September 19, 2025 • 40 mins
A little over a month ago, President Trump met with Russian President Putin in Alaska with hopes of making progress towards an eventual peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. After the meeting Trump said it was very productive, yet roughly a month later not much progress has been made towards reaching a peace deal, with Trump saying, Putin “let me down.” Do you think Putin is playing Trump? Will we see some sort of end to the ongoing war in Ukraine, anytime soon?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to change topics. And I've been thinking about
this topic for some time, and I think it is
long overdue. It was five weeks ago today, I believe
that President Trump and Soviet President Vladimir Putin met at
the US air base in Alaska. And if you remember
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the news conference that they held after the meeting, they
were not very anxious to talk, but it took no questions,
if you remember that, and both the President and Putin
assured us that some progress had been made. Well, I
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said at the time, don't listen to what Putin says.
See what happened, see what he does in the next
couple of days. And just as after President Trump bombed
the nuclear sites in Iran, Iran was very quiet and
they have they have not, I believe, fired a missile
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anywhere in any direction sense. Putin was just the opposite.
He renewed the bombing of Ukraine, including Kiev and including
some other cities. Uh. It just has not let up. Uh,
and which which causes me to think that all along
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Putin was just playing President Trump, playing him for time now.
The President was asked about that yesterday as he came back, UH,
while he was in Europe, and then when he came
back from Europe, uh and and this is what he
had to say. He put the blame on Putin and Zelenski. Now,
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I assumed that he had some sense of the feelings
that existed between Putin and Zelenski because they've been at
war now for over two and a half years and
a lot of deaths on both sides. But this is
what the president said yesterday when he was asked about
what's going on in terms of peace talks in Ukraine.
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This is cut number ten rup.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm very disappointed in that. I thought that would be
the easiest of all of them to get done, and
it turns out to be the most difficult.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
The relationship between.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
President Putin and President Zelensky is a horrible one. I mean,
you know, a lot to do with relationships.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They truly dislike each other.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I want to use that word rather than a stronger word,
but they really do.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
They hate each other.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And we'll see what happens. I think we're going to
get a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, you can think you're going to get a solution,
but at this point, since five weeks ago, there have
been a lot of people who had died on both sides,
I think that probably there have been more casualties in Ukraine.
He also again, this was from yesterday. This has cut
ten A. It's a little longer, but the president is not.
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He's weighing his words carefully here. But I do think
that down deep, if you put him on sodium pentathol,
he would say, yeah, Putin played him. Putin got everything
he wanted. He got the red carpet welcome, he got
the nice pictures with Donald Trump, he got the sit down,
and nothing has changed for the Ukrainian people, all for
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the Russian people. Cut ten A rub.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm very honored to tell you that we've solved seven wars.
Seven wars. Wars that were unsolvable, wolves that couldn't be
negotiated or done. We've done. The US has done seven
of them. The one that I thought would be easiest
would be because of my relationship with President Boutin. But
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he's let me down. He's really let me down. It's
going to be Russia and Ukraine. But we'll see how
that turns out. But that turned out to be I
thought it might be among the easiest of the group.
But we settled just about every conflict, and as you know,
we're working very hard on Israel and Gaza. Oh that's
happening over there. Complex, But it's gonna be. It's gonna
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get done. We'll get done right and likewise Russia and
Ukraine will get done. But you never know. In war,
you know, war is a different thing. Things happen that
are very opposite of what you thought. You thought you
were gonna have an easy time or a hard time,
and it turns out to be the reverse.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I think at that point, he's just talking for the
sake of talking, and he's trying to give an answer
or non answer to a question. And then let's go
back to August ahead of the Alaska meeting and just
notice the tone of voice and a level of optimism
which obviously wasn't well Baid wasn't well founded. Cut one
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h three rup.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because of a certain relationship that he has with me
running this country. He really, I believe now he's convinced
that he's going to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He's going to make a deal.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I think he's going to and we're going to find out.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
The second meeting is going to be very very important.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
This meeting sets up it's like a chess game. This
meeting sets up the second meeting, but.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There is a twenty five percent chance that this meeting
will not be a successful meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well that was the twenty five percent chance. Now, Republicans
in the Senate, some of them are very strong supporters
of Donald Trump, have essentially said what I'm saying, that
Putin played the president and that sanctions have to be
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increased on Putin and on Russia. Last cut, rob one four.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Russia's planning, I really plan is like a piano right now.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's gotten everything he wants.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
He's gotten access to the President with a red carpet reception.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
I think it is time to move on Russia's sanctions.
President Trump wants to make sure that he is giving
every opportunity for peace to get this war resolved. But
Putin is playing him right now. And I think the
President understands.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
That he's been week on Russia. I think he's been
great on Iran, but he has been terrible on Russia.
He is unable to call Putin out as the invader
and have a more moral clarity about who's a fall
in this war.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Those are Senator Ton Tillis from North Carolina, who's not
standing for reelection. He's no friend of the president, although
he's a Republican. Senator Joni Ernstein Iowa big supporter and
Senator Don Bacon I believe he's from Nebraska, also supporter
of the president. So I want to open it up.
Are you surprised. I mean, there was such optimism as
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you heard in the last SoundBite of President Trump back
in mid August, in advance of the meeting that did
take place in Alaska. But there's there's nothing that has
happened in the last thirty five days which has given
me any pause for optimism. I don't think that anyone
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is optimistic. This war is just grinding on and it's
like a meat grinder. And whatever goodwill Donald Trump had
with Vladimir Putin, I think from Putin's perspective, it didn't exist.
And now it is time to ramp up those sanctions.
And unfortunately you have to sanction the company, You have
to sanction the countries that are purchasing oil from Russia
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and from Putin, because without that he would run out
of money to conduct the war. That's what the whole
question of sanctions is all about. India is a big
purchaser of Russian oil. You saw the pictures. I think
it was about a week ago of Prime Minister Modi
of India with the President of Russia and with Ajizi ping.
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So it's complicated. I understand that it's not easy. But
at this point seven weeks seven, well five weeks out,
thirty five days out, unless there's something that the President
is not telling us, I think it is time now
to go full ugly on Vladimir Putin, and that would
be imposing sanctions on their their oil deal, because without
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sales of oil, Russia has very little left six very
little left to fight the war in Ukraine, which has
become a nasty, dirty war. Six one seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Those lines were open to the other line
six one seven nine. I have some smart callers who
are going there first. I like that only lines open
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six one, seven thirty. Has Putin played Donald Trump? I
think the answer to that is yes. And does Donald
Trump deserve any blame for Putin playing him? I'm not sure.
I want to say that yes. I think that that
Donald Trump has a lot of confidence uh in his
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ability the art of the deal, but it didn't work
here with Vladimir Putin, and I'm not sure that it
will work going forward. Let's get the phones up and
then at eleven we go to the twentieth hour, and
I have a softer topic to play for to deal
with at eleven and we'll get you to the weekend,
coming back on Nightside. Right after this, you're on night
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Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. All right,
let's go to the phone. It's going to go to
Grant in Belmont. Grant, you were first this hour and
Night's Side has vlat Me have putin played Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
Good evening, Dan, thanks for taking the call. This is
such an important topic. I think it's more than just
playing Donald Trump. I think the conversation from the American
leadership is not even focused on the right topic. We
are looking at the rise of the bricks, the overthrow
of the petro dollar, and the collapse of American hegemony
and influence on the world scene. It is a crisis.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, how do you get to that point? I understand
what you're saying, Just just fill fill in the blanks
a little bit. You've got to the conclusion. Tell me
what takes you to that conclusion.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Well, I've been I think you can look at China's
tactical investment with the Belton Road in Africa and the
pursuit of rarer at minerals. You can look at Saudi
Arabia's geopositioning after the Abrams accord to be more aligned,
sort of an influential in the air in the region.
And then of course the ever present threat of Russia
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with their military and the way they they're pursuing, not
just expansion of the agendas in Ukraine. I think they're
going for Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, and they're trying to
get kolin Ingrad back with a land bridge to Russia.
That's what I see Putin doing here.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I I agree with you. I do see that, and
I think that particularly with the Belt Road that the
Chinese are developing. I do think that the Trump administration
is going to be more reactive, uh and more and
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ahead of the curve more than the Biden administration was.
They think the Biden administration was a disaster. Biden. The
Biden administration allowed Putin to mass the troops on the
Ukrainian border, and if you remember, President Biden said I
have one word, don't Well they did, and uh, I
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think I hope you're not blaming Donald Trump at this
point for where we are. If anything, I think he
has tried to build up the military, which was in
a great deal of disrepear. I think you got to
you criticize him for a lot of things, but I
think that his intention is to build up the US military.
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He also has NATO forces actually now paying their dues.
He was looking for upwards of two percent. He's getting
five percent. He's done very well in that regard. I
hope you agree with that. If you don't feel free.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
No, absolutely, and thank you for that, Dan. I support
President Trump as to his geostrategic expansion of American military
influence for precisely that reason. I don't look at this
as President Trump's war, but I look at the preservation
of American real politique influence on the international scene as
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President Trump's duty. I think he's living up to it.
But we have to realize the threat posed by the bricks,
the threat posed by international and domestic communism, and the
threat posed by Russia's military, and if we don't, we
are going to lose the influence that made this country great.
And I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I agree, and by the way, I'm just curious. Please,
if the question hits too close to home. It sounds
to me like you've really studied this. I assume that
either you follow it very closely, or maybe you may
even work in a related field.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
I do a little bit of journalism, and I think
what made me call into I was I saw a
quote from President Putin. I translated from Russian English for you.
It said, from yesterday, I am concerned that we are
sliding towards World War three. I say this without any irony.
The global conflict potential is enormous and continues to grow.
I am speaking with absolute sincerity. So I think, yes,
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I follow it, but I also see us heading towards
an inflection point, and I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, it troubles me that Putin would articulate that, because
that sounds to me like the ravings of a lunatic
that has his back against the wall. I don't think
that Putin. I think he would be insane if he
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wanted to get involved in a world war with the
United States. If that's what he's implying, maybe he is
more sick physically than we're led to believe. But that
is a worrisome comment and thank you for drawing it
to our attention, of.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Course, and I agree with you. Anyone who's thinking about
going to war with the United States should understand that
our military is bigger than the next five countries combined.
We don't want to fight, but if you bring it
to us, we will win.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We also saw what Trump did do with President Trump
did do with Iran. I know that there was a
lot of second guessing. There almost seemed to be some
people who were rooting, well, he really didn't destroy the centrifuge,
as he didn't destroy the uranium. It looks to me
like those planes were pretty effective in delivering their payload
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against the Iranian nuclear facilities.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, I won't be taking any trips through that part
of Iran.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Let me me neither. Thank you great, appreciate a great call.
Let me go to Harvey Silverglade. Harvey, welcome back tonight's side.
How are you. I'm talking with you last night. Glad
to have you back.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I hope I don't wear out. I'm welcome.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You would never wear out. You're welcome with me, Harvey Silverglade.
You were a great guest last night, and I'm sure
you're gonna have some comments that people will want to
listen to tonight on this very different topic.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Trump's problem in dealing with Putin is that Trump doesn't
read enough history, doesn't know enough history. Anybody familiar with
history would recognize that Trump wants to rebuild the Soviet
Union and his own model is a fellow named Joseph Stalin.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You misspoke, you you said anyone who would understand that
Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet And you said Trump.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Of course, Putin his role model is Joseph Stalin, and
he wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire. And that's why
he is fiddling around with NATO, That's why he is
h His aggression is is directed towards the Eastern Europe.
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You want to know, ask a fellow named Navalny. Of course,
he can't speak any he gets rid of he gets
rid of his enemies. Exactly is Stalin. You know, Stalin
had a secret police chief who said, uh, what was it?
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He show me the show me the man, I'll show
you the crime, right.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Sure, yeah, absolutely. And by the way, just to support
your point, Putin has been quoted recently as just a
few years ago that the greatest disaster of the twentieth
century was the disillusion of the Soviet Union. That is
a recent recent comment that Putin has made it's out
there for everyone to see.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And he won. And you know, the Russia has a
Soviet Union has a long history of betrayal. There was
Hitler's Allies until Hitler attacked them, and then suddenly they
were part of They joined the West. They were batters,
were liable as the New England weather.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I don't give them a lot of credit for that
because I think that that you know, Hitler and Stalin
were birds of a feather, and when they started World
War World War two on September one, nineteen thirty nine,
we think of it as Pearl Harbor. No, the war
was going on two years and three or four months
before the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. We need to remember
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that and understand that.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But but the Soviet Union switched sides, Yes, what.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
They wanted to be with the winner, and and of
course they they enabled Hitler to take over much of
Eastern Europe, which eventually they inherited as a result of Yalta.
So I would hope Trump would understand that, Harvey, But
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I would hope there would be people around him who
would reinforced that those sacks.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I mean, I don't think Trump has read a lot
of history, but surely somebody around You know, my paternal
grandmother was a refugee from Russia, and she knows the history,
the bloody history of the Czars and.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Of course, she's of course passed away, but she is
to tell how grandchildren about the horrors of Russia. So
this is nothing new. They be legal to Russian people. Uh,
they have gone through hell and high water for centuries
from Bizars that they can'ts There was a very brief
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period of the Khrushchev for what was called Glasnows and
that that didn't last very long. This is a beleaguered
country and that they're they're they're actually they're very smart.
They have there's a lot of brains in Russia, but
unfortunately their government for centuries has interfered with the development
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of that the legal country.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well, if it hadn't been for Gorbachev, you know, Russia
would not have dissolved. And there was a relationship between
Reagan and Gorbachev which paved the way for Yeltson and
eventually the collapse of the Iron Curtain and freedom in
Eastern Europe. So that again I think that I think
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that maybe maybe Donald Trump will figure it out in
the next few weeks that he's being played because there's
being there's been no progress, and he can blame Zelenski
and Putin, but he has injected himself into the equation
right now, and so he as time goes on, is
going to have more and more. I have to assume
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more and more for responsibility for what happens or what
doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Harvey, I had a case and Bob it was Craig
Whitney of the New York Times wrote a book about this.
I will send you the.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Book, Okay, all right, my friend. Will not be the
first book you've sent me, and I appreciate it very much,
my friend, Harvey Silverglade. We've got to take a quick break, Harve,
you have a great weekend. We'll talk soon. Okay, thank
you much, great, bye bye bye. We will take a
quick break. It is ten thirty two, so I'm a
little bit late here for the news. At the bottom
of the hour, I have David and Ken and Charlie
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uh and I got room for you. I got one
line at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten
thirty and one line at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We are heading toward eleven o'clock. At eleven o'clock,
we will do what we always do, and that is
kick back and relax. We're going to do a twentieth hour.
Someone suggested today, and I think it's a good suggestion
that perhaps, with fall about to arrive within the next
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seventy two hours, we're going to ask you what your
favorite fall food is and what about fall do you
look forward to? For me, not much, but maybe some
of you can pick up my spirits with summer ending.
Uh six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven nineth three one ten thirty. Back right after this,
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it's Night Side with.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Thank you very much, Emma. Nice to hear your voice.
Let's keep rolling here and see what people think we're
talking about. What has not gone on in Ukraine or
what has gone on? There's been no cessation in hostilities.
The war is just as hot as it was the
day before President Trump and President Putin met in Alaska.
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Nothing has happened, at least nothing that is good has happened.
Has Vladimir Putin played, Donald Trump, I say, yes, I'd
love to know what you think. Charlie is in main, Charlie,
you next on nightside. Welcome Charlie.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Are you there? Yes? Come here?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh good Charlie. Good to know you there. I thought
you might have drifted off on us.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Go right ahead, sir, your thoughts, yes, I believe Yeah,
mister Trump, he got played, and mister Putin he probably
chuckled all the ways down the red cop But Alaska.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Okay, So now, if you were Donald Trump's top foreign
policy advisor, what would you suggest he do from this
point forward?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Stop trying to put the spin on it and blame
the other parties for not coming through.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, well that's but that doesn't That doesn't move the
ball forward. It's maybe no, it doesn't an acknowledgement. What
would you do? What would you advise him to do
to move the ball forward?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I would put pressure on the Natal countries to reinforce
their commitment to protecting their their territory.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There so already done that, he's he's he's he's forced
them to contribute five percent of their gross national product
to their NATO dews. So so what what what's next?
What's your next move.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I'm not sure what the next move is because you
don't want to know, don't want it to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, now that's that. Now we're getting to the heart
of the matter. Okay, So now we're we're we're drilling
down on a cavity and we're getting a little close
to the nerve here. One of the options he has
is to begin to impose sanctions on countries who are
still buying oil from Russia, particularly India, uh, which many
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you know had hoped would come into our sphere of influence.
But right now India seems to be more in the
sphere of influence of Russia.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Uh, which which might I would think, Uh, you know,
he's been talking about this for the last month, and
I think that he just, you know, should turn around
and put the sanctions on him, you know, no more hesitation,
because it's obvious that mister Puttin his goals is to
rebuild the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You know, Yep, he said he said it. Well, he
said so, I mean as much as said so. He said,
the greatest political disaster of the twentieth century was the
dissolution of the Soviet Union. Do you think Trump would
do that? There is some danger. There is some danger
involved in that.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
There's always going to be a danger when you, yeah,
you try to squeeze somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So if someone said to me yesterday, is what you
since you invoked the imagery is suee of squeeze? As
someone said, is the squeeze worth worth the juice? I mean,
is the squeeze worth the risk? I guess would be
the way I would describe it.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I guess that's what.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Point unless we're going to give up Ukraine, it has
to be.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, what what's not going to happen that we would
give up with Ukraine?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
No, Well, the problem is if we don't do something
significant which cuts putins of money supply off, I think
eventually Russia takes and it destroys Ukraine. I mean the
Ukraine has has has absorbed this pounding. But Charlie again,
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I think we've highlighted the delimit. He failed that he
finds himself in and I think he thought he could
charm Putin and I think the trauma offensive has not worked,
and we've watched.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Him in five weeks. It's time for the sanctions.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, Hey, Charlie, appreciate your call very much. Thanks. Have
you called before? This is your first time?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
No, I haven't, this is my first time.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Thank you very much. You have to do the first
time calls a round of applause. How far up in Maine?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Are you in Naples? Originally my first sixty five years
are in the Boston area.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So now you've retired to Maine and we're available for
you five nights a week, Monday through f eight to midnight.
And I really appreciate im. Looking forward to your second call.
All right, take care, Thank you, Charlie, had a great night.
All right, we're going to go next to who am
I going to go to?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Here?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'm going to go to Dave who next day line.
Dave is in Beverly. David, you were next to the nightside.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
Welcome, Hi, good evening, Dan. Yes, I wanted to say
I'm a better myself. Sixteen years in the US Army,
I was stationed all my time overseas. I was there
when Ukraine, thank you, it's my honor. I was stationed
in Germany and when Ukraine was invaded the first time
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by the Russians.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Hungary fourteen when they went into frontmea.
Speaker 10 (27:31):
Yes, that's correct. There was a big riote. We were
watching the news in Germany and this is almost like
a civil war at the start of it. But we
got stationed in Hungary because Hungary requested NITO support as
they thought that they were next. So we got stationed
there for a month's wait to see who he's been
kicked over to us. But we started hearing things from
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the locals about the whole situation of they knew Putin
his goal after Goblet and trusted him to do it.
And he was told because they had a documentary on this,
and they were showing us that he told Putin to
protect Russia and he took that as to restore the USSR.
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And I think we're doing a little bit too much
talking now. Ukraine's running out of military capable men. They're
getting commed right now. There's a lot of I know
people they're fighting along Ukraine with their feign legion, but
a lot of people are saying that they saw what
happened in Georgia when Tabilisi was invaded and NATO and
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its allies in the United States and Deborce didn't do much.
It was all talk, just solidarity support and I think
they took that like if they go into the Ukraine
that the same thing will happen. Their policies and restrictions
and they'll go all diplomatic.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And Irae is not now no likely to become a
member of NATO. Uh, And so we had no obligations
if if he were to invent and he had planes
up I guess over Estonia or a Lafia today and
I believe he had some planes up that we're in
Polish airspace, that would would kick off some some military
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action by NATO. But boy, it's a it's a tough
it's a tough spot here.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, it's well.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
The other thing is too a lot of our allies
and we had assist unit with the loofoffer, and amongst
the soldiers there's a bit of talk like are you
really There was a feeling of them sort of questioning us,
like are you really going to back us? Because of
the first time that Trump gave to many of our
allies before they started paying their share, uh, they thought
they were going to be abandoned. And some people are
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tiptoeing like if we move forward with any type of aid.
When the British were in the French were talking about
sending troops into Ukraine, which would probably be the better
idea if we started this off in the as soon
as they showed aggression and coming in and to set
up a small force to say hey, we're here, you
go back to your side and we'll go back to
our side. But they let it carry on and it's
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to the point of no return right now, both economies.
We have thirty seven and a half what trillion dollars
almost in debt the United States alone. The bricks is forming.
You're trying to push China in Russia to make all
these deals, not buy the oil from Russia, which is
their lifeline, just like Venezuela when they're the oil dollar collapsed,
so their economy it's all chaotic. But that's why they
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form bricks. And the whole point of the bricks is
to have the alliance where US can't bully them. And
this is going to be a problem because they're already
showing like India right now, they already said they're sticking
with Russia for the oil with China. Actually in China,
they just announced that they're going to be building a
huge natural gas pipeline from the northern part of Russia
into China, and it's supposed to have over a twenty
(30:55):
year deal for L and G. So I don't see
that stopping. But I think we've we've tiptoed around it
too much with talking sanctions. And that's another thing. The
sanctions aren't working in Russia. You can still buy Western things.
They just change the names, like to really put sanctions
through the Western companies like Coca Cola, and there used
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to be the genes there, Levy's. They've all changed names,
but they're still there in the presence. Their economy is
not as crippled as you think it is. Not a
lot of people pulled out when they said they were
pulling out.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So if they're gonna go, US corporations kind of kind
of established, you know, subsidiaries in Russia. Uh And and
the money eventually falls back to US corporation. So yeah,
this is this, This involves military aggression, it involves economics.
Uh And nobody can afford to make a mistake and
fire off some big missile because the other side has
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plenty of big missiles.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
So well, the thing that worries me the most is
Russia's war doctrine. They feel threatened, their war doctrine is
it's not like ours. Their command officers that are in
the new player sector there that are in charge of
the ballistic missiles, if they've already been given the order.
Because when we were over there, they were already doing
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national drills for new clear tests. They were showing people
what to eat with the store. They actually had drills
of their signs go off. They're prepared for it, and
their doctrine says, if they feel threatened or they feel
that they're going to lose something and creama which is
very important to their navy, and if they lose that,
they're going to feel tactically threatened. It could result into
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a tactical strike. And that's what worries me because we're
cornering people right now and it's again, it's to the
point where it's almost no returns. It's not looking good
at the way it is right now.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, I think your viewpoint is pretty dystopian, but I
think it's pretty realistic at the same time. So look,
thank you very much for your service sixteen years overseas
a lot of postings. We need to listen carefully to
what you and I appreciate you taking the time to call.
Have you called before, David?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yes, I've called a couple of times in the past.
When I get a chance to, I try to turn
the radio when they can get out of work in time.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, you know, please join us any night, either as
a listener, but even more importantly as a caller, because
your perspective is one that is involves a lot of experience,
and your time in Hungary and and other other points
over there. I'd love to have benefit of that experience.
Thanks David, appreciate your call.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Thank you have a good idea you.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Too, Okay, got Kennon Waltham is coming up next, and
we got a little bit of time if you'd like
to join us. We uh, we will stop this conversation
and get a little lighter beginning right after the eleven
o'clock news. But for now I got lines at six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty or six one, seven, nine, three one
ten thirty. Feel free to join us. Love to know
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what you think. Has been glad to be a putin
played Donald Trump. I don't begarage Trump meeting with him,
but I would have hoped that they would have gotten
more substantive promise out of Putin, And I think when
I watched that so called news conference, which was really
simply bilateral statements, no questions, that said a lot to
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me as well as their body language. It was not
anything that I think Donald Trump took out of there
that he felt was successful. We'll be back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It's Nightside with.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
All right, let me go to Ken in Maltam. Ken,
appreciate your patience. Next on Nightside. Your thoughts, my friend.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Well, Dan, I've been saying since Trump got into office
that I thought his efforts would fail. That the only
answer is similar to Afghanistan when Carter was president, that
we're just going to have to wait this out and
support Ukraine until Russia gives up or till Ukraine loses. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So so here's my here's my question. And again I
know that you're not a fan of Trump. Biden was
a disaster in terms of allowing Putin to go in
uh and simply saying don't. So that's the situation that
Trump inherits. I think he took a shot in Alaska.
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I think he failed miserably, but I'm glad he took
the shot. Just in case somehow Putin would have done
the right thing. So anything he can do at this point.
I mean, obviously he's talking about the secondary sanctions. He's
talked about that a lot. He hasn't pulled the trigger
on that. I'd like him to see. I would like
to see him pull the trigger. Do you think I'm
I'm getting into into a minefield by doing that?
Speaker 9 (35:44):
No, No, he can pull the trigger on that. And
I think one of the problems with Alaska was that
that just gave you know, a Bob Putin more time
for Trump not to pull the trigger. You know, there
was a discussion that he was going to pull that
trigger before. Yeah, and uh so, you know, everything Trump's efforts.
I mean, if I thought Trump knew what he was doing,
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maybe meeting with Selensky would be or with Putin would
be okay, But he doesn't. I mean his chewing out
of Selinsky. He shut off intelligence to Ukraine for a
week in my view, to try and bully Selensky into agreements.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, but he had. He's gone back, he's gone back
over to clearly he's supporting Selensky at this point. I mean,
it's it's almost like he was scolding a teenager to
get him back in line. Maybe he was looking to
get some good faith with Putin. I don't know what
game he thought he was playing there, but it didn't work.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
It was it's it's all, yeah, I'm looking at results.
I mean, I think, you know, Biden before the war
had the best intentions. I'm not going to argue with
you that he was a disaster. So Trump. First all,
I don't think Trump necessarily had the best intentions. I
think he wanted you know, he kept saying steel. I've
been calling it a surrender deal. I think Trump has
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just been trying to get a peace price. But independent
of that, it's been a disaster. And I think after
the war, Biden, I mean, I give all the credit
ninety eight percent of the credit to Ukraine and Zolensky,
but I'll give two percent to Biden for sticking behind
Zolensky one hundred percent and you know, continuing to supply them.
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And I think bringing NATO together, you know, I mean
NATO is now coming up with five percent, like like
Poland is doing it because I think they're first of all,
scared the death of a Russian invasion, and also because
I think they see the US is not being trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
But Biden wasn't the one who brought the hammer down
for the five percent. That was Trump. You got to
give Trump credit for that. He's he talked about that
in his first term, and he's talked about it in
a second term.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
I'll give him credit for in the first term. In
the second term, I think part of the reason why
Europe has putting so much more money into defense is
because they don't see the US as a trustworthy They're scared.
They don't see US as a trustworthy partner anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Maybe if they had ponied up more money or Russia
would have backed off. You don't know. I mean, we
are where we are. Let's hope that he does some things.
I don't blame him for taking the meeting. There's no
reason not to have taken the meeting. I blame him
for probably raising the expectations in advance, and when I
played the sound bite earlier, I think the expectations were raised.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
You know, there's I see when Trump rolled out the
red carton red carpet for Putin. Yeah, my vision, my
vision is there's no leader of Hamas anymore. I think
they're run by a committee what if he had done
that for Hamas, for Hamas leadership. Hey, let's try and
work a deal out here.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, well, I don't think he ever would have
done that with Hamas because one Hamas. I mean, the
fact of the matter is that Putin is a major power.
If he if right, if he you know, I don't
blame him from doing that. I mean it's you know,
I don't blame him for shaky hands and smiling. Obviously
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he's trying to make something work. Didn't work, didn't work.
I'm gonna try to sneak one more in here for
a few seconds. Ken has always really greatful. Thank you,
thank you much. Tina. You're late. I'm gonna give you
I don't know, maybe about thirty seconds. What do you
want to say?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Okay, I wasn't gonna call, but now sign been listening
to this hour. I don't know what the endgame is.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I don't think anyone does. I don't think anyone does.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I don't need the World War two United States, the
Allies in Russia.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
We defeated Germany. Who's the enemy year? How do you
defeat it?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
There's a lot of enemies here, and you know what,
next time we take up this topic. You call earlier,
and I will expound on that. But I got the
eleven o'clock news, and I got a twentyth hour coming
by on the other side, Tina. Always lovely to hear
you voice. Thank you so much, great questions. Okay, thanks,
thank you so much. Sleep sleep well, don't worry. We'll
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be okay. And we'll be okay right after the eleven.
I want to know what are you looking forward to
in the fall, either your favorite thing to do in
the fall or your favorite fall food. What are you
looking forward to? Let's get positive, coming back on night side,
I want to change topics. And I've been thinking about
this topic for some time, and I think it is
long overdue. It was five weeks ago today, I believe
that President Trump and Soviet President Vladimir Putin met at
the US air base in Alaska. And if you remember
(00:23):
the news conference that they held after the meeting, they
were not very anxious to talk, but it took no questions,
if you remember that, and both the President and Putin
assured us that some progress had been made. Well, I
(00:49):
said at the time, don't listen to what Putin says.
See what happened, see what he does in the next
couple of days. And just as after President Trump bombed
the nuclear sites in Iran, Iran was very quiet and
they have they have not, I believe, fired a missile
(01:10):
anywhere in any direction sense. Putin was just the opposite.
He renewed the bombing of Ukraine, including Kiev and including
some other cities. Uh. It just has not let up. Uh,
and which which causes me to think that all along
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Putin was just playing President Trump, playing him for time now.
The President was asked about that yesterday as he came back, UH,
while he was in Europe, and then when he came
back from Europe, uh and and this is what he
had to say. He put the blame on Putin and Zelenski. Now,
(01:58):
I assumed that he had some sense of the feelings
that existed between Putin and Zelenski because they've been at
war now for over two and a half years and
a lot of deaths on both sides. But this is
what the president said yesterday when he was asked about
what's going on in terms of peace talks in Ukraine.
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This is cut number ten rup.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm very disappointed in that. I thought that would be
the easiest of all of them to get done, and
it turns out to be the most difficult.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
The relationship between.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
President Putin and President Zelensky is a horrible one. I mean,
you know, a lot to do with relationships.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They truly dislike each other.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I want to use that word rather than a stronger word,
but they really do.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
They hate each other.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And we'll see what happens. I think we're going to
get a solution.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, you can think you're going to get a solution,
but at this point, since five weeks ago, there have
been a lot of people who had died on both sides,
I think that probably there have been more casualties in Ukraine.
He also again, this was from yesterday. This has cut
ten A. It's a little longer, but the president is not.
(03:15):
He's weighing his words carefully here. But I do think
that down deep, if you put him on sodium pentathol,
he would say, yeah, Putin played him. Putin got everything
he wanted. He got the red carpet welcome, he got
the nice pictures with Donald Trump, he got the sit down,
and nothing has changed for the Ukrainian people, all for
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the Russian people. Cut ten A rub.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm very honored to tell you that we've solved seven wars.
Seven wars. Wars that were unsolvable, wolves that couldn't be
negotiated or done. We've done. The US has done seven
of them. The one that I thought would be easiest
would be because of my relationship with President Boutin. But
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he's let me down. He's really let me down. It's
going to be Russia and Ukraine. But we'll see how
that turns out. But that turned out to be I
thought it might be among the easiest of the group.
But we settled just about every conflict, and as you know,
we're working very hard on Israel and Gaza. Oh that's
happening over there. Complex, But it's gonna be. It's gonna
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get done. We'll get done right and likewise Russia and
Ukraine will get done. But you never know. In war,
you know, war is a different thing. Things happen that
are very opposite of what you thought. You thought you
were gonna have an easy time or a hard time,
and it turns out to be the reverse.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I think at that point, he's just talking for the
sake of talking, and he's trying to give an answer
or non answer to a question. And then let's go
back to August ahead of the Alaska meeting and just
notice the tone of voice and a level of optimism
which obviously wasn't well Baid wasn't well founded. Cut one
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h three rup.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because of a certain relationship that he has with me
running this country. He really, I believe now he's convinced
that he's going to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He's going to make a deal.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I think he's going to and we're going to find out.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
The second meeting is going to be very very important.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
This meeting sets up it's like a chess game. This
meeting sets up the second meeting, but.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There is a twenty five percent chance that this meeting
will not be a successful meeting.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well that was the twenty five percent chance. Now, Republicans
in the Senate, some of them are very strong supporters
of Donald Trump, have essentially said what I'm saying, that
Putin played the president and that sanctions have to be
(05:58):
increased on Putin and on Russia. Last cut, rob one four.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Russia's planning, I really plan is like a piano right now.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's gotten everything he wants.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
He's gotten access to the President with a red carpet reception.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
I think it is time to move on Russia's sanctions.
President Trump wants to make sure that he is giving
every opportunity for peace to get this war resolved. But
Putin is playing him right now. And I think the
President understands.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
That he's been week on Russia. I think he's been
great on Iran, but he has been terrible on Russia.
He is unable to call Putin out as the invader
and have a more moral clarity about who's a fall
in this war.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Those are Senator Ton Tillis from North Carolina, who's not
standing for reelection. He's no friend of the president, although
he's a Republican. Senator Joni Ernstein Iowa big supporter and
Senator Don Bacon I believe he's from Nebraska, also supporter
of the president. So I want to open it up.
Are you surprised. I mean, there was such optimism as
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you heard in the last SoundBite of President Trump back
in mid August, in advance of the meeting that did
take place in Alaska. But there's there's nothing that has
happened in the last thirty five days which has given
me any pause for optimism. I don't think that anyone
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is optimistic. This war is just grinding on and it's
like a meat grinder. And whatever goodwill Donald Trump had
with Vladimir Putin, I think from Putin's perspective, it didn't exist.
And now it is time to ramp up those sanctions.
And unfortunately you have to sanction the company, You have
to sanction the countries that are purchasing oil from Russia
(07:55):
and from Putin, because without that he would run out
of money to conduct the war. That's what the whole
question of sanctions is all about. India is a big
purchaser of Russian oil. You saw the pictures. I think
it was about a week ago of Prime Minister Modi
of India with the President of Russia and with Ajizi ping.
(08:19):
So it's complicated. I understand that it's not easy. But
at this point seven weeks seven, well five weeks out,
thirty five days out, unless there's something that the President
is not telling us, I think it is time now
to go full ugly on Vladimir Putin, and that would
be imposing sanctions on their their oil deal, because without
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sales of oil, Russia has very little left six very
little left to fight the war in Ukraine, which has
become a nasty, dirty war. Six one seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Those lines were open to the other line
six one seven nine. I have some smart callers who
are going there first. I like that only lines open
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six one, seven thirty. Has Putin played Donald Trump? I
think the answer to that is yes. And does Donald
Trump deserve any blame for Putin playing him? I'm not sure.
I want to say that yes. I think that that
Donald Trump has a lot of confidence uh in his
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ability the art of the deal, but it didn't work
here with Vladimir Putin, and I'm not sure that it
will work going forward. Let's get the phones up and
then at eleven we go to the twentieth hour, and
I have a softer topic to play for to deal
with at eleven and we'll get you to the weekend,
coming back on Nightside. Right after this, you're on night
(09:48):
Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. All right,
let's go to the phone. It's going to go to
Grant in Belmont. Grant, you were first this hour and
Night's Side has vlat Me have putin played Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
Good evening, Dan, thanks for taking the call. This is
such an important topic. I think it's more than just
playing Donald Trump. I think the conversation from the American
leadership is not even focused on the right topic. We
are looking at the rise of the bricks, the overthrow
of the petro dollar, and the collapse of American hegemony
and influence on the world scene. It is a crisis.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, how do you get to that point? I understand
what you're saying, Just just fill fill in the blanks
a little bit. You've got to the conclusion. Tell me
what takes you to that conclusion.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
Well, I've been I think you can look at China's
tactical investment with the Belton Road in Africa and the
pursuit of rarer at minerals. You can look at Saudi
Arabia's geopositioning after the Abrams accord to be more aligned,
sort of an influential in the air in the region.
And then of course the ever present threat of Russia
(11:01):
with their military and the way they they're pursuing, not
just expansion of the agendas in Ukraine. I think they're
going for Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, and they're trying to
get kolin Ingrad back with a land bridge to Russia.
That's what I see Putin doing here.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I I agree with you. I do see that, and
I think that particularly with the Belt Road that the
Chinese are developing. I do think that the Trump administration
is going to be more reactive, uh and more and
(11:38):
ahead of the curve more than the Biden administration was.
They think the Biden administration was a disaster. Biden. The
Biden administration allowed Putin to mass the troops on the
Ukrainian border, and if you remember, President Biden said I
have one word, don't Well they did, and uh, I
(12:00):
think I hope you're not blaming Donald Trump at this
point for where we are. If anything, I think he
has tried to build up the military, which was in
a great deal of disrepear. I think you got to
you criticize him for a lot of things, but I
think that his intention is to build up the US military.
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He also has NATO forces actually now paying their dues.
He was looking for upwards of two percent. He's getting
five percent. He's done very well in that regard. I
hope you agree with that. If you don't feel free.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
No, absolutely, and thank you for that, Dan. I support
President Trump as to his geostrategic expansion of American military
influence for precisely that reason. I don't look at this
as President Trump's war, but I look at the preservation
of American real politique influence on the international scene as
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President Trump's duty. I think he's living up to it.
But we have to realize the threat posed by the bricks,
the threat posed by international and domestic communism, and the
threat posed by Russia's military, and if we don't, we
are going to lose the influence that made this country great.
And I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I agree, and by the way, I'm just curious. Please,
if the question hits too close to home. It sounds
to me like you've really studied this. I assume that
either you follow it very closely, or maybe you may
even work in a related field.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
I do a little bit of journalism, and I think
what made me call into I was I saw a
quote from President Putin. I translated from Russian English for you.
It said, from yesterday, I am concerned that we are
sliding towards World War three. I say this without any irony.
The global conflict potential is enormous and continues to grow.
I am speaking with absolute sincerity. So I think, yes,
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I follow it, but I also see us heading towards
an inflection point, and I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, it troubles me that Putin would articulate that, because
that sounds to me like the ravings of a lunatic
that has his back against the wall. I don't think
that Putin. I think he would be insane if he
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wanted to get involved in a world war with the
United States. If that's what he's implying, maybe he is
more sick physically than we're led to believe. But that
is a worrisome comment and thank you for drawing it
to our attention, of.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Course, and I agree with you. Anyone who's thinking about
going to war with the United States should understand that
our military is bigger than the next five countries combined.
We don't want to fight, but if you bring it
to us, we will win.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We also saw what Trump did do with President Trump
did do with Iran. I know that there was a
lot of second guessing. There almost seemed to be some
people who were rooting, well, he really didn't destroy the centrifuge,
as he didn't destroy the uranium. It looks to me
like those planes were pretty effective in delivering their payload
(15:08):
against the Iranian nuclear facilities.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, I won't be taking any trips through that part
of Iran.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Let me me neither. Thank you great, appreciate a great call.
Let me go to Harvey Silverglade. Harvey, welcome back tonight's side.
How are you. I'm talking with you last night. Glad
to have you back.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I hope I don't wear out. I'm welcome.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You would never wear out. You're welcome with me, Harvey Silverglade.
You were a great guest last night, and I'm sure
you're gonna have some comments that people will want to
listen to tonight on this very different topic.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Trump's problem in dealing with Putin is that Trump doesn't
read enough history, doesn't know enough history. Anybody familiar with
history would recognize that Trump wants to rebuild the Soviet
Union and his own model is a fellow named Joseph Stalin.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You misspoke, you you said anyone who would understand that
Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet And you said Trump.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Of course, Putin his role model is Joseph Stalin, and
he wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire. And that's why
he is fiddling around with NATO, That's why he is
h His aggression is is directed towards the Eastern Europe.
(16:36):
You want to know, ask a fellow named Navalny. Of course,
he can't speak any he gets rid of he gets
rid of his enemies. Exactly is Stalin. You know, Stalin
had a secret police chief who said, uh, what was it?
(16:57):
He show me the show me the man, I'll show
you the crime, right.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Sure, yeah, absolutely. And by the way, just to support
your point, Putin has been quoted recently as just a
few years ago that the greatest disaster of the twentieth
century was the disillusion of the Soviet Union. That is
a recent recent comment that Putin has made it's out
there for everyone to see.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And he won. And you know, the Russia has a
Soviet Union has a long history of betrayal. There was
Hitler's Allies until Hitler attacked them, and then suddenly they
were part of They joined the West. They were batters,
were liable as the New England weather.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I don't give them a lot of credit for that
because I think that that you know, Hitler and Stalin
were birds of a feather, and when they started World
War World War two on September one, nineteen thirty nine,
we think of it as Pearl Harbor. No, the war
was going on two years and three or four months
before the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. We need to remember
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that and understand that.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But but the Soviet Union switched sides, Yes, what.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
They wanted to be with the winner, and and of
course they they enabled Hitler to take over much of
Eastern Europe, which eventually they inherited as a result of Yalta.
So I would hope Trump would understand that, Harvey, But
(18:36):
I would hope there would be people around him who
would reinforced that those sacks.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I mean, I don't think Trump has read a lot
of history, but surely somebody around You know, my paternal
grandmother was a refugee from Russia, and she knows the history,
the bloody history of the Czars and.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Of course, she's of course passed away, but she is
to tell how grandchildren about the horrors of Russia. So
this is nothing new. They be legal to Russian people. Uh,
they have gone through hell and high water for centuries
from Bizars that they can'ts There was a very brief
(19:25):
period of the Khrushchev for what was called Glasnows and
that that didn't last very long. This is a beleaguered
country and that they're they're they're actually they're very smart.
They have there's a lot of brains in Russia, but
unfortunately their government for centuries has interfered with the development
(19:49):
of that the legal country.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well, if it hadn't been for Gorbachev, you know, Russia
would not have dissolved. And there was a relationship between
Reagan and Gorbachev which paved the way for Yeltson and
eventually the collapse of the Iron Curtain and freedom in
Eastern Europe. So that again I think that I think
(20:16):
that maybe maybe Donald Trump will figure it out in
the next few weeks that he's being played because there's
being there's been no progress, and he can blame Zelenski
and Putin, but he has injected himself into the equation
right now, and so he as time goes on, is
going to have more and more. I have to assume
(20:36):
more and more for responsibility for what happens or what
doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Harvey, I had a case and Bob it was Craig
Whitney of the New York Times wrote a book about this.
I will send you the.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Book, Okay, all right, my friend. Will not be the
first book you've sent me, and I appreciate it very much,
my friend, Harvey Silverglade. We've got to take a quick break, Harve,
you have a great weekend. We'll talk soon. Okay, thank
you much, great, bye bye bye. We will take a
quick break. It is ten thirty two, so I'm a
little bit late here for the news. At the bottom
of the hour, I have David and Ken and Charlie
(21:15):
uh and I got room for you. I got one
line at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten
thirty and one line at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We are heading toward eleven o'clock. At eleven o'clock,
we will do what we always do, and that is
kick back and relax. We're going to do a twentieth hour.
Someone suggested today, and I think it's a good suggestion
that perhaps, with fall about to arrive within the next
(21:37):
seventy two hours, we're going to ask you what your
favorite fall food is and what about fall do you
look forward to? For me, not much, but maybe some
of you can pick up my spirits with summer ending.
Uh six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven nineth three one ten thirty. Back right after this,
(22:00):
it's Night Side with.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Thank you very much, Emma. Nice to hear your voice.
Let's keep rolling here and see what people think we're
talking about. What has not gone on in Ukraine or
what has gone on? There's been no cessation in hostilities.
The war is just as hot as it was the
day before President Trump and President Putin met in Alaska.
(22:27):
Nothing has happened, at least nothing that is good has happened.
Has Vladimir Putin played, Donald Trump, I say, yes, I'd
love to know what you think. Charlie is in main, Charlie,
you next on nightside. Welcome Charlie.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Are you there? Yes? Come here?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh good Charlie. Good to know you there. I thought
you might have drifted off on us.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Go right ahead, sir, your thoughts, yes, I believe Yeah,
mister Trump, he got played, and mister Putin he probably
chuckled all the ways down the red cop But Alaska.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Okay, So now, if you were Donald Trump's top foreign
policy advisor, what would you suggest he do from this
point forward?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Stop trying to put the spin on it and blame
the other parties for not coming through.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, well that's but that doesn't That doesn't move the
ball forward. It's maybe no, it doesn't an acknowledgement. What
would you do? What would you advise him to do
to move the ball forward?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I would put pressure on the Natal countries to reinforce
their commitment to protecting their their territory.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There so already done that, he's he's he's he's forced
them to contribute five percent of their gross national product
to their NATO dews. So so what what what's next?
What's your next move.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I'm not sure what the next move is because you
don't want to know, don't want it to be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, now that's that. Now we're getting to the heart
of the matter. Okay, So now we're we're we're drilling
down on a cavity and we're getting a little close
to the nerve here. One of the options he has
is to begin to impose sanctions on countries who are
still buying oil from Russia, particularly India, uh, which many
(24:23):
you know had hoped would come into our sphere of influence.
But right now India seems to be more in the
sphere of influence of Russia.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Uh, which which might I would think, Uh, you know,
he's been talking about this for the last month, and
I think that he just, you know, should turn around
and put the sanctions on him, you know, no more hesitation,
because it's obvious that mister Puttin his goals is to
rebuild the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You know, Yep, he said he said it. Well, he
said so, I mean as much as said so. He said,
the greatest political disaster of the twentieth century was the
dissolution of the Soviet Union. Do you think Trump would
do that? There is some danger. There is some danger
involved in that.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
There's always going to be a danger when you, yeah,
you try to squeeze somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So if someone said to me yesterday, is what you
since you invoked the imagery is suee of squeeze? As
someone said, is the squeeze worth worth the juice? I mean,
is the squeeze worth the risk? I guess would be
the way I would describe it.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I guess that's what.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Point unless we're going to give up Ukraine, it has
to be.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, what what's not going to happen that we would
give up with Ukraine?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
No, Well, the problem is if we don't do something
significant which cuts putins of money supply off, I think
eventually Russia takes and it destroys Ukraine. I mean the
Ukraine has has has absorbed this pounding. But Charlie again,
(26:09):
I think we've highlighted the delimit. He failed that he
finds himself in and I think he thought he could
charm Putin and I think the trauma offensive has not worked,
and we've watched.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Him in five weeks. It's time for the sanctions.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, Hey, Charlie, appreciate your call very much. Thanks. Have
you called before? This is your first time?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
No, I haven't, this is my first time.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Thank you very much. You have to do the first
time calls a round of applause. How far up in Maine?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Are you in Naples? Originally my first sixty five years
are in the Boston area.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So now you've retired to Maine and we're available for
you five nights a week, Monday through f eight to midnight.
And I really appreciate im. Looking forward to your second call.
All right, take care, Thank you, Charlie, had a great night.
All right, we're going to go next to who am
I going to go to?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Here?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'm going to go to Dave who next day line.
Dave is in Beverly. David, you were next to the nightside.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
Welcome, Hi, good evening, Dan. Yes, I wanted to say
I'm a better myself. Sixteen years in the US Army,
I was stationed all my time overseas. I was there
when Ukraine, thank you, it's my honor. I was stationed
in Germany and when Ukraine was invaded the first time
(27:26):
by the Russians.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Hungary fourteen when they went into frontmea.
Speaker 10 (27:31):
Yes, that's correct. There was a big riote. We were
watching the news in Germany and this is almost like
a civil war at the start of it. But we
got stationed in Hungary because Hungary requested NITO support as
they thought that they were next. So we got stationed
there for a month's wait to see who he's been
kicked over to us. But we started hearing things from
(27:52):
the locals about the whole situation of they knew Putin
his goal after Goblet and trusted him to do it.
And he was told because they had a documentary on this,
and they were showing us that he told Putin to
protect Russia and he took that as to restore the USSR.
(28:13):
And I think we're doing a little bit too much
talking now. Ukraine's running out of military capable men. They're
getting commed right now. There's a lot of I know
people they're fighting along Ukraine with their feign legion, but
a lot of people are saying that they saw what
happened in Georgia when Tabilisi was invaded and NATO and
(28:37):
its allies in the United States and Deborce didn't do much.
It was all talk, just solidarity support and I think
they took that like if they go into the Ukraine
that the same thing will happen. Their policies and restrictions
and they'll go all diplomatic.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And Irae is not now no likely to become a
member of NATO. Uh, And so we had no obligations
if if he were to invent and he had planes
up I guess over Estonia or a Lafia today and
I believe he had some planes up that we're in
Polish airspace, that would would kick off some some military
(29:19):
action by NATO. But boy, it's a it's a tough
it's a tough spot here.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, it's well.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
The other thing is too a lot of our allies
and we had assist unit with the loofoffer, and amongst
the soldiers there's a bit of talk like are you
really There was a feeling of them sort of questioning us,
like are you really going to back us? Because of
the first time that Trump gave to many of our
allies before they started paying their share, uh, they thought
they were going to be abandoned. And some people are
(29:47):
tiptoeing like if we move forward with any type of aid.
When the British were in the French were talking about
sending troops into Ukraine, which would probably be the better
idea if we started this off in the as soon
as they showed aggression and coming in and to set
up a small force to say hey, we're here, you
go back to your side and we'll go back to
our side. But they let it carry on and it's
(30:09):
to the point of no return right now, both economies.
We have thirty seven and a half what trillion dollars
almost in debt the United States alone. The bricks is forming.
You're trying to push China in Russia to make all
these deals, not buy the oil from Russia, which is
their lifeline, just like Venezuela when they're the oil dollar collapsed,
so their economy it's all chaotic. But that's why they
(30:31):
form bricks. And the whole point of the bricks is
to have the alliance where US can't bully them. And
this is going to be a problem because they're already
showing like India right now, they already said they're sticking
with Russia for the oil with China. Actually in China,
they just announced that they're going to be building a
huge natural gas pipeline from the northern part of Russia
into China, and it's supposed to have over a twenty
(30:55):
year deal for L and G. So I don't see
that stopping. But I think we've we've tiptoed around it
too much with talking sanctions. And that's another thing. The
sanctions aren't working in Russia. You can still buy Western things.
They just change the names, like to really put sanctions
through the Western companies like Coca Cola, and there used
(31:17):
to be the genes there, Levy's. They've all changed names,
but they're still there in the presence. Their economy is
not as crippled as you think it is. Not a
lot of people pulled out when they said they were
pulling out.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So if they're gonna go, US corporations kind of kind
of established, you know, subsidiaries in Russia. Uh And and
the money eventually falls back to US corporation. So yeah,
this is this, This involves military aggression, it involves economics.
Uh And nobody can afford to make a mistake and
fire off some big missile because the other side has
(31:50):
plenty of big missiles.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
So well, the thing that worries me the most is
Russia's war doctrine. They feel threatened, their war doctrine is
it's not like ours. Their command officers that are in
the new player sector there that are in charge of
the ballistic missiles, if they've already been given the order.
Because when we were over there, they were already doing
(32:12):
national drills for new clear tests. They were showing people
what to eat with the store. They actually had drills
of their signs go off. They're prepared for it, and
their doctrine says, if they feel threatened or they feel
that they're going to lose something and creama which is
very important to their navy, and if they lose that,
they're going to feel tactically threatened. It could result into
(32:33):
a tactical strike. And that's what worries me because we're
cornering people right now and it's again, it's to the
point where it's almost no returns. It's not looking good
at the way it is right now.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, I think your viewpoint is pretty dystopian, but I
think it's pretty realistic at the same time. So look,
thank you very much for your service sixteen years overseas
a lot of postings. We need to listen carefully to
what you and I appreciate you taking the time to call.
Have you called before, David?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yes, I've called a couple of times in the past.
When I get a chance to, I try to turn
the radio when they can get out of work in time.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, you know, please join us any night, either as
a listener, but even more importantly as a caller, because
your perspective is one that is involves a lot of experience,
and your time in Hungary and and other other points
over there. I'd love to have benefit of that experience.
Thanks David, appreciate your call.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Thank you have a good idea you.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Too, Okay, got Kennon Waltham is coming up next, and
we got a little bit of time if you'd like
to join us. We uh, we will stop this conversation
and get a little lighter beginning right after the eleven
o'clock news. But for now I got lines at six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty or six one, seven, nine, three one
ten thirty. Feel free to join us. Love to know
(33:53):
what you think. Has been glad to be a putin
played Donald Trump. I don't begarage Trump meeting with him,
but I would have hoped that they would have gotten
more substantive promise out of Putin, And I think when
I watched that so called news conference, which was really
simply bilateral statements, no questions, that said a lot to
(34:18):
me as well as their body language. It was not
anything that I think Donald Trump took out of there
that he felt was successful. We'll be back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It's Nightside with.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
All right, let me go to Ken in Maltam. Ken,
appreciate your patience. Next on Nightside. Your thoughts, my friend.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Well, Dan, I've been saying since Trump got into office
that I thought his efforts would fail. That the only
answer is similar to Afghanistan when Carter was president, that
we're just going to have to wait this out and
support Ukraine until Russia gives up or till Ukraine loses. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So so here's my here's my question. And again I
know that you're not a fan of Trump. Biden was
a disaster in terms of allowing Putin to go in
uh and simply saying don't. So that's the situation that
Trump inherits. I think he took a shot in Alaska.
(35:21):
I think he failed miserably, but I'm glad he took
the shot. Just in case somehow Putin would have done
the right thing. So anything he can do at this point.
I mean, obviously he's talking about the secondary sanctions. He's
talked about that a lot. He hasn't pulled the trigger
on that. I'd like him to see. I would like
to see him pull the trigger. Do you think I'm
I'm getting into into a minefield by doing that?
Speaker 9 (35:44):
No, No, he can pull the trigger on that. And
I think one of the problems with Alaska was that
that just gave you know, a Bob Putin more time
for Trump not to pull the trigger. You know, there
was a discussion that he was going to pull that
trigger before. Yeah, and uh so, you know, everything Trump's efforts.
I mean, if I thought Trump knew what he was doing,
(36:07):
maybe meeting with Selensky would be or with Putin would
be okay, But he doesn't. I mean his chewing out
of Selinsky. He shut off intelligence to Ukraine for a
week in my view, to try and bully Selensky into agreements.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, but he had. He's gone back, he's gone back
over to clearly he's supporting Selensky at this point. I mean,
it's it's almost like he was scolding a teenager to
get him back in line. Maybe he was looking to
get some good faith with Putin. I don't know what
game he thought he was playing there, but it didn't work.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
It was it's it's all, yeah, I'm looking at results.
I mean, I think, you know, Biden before the war
had the best intentions. I'm not going to argue with
you that he was a disaster. So Trump. First all,
I don't think Trump necessarily had the best intentions. I
think he wanted you know, he kept saying steel. I've
been calling it a surrender deal. I think Trump has
(37:02):
just been trying to get a peace price. But independent
of that, it's been a disaster. And I think after
the war, Biden, I mean, I give all the credit
ninety eight percent of the credit to Ukraine and Zolensky,
but I'll give two percent to Biden for sticking behind
Zolensky one hundred percent and you know, continuing to supply them.
(37:23):
And I think bringing NATO together, you know, I mean
NATO is now coming up with five percent, like like
Poland is doing it because I think they're first of all,
scared the death of a Russian invasion, and also because
I think they see the US is not being trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
But Biden wasn't the one who brought the hammer down
for the five percent. That was Trump. You got to
give Trump credit for that. He's he talked about that
in his first term, and he's talked about it in
a second term.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
I'll give him credit for in the first term. In
the second term, I think part of the reason why
Europe has putting so much more money into defense is
because they don't see the US as a trustworthy They're scared.
They don't see US as a trustworthy partner anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Maybe if they had ponied up more money or Russia
would have backed off. You don't know. I mean, we
are where we are. Let's hope that he does some things.
I don't blame him for taking the meeting. There's no
reason not to have taken the meeting. I blame him
for probably raising the expectations in advance, and when I
played the sound bite earlier, I think the expectations were raised.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
You know, there's I see when Trump rolled out the
red carton red carpet for Putin. Yeah, my vision, my
vision is there's no leader of Hamas anymore. I think
they're run by a committee what if he had done
that for Hamas, for Hamas leadership. Hey, let's try and
work a deal out here.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, well, I don't think he ever would have
done that with Hamas because one Hamas. I mean, the
fact of the matter is that Putin is a major power.
If he if right, if he you know, I don't
blame him from doing that. I mean it's you know,
I don't blame him for shaky hands and smiling. Obviously
(39:10):
he's trying to make something work. Didn't work, didn't work.
I'm gonna try to sneak one more in here for
a few seconds. Ken has always really greatful. Thank you,
thank you much. Tina. You're late. I'm gonna give you
I don't know, maybe about thirty seconds. What do you
want to say?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Okay, I wasn't gonna call, but now sign been listening
to this hour. I don't know what the endgame is.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I don't think anyone does. I don't think anyone does.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I don't need the World War two United States, the
Allies in Russia.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
We defeated Germany. Who's the enemy year? How do you
defeat it?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
There's a lot of enemies here, and you know what,
next time we take up this topic. You call earlier,
and I will expound on that. But I got the
eleven o'clock news, and I got a twentyth hour coming
by on the other side, Tina. Always lovely to hear
you voice. Thank you so much, great questions. Okay, thanks,
thank you so much. Sleep sleep well, don't worry. We'll
(40:06):
be okay. And we'll be okay right after the eleven.
I want to know what are you looking forward to
in the fall, either your favorite thing to do in
the fall or your favorite fall food. What are you
looking forward to? Let's get positive, coming back on night side,
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