June 18, 2025 • 36 mins
After 21 hours of deliberations, the jury in the Karen Read murder trial found Karen Read not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of her boyfriend John O’Keefe. However, the jury did find Read guilty of OUI, which was a lesser charge that was added to the verdict slip for the second trial. Judge Beverly Cannone sentenced Read to one year probation after the verdict was announced. Read will be sentenced at a later court date. The lines were open for comment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BES Boston's video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Kyle. Let's keep rolling here as
we continue to talk about the decision today by the
Karen Reid jury acquitted on all of the major counts,
convicted on operating under the influence, which was the least
serious serious charge, nonetheless, but the least serious. She was
facing murder, manslaughter, and leaving the scene of an accident
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in which there was a death. Back to the phones,
we go, going to go to Mike and Lawrence. Mike,
I appreciate your patience. You've been holding on for a while.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You go right ahead, Yeah, listen, I just want to
verify Patty's call last night.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
By the way, you're on speakerphone right, No, I don't
think so. No, Now you're holding the mouthpiece closer you were,
you were holding the mouthpiece away. I want to hear
what you have to say, so speak right into that
mouthpiece place.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Go ahead, Okay, Is that all right?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's better?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Okay, Well, Patty said that in a TV interview, Reeds
said that she asked, you, Nettie, what if I ran
over his foot or clipped him? Janetti's responded you still
be culpable. Okay. Weeks later, in another TV interview, she
was asked directly, did you see him walk into the house?
(01:28):
She said, yes, I did. How can you ask if
you clicked them or right over his foot when he's
in the house.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, those are not mutually exclusive. I mean, if let
us say she thought that she heard a you know,
have you ever run over something with your car? Mike?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Why would she be asking him that?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, first of all, I'm taking I'm taking your word
for it, so I'm accepting the premise of your question.
So here's my answer. Okay, So, have you ever run
over or hit the curb with your car or maybe
bumped your car on something and you got out to
make sure that there was no ever had that experience
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or no?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, okay, Fine. So let's assume that he gets out
of the car and she's backing up this. You know,
you're asking me a hypothetical question. I'm giving you a
hypothetical answer. And let's assume that she thought she did
did I bump him? Did I did I hit him?
She might have waited to leave in that circumstance, just
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to make sure that he could make it in the house,
that he wasn't limping, or he got in the house
and might have set her mind at ease. I'm I'm
just trying to respond to your hypothetical with hypothetical hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And she saw him go in the house with more
than she'd be concerned real quick, Uh, I have a net.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
People?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Were its actually in Texas with you? The best words
of the word trial trials.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I don't know what you're doing with you, Mike.
I don't know what you're doing with your phone. But
here's what you sound like. I'm hearing you very clearly
that all of a sudden your phone goes away, then
you come back and I hear you, and then the
phone goes away. So just hold the phone if you're
not on a speakerphone and walking around the room, hold
your phone if the mouthpiece in front of your mouth,
and go ahead, start that last sentence over so I
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can hear you totally.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay. What he said is whenever he stood out of
the trial, he said, look, I mean to be found
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but not beyond all doubt.
That statement was never made.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
What well, why would it? The standard is? Is you
the prosecution has to prove the elements of the crime,
all the elements of the crime, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right, But so just to waken people out, not all doubt,
you know what I'm saying. That just kind of reinforces
the fact that a look.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
At this one.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well yeah, again, I'm not exactly sure where you're going
on this, but but that's okay. I will only I
will reinforce what I think you're saying with this, With
this comment, juries come back. And I tried to explain
it earlier tonight. No one is No jury says innocent.
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They either say guilty or not guilty. Guilty means we
believe beyond a reasonable doubt that this person committed the
crime as charged, or you have not convinced us beyond
a reasonable doubt that all the elements of the crime
have been proven, and that becomes not guilty. The jury
never says innocent. That's all I think. That's what you're
(05:01):
trying to imply. Am I wrong? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I just thought that. I mean, just like I said,
not all the well you know, you know, I'm not
all thought. So it's the sun thought. It can still
be considered.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Reasonable doubt it's reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt. I my doubt.
I might doubt that the sun is going to rise
tomorrow morning. I might doubt that, But the Sun's been
rising for about five billion years, so I don't think
that's a reasonable doubt that the sun is not going
to rise tomorrow morning. Do you know what I'm saying? Anyway,
I appreciate you, Carl, Thank you very much. I'm gonna
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keep rolling. Here're gonna go next to who we got here? Yeah,
let's go to Josephina in Brighton. Hin, Josephina, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Hello, it's Braintree.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, it says Brighton. I only read what Rob writes,
but it's just right. That's okay, it's j in Braintree. Now, okay,
it says Josephine. I'm great, Josephina. What's your thought this? Well?
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (06:02):
My comment tonight is, no matter what, there was a
man that died, correct and and that's that's what comes
to it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And you know what.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
My feeling too is we can learn from this. We
can learn from it through history. And the biggest part
in the takeaway that I feel that this whole trial
is you have to understand up for yourself. And the
greatest thing about being in America is we can stand
up for ourselves. There's women all over the world that
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are like brutalized and like it for Hanger or whatever.
But you know what, as awful and brutal as a
few years has been on trial for Karen, it is awful,
and I understand that it is awful, But you know what,
we live in a place where we have the freedom.
As corrupt as it could be, whatever anybody wants to say,
We're still in America and we still have the power
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of its proven guilty quote unquote, And I think that's
the thing that people need to remember.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think it's important that goes for men as well
as women. That's the system of justice we have. Some
people say that it's the the worst system of justice
except for all the others.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I mean, it's right, you can say it's the worst,
but you know what, there's way, way, way, way worse.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No, I'm saying is is that the only the only
ones that are worse than the American system are all
the others. It's the second worst. It's the second worst system,
except all the others are the worst. So exactly I
understand the I understand the points you're making. And in
other other companies, other countries, the burden of proof is
on even in western countries. In England, the burden of
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proof is on the the accused to prove they didn't
do it. Uh, it's the burden of proof here is
on the state to prove that they all are, all
the elements of the crime were committed. But at the
same time, it has not must not have been a
pleasant three years for not only the o'key family, but
also for the Reed family as well, exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
And you know what either side it's like say, you know,
we have to be human about it, and we have
to understand that you know, who wants to be on
trial for the song, no one, But who wants to
lose their child? No one, you know. So I think
that people need to come back to a humanistic point
of view and realize that we are in America and
we have our feedom and we are very glassed to
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have that. So I think we need to come back
to that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well. A great reminder, A great reminder. Thank you very much, Josephina.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Thank you You're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Thanks very much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
There take back that night.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Good night only line open yep only line is one
line and six one, seven, five, four, ten thirty. Coming
right back on night side, I get Chris down on
the KP's next. Coming back on nightside with Chris on
Cape card.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's nice eyes with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I promise Christ out of the Cape. Chris, you're at bat?
How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Chris? Go right ahead, Good evening, Dan, thanks for taking
the call.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, thank you, Thank you for your patience. You've been
a very patient caller. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Uh. There are so many gaps in this prosecution from
beginning to end. The proctor texts among his colleagues is
kind of a you know, blue line secret that they
always text among themselves. But this is the first time
that I can remember that it had ever been exposed
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to the extent that it was, to the point of
a state trooper, you know, referencing you know, the C word,
hope she commits suicide, calling her a defense didn't and
the suspect before he had done any inquiry whatsoever. The
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fact that Jen McCabe, whose sister's lawn was the depository
of the deceased, that she didn't run up to her
front door, bang it down to make sure that she
was okay, darkened lights inside, nobody went into that house?
(10:29):
What thirty five feet away from what ended up as
being a.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, we mentioned that that's bad police work, obviously, no question,
no question.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah. And what about Jen McCabe. Wasn't she concerned for
her sister unless she already knew, wasn't she?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think she had been at the party, had she not?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, but she came back to the scene with.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Karen Reid.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
With Karen Reid, who.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Was I don't know what. I don't know off the
top of my head, Chris, what time the various participants
in the party departed or left the party, So it
could be that she and her sister drove home. I
don't know that. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, but if I know that if my sister or
my brother had a deceased friend or participant in the
party on the front line who was defeased or about
to die, that I wouldn't knock the door down to
find out. What the hell do you know that poor
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mister O'Keefe is deceased on your front line With all
the flashing lights and all the rest, that's a huge gap.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Look, I think all of us can agree, and I
think you've stated some things which are very important. Again,
I think that that there's a lot of questions here,
and I think that she was overcharged. But to say extent,
the uh, the lesson we can take here is that
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if this was a bad prosecution, and I'm inclined to
think like you are, that it was, the jury system
got it right.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, they did. I think that there was some
mention as to how the FEDS got involved. Don't forget
Brian Higgins was an ATF.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But throw throwing a bunch of names in here, and
I know who these people are, but I'm not looking
to go down every dark alley and explain to the
audience who various people are here. The Feds, as I understand,
that investigated this and did nothing. If the Feds investigated
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it and concluded that there was some sort of grand conspiracy,
should they not have gone to the district attorney and said,
wait a second, you're prosecuting the wrong person. Here, here's
the findings of our investigation. Apparently that did not happen.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, I'm not I'm not saying they were prosecuting the
wrong person. I'm just saying that, uh, you got a
guy who works for the federal government who No, No.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I can't I get what you're saying. I get what
you're saying. But what I'm saying you you are of
the belief that that Karen Reid never should have been
indicted here. There's no question from your conversation. Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, no, then you then you think should you think
the investigation was so flawed?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I So what I'm saying to you is you're convinced
that got they indicted the wrong person. Be honest with me,
that's what you think.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
No, I am being honest. I I just don't know
who did it. You don't know. Nobody Well maybe they
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Maybe the Feds didn't know, and maybe they said, let's
let's this is our best shot. I don't know. I
don't know. I'm not ready to jump off the cliff.
That's a lot of people have. Sometimes prosecutors and police
make genuine mistakes. Sometimes they make borish mistakes like this
guy Proctor did.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Right. Yeah, no, No, nobody can just feel that one.
I mean that was the issue here. The other issue
that I think you.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Want to go to a conclusion, but you're not willing
to go to the conclusion is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, your conclusion is what really hurt hurt. Well, first
of all, she got.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Acquitted on the major charges. Can we at least celebrate
if you believe she never should have been indicted, that
she was acquitted on the major charges. I'm trying to
understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
No, I do celebrate that because of the enormous amount
of reasonable doubt on all fronts.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So the system worked.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
The system worked. But let's take the simple OUI that
she should never challenge, and she promptly, you know, leefully,
I'm sure you know, accepted.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
If they if they had said to her two years ago,
if they if they had suggested to her two years ago,
if they had said, look, here's the deal, Garrett, we'll
drop them under charge. We'll drop the manslaughter charge, we'll
drop the leaving the scene of an accident. Will you
take the OUI? She would have taken it in a
New York second, of course, she would have deal that
was never offered. Okay, they whatever reason. Now again, if
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we find out that the Feds have been able to
find out that there's some sort of dirty dealings going on, here,
then they should have probably stepped forward and said, look,
you're you're prosecuting the wrong person here. That's all. I'm
just saying, we're going in a circle here, and I'm frustrated.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So so I would just go to the documentary that
she I think illadvisedly participated in between trials here where
there's a hung jury, and between that trial, she does
this documentary. She doesn't show much of any remorse in
terms of the fact that her lover has died. She
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doesn't know how he died.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So what's your conclusion. We've done seven minutes here, we've
done almost eight minutes. I'm trying to understand what is
your point? What's the point you're driving?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
At My point is that this would have been a
much faster had she not engaged in that documentary with
so much incriminating evidence presented.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
To talk to her lawyer, because her lawyer probably should
have said to her, I don't think that's a really
good idea at this point. That's all.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Well, I think that she was so frustrated with not
having and she knows she's not going to testify that
at that point, she was uh probably thinking as Roy
Cohn did in his own closing argument to the jury
when it is way back when.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Let's let's let's not bring Roy Cone and Joe McCarthy,
and we've opened up a whole can of worms. Chris,
thank you for your Carl. I've got my newscast coming
up here. Thank you very much, Great night, Good night.
A little frustrating here, feel free. I just want to
know your point. That's all I'm trying to understand, is
where are you taking me? Yeah, we're gonna go to dinner.
Just tell me. I'm getting in the car right now.
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Where are we going to dinner? Were going to ninety
to ninety nine or were going to Davio's. Okay, that's
all I want to know. Where are we going to?
What's your point? That's all you want to celebrate? You
want to suggest that other things should have been done,
That's fine. Make your point. Back on Night's Side only
line open six one seven.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm w B Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Linda
in Weymouth. Linda, welcome, next to Nights.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I go ahead, Linda, I Dan, thank you for taking
my call.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You're welcome.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I finally did call you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well, thank you very much. That's that's a bit. Is
this your first call?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Uh No, actually I called you a year ago.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, well, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I got up enough courage.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
First of all, I want to say, like I've commented
on Facebook with you on the after show, that I've
always felt that she was not guilty. And I didn't elaborate,
but I the reason being is because I never felt
that the prosecution did a great job in convincing me anyways,
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and the police work I thought was very shabby and
they only went after her, they didn't look elsewhere, and
that kind of give me, gave me a little bit
of doubt. But I'm glad that she was found guilty
not guilty, But I have like a heaviness and the
sadness for the families. I feel very bad that now
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they have to go on living the ocades, not knowing
how their son has died, who was responsible, And also
Karen has to go on living with this cloud hanging
over her in the community, and it's not going to
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be easy for anybody. And I just I've been hoping
and praying that somewhere along the line, I don't think
it'll be soon, but maybe further on down that they
might look and try to find who is responsible for
his death.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think it would be very difficult for the district
attorney under these circumstances, even a subsequent district attorney, to
bring charges against someone else. Now, if someone steps forward
with some sort of you know, evidence, some proof that
is really compelling, I guess you could have a situation.
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But can you imagine if if mister X or miss
Y was indicted, their defense lawyers are going to say,
wait a second, you went through two trials going after
Karen Reid. What are you doing? You're playing musical chairs
here and you're gonna put somebody going to keep trying
people until you you get lucky. No, it's very difficult.
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I mean they basically they brought her up on charges
twice and they made their case and failed.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yes, yep, yep, yep they did. But they just as
really no winners here.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, they're absolutely are no winners, including the two children
who who lost a mom and a dad, and John
O'Keeffe had stepped in to become their guardian. I'm sure
that the Key family will will will rally around those kids.
But it's just it's it's a horrible and I mentioned
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earlier someone once said nothing good happens after midnight, and
particularly when alcohol.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is inviewsed as you realized.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So that you know, all of us, all of us
who have lived a normal life, have found themselves in
situations where they could have been accused of doing something stupid.
There's not too many of us who can look in
the mirror and say, I'm such a saint that I've
never done anything stupid, right, you know, so all of
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us this should be a lesson to everybody that, hey,
you know you're out having a good time. Don't drive
that sort of thing, right, you never know.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You're welcome a good night.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dan, don't wait, don't wait a year, come on back
more often.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Okay, thanks the conversation.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Thanks midnight.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Let me go to Joe and Rivere. Joe, you're next
night side, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Hey Dan, how he doing.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I'm very glad this lady can finally maybe get a
night's sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, man, I would imagine she she will sleep pretty
well tonight for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, she's she's tough, buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I could try to go through what she went through.
My question to you, if someone goes on the stand
and they answer questions and they lie, is that not perjury?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sure, if you can prove that they know if they
make a mistake, it's not. But if you know that
their intention is to mislead or to give a false answer,
it's perjury.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So let's all be adults here. You got to know
somebody that was called to that stand knows exactly what
happened and exactly what went on, and this lady shouldn't
have had to go through what she went through for
all this time if they had told the truth. So
are there any investigations going to be committed, processed, whatever
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you want to call it. Yeah, after this case is
pretty much dead? I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I think I think the case is dead. I
think that the DA took his best shot, and I
think that for them to to bring someone else up
on any charge related to this case, it's going to
be very difficult.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
I just you got to come where I'm coming from, Like,
you got to believe somebody called up to that stand
new everything went on and lied about what they said.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know, well, I I certainly can hypothesize situations. But
I mean, maybe there's an answer. I can I can
think about situations. And again I'm not trying to make
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this as an argument, but what happened if if John
o'keef got out of the car had had too few,
too many drinks, there's a snowstone going on and he
slipped and fell and hit his head and she didn't
hit him. He never went in the house. Is that
a possibility?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, you know that's kind of You're a lawyer, so
I can't argue with you.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean, I know, I'm not arguing. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Let's from everything I've been following it real close, and
from everything I'm getting I mean, police been losing their
phone the next day, you.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Know, no real physical evidence of a car hitting them.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I mean, I I know you can't.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Take one side on anything because it's your show, but no.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no insight. Please, I'm
being honest with the Joe. If I firmly believed, as
I firmly believed in the Joe Solvati case, that those
guys were railroaded by corrupt FBI agents in the nineteen sixties,
and it took myself and Victor Garrow, a long time
the lawyer for Joe Solvati, to prove. We proved their innocence.
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That's why they won one hundred and sixteen million dollars
from the federal government. Okay, I'm just saying, is it conceivable?
Is it conceivable that somebody could be walking up the
driveway she drives away and John O'Keeffe somehow tripped on something,
And I'm just you know, does it have to have
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been I guess you may want to say that's a
one percent chance. Maybe it's a seventy percent chance that
he went in the house and got beat up. Maybe
it was a thirty twenty nine percent chance.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I don't know. I got a lot of friends that
have police spend. They're really good guys. But I got
to kind of feel like what I'm feeling, and I say,
I just set her up for this.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But okay, so let me ask you this. Let's assume
let's assume you're let's assume let's assume your theory is right.
So let's assume he goes into the house, she drops
him off, she doesn't hit him. She goes into the house,
and a fight breaks out and somebody cole conks him, okay,
and he hits the ground and he's dead. You got
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what is it? Three or four police officers in there,
and they're they're looking at it, and they're saying, you know,
I think he's dead. Do you think that that all
of them are gonna say, got a great idea, Let's
take him and put him on the front lawn and everything.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Will be okay, all of them. But saying tues in.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Like, from my experience, from my experience, if that were
to have happened and people wanted to cover it up,
I would think, and again I'm just I'm not I'm
not saying this happened. I'm just saying that from my experience,
if they were really bad people who did something terrible
inside that house, I don't think they planned them on
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the front lawn. I think that they would say, Hey,
let's take them to a nearby pond, or let's let's
take them up to the big Blue hills and we'll
drive up there. It's late at night, we'll walk him
into the woods and maybe someone will find him next spring.
That's I'm just you know, so that that was the
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one I always had in my own.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
What's that You just kind of put it on the
whole thing on that, you know, get it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Maybe I'm hoping that jury came to a right decision today.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I believe.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
If nobody files anything or does anything else, this is done.
There's no investigations more about people that went up on
the stand or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't think. I think it is all over. I
do someone unless someone has guilt, pains, guilt conscience.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah, and they quietly always say, hey.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Look I was in this. Well, you know there were
some people who might You always have a possibility someone
if it was a group event, that someone could go
and say, look, I'd like to kind of deal with you.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Okay, yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We'll see, we'll see. All right, gotta go, Joe, Thank
you much, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I have a great night. Good night. Six one, seven,
two five four ten thirty. I got to pick up
the pace here. The only line that is open is
six one, seven, nine ten thirty.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm telling you from now on, no more than three
minutes for every caller, we'll be back on night side.
If you can't do it in three minutes, we're gonna
move on. Thanks, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Radio, Michael and Attleborough. Michael, you were next on Nightside,
Go right.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
A hitch or Hey again? Good thing, I'm home. I
got my charger with me.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Sorry, man, I've given everybody.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
I want to go back to Joe. I didn't plan
on going back to Joe. But first, the thing I
want to say is I was glad that the camera
of people did not show them in on the ocase
they did show the brother. In fact, I was surprised
you didn't jump over the railing because I predicted that.
But I'm not saying anything against him. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And God.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
The other thing is, since tearing Joe at the bottom
of the hour, I know you're going to be neutral.
You have to be neutral. How can anybody and they're
like mine, not you?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I mean, I simply tell you. Look, the one thing,
let me tell you what my my caveat is. I
am going to tell you what I think. I'm going
to be authentic and if I don't know, I'm mad
enough to say I don't know, but this is a possibility.
Think about this way. It's like in law school as
a as a law school professor, you you change a
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couple of facts in a case, and all of a sudden,
the case changes. Believe me, I that's what That's how
I conduct my show. I'm never going to say something
to you that I absolutely don't believe.
Speaker 11 (30:10):
The thing I don't get and no one should be
able to dispute this. How could any body, any police
force not at least go up and knock on the
door of the house. I mean they didn't because they
know who lives there. I mean that I don't want
to say anything against Albert, but this guy is a
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prize fighter on TV apparently. But that and the last
thing I want to say is I mean, because if
everybody's glossing over that, how could they not go up
to the house and at least say, do you know anything?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Do you know there's a guy in your lawn?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Horrible mistake, no question about that. A horrible mistake.
Speaker 11 (30:53):
Mistake, that's not a mistake.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
They know him the best. The best person that was
a witness was it was the total truck driver.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Okay, So so you're telling me that there's this huge
plot conspiracy that includes how many people approximately are we
talking about the five or six in the house, plus
the state police who will call to the crime scene.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
Well, yeah, they're good, they're gonna Marrisey's gonna tell I
shouldn't have said that. The DA is gonna say, we can't,
we can't do this. We ought to fire the whole
Canton Police department.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, Well sorry, I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I will be authentic with you and tell you that that.
First of all, I understand your theory. It's a theory.
I don't agree with it because I think that Morrissey
should be should be put in a straight jacket if
if he if you're accusing him of organizing a conspiracy
that were all that would involve many people too, to
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save the Canton police. It boggles my mind that people
even think of that. I mean, I think that there
are stupid people out there, and I think there were
evil people, but you'd have to be really evil and
really stupid to do something like that.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
Well, it's gonna call the thin blue line, isn't that what?
That's what that means we protect ourselves.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, a blue line, which means that if you're I
think what they generally referred to it as you all
of a sudden, there's a riot going on, and one
of the cops overreacts uh and clearly hit somebody right
in the forehead with his billy club.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And and no, none of the other cops noticed it.
And when they put on the witness stand or whatever
they in front of the grand Uarry, did you know,
did you notice Officer Smith smashed the guy next to
you who was standing next to you with a billy club?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I didn't notice. I was actually looking in that direction.
Did you hear the person scream? No, it was quite loud. No,
that's the thin blue line. But they're going to cover
up a murder. Nuts, I mean, you have to be
incredibly evil and also nuts.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
It might be okay.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
The only other thing is I looked up online. I
don't think proct is eligible.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
For his retirement.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think he lost.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Yes, I think so yeah, But now they gave it
to Bulge's relatives. They did take one back. But can
they shuffle him off to like Pittsville on a desk job.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They will they do? Gone? I don't think so gone? Gone?
All right, Michael, you exceeded the three minutes, but that's okay.
Thank you. Much Bye bye Pelvis and Middleton. Pelvis got
to be quick for me.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Man, go ahead, all right, Dan, Yeah, I know, I
know you don't want to hear about the conspiracy part
of it, but of course that they botched it from
the beginning, no matter what you think happened. There's a
dead guy in your front yard. You're coming in my house.
They're coming in your house, especially with a cocktail glass nearby.
The tail light didn't show up for four hours later.
The unmarked car in the middle of the night by
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a plow truck driver indisputable defensive wounds on his arm
that cannot be created by any magic tail light that
hits You could never produce thirty six separate wounds in
a vertical striation. Therese are defensive dog bite marks on
his arm.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So let's assume that everything you're telling me is correct. Okay, Yeah,
and Karen Reid gets indicted, And today Karen Reid was
acquitted on the most serious charges. How many people were involved,
in your opinion, in this conspiracy to frame Karen Reid?
How many?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
At least at least ten, at least ten or a dozen?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Okay, well, I will tell you this as corrupt as
you might think it.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Are, and then real quick the inner circle of at
least twelve cop friends. And it sucks because it's putting
a label. And I understand the thin blue line. But
they all, all the cops that I've spoken to, agree
this is an egregious cover up.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
One.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
He was knocked out in that house.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
There should be out in the house. There should be
a federal civil rights Uh investigation and if you're correct,
I believe in the system, there should be a federal
civil rights investigation.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
And explained, could you explain the marks anyway else?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Do you think those are tail light marks? Uh?
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Did you see his arm? Did you see his arm?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I wasn't in the courtroom. I saw pictures of.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
The No, you saw pictures of his arm. Right, So
you said, is it theoretical that he might have fallen
and bumped his head and died without anybody touching him?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And that question and is it possible that they could
have been a coyote or a stray dog that went
over nibble? Understand that Elvis I got you in before
the eleven. All I'm just saying is, if what you're
saying is true, we should wait for the federal civil
rights violation or conclude, did we live.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
In the good day.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
It's a good day for partial justice because she's acquitted.
But again, his murderers are still walking around. So we're
going to get to the on the field.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You're convinced of the murders. If you get some information,
I would say, get it to the US Attorney's office
as soon as possible. Thanks Elvis, We have a great night.
Here comes the eleven. The only line is six point
seven two, five, four, ten thirty. We're going to be
back with Rachel, Paul, Bernie and Harold and maybe room.
We do have room for you, Nope, just filled up.
Coming back after this
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BES Boston's video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Kyle. Let's keep rolling here as
we continue to talk about the decision today by the
Karen Reid jury acquitted on all of the major counts,
convicted on operating under the influence, which was the least
serious serious charge, nonetheless, but the least serious. She was
facing murder, manslaughter, and leaving the scene of an accident
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in which there was a death. Back to the phones,
we go, going to go to Mike and Lawrence. Mike,
I appreciate your patience. You've been holding on for a while.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You go right ahead, Yeah, listen, I just want to
verify Patty's call last night.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
By the way, you're on speakerphone right, No, I don't
think so. No, Now you're holding the mouthpiece closer you were,
you were holding the mouthpiece away. I want to hear
what you have to say, so speak right into that
mouthpiece place.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Go ahead, Okay, Is that all right?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's better?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Okay, Well, Patty said that in a TV interview, Reeds
said that she asked, you, Nettie, what if I ran
over his foot or clipped him? Janetti's responded you still
be culpable. Okay. Weeks later, in another TV interview, she
was asked directly, did you see him walk into the house?
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She said, yes, I did. How can you ask if
you clicked them or right over his foot when he's
in the house.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, those are not mutually exclusive. I mean, if let
us say she thought that she heard a you know,
have you ever run over something with your car? Mike?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Why would she be asking him that?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, first of all, I'm taking I'm taking your word
for it, so I'm accepting the premise of your question.
So here's my answer. Okay, So, have you ever run
over or hit the curb with your car or maybe
bumped your car on something and you got out to
make sure that there was no ever had that experience
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or no?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, okay, Fine. So let's assume that he gets out
of the car and she's backing up this. You know,
you're asking me a hypothetical question. I'm giving you a
hypothetical answer. And let's assume that she thought she did
did I bump him? Did I did I hit him?
She might have waited to leave in that circumstance, just
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to make sure that he could make it in the house,
that he wasn't limping, or he got in the house
and might have set her mind at ease. I'm I'm
just trying to respond to your hypothetical with hypothetical hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And she saw him go in the house with more
than she'd be concerned real quick, Uh, I have a net.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
People?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Were its actually in Texas with you? The best words
of the word trial trials.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I don't know what you're doing with you, Mike.
I don't know what you're doing with your phone. But
here's what you sound like. I'm hearing you very clearly
that all of a sudden your phone goes away, then
you come back and I hear you, and then the
phone goes away. So just hold the phone if you're
not on a speakerphone and walking around the room, hold
your phone if the mouthpiece in front of your mouth,
and go ahead, start that last sentence over so I
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can hear you totally.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay. What he said is whenever he stood out of
the trial, he said, look, I mean to be found
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but not beyond all doubt.
That statement was never made.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
What well, why would it? The standard is? Is you
the prosecution has to prove the elements of the crime,
all the elements of the crime, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right, But so just to waken people out, not all doubt,
you know what I'm saying. That just kind of reinforces
the fact that a look.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
At this one.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well yeah, again, I'm not exactly sure where you're going
on this, but but that's okay. I will only I
will reinforce what I think you're saying with this, With
this comment, juries come back. And I tried to explain
it earlier tonight. No one is No jury says innocent.
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They either say guilty or not guilty. Guilty means we
believe beyond a reasonable doubt that this person committed the
crime as charged, or you have not convinced us beyond
a reasonable doubt that all the elements of the crime
have been proven, and that becomes not guilty. The jury
never says innocent. That's all I think. That's what you're
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trying to imply. Am I wrong? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I just thought that. I mean, just like I said,
not all the well you know, you know, I'm not
all thought. So it's the sun thought. It can still
be considered.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Reasonable doubt it's reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt. I my doubt.
I might doubt that the sun is going to rise
tomorrow morning. I might doubt that, But the Sun's been
rising for about five billion years, so I don't think
that's a reasonable doubt that the sun is not going
to rise tomorrow morning. Do you know what I'm saying? Anyway,
I appreciate you, Carl, Thank you very much. I'm gonna
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keep rolling. Here're gonna go next to who we got here? Yeah,
let's go to Josephina in Brighton. Hin, Josephina, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Hello, it's Braintree.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, it says Brighton. I only read what Rob writes,
but it's just right. That's okay, it's j in Braintree. Now, okay,
it says Josephine. I'm great, Josephina. What's your thought this? Well?
Thank you?
Speaker 6 (06:02):
My comment tonight is, no matter what, there was a
man that died, correct and and that's that's what comes
to it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And you know what.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
My feeling too is we can learn from this. We
can learn from it through history. And the biggest part
in the takeaway that I feel that this whole trial
is you have to understand up for yourself. And the
greatest thing about being in America is we can stand
up for ourselves. There's women all over the world that
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are like brutalized and like it for Hanger or whatever.
But you know what, as awful and brutal as a
few years has been on trial for Karen, it is awful,
and I understand that it is awful, But you know what,
we live in a place where we have the freedom.
As corrupt as it could be, whatever anybody wants to say,
We're still in America and we still have the power
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of its proven guilty quote unquote, And I think that's
the thing that people need to remember.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think it's important that goes for men as well
as women. That's the system of justice we have. Some
people say that it's the the worst system of justice
except for all the others.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I mean, it's right, you can say it's the worst,
but you know what, there's way, way, way, way worse.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No, I'm saying is is that the only the only
ones that are worse than the American system are all
the others. It's the second worst. It's the second worst system,
except all the others are the worst. So exactly I
understand the I understand the points you're making. And in
other other companies, other countries, the burden of proof is
on even in western countries. In England, the burden of
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proof is on the the accused to prove they didn't
do it. Uh, it's the burden of proof here is
on the state to prove that they all are, all
the elements of the crime were committed. But at the
same time, it has not must not have been a
pleasant three years for not only the o'key family, but
also for the Reed family as well, exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
And you know what either side it's like say, you know,
we have to be human about it, and we have
to understand that you know, who wants to be on
trial for the song, no one, But who wants to
lose their child? No one, you know. So I think
that people need to come back to a humanistic point
of view and realize that we are in America and
we have our feedom and we are very glassed to
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have that. So I think we need to come back
to that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well. A great reminder, A great reminder. Thank you very much, Josephina.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Thank you You're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Thanks very much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
There take back that night.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Good night only line open yep only line is one
line and six one, seven, five, four, ten thirty. Coming
right back on night side, I get Chris down on
the KP's next. Coming back on nightside with Chris on
Cape card.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's nice eyes with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I promise Christ out of the Cape. Chris, you're at bat?
How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Chris? Go right ahead, Good evening, Dan, thanks for taking
the call.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, thank you, Thank you for your patience. You've been
a very patient caller. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Uh. There are so many gaps in this prosecution from
beginning to end. The proctor texts among his colleagues is
kind of a you know, blue line secret that they
always text among themselves. But this is the first time
that I can remember that it had ever been exposed
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to the extent that it was, to the point of
a state trooper, you know, referencing you know, the C word,
hope she commits suicide, calling her a defense didn't and
the suspect before he had done any inquiry whatsoever. The
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fact that Jen McCabe, whose sister's lawn was the depository
of the deceased, that she didn't run up to her
front door, bang it down to make sure that she
was okay, darkened lights inside, nobody went into that house?
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What thirty five feet away from what ended up as
being a.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, we mentioned that that's bad police work, obviously, no question,
no question.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah. And what about Jen McCabe. Wasn't she concerned for
her sister unless she already knew, wasn't she?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think she had been at the party, had she not?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, but she came back to the scene with.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Karen Reid.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
With Karen Reid, who.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Was I don't know what. I don't know off the
top of my head, Chris, what time the various participants
in the party departed or left the party, So it
could be that she and her sister drove home. I
don't know that. I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, but if I know that if my sister or
my brother had a deceased friend or participant in the
party on the front line who was defeased or about
to die, that I wouldn't knock the door down to
find out. What the hell do you know that poor
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mister O'Keefe is deceased on your front line With all
the flashing lights and all the rest, that's a huge gap.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Look, I think all of us can agree, and I
think you've stated some things which are very important. Again,
I think that that there's a lot of questions here,
and I think that she was overcharged. But to say extent,
the uh, the lesson we can take here is that
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if this was a bad prosecution, and I'm inclined to
think like you are, that it was, the jury system
got it right.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, they did. I think that there was some
mention as to how the FEDS got involved. Don't forget
Brian Higgins was an ATF.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But throw throwing a bunch of names in here, and
I know who these people are, but I'm not looking
to go down every dark alley and explain to the
audience who various people are here. The Feds, as I understand,
that investigated this and did nothing. If the Feds investigated
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it and concluded that there was some sort of grand conspiracy,
should they not have gone to the district attorney and said,
wait a second, you're prosecuting the wrong person. Here, here's
the findings of our investigation. Apparently that did not happen.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, I'm not I'm not saying they were prosecuting the
wrong person. I'm just saying that, uh, you got a
guy who works for the federal government who No, No.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I can't I get what you're saying. I get what
you're saying. But what I'm saying you you are of
the belief that that Karen Reid never should have been
indicted here. There's no question from your conversation. Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, no, then you then you think should you think
the investigation was so flawed?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I So what I'm saying to you is you're convinced
that got they indicted the wrong person. Be honest with me,
that's what you think.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
No, I am being honest. I I just don't know
who did it. You don't know. Nobody Well maybe they
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Maybe the Feds didn't know, and maybe they said, let's
let's this is our best shot. I don't know. I
don't know. I'm not ready to jump off the cliff.
That's a lot of people have. Sometimes prosecutors and police
make genuine mistakes. Sometimes they make borish mistakes like this
guy Proctor did.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Right. Yeah, no, No, nobody can just feel that one.
I mean that was the issue here. The other issue
that I think you.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Want to go to a conclusion, but you're not willing
to go to the conclusion is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, your conclusion is what really hurt hurt. Well, first
of all, she got.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Acquitted on the major charges. Can we at least celebrate
if you believe she never should have been indicted, that
she was acquitted on the major charges. I'm trying to
understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
No, I do celebrate that because of the enormous amount
of reasonable doubt on all fronts.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So the system worked.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
The system worked. But let's take the simple OUI that
she should never challenge, and she promptly, you know, leefully,
I'm sure you know, accepted.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
If they if they had said to her two years ago,
if they if they had suggested to her two years ago,
if they had said, look, here's the deal, Garrett, we'll
drop them under charge. We'll drop the manslaughter charge, we'll
drop the leaving the scene of an accident. Will you
take the OUI? She would have taken it in a
New York second, of course, she would have deal that
was never offered. Okay, they whatever reason. Now again, if
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we find out that the Feds have been able to
find out that there's some sort of dirty dealings going on, here,
then they should have probably stepped forward and said, look,
you're you're prosecuting the wrong person here. That's all. I'm
just saying, we're going in a circle here, and I'm frustrated.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So so I would just go to the documentary that
she I think illadvisedly participated in between trials here where
there's a hung jury, and between that trial, she does
this documentary. She doesn't show much of any remorse in
terms of the fact that her lover has died. She
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doesn't know how he died.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So what's your conclusion. We've done seven minutes here, we've
done almost eight minutes. I'm trying to understand what is
your point? What's the point you're driving?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
At My point is that this would have been a
much faster had she not engaged in that documentary with
so much incriminating evidence presented.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
To talk to her lawyer, because her lawyer probably should
have said to her, I don't think that's a really
good idea at this point. That's all.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Well, I think that she was so frustrated with not
having and she knows she's not going to testify that
at that point, she was uh probably thinking as Roy
Cohn did in his own closing argument to the jury
when it is way back when.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Let's let's let's not bring Roy Cone and Joe McCarthy,
and we've opened up a whole can of worms. Chris,
thank you for your Carl. I've got my newscast coming
up here. Thank you very much, Great night, Good night.
A little frustrating here, feel free. I just want to
know your point. That's all I'm trying to understand, is
where are you taking me? Yeah, we're gonna go to dinner.
Just tell me. I'm getting in the car right now.
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Where are we going to dinner? Were going to ninety
to ninety nine or were going to Davio's. Okay, that's
all I want to know. Where are we going to?
What's your point? That's all you want to celebrate? You
want to suggest that other things should have been done,
That's fine. Make your point. Back on Night's Side only
line open six one seven.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm w B Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Linda
in Weymouth. Linda, welcome, next to Nights.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I go ahead, Linda, I Dan, thank you for taking
my call.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You're welcome.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I finally did call you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well, thank you very much. That's that's a bit. Is
this your first call?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Uh No, actually I called you a year ago.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, well, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I got up enough courage.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
First of all, I want to say, like I've commented
on Facebook with you on the after show, that I've
always felt that she was not guilty. And I didn't elaborate,
but I the reason being is because I never felt
that the prosecution did a great job in convincing me anyways,
(18:46):
and the police work I thought was very shabby and
they only went after her, they didn't look elsewhere, and
that kind of give me, gave me a little bit
of doubt. But I'm glad that she was found guilty
not guilty, But I have like a heaviness and the
sadness for the families. I feel very bad that now
(19:11):
they have to go on living the ocades, not knowing
how their son has died, who was responsible, And also
Karen has to go on living with this cloud hanging
over her in the community, and it's not going to
(19:32):
be easy for anybody. And I just I've been hoping
and praying that somewhere along the line, I don't think
it'll be soon, but maybe further on down that they
might look and try to find who is responsible for
his death.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think it would be very difficult for the district
attorney under these circumstances, even a subsequent district attorney, to
bring charges against someone else. Now, if someone steps forward
with some sort of you know, evidence, some proof that
is really compelling, I guess you could have a situation.
(20:11):
But can you imagine if if mister X or miss
Y was indicted, their defense lawyers are going to say,
wait a second, you went through two trials going after
Karen Reid. What are you doing? You're playing musical chairs
here and you're gonna put somebody going to keep trying
people until you you get lucky. No, it's very difficult.
(20:32):
I mean they basically they brought her up on charges
twice and they made their case and failed.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yes, yep, yep, yep they did. But they just as
really no winners here.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, they're absolutely are no winners, including the two children
who who lost a mom and a dad, and John
O'Keeffe had stepped in to become their guardian. I'm sure
that the Key family will will will rally around those kids.
But it's just it's it's a horrible and I mentioned
(21:08):
earlier someone once said nothing good happens after midnight, and
particularly when alcohol.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is inviewsed as you realized.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So that you know, all of us, all of us
who have lived a normal life, have found themselves in
situations where they could have been accused of doing something stupid.
There's not too many of us who can look in
the mirror and say, I'm such a saint that I've
never done anything stupid, right, you know, so all of
(21:37):
us this should be a lesson to everybody that, hey,
you know you're out having a good time. Don't drive
that sort of thing, right, you never know.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You're welcome a good night.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Dan, don't wait, don't wait a year, come on back
more often.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Okay, thanks the conversation.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Thanks midnight.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Let me go to Joe and Rivere. Joe, you're next
night side, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Hey Dan, how he doing.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I'm very glad this lady can finally maybe get a
night's sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, man, I would imagine she she will sleep pretty
well tonight for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, she's she's tough, buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I could try to go through what she went through.
My question to you, if someone goes on the stand
and they answer questions and they lie, is that not perjury?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sure, if you can prove that they know if they
make a mistake, it's not. But if you know that
their intention is to mislead or to give a false answer,
it's perjury.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So let's all be adults here. You got to know
somebody that was called to that stand knows exactly what
happened and exactly what went on, and this lady shouldn't
have had to go through what she went through for
all this time if they had told the truth. So
are there any investigations going to be committed, processed, whatever
(23:06):
you want to call it. Yeah, after this case is
pretty much dead? I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I think I think the case is dead. I
think that the DA took his best shot, and I
think that for them to to bring someone else up
on any charge related to this case, it's going to
be very difficult.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
I just you got to come where I'm coming from, Like,
you got to believe somebody called up to that stand
new everything went on and lied about what they said.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know, well, I I certainly can hypothesize situations. But
I mean, maybe there's an answer. I can I can
think about situations. And again I'm not trying to make
(23:59):
this as an argument, but what happened if if John
o'keef got out of the car had had too few,
too many drinks, there's a snowstone going on and he
slipped and fell and hit his head and she didn't
hit him. He never went in the house. Is that
a possibility?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, you know that's kind of You're a lawyer, so
I can't argue with you.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean, I know, I'm not arguing. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Let's from everything I've been following it real close, and
from everything I'm getting I mean, police been losing their
phone the next day, you.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Know, no real physical evidence of a car hitting them.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I mean, I I know you can't.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Take one side on anything because it's your show, but no.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no insight. Please, I'm
being honest with the Joe. If I firmly believed, as
I firmly believed in the Joe Solvati case, that those
guys were railroaded by corrupt FBI agents in the nineteen sixties,
and it took myself and Victor Garrow, a long time
the lawyer for Joe Solvati, to prove. We proved their innocence.
(25:18):
That's why they won one hundred and sixteen million dollars
from the federal government. Okay, I'm just saying, is it conceivable?
Is it conceivable that somebody could be walking up the
driveway she drives away and John O'Keeffe somehow tripped on something,
And I'm just you know, does it have to have
(25:38):
been I guess you may want to say that's a
one percent chance. Maybe it's a seventy percent chance that
he went in the house and got beat up. Maybe
it was a thirty twenty nine percent chance.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I don't know. I got a lot of friends that
have police spend. They're really good guys. But I got
to kind of feel like what I'm feeling, and I say,
I just set her up for this.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But okay, so let me ask you this. Let's assume
let's assume you're let's assume let's assume your theory is right.
So let's assume he goes into the house, she drops
him off, she doesn't hit him. She goes into the house,
and a fight breaks out and somebody cole conks him, okay,
and he hits the ground and he's dead. You got
(26:23):
what is it? Three or four police officers in there,
and they're they're looking at it, and they're saying, you know,
I think he's dead. Do you think that that all
of them are gonna say, got a great idea, Let's
take him and put him on the front lawn and everything.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Will be okay, all of them. But saying tues in.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Like, from my experience, from my experience, if that were
to have happened and people wanted to cover it up,
I would think, and again I'm just I'm not I'm
not saying this happened. I'm just saying that from my experience,
if they were really bad people who did something terrible
inside that house, I don't think they planned them on
(27:04):
the front lawn. I think that they would say, Hey,
let's take them to a nearby pond, or let's let's
take them up to the big Blue hills and we'll
drive up there. It's late at night, we'll walk him
into the woods and maybe someone will find him next spring.
That's I'm just you know, so that that was the
(27:25):
one I always had in my own.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
What's that You just kind of put it on the
whole thing on that, you know, get it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Maybe I'm hoping that jury came to a right decision today.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I believe.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
If nobody files anything or does anything else, this is done.
There's no investigations more about people that went up on
the stand or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't think. I think it is all over. I
do someone unless someone has guilt, pains, guilt conscience.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah, and they quietly always say, hey.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Look I was in this. Well, you know there were
some people who might You always have a possibility someone
if it was a group event, that someone could go
and say, look, I'd like to kind of deal with you.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Okay, yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We'll see, we'll see. All right, gotta go, Joe, Thank
you much, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I have a great night. Good night. Six one, seven,
two five four ten thirty. I got to pick up
the pace here. The only line that is open is
six one, seven, nine ten thirty.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm telling you from now on, no more than three
minutes for every caller, we'll be back on night side.
If you can't do it in three minutes, we're gonna
move on. Thanks, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Radio, Michael and Attleborough. Michael, you were next on Nightside,
Go right.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
A hitch or Hey again? Good thing, I'm home. I
got my charger with me.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Sorry, man, I've given everybody.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
I want to go back to Joe. I didn't plan
on going back to Joe. But first, the thing I
want to say is I was glad that the camera
of people did not show them in on the ocase
they did show the brother. In fact, I was surprised
you didn't jump over the railing because I predicted that.
But I'm not saying anything against him. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And God.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
The other thing is, since tearing Joe at the bottom
of the hour, I know you're going to be neutral.
You have to be neutral. How can anybody and they're
like mine, not you?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I mean, I simply tell you. Look, the one thing,
let me tell you what my my caveat is. I
am going to tell you what I think. I'm going
to be authentic and if I don't know, I'm mad
enough to say I don't know, but this is a possibility.
Think about this way. It's like in law school as
a as a law school professor, you you change a
(29:57):
couple of facts in a case, and all of a sudden,
the case changes. Believe me, I that's what That's how
I conduct my show. I'm never going to say something
to you that I absolutely don't believe.
Speaker 11 (30:10):
The thing I don't get and no one should be
able to dispute this. How could any body, any police
force not at least go up and knock on the
door of the house. I mean they didn't because they
know who lives there. I mean that I don't want
to say anything against Albert, but this guy is a
(30:34):
prize fighter on TV apparently. But that and the last
thing I want to say is I mean, because if
everybody's glossing over that, how could they not go up
to the house and at least say, do you know anything?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Do you know there's a guy in your lawn?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Horrible mistake, no question about that. A horrible mistake.
Speaker 11 (30:53):
Mistake, that's not a mistake.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
They know him the best. The best person that was
a witness was it was the total truck driver.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Okay, So so you're telling me that there's this huge
plot conspiracy that includes how many people approximately are we
talking about the five or six in the house, plus
the state police who will call to the crime scene.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
Well, yeah, they're good, they're gonna Marrisey's gonna tell I
shouldn't have said that. The DA is gonna say, we can't,
we can't do this. We ought to fire the whole
Canton Police department.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, Well sorry, I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I will be authentic with you and tell you that that.
First of all, I understand your theory. It's a theory.
I don't agree with it because I think that Morrissey
should be should be put in a straight jacket if
if he if you're accusing him of organizing a conspiracy
that were all that would involve many people too, to
(31:57):
save the Canton police. It boggles my mind that people
even think of that. I mean, I think that there
are stupid people out there, and I think there were
evil people, but you'd have to be really evil and
really stupid to do something like that.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
Well, it's gonna call the thin blue line, isn't that what?
That's what that means we protect ourselves.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, a blue line, which means that if you're I
think what they generally referred to it as you all
of a sudden, there's a riot going on, and one
of the cops overreacts uh and clearly hit somebody right
in the forehead with his billy club.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And and no, none of the other cops noticed it.
And when they put on the witness stand or whatever
they in front of the grand Uarry, did you know,
did you notice Officer Smith smashed the guy next to
you who was standing next to you with a billy club?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I didn't notice. I was actually looking in that direction.
Did you hear the person scream? No, it was quite loud. No,
that's the thin blue line. But they're going to cover
up a murder. Nuts, I mean, you have to be
incredibly evil and also nuts.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
It might be okay.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
The only other thing is I looked up online. I
don't think proct is eligible.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
For his retirement.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think he lost.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Yes, I think so yeah, But now they gave it
to Bulge's relatives. They did take one back. But can
they shuffle him off to like Pittsville on a desk job.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They will they do? Gone? I don't think so gone? Gone?
All right, Michael, you exceeded the three minutes, but that's okay.
Thank you. Much Bye bye Pelvis and Middleton. Pelvis got
to be quick for me.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Man, go ahead, all right, Dan, Yeah, I know, I
know you don't want to hear about the conspiracy part
of it, but of course that they botched it from
the beginning, no matter what you think happened. There's a
dead guy in your front yard. You're coming in my house.
They're coming in your house, especially with a cocktail glass nearby.
The tail light didn't show up for four hours later.
The unmarked car in the middle of the night by
(34:00):
a plow truck driver indisputable defensive wounds on his arm
that cannot be created by any magic tail light that
hits You could never produce thirty six separate wounds in
a vertical striation. Therese are defensive dog bite marks on
his arm.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So let's assume that everything you're telling me is correct. Okay, Yeah,
and Karen Reid gets indicted, And today Karen Reid was
acquitted on the most serious charges. How many people were involved,
in your opinion, in this conspiracy to frame Karen Reid?
How many?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
At least at least ten, at least ten or a dozen?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Okay, well, I will tell you this as corrupt as
you might think it.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Are, and then real quick the inner circle of at
least twelve cop friends. And it sucks because it's putting
a label. And I understand the thin blue line. But
they all, all the cops that I've spoken to, agree
this is an egregious cover up.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
One.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
He was knocked out in that house.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
There should be out in the house. There should be
a federal civil rights Uh investigation and if you're correct,
I believe in the system, there should be a federal
civil rights investigation.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
And explained, could you explain the marks anyway else?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Do you think those are tail light marks? Uh?
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Did you see his arm? Did you see his arm?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I wasn't in the courtroom. I saw pictures of.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
The No, you saw pictures of his arm. Right, So
you said, is it theoretical that he might have fallen
and bumped his head and died without anybody touching him?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And that question and is it possible that they could
have been a coyote or a stray dog that went
over nibble? Understand that Elvis I got you in before
the eleven. All I'm just saying is, if what you're
saying is true, we should wait for the federal civil
rights violation or conclude, did we live.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
In the good day.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
It's a good day for partial justice because she's acquitted.
But again, his murderers are still walking around. So we're
going to get to the on the field.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You're convinced of the murders. If you get some information,
I would say, get it to the US Attorney's office
as soon as possible. Thanks Elvis, We have a great night.
Here comes the eleven. The only line is six point
seven two, five, four, ten thirty. We're going to be
back with Rachel, Paul, Bernie and Harold and maybe room.
We do have room for you, Nope, just filled up.
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