May 22, 2025 • 39 mins
Mike Kennealy is a former Baker Administration official who served as the former governor’s housing and economic development secretary and now is running as a republican for governor of Massachusetts. Kennealy is not surprised by State Auditor Diana DiZoglio’s report on the audit into the MA emergency shelter system that found “mismanagement” and oversight of spending on food, transportation, and housing costs, saying he warned Gov. Healey’s and her team about the rising demand for state run shelter services back in the Fall of 2022. Kennealy joined us on NightSide to discuss his gubernatorial campaign and the issues he’s running on.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w BZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, welcome back everyone. There is a governor's race that
is actually I think underway at this point, a little early,
but never too early for politics. Here on Nightside, my
name is Dan Ray, and I'm delighted to welcome one
of the major candidates for governor here in Massachusetts, Mike Kanneely.
Mike Kanneely, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
How are you, sir, Hey, Dan, I'm great, Thanks so
much and great to be with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, thanks very much for joining us. We had another
Republican on Tuesday night, Brian Shortsleeve, who is I think
going to be a significant candidate for governor as you
will be on the Republican side. And my sense is
that the Republican Party might be a little stronger in
this state in twenty twenty six than they have been
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in recent years. Do you get a sense the Republican
Party is growing a little bit at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, I do, Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm proud of the fact that over the last couple
of years, I've done a lot of work to support
the party and make our party stronger and more competitive.
So coming out of the Baker administration. In early twenty
twenty three, I signed on its finance share for the
party and spent two years raising money for the party
to support the party and its candidates, investing significant amount
of my own money in those races as well, and
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really getting the message out that we are a party
that wants to compete, that needs to compete, and in
a state where we're a strong majority independent state, I
don't think those voters want one party rule. And so
we are a state that's sixty five percent independent, but
yet one party controls everything. So yes, I think the
party is a lot stronger, a lot more motivated. And look,
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this is the governor. We just absolutely have to win.
And I hear this every day around the state that
governor heally is failing us in so many dimensions. So
the party is stronger, the message is stronger, and this
is a must win race for us. Will say, you know,
I made this point before. I want to be governor
of all the people, but I will be the Republican
governor of all the people. I look forward to working
with everyone to continue to make our parties strong at
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all levels. And the governor's off, Yeah, the governor's I
was currently important. All races will be important as well.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah. Absolutely. One of the themes of this program is
that any state needs two competitive parties. I mean, if
I was working in Utah, I would be advocating to
strengthen the Democratic Party. We see in other states around
New England. Event in New Hampshire, Christanunu, who, with all
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due respect to your former boss, Charlie Baker, I feel
Christan Una was the best governor in the state. You
have a different type of governor over in a little
bit of a different flavored governor over in Virginia, Phil Scott.
If you're elected to become governor, who would people identify
you with? Would you be a more of a Christian
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Nunu or Phil Scott, Charlie Baker or I guess you
could say of Mike Kanneely.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, you know what, Dan, from the start, we've said
we're not we're going to resist labels over the course
of the campaign, and we're not going to articulate my
campaign in the context of that of other politicians. I'm
going to be out with my ideas, my vision for
the state, informed by what the people of Massachusetts tell
me every day, so that we view the race and
how we view the issues in the campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, so in terms of I hate the phrase thirty
second elevated pitch, but give us some. If you meet
someone in the street and they say, hey, I heard
you on Night's Out of the Other Night, tell them
our audience a little bit about yourself, your background, so
we can just kind of frame who Mike Kannely is
and then we can get to some issues.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'm happy to do it, Dan soo. Dan, I'm a
son of Massachusetts, raised in Medford and Ready. My mom
took care of kids. My dad was a member of
the local steel workers union, put himself through nine years
of night school, went on to become the CEO of
Roach Brothers Supermarket. So I'm to grubbing. I watched my
dad go from the factory for to the CEO suite.
I learned hard work and determination and faith and family.
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And that's why I was raised. And I had a
long career in business, in the private equity business for
nineteen years, traveling the country to forty states, met with
a thousand CEOs. Our firm invested in one hundred companies.
We built businesses, we created jobs. But I decided a
dozen years ago. What I really wanted to do was
serve the people of Massachusetts, and so that's what I've
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done the last twelve years, full time public service to
the commonwealth. I spent two years in Lawrence, Walking working
on the turnaround of the public school district. Over the
course of twenty thirteen and fourteen, we cut the size
of the bureaucracy by forty percent. We put those dollars
in the classroom. We brought parents and teachers and community
members together, and we increased the high school graduation rate
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from fifty two percent to seventy two percent. And then
spent eight years in state government, four years as the
Cabinet Secretary, learned how to the same approach and that role,
streamlining programs be more efficient with the taxpayer dollars, and
working with business and government and community leaders all across
the state to get things done. We built infrastructure, we
introduced new workforce skills programs, made sure we stayed number
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one in the innovation economy. We reopened to our economy
and supported our small businesses. In the last couple of years,
in addition to my work for the Republican Party, which
we touched on, I spent two years of Boys and
Girls Clubs of Boston and in that work, it was
helping me in Roxbury, Dorchester, Manipan, Chelsea, and South Boston
basically to do better at school and do better in life.
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So we introduced academic support programs for those workforce readiness programs.
And so what ould argument It should be that I'm
the only person in this race with this kind of
a launch track record both in business and public service.
And that's what we're going to need as a Republican
nominee to defeat Governor Healey and the campaign. We've articulated
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three priority Affordability, opportunity, and better government. Happy to touch
on any one of all of those, but Governor Heally
Governor Heally's list in all those dimensions, and I've got
strategies and policies in place to help us reverse the
course there. So you know, affordability, I've been thinking about
this DAN as a day one agenda. Okay, so take
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affordability day one. We need real strategies to address a
housing crist We're not producing enough housing.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
We have to work with our cities and towns to
help them produce the housing they want. Governor Healey's idea
is to threaten and mandate and sue our cities and towns.
That's not appropriate or helpful. We need real strategies around
the cost of energy. I said for a long time now.
Governor Heally does not have an energy policy. She has
a climate agenda, which is making our energy a lot
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more expensive. So all those charges and gimmicks on our
energy bills to facilitate a so called green energy transition,
you know that stuff has to go away and we
need a lot gert supply of energy after we have
a governor now that's that's briged about shutting down natural
gas pipelines. And taxes are too high, but this governor
continues to propose new forms of taxation, whether it's candy,
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prescription drugs, reducing charitable deductions, taxes at the local level.
So we will have day one strategies around addressing the
cost of living around here in meaningful ways.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You mentioned housing real quickly. The MBTA Communities Act that
was signed by Charlie Baker, as I'm sure you know,
implemented by Governor Healy and threatened by Attorney of Communities
being threatened by Attorney General. Yeah, what would happen to
the MBTA Communities Act under a you know, Mike Kenney governorship.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, what we get back to is the same kind
of collaborative leadership we had before. I mentioned before traveling
all the ground all around the state as a Cabinet secretary,
I went to one hundred and fifty one cities in towns,
and it was all about working with them to help
them get things done they wanted to get done. It
wasn't about mandating things. It certainly wasn't about threats and lawsuits.
And local control is really important around here. We have
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three to fifty one cities and towns and by law,
by culture, by jradition, they get to decide what happens
within their city in town and so we viewed MBTA
Communities as something that could be a flexible framework or
a tool in the toolbox for our cities and towns.
And this administration has taken us a long way from that.
They've doubled down on mandates and threats and lawsuits and
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made it something very inflexible. So we would get back
to the same kind of collaborative leadership we had. You know,
it was our view that we're in a housing crisis
and we need more housing. But for us, it was
all about easing the path at the local level. We
had a Zoni reform called Housing Choice, which lowered that
local approval threshold from two thirds supermajority down to a
simple majority, and that was consistent with our view of
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the problem. Let's create an easier path to work with
cities and towns, not mandate things. And I think what's
happened now is Governor Healey and the Attorney General let's
weaponize this against our cities and towns. And that's not
appropriate or helpful.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
We have a lot to cover. We got to take
a quick break. My guess he's Mike an Eely, Republican
running for governor here in Massachusetts. We're going to talk
a little bit about the report, the reform report issued
yesterday by the state auditor about the way the Healy
administration dealt with the emergency shelter crisis from twenty twenty
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one through twenty three. I'll also I have a couple
of other questions. We have full phone line, so you
can hold off on calling at the moment, folks. As
soon as the phone lines start to clear, we'll get
to callers as quickly as possible. It's more important for
you and a chance to talk to Mike Knely than
it is for me to talk to him. And we'll
take phone calls after just really one question on the
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state auditor's issue, not only to audit the state legislature
where she's running into a brick wall, but also your
reaction to her to her report. She's a Democrat. Yeah,
she's probably, in fact, the most progressive in the best
sense of the word democrat in Massachusetts. We'll take a
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quick break. We'll be back with Mike Kanneely, Republican Canady
for governor, right after this.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Z
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
My guest is Mike Kaneely. He's a Republican running for governor. Mike,
the efforts by the state auditor to audit the legislature,
it seems to me seventy two percent of the public,
lots of Republicans, lots of Democrats, and lots of independence
want that audit to occur. The Democratic leadership in the
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House and Senate is basically stonewalling the state auditor. Your
reaction to her efforts there and also your reaction to
the report the seventy four page report yesterday that I
thought was a scathing rebuke of how the Healey administration
had handled the housing crisis when the immigration situation seemed
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to overwhelm them here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sure was. Dan. Let me just
say I mentioned one of the three elements of our
platform is the government you can believe in, and you
cannot believe in a government that's not accountable and they
can't manage a crisis and so on. The auditor, as
you mentioned, seventy two percent of the voters said they
wanted that audit, and all of Beacon Hill, including Governor
Healey and the Attorney General, were basically saying they don't
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care about what the people said, and they're pushing back
on it. And I was proud not only to vote
for that, I'm on the seventy two percent. I think
I'm personally a top five donor to that ballot question.
I donated ten thousand dollars to it. And this just
has to happen. This is not appropriate. But one of
the great lessons in public life is listened to the people.
And on the second part of your question, what came
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out this week highlights the importance of audits because she
did a very thorough job auditing the shelter system and
Governor Heal's response the migrant crisis. And look where she uncovered.
I mean, three billion dollars we think of spending and housing, transportation,
no bid contracts to donors. There's another reports about just
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horrific criminal incidents that happened in the shelter system. So
I would say, in response to both parts of your question,
it is in my view shameful that Beacon Hill is
pushing back on what the people have said they want.
And so it came out this week with the audit,
shows the importance of audits, and so good for the
auditor for pursuing both those and I mentioned, you know
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day one things in response to both parts of your question.
Day one, I will support the auditor to get that
audit done if it hasn't been done already. In day one,
I'll declare that we're not a sanctuary state and will
have local state and county law enforcement working with the
Feds to get the criminals out of our shelters, off
our streets, and out of our state. That has to happen,
But this is a crisis that has been badly mismanaged
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by the Heally administration. It's an example, a perfect example
of very poor bismal crisis leadership and management. Good for
the auditor for bringing that to the four.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
One of the things that was extraordinary the audit was
that no big taxicab contract was given to a really
centrally located cab company out at the far end of
Cape cod Truro. They charged one hundred and forty dollars.
If I've read that report correctly, and I think I have.
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For everyone who looked for a cab when the cab
rolled up to pick someone up, whether it was one
hundred yards away from Truro or or wherever, that was
one hundred and forty dollars just to get the meter started.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Look, I've been part of I've been part of managing
businesses and managing a cabinet secretariat and this is not
how to manage anything. And in response to some some
really bad stuff that happened in the shelters and Governor
Healer's response was things will happen, and I think that's
three where create sums up a lot of ratitude. Things
will happen, some very bad things happen both fiscally and criminally. Frankly,
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and again, good for the auditor for shining to light
and all this stuff. This is why you need audits,
and this is day one stuff for me.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah. Then we're going to go to phone calls because
we have full, full lines and I want to talk.
I love to give people an opportunity to chat with
my guests. We're going to start it off with Claire
in Concord, Massachusetts. Claire, appreciate your calling in. You are
on with Mike Kinneely, Republican candidate for governor. To go ahead, Claire.
Well that's a slow start, so we'll put Claire on hold.
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Let's go to Elizabeth in Dorchester. Elizabeth, you've been waiting
almost as long as Claire. Go right, Go right ahead, Elizabeth.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Yes, good evening. Then my question for mister Kanneely is,
communities like Roxbury and Dorchester have been ignored for years.
I know people who've experienced homelessness there, and did you
get the help they needed yet? The Ballina cast Reccent
was turned into a migrant shelter. How would you uplift
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communities like these?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, it's a great question. I appreciate it. First of all,
I've worked in those communities. I mentioned my work at
Boys and Girls Clubs of Boston and Compass, Roxbury, Georchester, Mattapan, Chelsea,
and South Boston. I've seen some of this up close.
And your example about the rec Center becoming a migrant shelter,
and they can use the word shameful once already that
is shameful, and it does highlight the fact that these
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communities have been ignored. One of the things I'm most
passionate about in my public service is equality of opportunity.
We've got to make sure all communities, all people of
their chance at success. And so I look at opportunity
gaps in a couple of respects. One is academically now,
only about forty percent of all of our students at
all Gray levels can read and write at Gray level
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forty percent, But that is twenty percent for our black
and Latino students in Massachusetts, and they're being outpaced on
that same national test by the piers in Mississippi, Georgia,
and Florida. That is not appropriate. We have to get
back to closing some of these opportunity gaps and making
sure we're addressing academic achievement across all the great levels
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across all people. I also point to gaps around life expectancy.
You know, the life expectancy of a back Bay resident
is ninety two years. Of a Roxbury resident it's sixty
nine years.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It doesn't take one law to get from Roxbury to
the back Bay, but that is a twenty three year
life expectancy difference. And so we need better education, better
professional opportunities for our kids in those communities, better healthcare.
And the good news is I spent time in those
communities to understand the needs and the opportunities frankly, way
better than Governor heally does. And so I appreciate the question,
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but that'll be a huge priority for me as Governor Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Thank you very much for your question, Thank you for
your patience. I want to ask you a question that
comes to mind recently. In Hyde Park, which is part
of Boston, obviously, there was a five year old boy
who got off a school bus and within a matter
of seconds he was run over by that school bus. Now,
I'm sure you've heard the story. The bus allegedly, the
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bus driver allegedly had been in an accident a little
earlier in the afternoon side swiping a couple of cars,
I believe in Mattapan it has now been over three
weeks and we know very little. We have not heard
much from the mayor. And now again, I know you're
not running against the mayor, but this is a democratically
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controlled city, a democratic district attorney, a police commission appointed
by a democratic mayor. My theory, Mike, and I'd love
to know if you buy into this theory, is that
if there was tragically a child at the age of
five run over by a bus in Wellesley, Weston Whaland
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or Winchester, I think we'd know a lot more about
the cause of the accident, the status of the bus driver,
the circumstances that led up to the accident. Then yeah,
we've heard about this little boy in Boston, and to me,
that just reeks of a city of Boston that does
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not care about not only if they don't care about
the youngest in their community, how did they care about
anyone in their community.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Well, again, I agree with that, and these communities have
been north and I think it does speak to the
fact that there's a leadership opportunity for a publican governor
to speak out against these things, and yet we're talking
about the city of Boston, not the Commonwealth. But we've
got one party rule across city and state right now,
and there's simply not enough accountability. Now'll give you another example.
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The state was in a law negotiation with Boston about
Boston Public Schools and put them into a They didn't
put him in receivership, but they put him in kind
of a plan where performance is monitored, and that terminated
without any real increase in performance, and the healthy administration
just let Boston Public Schools off the hook. That is
not acceptable, and so we need to have strong Republican
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leadership in the Corner office in the State House to
point things like this out and to speak up against
this one party rule.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
My guest is Mike Knneely. He's a Republican candidate running
for governor. We'll continue our conversation with him and with callers.
And by the way, I think what might have happened
with that first caller. Folks, listen to the program through
your telephone. There is a ten second delay. So if
you were sitting across the room and you're listening on
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a speakerphone, we will call for you and you won't
be there, So please hold on to that telephone and listen.
Listen to us through the phone, not on your speakerphone,
particularly if it's halfway across the road. Back on Nights
Out with Mike Kenealy right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WA Austin's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
All right, let's keep rolling here. My guest is Mike Kanely,
Republican running for governor of Massachusetts. There will be a primary.
He is facing a candidate that we had with us
on Tuesday night, Brian short Sleeve, And I think the
Republican Party has two very qualified, experienced candidates, one of
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whom is likely to end up facing the incumbent mar Heally. Mike.
One question I asked Brian shortly the other night is
are you committed to support the winner of the primary,
whether it is you or someone else?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, that's a pretty straight in. So let's keep rover here.
Going to go to Henry and Quincy. Henry, you're next
on Night Side with Mike Kaneely. Go right ahead, Henry.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Hey, Dan, longtime listener, first time caller.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Hey, we gotta give you, We're got to give you
a ride of the clause is a first time call here,
if you go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, Hey, Mike, I'm wondering what's something that you're most
proud of of the Baker administration and something do you
feel like the administration may have fallen short? Well, I
think in terms of the economy and our management of
the budget. You look at those two things together. During
the Bigger administration, they were two hundred thirty thousand new
jobs created in Massachusetts, and we have budget surpluses. We
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actually returned three billion dollars to the tax period during
that period of time. Contrast that in the Heally administration,
we are fiftieth among the fifty states in job growth
over the last couple of years. I think I read
recently we've lost about twenty five thousand private sector jobs
but added ten thousand government jobs. That's not where we
need to go in terms of our economy. And the
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budget is similarly understrained. You know, the budget this year
is going to cost sixty one billion dollars. A dozen
years ago it was thirty billion dollars. And so the
Heally administration has us not a track where the budget's
growing taxes are growing. Our economy is slowing down, and
that's going to create enormous problems for us going forward
as a state. So this theme of great opportunity everybody
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and means having leaner, more effective government, more fiscal discipline,
and much more robust job growth. We're not seeing that,
I think in terms of the Baker administration generally, look,
I think you have to say the m bt A.
I think there's been a month a number of instances
that happened during the eight years of the Baker administration.
It seems to me that GM now is doing a
pretty good job getting that system turned around. So those
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are the two things I point to the combination of
fiscal management and the strong economy to let the strong
job growth and budget surpluses on the one hand, and
in terms of a deficiency, if you will, I think
the manage public transit.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Henry, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You get my full support.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thanks, Ny, appreciate you go.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Connor in Rubert Connor, you were next time I said
with Mike Connelly Kennely.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Hey, thanks for taking my call down. My grandmother listening
to your show every night for a long time. So
I think should be pretty happy to hear me calling tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, I hope it. I hope it continues in the
family here, Connor go right.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
I'm carrying on the legacy. Thank you, Mike. My question
for you is, you know it's no secret More Hilly
have tarblele relationship with President Trump. I'm curious, how do
you think that impacts Massachusetts and how you would work
with the president.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's a great question. Look, Governor Heally built her career
by suing President Trump during her time as Attorney General,
and when things happen to Washington that she doesn't like,
she goes on TV and protest about it. And so
we don't have the kind of relationship with President Trump
that we ought to have as a state. And so
what I would do is look to work with the president,
work with anybody to help move our state forward. And
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I said before, when bad things happen, more Heally says,
get me on TV, I would say, get me on
a plane.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I'd want to.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Go down to Washington and meet with the President and
his team and make the case for Massachusetts and have
a collaborative relationship. But again, we have a governor now
that made her career serving as the opposition to the President,
and that's not going to set us up for a
productive dialogue going forward.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Color appreciate you call.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Thank you much, Thanks, thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Let me go to John in Boston. John, You're next
on Nightside with Mike Kneely, Republican candidate running for governor.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Hi Dan Hi. Mike, have a question about the MBTA
Communities Act. I live in the City of Boston, but
my parents they live out in the Metro West and
they bought their home thirty five years ago, and now
they're being designated as an MBTA community, and they're concerned
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about the hundreds of new housing developments that are going
to come into the their town, and you know the
impact that that's going to have on their taxes, the
need for new schools, the new infrastructure. So I'm just wondering,
you know, this bill was signed, and while you are
the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, can you produce
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one document or one public statement from while you are
a cabinet secretary thing that you were opposed to the
MPT Communities Act.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
What I complaint to is the fact that when it
passed and got handed to us legislature, we looked at
it and said, how can we make this legislative mandate
into a flexible tool in the toolbox for our cities
and towns. And we worked relentlessly with a prodate range
of stakeholders for months to create that framework, and by
the time we left office, it didn't seem to make
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anybody have much of a problem with it. What's happened
ince then, as I mentioned, is Governor Healy and the
Attorney General have weaponized that against our communities. And so
the concerns that you mentioned happening in that town. You know,
it's the job of the governor to get out there
and listen to those concerns. She's doubled down on mandates
and threats and lawsuits, and it's been way too much
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lecturing and not enough listening. And so that's going to
be my approach, and it's the approach I took a secretary.
I traveled the state endlessly for four years to get
stuff done, to listen and collaborate. And I don't think
this governor really understands local control and how things get
done around here. You don't get things done by ordering
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cities and towns to do things. You get things done
by working with them. And so that is the approach
I would take for the cities in towns. Hear their
concerns and help them do what they want to do,
versus tell them something that may not want.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
John appreciate your call. Nope, if he didn't want to say,
go by, Let's go to Anthony in Boston. Anthony and Boston,
you were next on Nightside. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Hi, Dan, I've been the longtime listener of your show,
so I appreciate you for letting me on.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You're very welcome first time calling.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, we've got to give you a round of applause
and my digital studio audience. Go right ahead. You're on
with Mike and Eely. You get one of the Republican
candidates for governor. Go ahead, Anthony.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
All right, Hi Mike. I'm a young college student living
in Massachusetts, specifically in Boston, and honestly, I don't see
a future living here. I was wondering what you would
do to make the state more affordable for people like me,
whether they're in college or they're just you know, a
young adult who want to stay and raise the family.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Oh don't go. Help is on the way. We got
real solutions here. Look cost of living for us as
a few different component. I mentioned housing, and I think
it's unfortunate by the way I talked about a collaborative
approach to help the cities and towns develop more housing.
I think you mentioned to live in Boston. Boston has
taken the opposite approach on this. I mean they have
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virtually shut down housing production of the city of Boston
by mandating more affordability housing and so called inclusionary zoning programs,
by trying to reenforce a much stricter green building code.
This again is where the climate agenda gets in the
way of the economic agenda, and so they've shut down production.
And over the last I think decade or so, Boston
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has produced probably thirty percent of all the housing produced statewide.
And so when Boston's housing production shuts down, it as
an incredibly detrimental effect in the overalls on the whole state.
So we need real solutions for producing more housing. Supplying
demands a real thing, and so housing prices are high
because it's not enough supply. But we need real, practical
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collaborative solutions on that one. You know, the energy costs
they mentioned it is again the green agenda driving upper
energy cost is not helpful. We've got to get away
from that and be serious about the cost of energy.
I've made this point now publicly a few times that
I don't believe that anybody in Governor Healer's administration who
views it as their job to look after the cost
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of energy. I think there's plenty of people focus on
the so called climate crisis, but not enough people focus
on the nuts and bolts of government in trying to
bring down the cost of energy. You mentioned also your
future and the state. I mean, data is a function
of having great schools and great economic opportunities, and so
I'm very concerned about our academic performance as a state.
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I think I mentioned that don't think Governor Heals has
an academic strategy. I think they're kind of I think
we're just kind of drifting along and resting on our
laurels as being the long standing number one in education
while our scores declined, and she's managing our decline in education,
not leading us forward. And I mentioned the economy as well.
Our job growth is slowed. So my vision for state
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is one where we've got responsible, accountable government, lower spending,
lower taxes, real strategies to manage our cost of living,
great schools and great jobs and a state government that
wants to work with everybody to make that happen and
that it will create a much better future for us.
So I hope you stick around, wait till January twenty
twenty seven, and things are going to get better.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Anthony. What school are you going to?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I go to Stuffolk University.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Good. Good for you. And are you from Boston originally
or are you from you know, either out of New England
or just simply outside of.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Boston, originally from New Hampshire, originally.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
From New Hampshire. Okay, well, welcome to Boston, and thanks
for listening to Night's Side. And I hope that you
can the program more often because I really enjoy listening
to young people with their ideas. So feel free to
call any night. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Dan, thank you, Mike, look forward
to voting for you.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
All right, thanks you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Take a very quick break here, one more round. We
got Al, Brad and James, we'll get all of you,
and we have a couple of vote well, we only
have one open line left and that's six one coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Night Side Dan Ray, I'm bas Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to get
as many folks in as we can. We have full lines.
Let's go to Alan weston al next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Go right ahead, Hi, how you doing today?
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You're welcome. Goright ahead, you're with Mike Kanely all.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Right with with Governor Healy wanted to raise taxes on
prescription drugs. And I don't want to be redundant with
the costs of Massachusetts. But will you cut taxes to
make the state more affordable?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I will absolutely, And I think what happened with Governor
Heally is obviously she's not set a tone within her
administration about now new taxes and the need to cut taxes. Otherwise,
these ideas with the surface. And I spent eight years
inside state government. I know it operates. And the fact
that she's come up with proposals on candy taxes, prescription drugs,
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letting municipal leaders raise taxes at the local level, reducing
charitable deductions means that means she has empowered her team
to go seek out new sources and revenue, and that's
just not appropriate. And so it has to happen is
we've got to recognize state government's doubled over the last
decade or so and they keep wanting to raise taxes,
and it really is up to the executive, the leader,
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to say, no, that's not going to happen. We're going
to hold the line up spending. We're going to cut spending,
and we're going to hold the line on taxes and
try to cut taxes. And I have to believe when
the budget goes from thirty to sixty one billion dollars,
their efficiency is to be found. And I've done this before.
I mentioned to Lawrence cut the size of the bureaucracy
about forty percent. You know, we realized it actually wasn't
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that hard. If you're focused on it that way, you
can get it done. Let's take the same approach. I
take the same approach within my Secretary and Housing in
Economic Development, streamlining programs, getting things done so that these
are proven reforms that have lasted, and you need that approach,
streamline reform state government, bring the spending down, that lets
you bring taxes down and tell your team, under no circumstances,
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she did come to me with a proposal to raise
taxes that's simply is not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You didn't mention her secretary of Transportation, is that Marcia
Tippet's nuts, I believe is her name, who wanted to
put in toll roads anywhere she could find an empty
spot in Massachusetts, following along with the philosophy that there's
only two things in the common wealth that are taxed
as I'm sure you know, Mike, anything that moves and
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anything that doesn't move. So thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Al, you definitely have my support.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Thank you, thanks so much. And the example bringing up
is an example of administration that lacks discipline. There's no
way in my administration the cabinet secretary speaks in public
or anywhere about I.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Don't know how Monica Tibbet's not kept her job.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I don't know. I don't know either. I can't talk
to Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I want to get everybody in here. If I can't,
let me go to Brad and andover. Brad, we've another
community heard from. Go ahead, Brad, You're next with Mike Keneally.
Go right ahead, Brad.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Thanks Dan, I really appreciate it, And Mike, thanks for
taking the question. I really like where you're at so
far on the affordability crisis and the migrant crisis. But
I'm wondering, do you support the Second Amendment referendum to
repeal Chapter one five?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I do, so, just to be clear, I support the
referendum to repeal it, so I would like one thirty
five repeal. Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Pretty good question, Pretty good answer. Thank you, Thank you, Brad,
appreciate it. Let me keep rolling. You're going to go
to James and Milton James an extra nightside. Go ahead,
go right ahead, Thanks.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
For having me.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
So I just wanted to ask, by not voting the
last three presidential elections, you basically wanted Hilly Quinn and
Joe Biden and Kamal Harris to be president, So you
have to give your responsibility as a voter. I got
to ask, why would we ever trust you to be governor?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
If I wanted them as president, I would have voted
for them, and you should trust me as governor based
on my ideas and my track records. Okay, We've got
very clear ideas around affordability, opportunity, and better government. I've
got a clear track record of delivering both in business
and public service. So that's why you should trust me.
Delivered for nineteen years in private equity, for twelve years
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full time in public service. I think we have the
right ideas, the right policies, the right experience. That's why
you should trust.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Me, right, James, the right question? Good good? I'm sorry. Good. Now.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
We desperately need to change the leadership and all the
dimensions I mentioned. Governor Heally is feeling us and I
am the Republican that can defeat her Umber twenty twenty
six and get the state back on a better path.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All right, James, direct question, direct answer, Thank you much.
Let me go next to Max in Boston. Max, next
on Nissager, Right ahead.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Mike, you already have one support. But I think it's
also a lot about more than just the governor's race.
How would you use your platform to help elect other
Republicans across Massachusetts?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That is a great question. I said at the outset.
I want to be the governor of all the people,
but be the Republican governor. And I've spent the last
couple of years working hard at the state Party to
support our candidates up and down the ballot, and so
in addition to being the finance chair for the party,
I was chaired something we call their Legislative Support Fund.
We supported our state legislative candidates, So I think it's
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very important we have strong candidates for the state wide
offices and federal offices for that matter, strong candidates for
the legislative seats. And the party has a growing effort
now to support candidates at the local level. So I
think every level of government's important, a local state legislative,
the constitutional offices in federal government. And I would do
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that as the core part of my job as the
Republican governor, to do what I could do to grow
the party, make the party stronger. So I will, like
I said, my work with you guys to and FOCSRO
Republicans listening to make our party strong will never stop.
I think that's going to be a core part of
my focus going forward.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Maks, great question, Thank you for your call. Let me
go next to TJ in Lawrence. TJ. You're on with
Mike Kenneally. Go right ahead, TJ.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Hi Dan, thanks for having me tonight. My question for you,
Mike is what's your plan for dealing with the criminal
legal immigrants in the state currently? Will you deport them
or do you have a better plan for that.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, government to deport people, But go ahead, mine.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, I think what has to happen. By the way,
I love getting a call from Lawrence. They spent two
great years working up there on the public school turnaround.
It's a great community with great people. Look, it has
to be coordination with local, county and state law enforcement
with the Feds, okay, to get criminals of our shelter,
off our streets and out of our state. And that
isn't happening now. You know, there was a Supreme Court
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decision here in Massachusetts called the One Decision, and it
basically said that there was not any capacity now for
local and state law enforcement to work with the feds
to do who you suggested. And Republican legislators have reformed
legislation like that and it's gone nowhere. So we have
to have a focus on that and just a different
leadership tone. And again the tone of governor Hellly is
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to oppose the federal government. My tone would be to
work with them and try to accomplish important things like
getting criminals out of our states. So that needs to happen.
Declaring day one, in uncertain terms, we're not a sanctuary state.
And working with the Feds to get the criminals out
of our That simply has to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
TJ. Thank you very much for you call. Appreciate it. There.
Of course, there's a federal court decision in two thousand
and eleven, the Arizona decision, in which the US Supreme
Court concluded that the federal government prehemps immigration policy in
this country and that they should set immigration policy in
this country. I still don't understand why that has not
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been argued and the Lend decision was not more respectful
of that case. But we'll leave that for another night. Mikennely,
how can folks who are interested in your campaign get
in touch with you and or your campaign?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Well, go to the website Mike Keney dot com and
it tells a lot more about me and my background.
On my Trekker corrector, it's got an issues page. We
talk about the ideas and policies I want to pursue,
and so encourage folks take a look at that, get
involved with the campaign. You can volunteer, you can donate
and learn more about it. But this is a very
very important race. Our state is not on a good
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path right now. Governor heally is failing us, and I'm
the Republican that can make a change in leadership and
become the next governor of the state. So I encourage
folks to take a look and love to have you
on board.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Mike Kennely, appreciate your time tonight. I thought it was
a good hour. Both you and Ryan Shortsleeve, I think
are two very formidable candidates. It'll be interesting to see
which one of you is the nominee, but both of
you have pledged that you will support whoever is the nominee.
And I think the Republican Party has a long way
to go, but I think there's a path that they
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can follow in twenty twenty six. Mike, thanks so much
for your time tonight. We'll have you back.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Thanks gat to be ready. Thank you, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
All Right, we get back. We're going to talk about
that had tragic, horrific event last night in Washington that
took the lives of two young people who worked on
the Israeli staff at the Israeli embassy in Washington, and
we'll be talking with the Consul general here in New England.
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Consul General, the Israeli Consul General Benny Sharoni right after
the ten o'clock news
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w BZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, welcome back everyone. There is a governor's race that
is actually I think underway at this point, a little early,
but never too early for politics. Here on Nightside, my
name is Dan Ray, and I'm delighted to welcome one
of the major candidates for governor here in Massachusetts, Mike Kanneely.
Mike Kanneely, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
How are you, sir, Hey, Dan, I'm great, Thanks so
much and great to be with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, thanks very much for joining us. We had another
Republican on Tuesday night, Brian Shortsleeve, who is I think
going to be a significant candidate for governor as you
will be on the Republican side. And my sense is
that the Republican Party might be a little stronger in
this state in twenty twenty six than they have been
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in recent years. Do you get a sense the Republican
Party is growing a little bit at this point?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, I do, Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm proud of the fact that over the last couple
of years, I've done a lot of work to support
the party and make our party stronger and more competitive.
So coming out of the Baker administration. In early twenty
twenty three, I signed on its finance share for the
party and spent two years raising money for the party
to support the party and its candidates, investing significant amount
of my own money in those races as well, and
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really getting the message out that we are a party
that wants to compete, that needs to compete, and in
a state where we're a strong majority independent state, I
don't think those voters want one party rule. And so
we are a state that's sixty five percent independent, but
yet one party controls everything. So yes, I think the
party is a lot stronger, a lot more motivated. And look,
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this is the governor. We just absolutely have to win.
And I hear this every day around the state that
governor heally is failing us in so many dimensions. So
the party is stronger, the message is stronger, and this
is a must win race for us. Will say, you know,
I made this point before. I want to be governor
of all the people, but I will be the Republican
governor of all the people. I look forward to working
with everyone to continue to make our parties strong at
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all levels. And the governor's off, Yeah, the governor's I
was currently important. All races will be important as well.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah. Absolutely. One of the themes of this program is
that any state needs two competitive parties. I mean, if
I was working in Utah, I would be advocating to
strengthen the Democratic Party. We see in other states around
New England. Event in New Hampshire, Christanunu, who, with all
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due respect to your former boss, Charlie Baker, I feel
Christan Una was the best governor in the state. You
have a different type of governor over in a little
bit of a different flavored governor over in Virginia, Phil Scott.
If you're elected to become governor, who would people identify
you with? Would you be a more of a Christian
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Nunu or Phil Scott, Charlie Baker or I guess you
could say of Mike Kanneely.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, you know what, Dan, from the start, we've said
we're not we're going to resist labels over the course
of the campaign, and we're not going to articulate my
campaign in the context of that of other politicians. I'm
going to be out with my ideas, my vision for
the state, informed by what the people of Massachusetts tell
me every day, so that we view the race and
how we view the issues in the campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, so in terms of I hate the phrase thirty
second elevated pitch, but give us some. If you meet
someone in the street and they say, hey, I heard
you on Night's Out of the Other Night, tell them
our audience a little bit about yourself, your background, so
we can just kind of frame who Mike Kannely is
and then we can get to some issues.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'm happy to do it, Dan soo. Dan, I'm a
son of Massachusetts, raised in Medford and Ready. My mom
took care of kids. My dad was a member of
the local steel workers union, put himself through nine years
of night school, went on to become the CEO of
Roach Brothers Supermarket. So I'm to grubbing. I watched my
dad go from the factory for to the CEO suite.
I learned hard work and determination and faith and family.
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And that's why I was raised. And I had a
long career in business, in the private equity business for
nineteen years, traveling the country to forty states, met with
a thousand CEOs. Our firm invested in one hundred companies.
We built businesses, we created jobs. But I decided a
dozen years ago. What I really wanted to do was
serve the people of Massachusetts, and so that's what I've
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done the last twelve years, full time public service to
the commonwealth. I spent two years in Lawrence, Walking working
on the turnaround of the public school district. Over the
course of twenty thirteen and fourteen, we cut the size
of the bureaucracy by forty percent. We put those dollars
in the classroom. We brought parents and teachers and community
members together, and we increased the high school graduation rate
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from fifty two percent to seventy two percent. And then
spent eight years in state government, four years as the
Cabinet Secretary, learned how to the same approach and that role,
streamlining programs be more efficient with the taxpayer dollars, and
working with business and government and community leaders all across
the state to get things done. We built infrastructure, we
introduced new workforce skills programs, made sure we stayed number
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one in the innovation economy. We reopened to our economy
and supported our small businesses. In the last couple of years,
in addition to my work for the Republican Party, which
we touched on, I spent two years of Boys and
Girls Clubs of Boston and in that work, it was
helping me in Roxbury, Dorchester, Manipan, Chelsea, and South Boston
basically to do better at school and do better in life.
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So we introduced academic support programs for those workforce readiness programs.
And so what ould argument It should be that I'm
the only person in this race with this kind of
a launch track record both in business and public service.
And that's what we're going to need as a Republican
nominee to defeat Governor Healey and the campaign. We've articulated
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three priority Affordability, opportunity, and better government. Happy to touch
on any one of all of those, but Governor Heally
Governor Heally's list in all those dimensions, and I've got
strategies and policies in place to help us reverse the
course there. So you know, affordability, I've been thinking about
this DAN as a day one agenda. Okay, so take
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affordability day one. We need real strategies to address a
housing crist We're not producing enough housing.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
We have to work with our cities and towns to
help them produce the housing they want. Governor Healey's idea
is to threaten and mandate and sue our cities and towns.
That's not appropriate or helpful. We need real strategies around
the cost of energy. I said for a long time now.
Governor Heally does not have an energy policy. She has
a climate agenda, which is making our energy a lot
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more expensive. So all those charges and gimmicks on our
energy bills to facilitate a so called green energy transition,
you know that stuff has to go away and we
need a lot gert supply of energy after we have
a governor now that's that's briged about shutting down natural
gas pipelines. And taxes are too high, but this governor
continues to propose new forms of taxation, whether it's candy,
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prescription drugs, reducing charitable deductions, taxes at the local level.
So we will have day one strategies around addressing the
cost of living around here in meaningful ways.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You mentioned housing real quickly. The MBTA Communities Act that
was signed by Charlie Baker, as I'm sure you know,
implemented by Governor Healy and threatened by Attorney of Communities
being threatened by Attorney General. Yeah, what would happen to
the MBTA Communities Act under a you know, Mike Kenney governorship.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, what we get back to is the same kind
of collaborative leadership we had before. I mentioned before traveling
all the ground all around the state as a Cabinet secretary,
I went to one hundred and fifty one cities in towns,
and it was all about working with them to help
them get things done they wanted to get done. It
wasn't about mandating things. It certainly wasn't about threats and lawsuits.
And local control is really important around here. We have
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three to fifty one cities and towns and by law,
by culture, by jradition, they get to decide what happens
within their city in town and so we viewed MBTA
Communities as something that could be a flexible framework or
a tool in the toolbox for our cities and towns.
And this administration has taken us a long way from that.
They've doubled down on mandates and threats and lawsuits and
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made it something very inflexible. So we would get back
to the same kind of collaborative leadership we had. You know,
it was our view that we're in a housing crisis
and we need more housing. But for us, it was
all about easing the path at the local level. We
had a Zoni reform called Housing Choice, which lowered that
local approval threshold from two thirds supermajority down to a
simple majority, and that was consistent with our view of
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the problem. Let's create an easier path to work with
cities and towns, not mandate things. And I think what's
happened now is Governor Healey and the Attorney General let's
weaponize this against our cities and towns. And that's not
appropriate or helpful.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
We have a lot to cover. We got to take
a quick break. My guess he's Mike an Eely, Republican
running for governor here in Massachusetts. We're going to talk
a little bit about the report, the reform report issued
yesterday by the state auditor about the way the Healy
administration dealt with the emergency shelter crisis from twenty twenty
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one through twenty three. I'll also I have a couple
of other questions. We have full phone line, so you
can hold off on calling at the moment, folks. As
soon as the phone lines start to clear, we'll get
to callers as quickly as possible. It's more important for
you and a chance to talk to Mike Knely than
it is for me to talk to him. And we'll
take phone calls after just really one question on the
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state auditor's issue, not only to audit the state legislature
where she's running into a brick wall, but also your
reaction to her to her report. She's a Democrat. Yeah,
she's probably, in fact, the most progressive in the best
sense of the word democrat in Massachusetts. We'll take a
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quick break. We'll be back with Mike Kanneely, Republican Canady
for governor, right after this.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Z
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
My guest is Mike Kaneely. He's a Republican running for governor. Mike,
the efforts by the state auditor to audit the legislature,
it seems to me seventy two percent of the public,
lots of Republicans, lots of Democrats, and lots of independence
want that audit to occur. The Democratic leadership in the
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House and Senate is basically stonewalling the state auditor. Your
reaction to her efforts there and also your reaction to
the report the seventy four page report yesterday that I
thought was a scathing rebuke of how the Healey administration
had handled the housing crisis when the immigration situation seemed
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to overwhelm them here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sure was. Dan. Let me just
say I mentioned one of the three elements of our
platform is the government you can believe in, and you
cannot believe in a government that's not accountable and they
can't manage a crisis and so on. The auditor, as
you mentioned, seventy two percent of the voters said they
wanted that audit, and all of Beacon Hill, including Governor
Healey and the Attorney General, were basically saying they don't
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care about what the people said, and they're pushing back
on it. And I was proud not only to vote
for that, I'm on the seventy two percent. I think
I'm personally a top five donor to that ballot question.
I donated ten thousand dollars to it. And this just
has to happen. This is not appropriate. But one of
the great lessons in public life is listened to the people.
And on the second part of your question, what came
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out this week highlights the importance of audits because she
did a very thorough job auditing the shelter system and
Governor Heal's response the migrant crisis. And look where she uncovered.
I mean, three billion dollars we think of spending and housing, transportation,
no bid contracts to donors. There's another reports about just
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horrific criminal incidents that happened in the shelter system. So
I would say, in response to both parts of your question,
it is in my view shameful that Beacon Hill is
pushing back on what the people have said they want.
And so it came out this week with the audit,
shows the importance of audits, and so good for the
auditor for pursuing both those and I mentioned, you know
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day one things in response to both parts of your question.
Day one, I will support the auditor to get that
audit done if it hasn't been done already. In day one,
I'll declare that we're not a sanctuary state and will
have local state and county law enforcement working with the
Feds to get the criminals out of our shelters, off
our streets, and out of our state. That has to happen,
But this is a crisis that has been badly mismanaged
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by the Heally administration. It's an example, a perfect example
of very poor bismal crisis leadership and management. Good for
the auditor for bringing that to the four.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
One of the things that was extraordinary the audit was
that no big taxicab contract was given to a really
centrally located cab company out at the far end of
Cape cod Truro. They charged one hundred and forty dollars.
If I've read that report correctly, and I think I have.
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For everyone who looked for a cab when the cab
rolled up to pick someone up, whether it was one
hundred yards away from Truro or or wherever, that was
one hundred and forty dollars just to get the meter started.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Look, I've been part of I've been part of managing
businesses and managing a cabinet secretariat and this is not
how to manage anything. And in response to some some
really bad stuff that happened in the shelters and Governor
Healer's response was things will happen, and I think that's
three where create sums up a lot of ratitude. Things
will happen, some very bad things happen both fiscally and criminally. Frankly,
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and again, good for the auditor for shining to light
and all this stuff. This is why you need audits,
and this is day one stuff for me.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah. Then we're going to go to phone calls because
we have full, full lines and I want to talk.
I love to give people an opportunity to chat with
my guests. We're going to start it off with Claire
in Concord, Massachusetts. Claire, appreciate your calling in. You are
on with Mike Kinneely, Republican candidate for governor. To go ahead, Claire.
Well that's a slow start, so we'll put Claire on hold.
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Let's go to Elizabeth in Dorchester. Elizabeth, you've been waiting
almost as long as Claire. Go right, Go right ahead, Elizabeth.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Yes, good evening. Then my question for mister Kanneely is,
communities like Roxbury and Dorchester have been ignored for years.
I know people who've experienced homelessness there, and did you
get the help they needed yet? The Ballina cast Reccent
was turned into a migrant shelter. How would you uplift
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communities like these?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, it's a great question. I appreciate it. First of all,
I've worked in those communities. I mentioned my work at
Boys and Girls Clubs of Boston and Compass, Roxbury, Georchester, Mattapan, Chelsea,
and South Boston. I've seen some of this up close.
And your example about the rec Center becoming a migrant shelter,
and they can use the word shameful once already that
is shameful, and it does highlight the fact that these
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communities have been ignored. One of the things I'm most
passionate about in my public service is equality of opportunity.
We've got to make sure all communities, all people of
their chance at success. And so I look at opportunity
gaps in a couple of respects. One is academically now,
only about forty percent of all of our students at
all Gray levels can read and write at Gray level
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forty percent, But that is twenty percent for our black
and Latino students in Massachusetts, and they're being outpaced on
that same national test by the piers in Mississippi, Georgia,
and Florida. That is not appropriate. We have to get
back to closing some of these opportunity gaps and making
sure we're addressing academic achievement across all the great levels
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across all people. I also point to gaps around life expectancy.
You know, the life expectancy of a back Bay resident
is ninety two years. Of a Roxbury resident it's sixty
nine years.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It doesn't take one law to get from Roxbury to
the back Bay, but that is a twenty three year
life expectancy difference. And so we need better education, better
professional opportunities for our kids in those communities, better healthcare.
And the good news is I spent time in those
communities to understand the needs and the opportunities frankly, way
better than Governor heally does. And so I appreciate the question,
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but that'll be a huge priority for me as Governor Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Thank you very much for your question, Thank you for
your patience. I want to ask you a question that
comes to mind recently. In Hyde Park, which is part
of Boston, obviously, there was a five year old boy
who got off a school bus and within a matter
of seconds he was run over by that school bus. Now,
I'm sure you've heard the story. The bus allegedly, the
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bus driver allegedly had been in an accident a little
earlier in the afternoon side swiping a couple of cars,
I believe in Mattapan it has now been over three
weeks and we know very little. We have not heard
much from the mayor. And now again, I know you're
not running against the mayor, but this is a democratically
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controlled city, a democratic district attorney, a police commission appointed
by a democratic mayor. My theory, Mike, and I'd love
to know if you buy into this theory, is that
if there was tragically a child at the age of
five run over by a bus in Wellesley, Weston Whaland
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or Winchester, I think we'd know a lot more about
the cause of the accident, the status of the bus driver,
the circumstances that led up to the accident. Then yeah,
we've heard about this little boy in Boston, and to me,
that just reeks of a city of Boston that does
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not care about not only if they don't care about
the youngest in their community, how did they care about
anyone in their community.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Well, again, I agree with that, and these communities have
been north and I think it does speak to the
fact that there's a leadership opportunity for a publican governor
to speak out against these things, and yet we're talking
about the city of Boston, not the Commonwealth. But we've
got one party rule across city and state right now,
and there's simply not enough accountability. Now'll give you another example.
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The state was in a law negotiation with Boston about
Boston Public Schools and put them into a They didn't
put him in receivership, but they put him in kind
of a plan where performance is monitored, and that terminated
without any real increase in performance, and the healthy administration
just let Boston Public Schools off the hook. That is
not acceptable, and so we need to have strong Republican
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leadership in the Corner office in the State House to
point things like this out and to speak up against
this one party rule.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
My guest is Mike Knneely. He's a Republican candidate running
for governor. We'll continue our conversation with him and with callers.
And by the way, I think what might have happened
with that first caller. Folks, listen to the program through
your telephone. There is a ten second delay. So if
you were sitting across the room and you're listening on
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a speakerphone, we will call for you and you won't
be there, So please hold on to that telephone and listen.
Listen to us through the phone, not on your speakerphone,
particularly if it's halfway across the road. Back on Nights
Out with Mike Kenealy right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WA Austin's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
All right, let's keep rolling here. My guest is Mike Kanely,
Republican running for governor of Massachusetts. There will be a primary.
He is facing a candidate that we had with us
on Tuesday night, Brian short Sleeve, And I think the
Republican Party has two very qualified, experienced candidates, one of
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whom is likely to end up facing the incumbent mar Heally. Mike.
One question I asked Brian shortly the other night is
are you committed to support the winner of the primary,
whether it is you or someone else?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, that's a pretty straight in. So let's keep rover here.
Going to go to Henry and Quincy. Henry, you're next
on Night Side with Mike Kaneely. Go right ahead, Henry.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Hey, Dan, longtime listener, first time caller.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Hey, we gotta give you, We're got to give you
a ride of the clause is a first time call here,
if you go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, Hey, Mike, I'm wondering what's something that you're most
proud of of the Baker administration and something do you
feel like the administration may have fallen short? Well, I
think in terms of the economy and our management of
the budget. You look at those two things together. During
the Bigger administration, they were two hundred thirty thousand new
jobs created in Massachusetts, and we have budget surpluses. We
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actually returned three billion dollars to the tax period during
that period of time. Contrast that in the Heally administration,
we are fiftieth among the fifty states in job growth
over the last couple of years. I think I read
recently we've lost about twenty five thousand private sector jobs
but added ten thousand government jobs. That's not where we
need to go in terms of our economy. And the
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budget is similarly understrained. You know, the budget this year
is going to cost sixty one billion dollars. A dozen
years ago it was thirty billion dollars. And so the
Heally administration has us not a track where the budget's
growing taxes are growing. Our economy is slowing down, and
that's going to create enormous problems for us going forward
as a state. So this theme of great opportunity everybody
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and means having leaner, more effective government, more fiscal discipline,
and much more robust job growth. We're not seeing that,
I think in terms of the Baker administration generally, look,
I think you have to say the m bt A.
I think there's been a month a number of instances
that happened during the eight years of the Baker administration.
It seems to me that GM now is doing a
pretty good job getting that system turned around. So those
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are the two things I point to the combination of
fiscal management and the strong economy to let the strong
job growth and budget surpluses on the one hand, and
in terms of a deficiency, if you will, I think
the manage public transit.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Henry, appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You get my full support.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Thanks, Ny, appreciate you go.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Connor in Rubert Connor, you were next time I said
with Mike Connelly Kennely.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
Hey, thanks for taking my call down. My grandmother listening
to your show every night for a long time. So
I think should be pretty happy to hear me calling tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, I hope it. I hope it continues in the
family here, Connor go right.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
I'm carrying on the legacy. Thank you, Mike. My question
for you is, you know it's no secret More Hilly
have tarblele relationship with President Trump. I'm curious, how do
you think that impacts Massachusetts and how you would work
with the president.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's a great question. Look, Governor Heally built her career
by suing President Trump during her time as Attorney General,
and when things happen to Washington that she doesn't like,
she goes on TV and protest about it. And so
we don't have the kind of relationship with President Trump
that we ought to have as a state. And so
what I would do is look to work with the president,
work with anybody to help move our state forward. And
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I said before, when bad things happen, more Heally says,
get me on TV, I would say, get me on
a plane.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I'd want to.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Go down to Washington and meet with the President and
his team and make the case for Massachusetts and have
a collaborative relationship. But again, we have a governor now
that made her career serving as the opposition to the President,
and that's not going to set us up for a
productive dialogue going forward.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Color appreciate you call.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Thank you much, Thanks, thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Let me go to John in Boston. John, You're next
on Nightside with Mike Kneely, Republican candidate running for governor.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Hi Dan Hi. Mike, have a question about the MBTA
Communities Act. I live in the City of Boston, but
my parents they live out in the Metro West and
they bought their home thirty five years ago, and now
they're being designated as an MBTA community, and they're concerned
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about the hundreds of new housing developments that are going
to come into the their town, and you know the
impact that that's going to have on their taxes, the
need for new schools, the new infrastructure. So I'm just wondering,
you know, this bill was signed, and while you are
the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, can you produce
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one document or one public statement from while you are
a cabinet secretary thing that you were opposed to the
MPT Communities Act.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
What I complaint to is the fact that when it
passed and got handed to us legislature, we looked at
it and said, how can we make this legislative mandate
into a flexible tool in the toolbox for our cities
and towns. And we worked relentlessly with a prodate range
of stakeholders for months to create that framework, and by
the time we left office, it didn't seem to make
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anybody have much of a problem with it. What's happened
ince then, as I mentioned, is Governor Healy and the
Attorney General have weaponized that against our communities. And so
the concerns that you mentioned happening in that town. You know,
it's the job of the governor to get out there
and listen to those concerns. She's doubled down on mandates
and threats and lawsuits, and it's been way too much
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lecturing and not enough listening. And so that's going to
be my approach, and it's the approach I took a secretary.
I traveled the state endlessly for four years to get
stuff done, to listen and collaborate. And I don't think
this governor really understands local control and how things get
done around here. You don't get things done by ordering
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cities and towns to do things. You get things done
by working with them. And so that is the approach
I would take for the cities in towns. Hear their
concerns and help them do what they want to do,
versus tell them something that may not want.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
John appreciate your call. Nope, if he didn't want to say,
go by, Let's go to Anthony in Boston. Anthony and Boston,
you were next on Nightside. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Hi, Dan, I've been the longtime listener of your show,
so I appreciate you for letting me on.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You're very welcome first time calling.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, we've got to give you a round of applause
and my digital studio audience. Go right ahead. You're on
with Mike and Eely. You get one of the Republican
candidates for governor. Go ahead, Anthony.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
All right, Hi Mike. I'm a young college student living
in Massachusetts, specifically in Boston, and honestly, I don't see
a future living here. I was wondering what you would
do to make the state more affordable for people like me,
whether they're in college or they're just you know, a
young adult who want to stay and raise the family.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Oh don't go. Help is on the way. We got
real solutions here. Look cost of living for us as
a few different component. I mentioned housing, and I think
it's unfortunate by the way I talked about a collaborative
approach to help the cities and towns develop more housing.
I think you mentioned to live in Boston. Boston has
taken the opposite approach on this. I mean they have
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virtually shut down housing production of the city of Boston
by mandating more affordability housing and so called inclusionary zoning programs,
by trying to reenforce a much stricter green building code.
This again is where the climate agenda gets in the
way of the economic agenda, and so they've shut down production.
And over the last I think decade or so, Boston
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has produced probably thirty percent of all the housing produced statewide.
And so when Boston's housing production shuts down, it as
an incredibly detrimental effect in the overalls on the whole state.
So we need real solutions for producing more housing. Supplying
demands a real thing, and so housing prices are high
because it's not enough supply. But we need real, practical
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collaborative solutions on that one. You know, the energy costs
they mentioned it is again the green agenda driving upper
energy cost is not helpful. We've got to get away
from that and be serious about the cost of energy.
I've made this point now publicly a few times that
I don't believe that anybody in Governor Healer's administration who
views it as their job to look after the cost
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of energy. I think there's plenty of people focus on
the so called climate crisis, but not enough people focus
on the nuts and bolts of government in trying to
bring down the cost of energy. You mentioned also your
future and the state. I mean, data is a function
of having great schools and great economic opportunities, and so
I'm very concerned about our academic performance as a state.
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I think I mentioned that don't think Governor Heals has
an academic strategy. I think they're kind of I think
we're just kind of drifting along and resting on our
laurels as being the long standing number one in education
while our scores declined, and she's managing our decline in education,
not leading us forward. And I mentioned the economy as well.
Our job growth is slowed. So my vision for state
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is one where we've got responsible, accountable government, lower spending,
lower taxes, real strategies to manage our cost of living,
great schools and great jobs and a state government that
wants to work with everybody to make that happen and
that it will create a much better future for us.
So I hope you stick around, wait till January twenty
twenty seven, and things are going to get better.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Anthony. What school are you going to?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I go to Stuffolk University.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Good. Good for you. And are you from Boston originally
or are you from you know, either out of New England
or just simply outside of.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Boston, originally from New Hampshire, originally.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
From New Hampshire. Okay, well, welcome to Boston, and thanks
for listening to Night's Side. And I hope that you
can the program more often because I really enjoy listening
to young people with their ideas. So feel free to
call any night. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Dan, thank you, Mike, look forward
to voting for you.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
All right, thanks you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Take a very quick break here, one more round. We
got Al, Brad and James, we'll get all of you,
and we have a couple of vote well, we only
have one open line left and that's six one coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Night Side Dan Ray, I'm bas Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to get
as many folks in as we can. We have full lines.
Let's go to Alan weston al next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Go right ahead, Hi, how you doing today?
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You're welcome. Goright ahead, you're with Mike Kanely all.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Right with with Governor Healy wanted to raise taxes on
prescription drugs. And I don't want to be redundant with
the costs of Massachusetts. But will you cut taxes to
make the state more affordable?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I will absolutely, And I think what happened with Governor
Heally is obviously she's not set a tone within her
administration about now new taxes and the need to cut taxes. Otherwise,
these ideas with the surface. And I spent eight years
inside state government. I know it operates. And the fact
that she's come up with proposals on candy taxes, prescription drugs,
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letting municipal leaders raise taxes at the local level, reducing
charitable deductions means that means she has empowered her team
to go seek out new sources and revenue, and that's
just not appropriate. And so it has to happen is
we've got to recognize state government's doubled over the last
decade or so and they keep wanting to raise taxes,
and it really is up to the executive, the leader,
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to say, no, that's not going to happen. We're going
to hold the line up spending. We're going to cut spending,
and we're going to hold the line on taxes and
try to cut taxes. And I have to believe when
the budget goes from thirty to sixty one billion dollars,
their efficiency is to be found. And I've done this before.
I mentioned to Lawrence cut the size of the bureaucracy
about forty percent. You know, we realized it actually wasn't
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that hard. If you're focused on it that way, you
can get it done. Let's take the same approach. I
take the same approach within my Secretary and Housing in
Economic Development, streamlining programs, getting things done so that these
are proven reforms that have lasted, and you need that approach,
streamline reform state government, bring the spending down, that lets
you bring taxes down and tell your team, under no circumstances,
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she did come to me with a proposal to raise
taxes that's simply is not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You didn't mention her secretary of Transportation, is that Marcia
Tippet's nuts, I believe is her name, who wanted to
put in toll roads anywhere she could find an empty
spot in Massachusetts, following along with the philosophy that there's
only two things in the common wealth that are taxed
as I'm sure you know, Mike, anything that moves and
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anything that doesn't move. So thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Al, you definitely have my support.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Thank you, thanks so much. And the example bringing up
is an example of administration that lacks discipline. There's no
way in my administration the cabinet secretary speaks in public
or anywhere about I.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Don't know how Monica Tibbet's not kept her job.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I don't know. I don't know either. I can't talk
to Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I want to get everybody in here. If I can't,
let me go to Brad and andover. Brad, we've another
community heard from. Go ahead, Brad, You're next with Mike Keneally.
Go right ahead, Brad.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Thanks Dan, I really appreciate it, And Mike, thanks for
taking the question. I really like where you're at so
far on the affordability crisis and the migrant crisis. But
I'm wondering, do you support the Second Amendment referendum to
repeal Chapter one five?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I do, so, just to be clear, I support the
referendum to repeal it, so I would like one thirty
five repeal. Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Pretty good question, Pretty good answer. Thank you, Thank you, Brad,
appreciate it. Let me keep rolling. You're going to go
to James and Milton James an extra nightside. Go ahead,
go right ahead, Thanks.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
For having me.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
So I just wanted to ask, by not voting the
last three presidential elections, you basically wanted Hilly Quinn and
Joe Biden and Kamal Harris to be president, So you
have to give your responsibility as a voter. I got
to ask, why would we ever trust you to be governor?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
If I wanted them as president, I would have voted
for them, and you should trust me as governor based
on my ideas and my track records. Okay, We've got
very clear ideas around affordability, opportunity, and better government. I've
got a clear track record of delivering both in business
and public service. So that's why you should trust me.
Delivered for nineteen years in private equity, for twelve years
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full time in public service. I think we have the
right ideas, the right policies, the right experience. That's why
you should trust.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Me, right, James, the right question? Good good? I'm sorry. Good. Now.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
We desperately need to change the leadership and all the
dimensions I mentioned. Governor Heally is feeling us and I
am the Republican that can defeat her Umber twenty twenty
six and get the state back on a better path.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All right, James, direct question, direct answer, Thank you much.
Let me go next to Max in Boston. Max, next
on Nissager, Right ahead.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Mike, you already have one support. But I think it's
also a lot about more than just the governor's race.
How would you use your platform to help elect other
Republicans across Massachusetts?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That is a great question. I said at the outset.
I want to be the governor of all the people,
but be the Republican governor. And I've spent the last
couple of years working hard at the state Party to
support our candidates up and down the ballot, and so
in addition to being the finance chair for the party,
I was chaired something we call their Legislative Support Fund.
We supported our state legislative candidates, So I think it's
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very important we have strong candidates for the state wide
offices and federal offices for that matter, strong candidates for
the legislative seats. And the party has a growing effort
now to support candidates at the local level. So I
think every level of government's important, a local state legislative,
the constitutional offices in federal government. And I would do
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that as the core part of my job as the
Republican governor, to do what I could do to grow
the party, make the party stronger. So I will, like
I said, my work with you guys to and FOCSRO
Republicans listening to make our party strong will never stop.
I think that's going to be a core part of
my focus going forward.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Maks, great question, Thank you for your call. Let me
go next to TJ in Lawrence. TJ. You're on with
Mike Kenneally. Go right ahead, TJ.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Hi Dan, thanks for having me tonight. My question for you,
Mike is what's your plan for dealing with the criminal
legal immigrants in the state currently? Will you deport them
or do you have a better plan for that.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, government to deport people, But go ahead, mine.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, I think what has to happen. By the way,
I love getting a call from Lawrence. They spent two
great years working up there on the public school turnaround.
It's a great community with great people. Look, it has
to be coordination with local, county and state law enforcement
with the Feds, okay, to get criminals of our shelter,
off our streets and out of our state. And that
isn't happening now. You know, there was a Supreme Court
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decision here in Massachusetts called the One Decision, and it
basically said that there was not any capacity now for
local and state law enforcement to work with the feds
to do who you suggested. And Republican legislators have reformed
legislation like that and it's gone nowhere. So we have
to have a focus on that and just a different
leadership tone. And again the tone of governor Hellly is
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to oppose the federal government. My tone would be to
work with them and try to accomplish important things like
getting criminals out of our states. So that needs to happen.
Declaring day one, in uncertain terms, we're not a sanctuary state.
And working with the Feds to get the criminals out
of our That simply has to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
TJ. Thank you very much for you call. Appreciate it. There.
Of course, there's a federal court decision in two thousand
and eleven, the Arizona decision, in which the US Supreme
Court concluded that the federal government prehemps immigration policy in
this country and that they should set immigration policy in
this country. I still don't understand why that has not
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been argued and the Lend decision was not more respectful
of that case. But we'll leave that for another night. Mikennely,
how can folks who are interested in your campaign get
in touch with you and or your campaign?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Well, go to the website Mike Keney dot com and
it tells a lot more about me and my background.
On my Trekker corrector, it's got an issues page. We
talk about the ideas and policies I want to pursue,
and so encourage folks take a look at that, get
involved with the campaign. You can volunteer, you can donate
and learn more about it. But this is a very
very important race. Our state is not on a good
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path right now. Governor heally is failing us, and I'm
the Republican that can make a change in leadership and
become the next governor of the state. So I encourage
folks to take a look and love to have you
on board.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Mike Kennely, appreciate your time tonight. I thought it was
a good hour. Both you and Ryan Shortsleeve, I think
are two very formidable candidates. It'll be interesting to see
which one of you is the nominee, but both of
you have pledged that you will support whoever is the nominee.
And I think the Republican Party has a long way
to go, but I think there's a path that they
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can follow in twenty twenty six. Mike, thanks so much
for your time tonight. We'll have you back.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Thanks gat to be ready. Thank you, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
All Right, we get back. We're going to talk about
that had tragic, horrific event last night in Washington that
took the lives of two young people who worked on
the Israeli staff at the Israeli embassy in Washington, and
we'll be talking with the Consul general here in New England.
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