October 20, 2025 • 38 mins
The Lululemon store on Newbury Street in Boston was hit twice in one week by shoplifters. The thieves made off with over $6K in the first hit and reportedly $700 in the second hit. Police are still looking for the suspects. Retail theft has been on the rise nationwide with Lululemon being a popular target. The 2024 Retail Theft & Violence report by the National Retail Federation shows a 93% increase in the average number of shoplifting incidents per year in 2023 compared to 2019. This trend is accompanied by a 90% increase in dollar loss due to shoplifting over the same period. We talked about how Boston is tackling shoplifting crimes as Dan has some ideas of his own for how to tackle it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray I WBS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well to thank my guest last hour of Bostony council
Ed Flynn. We talked about and we're going to continue
to talk about retail thefts. Retail thefts at Boston stores
and has come to the four in the last few
days with repeated retail thefts by a group of young people.
I'm not gonna call them kids, although I sometimes slip
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into that people who have no respect for the work
that the people in the store do. They go in
and they just scoop as much off. Lulu Lemon is
a high end store, so they have high end quality products.
If you're going to steal anywhere from where, I guess
you're gonna pick a Lulu Lemon. These are on Newberry Street.
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It's going to adversely impact other stores on Newbury Street.
I read today so one of the articles today that
there was a store that had pottery on display outdoors
and kids were walking and just taking the pottery. That
young people young people. Okay, that's not to say that
older people might not do the same thing, but in
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terms of the video that we have seen of these
gangs who come in, uh and just we've seen smash
and grab and other communities. You've seen across the country
people going in twenty fifteen twenty people going in and
overwhelming a jewelry store and smashing and just grabbing whatever
they want.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This is why when you go to your local pharmacy
or your local CBS, so your Walgreen, and you try
to get a tube of toothpaste, you have to get
the person who unlock the tube of toothpaste because it
costs eight bucks or nine bucks or whatever. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
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thirty Those are the two numbers. And as they say,
we talked about the Lululemon theft's last hour, I want
to hear from some some female callers. So far we've
had a lot of mame callers. Let's hear from the
female callers as well. This is going to affect prices
in stores that are besized. And this has been happening
to Lululemon stores by the way around the country and
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also up into Canada for the last year. They are
being targeted. What are they going to do? I made
a suggestion. No one seemed well except Joe and Lynn.
Let me go to John and Brookline. John next on Nightside,
Go right ahead? Is John there? If we can put
them on hold? If we have to, let's put them
on hold and we'll come back to John in a moment.
(02:32):
Wasn't ready. Let's go to Chris down in the Cape.
Chris on Cape Corg. Go right ahead, Chris.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, Hi Dan, as well as intended as your suggestion
is to lock the door before they get out, yeah,
I think that you'd be basically facing a false imprisonment,
and God forbid, the real customers in the store that
intend to shop and pay are then imprisoned with the criminals.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, okay, well let me give you let me let
me turn it around on you. Let's assume you're a
store owner and you have this ability and you see
a couple of people get out of a car with
guns walking towards your door. Do you think that that
procedure of locking the doors, uh would be as onerous?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I think you lock them out before they get in.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But you were you're still you're still waste, You've still imprisoned.
Then you're arguing the people who are customers in the store,
you've imprisoned. You're you're trying to argue that that we've
imprisoned people in the store. So what I'm saying is
you could you under your theory, we could lock people
in the store to prevent thieves from coming in, but
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we can't lock people in the store prevent to prevent
thieves from leaving with with with items of great.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Value, but they don't leave the store. You're suggesting that
if they have an armful of goods and are heading
to the door, as I understood your.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yes, exactly, you understood exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's correct, and there's no theft until they leave the
plane of the store, because you have to prove, from
a prosecutor's standpoint, an intent to permanently deprive the owner
of the store.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh, I think that if you've seen any of the
videos lately, it's pretty clear what the intent of those
young people are. But that's okay. I understand the point
you're making, and I'm sure that there would be some
defense lawyers who would jump to the opportunity to defend
some young felons. But at some point in time, once
they're out of the store, they're gone forever. You do
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understand the.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Reality, Well, if they had I think that there are
measures that could be taken. Like was previously indicated, that
you either have a security guard that has proper authority
to make arrests once the theft has taken place, and
it doesn't take place until they're out the door.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think that when you see someone with fifteen or
twenty items running towards the door, I think you can,
a reasonable person can that they were not running towards
the door to try them on out of the street.
They were running towards the door to leave the premises
with the items.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, but then you lock them in with the other customers,
And that's the problem I have. And I know it's
well intended, but I would also suggest that you know
you're putting innocent consumers and the employees at risk by
keeping the criminals in the door once you saw them
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leaving or attempting.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
To understand the point you're making. But we have reached
a point in society here where things are just breaking down, okay,
and I think that sometimes you have to think outside
the box, and even the thread of that might convince
some of these young thieves that it's not a good
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idea to go into a store and run out. We've
seen it. Look you've seen. Let me ask you this.
Let's assume I saw a video the other day of
a jewelry store in Los Angeles about fifteen or twenty kids,
young people came in through the door. They smashed the
glass display cases, and they were grabbing whatever they could
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possibly grab. Now, let's assume that those they were able
to lock the door. Do you think that a prosecutor
wouldn't be able to prosecute the people who smashed the
cases and then had grabbed things out of the cases
for attempted to steal.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I think that that would be a perfectly reasonable prosecution.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What I'm saying, so, what is the difference then, What
is the difference between the individual comes in with a hammer,
breaks glass, grabs items, and heads to the door, and
the door comes and closes as somebody who comes in
and grabs with three for other people grabbing fifteen or
twenty dresses and is running towards the door.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think there's a distinction there because you're actually, you know,
committing you know, malicious destruction and other issues. But my
only point is I think your point is well intended.
But I think that going to the bank robber or
the bank teller that installing a buzzer that's a direct
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line to the police might be a safer safeguard and
if they get out, they get out. But at the
same time, I don't think you can.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I do understand the concern that you have. I get it,
but I'm I like to think outside the box. And again,
by thinking outside the box, I get intelligent callers like
you to call and uh and disagree with me, which
is which is part of what this program is supposed
to be about. Different points of view. So I thank
you for calling, kid, Chris, you know that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Okay, okay, thank you much, great Dren, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good night, Welcome back, and John from Brookline will be up.
He'll be leaning off right after the break on like
one line, open six, one seven, Coming right back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm bes Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Back to the phones we go. We're gonna try John
and Brookline one more time. Hey, John, welcome back. How
are you?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
John? Are you there?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I can have it here, but we'll give it a try.
Go right ahead, John, Yeah, your idea is is work
of a little risky uh huh years ago. I'm talking
fifty years ago. It was come he called Sonotrol and
I think they're gone now. But they had a machine
that went off. The sound would deafen an elephant and
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it would scare the hell out of everybody that's in
the store. That would maybe the people might drop their
goods and run out.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Esther will be laying on the floor from the four seasons.
But because of the sound, I mean it was deafening.
And then these flashlights went off. Yeah, this was back
in the seventies and what happened.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
What happened to that did that fall out?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But the sound, I mean it would really shock you.
The sound had like a wolf of sound that you
see in the police car. Yeah, and it went off sudden.
It would startle whoever except for Esther. Uh, it would.
It would really I think that people would drop some
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of the goods and run out of the place.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah. Well again my opinion.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Is that's an old system. But we had it, and
when it did go off, you couldn't believe the how
loud it was.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean I just think that I don't know.
Maybe what you could do is you could have some
There has to be something that for example, let's say
that I'll give you another example that just thought of
what about if you had some sort of hose that
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could spray paint people as they're leaving the store with
that with that that product, you know, I mean something
that would be offensive. And there has to be something
out there that someone has an idea that they could
come up with which would not only prevent the theft
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from occurring, but discourage people from even thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Well, the thing is like back was that system I'm
talking about was fifty years ago in work line? Yeah,
and when the thing went off was flash loud flashbulbs.
They get their picture take and they weren't, but they were,
they thought they were, and they ran out And.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well they should all understand all of these people who
do this. John Sorrow on TV this weekend the video
their faces were splashed all over the TVs. Uh scrats.
And you would think that that just the mere presence
of cameras inside of these stores would discouraged these but
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apparently not. They think they could get away with it.
What will discourage it is if there's some serious prosecutions.
But I don't have much faith in the district attorney
here in Suffolk County to do it well. I don't know.
I mean, I have a faith in Tim Cruise in
Plymouth County. He's a great DA.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I have.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I have some faith in Joe Early in Worcester County,
but there's a lot of the d And I used
to have great faith in Michael O'Keeffe down at the
Cape and John Blodging in Essex County. But Keith and
Blatchett have both left, So you get these these new
das who choose not to prosecute people. And yeah, the
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robbers figured it out pretty pretty quickly, John, Thank you
for calling, and.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Thank you' the what's the guy named Rollins one time
in the case that was strong.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, Rawlins was down there for a while. He preceded
Michael O'Keefe, who's who was a great DA in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And I was a tough guy. Absolutely, shows are great shows,
a great uh. I'm now a speaker. I couldn't do
it for years, but now I can.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Good. Keep calling.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I love what you're doing. I love what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks, John, appreciate you call. Thank you so much. Let's
keep rolling here. We got Phil in Boston coming up next. Phil,
you are next on Nightsider.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Right ahead, Phil I.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I can hear you perfectly. Phil.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Several things some pretty good at this. I fell from
the cave. Had an idea he could be that could
be Libel that the only thing that might work is
if you can't have one set of doors, because what
a Covia spirit can be waiting outside and when a
bad guy runs out, he opens the door, and but
the time he gets out, he's coming in and the
doors open and get in. Might work with two sets
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of doors. And you mentioned the paints. They do it
with these. I've seen them in stores. But they have
a little thing magnetic things you get, you know, they
they have tools to take these things off the bad guys.
If if a bad guy just just wants to grab it,
if he goes through the metal thing whatever, it'll explode
and those clothes will get off. And I had that's
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a longer ie this too. But how about years ago?
These have a guy and those times sound crazy, But
these these have a follow on on a on a
horse and nuber streets. That would be kind of a
discouragement for somebody. I mean, I know it's old fashioned,
but they did away with that. I guess the horses, which.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Is I don't know about that. The problem is, I
think the horses are are a good police presence. But
I don't think the problem with with horses. I think
you chasing someone down on Newbury Street, you're gonna end
up the horses, gonna end up with a broken leg,
He's gonna step in the pothole something. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Yeah, it's gotta because you know, if they keep doing it,
I mean, I don't know what what can you do?
I mean, the break into the Louver was mousinum is
stealing millions of dollars. But they can do that, I mean,
what can't they What can't they do? I mean, you
can't make the stuff up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's literally well they made it easier for people in Boston.
I mean the Louver of those were professional thieves, high
end and I don't know if they'll be caught or not,
but they they they really had to think. This is
pretty easy. All you young kids, the young thieves are told, look,
go in there, four or five you each of you
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grab you know, as many as you can, and you're
not going to get prosecuted for anything. As it's undred
twelve hundred dollars. Thank you very much. Rachel Rawlins appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Oh, young kids might get yeah that I gets in
a gang and then once they get into that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You got it, you got it. And I phil thank
you much as always, thank you my friend. We lost
Gloria from Salem. Gloria, call back if you lost your contact,
and we'll get you. We'll get you to the head
of the line. I promise. Let me go to Dave
in Boston. Dave you next time nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Hey, how are you good evening?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'm doing great. Thanks for calling in, Dave. Your thoughts
on any of this, anyone that we have discussed tonight.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, and I apologize if this came up before I
was tuned in, but I work part time in retail. Yes,
and I'll tell you it's there's not a night goes
by that I don't see someone skial something. Really, it's
really sad. And as I think you know, we're not
allowed to stop them. The if we do, it's funny.
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If we try to stop someone do the right thing
and stop somebody from committing a crime, we're the ones
that get fired.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, I've seen that, you know, Dave. I know you,
I know of what you speak. I've seen that, and
it just seems to me that we have lost our way.
We have lost our way as a society here. I
mean it's like there's an old story, you know, that
your guys walking down the street and he sees this
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group of thugs attack an elderly woman.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And the police come along and they break the fight up,
and they saved the woman. And they say to the
guy across the street, Hey, why do you do something?
And he said, well, it wasn't true who started the fight.
I mean, everybody has an excuse not to get involved
in anything, you know. And that's and we just have
kind of lost our way as a society. It's better
to turn and look the other way. Ridiculous, I know.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Well, but I disagree that it is better too. But
I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You know, yeah, well it's the society. Believe the people
who are in positions of influence other than at Flynn,
who they sees things pretty pretty well. You would when
the DA's a saying, oh, let's let's raise the amount
that can be stolen from a store, and all of
these small little variety stores, pidagos whatever you want to
call them. Uh, in poorer communities they shut their doors,
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and then the politicians say it's a food desert. There's
there's no no option for people who live in the communities. Well,
the reason is those people are victimized secondarily by crime.
The person who's who's victimized primarily is the store owner.
But now the people no longer have the store to
go to shop to uh where they can go to
shop easily and conveniently, they become victims of crime.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Right And you know what they tell us is, you know,
we don't want you to approach anybody because we don't
want you to get hurt. It's for your own protection.
The reality is that they don't want the loss. And
when people say it was raised to so, they were
profiled and therefore that's why we we well.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
There's a there's a lot of that but but but
but in point of fact, there's there's there's people who
are thieves of all backgrounds, of all racial backgrounds, of
all genders. There are uh, you know, it should it
should not be looked upon as any as anything that's
endemic to one group of people. It's it's it's people
who feel they can they can they can game the system.
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That's all they're doing, and they have they have some
prosecutors who are more than happy to just say, hey,
you know, no big deal, we're not going to prosecute.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
We are allowed to do well. They you know, the
loss prevention is offer great customer service. So if you
see someone you think you're stealing or whatever, you know,
feel free to walk down the aisle there. I'd be like, oh,
ain't gonna help you with anything to let them know
that there's a presence. But you can't be like I
just saw you fill up your baby carriage with stuff
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and you don't have a baby in it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah. Well, I have a friend of mine who who
owns a liquor store, and he saw a guy. They
have cameras in liquor store. He saw a guy who
were taking like five or six very expensive bottles of liquor.
And when he went to the counter, he you know,
watched the guy. The guy put one lique you know,
he made as if he was buying one bottle of liquor.
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And so the owner said to him, you're gonna put
the other bottles up on the counter, and the guy
just you know, grabbed his bag and ran. The owner
chased after him. The owner caught him. The guy threw
one bottle of liquor at the owner, which is assaulted
batter of the dangerous weapon. The owner then grabbed the
bag that had the bottles, most of the bottles to
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recover his own property, which he did. He goes back
to the store and this guy's driver's licenses there, I
think his birth certificate and also indication of he had
just been released from the Suffolk County House of Correction
and so he asked us on to the authorities. And
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this was a year ago. In June, he got a
phone call from the Suffolk County Diaz office that said
we've disposed of the matter, and he said, this is
now in September. When they called him, he said, what
do you mean you disposed? Well, we could close the matter.
Well did the guy was he? Did he take a pleae? No,
we dismissed it or whatever. They put him on probation
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for thirty days or something, but they never called him
as a witness although he was the victim of the
assault and battery and also the victim is the owner
of So thank you very much, Suffolk County prosecutors for
letting that guy out. And they had they had the
guy did the right they had. I mean they literally
had his birth certificate and I think his driver's license
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in the same bag.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
One more quick thing, Yeah, there there is testing now
of you know, you'll see high end items with censors
on them that have to be you know, removed when
they check out.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh sure, but yeah, all that does is that makes
a noise when they when they walk out the door.
But if they're being allowed to walk out the door,
I don't know, I don't know how they rip the
sensor off.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
They have trackers on them, just like when you when
you have you know that whatever the apple singing your wallet,
case you lose your wallet.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Okay, that's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Unaware of that now that allows you to like follow
the beep and c So let me ask you the.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Sensors that when you buy, we'll go to buy the
item at Bloomingdale's or Macy's or something like that, and
if it's over a certain amount of money, they have
a device which takes the clip off. It can those
clips be removed by other by other people? I mean,
I'm assuming if if other people, if thieves can take
the clips off, they can take the clips, throw them
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into the woods and and and go in the merry
way right there.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
But they're not as easy to get off as you think, gotchay.
And the thing about them is they're made in such
a way that like it's when you try and rip
it off, if you don't have the right tools or
what have you, you ruin the clothes, you ruin the items.
So then it's no value for reseil, you know, for
you to pond or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Very informative phone, Eurhasy, Very informative phone. Thanks Dave, all right,
take you, thank you soon. Here comes the news at
the bottom of the aisle. The only line is six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. This has hit
a nerve, so ladies join the conversation. So far I
spent all men. I love the men, but I want
to hear from my female listeners as well. Six one
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seven nine three one ten thirty. Lulu Lemon. Most patrons
of Lululemon are female. Well, that discourage you from going
in there, knowing that Lulu Lemon and I was being
targeted by these thieves, not only here but across the country.
Back on nights Side after.
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This, you're on night Side with Dan ray On BZ,
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Speaker 5 (23:07):
How are you doing, Dan? First time call?
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First time caller? Or how I get you? Round of
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Got ahead, Kevin.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
I just want to let you know these companies, you know,
they have all this the smashing grab and all that stuff.
They got, they got the cure right under their nose.
Is that now they have the machine. Now they have
the sheet, the machine that makes everything deep. When they're
going out with they got to take the little tags
off the clothing and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Well if they can do if they can do that
with h like what's that called electric fence? You they
put the things at the doorway and when they try
to run out with it, the little things things happy.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh I see, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I see
what you're meaning. Yeah, Well, but you don't you have
to have contact with the skin at that point. It was,
for example, when you put an electric fence.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
No, if they if they run through it with either
clothing anything, and once once the tags or whatever to
hit the electric fence, that's it they get. That'll keep it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, anything you'll have some you know, some legal group,
maybe the a c l U claim that that's inflicting
unjust pain on someone's constitutional rights.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
It's just a little shock to make them drop it
and run.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh no, no, I get it. I'd make it a bit,
I would make it a big shock. But that's neither.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
But I figured that electric French because you figured they
said they grabbing them and they're running out. If if
they grabbing they run and then all of a sudden
they go through the electric French area and it courts
a little tags on the clothing, stuns happening, leave it
and take off.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I don't know if such that such thing such exists.
Obviously you're you're applying the idea of the electric fence
with dog callers and stuff with Okay, that's that's not
a bad idea, Kevin. I kind of like that.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
I'm putting it with tags that they do on all
the clothing, like the magnets to make the thing to
make it beat. Yeah, they do the which calls that
will make the little things zapp whatever they're trying to
run through with. I think they'll drop it and take off.
There'll be less uh theft.
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that we've been on the air has some item that
I've said, because we're pretty generous with freebies here, so
thanks to college hype, you know, as they say. The
problem is whatever someone says, can I have one? If
I then say yes, then everybody's gonna call them, so well,
come one. Yeah right, I hear you.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I don't I don't want to start a trend, but yeah,
but I think the idea would really work.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think it's a great idea. I think it's a
great idea. We'll see what other people think about it
as well.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, that'll definitely stop all that that because if
they grab a whole bunch of actually grab they grab
a whole bunch of stuff and they try to run
to it, they're gonna get zapp, They're gonna drop, They're
gonna have many zapps.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, thank you, Kevin, Thanks Doug. Soon. Okay, call again
at night, Jim in Missouri. Jim, you were next on Nice.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I go ahead, Jim, and hey, thanks for taking the cap.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Good shirt? What's on your what's your take on this?
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Well, I just have an idea. I'm sure there's as
many ideas as there. There's kind of quite a few ideas.
But and the problem is it'll be like the customers
find paying customers won't like having to do it. But
like that stuff never happens at Costco because in order
to get in, you're identified. In order to get out,
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you know, really know exactly who you are. So you
just have people. I mean, you could have it be
a very simple thing where they just stick a credit
card in. It takes a picture of you, it takes
a ten dollars deposit, and when you leave you your
credit card in again, it gives you ten dollars back
and you go. That way, they know who everybody is
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in there, and people that are going to steal stuff
aren't going to put a ten dollar depositive down. They're
just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, that's that's not a bad idea either, Jim. Those
are two different ideas. I think that's a pretty good idea. Again,
it wouldn't bother me, but there would be something there's
always going to be selling well, I don't want to
buy privacy I'm going into and I want to be
able to maintain my bra It's not like you're going
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into porn shop. You're going into Lulu Lemons, or you're
going into Macy's or you're going into Bloomingdale's. And guess what.
Whoever thought that they would be locking up under lock
and key tubes of toothpaste?
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, But that's just an idea that I
think would prevent it because it's kind of like a social,
a social thing where and then if they did steal something,
you know, you'd have your idea rocks box solid identification
because that credit card is linked to their their bank
account and then they have they have. You're so security,
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all right, Jim.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Jim, I gave you an a plus for thinking outside
the box. Great, great suggestion. Thank you, Kep. You and
kevin't got the two best suggestions of the night. I
think you're better said they were better than mine, which
was so automatically lock the doors. We'll be back on
night side one line and six one seven nine three
one ten thirty six one seven nine three, one ten thirty. Uh,
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we're gonna finish really strong here. But again, so far
the men have dominated tonight, which to me is interesting
because we're talking about Lulu Lemon. We'll be back on
night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right, I'm gonna go to Evelyn in Boston. Evelyn,
you are next. Go right ahead, Evelyn.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
You know in the mountain of merchandise that they're losing
from them stealing, they should probably invest and get a
security out at the door.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, that's that's that's been mentioned before. But that's a
great idea. And hopefully if I were going to be
investing in the security guard, I'd want to hire an
off duty Boston police officer who would have the ability
to arrest somebody absolutely because they may look at they
may look at some twenty year old kid who's sitting
there with you know, a security on his on his
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sleeve of his jacket, and they realize he's just the
security guard. He has no power of arrest.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
But you have a police officer they're able to. If
they're able to get a police officer that's not on
duty to do special detail for them, that would work
out perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, there's a lot of police officers who are available.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
To absolute.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, Evelyn, thanks very much for calling in. That was
that was a fine, fine suggestion. Are you a first
time caller per chance or no? I am well we
got to give up on the round of applause. Look
at that you called in. We got you on and
you got your points made and uh and uh I
thank you for listening to Nightside. Please continue to listen
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and you call in any time. It was a really
a great call.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Thank you a great night. Let me go next to
I'm going to go to Kevin in Rhode Island to Kevin.
I think you were first caller from Rhode Island tonight,
so far, go right.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Ahead, hie hi dam, I don't think.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
How about it if you have a high pressure water system,
so you can just hit the button and soak the
hell out of them and that's the exiting the store.
And you can also you can also inject it with
a die, so even if they got away from the store,
they're still going to be easy to find.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I look, I'm will they have to There has to
be ways in which we can do that in such
in such a way that it's not going to hit
other people. Uh, you want to make sure that you're
not hitting some poor person who's walking down the sidewalk
with a high pressure system. But I suspect that there
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should be ways to do that. And guess what, you know,
what do they say necessity is the.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Mother of a store?
Speaker 11 (32:09):
You know right inside like you were saying, is you know,
lock the door and just soak the hell out of
the guy.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There were a lot of people didn't like my idea
of locking the door, but uh, I'm with you too,
you know, as they say, it would be great. Uh
if it would be great, if if someone came up
with that idea. I mean again, you know it's in
the pharmacies now, drug stores, they're they're locking toothpaste tubes
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ten dollars toothpaste tubes under lock and key. That just
causes inconvenience for other people. So, uh, we got to
come up with some ideas here. And I think this
is a good one. Where they get hit with some
sort of die uh and and they they're going to
walk down the street and they're gonna be they're gonna
be easy to spot.
Speaker 11 (32:59):
Simple is that you have to just hit him with
maple syrup or honey or something like that and sticky.
Somebody can't get a motor oil anything as far as
I'm for doing it, or.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Or hit him with some odum like the rotten egg
smell that that people nobody.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Likes, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh, you're my kind of guy, now.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Hey, Kevin, thanks you my guy to call and keep calling. Okay, thanks, buddy,
appreciate it. You're not a first time caller too, are you.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:31):
I am well in a row here.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Thank you, Kevin, Come on back soon. I appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Thanks, I will I'll try my bet.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
All right, let me go to Ellen in Boston. Ellen,
you were next do nights.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I go right ahead, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Hi.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Hi, just wanted Hi.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Thanks for calling? Go right ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
Oh you're welcome. I tuned in kind of late, so
I don't know if somebody made this suggestion or not,
but I was going to suggest maybe they should install
a buger system. They have that type of a system
at the jewelry stores on Washington Street in downtown Boston,
and the only way you can get in is they
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would buzz you in, and this way they can keep
track of the customers that are coming through the duo.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So let me ask you what. Okay, they have to
buzz you in. I get that. Then do they buzz
do they buzz you out.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
That time? I'm not too sure because it's been quite
a quite a number of years.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, No, I think that's I think sometimes the simplest
solutions of the solutions that have gone before. Yeah, that's
that's the thought. I mean, it seemed to me that
if if you had to be buzzed in, right, you
might make the assumption that you'd have to be buzzed out,
and therefore you almost grant an acknowledgment when you when
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you buzz in that you also there's almost you might
even have some little sign that by buzzing you in, uh,
you agree that you can only leave when you were
buzzed out.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
That's that's impossibility.
Speaker 12 (35:12):
Yeah, Okay, I said, this has been a number of
years since I've been in one of those.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, everybody going into the sense.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Yeah, so at the time, it wasn't Macy's, it was
Jordan Maush.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Everything changes, Everything changes, Ellen. Are you a first time
I'm asking the question because we've had a bunch of
g are you a first time calling?
Speaker 12 (35:38):
First time calling? But I have listened to your show.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Thank God for that. Thank God for that. That's three
in a row, Ellen night.
Speaker 12 (35:48):
What if what is lol Lemon? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh, it's a high end women It's a high end
women's retail chain. If you know any woman under the
age of forty thereby Lulu Lemon. Trust me on that.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Okay, Yeah, I've.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
Never heard the name before. I noticed it on the news.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Well, it's a high end.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's it's a store, it's a women's very contemporary. Uh,
you go in to Lulu Lemon, you're bringing your your
credit card with you and you walking on with you
think is very stylish clothing. I'm gonna sneak. I gotta
sneak one more in here. Okay, thanks so much. Okay,
we'll talk. Have a great eat me too, Ellen, Thanks
very much. Then I go to John and deb and
(36:29):
John are gonna get you in here under the wire,
go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Sorry, Dan, I've called before.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So that's okay. You broke the streak, but uh, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Know it's it is. It doesn't matter what message you use.
I think you can't touch it for as long as
there's little or no consequence, it's going to continue. It's
not complicated, and you know, I don't want to turn
this political, but I don't think I have a choice
that the Democrats need the criminal or criminal family votes.
If if you remember a while back, there was like
(36:58):
a stabbing or potential stapping in a Chick fil A
in Boston. Yes, yes, I think the duty officers shot
the suspect.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And killed them.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I believe they got and may whose first thoughts were
with the suspect, not the possible victims, not the officer.
That's for some reason, I don't know why the Democrats
just again, I can think it's they need their votes.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well, I think I know why. I think it's one
that they assume that people who commit crime, their view
is that that people are not criminals per se, that
they commit crime because the economic system forces them into
a bad set of circumstances. I do think that is
at the core of their which is wrong too, by
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the way, because there's plenty of people who are born
poor and they're very successful, and there were plenty of
people who were born wealthy. Look at Prince Andrew, uh
the guy over in England and who hasn't earned a
dollar in his entire life, and is a complete reprobate.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
They're going to make excuses. You know that. I understand
that like fifty years ago. But when you look at
some of these people who are stealing, they're not poor,
they're they're and for what I hear when when they
have the smash of grabs London's the crime is organized.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
A great big time. When you yeah, when you see
fifteen and twenty people blowing in through a door, all
of whom have hammers and screwdrivers and and they're all
already coming in, it isn't a coincidence that they that
eighteen or twenty people decided to rob the jewelry store
at that precise moment in time. Love to call John,
thank you for nasting.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Thanks one last thing. If I could have had time,
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'm gonna hold you over because I'm flat up against
the news. I'll hold you over. We'll start with you
on the other time. We're gonna stay with this. Keep
calling six one, seven, two, four ten thirty, six one seven,
nine thirty. This has been a great topic. And guess
what you were welcome to join the conversation.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray I WBS Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well to thank my guest last hour of Bostony council
Ed Flynn. We talked about and we're going to continue
to talk about retail thefts. Retail thefts at Boston stores
and has come to the four in the last few
days with repeated retail thefts by a group of young people.
I'm not gonna call them kids, although I sometimes slip
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into that people who have no respect for the work
that the people in the store do. They go in
and they just scoop as much off. Lulu Lemon is
a high end store, so they have high end quality products.
If you're going to steal anywhere from where, I guess
you're gonna pick a Lulu Lemon. These are on Newberry Street.
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It's going to adversely impact other stores on Newbury Street.
I read today so one of the articles today that
there was a store that had pottery on display outdoors
and kids were walking and just taking the pottery. That
young people young people. Okay, that's not to say that
older people might not do the same thing, but in
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terms of the video that we have seen of these
gangs who come in, uh and just we've seen smash
and grab and other communities. You've seen across the country
people going in twenty fifteen twenty people going in and
overwhelming a jewelry store and smashing and just grabbing whatever
they want.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This is why when you go to your local pharmacy
or your local CBS, so your Walgreen, and you try
to get a tube of toothpaste, you have to get
the person who unlock the tube of toothpaste because it
costs eight bucks or nine bucks or whatever. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
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thirty Those are the two numbers. And as they say,
we talked about the Lululemon theft's last hour, I want
to hear from some some female callers. So far we've
had a lot of mame callers. Let's hear from the
female callers as well. This is going to affect prices
in stores that are besized. And this has been happening
to Lululemon stores by the way around the country and
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also up into Canada for the last year. They are
being targeted. What are they going to do? I made
a suggestion. No one seemed well except Joe and Lynn.
Let me go to John and Brookline. John next on Nightside,
Go right ahead? Is John there? If we can put
them on hold? If we have to, let's put them
on hold and we'll come back to John in a moment.
(02:32):
Wasn't ready. Let's go to Chris down in the Cape.
Chris on Cape Corg. Go right ahead, Chris.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, Hi Dan, as well as intended as your suggestion
is to lock the door before they get out, yeah,
I think that you'd be basically facing a false imprisonment,
and God forbid, the real customers in the store that
intend to shop and pay are then imprisoned with the criminals.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, okay, well let me give you let me let
me turn it around on you. Let's assume you're a
store owner and you have this ability and you see
a couple of people get out of a car with
guns walking towards your door. Do you think that that
procedure of locking the doors, uh would be as onerous?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I think you lock them out before they get in.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But you were you're still you're still waste, You've still imprisoned.
Then you're arguing the people who are customers in the store,
you've imprisoned. You're you're trying to argue that that we've
imprisoned people in the store. So what I'm saying is
you could you under your theory, we could lock people
in the store to prevent thieves from coming in, but
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we can't lock people in the store prevent to prevent
thieves from leaving with with with items of great.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Value, but they don't leave the store. You're suggesting that
if they have an armful of goods and are heading
to the door, as I understood your.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yes, exactly, you understood exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's correct, and there's no theft until they leave the
plane of the store, because you have to prove, from
a prosecutor's standpoint, an intent to permanently deprive the owner
of the store.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh, I think that if you've seen any of the
videos lately, it's pretty clear what the intent of those
young people are. But that's okay. I understand the point
you're making, and I'm sure that there would be some
defense lawyers who would jump to the opportunity to defend
some young felons. But at some point in time, once
they're out of the store, they're gone forever. You do
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understand the.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Reality, Well, if they had I think that there are
measures that could be taken. Like was previously indicated, that
you either have a security guard that has proper authority
to make arrests once the theft has taken place, and
it doesn't take place until they're out the door.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think that when you see someone with fifteen or
twenty items running towards the door, I think you can,
a reasonable person can that they were not running towards
the door to try them on out of the street.
They were running towards the door to leave the premises
with the items.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, but then you lock them in with the other customers,
And that's the problem I have. And I know it's
well intended, but I would also suggest that you know
you're putting innocent consumers and the employees at risk by
keeping the criminals in the door once you saw them
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leaving or attempting.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
To understand the point you're making. But we have reached
a point in society here where things are just breaking down, okay,
and I think that sometimes you have to think outside
the box, and even the thread of that might convince
some of these young thieves that it's not a good
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idea to go into a store and run out. We've
seen it. Look you've seen. Let me ask you this.
Let's assume I saw a video the other day of
a jewelry store in Los Angeles about fifteen or twenty kids,
young people came in through the door. They smashed the
glass display cases, and they were grabbing whatever they could
(06:37):
possibly grab. Now, let's assume that those they were able
to lock the door. Do you think that a prosecutor
wouldn't be able to prosecute the people who smashed the
cases and then had grabbed things out of the cases
for attempted to steal.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I think that that would be a perfectly reasonable prosecution.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What I'm saying, so, what is the difference then, What
is the difference between the individual comes in with a hammer,
breaks glass, grabs items, and heads to the door, and
the door comes and closes as somebody who comes in
and grabs with three for other people grabbing fifteen or
twenty dresses and is running towards the door.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think there's a distinction there because you're actually, you know,
committing you know, malicious destruction and other issues. But my
only point is I think your point is well intended.
But I think that going to the bank robber or
the bank teller that installing a buzzer that's a direct
(07:47):
line to the police might be a safer safeguard and
if they get out, they get out. But at the
same time, I don't think you can.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I do understand the concern that you have. I get it,
but I'm I like to think outside the box. And again,
by thinking outside the box, I get intelligent callers like
you to call and uh and disagree with me, which
is which is part of what this program is supposed
to be about. Different points of view. So I thank
you for calling, kid, Chris, you know that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Okay, okay, thank you much, great Dren, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good night, Welcome back, and John from Brookline will be up.
He'll be leaning off right after the break on like
one line, open six, one seven, Coming right back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm bes Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Back to the phones we go. We're gonna try John
and Brookline one more time. Hey, John, welcome back. How
are you?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
John? Are you there?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I can have it here, but we'll give it a try.
Go right ahead, John, Yeah, your idea is is work
of a little risky uh huh years ago. I'm talking
fifty years ago. It was come he called Sonotrol and
I think they're gone now. But they had a machine
that went off. The sound would deafen an elephant and
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it would scare the hell out of everybody that's in
the store. That would maybe the people might drop their
goods and run out.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Esther will be laying on the floor from the four seasons.
But because of the sound, I mean it was deafening.
And then these flashlights went off. Yeah, this was back
in the seventies and what happened.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
What happened to that did that fall out?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But the sound, I mean it would really shock you.
The sound had like a wolf of sound that you
see in the police car. Yeah, and it went off sudden.
It would startle whoever except for Esther. Uh, it would.
It would really I think that people would drop some
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of the goods and run out of the place.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah. Well again my opinion.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Is that's an old system. But we had it, and
when it did go off, you couldn't believe the how
loud it was.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean I just think that I don't know.
Maybe what you could do is you could have some
There has to be something that for example, let's say
that I'll give you another example that just thought of
what about if you had some sort of hose that
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could spray paint people as they're leaving the store with
that with that that product, you know, I mean something
that would be offensive. And there has to be something
out there that someone has an idea that they could
come up with which would not only prevent the theft
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from occurring, but discourage people from even thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Well, the thing is like back was that system I'm
talking about was fifty years ago in work line? Yeah,
and when the thing went off was flash loud flashbulbs.
They get their picture take and they weren't, but they were,
they thought they were, and they ran out And.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well they should all understand all of these people who
do this. John Sorrow on TV this weekend the video
their faces were splashed all over the TVs. Uh scrats.
And you would think that that just the mere presence
of cameras inside of these stores would discouraged these but
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apparently not. They think they could get away with it.
What will discourage it is if there's some serious prosecutions.
But I don't have much faith in the district attorney
here in Suffolk County to do it well. I don't know.
I mean, I have a faith in Tim Cruise in
Plymouth County. He's a great DA.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I have.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I have some faith in Joe Early in Worcester County,
but there's a lot of the d And I used
to have great faith in Michael O'Keeffe down at the
Cape and John Blodging in Essex County. But Keith and
Blatchett have both left, So you get these these new
das who choose not to prosecute people. And yeah, the
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robbers figured it out pretty pretty quickly, John, Thank you
for calling, and.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Thank you' the what's the guy named Rollins one time
in the case that was strong.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, Rawlins was down there for a while. He preceded
Michael O'Keefe, who's who was a great DA in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And I was a tough guy. Absolutely, shows are great shows,
a great uh. I'm now a speaker. I couldn't do
it for years, but now I can.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Good. Keep calling.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I love what you're doing. I love what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks, John, appreciate you call. Thank you so much. Let's
keep rolling here. We got Phil in Boston coming up next. Phil,
you are next on Nightsider.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Right ahead, Phil I.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I can hear you perfectly. Phil.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Several things some pretty good at this. I fell from
the cave. Had an idea he could be that could
be Libel that the only thing that might work is
if you can't have one set of doors, because what
a Covia spirit can be waiting outside and when a
bad guy runs out, he opens the door, and but
the time he gets out, he's coming in and the
doors open and get in. Might work with two sets
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of doors. And you mentioned the paints. They do it
with these. I've seen them in stores. But they have
a little thing magnetic things you get, you know, they
they have tools to take these things off the bad guys.
If if a bad guy just just wants to grab it,
if he goes through the metal thing whatever, it'll explode
and those clothes will get off. And I had that's
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a longer ie this too. But how about years ago?
These have a guy and those times sound crazy, But
these these have a follow on on a on a
horse and nuber streets. That would be kind of a
discouragement for somebody. I mean, I know it's old fashioned,
but they did away with that. I guess the horses, which.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Is I don't know about that. The problem is, I
think the horses are are a good police presence. But
I don't think the problem with with horses. I think
you chasing someone down on Newbury Street, you're gonna end
up the horses, gonna end up with a broken leg,
He's gonna step in the pothole something. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Yeah, it's gotta because you know, if they keep doing it,
I mean, I don't know what what can you do?
I mean, the break into the Louver was mousinum is
stealing millions of dollars. But they can do that, I mean,
what can't they What can't they do? I mean, you
can't make the stuff up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's literally well they made it easier for people in Boston.
I mean the Louver of those were professional thieves, high
end and I don't know if they'll be caught or not,
but they they they really had to think. This is
pretty easy. All you young kids, the young thieves are told, look,
go in there, four or five you each of you
(14:56):
grab you know, as many as you can, and you're
not going to get prosecuted for anything. As it's undred
twelve hundred dollars. Thank you very much. Rachel Rawlins appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Oh, young kids might get yeah that I gets in
a gang and then once they get into that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You got it, you got it. And I phil thank
you much as always, thank you my friend. We lost
Gloria from Salem. Gloria, call back if you lost your contact,
and we'll get you. We'll get you to the head
of the line. I promise. Let me go to Dave
in Boston. Dave you next time nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Hey, how are you good evening?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'm doing great. Thanks for calling in, Dave. Your thoughts
on any of this, anyone that we have discussed tonight.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, and I apologize if this came up before I
was tuned in, but I work part time in retail. Yes,
and I'll tell you it's there's not a night goes
by that I don't see someone skial something. Really, it's
really sad. And as I think you know, we're not
allowed to stop them. The if we do, it's funny.
(15:59):
If we try to stop someone do the right thing
and stop somebody from committing a crime, we're the ones
that get fired.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, I've seen that, you know, Dave. I know you,
I know of what you speak. I've seen that, and
it just seems to me that we have lost our way.
We have lost our way as a society here. I
mean it's like there's an old story, you know, that
your guys walking down the street and he sees this
(16:25):
group of thugs attack an elderly woman.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And the police come along and they break the fight up,
and they saved the woman. And they say to the
guy across the street, Hey, why do you do something?
And he said, well, it wasn't true who started the fight.
I mean, everybody has an excuse not to get involved
in anything, you know. And that's and we just have
kind of lost our way as a society. It's better
to turn and look the other way. Ridiculous, I know.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Well, but I disagree that it is better too. But
I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You know, yeah, well it's the society. Believe the people
who are in positions of influence other than at Flynn,
who they sees things pretty pretty well. You would when
the DA's a saying, oh, let's let's raise the amount
that can be stolen from a store, and all of
these small little variety stores, pidagos whatever you want to
call them. Uh, in poorer communities they shut their doors,
(17:20):
and then the politicians say it's a food desert. There's
there's no no option for people who live in the communities. Well,
the reason is those people are victimized secondarily by crime.
The person who's who's victimized primarily is the store owner.
But now the people no longer have the store to
go to shop to uh where they can go to
shop easily and conveniently, they become victims of crime.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Right And you know what they tell us is, you know,
we don't want you to approach anybody because we don't
want you to get hurt. It's for your own protection.
The reality is that they don't want the loss. And
when people say it was raised to so, they were
profiled and therefore that's why we we well.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
There's a there's a lot of that but but but
but in point of fact, there's there's there's people who
are thieves of all backgrounds, of all racial backgrounds, of
all genders. There are uh, you know, it should it
should not be looked upon as any as anything that's
endemic to one group of people. It's it's it's people
who feel they can they can they can game the system.
(18:25):
That's all they're doing, and they have they have some
prosecutors who are more than happy to just say, hey,
you know, no big deal, we're not going to prosecute.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
We are allowed to do well. They you know, the
loss prevention is offer great customer service. So if you
see someone you think you're stealing or whatever, you know,
feel free to walk down the aisle there. I'd be like, oh,
ain't gonna help you with anything to let them know
that there's a presence. But you can't be like I
just saw you fill up your baby carriage with stuff
(18:56):
and you don't have a baby in it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah. Well, I have a friend of mine who who
owns a liquor store, and he saw a guy. They
have cameras in liquor store. He saw a guy who
were taking like five or six very expensive bottles of liquor.
And when he went to the counter, he you know,
watched the guy. The guy put one lique you know,
he made as if he was buying one bottle of liquor.
(19:21):
And so the owner said to him, you're gonna put
the other bottles up on the counter, and the guy
just you know, grabbed his bag and ran. The owner
chased after him. The owner caught him. The guy threw
one bottle of liquor at the owner, which is assaulted
batter of the dangerous weapon. The owner then grabbed the
bag that had the bottles, most of the bottles to
(19:42):
recover his own property, which he did. He goes back
to the store and this guy's driver's licenses there, I
think his birth certificate and also indication of he had
just been released from the Suffolk County House of Correction
and so he asked us on to the authorities. And
(20:03):
this was a year ago. In June, he got a
phone call from the Suffolk County Diaz office that said
we've disposed of the matter, and he said, this is
now in September. When they called him, he said, what
do you mean you disposed? Well, we could close the matter.
Well did the guy was he? Did he take a pleae? No,
we dismissed it or whatever. They put him on probation
(20:23):
for thirty days or something, but they never called him
as a witness although he was the victim of the
assault and battery and also the victim is the owner
of So thank you very much, Suffolk County prosecutors for
letting that guy out. And they had they had the
guy did the right they had. I mean they literally
had his birth certificate and I think his driver's license
(20:43):
in the same bag.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
One more quick thing, Yeah, there there is testing now
of you know, you'll see high end items with censors
on them that have to be you know, removed when
they check out.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh sure, but yeah, all that does is that makes
a noise when they when they walk out the door.
But if they're being allowed to walk out the door,
I don't know, I don't know how they rip the
sensor off.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
They have trackers on them, just like when you when
you have you know that whatever the apple singing your wallet,
case you lose your wallet.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Okay, that's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Unaware of that now that allows you to like follow
the beep and c So let me ask you the.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Sensors that when you buy, we'll go to buy the
item at Bloomingdale's or Macy's or something like that, and
if it's over a certain amount of money, they have
a device which takes the clip off. It can those
clips be removed by other by other people? I mean,
I'm assuming if if other people, if thieves can take
the clips off, they can take the clips, throw them
(21:49):
into the woods and and and go in the merry
way right there.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
But they're not as easy to get off as you think, gotchay.
And the thing about them is they're made in such
a way that like it's when you try and rip
it off, if you don't have the right tools or
what have you, you ruin the clothes, you ruin the items.
So then it's no value for reseil, you know, for
you to pond or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Very informative phone, Eurhasy, Very informative phone. Thanks Dave, all right,
take you, thank you soon. Here comes the news at
the bottom of the aisle. The only line is six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. This has hit
a nerve, so ladies join the conversation. So far I
spent all men. I love the men, but I want
to hear from my female listeners as well. Six one
(22:33):
seven nine three one ten thirty. Lulu Lemon. Most patrons
of Lululemon are female. Well, that discourage you from going
in there, knowing that Lulu Lemon and I was being
targeted by these thieves, not only here but across the country.
Back on nights Side after.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
This, you're on night Side with Dan ray On BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Let's keep rolling here only line ail only one, line six, one, seven,
two thirty call now, I'll get you in before the
eleven oclock News. Kevin in New Bedford, Kevin next on
nightside goright ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
How are you doing, Dan? First time call?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
First time caller? Or how I get you? Round of
applause there, you're much kind of appreciate my digital studio audience.
Got ahead, Kevin.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
I just want to let you know these companies, you know,
they have all this the smashing grab and all that stuff.
They got, they got the cure right under their nose.
Is that now they have the machine. Now they have
the sheet, the machine that makes everything deep. When they're
going out with they got to take the little tags
off the clothing and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Well if they can do if they can do that
with h like what's that called electric fence? You they
put the things at the doorway and when they try
to run out with it, the little things things happy.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh I see, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I see
what you're meaning. Yeah, Well, but you don't you have
to have contact with the skin at that point. It was,
for example, when you put an electric fence.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
No, if they if they run through it with either
clothing anything, and once once the tags or whatever to
hit the electric fence, that's it they get. That'll keep it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, anything you'll have some you know, some legal group,
maybe the a c l U claim that that's inflicting
unjust pain on someone's constitutional rights.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
It's just a little shock to make them drop it
and run.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh no, no, I get it. I'd make it a bit,
I would make it a big shock. But that's neither.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
But I figured that electric French because you figured they
said they grabbing them and they're running out. If if
they grabbing they run and then all of a sudden
they go through the electric French area and it courts
a little tags on the clothing, stuns happening, leave it
and take off.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I don't know if such that such thing such exists.
Obviously you're you're applying the idea of the electric fence
with dog callers and stuff with Okay, that's that's not
a bad idea, Kevin. I kind of like that.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
I'm putting it with tags that they do on all
the clothing, like the magnets to make the thing to
make it beat. Yeah, they do the which calls that
will make the little things zapp whatever they're trying to
run through with. I think they'll drop it and take off.
There'll be less uh theft.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Kevin, Kevin, I I got you down as one of
the best ideas of the night. Thank you very much,
a great first call. Thank you keep calling.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Okay, you can send me one of your mugs.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We're not giving any mugs away tonight, but I'll tell
you what you call. Call again and remind me. I'll
see what I can do. I can tell you this,
Kevin did the best buy in the world. Just go
to nightside gear dot com. I wish I could give
away mugs to everybody in the audience. I wish you
give away hats, T shirts, sweatshirts.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
But uh, that's that's okay, that's okay, I got.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
It, but you can get it.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
Was a good idea when I was thinking of it.
That's why I said, let me And well, I hope.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's not why you called. And I hope you'll continue
to call. Uh and there will be somebody right okay. Uh,
if you want a mug, just for the it costs.
I think with chipping twenty dollars then they're great mugs. Okay,
but that's idear dot com. Check them out and if not,
we'll we'll get around to him. Because I think most
(26:21):
everybody's listening to my show for the nineteen years now
that we've been on the air has some item that
I've said, because we're pretty generous with freebies here, so
thanks to college hype, you know, as they say. The
problem is whatever someone says, can I have one? If
I then say yes, then everybody's gonna call them, so well,
come one. Yeah right, I hear you.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I don't I don't want to start a trend, but yeah,
but I think the idea would really work.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think it's a great idea. I think it's a
great idea. We'll see what other people think about it
as well.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, that'll definitely stop all that that because if
they grab a whole bunch of actually grab they grab
a whole bunch of stuff and they try to run
to it, they're gonna get zapp, They're gonna drop, They're
gonna have many zapps.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, thank you, Kevin, Thanks Doug. Soon. Okay, call again
at night, Jim in Missouri. Jim, you were next on Nice.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I go ahead, Jim, and hey, thanks for taking the cap.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Good shirt? What's on your what's your take on this?
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Well, I just have an idea. I'm sure there's as
many ideas as there. There's kind of quite a few ideas.
But and the problem is it'll be like the customers
find paying customers won't like having to do it. But
like that stuff never happens at Costco because in order
to get in, you're identified. In order to get out,
(27:44):
you know, really know exactly who you are. So you
just have people. I mean, you could have it be
a very simple thing where they just stick a credit
card in. It takes a picture of you, it takes
a ten dollars deposit, and when you leave you your
credit card in again, it gives you ten dollars back
and you go. That way, they know who everybody is
(28:05):
in there, and people that are going to steal stuff
aren't going to put a ten dollar depositive down. They're
just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, that's that's not a bad idea either, Jim. Those
are two different ideas. I think that's a pretty good idea. Again,
it wouldn't bother me, but there would be something there's
always going to be selling well, I don't want to
buy privacy I'm going into and I want to be
able to maintain my bra It's not like you're going
(28:34):
into porn shop. You're going into Lulu Lemons, or you're
going into Macy's or you're going into Bloomingdale's. And guess what.
Whoever thought that they would be locking up under lock
and key tubes of toothpaste?
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, But that's just an idea that I
think would prevent it because it's kind of like a social,
a social thing where and then if they did steal something,
you know, you'd have your idea rocks box solid identification
because that credit card is linked to their their bank
account and then they have they have. You're so security,
(29:10):
all right, Jim.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Jim, I gave you an a plus for thinking outside
the box. Great, great suggestion. Thank you, Kep. You and
kevin't got the two best suggestions of the night. I
think you're better said they were better than mine, which
was so automatically lock the doors. We'll be back on
night side one line and six one seven nine three
one ten thirty six one seven nine three, one ten thirty. Uh,
(29:34):
we're gonna finish really strong here. But again, so far
the men have dominated tonight, which to me is interesting
because we're talking about Lulu Lemon. We'll be back on
night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right, I'm gonna go to Evelyn in Boston. Evelyn,
you are next. Go right ahead, Evelyn.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
You know in the mountain of merchandise that they're losing
from them stealing, they should probably invest and get a
security out at the door.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, that's that's that's been mentioned before. But that's a
great idea. And hopefully if I were going to be
investing in the security guard, I'd want to hire an
off duty Boston police officer who would have the ability
to arrest somebody absolutely because they may look at they
may look at some twenty year old kid who's sitting
there with you know, a security on his on his
(30:26):
sleeve of his jacket, and they realize he's just the
security guard. He has no power of arrest.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
But you have a police officer they're able to. If
they're able to get a police officer that's not on
duty to do special detail for them, that would work
out perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, there's a lot of police officers who are available.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
To absolute.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, Evelyn, thanks very much for calling in. That was
that was a fine, fine suggestion. Are you a first
time caller per chance or no? I am well we
got to give up on the round of applause. Look
at that you called in. We got you on and
you got your points made and uh and uh I
thank you for listening to Nightside. Please continue to listen
(31:06):
and you call in any time. It was a really
a great call.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Thank you a great night. Let me go next to
I'm going to go to Kevin in Rhode Island to Kevin.
I think you were first caller from Rhode Island tonight,
so far, go right.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Ahead, hie hi dam, I don't think.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
How about it if you have a high pressure water system,
so you can just hit the button and soak the
hell out of them and that's the exiting the store.
And you can also you can also inject it with
a die, so even if they got away from the store,
they're still going to be easy to find.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I look, I'm will they have to There has to
be ways in which we can do that in such
in such a way that it's not going to hit
other people. Uh, you want to make sure that you're
not hitting some poor person who's walking down the sidewalk
with a high pressure system. But I suspect that there
(32:01):
should be ways to do that. And guess what, you know,
what do they say necessity is the.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Mother of a store?
Speaker 11 (32:09):
You know right inside like you were saying, is you know,
lock the door and just soak the hell out of
the guy.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There were a lot of people didn't like my idea
of locking the door, but uh, I'm with you too,
you know, as they say, it would be great. Uh
if it would be great, if if someone came up
with that idea. I mean again, you know it's in
the pharmacies now, drug stores, they're they're locking toothpaste tubes
(32:38):
ten dollars toothpaste tubes under lock and key. That just
causes inconvenience for other people. So, uh, we got to
come up with some ideas here. And I think this
is a good one. Where they get hit with some
sort of die uh and and they they're going to
walk down the street and they're gonna be they're gonna
be easy to spot.
Speaker 11 (32:59):
Simple is that you have to just hit him with
maple syrup or honey or something like that and sticky.
Somebody can't get a motor oil anything as far as
I'm for doing it, or.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Or hit him with some odum like the rotten egg
smell that that people nobody.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
Likes, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh, you're my kind of guy, now.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Hey, Kevin, thanks you my guy to call and keep calling. Okay, thanks, buddy,
appreciate it. You're not a first time caller too, are you.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:31):
I am well in a row here.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Thank you, Kevin, Come on back soon. I appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Thanks, I will I'll try my bet.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
All right, let me go to Ellen in Boston. Ellen,
you were next do nights.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I go right ahead, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Hi.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Hi, just wanted Hi.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Thanks for calling? Go right ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
Oh you're welcome. I tuned in kind of late, so
I don't know if somebody made this suggestion or not,
but I was going to suggest maybe they should install
a buger system. They have that type of a system
at the jewelry stores on Washington Street in downtown Boston,
and the only way you can get in is they
(34:15):
would buzz you in, and this way they can keep
track of the customers that are coming through the duo.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So let me ask you what. Okay, they have to
buzz you in. I get that. Then do they buzz
do they buzz you out.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
That time? I'm not too sure because it's been quite
a quite a number of years.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
No, No, I think that's I think sometimes the simplest
solutions of the solutions that have gone before. Yeah, that's
that's the thought. I mean, it seemed to me that
if if you had to be buzzed in, right, you
might make the assumption that you'd have to be buzzed out,
and therefore you almost grant an acknowledgment when you when
(34:58):
you buzz in that you also there's almost you might
even have some little sign that by buzzing you in, uh,
you agree that you can only leave when you were
buzzed out.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
That's that's impossibility.
Speaker 12 (35:12):
Yeah, Okay, I said, this has been a number of
years since I've been in one of those.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, everybody going into the sense.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Yeah, so at the time, it wasn't Macy's, it was
Jordan Maush.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Everything changes, Everything changes, Ellen. Are you a first time
I'm asking the question because we've had a bunch of
g are you a first time calling?
Speaker 12 (35:38):
First time calling? But I have listened to your show.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Thank God for that. Thank God for that. That's three
in a row, Ellen night.
Speaker 12 (35:48):
What if what is lol Lemon? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh, it's a high end women It's a high end
women's retail chain. If you know any woman under the
age of forty thereby Lulu Lemon. Trust me on that.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Okay, Yeah, I've.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
Never heard the name before. I noticed it on the news.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Well, it's a high end.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's it's a store, it's a women's very contemporary. Uh,
you go in to Lulu Lemon, you're bringing your your
credit card with you and you walking on with you
think is very stylish clothing. I'm gonna sneak. I gotta
sneak one more in here. Okay, thanks so much. Okay,
we'll talk. Have a great eat me too, Ellen, Thanks
very much. Then I go to John and deb and
(36:29):
John are gonna get you in here under the wire,
go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Sorry, Dan, I've called before.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So that's okay. You broke the streak, but uh, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Know it's it is. It doesn't matter what message you use.
I think you can't touch it for as long as
there's little or no consequence, it's going to continue. It's
not complicated, and you know, I don't want to turn
this political, but I don't think I have a choice
that the Democrats need the criminal or criminal family votes.
If if you remember a while back, there was like
(36:58):
a stabbing or potential stapping in a Chick fil A
in Boston. Yes, yes, I think the duty officers shot
the suspect.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And killed them.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I believe they got and may whose first thoughts were
with the suspect, not the possible victims, not the officer.
That's for some reason, I don't know why the Democrats
just again, I can think it's they need their votes.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well, I think I know why. I think it's one
that they assume that people who commit crime, their view
is that that people are not criminals per se, that
they commit crime because the economic system forces them into
a bad set of circumstances. I do think that is
at the core of their which is wrong too, by
(37:40):
the way, because there's plenty of people who are born
poor and they're very successful, and there were plenty of
people who were born wealthy. Look at Prince Andrew, uh
the guy over in England and who hasn't earned a
dollar in his entire life, and is a complete reprobate.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
They're going to make excuses. You know that. I understand
that like fifty years ago. But when you look at
some of these people who are stealing, they're not poor,
they're they're and for what I hear when when they
have the smash of grabs London's the crime is organized.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
A great big time. When you yeah, when you see
fifteen and twenty people blowing in through a door, all
of whom have hammers and screwdrivers and and they're all
already coming in, it isn't a coincidence that they that
eighteen or twenty people decided to rob the jewelry store
at that precise moment in time. Love to call John,
thank you for nasting.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Thanks one last thing. If I could have had time,
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'm gonna hold you over because I'm flat up against
the news. I'll hold you over. We'll start with you
on the other time. We're gonna stay with this. Keep
calling six one, seven, two, four ten thirty, six one seven,
nine thirty. This has been a great topic. And guess
what you were welcome to join the conversation.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.