I said, well, I said,
I don't believe in chiptars because it's not like they're
see you know, they're not. If I'm at a table
when someone's waiting on me, that's different. But they said
(38:22):
attitude of yeah. She goes, don't you want to help newcomers?
And I said, no, that's when.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I okay, So you call it a mistake, but really
it doesn't sound like you would want to be with
this person anyway. It would have been a constant.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Fight, right, yeah, eventually you right, eventually it would have.
And I thought, you know, I believe in truth and advertising.
I wanted her to know me before someone else told
her about me. That go to the trumper. In other words,
I believe in what I'm not truth. I believe in
full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I see, but only after three months.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah, and then, of course a month later I was
in the hospital. You know, I had an upper respiratory
infection in Saint Elizabeth for three weeks. And a friend
of mine called her and Sid left a message, could
you please call Glenn back? He could, and of course
she never did.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Well, there you go. Maybe you'll find someone who feels
the same way you do. Maybe you'll find him.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Well that night in my church, maga, gal, you can
hang around with yep. Yeah, and my church. The joke
about me is Glenn wants a publican woman, but who
fettled for a moderate.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Democrat that's the joke at church.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Wow, yeah, I go.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, that's interesting. Glenn. You know what, You're an interesting cat,
as I mentioned before, and you're a straight shooter. So
I'm I always it's always you respect this, Yeah I do.
The other thing I respect is this and that is man.
A lot of times when I'm crossing streets, I think,
how does Glenn do it?
Speaker 5 (40:01):
You have courage?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Just crossing the street as a blind person must be
a giant act of courage. I only have like thirty seconds.
I just want to tell you that.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Well, the spurious thing I did was a Columbus stay
weekend of nineteen seventy four, a skinny dipped on acid
in the Quincy Quarry.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, that is also a high risk activity.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Oh yeah, certainly a lot of people had.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Bad luck doing that kind of thing.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Glenn. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
All the best. So whenever it is, I talk to
you again.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Okay, all right, I believe in archangel Michael. He watches
over me.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Okay, thanks Glenn. Well, you know I was going to
give you some travel tips. I didn't tease that or anything,
but I did. I did a lot of traveling and
I have these tips. But I'm not going to get
to them. Maybe I'll well, i'll save him for next time,
whenever that might be. I want to thank you so much. First,
thank you Rob Brooks. Yay Rob Brooks for making it happen.
(40:59):
He gets a. And thank you to Marita, the executive
producer of night Side. Also, it's fantastic she gets it done.
And I really want to thank all you for your
genuine support and your wonderful phone calls and your company
for the previous two weeks. A true joy for me,
(41:21):
and I hope you know, I hope it was fun
for you as well. So there you go. If you
want to get in touch with me or if you
want to follow me more closely. BRADLEYJ.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Dot org.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
BRADLEYJ dot org. That's Bradleyjay dot org. And that's it
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