September 2, 2025 • 36 mins
The long-awaited Market Basket mediation is set to take place this week in Delaware between CEO Arthur T Demoulas and his three sisters, who have all been feuding for months. What’s there to mediate? Amidst the ongoing family feud, the future of Market Basket is a key factor, according to many embroiled in the feud. The grocery chain has 90 stores in four states: MA, RI, NH, and ME. Are you hopeful that there will be a mutually successful resolution? What do you think the future of Market Basket will look like and are you at all concerned that prices would change?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's Night Side with Dan Ray i Wbzston's Radio. Just
as a bit of a follow up to my interview
with Colonel Jeffrey Noble of the Massachusetts State Police, the
head of the Massachusetts State Police. UH, and specifically for Steve,
the fellow who called in from where him with a
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twenty two year old grandson. The Cadet program which is
a way that people can be be incorporated into the
State Police. As for applicants young men and women between
the ages of nineteen and twenty five. The website you
should check out and Steven, case you missed it here
it is one more time mass dot gov so m
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A S S dot g O V slash guides like
you know guides g U I D E s slash
Cadet c A D E T hyphen program.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
UH.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If you want to try to become a State Police
officer by going the more traditional route, taking the examination
and qualifying and going through the State Police Academy, you
need to be between the ages of twenty one and
thirty four. If you are over the age of thirty four,
you have in effect aged out. And again the Cadet
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program is away which people can kind of get a
sense of it without being fully immersed, and it's almost
like the equivalent of an on the job training or
an apprentice type program. And then obviously you have to
take examinations, etc. And pass all the qualifications. But again,
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I read this article today that they had I don't
know it was ten thousand people at some job fear
of people who wanted to become ice agents. Massachusettstate Police
is a great job. It's a prestigious organization. There was
a point in time for many, many years here in
Massachusetts when it was still when it was considered the
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premier law enforcement agency in Massachusetts. There have been a
few bad apples that have besmirched or sullied the reputation
in recent years, but I do think that under the
leadership of Colonel Noble, that the reputation of this organization
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may very well get restored a lot more quickly than
we realize.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we'll have to see. And if Rob has.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That website mass dot gov, slash guides, slash cadet hyphen program,
you can call Rob if you would like and he
can share that with you. Now Tomorrow, September third, there's
going to be a meeting in the state of Delaware
and why the state of Delaware. Well, the state of
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Delaware is the corporate capital of the world and which
for years, it seems, has has this family feud going on.
Market Basket a grocery chain here not only in Massachusetts,
but with stores in Maine, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island.
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They have about ninety stores in the four states. They're
a huge company. They're huge company, huge stores. You know,
if you go to other stores, if you go to
Roach Brothers, if you go to Trader Joe's, if you
go to Wegman's, if you go to Shaw's, if you
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go to any of the competitors, none of these stores
on a square footage basis come close to market Basket.
I mean, one of the things about market Basket is
it's just asle after asle after aisle.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Huge you know, departments. Literally.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't think there's anything that you can get at
any grocery store which is not available at market Basket.
But anyway, market Basket was embroiled ten years ago. I
guess it was twenty fourteen in this frat precide between
Arthur T. De Mulis and a cousin. I think it
was Arthur s. De Mulis and Arthur T. De Mulis one.
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But then there was essentially a coup.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Arthur T.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
De Mulis had the support of his three sisters back
in twenty fourteen. But in market Basket functioned fairly quietly,
if you will, for about ten years, and then last
spring there was a change of direction, a change of leadership.
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The three Demullis sisters and they're not that their names
are important, but just Francis de Mulis Kettenbach, Glory Anne
Demullis Farnham and Karen Demullis Pasqually. They basically voted to
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remove their brother as the CEO. Now at this point
it's a privately held company. It's not a publicly traded company,
but it is I think, in my opinion, the most
popular grocery chain here in eastern Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,
in Maine, and it's They're ninety stores up and down
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pretty much anywhere eastern mass They don't go far west.
I remember being in a market Basket in Ashland many
years ago. It was nothing like the market Basket of
today that I'm familiar with. It is, it's a very
impressive operation. So the three sisters had sixty have sixty
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one point three percent of the stock, so a little
over sixty percent they control. As long as they stand together,
they control the company.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Arthur Demulis, who.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
From all that I have read, is the guy who
has given his life to the company and has won
the company effectively, has just short of thirty percent twenty
eight point four percent, and grandchildren have ten point three percent.
So the company is wholly owned by members of the
de Mulis family, and right now it is a it
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is a nasty, nasty breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We interviewed a couple of the key members of the
Demulis team, Joe Schmidt, uh and well, anyway there, I
got to get the got to get all the names
in front of me. There's too there's too many players
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that are are involved. Gordon and Joe Smith, they had
served market basket between the two of them, it's eighty
nine years or eighty eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One think Joe was.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Thirty nine years and Tom Gordon was not the former
Red Sox pitcher. By the way, Tom Gordon forty nine
years and they were dismissed along with dam with Arthur Demoulis,
and so they're having a mediation session tomorrow. Now, maybe
there's someone out there who can explain to me. I
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guess the mediation session could go one or two days.
I don't see how there's anything to compromise over again,
schedule for one and if necessary two days. The Herald
will report or the Herald is reporting in Delaware. So
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the mediation said, shoul occurs out of state. How do
you how do you resolve this? I don't see any
resolution possible. Maybe if there's someone out there who's smarter
than me can see what the what the resolution would
be would seem to me unless Arthur demulis with his
if the three sisters of sixty percent, he's gonna, I guess,
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peel off one of his sisters to get forty eight percent. Look,
we're not going to do the math here. My question
is this.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Is this.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Just a prelude to what will be a very expensive
court litigation. That's is what I suspect it will be.
I don't think that out of some meeting at this
point that that any anything positive will come. It seems
to me that Arthur Demulis wants to Arthur T. De
Mulis wants to get back in charge of the company.
So if you are a market Basket loyalist of some sort,
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that's great. It does not seem to me that this disruption,
unlike the disruption in twenty fourteen, it has not significantly
hurt the market Basket brand. Maybe the public is tired
of it. So I'd love to just give you an
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opportunity to weigh in here in the Night before the
Mediation six seven thirty six one seven nine thirty I've
been away for two weeks, a little over two weeks,
including Labor Day yesterday. Again, I want to thank Bradley
Jay and my great friend Morgan White who sat in
during the last two weeks in a day, and I
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am trying to catch up as you are. I was
kind of disassociated. I will follow the news, but to
be honest with you, I am I'm looking for your
guidance here. If the Demulis story is you know, the
Demul's Market Basket story is no longer the topic that
I thought it was. We'll move on to something else,
But in the meantime, I'd love to hear from you.
Has it changed your shopping pattern? Are you still a
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loyal customer? Do you find yourself going to your market
basket more or less often as a result of this,
have this dispute, Have you noticed a change in the atmospheres,
the atmosphere inside the various stores. Have prices stayed the best?
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That's been my experience. I haven't been in a market
basket in a couple of months, not because of any
position of loyalty on either side or the other. I'm
just out of out of circulation. I go to a
market basket that's close to where I live, but in
the summer I'm away from my primary residence. Let me
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put it like that. Here the number six, one seven,
two four ten thirty six one seven, nine three ten
thirty love to do an hour right now on market basket,
and what if anything you think might come out of
this mediation? Coming back on nights Side right after this
very quick break.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
All right, So we want to talk about market basket,
simple as that. Let me get to the calls right away.
Gonna go to Joe in Belmont, Hey, Joe, one of
my most loyal listeners. Joe, thank you for calling in.
What do you think you think you're gonna they're gonna
make any progress with market basket.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Joe, first, welcome back, Thank you into reading any good
books or do anything you're exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I did a lot of things exciting. Went to a
play which at some point we'll, uh, we'll talk about.
It was the play called Come from Away, which was
the story of the the town in up in Canada
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that accepted all the American travelers who were who dropped
in out of the sky or note eleven. It was
really a wonderful play. I would recommend it highly. The
town was Gander, Newfoundland, Come from Away, and it really
talked about what wonderful people those Canadians, Canadians were to
all the people from around the world whose planes were
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grounded on nine to eleven. They were told they didn't
know what was going on. So, yeah, I did that
whole bunch of stuff, Joe, I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
All right. I got a question for you and your audience.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Why did the three sisters let out the teague go
and did they have a reason, a good reason for
doing it?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know, Joe, I could only imagine that, like any
sort of family few that occurs within a family, that
something must have set them off. That course, you remember
he was in charge for a long time, and then
in twenty fourteen they had the big blow up, but
they all got back together. It's never been verified, to
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my satisfaction in any of the stories that I've read,
as to exactly what it was. But look, anyone who's
been in a large family knows that sometimes these little
rivalries developed. My suspicion is, and it's my suspicion, is
that there was concern about who would inherit the leadership
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of this very successful, multi billion dollar company in the
next generation. And I think that that when I read
between the lines, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's it's you know, Arthur de Moulis was a good CEO.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
He brought that company up, turned it into a much
more valuable company. No reason why I would think that
he would have been let go. But I've never seen
a definitive reason other than.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That maybe your audience might have some insights.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh that's a good question. I should have I should
have posed that question. There may be some market basket
employees out there, or maybe even one of.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
The principles can call in.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just don't see it seems to me that it's
what a constitutional law school professor of mine. Professor Bizel
many years ago said what was called an irreconcilable conflict,
meaning that how do you solve this? I mean, Arthur
wants to run the company. They don't want him to
run the company. I don't see how you compromise on
something like that. I don't see where mediation can get
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you anywhere. My suspicion is it'll be a failed mediation
and it's going to eventually end up in court.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Aha, was a pleasure, Dan, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right back at you, Joe. Thank you. Nice to hear
your voice.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We'll talk so thank you. I appreciate it. All right,
let's keep rolling here. I'm going to try to sneak
one in here before that break at the bottom of
the hour. Tell Professor Silvi Glade. I would be with
him right after the bottom of the hour, Rob, But
let me go to Steven, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
He's been holding on. Steve.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
You're next on Night's side, your thoughts on your in
the basket. You think there's any common ground they can find?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
No, absolutely not. I think they've burned the bridges to
the point where it is gone. And you know, I mean,
I've been following this thing all along, as you know,
and I really like RDT is a really nice guy.
You know, I went to school with him. But you know,
if you get laid off or fire from a job
and you go back into that place of employment, you know,
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like both Tom Gordon and Joe schmidtze, what do you
what do you think is going to happen? I mean,
they get they were stirring up trouble and from what
I understand, let me just say, you can read between
the lines. From what I understand, both of them are
doing it at the direction of Ardt himself.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So all of well, that I'm sure is what the
other side wants people to believe. Here's my question, why
would you from the perspective of the people who are
running the company? Now, why would you have gone after
a guy who had given in the case of Tom Gordon,
forty nine years of his life to the company, in
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the case of Joe Smith thirty nine years. These were
very important critical players. Agree, I just think that that
was a real overreaction. I mean, I'm sympathetic to individuals.
I guess you know, what were the sisters? Why are
they upset the company was doing well?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I mean then that a lot of things that they
don't tell you. You know, it's what they don't tell
you that matters. There were changes made after twenty fourteen,
a couple of years later, and they seeded certain authority
to RDT that they may have regretted later on, and
I think he ran with it and that basically he
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did a good job. I mean, nobody could say he
didn't do a good job, but they just felt like
they were being left out without any consultation.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I know you've mentioned before that you were afraid that
they might sell the change or something like that would happen.
You need eighty This is very important. You need eighty
percent of the board to vote to sell. The company
already has twenty eight point four. That can't happen. So
it will never be sold, even if already goes to
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the Great Beyond, because the successors will take over. Your
affment was right, I know, because part of what I
read today actually in the Herald were they were talking
about the succession part, and they you know, he wants
the son to take over. It's not going to happen.
You know, they're when you go as far as they've gone,
and they remember what I said before airing, you know
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your dirty laundry in the past. I think and I
think that doing mediation it will work as long as
both parties want to work. But if they if they're
just going to stick by their guns, you know, it's
going to be failed. And from what I understand, and
I'm not going to say anything other than that, it's
set it for litigation and it's going to be wide
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open as to what happens. Then, you know, just when
you let the course decide. You're an attorney, you know
how things were. You never you can't predict how the
courts are going to react to whatever the documents are
in front of them. I mean, they've got there are
a lot of other things going on relating to the
ownership of that company that they don't always tell you about,
and that body and the.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Other thing too.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
If look, if the three sisters have the sixty percent vote,
which they apparently have, and if they stay together, and
if unless one of them has second thoughts, I just
I just think it's interesting that when a family is
so blessed that they happen to sort of have this
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goose that's laying golden eggs year after year, after year
and there's one member of the family who is cultivating
the company. I just think you've heard the phrase you
can off your nose to spite your face. Maybe maybe
Arthur T should decide to go film a different supermarket chainer.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So I don't know, you know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah, at seventy years old, absolutely no.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Absolutely that you're going to admit it that works against you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But I don't know. I think it's it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think it's an interesting story.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think maybe maybe people are getting tired of it
and they don't care. All they want to make sure
is that that that market basket stays available with good
prices and quality products.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Maybe that was he wants to relive twenty fourteen. And
in this day and age, no one can afford it
to go to the other competition, you know, to keep them,
you know, as a CEO, that just costs too much
money and they're not going to do it for that reason.
So nobody cut. Nothing's going to happen, that's going to
turn the place upside down. Yep, Everything's going to stay
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the same. But they I I would say, from from
what I understand, he's got less than a five percent,
maybe even less than that. Chance of keeping his job. Well,
I don't see.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That he has any chance to keep sister off, but.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
That's it would be a good chance. But you know,
like I said, from what I understand, talk to people.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, good, No, you've you've clarified it. You've clarified the
the from what I understand, I I understand what you say.
From what I understand, I'm not dumb very much. Thanks,
Thanks Steve, talk to you soon, have a great night.
We're gonna take quick break here for news at the
bottom of the hour. And by the way, I have
been remiss here, let me remind you that we do
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Where is market basket headed? And do you think any good,
any resolution will come out of the mediation? I don't
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see at all all. It seems to me that is
a preliminary to the litigation in court. Coming back on Nightside,
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
We're talking about a mediation tomorrow that's going on in
the state of Delaware, the two sides of the Damoulis family.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
On the.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Dispute, the intermural warfare amongst the de Mulis family. I
guess the other question is are you getting tired of it?
Or are you so upset that you decided you're I'm
going to shop there. Let's see, I'm going to go
to my friend Harvey Silverglade, who's checking in tonight from Cambridge.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Hey, Harvey, what's your thoughts? On this.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You probably have a legal perspective you want to share.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, my question is this arbitration is it binding or.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Not to mediation? So I'm assuming it's not binding.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well, what this family should do is engage in binding
arbitration so that the arbitrator decides this mess and the
losing party has to abide by the decision.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So why would why would both? Why would why would
decide that? I think that the the decks are stacked
against Arthur Demulis here. If he was your client, would
you agree to.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
That binding arbitration? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay? Tell us why.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Because if his position is it is the correct one,
the arbitrator is likely to go for him. If it's binding,
the losing party has to agree otherwise they can be
sued on the arbitrator's decision.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you still get in litigation. I think it's an
interesting point you raise, Harvey. I had not thought of
it that way.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Litigation is very simple because once the dis food has
been decided by the arbitrator. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay. So let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
If if you represented the sisters side of the family,
they have sixty percent and they control the board, so
they control the board of directors and they control sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Of the stock.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yep, why would they engage in binding arbitration? Because if
they engaged in binding arbitration and for somehow, some way,
Arthur's lawyers convinced the the the arbitrator that the future
of the company was in jeopardy without his skill and
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knowledge and hand on the rudder argument, what why why
would Hey?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
I just I just think I'll answer that question. Sure, sure,
because this dispute is wrecking the company. The sales have
gone down. There are people who refuse to shop at
market basket, and they may control the stock, but this
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dispute is wrecking the company and to their own financial benefit. Ye,
binding arbitration is the way to go.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I haven't seen and I've been away. I've not been away,
but I've been disconnected the last couple of weeks. I
haven't seen any any statistics on that. And I haven't
sensed the outcry of support for Arthur T that existed
in twenty fourteen this time and again, I don't know
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what if with other people. That's why I always like
to hear from other people. But I haven't had anybody
call and say, hey, I've decided that I'm not going
to shop there anymore. Have you seen any stats on that,
because obviously, if there are some stats that support that argument, yeah,
they are literally killing the golden goose.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Well I haven't seen these stats, but the Globe, which
has been covering this, it did report that there are
some folks who wouldn't shop there. Yeah, okay, I no,
there were no figures.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, okay, we'll see. Obviously this is a pretty bidder.
I mean, he needed the three sisters in twenty fourteen
when he was in the fight with his cousin now
his his his sisters supported him then, and of course
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he also had the outpouring of support from employees and
customers who boycotted just and one and thinking that that
maybe that the dynamics just are somewhat different this time.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
And well, I don't have any legal involved. The only
way I would get legally involved, So if one of
the Molises shot.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
The other, your criminal defense attorney, Yeah, well let's hope
that doesn't happen. Arvey is always thank you so much.
I appreciate your call and your wisdom. Thanks my friend.
All Right, that's the one way to look at it.
Thanks Harvey, we'll talk. We'll talk soon. Six one seven thirty,
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trouble eight nine thirty. I don't want to short change
Bill and danvers. He's going to be next right after
the break, and I got some room for you. Love
to talk about this for a while. If you are
a loyal Arthur Demoulis supporter Arthur T, feel free to
speak up or forever hold your piece. If you're on
the other side and you feel that Arthur T has
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overplayed his hand, you can you can make your points
as well. And if you're simply a demulish shopper, somebody
who's loyal to the business, to the supermarket, love to
know what you're doing. Are you still going, are you
still purchasing? Or have you found yourself another grocery store
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which you could patronize six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine three ten thirty. Coming
right back on night Side.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you
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Speaker 1 (27:55):
By the way, I just want to mention that one
of the things I have not been doing well is
giving you ideas about what's coming up later on this week.
So let me just very briefly tell you tomorrow night
that at nine o'clock we'll let me be talking with
the president of the CEO of Global Partners, that's one
of the companies that was bidding for the rights to
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do the redevelopment of the pauses, the food plausas and
the guest plausas along the Massachusetts Turnpike. Eric Sliffcup, who's
the CEO president of Global Partners, will join us tomorrow night.
We'll also talk with former Supreme Court Justice New Hampshire
Supreme Court Justice John Broderick about mental illness within families
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and how it is not recognized as early as it
should be. On Thursday night at nine o'clock, Boston Merrow
candidate Josh Craft will join us at nine o'clock. And
on Friday, we will talk with a representative of the
company that competed with Global Partners for that Massachusetts Turnpike
right contract, I should say, and they that is a
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multi multi billion dollar contract, Apple Green. We'll have a
guest representing the other point of view, so we will
have both sides of the Massachusetts Turnpike controversy both Wednesday
night and Friday night at nine o'clock. So just to
give you a little bit of an idea. What's coming up?
Let me go to Bill and Danvers. Hey, Bill, welcome
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back next on nice side.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thanks for checking in. How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Good?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Good? You know, I think this mediation thing is just
a warm up basically for the court case. You know,
they'll have minutes to go by and who said what,
and it'll be a place and dice for the lawyers
and they can stop billing. But the biggest problem is
after twenty fourteen is you know, if you wanted to
really Duplicator's not that you know, there's been quite a
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lot of stopping shops that have closed Dan and other stores.
It's the logistics, you know, if I need something in particular,
the Whitehouses don't have or stop gap. I'm a little busy.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Macabaskt is a great alternative. So in Salem in New
Hampshire by the mall, there's three of them and I
usually go in and you know, there's been issue with mangos.
At least I went and got like twenty pounds and
I talked to the guys and there was price increases coming.
So there has been some on some items because I
talked to them, and I whispered to them, hey, what
do you think you know?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
We're all concerned, and so some people holding their powder dry.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, it just seems to me that it seems to
me that the background atmospherics were just a little different
than they were in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, people were outraged.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
This is kind of going in slow motion, and it
doesn't seem that the momentum that supporters of Arthur T
had are as obvious. This time is last time.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, well, I think that what it could push it
is it depends on what the Golden Girls do. You know,
they took the well, not only did take out ou Et,
but he took out those other guys and these guys
underneath them. So when you start taking out core guys
that have been around thirty years, because when they're running
stores and you're running an operation that size, okay, they're
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not just doing a B and C. You can't just
throw anyone in the door. They know the personalities of
the stores, the store managers, what they're capable of, the personnel.
That takes years of doing hiring them, trial and error.
There's such a formula and if they were just on
the board and we're really involved in operations. They have
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no idea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Really, well, it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Sounds to me like they were they were blessed obviously.
The store was founded by their dad, okay, and and
they've all beennefited from it. Artist thirt is, I understand
that it's been the guy that has made it work
and they benefited from his hard work, and then.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
They turned on him.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Which is that now? That what's the image I have?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Maybe internally there's a.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Different story maybe, but but I just don't I sense
the public is getting tired of it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, I mean, it'd be a shame if the store
is slowly disintegrate, which is where you could have. They
may not be able to sell it. But you know,
if you start doing some damage to it in the
morale and you get rid of all these guys that
have the knowledge and the guys that you're going to
bring in, and it won't be half as good as
the other guys, you'll slowly start to see the deterioration.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, I mean, they got no use.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know that you speak from experience because you own
your own you know, smallert or nothing on the scale
of market basket.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
But but you know how difficult it is to keep.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's one of those one of those businesses that it's
not success guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You got to work at it and stay ahead at
the curve.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah yeah, and you know that's just where you go.
So I don't know what they're ultimately going to do.
We'll see, you know, we'll see, we'll see. But I'm
concerned because I mean I went in the stopping shop
the other day because I just, you know, hadn't been
in a long time. And let me tell you, if
half the people decided to not have to go to
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Macca Basket and go to the remaining stopping shops and stuff,
I don't think they could handle it, Dan, I mean,
there's only one register open, you know, the ladies up
there in the.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Ear Again, maybe they would adjust, Maybe they would adjust.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I know the stopping shop is in a big campaign.
I've watched some of the TV ads in the last
week or so that they're lowering so many prices. So
maybe you get a grocery war going on, who knows, Bill,
I want to get one more in here before the break,
Thank you very much, thanking, Thanks bellf talk. So let's
go to Joe and Bill Rick at Joe, you are
next on nights. I am going to get you in
before the eleven o'clock news. Go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Oh thanks Dan, Dan.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Yeah, I appreciate everyone's input, the lawyers, the customers. As
a customer of many years, I've heard it said before
when the topic comes up, I can't what I'm looking
for in the meat and poultry apartments and bakery bakery
they make money off of and meat and poultry. That's
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part of It's a chunk of my bill. And Dan,
I'm not getting what I was getting a year ago.
So I'm just one person, you know, forty years in
I'm not getting I have to start looking elsewhere, and
I'm walking away dissatisfied.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
This is real.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
I support Arthur T one hundred and ten percent. Bottom
line for me is I'm not getting what I want.
And the bakery has been marked up fifteen to twenty
percent this year, and they're starting not to offer the
variety of in store bakery as well.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
So these that's half my cart.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, you know what, that's part of what grocery store
is all about.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, you got to buy the essentials, you know, paper,
towels and toilet paper and cleaning equipment and all that.
But when you go there, the fun stuff is if
you're in the bakery or if you're going to order,
you know, from the meat counter, and do you have
the money to get the best cut that you want
or whatever?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And if prices go up.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, there's nothing written in granted that says market Basket
will be as successful today as they were five years.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Ago, what ten years ago?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And you're you're the first person that's called that seems
to be upset with what's going on.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
I am genuinely Dan, And uh, I know someone called
a couple of weeks ago to this tune, same tune
as mine again, dissatisfyed with bakery, don't like pricing in
bakery right now, and not getting the meat and poultry
I was getting a year.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Ago, all right, duly noted. And as I say, I'm
not sure we're going to continue with this into the
next time wind of light the lines up, we can,
and if not, I'll move on to something else. But
I just don't get the sense, well you don't see
the demonstrations. I mean, it looks to me like market
Basket is play and along and maybe not as effectively
(36:01):
or efficiently as they did. And and it'll be a slow,
a slow slide. But you're the first. You're the first
I've heard Joe with specific criticisms. And I thank you
for the call.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yeah, Dan, thanks for covering.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Thank you sou my pleasure. Okay, so we're going to
stick with it if you want. If you don't, we'll
move on to something else. If you want to tell
me that things are going well or things are going poorly, uh,
that you've changed your habit, that's fine. I think that
the enthusiasm for Arthur T has weaned. That's my take,
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and you can prove me wrong. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're coming right back on night Side.
He's Night Side with Dan Ray i Wbzston's Radio. Just
as a bit of a follow up to my interview
with Colonel Jeffrey Noble of the Massachusetts State Police, the
head of the Massachusetts State Police. UH, and specifically for Steve,
the fellow who called in from where him with a
(00:21):
twenty two year old grandson. The Cadet program which is
a way that people can be be incorporated into the
State Police. As for applicants young men and women between
the ages of nineteen and twenty five. The website you
should check out and Steven, case you missed it here
it is one more time mass dot gov so m
(00:45):
A S S dot g O V slash guides like
you know guides g U I D E s slash
Cadet c A D E T hyphen program.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
UH.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If you want to try to become a State Police
officer by going the more traditional route, taking the examination
and qualifying and going through the State Police Academy, you
need to be between the ages of twenty one and
thirty four. If you are over the age of thirty four,
you have in effect aged out. And again the Cadet
(01:23):
program is away which people can kind of get a
sense of it without being fully immersed, and it's almost
like the equivalent of an on the job training or
an apprentice type program. And then obviously you have to
take examinations, etc. And pass all the qualifications. But again,
(01:45):
I read this article today that they had I don't
know it was ten thousand people at some job fear
of people who wanted to become ice agents. Massachusettstate Police
is a great job. It's a prestigious organization. There was
a point in time for many, many years here in
Massachusetts when it was still when it was considered the
(02:06):
premier law enforcement agency in Massachusetts. There have been a
few bad apples that have besmirched or sullied the reputation
in recent years, but I do think that under the
leadership of Colonel Noble, that the reputation of this organization
(02:26):
may very well get restored a lot more quickly than
we realize.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we'll have to see. And if Rob has.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That website mass dot gov, slash guides, slash cadet hyphen program,
you can call Rob if you would like and he
can share that with you. Now Tomorrow, September third, there's
going to be a meeting in the state of Delaware
and why the state of Delaware. Well, the state of
(02:54):
Delaware is the corporate capital of the world and which
for years, it seems, has has this family feud going on.
Market Basket a grocery chain here not only in Massachusetts,
but with stores in Maine, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island.
(03:17):
They have about ninety stores in the four states. They're
a huge company. They're huge company, huge stores. You know,
if you go to other stores, if you go to
Roach Brothers, if you go to Trader Joe's, if you
go to Wegman's, if you go to Shaw's, if you
(03:38):
go to any of the competitors, none of these stores
on a square footage basis come close to market Basket.
I mean, one of the things about market Basket is
it's just asle after asle after aisle.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Huge you know, departments. Literally.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't think there's anything that you can get at
any grocery store which is not available at market Basket.
But anyway, market Basket was embroiled ten years ago. I
guess it was twenty fourteen in this frat precide between
Arthur T. De Mulis and a cousin. I think it
was Arthur s. De Mulis and Arthur T. De Mulis one.
(04:16):
But then there was essentially a coup.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Arthur T.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
De Mulis had the support of his three sisters back
in twenty fourteen. But in market Basket functioned fairly quietly,
if you will, for about ten years, and then last
spring there was a change of direction, a change of leadership.
(04:44):
The three Demullis sisters and they're not that their names
are important, but just Francis de Mulis Kettenbach, Glory Anne
Demullis Farnham and Karen Demullis Pasqually. They basically voted to
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remove their brother as the CEO. Now at this point
it's a privately held company. It's not a publicly traded company,
but it is I think, in my opinion, the most
popular grocery chain here in eastern Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,
in Maine, and it's They're ninety stores up and down
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pretty much anywhere eastern mass They don't go far west.
I remember being in a market Basket in Ashland many
years ago. It was nothing like the market Basket of
today that I'm familiar with. It is, it's a very
impressive operation. So the three sisters had sixty have sixty
(05:52):
one point three percent of the stock, so a little
over sixty percent they control. As long as they stand together,
they control the company.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Arthur Demulis, who.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
From all that I have read, is the guy who
has given his life to the company and has won
the company effectively, has just short of thirty percent twenty
eight point four percent, and grandchildren have ten point three percent.
So the company is wholly owned by members of the
de Mulis family, and right now it is a it
(06:29):
is a nasty, nasty breakup.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We interviewed a couple of the key members of the
Demulis team, Joe Schmidt, uh and well, anyway there, I
got to get the got to get all the names
in front of me. There's too there's too many players
(06:57):
that are are involved. Gordon and Joe Smith, they had
served market basket between the two of them, it's eighty
nine years or eighty eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One think Joe was.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Thirty nine years and Tom Gordon was not the former
Red Sox pitcher. By the way, Tom Gordon forty nine
years and they were dismissed along with dam with Arthur Demoulis,
and so they're having a mediation session tomorrow. Now, maybe
there's someone out there who can explain to me. I
(07:37):
guess the mediation session could go one or two days.
I don't see how there's anything to compromise over again,
schedule for one and if necessary two days. The Herald
will report or the Herald is reporting in Delaware. So
(07:58):
the mediation said, shoul occurs out of state. How do
you how do you resolve this? I don't see any
resolution possible. Maybe if there's someone out there who's smarter
than me can see what the what the resolution would
be would seem to me unless Arthur demulis with his
if the three sisters of sixty percent, he's gonna, I guess,
(08:23):
peel off one of his sisters to get forty eight percent. Look,
we're not going to do the math here. My question
is this.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Is this.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Just a prelude to what will be a very expensive
court litigation. That's is what I suspect it will be.
I don't think that out of some meeting at this
point that that any anything positive will come. It seems
to me that Arthur Demulis wants to Arthur T. De
Mulis wants to get back in charge of the company.
So if you are a market Basket loyalist of some sort,
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that's great. It does not seem to me that this disruption,
unlike the disruption in twenty fourteen, it has not significantly
hurt the market Basket brand. Maybe the public is tired
of it. So I'd love to just give you an
(09:19):
opportunity to weigh in here in the Night before the
Mediation six seven thirty six one seven nine thirty I've
been away for two weeks, a little over two weeks,
including Labor Day yesterday. Again, I want to thank Bradley
Jay and my great friend Morgan White who sat in
during the last two weeks in a day, and I
(09:42):
am trying to catch up as you are. I was
kind of disassociated. I will follow the news, but to
be honest with you, I am I'm looking for your
guidance here. If the Demulis story is you know, the
Demul's Market Basket story is no longer the topic that
I thought it was. We'll move on to something else,
But in the meantime, I'd love to hear from you.
Has it changed your shopping pattern? Are you still a
(10:04):
loyal customer? Do you find yourself going to your market
basket more or less often as a result of this,
have this dispute, Have you noticed a change in the atmospheres,
the atmosphere inside the various stores. Have prices stayed the best?
(10:25):
That's been my experience. I haven't been in a market
basket in a couple of months, not because of any
position of loyalty on either side or the other. I'm
just out of out of circulation. I go to a
market basket that's close to where I live, but in
the summer I'm away from my primary residence. Let me
(10:46):
put it like that. Here the number six, one seven,
two four ten thirty six one seven, nine three ten
thirty love to do an hour right now on market basket,
and what if anything you think might come out of
this mediation? Coming back on nights Side right after this
very quick break.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
All right, So we want to talk about market basket,
simple as that. Let me get to the calls right away.
Gonna go to Joe in Belmont, Hey, Joe, one of
my most loyal listeners. Joe, thank you for calling in.
What do you think you think you're gonna they're gonna
make any progress with market basket.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Joe, first, welcome back, Thank you into reading any good
books or do anything you're exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I did a lot of things exciting. Went to a
play which at some point we'll, uh, we'll talk about.
It was the play called Come from Away, which was
the story of the the town in up in Canada
(11:54):
that accepted all the American travelers who were who dropped
in out of the sky or note eleven. It was
really a wonderful play. I would recommend it highly. The
town was Gander, Newfoundland, Come from Away, and it really
talked about what wonderful people those Canadians, Canadians were to
all the people from around the world whose planes were
(12:16):
grounded on nine to eleven. They were told they didn't
know what was going on. So, yeah, I did that
whole bunch of stuff, Joe, I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
All right. I got a question for you and your audience.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Why did the three sisters let out the teague go
and did they have a reason, a good reason for
doing it?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know, Joe, I could only imagine that, like any
sort of family few that occurs within a family, that
something must have set them off. That course, you remember
he was in charge for a long time, and then
in twenty fourteen they had the big blow up, but
they all got back together. It's never been verified, to
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my satisfaction in any of the stories that I've read,
as to exactly what it was. But look, anyone who's
been in a large family knows that sometimes these little
rivalries developed. My suspicion is, and it's my suspicion, is
that there was concern about who would inherit the leadership
(13:23):
of this very successful, multi billion dollar company in the
next generation. And I think that that when I read
between the lines, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's it's you know, Arthur de Moulis was a good CEO.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
He brought that company up, turned it into a much
more valuable company. No reason why I would think that
he would have been let go. But I've never seen
a definitive reason other than.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That maybe your audience might have some insights.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh that's a good question. I should have I should
have posed that question. There may be some market basket
employees out there, or maybe even one of.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
The principles can call in.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just don't see it seems to me that it's
what a constitutional law school professor of mine. Professor Bizel
many years ago said what was called an irreconcilable conflict,
meaning that how do you solve this? I mean, Arthur
wants to run the company. They don't want him to
run the company. I don't see how you compromise on
something like that. I don't see where mediation can get
(14:27):
you anywhere. My suspicion is it'll be a failed mediation
and it's going to eventually end up in court.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Aha, was a pleasure, Dan, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right back at you, Joe. Thank you. Nice to hear
your voice.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We'll talk so thank you. I appreciate it. All right,
let's keep rolling here. I'm going to try to sneak
one in here before that break at the bottom of
the hour. Tell Professor Silvi Glade. I would be with
him right after the bottom of the hour, Rob, But
let me go to Steven, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
He's been holding on. Steve.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
You're next on Night's side, your thoughts on your in
the basket. You think there's any common ground they can find?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
No, absolutely not. I think they've burned the bridges to
the point where it is gone. And you know, I mean,
I've been following this thing all along, as you know,
and I really like RDT is a really nice guy.
You know, I went to school with him. But you know,
if you get laid off or fire from a job
and you go back into that place of employment, you know,
(15:24):
like both Tom Gordon and Joe schmidtze, what do you
what do you think is going to happen? I mean,
they get they were stirring up trouble and from what
I understand, let me just say, you can read between
the lines. From what I understand, both of them are
doing it at the direction of Ardt himself.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So all of well, that I'm sure is what the
other side wants people to believe. Here's my question, why
would you from the perspective of the people who are
running the company? Now, why would you have gone after
a guy who had given in the case of Tom Gordon,
forty nine years of his life to the company, in
(16:07):
the case of Joe Smith thirty nine years. These were
very important critical players. Agree, I just think that that
was a real overreaction. I mean, I'm sympathetic to individuals.
I guess you know, what were the sisters? Why are
they upset the company was doing well?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I mean then that a lot of things that they
don't tell you. You know, it's what they don't tell
you that matters. There were changes made after twenty fourteen,
a couple of years later, and they seeded certain authority
to RDT that they may have regretted later on, and
I think he ran with it and that basically he
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did a good job. I mean, nobody could say he
didn't do a good job, but they just felt like
they were being left out without any consultation.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I know you've mentioned before that you were afraid that
they might sell the change or something like that would happen.
You need eighty This is very important. You need eighty
percent of the board to vote to sell. The company
already has twenty eight point four. That can't happen. So
it will never be sold, even if already goes to
(17:16):
the Great Beyond, because the successors will take over. Your
affment was right, I know, because part of what I
read today actually in the Herald were they were talking
about the succession part, and they you know, he wants
the son to take over. It's not going to happen.
You know, they're when you go as far as they've gone,
and they remember what I said before airing, you know
(17:39):
your dirty laundry in the past. I think and I
think that doing mediation it will work as long as
both parties want to work. But if they if they're
just going to stick by their guns, you know, it's
going to be failed. And from what I understand, and
I'm not going to say anything other than that, it's
set it for litigation and it's going to be wide
(18:01):
open as to what happens. Then, you know, just when
you let the course decide. You're an attorney, you know
how things were. You never you can't predict how the
courts are going to react to whatever the documents are
in front of them. I mean, they've got there are
a lot of other things going on relating to the
ownership of that company that they don't always tell you about,
and that body and the.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Other thing too.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
If look, if the three sisters have the sixty percent vote,
which they apparently have, and if they stay together, and
if unless one of them has second thoughts, I just
I just think it's interesting that when a family is
so blessed that they happen to sort of have this
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goose that's laying golden eggs year after year, after year
and there's one member of the family who is cultivating
the company. I just think you've heard the phrase you
can off your nose to spite your face. Maybe maybe
Arthur T should decide to go film a different supermarket chainer.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So I don't know, you know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah, at seventy years old, absolutely no.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Absolutely that you're going to admit it that works against you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But I don't know. I think it's it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think it's an interesting story.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think maybe maybe people are getting tired of it
and they don't care. All they want to make sure
is that that that market basket stays available with good
prices and quality products.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Maybe that was he wants to relive twenty fourteen. And
in this day and age, no one can afford it
to go to the other competition, you know, to keep them,
you know, as a CEO, that just costs too much
money and they're not going to do it for that reason.
So nobody cut. Nothing's going to happen, that's going to
turn the place upside down. Yep, Everything's going to stay
(19:57):
the same. But they I I would say, from from
what I understand, he's got less than a five percent,
maybe even less than that. Chance of keeping his job. Well,
I don't see.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That he has any chance to keep sister off, but.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
That's it would be a good chance. But you know,
like I said, from what I understand, talk to people.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, good, No, you've you've clarified it. You've clarified the
the from what I understand, I I understand what you say.
From what I understand, I'm not dumb very much. Thanks,
Thanks Steve, talk to you soon, have a great night.
We're gonna take quick break here for news at the
bottom of the hour. And by the way, I have
been remiss here, let me remind you that we do
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Where is market basket headed? And do you think any good,
any resolution will come out of the mediation? I don't
(21:34):
see at all all. It seems to me that is
a preliminary to the litigation in court. Coming back on Nightside,
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
We're talking about a mediation tomorrow that's going on in
the state of Delaware, the two sides of the Damoulis family.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
On the.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Dispute, the intermural warfare amongst the de Mulis family. I
guess the other question is are you getting tired of it?
Or are you so upset that you decided you're I'm
going to shop there. Let's see, I'm going to go
to my friend Harvey Silverglade, who's checking in tonight from Cambridge.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Hey, Harvey, what's your thoughts? On this.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You probably have a legal perspective you want to share.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, my question is this arbitration is it binding or.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Not to mediation? So I'm assuming it's not binding.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well, what this family should do is engage in binding
arbitration so that the arbitrator decides this mess and the
losing party has to abide by the decision.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So why would why would both? Why would why would
decide that? I think that the the decks are stacked
against Arthur Demulis here. If he was your client, would
you agree to.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
That binding arbitration? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay? Tell us why.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Because if his position is it is the correct one,
the arbitrator is likely to go for him. If it's binding,
the losing party has to agree otherwise they can be
sued on the arbitrator's decision.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you still get in litigation. I think it's an
interesting point you raise, Harvey. I had not thought of
it that way.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Litigation is very simple because once the dis food has
been decided by the arbitrator. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay. So let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
If if you represented the sisters side of the family,
they have sixty percent and they control the board, so
they control the board of directors and they control sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Of the stock.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yep, why would they engage in binding arbitration? Because if
they engaged in binding arbitration and for somehow, some way,
Arthur's lawyers convinced the the the arbitrator that the future
of the company was in jeopardy without his skill and
(24:18):
knowledge and hand on the rudder argument, what why why
would Hey?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
I just I just think I'll answer that question. Sure, sure,
because this dispute is wrecking the company. The sales have
gone down. There are people who refuse to shop at
market basket, and they may control the stock, but this
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dispute is wrecking the company and to their own financial benefit. Ye,
binding arbitration is the way to go.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I haven't seen and I've been away. I've not been away,
but I've been disconnected the last couple of weeks. I
haven't seen any any statistics on that. And I haven't
sensed the outcry of support for Arthur T that existed
in twenty fourteen this time and again, I don't know
(25:21):
what if with other people. That's why I always like
to hear from other people. But I haven't had anybody
call and say, hey, I've decided that I'm not going
to shop there anymore. Have you seen any stats on that,
because obviously, if there are some stats that support that argument, yeah,
they are literally killing the golden goose.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Well I haven't seen these stats, but the Globe, which
has been covering this, it did report that there are
some folks who wouldn't shop there. Yeah, okay, I no,
there were no figures.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, okay, we'll see. Obviously this is a pretty bidder.
I mean, he needed the three sisters in twenty fourteen
when he was in the fight with his cousin now
his his his sisters supported him then, and of course
(26:14):
he also had the outpouring of support from employees and
customers who boycotted just and one and thinking that that
maybe that the dynamics just are somewhat different this time.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
And well, I don't have any legal involved. The only
way I would get legally involved, So if one of
the Molises shot.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
The other, your criminal defense attorney, Yeah, well let's hope
that doesn't happen. Arvey is always thank you so much.
I appreciate your call and your wisdom. Thanks my friend.
All Right, that's the one way to look at it.
Thanks Harvey, we'll talk. We'll talk soon. Six one seven thirty,
(26:58):
trouble eight nine thirty. I don't want to short change
Bill and danvers. He's going to be next right after
the break, and I got some room for you. Love
to talk about this for a while. If you are
a loyal Arthur Demoulis supporter Arthur T, feel free to
speak up or forever hold your piece. If you're on
the other side and you feel that Arthur T has
(27:19):
overplayed his hand, you can you can make your points
as well. And if you're simply a demulish shopper, somebody
who's loyal to the business, to the supermarket, love to
know what you're doing. Are you still going, are you
still purchasing? Or have you found yourself another grocery store
(27:40):
which you could patronize six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine three ten thirty. Coming
right back on night Side.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you
BZ Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
By the way, I just want to mention that one
of the things I have not been doing well is
giving you ideas about what's coming up later on this week.
So let me just very briefly tell you tomorrow night
that at nine o'clock we'll let me be talking with
the president of the CEO of Global Partners, that's one
of the companies that was bidding for the rights to
(28:16):
do the redevelopment of the pauses, the food plausas and
the guest plausas along the Massachusetts Turnpike. Eric Sliffcup, who's
the CEO president of Global Partners, will join us tomorrow night.
We'll also talk with former Supreme Court Justice New Hampshire
Supreme Court Justice John Broderick about mental illness within families
(28:41):
and how it is not recognized as early as it
should be. On Thursday night at nine o'clock, Boston Merrow
candidate Josh Craft will join us at nine o'clock. And
on Friday, we will talk with a representative of the
company that competed with Global Partners for that Massachusetts Turnpike
right contract, I should say, and they that is a
(29:07):
multi multi billion dollar contract, Apple Green. We'll have a
guest representing the other point of view, so we will
have both sides of the Massachusetts Turnpike controversy both Wednesday
night and Friday night at nine o'clock. So just to
give you a little bit of an idea. What's coming up?
Let me go to Bill and Danvers. Hey, Bill, welcome
(29:27):
back next on nice side.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thanks for checking in. How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Good?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Good? You know, I think this mediation thing is just
a warm up basically for the court case. You know,
they'll have minutes to go by and who said what,
and it'll be a place and dice for the lawyers
and they can stop billing. But the biggest problem is
after twenty fourteen is you know, if you wanted to
really Duplicator's not that you know, there's been quite a
(29:54):
lot of stopping shops that have closed Dan and other stores.
It's the logistics, you know, if I need something in particular,
the Whitehouses don't have or stop gap. I'm a little busy.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Macabaskt is a great alternative. So in Salem in New
Hampshire by the mall, there's three of them and I
usually go in and you know, there's been issue with mangos.
At least I went and got like twenty pounds and
I talked to the guys and there was price increases coming.
So there has been some on some items because I
talked to them, and I whispered to them, hey, what
do you think you know?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
We're all concerned, and so some people holding their powder dry.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, it just seems to me that it seems to
me that the background atmospherics were just a little different
than they were in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, people were outraged.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
This is kind of going in slow motion, and it
doesn't seem that the momentum that supporters of Arthur T
had are as obvious. This time is last time.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, well, I think that what it could push it
is it depends on what the Golden Girls do. You know,
they took the well, not only did take out ou Et,
but he took out those other guys and these guys
underneath them. So when you start taking out core guys
that have been around thirty years, because when they're running
stores and you're running an operation that size, okay, they're
(31:14):
not just doing a B and C. You can't just
throw anyone in the door. They know the personalities of
the stores, the store managers, what they're capable of, the personnel.
That takes years of doing hiring them, trial and error.
There's such a formula and if they were just on
the board and we're really involved in operations. They have
(31:37):
no idea.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Really, well, it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Sounds to me like they were they were blessed obviously.
The store was founded by their dad, okay, and and
they've all beennefited from it. Artist thirt is, I understand
that it's been the guy that has made it work
and they benefited from his hard work, and then.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
They turned on him.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Which is that now? That what's the image I have?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Maybe internally there's a.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Different story maybe, but but I just don't I sense
the public is getting tired of it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, I mean, it'd be a shame if the store
is slowly disintegrate, which is where you could have. They
may not be able to sell it. But you know,
if you start doing some damage to it in the
morale and you get rid of all these guys that
have the knowledge and the guys that you're going to
bring in, and it won't be half as good as
the other guys, you'll slowly start to see the deterioration.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, I mean, they got no use.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know that you speak from experience because you own
your own you know, smallert or nothing on the scale
of market basket.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
But but you know how difficult it is to keep.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's one of those one of those businesses that it's
not success guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You got to work at it and stay ahead at
the curve.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah yeah, and you know that's just where you go.
So I don't know what they're ultimately going to do.
We'll see, you know, we'll see, we'll see. But I'm
concerned because I mean I went in the stopping shop
the other day because I just, you know, hadn't been
in a long time. And let me tell you, if
half the people decided to not have to go to
(33:13):
Macca Basket and go to the remaining stopping shops and stuff,
I don't think they could handle it, Dan, I mean,
there's only one register open, you know, the ladies up
there in the.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Ear Again, maybe they would adjust, Maybe they would adjust.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I know the stopping shop is in a big campaign.
I've watched some of the TV ads in the last
week or so that they're lowering so many prices. So
maybe you get a grocery war going on, who knows, Bill,
I want to get one more in here before the break,
Thank you very much, thanking, Thanks bellf talk. So let's
go to Joe and Bill Rick at Joe, you are
next on nights. I am going to get you in
before the eleven o'clock news. Go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Oh thanks Dan, Dan.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Yeah, I appreciate everyone's input, the lawyers, the customers. As
a customer of many years, I've heard it said before
when the topic comes up, I can't what I'm looking
for in the meat and poultry apartments and bakery bakery
they make money off of and meat and poultry. That's
(34:09):
part of It's a chunk of my bill. And Dan,
I'm not getting what I was getting a year ago.
So I'm just one person, you know, forty years in
I'm not getting I have to start looking elsewhere, and
I'm walking away dissatisfied.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
This is real.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
I support Arthur T one hundred and ten percent. Bottom
line for me is I'm not getting what I want.
And the bakery has been marked up fifteen to twenty
percent this year, and they're starting not to offer the
variety of in store bakery as well.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
So these that's half my cart.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, you know what, that's part of what grocery store
is all about.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, you got to buy the essentials, you know, paper,
towels and toilet paper and cleaning equipment and all that.
But when you go there, the fun stuff is if
you're in the bakery or if you're going to order,
you know, from the meat counter, and do you have
the money to get the best cut that you want
or whatever?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And if prices go up.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, there's nothing written in granted that says market Basket
will be as successful today as they were five years.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Ago, what ten years ago?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And you're you're the first person that's called that seems
to be upset with what's going on.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
I am genuinely Dan, And uh, I know someone called
a couple of weeks ago to this tune, same tune
as mine again, dissatisfyed with bakery, don't like pricing in
bakery right now, and not getting the meat and poultry
I was getting a year.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Ago, all right, duly noted. And as I say, I'm
not sure we're going to continue with this into the
next time wind of light the lines up, we can,
and if not, I'll move on to something else. But
I just don't get the sense, well you don't see
the demonstrations. I mean, it looks to me like market
Basket is play and along and maybe not as effectively
(36:01):
or efficiently as they did. And and it'll be a slow,
a slow slide. But you're the first. You're the first
I've heard Joe with specific criticisms. And I thank you
for the call.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yeah, Dan, thanks for covering.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Thank you sou my pleasure. Okay, so we're going to
stick with it if you want. If you don't, we'll
move on to something else. If you want to tell
me that things are going well or things are going poorly, uh,
that you've changed your habit, that's fine. I think that
the enthusiasm for Arthur T has weaned. That's my take,
(36:38):
and you can prove me wrong. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're coming right back on night Side.
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