October 16, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
A New MA Real Estate Law that prevents home sellers from accepting an offer based on a buyer waiving a home inspection.
Guest: Mark Triglione - President of the 2025 Greater Boston Association of Realtors & Broker/Owner of Premiere Realty Group in Reading
EVERY DAY IS SUNDAY: How Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell Turned the NFL into a Cultural & Economic Juggernaut.
Guest: Ken Belson - New York Times Business & NFL reporter & author of new book
Boston skyline’s iconic CITGO sign is moving… on up.
Guest: Gayla Cawley – Boston Herald Reporter
A facelift at 28? Why young people are turning to plastic surgery…
Guest: Dr. Bruce Hermann – Plastic Surgeon
A New MA Real Estate Law that prevents home sellers from accepting an offer based on a buyer waiving a home inspection.
Guest: Mark Triglione - President of the 2025 Greater Boston Association of Realtors & Broker/Owner of Premiere Realty Group in Reading
EVERY DAY IS SUNDAY: How Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell Turned the NFL into a Cultural & Economic Juggernaut.
Guest: Ken Belson - New York Times Business & NFL reporter & author of new book
Boston skyline’s iconic CITGO sign is moving… on up.
Guest: Gayla Cawley – Boston Herald Reporter
A facelift at 28? Why young people are turning to plastic surgery…
Guest: Dr. Bruce Hermann – Plastic Surgeon
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice Dan, I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, good evening everyone, Good evening, and welcome in
to night's side. We have four hours to go between
now and midnight. Lots going on, busy night here as
always want to welcome all of you. My name is
Dan Ray, I'm the host of the show. And Rob
Brooks at his appointed location at Broadcast Central headquarters, whatever
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you want to call it, he's all set to take
your phone calls once we begin with that portion of
the program, and we will talk tonight about a couple
of items, one of which is back to square one
from Massachusetts. Boy, the Massachusetts Transportation Apartment Secretary of Transportation,
Monica tibbets Nut, has resigned today. Don't know that she
ever really got comfortable in the job. There have been
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a number of resignations by cabinet officials in the healthy administration,
and those sorts of things do take their goal to
take their their cost. I should say on on governors
and on elected officials. But and then later on I'm
going to talk about this leaked chat of some really
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immature and dumb young Republicans who who engaged in anti Semitic,
racist that homophobic text messages. It's it's tough to think
that after all these years, people who theoretically are in
their twenties and maybe mid twenties, and who have gone
to college still haven't been able to shake off anti semitism, racism,
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and homophobia. I don't know. It's it's pretty dispiriting, that
is for sure. We are going to start off tonight.
Our first guest is going to talk about a new
Massachusetts real estate law, and I got to be honest
with you. I've read a couple of articles on this
one and it's kind of confusing, and so I'm going
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to try to listen carefully, and I hope you will
as well. My guest joining us is Mark TRIGLIONI Mark Kope.
I got that. I got close to that pronunciation. How
are you?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You nailed it? Dan, I'm doing very well. How about you?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I'm great. You're the president of the twenty twenty five
Greater Boston Association of Realtors and Brokers, and you also
own a premier realty group in Reading, Massachusetts. So this
law deals with home inspections and I don't understand its purpose,
and I'm hoping you can explain to me and to
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my audience what this law effectively affects accomplishes. Let me
put it like that, what does this law accomplish? What's
the what's the benefit of the law.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that's that's a really great question. I think in
order to answer it, I'm going to back up a
little bit and kind to provide a quick summary so
your listener listeners can kind of establish a common set
of facts and understanding as far as you know, how
do we get here? How what was the purpose of
even putting a law like this in place? So the
quick summary of the new law is that home buyers
can no longer waive their home inspection when submitting an
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offer to purchase a property in Massachusetts, and home sellers
cannot demand or dictate in any way that a buyer
wave or forego their home inspection when they make an
offer or purchase their property. So it doesn't mean that
a buyer has to have a home inspection, and it
doesn't mean that a seller has to renegotiate price or
terms as a result of that inspection. But a buyer
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can't wave it before or during the offer process or
intimate they're going to waive it, and a seller can't
suggest or require in any way that they do so.
So to kind of establish the playing field that we're
on now is no buyer can wave it or intimate
they're going to wave it, no seller can force them
to do so.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I do. Here's what I understand. I purchase property
over the course of my lifetime. And why would anyone
purchase a piece of property, you know, with a house
on it, a home on it, and not have a
building inspection.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, let's just be honest, Dan, the real reason why
they would do that is because they feel like they
have to, right, And we both know that the real
estate market in Boston and Greater Boston and really all
of Massachusetts, but specifically Eastern Massachusetts has just been so
competitive for the last three to five years, but honestly
the last five to seven years. And so the more
and more competitive the market gets, the less and less
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supply there is and the more and more demand there is,
which around here is driven a lot of times by
educational resources, medical resources, scientific resources. As that equation starts
to shift, buyers start to forfeit more and more and
more to try to win the game, if you will,
of real estate and try to get that property that
they really love under agreement, which no one should really
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have to do that kind of like you had said,
you've bought property before, the idea of going into it
without having a professional kind of like you know what's
going on, what you're getting into seems kind of crazy.
But when you're crazy over a house, you do stuff
that seems kind of crazy. And in some cases that's
led to really bad consequences for buyers, and in some
cases it's led, you know, to buyers getting the property
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that they really wanted and they're they're kind of happy
with it. I think to go back to your first
question and answer it. Like with a lot of consumer
protection laws, it's really hard to say whether it's going
to be as it is the people that support it
say it is, or whether it's going to be as
bad as the people that don't support it say it's
going to be. And we won't really know until it's
been in the wild for some period of time. But
there's no question that the Commonwealth has hurt sellers in
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order to help buyers, and we'll just have to see
how that plays out in the market.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So, but this would be like buying an automobile without
have or ever having driven a car.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, that's certainly true. You know, the test drive that
you would get would be when you walk through the
house for a half hour during an open house or
showing what certainly isn't enough to make a buying decision.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, it would be like if you if it would
be like, I'm I'm k not getting You've explained it well,
but it would be as if the car dealer or
if you're particularly if you're buying a used car, because
most houses are used. Let's let's face.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So it would be like you're going to buy a
used car and it looks pretty good from the outside,
and the used car dealer says, I can't give you
the keys unless you want to buy it. But if
you'd like to sit in the front seat, if you'd
like to crawl around, that's okay. Whatever. No one would
do that. And it just seems to me that that
if you purchase a house and you don't have a
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home inspection, all the problems that the home inspection might
find will be unknown to you until after you own
the house, and there for the burden of taking care
of whatever you didn't find. What you did, what you
didn't look for Are there that many people who are
buying houses who don't even think of a home inspection?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I mean, well, it's not so much that they don't
think of it. And you're making great points, stand and
these are a lot of the conversations are similar to
the conversations that we're having when we're working with our
buyers out there. But it's not so much that buyers
couldn't do inspections before. What a lot of buyers were
doing before. And this is kind of I have a
corollary for your example. You know how when some people
buy a car, they have their own mechanic kind of
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look at it. Yeah, you know, they take a look
at it beforehand, and some people don't. What a lot
of buyers are doing is having an inspection before they
even submit the offer on the property. So they're having
an inspector come out and take a look at things
before they even get to the offering process. And so
that's been well, to be honest, me and a lot
of my contemporaries have been suggesting to buyers that they do.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So that they're not suggestions.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well, you know, when you're trying to represent your buyer's
best interest, to recommend they do what you're suggesting is
it feels as crazy as you're making it sound, right,
nobody would ever really want to do that. I think
the thing that makes this really tough, and you know,
this is kind of the hard part because it certainly
is an incredible boot for buyers across the Commonwealth, but
for most sellers, and especially in Greater Boston, their home
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is their biggest asset by far, and now one of
the most important principle factors that a seller considers when
they're trying to capitalize on that asset is taken out
of their hands. So I will I work with a
lot of buyers and a lot of sellers. Most realtors do.
They work with both, right, So I certainly see how
it's going to benefit buyers, but it does make me
nervous about unintended consequences about sellers trying to take advantage
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of that big asset that they have, and and most
pieces it's the biggest Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I think the idea of if you go to a
house and you like it, and you say to yourself,
I really want to make an offer in this house,
and let's assume that it is the price they're asking X,
and you decide, Okay, I'm going to I'm going to
offer ten thousand dollars less than X so X minus ten.
But I want to see the house. Now if the
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if the inspector comes back and they and inspect.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
That says, look, this is a really great house. There's
nothing wrong with it. You're not going to have to
do anything other than whatever you want to do in
terms of painting a room or something like that. You
might go back and say, well, as a result of
my inspection, my inspector tells me this house is in
really good shape. I'll now actually go and out. I'll
meet your asking price, or maybe even I'll offer ten
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over your asking price. So it would benefit everybody. And
the only person who's bearing the burden of the cost
of the home inspection is the potential buyer. But I
see that as something You're not going to do that
every house you look at. But when you find that house,
get that inspection done, it may you may realize look
at it and say, you know, they come back and say,
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you know, you get one hundred thousand dollars worth of
work that's got to be done in this house.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Do you really want to take that on, so, uh, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It's happened, Dan, it happen. You know, people are really
good at their jobs. In a lot of cases, people
are really good and really impressive at their jobs. But
let's be honest, most people's jobs do not involve major
systems to keep a house running and be in good
working condition, So there's no expectation that they should be
able to look at it and make proper evaluations. And
I really hope that in the end it creates a
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balanced market where buyers and sellers have, you know, an
equal opportunity to both capitalize their asset and know what
they're getting into. Again, it's just kind of the unintended
consequences of how might disaffect some sellers going forward. But
we are going to find out, and we're going to
find out now because every offer from today forward is
going to include this. There's kind of a you know,
not to get too much into the nitty gritty, but
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there's a new form. Basically every transaction will include similar
to a lead paint form if anyone's ever bought a
house built in nineteen seventy eight or before. Again, I
won't go too far into that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We're quickly here always more forms, the files only get thicker.
How can folks get in touch with you if they're
interested in following up on this conversation.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh, thank you for asking. I'll give out my personal
cell number at seven A one six four zero zero
one seven two. Feel free to give me a call.
I'll be happy to direct you to somebody who can
best represent you in your area. But more specifically, you
can reach out for resources to the Massachusetts Association of
Realtors or the Greater Boston Association of Realtors, who can
give you fair balanced resources both for people working in
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the industry and consumers.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, and again that phone number one more time.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Seven eight one six four zero zero one seven to two.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Perfect. Yeah, Sometimes people are scrambling for a piece of paper,
so I'd like if somebody's really interested, they want to
make sure they have a chance. And if anyone calls in,
Rob can give them that number as well. Mark Tweaklely only,
thank you very much, appreciate the conversation, really good information.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Thank you, Dan. I look forward to the rest of
the show tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I take care, Thank you much. All right, coming up
on the other side, we're going to talk a little
bit of football. There's a new book out, every Day
Is Sunday, by a fellow named Ken Belson, New York
Times business and NFL reporter and author of the book
every Day Is Sunday. Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Roger
Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
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We'll talk with Ken Belson right after this break here
on a Thursday night edition of Nightside. My name's Dan Ray.
Back right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Delighted to be joined by Ken Belson. Ken is a
New York Times business and NFL reporter and author of
a new book. The book is called every Day a Sunday.
How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the
NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. Ken Belson, Welcome
to KNIGHTSID. How are you this evening, sir?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Thanks for having me on, Dan appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I'm one of those guys up here in New
England who remember the Boston Patriots playing at Fenway Park,
braves Field which was bu Nickerson Field at the time,
Harvard Stadium, the old Alumni Field at Boston College. NFL's
come a really long way. You give Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft,
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and Roger Goodell tremendous amount of credit, which I agree with,
But didn't they really build this on the shoulders of
the people who came before the Pete Rozelle and you know,
you go back Vince Lombardi, Bud Starr or whatever, Johnny Yanidas.
Without those guys, there would have been no opportunity for
the Jerry Jones, the Robert Crafted and Roger Goodell. Why
are you focusing on Jones, Craft and Goodell.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Well, it's a good question. There's a quote that starts
the book from Bob Lamont, a well known coaches agent,
and he said that Pete Roselle is the equivalent of
Madison Avenue. He popularized the game football, overtook baseball, brought
the Super Bowl in color, TV, NFL films, all these
things were Pete Roselle's period. And then Paul Tagliabu really
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put a financial foundation under the league with the labor
agreement they struck in ninety three and then later the
Fox TV deal. And so yes, absolutely, Jerry Jones and
Robert Craft and certainly Roger Goodell a lot to them.
But look, I started a book in nineteen ninety three
because that's what we've of now currently as the modern NFL,
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the construct that is now with the sallery cap and
with free agency and with revenue sharing. So it was
an inflection point. I guess that's how I picked it.
You know, we could have started much, We could have
started nineteen fifty eight. Who at the Giants and Colts
at Yankee Stadium?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Absolutely the big over, the big overtime game. Absolutely said,
Steve Myra was the was the the guy that kicked
the field goal.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
If I recall, yes, yes, so, And Jerry Richardson, the
owner of the Pants future owner of the Panthers, was
playing for the Colts back then. So sure, yeah, it
was a It was a you know, I could have
picked a lot of moments.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But no, I get it, I get it, No, I
totally yeah. I mean, look, baseball wouldn't meet baseball today
without Babe Ruth or Jackie Robinson either. But all of
these sports build on the shoulders of the others. The
poor guys in the fifties who were maxing out at
twenty five thirty thousand dollars, which they thought was a
Great Baseball contract back then. Many of them ended up
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living in really poverty later in their lives while their
their successors were making two three four five million dollars
for sitting on the disabled list most most of the year.
And unfortunately, I remember the story about early win and
ending up three hundred game winner living in a trailer
park in Florida. So so we of course our little
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partial to Bob Craft up here because of what went
on with the Patriots. Tell us about Crafts involved in.
Kraft was a season ticket holder, as you know, who
eventually bought the team, and he kind of caught the
wave at the right time. He had Bledsoe for a
while and then he had to play That took but
that turned Bledsoe's career around and allowed Belichick to enter
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this this third string quarterback named Tom Brady, and the
rest is history.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, there's there's some interesting takeaways. Bob Craft is actually
meddling quite a bit in player decisions, including the Drew
Bledsoe contract in the nineties, and you know, he and
Parcels didn't get along. Jonathan Kraft was brought in, you know,
very early on, and you know, Craft enters when the
salary Cap comes in to play, and so you know,
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his son was deputized to figure out using analytics to
figure out how to come up with the optimum roster. Well,
that was not how Bill Parcells they dealt with things,
and so there was some tension there, and I think
sort of the technocratic way that the Craft family went
about it was frankly the future, right. I mean, now
every team has analytics departments and his data driven. They
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were doing that back in the nineties. But I think,
you know, Robert is a schmoozer. He wants everybody to
be happy, and he was putting himself in positions that
modern owners try and avoid. Now let your coach deal
with it, lets your GM deal with it. That was
a lesson he learned. And of course, when he brought
Belichick in, one of the reasons, or at least he
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claimed the reasons he brought him in, was because Belichick
had an economics degree and would be able to run
the CAP or figure out how to run the CAP. So,
you know, he he learned after five sixty years, I
better step back from this, at least from the day
to day stuff that he had been doing earlier.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I still think about the mo Loess, Hitt, and Bled
so Brady probably would have disappeared into the ether and
I don't know that we ever would have had the
six Super Bowl. So you got to thank the linebacker
for the Jets for that, ironic ironically, how's the How
is the book going? At this point? Obviously, the NFL
is the major American sport, And I say that to
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you during the week of the World Series or during
the week of the playoffs, it's tough to figure out
when if it comes down to Seattle in the first
time in the World Series, it's that's not great markets
from Major League Baseball and this World Series this year.
I think many people kind of remember who was in
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the World Series last year? Well it was the Yankees
and Dodgers, but say two years ago. But football, it's
impress still our minds. They know how to market. That
should be your next book, the marketing of the NFL.
But I assume a lot of that is in this
current book.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, very much so. I mean the title kind of
gives it away, right, you know that were maybe the
same age, you know when it was I used to
watch NFL films on Saturday evening to get amped up
for the following Sunday, and that was kind of all
you had. There was no sports center. H certainly it
was no cell phones and uh you know video clips.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
You know, the NFL has managed to figure it out.
You know, the games are really only played in the
fourth quarter of the year and then January for the playoffs,
and yet they have all this mind share. You know,
you're all right out of the Super Bowl into the combine.
Then you're getting going with the free agency, more talk shows,
more speculation, my team's going to sign so and so.
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Then you roll right into the draft, and then my favorite,
the primetime schedule announcement. As you know, so the NFL
is trying to fill in that count under. The draft
is now a road show, suspected it'll come to Boston
at some point, you know, and fans just can't seem
to get enough of it. I find it, you know.
I guess you're talking about on the backs of others,
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and it's absolutely true. You know, Pete Roselle wanted the
NFL to be to reach the broadest audience, and in
the eighties, when a lot of the networks were switching
over to cable TV, the NFL stuck with DBS, Fox,
NBC to get their largest reach. They could have made
money with regional sports networks and things like that, but
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they didn't. And in the end that turns out to
be the smartest move because tonight's game between the Steelers
and the Bengals or yes, Bengals will probably get seventeen
to eighteen million fans, and probably between the two championship
games they probably won't get as many combined.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So the Joe Flackle Bengals, we might add wei. One
guy's out and the guys in, and it's uh, it's
it is. It's yeah. The NFL knows how to market.
They really do. Uh. Ken. The book's doing well. I
thank you for your time tonight, anyone who's a football fan,
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certainly with the holidays coming up, great great for for
Dad's library. Every day is Sunday. You got it on
any given Sunday, but every day is Sunday. Jerry Jones,
Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the NFL, NFL into
a cultural and economic juggernaut. And you also have an
audiobook edition as well. That's good to hear. Ken, thank
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you very much for your time tonight. Enjoyed the conversation.
And uh I. You and I are old enough where
we remember these games and you remember your names like
Chuck Bednarik uh I was.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
A Larry Zaka guy uh in the seventies. I just
love that style of football, and they don't really play
it that way anymore, but he was. He was something
to hold now well.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
As a kid, I liked the Los Angeles Rams. This
was before the Patriots. I like Jaguar John Arnette and
Danny Toler who is a running back, and our Nette
obviously out of USC and then they had Dick Bass
and so those teams. Billy Wade, I mean, I could
talk to you about the Los Angeles Rams from the
fifties and you'd be bored. Hey, Ken, nice talking with you.
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Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You're welcome. Here comes the news at the bottom of
the hour. Then we're going to talk. We're not going
to talk baseball. We're going to talk as close about
something as close to Frimay Park as possible. That's the
sit go sign and it's moving, but it's moving on up.
Gala Collie the Boston Herald will join us right after
the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Delighted to be joined by Gala calling of the Boston Herald. Hey, Gala,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I'm good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, thanks for coming back. Now, this is a story
that has no political overtones, but we're talking about the
iconic Sitko sign Boston. Everyone in Fenway Park sees the
Citgo sign looming over the Green Monster, And for a
while a few years ago, the Citco sign was dark
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and then it's been lit up, and now they're going
to move it. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
So they're slightly repositioning it so basically it's going up
a little bit in the east. A little bit so
it's going further up in the sky by thirty feet
and one hundred and twenty feet to the east. And
they're saying that's going to preserve the original viewpoint. And
I think it's because the high rise development needs to
go a little higher in the sky.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So it's going to still be located on the same
roof as I understand it. If I'm wrong here, please
tell me. And they're just going to extend the base up.
It's not moving from one building to another zone.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Right, So it's the same location. There's a development of
redevelopment that's planned at that site to be in the
same location in Kenmar Square, and they're saying that it's
going to be the original viewpoint way back in the day.
So it's just being repositioned, not move not moved very far.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, So back to where it was is what I'm here.
I knew it's it's returning to its original position, but
if it stayed where it is now, I forget why
it was moved in the first place. Do you did
you cover that aspect? I know it was at one
point it was. Was it taken I don't know if
it was taken down, but at one point it was.
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It was moved from somewhere to somewhere. So now it's
going back to its original position. What is there a
building that's being constructed that might obstruct part of the view.
Is that I took that from your column?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Is that what's going on the redevelopment planned Kenworth Square
at the Beacon Street. So there is construction that's going
on in the sign. The repositioning and the sign is
part of that construction. So this sign goes back to
nineteen forty. It was originally the city service sign, and
it was reinstalled in nineteen sixty five as the introduction
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to the Citgo brand. So it's been quite a while
since it's been moved.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But I thought that there was a point sometime within
the last ten or fifteen years where there was some controversy.
So you're saying it's it was moved in placed in
its current position in nineteen sixty five. It's been there now,
what would that be sixty years?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Was sixty years? Yeah, So it was reinstalled with the
sit goo sign the sit Gogo brand in sixty years ago.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Okay. But for some reason, I thought that there was
some moment in time more recently than that where either
it went dark or it was being there was some
threat when there was some development over there and there
was a big hoopla, I remember, and they saved the
sitko sign. Uh And and at some point I thought
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that it went dark and we didn't see it, you know,
for a while, and then and then they brought it back.
That do you recall any of that or am I
misremembering something that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
You could be correct. I think back seven years ago
there was a proposal to move it. I think that
was vetoed by by a former mayor, and there there
was a deal to keep it in place.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, who who? Obviously the beneficiary of the sign is Citko,
because people you know, see the sign. Does Citico pay
a fee or has that been sort of designated as
a historical fixture and it can't be moved. I'm always
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interested in kind of the is this aspect of that.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I'm not overly familiar with the history. I think there
was a move by the Landmark the Committee to try
to make it a landmark in Boston. I I don't
know if that if that occurred. I think it's been
described as a landmark sign, but I'm not overly familiar
with the history of the sign.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, it is. It is a landmark sign. I mean, obviously,
not every seat in Fenway Park can see it, but
when you're looking from the grand stand, you gotta you've
got a pretty good look at it. I suspect that
there may be seats in some parts of the ballpark
where you can't see it. But it's the sort of
thing that everybody looks at, the famous Sitko sign, And
I remember there was some controversy. I think Sitko is
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a Venezuelan company, if I'm not mistaken, And at one
point there was some controversy over whether or not we
were supporting an oil company that was a in a
country that was hostile to the US. Venezuela was in
the news again today, so for unrelated reasons which I'm
not going to ask you about, Gala, thanks very much
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for joining us. As always, I hope things are going
well over the Boston Herald. You guys are still turning
out that daily newspaper. We're very lucky to have a
second newspaper, or to have two newspapers in Boston. There
are very few cities that still have two print newspapers
every day.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Yeah, havey thing's going well. It's Boston, Harold. Thanks for
having me very much.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Thanks thanks for joining us, Gala Colly of the Boston Herold.
Okay we get back. We are going to talk with
a plastic surgeon, doctor Bruce Herman. And this story is
I think I think it's absolutely I could say insane,
but it might be unfair to people who are suffering
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from insanity. But people as young as twenty eight years
old turning to plastic surgery for a facelift. Doctor Bruce
Herman will join us when we come back. Why anybody
at the age of twenty eight would even be thinking
about a face lift is beyond me. But if anybody's
going to know the answer to that question will be
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doctor Bruce Herman. He will join us on the other
side of the break here on nightside. We have one
more segment and then when we come up at nine
o'clock after the nine o'clock news, we will be talking
about Apple Green, the company that won the bid for
the Massachusetts plaza service contract. They then withdrew after having
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won the bid. This has thrown it all into a
big tumult and now the Department of Transportation which is
dealing with this mess that is left now by the
Secretary of the Department of Transportation who today announced our resignation.
Monicat Tibbets not it's kind of a natty story, but
we will bring up today. We'll talk with John Cesto
(28:53):
of the Boston Globe, as well as the CEO, Eric Slifka,
of the company that finished second and really Global Partners,
a local company that I think maybe should have been
awarded the contract once Apple Green Withdrew. But we'll get
to all of that. It's going to be a new
bit of the process. The durampike will the plazas and
(29:14):
the pike will get restored. But it's going to delay
a little bit, that's for sure. We'll be right back
on Nightside with doctor Bruce Herman, plastic surgeon. Why people
as young as twenty eight I'm looking for facelifts? Weird?
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Delighted to be joined by doctor Bruce Herman, a plastic surgeon.
Doctor Herman. Welcome to Nightside here in Boston. How are you.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So we see an article which one of my producers
highlighted for us that young people, and I don't know
if it's both men and women, but young people are
turning more and more to plastic surgery at an earlier age,
and that some actually are looking to get a facelift
when they're like as young as twenty eight years old
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in the late twenties. What is going on here? I mean,
is this pursuit of ideal beauty something that obviously it's
a boon for the plastic surgeons of the world. I'm
just curious if you think this as a healthy trend
and what's prompting it.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yeah, so, if you look at the data over the
past decade, there's no doubt whatsoever that younger people are
embracing both plastic surgery and non invasive aesthetic procedures at
a higher rate than people that are that were older
than at the same at the same age that they were.
But yeah, I was shocked to see this article from
the BBC that was talking about people in their twenties
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turning to facelift. You know, to me, that's just crazy
because I think that for certain procedures, if you're in
your twenties and you want to say, you know, maybe
have a tummy tug if you're done having kids, or
maybe if you want to like reduce your breast or
get a nose job. I mean, I'm not sure there's
that much difference in your twenties versus your thirties or forties.
But you know, historically facelifts have been reserved for people
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that are middle age or older, and so you know,
my my concern is is that people are getting these
procedures that they just don't need them. I mean, there's
a lot of other non surgical ways to tighten up
your skin or take care of your skin. And yeah,
I was just shocked to see that. I would never,
you know, ever be willing to do a facelift or
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necklift on somebody in their twenties.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's just way too early.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So let's talk about the cost. And again, I know
you're not saying that you advocate this procedure, but I'm
assuming a facelift for someone who is in their twenties.
And I realized this is a subjective determination. Some people
love the way they look and will always love the
way they look, and others don't like the way they
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look and will never like the way they look until
they do something this dramatic. What is involved in a
face lift in terms of the procedure, the recovery time,
the cost. Yeah, you us kind of like the a
face lift, not that we're trying to encourage people to
take to sure take this project good.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Yeah, And I think it's important to understand what's involved
with a facelift because then it becomes clear that young
people don't need these. So you know, there's basically in
a simplified explanation. Two parts to a face lift. You're
tightening the skin of the face in generally the neck,
but you're also tightening those deep structural components. So in
the neck that's the patisma muscle, and in the face
it's the smass, which is the fiber. Uh, the fiber
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the fibrotic system over the muscles. And so the reason
that face lifts are reserved more for people in older
age is because those deep structural components start to wear
out as the decades go by, and a young person
it would be almost unheard of for those things to
be structurally lax enough to warn a face lift. So
that procedure tightens up the deep structures, it tightens up
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the face. As far as the recovery, uh, you know,
you're looking at a solid two or three weeks of
being swore and then bruised enough that people are going
to know you have something done. Typically they're not overly painful,
but just the after effects the surgery make it known
that hey, I had a procedure. And as far as costs,
that varies widely. You know around where I live in
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the Dallas Metroplex. For facelift, you're probably looking at the
eight to ten thousand dollars range, but again that varies
by region and location, and you know, bigger cities they
cost more, smaller cities a little bit less. But one
of the other shocking things about this BBC story is
this lady actually went to Turkey to get her facelift
medical tourism, which I'm not for whatsoever that talk about
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this all the time in the media. It's it's pretty dangerous.
But she ended up getting six procedures at once. And
of course, you know, people do the medical tourism places
like Turkey because the cost is so much cheaper.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Why in a place like Turkey is that? Is that
because the government supports the medical community or to to
doctors in Turkey and other places. I know a lot
of people from the u US goes to go to
Mexico for you know, sometimes you know, very serious things
like cancer treatment. They feel that they hear about some
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doctor who's a miracle work or in those cases, it's
not the case these countries where where the cost is
so substantially different. Is that a question of the government
of that country supporting them, or is it just the
financial structure of a specific country.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, it's just the cost of doing business. I mean,
you know, it's a lot cheaper to you know, have
a surgical clinic and you know the third world country
that is the United States or the UK, which is
where a lot of the people that go to Turkey
come from. So yeah, it's just cheaper overall. Of course,
you know, there's not as much regulation, so there's always
the question of are these people properly trained? Is the facility,
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you know, properly licensed.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Not a lot of malpractice insurance payments either, I assume.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's the other big thing is like if
you go out of the country and have surgery and
you get completely botched, you have no recourse whatsoever. You
you know, you can't see somebody in the Dominican Republic
or Turkey like like you would be able to in
your own country. So yeah, we could talk for a
whole nother hour about medical tourism. But but yeah, this
this lady went to the Turkey and got this facelift,
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and you know, apparently she had a pretty rough recovery.
It said it took her I not think it was
like months and months until she felt like herself again.
And you know, they asked her would you do this again?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And she said probably not.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
But but I mean, I think the bottom line is that,
you know, getting a facelift in your twenties is just
out of bounds in my book. You know, even people
that come to me in their forties, I you know,
oftentimes will steer them to a non surgical therapy and
facelift is something you only want to have once, right.
You don't have a facelift that you know forty five
and then have to repeat it down the road. So yeah,
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I'm a little bit conservative in the plastic surgery world.
I think that you know, definitely, twenties is way too young,
thirties way too young, and even forties is pushing it
generally when people get into their fifties. I'm like, yeah, okay,
this is this is kind of a reasonable option.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
When you do a facelift procedure. And I don't know
that you do facelifts per safe, but I do. Yeah,
we do, Okay, So yeah, how long is the procedure?
Is the patient, as in typical surgery, knocked out or
is it sort of a procedure where the patient can
stay awake from part or all of these The procedure that's.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
A bit of a controversial question.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
They can be done awake.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I do not do them awake.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
To me, it's just safer with the patient asleep. You know,
you can get into issues where if you're doing them
under local anesthesia, that either can give someone too much
local anesthetic which can cause problems, or they just can't
tolerate it. And so, you know, as I've gotten older
and further in my career, you know, I take less
risk for sure, and so you know, the safest thing
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is to do this under general anesthesia. But that being said,
there are some very good surgeons that do these under
local all the time. But as far as the time,
it takes me about four hours to do a facelift.
That's just an average timeframe, and and that does include
the nec We almost always do necklift with facelift because
the incisions are the same, and typically if somebody needs
a facelift, typically they'll they'll need a necklift as well.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And while you're doing this procedure, all of us try
to visualize how many assistants you're you're the doctor, obviously,
sure how many nurses and other assistants are there with you?
I mean, this is this is this is not simple stuff.
It's complicated stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Sure.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah, So I do my surgeries in a fully licensed,
regulated surgery center. So with me, it's the anesthesiologist. Uh,
there's a circulating nurse which will get supplies like suture
instruments if we need something extra. And then there's a
scrub or a certified surgical assistant which you know hands
me the instruments and assistant surgery. So it's a it's
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a four person team, uh, in addition to the patient
being there.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, it's it's amazing medically what all all you don't
all of you folks professional medical professionals can do. And
thanks very much for being somewhat skeptical on this. I
know this is this. There is a trend amongst a
lot of young people who are going to try to
do things as early as they can. And sure, I
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think that the caution that you've articulated tonight needed to
be heard by people.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
To be honest with you, no, I agree.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I mean, you know it's unfortunately that you know, social
media is pushing this. I mean, on the one hand,
social media has been good because it makes information about
these procedures more available, but then on the other hand,
it almost pushes people to do things you know, that
they may not do, or push them to do it
ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So yeah, it's an.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Interesting world we live in. But anybody's thinking about these procedures.
You know, I encourage people if you're thinking about doing something,
do your research. You know, go have multiple consults and
you know, you go go see a doctor's can take
the time to talk to you about all the pros
and cons of it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
And it's tough. Also in the world where social media,
you know, holds up people like Giselle Bunchkin and Taylor
Swift as ideals, and young young women particularly look in
the mirror and they say, well, how do I get
to look better than Taylor Swift?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Yeah, it's unrealistic beauty standards, right, yeah, unrealistic standards. Yeah,
it's sad. I mean I feel bad for people, and
you know, I started to do my part to educate
people so people aren't making bad decisions about things.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Thank you so much, appreciate it, very very much, Doctor
Bruce Hermann, plastic surgeon. Thank you again, doctor.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
No, thank you, it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right back at you. We get back nine o'clock news.
We will be talking about the big contract to fix
the plazas out on the mass Turnpike and elsewhere. It
affects all of us, and right now it's not going
in a particularly good direction. I'll talk with John Chester
of the Globe, just a fabulous bysic reporter, and Eric Slifka,
(39:51):
who is the CEO of Global Partners back on Nights Side,
right after the nine
It's nice Dan, I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, good evening everyone, Good evening, and welcome in
to night's side. We have four hours to go between
now and midnight. Lots going on, busy night here as
always want to welcome all of you. My name is
Dan Ray, I'm the host of the show. And Rob
Brooks at his appointed location at Broadcast Central headquarters, whatever
(00:27):
you want to call it, he's all set to take
your phone calls once we begin with that portion of
the program, and we will talk tonight about a couple
of items, one of which is back to square one
from Massachusetts. Boy, the Massachusetts Transportation Apartment Secretary of Transportation,
Monica tibbets Nut, has resigned today. Don't know that she
ever really got comfortable in the job. There have been
(00:51):
a number of resignations by cabinet officials in the healthy administration,
and those sorts of things do take their goal to
take their their cost. I should say on on governors
and on elected officials. But and then later on I'm
going to talk about this leaked chat of some really
(01:12):
immature and dumb young Republicans who who engaged in anti Semitic,
racist that homophobic text messages. It's it's tough to think
that after all these years, people who theoretically are in
their twenties and maybe mid twenties, and who have gone
to college still haven't been able to shake off anti semitism, racism,
(01:37):
and homophobia. I don't know. It's it's pretty dispiriting, that
is for sure. We are going to start off tonight.
Our first guest is going to talk about a new
Massachusetts real estate law, and I got to be honest
with you. I've read a couple of articles on this
one and it's kind of confusing, and so I'm going
(01:59):
to try to listen carefully, and I hope you will
as well. My guest joining us is Mark TRIGLIONI Mark Kope.
I got that. I got close to that pronunciation. How
are you?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You nailed it? Dan, I'm doing very well. How about you?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I'm great. You're the president of the twenty twenty five
Greater Boston Association of Realtors and Brokers, and you also
own a premier realty group in Reading, Massachusetts. So this
law deals with home inspections and I don't understand its purpose,
and I'm hoping you can explain to me and to
(02:35):
my audience what this law effectively affects accomplishes. Let me
put it like that, what does this law accomplish? What's
the what's the benefit of the law.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that's that's a really great question. I think in
order to answer it, I'm going to back up a
little bit and kind to provide a quick summary so
your listener listeners can kind of establish a common set
of facts and understanding as far as you know, how
do we get here? How what was the purpose of
even putting a law like this in place? So the
quick summary of the new law is that home buyers
can no longer waive their home inspection when submitting an
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offer to purchase a property in Massachusetts, and home sellers
cannot demand or dictate in any way that a buyer
wave or forego their home inspection when they make an
offer or purchase their property. So it doesn't mean that
a buyer has to have a home inspection, and it
doesn't mean that a seller has to renegotiate price or
terms as a result of that inspection. But a buyer
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can't wave it before or during the offer process or
intimate they're going to waive it, and a seller can't
suggest or require in any way that they do so.
So to kind of establish the playing field that we're
on now is no buyer can wave it or intimate
they're going to wave it, no seller can force them
to do so.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I do. Here's what I understand. I purchase property
over the course of my lifetime. And why would anyone
purchase a piece of property, you know, with a house
on it, a home on it, and not have a
building inspection.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, let's just be honest, Dan, the real reason why
they would do that is because they feel like they
have to, right, And we both know that the real
estate market in Boston and Greater Boston and really all
of Massachusetts, but specifically Eastern Massachusetts has just been so
competitive for the last three to five years, but honestly
the last five to seven years. And so the more
and more competitive the market gets, the less and less
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supply there is and the more and more demand there is,
which around here is driven a lot of times by
educational resources, medical resources, scientific resources. As that equation starts
to shift, buyers start to forfeit more and more and
more to try to win the game, if you will,
of real estate and try to get that property that
they really love under agreement, which no one should really
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have to do that kind of like you had said,
you've bought property before, the idea of going into it
without having a professional kind of like you know what's
going on, what you're getting into seems kind of crazy.
But when you're crazy over a house, you do stuff
that seems kind of crazy. And in some cases that's
led to really bad consequences for buyers, and in some
cases it's led, you know, to buyers getting the property
(05:13):
that they really wanted and they're they're kind of happy
with it. I think to go back to your first
question and answer it. Like with a lot of consumer
protection laws, it's really hard to say whether it's going
to be as it is the people that support it
say it is, or whether it's going to be as
bad as the people that don't support it say it's
going to be. And we won't really know until it's
been in the wild for some period of time. But
there's no question that the Commonwealth has hurt sellers in
(05:37):
order to help buyers, and we'll just have to see
how that plays out in the market.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So, but this would be like buying an automobile without
have or ever having driven a car.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, that's certainly true. You know, the test drive that
you would get would be when you walk through the
house for a half hour during an open house or
showing what certainly isn't enough to make a buying decision.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, it would be like if you if it would
be like, I'm I'm k not getting You've explained it well,
but it would be as if the car dealer or
if you're particularly if you're buying a used car, because
most houses are used. Let's let's face.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So it would be like you're going to buy a
used car and it looks pretty good from the outside,
and the used car dealer says, I can't give you
the keys unless you want to buy it. But if
you'd like to sit in the front seat, if you'd
like to crawl around, that's okay. Whatever. No one would
do that. And it just seems to me that that
if you purchase a house and you don't have a
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home inspection, all the problems that the home inspection might
find will be unknown to you until after you own
the house, and there for the burden of taking care
of whatever you didn't find. What you did, what you
didn't look for Are there that many people who are
buying houses who don't even think of a home inspection?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I mean, well, it's not so much that they don't
think of it. And you're making great points, stand and
these are a lot of the conversations are similar to
the conversations that we're having when we're working with our
buyers out there. But it's not so much that buyers
couldn't do inspections before. What a lot of buyers were
doing before. And this is kind of I have a
corollary for your example. You know how when some people
buy a car, they have their own mechanic kind of
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look at it. Yeah, you know, they take a look
at it beforehand, and some people don't. What a lot
of buyers are doing is having an inspection before they
even submit the offer on the property. So they're having
an inspector come out and take a look at things
before they even get to the offering process. And so
that's been well, to be honest, me and a lot
of my contemporaries have been suggesting to buyers that they do.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So that they're not suggestions.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well, you know, when you're trying to represent your buyer's
best interest, to recommend they do what you're suggesting is
it feels as crazy as you're making it sound, right,
nobody would ever really want to do that. I think
the thing that makes this really tough, and you know,
this is kind of the hard part because it certainly
is an incredible boot for buyers across the Commonwealth, but
for most sellers, and especially in Greater Boston, their home
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is their biggest asset by far, and now one of
the most important principle factors that a seller considers when
they're trying to capitalize on that asset is taken out
of their hands. So I will I work with a
lot of buyers and a lot of sellers. Most realtors do.
They work with both, right, So I certainly see how
it's going to benefit buyers, but it does make me
nervous about unintended consequences about sellers trying to take advantage
(08:27):
of that big asset that they have, and and most
pieces it's the biggest Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I think the idea of if you go to a
house and you like it, and you say to yourself,
I really want to make an offer in this house,
and let's assume that it is the price they're asking X,
and you decide, Okay, I'm going to I'm going to
offer ten thousand dollars less than X so X minus ten.
But I want to see the house. Now if the
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if the inspector comes back and they and inspect.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
That says, look, this is a really great house. There's
nothing wrong with it. You're not going to have to
do anything other than whatever you want to do in
terms of painting a room or something like that. You
might go back and say, well, as a result of
my inspection, my inspector tells me this house is in
really good shape. I'll now actually go and out. I'll
meet your asking price, or maybe even I'll offer ten
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over your asking price. So it would benefit everybody. And
the only person who's bearing the burden of the cost
of the home inspection is the potential buyer. But I
see that as something You're not going to do that
every house you look at. But when you find that house,
get that inspection done, it may you may realize look
at it and say, you know, they come back and say,
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you know, you get one hundred thousand dollars worth of
work that's got to be done in this house.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Do you really want to take that on, so, uh, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It's happened, Dan, it happen. You know, people are really
good at their jobs. In a lot of cases, people
are really good and really impressive at their jobs. But
let's be honest, most people's jobs do not involve major
systems to keep a house running and be in good
working condition, So there's no expectation that they should be
able to look at it and make proper evaluations. And
I really hope that in the end it creates a
(10:08):
balanced market where buyers and sellers have, you know, an
equal opportunity to both capitalize their asset and know what
they're getting into. Again, it's just kind of the unintended
consequences of how might disaffect some sellers going forward. But
we are going to find out, and we're going to
find out now because every offer from today forward is
going to include this. There's kind of a you know,
not to get too much into the nitty gritty, but
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there's a new form. Basically every transaction will include similar
to a lead paint form if anyone's ever bought a
house built in nineteen seventy eight or before. Again, I
won't go too far into that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We're quickly here always more forms, the files only get thicker.
How can folks get in touch with you if they're
interested in following up on this conversation.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh, thank you for asking. I'll give out my personal
cell number at seven A one six four zero zero
one seven two. Feel free to give me a call.
I'll be happy to direct you to somebody who can
best represent you in your area. But more specifically, you
can reach out for resources to the Massachusetts Association of
Realtors or the Greater Boston Association of Realtors, who can
give you fair balanced resources both for people working in
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the industry and consumers.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, and again that phone number one more time.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Seven eight one six four zero zero one seven to two.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Perfect. Yeah, Sometimes people are scrambling for a piece of paper,
so I'd like if somebody's really interested, they want to
make sure they have a chance. And if anyone calls in,
Rob can give them that number as well. Mark Tweaklely only,
thank you very much, appreciate the conversation, really good information.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Thank you, Dan. I look forward to the rest of
the show tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I take care, Thank you much. All right, coming up
on the other side, we're going to talk a little
bit of football. There's a new book out, every Day
Is Sunday, by a fellow named Ken Belson, New York
Times business and NFL reporter and author of the book
every Day Is Sunday. Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Roger
Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
(11:58):
We'll talk with Ken Belson right after this break here
on a Thursday night edition of Nightside. My name's Dan Ray.
Back right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Delighted to be joined by Ken Belson. Ken is a
New York Times business and NFL reporter and author of
a new book. The book is called every Day a Sunday.
How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the
NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. Ken Belson, Welcome
to KNIGHTSID. How are you this evening, sir?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Thanks for having me on, Dan appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I'm one of those guys up here in New
England who remember the Boston Patriots playing at Fenway Park,
braves Field which was bu Nickerson Field at the time,
Harvard Stadium, the old Alumni Field at Boston College. NFL's
come a really long way. You give Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft,
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and Roger Goodell tremendous amount of credit, which I agree with,
But didn't they really build this on the shoulders of
the people who came before the Pete Rozelle and you know,
you go back Vince Lombardi, Bud Starr or whatever, Johnny Yanidas.
Without those guys, there would have been no opportunity for
the Jerry Jones, the Robert Crafted and Roger Goodell. Why
are you focusing on Jones, Craft and Goodell.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Well, it's a good question. There's a quote that starts
the book from Bob Lamont, a well known coaches agent,
and he said that Pete Roselle is the equivalent of
Madison Avenue. He popularized the game football, overtook baseball, brought
the Super Bowl in color, TV, NFL films, all these
things were Pete Roselle's period. And then Paul Tagliabu really
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put a financial foundation under the league with the labor
agreement they struck in ninety three and then later the
Fox TV deal. And so yes, absolutely, Jerry Jones and
Robert Craft and certainly Roger Goodell a lot to them.
But look, I started a book in nineteen ninety three
because that's what we've of now currently as the modern NFL,
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the construct that is now with the sallery cap and
with free agency and with revenue sharing. So it was
an inflection point. I guess that's how I picked it.
You know, we could have started much, We could have
started nineteen fifty eight. Who at the Giants and Colts
at Yankee Stadium?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Absolutely the big over, the big overtime game. Absolutely said,
Steve Myra was the was the the guy that kicked
the field goal.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
If I recall, yes, yes, so, And Jerry Richardson, the
owner of the Pants future owner of the Panthers, was
playing for the Colts back then. So sure, yeah, it
was a It was a you know, I could have
picked a lot of moments.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But no, I get it, I get it, No, I
totally yeah. I mean, look, baseball wouldn't meet baseball today
without Babe Ruth or Jackie Robinson either. But all of
these sports build on the shoulders of the others. The
poor guys in the fifties who were maxing out at
twenty five thirty thousand dollars, which they thought was a
Great Baseball contract back then. Many of them ended up
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living in really poverty later in their lives while their
their successors were making two three four five million dollars
for sitting on the disabled list most most of the year.
And unfortunately, I remember the story about early win and
ending up three hundred game winner living in a trailer
park in Florida. So so we of course our little
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partial to Bob Craft up here because of what went
on with the Patriots. Tell us about Crafts involved in.
Kraft was a season ticket holder, as you know, who
eventually bought the team, and he kind of caught the
wave at the right time. He had Bledsoe for a
while and then he had to play That took but
that turned Bledsoe's career around and allowed Belichick to enter
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this this third string quarterback named Tom Brady, and the
rest is history.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, there's there's some interesting takeaways. Bob Craft is actually
meddling quite a bit in player decisions, including the Drew
Bledsoe contract in the nineties, and you know, he and
Parcels didn't get along. Jonathan Kraft was brought in, you know,
very early on, and you know, Craft enters when the
salary Cap comes in to play, and so you know,
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his son was deputized to figure out using analytics to
figure out how to come up with the optimum roster. Well,
that was not how Bill Parcells they dealt with things,
and so there was some tension there, and I think
sort of the technocratic way that the Craft family went
about it was frankly the future, right. I mean, now
every team has analytics departments and his data driven. They
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were doing that back in the nineties. But I think,
you know, Robert is a schmoozer. He wants everybody to
be happy, and he was putting himself in positions that
modern owners try and avoid. Now let your coach deal
with it, lets your GM deal with it. That was
a lesson he learned. And of course, when he brought
Belichick in, one of the reasons, or at least he
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claimed the reasons he brought him in, was because Belichick
had an economics degree and would be able to run
the CAP or figure out how to run the CAP. So,
you know, he he learned after five sixty years, I
better step back from this, at least from the day
to day stuff that he had been doing earlier.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I still think about the mo Loess, Hitt, and Bled
so Brady probably would have disappeared into the ether and
I don't know that we ever would have had the
six Super Bowl. So you got to thank the linebacker
for the Jets for that, ironic ironically, how's the How
is the book going? At this point? Obviously, the NFL
is the major American sport, And I say that to
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you during the week of the World Series or during
the week of the playoffs, it's tough to figure out
when if it comes down to Seattle in the first
time in the World Series, it's that's not great markets
from Major League Baseball and this World Series this year.
I think many people kind of remember who was in
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the World Series last year? Well it was the Yankees
and Dodgers, but say two years ago. But football, it's
impress still our minds. They know how to market. That
should be your next book, the marketing of the NFL.
But I assume a lot of that is in this
current book.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, very much so. I mean the title kind of
gives it away, right, you know that were maybe the
same age, you know when it was I used to
watch NFL films on Saturday evening to get amped up
for the following Sunday, and that was kind of all
you had. There was no sports center. H certainly it
was no cell phones and uh you know video clips.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
You know, the NFL has managed to figure it out.
You know, the games are really only played in the
fourth quarter of the year and then January for the playoffs,
and yet they have all this mind share. You know,
you're all right out of the Super Bowl into the combine.
Then you're getting going with the free agency, more talk shows,
more speculation, my team's going to sign so and so.
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Then you roll right into the draft, and then my favorite,
the primetime schedule announcement. As you know, so the NFL
is trying to fill in that count under. The draft
is now a road show, suspected it'll come to Boston
at some point, you know, and fans just can't seem
to get enough of it. I find it, you know.
I guess you're talking about on the backs of others,
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and it's absolutely true. You know, Pete Roselle wanted the
NFL to be to reach the broadest audience, and in
the eighties, when a lot of the networks were switching
over to cable TV, the NFL stuck with DBS, Fox,
NBC to get their largest reach. They could have made
money with regional sports networks and things like that, but
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they didn't. And in the end that turns out to
be the smartest move because tonight's game between the Steelers
and the Bengals or yes, Bengals will probably get seventeen
to eighteen million fans, and probably between the two championship
games they probably won't get as many combined.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So the Joe Flackle Bengals, we might add wei. One
guy's out and the guys in, and it's uh, it's
it is. It's yeah. The NFL knows how to market.
They really do. Uh. Ken. The book's doing well. I
thank you for your time tonight, anyone who's a football fan,
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certainly with the holidays coming up, great great for for
Dad's library. Every day is Sunday. You got it on
any given Sunday, but every day is Sunday. Jerry Jones,
Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the NFL, NFL into
a cultural and economic juggernaut. And you also have an
audiobook edition as well. That's good to hear. Ken, thank
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you very much for your time tonight. Enjoyed the conversation.
And uh I. You and I are old enough where
we remember these games and you remember your names like
Chuck Bednarik uh I was.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
A Larry Zaka guy uh in the seventies. I just
love that style of football, and they don't really play
it that way anymore, but he was. He was something
to hold now well.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
As a kid, I liked the Los Angeles Rams. This
was before the Patriots. I like Jaguar John Arnette and
Danny Toler who is a running back, and our Nette
obviously out of USC and then they had Dick Bass
and so those teams. Billy Wade, I mean, I could
talk to you about the Los Angeles Rams from the
fifties and you'd be bored. Hey, Ken, nice talking with you.
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Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You're welcome. Here comes the news at the bottom of
the hour. Then we're going to talk. We're not going
to talk baseball. We're going to talk as close about
something as close to Frimay Park as possible. That's the
sit go sign and it's moving, but it's moving on up.
Gala Collie the Boston Herald will join us right after
the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Delighted to be joined by Gala calling of the Boston Herald. Hey, Gala,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I'm good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, thanks for coming back. Now, this is a story
that has no political overtones, but we're talking about the
iconic Sitko sign Boston. Everyone in Fenway Park sees the
Citgo sign looming over the Green Monster, And for a
while a few years ago, the Citco sign was dark
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and then it's been lit up, and now they're going
to move it. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
So they're slightly repositioning it so basically it's going up
a little bit in the east. A little bit so
it's going further up in the sky by thirty feet
and one hundred and twenty feet to the east. And
they're saying that's going to preserve the original viewpoint. And
I think it's because the high rise development needs to
go a little higher in the sky.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So it's going to still be located on the same
roof as I understand it. If I'm wrong here, please
tell me. And they're just going to extend the base up.
It's not moving from one building to another zone.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Right, So it's the same location. There's a development of
redevelopment that's planned at that site to be in the
same location in Kenmar Square, and they're saying that it's
going to be the original viewpoint way back in the day.
So it's just being repositioned, not move not moved very far.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, So back to where it was is what I'm here.
I knew it's it's returning to its original position, but
if it stayed where it is now, I forget why
it was moved in the first place. Do you did
you cover that aspect? I know it was at one
point it was. Was it taken I don't know if
it was taken down, but at one point it was.
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It was moved from somewhere to somewhere. So now it's
going back to its original position. What is there a
building that's being constructed that might obstruct part of the view.
Is that I took that from your column?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Is that what's going on the redevelopment planned Kenworth Square
at the Beacon Street. So there is construction that's going
on in the sign. The repositioning and the sign is
part of that construction. So this sign goes back to
nineteen forty. It was originally the city service sign, and
it was reinstalled in nineteen sixty five as the introduction
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to the Citgo brand. So it's been quite a while
since it's been moved.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But I thought that there was a point sometime within
the last ten or fifteen years where there was some controversy.
So you're saying it's it was moved in placed in
its current position in nineteen sixty five. It's been there now,
what would that be sixty years?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Was sixty years? Yeah, So it was reinstalled with the
sit goo sign the sit Gogo brand in sixty years ago.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Okay. But for some reason, I thought that there was
some moment in time more recently than that where either
it went dark or it was being there was some
threat when there was some development over there and there
was a big hoopla, I remember, and they saved the
sitko sign. Uh And and at some point I thought
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that it went dark and we didn't see it, you know,
for a while, and then and then they brought it back.
That do you recall any of that or am I
misremembering something that didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
You could be correct. I think back seven years ago
there was a proposal to move it. I think that
was vetoed by by a former mayor, and there there
was a deal to keep it in place.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, who who? Obviously the beneficiary of the sign is Citko,
because people you know, see the sign. Does Citico pay
a fee or has that been sort of designated as
a historical fixture and it can't be moved. I'm always
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interested in kind of the is this aspect of that.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I'm not overly familiar with the history. I think there
was a move by the Landmark the Committee to try
to make it a landmark in Boston. I I don't
know if that if that occurred. I think it's been
described as a landmark sign, but I'm not overly familiar
with the history of the sign.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, it is. It is a landmark sign. I mean, obviously,
not every seat in Fenway Park can see it, but
when you're looking from the grand stand, you gotta you've
got a pretty good look at it. I suspect that
there may be seats in some parts of the ballpark
where you can't see it. But it's the sort of
thing that everybody looks at, the famous Sitko sign, And
I remember there was some controversy. I think Sitko is
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a Venezuelan company, if I'm not mistaken, And at one
point there was some controversy over whether or not we
were supporting an oil company that was a in a
country that was hostile to the US. Venezuela was in
the news again today, so for unrelated reasons which I'm
not going to ask you about, Gala, thanks very much
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for joining us. As always, I hope things are going
well over the Boston Herald. You guys are still turning
out that daily newspaper. We're very lucky to have a
second newspaper, or to have two newspapers in Boston. There
are very few cities that still have two print newspapers
every day.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Yeah, havey thing's going well. It's Boston, Harold. Thanks for
having me very much.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Thanks thanks for joining us, Gala Colly of the Boston Herold.
Okay we get back. We are going to talk with
a plastic surgeon, doctor Bruce Herman. And this story is
I think I think it's absolutely I could say insane,
but it might be unfair to people who are suffering
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from insanity. But people as young as twenty eight years
old turning to plastic surgery for a facelift. Doctor Bruce
Herman will join us when we come back. Why anybody
at the age of twenty eight would even be thinking
about a face lift is beyond me. But if anybody's
going to know the answer to that question will be
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doctor Bruce Herman. He will join us on the other
side of the break here on nightside. We have one
more segment and then when we come up at nine
o'clock after the nine o'clock news, we will be talking
about Apple Green, the company that won the bid for
the Massachusetts plaza service contract. They then withdrew after having
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won the bid. This has thrown it all into a
big tumult and now the Department of Transportation which is
dealing with this mess that is left now by the
Secretary of the Department of Transportation who today announced our resignation.
Monicat Tibbets not it's kind of a natty story, but
we will bring up today. We'll talk with John Cesto
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of the Boston Globe, as well as the CEO, Eric Slifka,
of the company that finished second and really Global Partners,
a local company that I think maybe should have been
awarded the contract once Apple Green Withdrew. But we'll get
to all of that. It's going to be a new
bit of the process. The durampike will the plazas and
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the pike will get restored. But it's going to delay
a little bit, that's for sure. We'll be right back
on Nightside with doctor Bruce Herman, plastic surgeon. Why people
as young as twenty eight I'm looking for facelifts? Weird?
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Delighted to be joined by doctor Bruce Herman, a plastic surgeon.
Doctor Herman. Welcome to Nightside here in Boston. How are you.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So we see an article which one of my producers
highlighted for us that young people, and I don't know
if it's both men and women, but young people are
turning more and more to plastic surgery at an earlier age,
and that some actually are looking to get a facelift
when they're like as young as twenty eight years old
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in the late twenties. What is going on here? I mean,
is this pursuit of ideal beauty something that obviously it's
a boon for the plastic surgeons of the world. I'm
just curious if you think this as a healthy trend
and what's prompting it.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yeah, so, if you look at the data over the
past decade, there's no doubt whatsoever that younger people are
embracing both plastic surgery and non invasive aesthetic procedures at
a higher rate than people that are that were older
than at the same at the same age that they were.
But yeah, I was shocked to see this article from
the BBC that was talking about people in their twenties
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turning to facelift. You know, to me, that's just crazy
because I think that for certain procedures, if you're in
your twenties and you want to say, you know, maybe
have a tummy tug if you're done having kids, or
maybe if you want to like reduce your breast or
get a nose job. I mean, I'm not sure there's
that much difference in your twenties versus your thirties or forties.
But you know, historically facelifts have been reserved for people
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that are middle age or older, and so you know,
my my concern is is that people are getting these
procedures that they just don't need them. I mean, there's
a lot of other non surgical ways to tighten up
your skin or take care of your skin. And yeah,
I was just shocked to see that. I would never,
you know, ever be willing to do a facelift or
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necklift on somebody in their twenties.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's just way too early.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So let's talk about the cost. And again, I know
you're not saying that you advocate this procedure, but I'm
assuming a facelift for someone who is in their twenties.
And I realized this is a subjective determination. Some people
love the way they look and will always love the
way they look, and others don't like the way they
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look and will never like the way they look until
they do something this dramatic. What is involved in a
face lift in terms of the procedure, the recovery time,
the cost. Yeah, you us kind of like the a
face lift, not that we're trying to encourage people to
take to sure take this project good.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Yeah, And I think it's important to understand what's involved
with a facelift because then it becomes clear that young
people don't need these. So you know, there's basically in
a simplified explanation. Two parts to a face lift. You're
tightening the skin of the face in generally the neck,
but you're also tightening those deep structural components. So in
the neck that's the patisma muscle, and in the face
it's the smass, which is the fiber. Uh, the fiber
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the fibrotic system over the muscles. And so the reason
that face lifts are reserved more for people in older
age is because those deep structural components start to wear
out as the decades go by, and a young person
it would be almost unheard of for those things to
be structurally lax enough to warn a face lift. So
that procedure tightens up the deep structures, it tightens up
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the face. As far as the recovery, uh, you know,
you're looking at a solid two or three weeks of
being swore and then bruised enough that people are going
to know you have something done. Typically they're not overly painful,
but just the after effects the surgery make it known
that hey, I had a procedure. And as far as costs,
that varies widely. You know around where I live in
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the Dallas Metroplex. For facelift, you're probably looking at the
eight to ten thousand dollars range, but again that varies
by region and location, and you know, bigger cities they
cost more, smaller cities a little bit less. But one
of the other shocking things about this BBC story is
this lady actually went to Turkey to get her facelift
medical tourism, which I'm not for whatsoever that talk about
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this all the time in the media. It's it's pretty dangerous.
But she ended up getting six procedures at once. And
of course, you know, people do the medical tourism places
like Turkey because the cost is so much cheaper.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Why in a place like Turkey is that? Is that
because the government supports the medical community or to to
doctors in Turkey and other places. I know a lot
of people from the u US goes to go to
Mexico for you know, sometimes you know, very serious things
like cancer treatment. They feel that they hear about some
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doctor who's a miracle work or in those cases, it's
not the case these countries where where the cost is
so substantially different. Is that a question of the government
of that country supporting them, or is it just the
financial structure of a specific country.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Yeah, it's just the cost of doing business. I mean,
you know, it's a lot cheaper to you know, have
a surgical clinic and you know the third world country
that is the United States or the UK, which is
where a lot of the people that go to Turkey
come from. So yeah, it's just cheaper overall. Of course,
you know, there's not as much regulation, so there's always
the question of are these people properly trained? Is the facility,
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you know, properly licensed.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Not a lot of malpractice insurance payments either, I assume.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's the other big thing is like if
you go out of the country and have surgery and
you get completely botched, you have no recourse whatsoever. You
you know, you can't see somebody in the Dominican Republic
or Turkey like like you would be able to in
your own country. So yeah, we could talk for a
whole nother hour about medical tourism. But but yeah, this
this lady went to the Turkey and got this facelift,
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and you know, apparently she had a pretty rough recovery.
It said it took her I not think it was
like months and months until she felt like herself again.
And you know, they asked her would you do this again?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And she said probably not.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
But but I mean, I think the bottom line is that,
you know, getting a facelift in your twenties is just
out of bounds in my book. You know, even people
that come to me in their forties, I you know,
oftentimes will steer them to a non surgical therapy and
facelift is something you only want to have once, right.
You don't have a facelift that you know forty five
and then have to repeat it down the road. So yeah,
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I'm a little bit conservative in the plastic surgery world.
I think that you know, definitely, twenties is way too young,
thirties way too young, and even forties is pushing it
generally when people get into their fifties. I'm like, yeah, okay,
this is this is kind of a reasonable option.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
When you do a facelift procedure. And I don't know
that you do facelifts per safe, but I do. Yeah,
we do, Okay, So yeah, how long is the procedure?
Is the patient, as in typical surgery, knocked out or
is it sort of a procedure where the patient can
stay awake from part or all of these The procedure that's.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
A bit of a controversial question.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
They can be done awake.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I do not do them awake.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
To me, it's just safer with the patient asleep. You know,
you can get into issues where if you're doing them
under local anesthesia, that either can give someone too much
local anesthetic which can cause problems, or they just can't
tolerate it. And so, you know, as I've gotten older
and further in my career, you know, I take less
risk for sure, and so you know, the safest thing
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is to do this under general anesthesia. But that being said,
there are some very good surgeons that do these under
local all the time. But as far as the time,
it takes me about four hours to do a facelift.
That's just an average timeframe, and and that does include
the nec We almost always do necklift with facelift because
the incisions are the same, and typically if somebody needs
a facelift, typically they'll they'll need a necklift as well.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And while you're doing this procedure, all of us try
to visualize how many assistants you're you're the doctor, obviously,
sure how many nurses and other assistants are there with you?
I mean, this is this is this is not simple stuff.
It's complicated stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Sure.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah, So I do my surgeries in a fully licensed,
regulated surgery center. So with me, it's the anesthesiologist. Uh,
there's a circulating nurse which will get supplies like suture
instruments if we need something extra. And then there's a
scrub or a certified surgical assistant which you know hands
me the instruments and assistant surgery. So it's a it's
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a four person team, uh, in addition to the patient
being there.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, it's it's amazing medically what all all you don't
all of you folks professional medical professionals can do. And
thanks very much for being somewhat skeptical on this. I
know this is this. There is a trend amongst a
lot of young people who are going to try to
do things as early as they can. And sure, I
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think that the caution that you've articulated tonight needed to
be heard by people.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
To be honest with you, no, I agree.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I mean, you know it's unfortunately that you know, social
media is pushing this. I mean, on the one hand,
social media has been good because it makes information about
these procedures more available, but then on the other hand,
it almost pushes people to do things you know, that
they may not do, or push them to do it
ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So yeah, it's an.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Interesting world we live in. But anybody's thinking about these procedures.
You know, I encourage people if you're thinking about doing something,
do your research. You know, go have multiple consults and
you know, you go go see a doctor's can take
the time to talk to you about all the pros
and cons of it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
And it's tough. Also in the world where social media,
you know, holds up people like Giselle Bunchkin and Taylor
Swift as ideals, and young young women particularly look in
the mirror and they say, well, how do I get
to look better than Taylor Swift?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Yeah, it's unrealistic beauty standards, right, yeah, unrealistic standards. Yeah,
it's sad. I mean I feel bad for people, and
you know, I started to do my part to educate
people so people aren't making bad decisions about things.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Thank you so much, appreciate it, very very much, Doctor
Bruce Hermann, plastic surgeon. Thank you again, doctor.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
No, thank you, it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right back at you. We get back nine o'clock news.
We will be talking about the big contract to fix
the plazas out on the mass Turnpike and elsewhere. It
affects all of us, and right now it's not going
in a particularly good direction. I'll talk with John Chester
of the Globe, just a fabulous bysic reporter, and Eric Slifka,
(39:51):
who is the CEO of Global Partners back on Nights Side,
right after the nine
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