October 7, 2025 • 36 mins
We kick off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Project Smile & Suits For Smiles. What does this organization do in giving back to not only kids but men in need as they reenter the workforce. -Upcoming annual fundraiser, United in Fashion, on Friday, October 24, 2025, at the DoubleTree by Hilton Boston–Milford Guest: Catherine Pisacane - founder of Project Smile and Suits and Smiles
A pilot shortage threatens to derail air travel across the globe. This coupled with the ongoing gov’t shutdown affecting travel.
Guest: Patrick Arnzen - former airline pilot and CEO of Thrust Flight, a multi-location flight training organization
The history of criminal profiling. THE MONSTERS WE MAKE: Murder, Obsession, and the Rise of Criminal Profiling
Guest: Rachel Corbett – Author/writer – writes features for NY Magazine
Patriots win over the Buffalo Bills Sunday. What does that say about the Pats team moving ahead? Do you have hope for a good playoff run?
Guest: Chris Price – Boston Globe Sports reporter
Project Smile & Suits For Smiles. What does this organization do in giving back to not only kids but men in need as they reenter the workforce. -Upcoming annual fundraiser, United in Fashion, on Friday, October 24, 2025, at the DoubleTree by Hilton Boston–Milford Guest: Catherine Pisacane - founder of Project Smile and Suits and Smiles
A pilot shortage threatens to derail air travel across the globe. This coupled with the ongoing gov’t shutdown affecting travel.
Guest: Patrick Arnzen - former airline pilot and CEO of Thrust Flight, a multi-location flight training organization
The history of criminal profiling. THE MONSTERS WE MAKE: Murder, Obsession, and the Rise of Criminal Profiling
Guest: Rachel Corbett – Author/writer – writes features for NY Magazine
Patriots win over the Buffalo Bills Sunday. What does that say about the Pats team moving ahead? Do you have hope for a good playoff run?
Guest: Chris Price – Boston Globe Sports reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good evening, everybody, and welcome on into a Tuesday night
edition of Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. I'm the
host of this program. We are now in year number nineteen.
For those of you who are keeping score and keeping
track of such things. We have four interesting guests here
at the eight o'clock hour tonight. No phone calls during
the eight o'clock hour. We will get to topics later
(00:29):
on tonight. We certainly will talk about the two year
anniversary of that horrific attack by Hamas on innocent Israeli men, women,
and children two years ago this very day. At nine o'clock,
we're going to talk about the possibility of government run
grocery stores here in Boston, and Boston City councilor Council
(00:52):
of Liz Breeden will join us. But first hour, we
have four guests, as always, and the first one deals
with an upcoming fundraiser. It's called United in Fashion. It's
going to be at the Double Tree by Hilton out
in Milford, Massachusetts. I have been to that hotel. It's
very nice location, pretty easily accessible. With us is Catherine
(01:14):
Pisani Piscani. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. She is
the founder of Project Smile, which is what we're going
to talk about, and also Suits and Smiles, which I
guess is an offshoot of Project Smile. Catherine, Welcome to
night Side.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Thank you, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Was that close in the last name? I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, that's one of those good old Italian names that
nobody can pronounce them.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Pizza Connie, Pizza Khannie, Pisa Kannie. Oh, I can get
the Kannie at the end. Okay, Pisa Khannie. That's good,
like a piece of Khanie in something else. Pizza Khani. Okay,
that's good. So tell us what your organization is all about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, So I started Project Smile twenty years ago actually,
and original program we provide stuffed animals for social workers
and emergency responders to give to children who have been
involved in traumatic events as these the kids that are
in car accidents, domestic situations, you know, kids that are
(02:16):
going into foster care, sure, anything like that. Yeah, And
we donated over forty six thousand stuffed animals since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Do these have to be brand new stuffed animals or
do you accept them if they're in good condition, except.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, we take them either brand new or lightly used. Okay,
it was a great way for Yeah, so it's a
great way. You know, children have got extless stuffed animals
that only sit in a closet and you know, weren't
actually ever played with, you know, to give them a
new life and help bring a smile to a child
that needs it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's great. So we'll talk about that. But then now
you also have I don't know if you call it
a secondary cause or if it's just has grown out
of Project Smile. You have something called Suits and Smiles,
and that's a very interesting program. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, thank you. So I had wanted to expand Project
Smile over the years, you know, it's been a long
time doing the same sort of program. And I had
read about a nonprofit in New York City that provided
job interview clothing for low income men. And the article
I read it was just so inspiring because it was
like quotes from the men that had gotten clothing and
(03:31):
it was terrific. And so I kind of just in
research and I learned it that wasn't a program in
the Greater Boston area full time dedicated program providing job
interview clothing for men. There's Dress to Success, which does
an amazing word for women, but there isn't one for men.
And so I was thinking, Okay, why don't we start something,
and we started in January twenty twenty, and now we've
(03:55):
helped well over twelve hundred men with drop interview clothing.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So the clothing again has to be I assume it's
not brand new off the rack, but it has to
be in good condition. And also I guess there are
certain sizes that you particularly need.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly. So the majority of our clothing, our donations.
We do get some clothing that comes in literally the
tag still on it. You know, people you know, buy
clothing they never wear that's in the closet. And we've
had some you know, wonderful donations from clothing retailers that
have donated brand new clothing to us, but majority is
pre owned. Yeah, And everything has to be ready to wear,
(04:35):
so clean on hangers and ready to go so somebody
can come in and get what they need for a
job interview.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And you said, how many men have been able to
take advantage of this service? How many? Yeah? Men have
you set off to with job interviews looking like a
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, we've helped them over twelve hundred and eighty men
since it started in January twenty twenty. And obviously COVID,
you know, put a damper and things.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
A little bit. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest time in
the world to start, but you've I think you've made
up ground, that's for sure. Well, these only two great projects.
I know you're Are you located in Milford? I know
the big fundraiser which is coming up on Friday, October
twenty fourth, and I believe that's two fridays from this
upcoming Friday. It's the twenty fourth. We got the tenth
(05:29):
and the seventeenth and then the twenty fourth at the
Double Tree by Hilton Boston and Milford. I know it's
in Milford. Where are you folks located? Do people have
to bring? Do you ever do pickups? How they drop
off spots? How do we get people involved here? What's
the easiest way? Do they have to drive whatever they
have and you give a look at it and say,
oh that works or that doesn't work? Or are they
(05:51):
drop off locations? What? How do you make it easy
for people.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right. So, our program, our men's clothing program, suits and
smiles located in Jamaica Plane, so people do have to
drop off there or they can mail donations to us.
We actually get donations by mail every every week, which
is pretty amazing. I run projects male by myself, so
it's it's a lot for you know, to handle everything.
(06:17):
So you know, we're always looking for people they're interested
in volunteering their time, you know, helping at our location
in Jamaica Plane. For many years we've been based out
of Hopedale, which is right next to Milford, and so
that was why we've always had a local Milford event
as our big gala event every year.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So again, the drop off spot, I'm just trying to
make sure I'm clear, because if I'm clear, then my
audience might be clear. The drop off spot either for
lightly used loved stuffed animals for children of all varieties,
different sizes, is where.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So that would be most of the drop off right
now is in Jamaica Plane, or they can mail them
to us.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Okay, so how about if you give us let's let's
simplify this, Okay, why don't you give us a website
where people can get this information if they're so inclined.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, it's on project smile dot org.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Perfect. That's an easy website to remember, projectsmile dot org
and you'll have all the information there that is needed.
It sounds like two great causes. Stuffed animals for children
who have been found themselves in a difficult set of
circumstances through no fault of their own. And suits. I
assume you'll also take slacks and jackets or does it
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have to be a suit.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, but we take dress shirts, we take dress shoes,
we take dress pants and blazers. And we have a
very small space so it kind of rotates depending you
know what exactly we need at that point, because you know,
it's what we look after, the clothing and keep it
looked after.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And again the website Project smile dot pretty simple, right,
help me out here, Catherine, just just give me a
big that's right, because I don't want to leave any
good good, good good. I love your enthusiasm. Thank you,
Katherine Pizicani, Thank you very much. I think I got
(08:17):
kind of close to it that time. Thanks again, Congratulations
on the project and you're doing God's work. Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Thank you very much, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We come back when to talk about a pilot shortage, Yeah,
believe it or not, because of a number of factors.
Not only are there problems with air traffic controllers calling
in sick because of the government shutdown, but long term,
I mean ten, fifteen, twenty years out, there might not
be enough people trained to fly airplanes that will need
(08:46):
to be needed to transport people. This is a crazy story.
And we're going to talk about the former airline pilot
and CEO of thrust Flight, a multi location flight training organization,
named Patrick Arnsen. Right after this break here on night Side.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well to welcome Patrick Arnsen. He's a former airline pilot
and CEO of thrust Flight, of multilocation flight training organization,
Patrick rzarn r Zen. I believe, give me the correct pronunciation.
I have had a real run of tough last names,
so give it to me, right, Patrick, It.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Is a tough last name. There's not too many of us.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's Arnsen Arnsen. Okay, fair enough, Okay, now that I
hear it, it sounds fine. I'm looking at us at
people whose names like Smith, Jones, and Brown, but we
haven't apparently none of them are available. So there's a
big pilot shortage looming. Today in the news, we're talking
about air traffic controllers all of a sudden, a little
bit of blue flu coming in. I guess they had
(09:51):
to shut down some of the ATC sites yesterday around
the country, or at least shut them down for a
little while. This is a long, good term problem of
pilot shortage. Uh what are the factors that are creating
that situation?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
You know, I think it really is the perfect storm
over the last call it twenty five years that that
have really created this this issue. And it's really a
result of an evolving ecostructure within aviation. You know, out
after the you know, Vietnam War, there were a ton
(10:30):
of pilots that you know, that were military aviators that
moved on to the airlines. I mean, most of those pilots,
you know, have long since since retired, and you know,
the military trained a lot of folks over the years,
and and most of those folks moved on to you know,
to the airlines. But and that's just one of many factors.
(10:52):
But you know, we're we're not seeing many folks one
trained by the military now, and we're not seeing many
of those folks move to the airlines. So I think
the figure right now is something like five to seven
percent of the airlines are made up of for firmer
excuse me, former military aviators. So so that's one factor,
(11:15):
and I think the other factor is, you know, it's
an expensive, expensive career to pursue right now, it's upwards
of about one hundred thousand dollars to get all the
required training to become a pilot. So you know, that's
a that's a tall order for a lot of folks.
But you know, I think when you look at the
return on investment compared to the traditional for your brick
(11:37):
and motor school, it certainly is a really good return
on investment. And I think other factors, you know, playing
to this as well. When I was an airline pilot,
you know, back you know, fifteen twenty years ago, I
think my first year I made seventeen thousand dollars. A
year after, you know, spending a lot of money on
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flight training and things like that, and you know, it
wasn't as attractive as it is today.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So what what does a major airline pilot. You know,
for any of the majors make this fly in the
seven twenty sevens or whatever, what's the rough salary range,
Maybe there are people who are interested in pursuing such
a career.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, so you know, a senior major airline captain is
generally making upward to four five D dollars a year,
sometimes more than that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Wow. Wow, that's that's pretty good, pretty good payday. Of course,
with the military, folks, you can get trained in the
military and and that doesn't cost you anything other than
whatever your commitment is of service to the military and
beyond the mandatory retirement ages of different airlines. Is that
(12:45):
contributing to the problem. My understanding is that you got
to step out of the cockpit at I think sixty
five years of age. And there's a lot of guys
these days who is sixty five years and they're at
the top of their game.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And the and and that's the case, and and.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
They've uys absolutely absolutely sure, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, absolutely, you know we've and we saw that retirement
age go go up a couple of years ago from
sixty two to sixty five. But you know that was
really just a band aid, and it really just kicked
the can down the road.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
The airline pilot shortage is still very much a much
a thing. You know that that if you look at
the Boeing report, it says we need I don't know,
twenty one twenty two thousand airline transport pilots a year
to satisfy the need in order to you know, to
to really make sure that we have enough pilots out there.
(13:46):
And the hard truth is we're only making eleven thousand
pilots a year. So with all the folks that are
retiring and all the folks you know, are all the
the airlines that are flying flying more and more, there
simply just aren't enough pilot. It's in the right and
the left seat of the major airlines and regional airlines
to you know, to satisfy it. And it's a blooming
(14:07):
problem that's gonna you know, it looks like over the
next twenty years we're gonna have a major shortage.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, what about is it possible that with the pilots
that now fly for FedEx, so many people are buying
things now online the mortar the brick and mortar stores
are closing up or shrinking and everybody's buying everything online,
and I'm sure that in the overnight you got a
(14:35):
lot of FedEx pilots who would prefer to not deal
with the public and they could just fly.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You know, goods are goods around the country for Amazon
or whatever. Is that a little bit of a factor
in this problem as well?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, I think that's certainly contributing. You know, I
can't remember the last time I went to a store.
You know, you get an Amazon delivery. It seems like
every day on my porch. So I absolutely think that's contributing.
And you know, we're in global economy where we get
a lot of you know, a lot of products from
all over the world. So that's that's absolutely a contributing factor.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, so what about the track that I know some
young people can take, and that is you take some
flying lessons at a dirt runway airport, you know, somewhere
in the middle of nowhere, and you learn how to
fly and you go up through the ranks that way.
Do you really have to spend one hundred K or
(15:29):
are you able to kind of learn as an apprentice
to become an airline pilot or those days gone?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know, I don't know, honestly, if those days ever
really existed. I mean, I think you can certainly get
it done, get it, get it done cheaper than one
hundred thousand dollars, But what's your time worth? And that's
one thing that you know. I think everybody that's interested
in pursuing an aviation career really needs to evaluate for
themselves a program like ours, and there's a lot of
(16:00):
flight schools that do what we do. You can get
your training in ten to twelve months, so it's a
ten to twelve month commitment of time. You spend about
a year building your flight time in order to move
on to the airlines. Generally that's done by being a
flight instructor and teaching other people, and then you're off
to one hundred thousand dollars year job.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Can it be done cheaper? Absolutely, you could probably do
it for seventy thousand dollars, but it's going to take
you three to four years.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Got five years, fix years. I get. It's the difference
between going getting a graduate degree or getting a college
degree either in the you know, three or four years.
Three years you need for a graduate degree, four years
for another graduate degree or going nights and working and
and all of that. So how can folks get in
touch with thrust Flight? You guys are located? Where are
you in one location? Are you around the country?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
No, we have three locations in Texas and we also
have a location in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Yeah, southwest, yes, yes, right,
good good good weather areas.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah. Would you guys learn how to fly in those storms?
Tell me only joking, just joking. So how can they
get in touch with you? If they're so refined?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
They can find us at www dot thrust flight dot.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Com, thrustflight dot com. Remember this, if you've ever remembered
anything from this interview, you don't have to do that
www thing anyway flight dot com. Yeah, well, I'm older
than you are. I suspect, okay, I'm a baby boomer,
so I suspect you're not a baby boomer. But anyway, Patrick,
(17:33):
thank you very much, Patrick Arnson, Patrick Arnsen, former airline
pilot CEO of thrust Flight, Thanks for keeping everybody safe
while you are flying. My friend, that's a big responsibility
airline pilots. Half thank you, sir. Okay, he's left. Rob
tells me that's okay, he's gone off to another interview.
Maybe when we get back we'll have another interview. You're
going to talk about with an author named Rachel Corbett,
(17:55):
the History of criminal profiling, The Monsters We Make, Murder,
Obsession and the Rise of Criminal Profiling. Right after the
News at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Z
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Who want to welcome Rachel Corbett. She's an author writer.
She writes features for several well known magazines, particularly New
York Magazine. Rachel Corbett, Welcome to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I'm good, Thanks, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You've just written a book, The Monsters We Make, Murder,
Obsession and the Rise of Criminal Profiling. I've read some
of the reviews. I haven't read the book, but my
understanding is that you sort of give us a history
of when criminal profiling began. It sounds to me like
we're going back to the days of Jack the Ripper
in London for the beginnings of criminal profiling, and was
(18:47):
it even beyond before that?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah, that's the There was a forensic surgeon in London
called Thomas Bond, and he wrote what is commonly considered
today the first criminal profile. He was looking at the
Jack Ripper murders, and he typically just looked at forensic evidence,
physical evidence, But then he had the idea to think
(19:12):
about Jack's behavior. What kind of man was this? What
would he be wearing to, you know, to be able
to carry these murders out. Maybe he'd be wearing a
cloak that would hide blood, you know, and and he'd
probably be someone who was very cool and calm and
collected in order to be doing this on the streets.
So that's really the first known one. I'm sure there
(19:32):
are there are analogy throughout history.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Did they by the way, did they ever catch Jack
the Ripper? That's I certainly am familiar with the stories
and all of that, and had was it London that
he had? In quite an uproar? Was he ever caught
or did did? Did? Are they? Certainly they caught the
right person?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
So this is hotly contested, but there is a there
is a growing consensus that the killer was a man
named Aaron Kosminski who the police never named, but they
did catch and they institutionalized him. He was insane.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No relation to Ted Kazinski, kind of a similar name here.
The unibom so Uh, okay. So I know that when
we talk about criminal profiling, there are always going to
be some people who are going to say, well, that
can be kind of dangerous. The profiling is kind of
a bad word. We shouldn't profile people upon their looks
(20:28):
or upon you know, their their immutable characteristics. But you're
really talking when you're talking about criminal profiling, You're talking
about something more than immutable characteristics. You're talking about behavior pattern.
Time of the crime is it? Is it always at night?
Is it always in the morning? Give us what is what?
What is criminal profiling today? We'll skip over Kazinsky and
(20:51):
those people will come to today so that people will
have to read your book to learn how it evolved.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, so it's step lead some I
think you're from to racial profiling, which is a different
situation today. You know, criminal profiling is, but that could
commit that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Could come into it. If if let us say, there
is someone who is you know, six foot five white dude,
uh and and and he's the person who they suspect
ultimately will be caught. You're going to report that. If
if that, if you feel pretty confident if, on the
other hand, it's a five foot two black guy. You're
(21:29):
not going to be pulling that guy off the street
and say, well it kind of looked like he was
six' five and the lighting wasn't. Great so they can
be racial in, size you, know so called immutable characteristics
can be part of. It but really what we're talking
about pattern of.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Behavior, yeah it's what kind of victims do they?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Choose what is the what is their?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Motivation is there some kind of gratification they're getting out of?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It is it does it.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Seem to be a statistic.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Pleasure or is it about?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Power is it about you, know as opposed to say
killers who just murder for money or out of, jealousy
the more kind of impulsive. Types so they look for
what they call it BEHAVIORAL dna at the crime.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Scenes, okay so of all the killers who we have
become familiar, with what's a son Of sam In New
york Or Ted bundy or. Whatever which of the of
those killers relatively well? Known do you think we're accurately
(22:27):
profiled criminally and may have led to or if it
didn't lead, to at least we had an accurate profile
on their behavior the. Characteristics are we doing pretty well
with this process or it's it's not a junk, science
but it's not quite you, know science.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Science, yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Exactly in my RESEARCH i found that more often than,
not the profiles are not that. Accurate we you, know
sometimes they're they're one tool you can use them and you,
know maybe narrow down or if you're looking For Ted,
kaczynski there's a needle in a haystack there and they
knew nothing about, him so the profile might guide a
first place to. Look but, actually historically they're not very.
(23:09):
ACCURATE i think ones that he found that In london
only about two point seven percent of profiles led to
the capture of a. Suspect so they're more of an
art than a, SCIENCE i think is a consensus.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Today, well With, kazinski he's living up in his shack In.
Montana this is a guy graduated From harvard and obviously
was in evil mind and he was sending mom you,
know explosive packages through the, mail and for a long
time they thought perhaps that it might have been his former.
Professors it turned OUT i believe that it was the
(23:46):
name of people who were on the cutting edge of
technical and scientific, breakthroughs because that was what bothered him
and the only way that he could get that information
was there was a subscrip ription at the library in
the town In montana that he lived to that he
lived in this little, shack and he goes to take
(24:07):
his bike down to the library read The New York,
times and if he found someone who was involved in
some sort of technical advancement that he didn't agree with that,
person then the chances of them receiving a love letter
From Ted kaczinski in the form of explosive package rose.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Significantly, yeah, exactly that's. Right he targeted psychology, professors scientists,
also you know the CEOs of, airlines because he was
so angry that out in his cabin when an airplane
was fly overhead and disturbed his. Peace one THING i
talk about in the book is That Ted kozinski was
(24:48):
subject to pretty cruel experimentation while he was an undergraduate
At harvard and by one of the psychology professors, there
and it may have had something to do with his
targeting of psychologists and. Scientists.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
YEAH i hate to give a guy like him any
credit because he some of his bombs. Killed i'm serious
WHEN i say, THAT i mean we, all any of
us who went through anything in, life can look back and,
say you, know that was a really tough baseball. COACH i.
Had the guy yelled at me WHEN i WHEN i
gave up that home run. Ball you, know it really
shook me. Up, NO i think that's kind of a cop. Out.
Now that guy was there and the only reason they
(25:24):
caught him was The Washington post agreed to publish his
memorandum or his, mandate and his brother recognized the writing
of his, brother and the brother turned him. In, yeah
if The Washington post had not published his, MANIFESTO i
(25:46):
think was how he characterized. IT i guess he could
still be living up there In montana. TODAY i don't.
Know it's. Interesting so the book has just come out
or is coming out, Right The monsters We, make murder
obsession and the rise of criminal, profiling AND i think
it's going to be an interesting. Read thank you so
Much rachel for joining. Us it's a topic we could
(26:06):
talk about a lot, longer that's for. SURE i appreciate
your time.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Tonight, definitely thank you so.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Much pleasure talking to.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
You very, Welcome. Rachel have a great. Night we came
back when we talk about a happy. Topic if you're
A New England, patriots fan The patriots big. Win they're
upset on the road In buffalo On sunday. Night we're
going to talk With Chris, Price Boston Globe sports. Reporter
chris has been on with us. Before he knows his
stuff to try to answer the questions about what does
this say about The patriots moving? On you know as
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it you, know they probably don't have the toughest schedule
remaining of any. Team But i'll be interested If Chris
price projects him for a ten win season or maybe
a little. More at this, Point Chris, Price Boston Globe sports,
reporter talking about The patriots coming back on Night.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Side Night side With Dan. Ray i'm telling you this news, Radio,
well a.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Couple of nights, Ago sunday, night most of us were
tuned Into Sunday night, football and not too many of
us thought The patriots were going to outright. Win we
were hoping that they would keep it. Close they did
more than keep it close with. Us As Chris, Price
Boston Globe sports Reporter Chris truth serum, time what sort
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of a chance did you think The patriots had On
sunday night to win that? Game before the, KICKOFF i.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Thought they're chances of winning that. Game let's just call them.
Minimal the biting LINE i think was eight and a. Half,
yes that we have to make picks for the, paper
AND i, said The bills aren't going to. Cover The
patriots are going to keep it. Competitive but the talent
gap between the two is just so overwhelming that The
patriots won't be able to keep up down the. Stretch
they'll turn the ball, over they'll do something and, bustle
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the will take. Advantage well shows WHAT i, know because
The patriots made the plays when they needed to make
them second, half going into the fourth, quarter d May
Stefon diggs and the Kicker andy Barg gallas connects for
what turned out to be the game winner with fifteen seconds,
left a fifty two yard field. Goal just a great
performance all around for this. Team and they went back
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to back games for the first TIME i think in
two plus. Years so they're headed in the right. Direction
let's see if they can sustain success from moving. Forward
but it was a great, ballgames so the head Into New.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Orleans New orleans actually had kind of a lucky win last.
Weekend there were some weird games last. Weekend That Arizona
tennessee game ended. Weird this is the second week in
a row that AN nfl receiver has dropped the, football you,
know a long touchdown pass on the one yard. Line
what are these guys, Thinking, chris we will get to The.
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Patriots but my, god what mistakes have been? MADE i,
mean coaches much go.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Crazy i'm assuming, yeah, YEAH i will say this in
THIS discannt kind of lead us back to The patriots
if you, Want but, Yeah Mike rabel's first and most
important football commandment was something that he told us when
he was first hired In. January he, said we just
want to be good enough to take advantage of bad.
Football and that's bad. Football dropping the, ball you, know
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before you cross the goal. Line they're in those. Situations
that's bad. Football AND i think each one of those
teams ended up paying for it in they did one
of those. Instances so, yeah it. Was it. Was it's
been a weird couple of weeks as teams get used
to some of the rules changes around the kickoff and
you know with these, again with these you, know giveaways
on the goal, line there's been some weird plays and
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SO i Think New england is one of those teams
that's kind of been able to take. Advantage not, consistently
but for the most, Part newing has been able to
do a good job taking advantage of bad football so. Far,
again we'll see if that holds. True moved.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Forward, yeah they also When stevenson had that fumble early
in the game that could have turned the game around
if it had been. Recovered it was deep in The
patriots territory that that could turn the game around as.
WELL i thought came to a different. Level i've Watched
may AND i think he's a good. Quarterback but if
he can continue to have games like, THAT i hate
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to say, this but he's gonna make people forget About Tom.
BRADY i, MEAN i mean he threw some, passes particularly
some of those rollouts to the right on a, dime
on a, dime and he got him into small. ZONES i,
mean it wasn't like the guy was opened by five
yards or ten. Yards he had some amazing. Passes you've
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followed it a lot more THAN i. Have has he
ever looked that sharp to, you even in a?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Practice, No, Dan i'll tell you this WHEN i am
old and, gray or if When i'm older and grayer
THAN i am. Now i'll put it that. Way we're
going to look back on that game as the game
where it all started For Drake may because you, know,
really for the first time in his, career he was
able to lift a team down the stretch and come
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away with a. Victory we see flashes from him over
the course of the last. Year so you remember the,
game the wild ending to the game In tennessee last
year where he threw the pass and forced over to
no time, left and he's over. Time we've seen things
like that from him. Before but to be able to
sustain success over the course of an entire game like,
that to have only one incomplete pass in the second
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half when the game was on the, line to be
able to establish a connection like that with so many
important offensive options Like Hunter henry and of course capacity
made The Steph diggs rolling out to his. Right i'll
tell you, This. Dan one of the things that it's
really Interesting i'm thinking about writing about this this. Week
he is so, good he is so, accurate and he
is so confident when it comes to rolling out to his.
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Right that's something That josh McDaniels has really been able
to kind of lean. Into and we saw those Results
sunday and ed against The.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
BILLS i could not understand As i'm watching the game
Why buffalo didn't, have you, know somebody basically move on
every play to the left to contain. HIM i mean
it was, Like, yeah what was the defensive is fansio
of the defensive coordinator For.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Buffalo, No, no They've they've had a few switches over
the last couple of, years but but they've always Been
i'll see, This, Dan they've always been pretty. Stout you,
know it's been very competitive and to be able to
use that one of the things that The patriots and
in this K i don't want to kind of get
too deep in the weeds, here but one of the
things The patriots were able to do On sunday, night
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they were able to use, misdirection play, action play, fakes
bootlegs and to kind of get him on the. Run
And drake may really for, Me dan is at his
best when he's on the, run when they use that.
Athleticism the other thing that we've seen him kind of
go from here to here when it comes to this.
Year last year he was running into injury a. Lot
he didn't always know when really the journey was over.
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Number he took some bad. Shots last, year he was
knocked out of. Games this, year he's, sliding he's getting
out of, Bounds he's much smarter when it comes to
that pocket awareness Into he's really doing a good job protecting.
Himself SO i Think Bin lard topeningly answer your. Question
buffalo's been really good at defending good quarterbacks like that
over the last couple of. Years but what The patriots
did was really excellent when it came to play, calling
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using misdirection and that sort of.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Stuff, well the guy Who i've always thought was that
the key To buffalo for the last five or six
years has Been, milana the guy that played AT. Bc
he was a non factor On Sunday.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Night he really.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
WAS i don't know what they did to. Him And
may did take one hit to the head on one
of those right at midfield and The buffalo got penalized for.
It but WHEN i looked at, THAT i, said, ooh
that's that's a nasty. Hit and of course they lose
the number Four, gibson so he's out for the. Season
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that big that's going to be a, PROBLEM i.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Assume, yeah it really. Will when you consider your reference
From Andre stevenson before with the ball security. Issues, yeah
it's going to be interesting to see how The patriots
kind of handle the running back little looking, forward because
the thought process was That welson For mandre is, having you,
know these fumbling, issues they're going to sit him down
and we're gonna see more From Angela gibson and the
Rookie Trevion. Henderson, well now they're GONNA i think they're
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gonna end up Playing remandre by default really had a
lot of. Ways Will henderson is still going to be
a part of the conversation. Here it's gonna Be remandre's
show going. Forward the interesting thing, here the trade deadline
is coming up in about a month or, So so
my guess is they can try and figure out a
way to kind of pieces, together maybe bring a guy
up off the Practice Squadurell jennings kind of add another
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layer of. Depth but they might be in the market
for a running back between now in the trade Deadline. November,
yeah if.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
The eagles want to give Up, BARKLEY i think that
would be a nice holy, Kidding oh only. Kidding, okay
here's The i'm gonna put you on the. Spot, okay
most people would thinking The patriots might get five or
six wins this. Year what's this. Ceiling i'm not going
to ask you how many they're gonna. Win what's their
ceiling in your?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Opinion, well when you look at the next six, Games,
dan they have the next six game, games the record
of their opponents is a combined nine and. Twenty the
next three games are against teams that have won one
game all. Year so this. Team the ceiling on this,
team AND i wrote this the other day at the
expectation level for this team is really increased over the
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last couple of weeks with back to back. Wins SO
i think in my mind they've gone FROM i predicted
seven wins at the start of the, year and so
now you can see a situation where you know they
could they could win eight or nine and they could
be in that playoff conversation Come november And. December because
the schedule is so weak for the next six.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Weeks put me down for. ELEVEN i think it's an eleven,
SIX K i DO i? Do? Right i'm telling. YOU
i MEAN i think That miami's in trouble With Tyreek
hill gone for the. YEAR i think that things are
kind of going to break their. Way we'll talk about it, Again. Chris,
okay But i'm down for. Eleven all, Right thanks, man.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Here you here. You we'll circle back around on that In.
December how about?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That you bet you all? Before Thanks, chris talking to you,
soon all. Right we get back WHEN i talk with
The Boston City council Of Liz breeden about the idea
of government run grocery. Stores we'll get some. QUESTIONS i hope. That.
Well we'll see What council Of breeden has to. SAY
i have some, INTERESTING i think interesting. Questions we'll find
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out back after The nune
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good evening, everybody, and welcome on into a Tuesday night
edition of Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. I'm the
host of this program. We are now in year number nineteen.
For those of you who are keeping score and keeping
track of such things. We have four interesting guests here
at the eight o'clock hour tonight. No phone calls during
the eight o'clock hour. We will get to topics later
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on tonight. We certainly will talk about the two year
anniversary of that horrific attack by Hamas on innocent Israeli men, women,
and children two years ago this very day. At nine o'clock,
we're going to talk about the possibility of government run
grocery stores here in Boston, and Boston City councilor Council
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of Liz Breeden will join us. But first hour, we
have four guests, as always, and the first one deals
with an upcoming fundraiser. It's called United in Fashion. It's
going to be at the Double Tree by Hilton out
in Milford, Massachusetts. I have been to that hotel. It's
very nice location, pretty easily accessible. With us is Catherine
(01:14):
Pisani Piscani. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. She is
the founder of Project Smile, which is what we're going
to talk about, and also Suits and Smiles, which I
guess is an offshoot of Project Smile. Catherine, Welcome to
night Side.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Thank you, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Was that close in the last name? I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, that's one of those good old Italian names that
nobody can pronounce them.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Pizza Connie, Pizza Khannie, Pisa Kannie. Oh, I can get
the Kannie at the end. Okay, Pisa Khannie. That's good,
like a piece of Khanie in something else. Pizza Khani. Okay,
that's good. So tell us what your organization is all about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, So I started Project Smile twenty years ago actually,
and original program we provide stuffed animals for social workers
and emergency responders to give to children who have been
involved in traumatic events as these the kids that are
in car accidents, domestic situations, you know, kids that are
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going into foster care, sure, anything like that. Yeah, And
we donated over forty six thousand stuffed animals since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Do these have to be brand new stuffed animals or
do you accept them if they're in good condition, except.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, we take them either brand new or lightly used. Okay,
it was a great way for Yeah, so it's a
great way. You know, children have got extless stuffed animals
that only sit in a closet and you know, weren't
actually ever played with, you know, to give them a
new life and help bring a smile to a child
that needs it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's great. So we'll talk about that. But then now
you also have I don't know if you call it
a secondary cause or if it's just has grown out
of Project Smile. You have something called Suits and Smiles,
and that's a very interesting program. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, thank you. So I had wanted to expand Project
Smile over the years, you know, it's been a long
time doing the same sort of program. And I had
read about a nonprofit in New York City that provided
job interview clothing for low income men. And the article
I read it was just so inspiring because it was
like quotes from the men that had gotten clothing and
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it was terrific. And so I kind of just in
research and I learned it that wasn't a program in
the Greater Boston area full time dedicated program providing job
interview clothing for men. There's Dress to Success, which does
an amazing word for women, but there isn't one for men.
And so I was thinking, Okay, why don't we start something,
and we started in January twenty twenty, and now we've
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helped well over twelve hundred men with drop interview clothing.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So the clothing again has to be I assume it's
not brand new off the rack, but it has to
be in good condition. And also I guess there are
certain sizes that you particularly need.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly. So the majority of our clothing, our donations.
We do get some clothing that comes in literally the
tag still on it. You know, people you know, buy
clothing they never wear that's in the closet. And we've
had some you know, wonderful donations from clothing retailers that
have donated brand new clothing to us, but majority is
pre owned. Yeah, And everything has to be ready to wear,
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so clean on hangers and ready to go so somebody
can come in and get what they need for a
job interview.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And you said, how many men have been able to
take advantage of this service? How many? Yeah? Men have
you set off to with job interviews looking like a
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, we've helped them over twelve hundred and eighty men
since it started in January twenty twenty. And obviously COVID,
you know, put a damper and things.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
A little bit. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest time in
the world to start, but you've I think you've made
up ground, that's for sure. Well, these only two great projects.
I know you're Are you located in Milford? I know
the big fundraiser which is coming up on Friday, October
twenty fourth, and I believe that's two fridays from this
upcoming Friday. It's the twenty fourth. We got the tenth
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and the seventeenth and then the twenty fourth at the
Double Tree by Hilton Boston and Milford. I know it's
in Milford. Where are you folks located? Do people have
to bring? Do you ever do pickups? How they drop
off spots? How do we get people involved here? What's
the easiest way? Do they have to drive whatever they
have and you give a look at it and say,
oh that works or that doesn't work? Or are they
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drop off locations? What? How do you make it easy
for people.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right. So, our program, our men's clothing program, suits and
smiles located in Jamaica Plane, so people do have to
drop off there or they can mail donations to us.
We actually get donations by mail every every week, which
is pretty amazing. I run projects male by myself, so
it's it's a lot for you know, to handle everything.
(06:17):
So you know, we're always looking for people they're interested
in volunteering their time, you know, helping at our location
in Jamaica Plane. For many years we've been based out
of Hopedale, which is right next to Milford, and so
that was why we've always had a local Milford event
as our big gala event every year.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So again, the drop off spot, I'm just trying to
make sure I'm clear, because if I'm clear, then my
audience might be clear. The drop off spot either for
lightly used loved stuffed animals for children of all varieties,
different sizes, is where.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So that would be most of the drop off right
now is in Jamaica Plane, or they can mail them
to us.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Okay, so how about if you give us let's let's
simplify this, Okay, why don't you give us a website
where people can get this information if they're so inclined.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, it's on project smile dot org.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Perfect. That's an easy website to remember, projectsmile dot org
and you'll have all the information there that is needed.
It sounds like two great causes. Stuffed animals for children
who have been found themselves in a difficult set of
circumstances through no fault of their own. And suits. I
assume you'll also take slacks and jackets or does it
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have to be a suit.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, but we take dress shirts, we take dress shoes,
we take dress pants and blazers. And we have a
very small space so it kind of rotates depending you
know what exactly we need at that point, because you know,
it's what we look after, the clothing and keep it
looked after.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And again the website Project smile dot pretty simple, right,
help me out here, Catherine, just just give me a
big that's right, because I don't want to leave any
good good, good good. I love your enthusiasm. Thank you,
Katherine Pizicani, Thank you very much. I think I got
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kind of close to it that time. Thanks again, Congratulations
on the project and you're doing God's work. Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Thank you very much, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We come back when to talk about a pilot shortage, Yeah,
believe it or not, because of a number of factors.
Not only are there problems with air traffic controllers calling
in sick because of the government shutdown, but long term,
I mean ten, fifteen, twenty years out, there might not
be enough people trained to fly airplanes that will need
(08:46):
to be needed to transport people. This is a crazy story.
And we're going to talk about the former airline pilot
and CEO of thrust Flight, a multi location flight training organization,
named Patrick Arnsen. Right after this break here on night Side.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well to welcome Patrick Arnsen. He's a former airline pilot
and CEO of thrust Flight, of multilocation flight training organization,
Patrick rzarn r Zen. I believe, give me the correct pronunciation.
I have had a real run of tough last names,
so give it to me, right, Patrick, It.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Is a tough last name. There's not too many of us.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's Arnsen Arnsen. Okay, fair enough, Okay, now that I
hear it, it sounds fine. I'm looking at us at
people whose names like Smith, Jones, and Brown, but we
haven't apparently none of them are available. So there's a
big pilot shortage looming. Today in the news, we're talking
about air traffic controllers all of a sudden, a little
bit of blue flu coming in. I guess they had
(09:51):
to shut down some of the ATC sites yesterday around
the country, or at least shut them down for a
little while. This is a long, good term problem of
pilot shortage. Uh what are the factors that are creating
that situation?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
You know, I think it really is the perfect storm
over the last call it twenty five years that that
have really created this this issue. And it's really a
result of an evolving ecostructure within aviation. You know, out
after the you know, Vietnam War, there were a ton
(10:30):
of pilots that you know, that were military aviators that
moved on to the airlines. I mean, most of those pilots,
you know, have long since since retired, and you know,
the military trained a lot of folks over the years,
and and most of those folks moved on to you know,
to the airlines. But and that's just one of many factors.
(10:52):
But you know, we're we're not seeing many folks one
trained by the military now, and we're not seeing many
of those folks move to the airlines. So I think
the figure right now is something like five to seven
percent of the airlines are made up of for firmer
excuse me, former military aviators. So so that's one factor,
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and I think the other factor is, you know, it's
an expensive, expensive career to pursue right now, it's upwards
of about one hundred thousand dollars to get all the
required training to become a pilot. So you know, that's
a that's a tall order for a lot of folks.
But you know, I think when you look at the
return on investment compared to the traditional for your brick
(11:37):
and motor school, it certainly is a really good return
on investment. And I think other factors, you know, playing
to this as well. When I was an airline pilot,
you know, back you know, fifteen twenty years ago, I
think my first year I made seventeen thousand dollars. A
year after, you know, spending a lot of money on
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flight training and things like that, and you know, it
wasn't as attractive as it is today.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So what what does a major airline pilot. You know,
for any of the majors make this fly in the
seven twenty sevens or whatever, what's the rough salary range,
Maybe there are people who are interested in pursuing such
a career.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, so you know, a senior major airline captain is
generally making upward to four five D dollars a year,
sometimes more than that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Wow. Wow, that's that's pretty good, pretty good payday. Of course,
with the military, folks, you can get trained in the
military and and that doesn't cost you anything other than
whatever your commitment is of service to the military and
beyond the mandatory retirement ages of different airlines. Is that
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contributing to the problem. My understanding is that you got
to step out of the cockpit at I think sixty
five years of age. And there's a lot of guys
these days who is sixty five years and they're at
the top of their game.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And the and and that's the case, and and.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
They've uys absolutely absolutely sure, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, absolutely, you know we've and we saw that retirement
age go go up a couple of years ago from
sixty two to sixty five. But you know that was
really just a band aid, and it really just kicked
the can down the road.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
The airline pilot shortage is still very much a much
a thing. You know that that if you look at
the Boeing report, it says we need I don't know,
twenty one twenty two thousand airline transport pilots a year
to satisfy the need in order to you know, to
to really make sure that we have enough pilots out there.
(13:46):
And the hard truth is we're only making eleven thousand
pilots a year. So with all the folks that are
retiring and all the folks you know, are all the
the airlines that are flying flying more and more, there
simply just aren't enough pilot. It's in the right and
the left seat of the major airlines and regional airlines
to you know, to satisfy it. And it's a blooming
(14:07):
problem that's gonna you know, it looks like over the
next twenty years we're gonna have a major shortage.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay, what about is it possible that with the pilots
that now fly for FedEx, so many people are buying
things now online the mortar the brick and mortar stores
are closing up or shrinking and everybody's buying everything online,
and I'm sure that in the overnight you got a
(14:35):
lot of FedEx pilots who would prefer to not deal
with the public and they could just fly.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You know, goods are goods around the country for Amazon
or whatever. Is that a little bit of a factor
in this problem as well?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I mean, I think that's certainly contributing. You know, I
can't remember the last time I went to a store.
You know, you get an Amazon delivery. It seems like
every day on my porch. So I absolutely think that's contributing.
And you know, we're in global economy where we get
a lot of you know, a lot of products from
all over the world. So that's that's absolutely a contributing factor.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, so what about the track that I know some
young people can take, and that is you take some
flying lessons at a dirt runway airport, you know, somewhere
in the middle of nowhere, and you learn how to
fly and you go up through the ranks that way.
Do you really have to spend one hundred K or
(15:29):
are you able to kind of learn as an apprentice
to become an airline pilot or those days gone?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know, I don't know, honestly, if those days ever
really existed. I mean, I think you can certainly get
it done, get it, get it done cheaper than one
hundred thousand dollars, But what's your time worth? And that's
one thing that you know. I think everybody that's interested
in pursuing an aviation career really needs to evaluate for
themselves a program like ours, and there's a lot of
(16:00):
flight schools that do what we do. You can get
your training in ten to twelve months, so it's a
ten to twelve month commitment of time. You spend about
a year building your flight time in order to move
on to the airlines. Generally that's done by being a
flight instructor and teaching other people, and then you're off
to one hundred thousand dollars year job.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Can it be done cheaper? Absolutely, you could probably do
it for seventy thousand dollars, but it's going to take
you three to four years.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Got five years, fix years. I get. It's the difference
between going getting a graduate degree or getting a college
degree either in the you know, three or four years.
Three years you need for a graduate degree, four years
for another graduate degree or going nights and working and
and all of that. So how can folks get in
touch with thrust Flight? You guys are located? Where are
you in one location? Are you around the country?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
No, we have three locations in Texas and we also
have a location in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Yeah, southwest, yes, yes, right,
good good good weather areas.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah. Would you guys learn how to fly in those storms?
Tell me only joking, just joking. So how can they
get in touch with you? If they're so refined?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
They can find us at www dot thrust flight dot.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Com, thrustflight dot com. Remember this, if you've ever remembered
anything from this interview, you don't have to do that
www thing anyway flight dot com. Yeah, well, I'm older
than you are. I suspect, okay, I'm a baby boomer,
so I suspect you're not a baby boomer. But anyway, Patrick,
(17:33):
thank you very much, Patrick Arnson, Patrick Arnsen, former airline
pilot CEO of thrust Flight, Thanks for keeping everybody safe
while you are flying. My friend, that's a big responsibility
airline pilots. Half thank you, sir. Okay, he's left. Rob
tells me that's okay, he's gone off to another interview.
Maybe when we get back we'll have another interview. You're
going to talk about with an author named Rachel Corbett,
(17:55):
the History of criminal profiling, The Monsters We Make, Murder,
Obsession and the Rise of Criminal Profiling. Right after the
News at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Z
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Who want to welcome Rachel Corbett. She's an author writer.
She writes features for several well known magazines, particularly New
York Magazine. Rachel Corbett, Welcome to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I'm good, Thanks, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You've just written a book, The Monsters We Make, Murder,
Obsession and the Rise of Criminal Profiling. I've read some
of the reviews. I haven't read the book, but my
understanding is that you sort of give us a history
of when criminal profiling began. It sounds to me like
we're going back to the days of Jack the Ripper
in London for the beginnings of criminal profiling, and was
(18:47):
it even beyond before that?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah, that's the There was a forensic surgeon in London
called Thomas Bond, and he wrote what is commonly considered
today the first criminal profile. He was looking at the
Jack Ripper murders, and he typically just looked at forensic evidence,
physical evidence, But then he had the idea to think
(19:12):
about Jack's behavior. What kind of man was this? What
would he be wearing to, you know, to be able
to carry these murders out. Maybe he'd be wearing a
cloak that would hide blood, you know, and and he'd
probably be someone who was very cool and calm and
collected in order to be doing this on the streets.
So that's really the first known one. I'm sure there
(19:32):
are there are analogy throughout history.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Did they by the way, did they ever catch Jack
the Ripper? That's I certainly am familiar with the stories
and all of that, and had was it London that
he had? In quite an uproar? Was he ever caught
or did did? Did? Are they? Certainly they caught the
right person?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
So this is hotly contested, but there is a there
is a growing consensus that the killer was a man
named Aaron Kosminski who the police never named, but they
did catch and they institutionalized him. He was insane.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No relation to Ted Kazinski, kind of a similar name here.
The unibom so Uh, okay. So I know that when
we talk about criminal profiling, there are always going to
be some people who are going to say, well, that
can be kind of dangerous. The profiling is kind of
a bad word. We shouldn't profile people upon their looks
(20:28):
or upon you know, their their immutable characteristics. But you're
really talking when you're talking about criminal profiling, You're talking
about something more than immutable characteristics. You're talking about behavior pattern.
Time of the crime is it? Is it always at night?
Is it always in the morning? Give us what is what?
What is criminal profiling today? We'll skip over Kazinsky and
(20:51):
those people will come to today so that people will
have to read your book to learn how it evolved.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, so it's step lead some I
think you're from to racial profiling, which is a different
situation today. You know, criminal profiling is, but that could
commit that.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Could come into it. If if let us say, there
is someone who is you know, six foot five white dude,
uh and and and he's the person who they suspect
ultimately will be caught. You're going to report that. If
if that, if you feel pretty confident if, on the
other hand, it's a five foot two black guy. You're
(21:29):
not going to be pulling that guy off the street
and say, well it kind of looked like he was
six' five and the lighting wasn't. Great so they can
be racial in, size you, know so called immutable characteristics
can be part of. It but really what we're talking
about pattern of.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Behavior, yeah it's what kind of victims do they?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Choose what is the what is their?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Motivation is there some kind of gratification they're getting out of?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It is it does it.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Seem to be a statistic.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Pleasure or is it about?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Power is it about you, know as opposed to say
killers who just murder for money or out of, jealousy
the more kind of impulsive. Types so they look for
what they call it BEHAVIORAL dna at the crime.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Scenes, okay so of all the killers who we have
become familiar, with what's a son Of sam In New
york Or Ted bundy or. Whatever which of the of
those killers relatively well? Known do you think we're accurately
(22:27):
profiled criminally and may have led to or if it
didn't lead, to at least we had an accurate profile
on their behavior the. Characteristics are we doing pretty well
with this process or it's it's not a junk, science
but it's not quite you, know science.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Science, yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Exactly in my RESEARCH i found that more often than,
not the profiles are not that. Accurate we you, know
sometimes they're they're one tool you can use them and you,
know maybe narrow down or if you're looking For Ted,
kaczynski there's a needle in a haystack there and they
knew nothing about, him so the profile might guide a
first place to. Look but, actually historically they're not very.
(23:09):
ACCURATE i think ones that he found that In london
only about two point seven percent of profiles led to
the capture of a. Suspect so they're more of an
art than a, SCIENCE i think is a consensus.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Today, well With, kazinski he's living up in his shack In.
Montana this is a guy graduated From harvard and obviously
was in evil mind and he was sending mom you,
know explosive packages through the, mail and for a long
time they thought perhaps that it might have been his former.
Professors it turned OUT i believe that it was the
(23:46):
name of people who were on the cutting edge of
technical and scientific, breakthroughs because that was what bothered him
and the only way that he could get that information
was there was a subscrip ription at the library in
the town In montana that he lived to that he
lived in this little, shack and he goes to take
(24:07):
his bike down to the library read The New York,
times and if he found someone who was involved in
some sort of technical advancement that he didn't agree with that,
person then the chances of them receiving a love letter
From Ted kaczinski in the form of explosive package rose.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Significantly, yeah, exactly that's. Right he targeted psychology, professors scientists,
also you know the CEOs of, airlines because he was
so angry that out in his cabin when an airplane
was fly overhead and disturbed his. Peace one THING i
talk about in the book is That Ted kozinski was
(24:48):
subject to pretty cruel experimentation while he was an undergraduate
At harvard and by one of the psychology professors, there
and it may have had something to do with his
targeting of psychologists and. Scientists.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
YEAH i hate to give a guy like him any
credit because he some of his bombs. Killed i'm serious
WHEN i say, THAT i mean we, all any of
us who went through anything in, life can look back and,
say you, know that was a really tough baseball. COACH i.
Had the guy yelled at me WHEN i WHEN i
gave up that home run. Ball you, know it really
shook me. Up, NO i think that's kind of a cop. Out.
Now that guy was there and the only reason they
(25:24):
caught him was The Washington post agreed to publish his
memorandum or his, mandate and his brother recognized the writing
of his, brother and the brother turned him. In, yeah
if The Washington post had not published his, MANIFESTO i
(25:46):
think was how he characterized. IT i guess he could
still be living up there In montana. TODAY i don't.
Know it's. Interesting so the book has just come out
or is coming out, Right The monsters We, make murder
obsession and the rise of criminal, profiling AND i think
it's going to be an interesting. Read thank you so
Much rachel for joining. Us it's a topic we could
(26:06):
talk about a lot, longer that's for. SURE i appreciate
your time.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Tonight, definitely thank you so.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Much pleasure talking to.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
You very, Welcome. Rachel have a great. Night we came
back when we talk about a happy. Topic if you're
A New England, patriots fan The patriots big. Win they're
upset on the road In buffalo On sunday. Night we're
going to talk With Chris, Price Boston Globe sports. Reporter
chris has been on with us. Before he knows his
stuff to try to answer the questions about what does
this say about The patriots moving? On you know as
(26:36):
it you, know they probably don't have the toughest schedule
remaining of any. Team But i'll be interested If Chris
price projects him for a ten win season or maybe
a little. More at this, Point Chris, Price Boston Globe sports,
reporter talking about The patriots coming back on Night.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Side Night side With Dan. Ray i'm telling you this news, Radio,
well a.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Couple of nights, Ago sunday, night most of us were
tuned Into Sunday night, football and not too many of
us thought The patriots were going to outright. Win we
were hoping that they would keep it. Close they did
more than keep it close with. Us As Chris, Price
Boston Globe sports Reporter Chris truth serum, time what sort
(27:23):
of a chance did you think The patriots had On
sunday night to win that? Game before the, KICKOFF i.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Thought they're chances of winning that. Game let's just call them.
Minimal the biting LINE i think was eight and a. Half,
yes that we have to make picks for the, paper
AND i, said The bills aren't going to. Cover The
patriots are going to keep it. Competitive but the talent
gap between the two is just so overwhelming that The
patriots won't be able to keep up down the. Stretch
they'll turn the ball, over they'll do something and, bustle
(27:52):
the will take. Advantage well shows WHAT i, know because
The patriots made the plays when they needed to make
them second, half going into the fourth, quarter d May
Stefon diggs and the Kicker andy Barg gallas connects for
what turned out to be the game winner with fifteen seconds,
left a fifty two yard field. Goal just a great
performance all around for this. Team and they went back
(28:12):
to back games for the first TIME i think in
two plus. Years so they're headed in the right. Direction
let's see if they can sustain success from moving. Forward
but it was a great, ballgames so the head Into New.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Orleans New orleans actually had kind of a lucky win last.
Weekend there were some weird games last. Weekend That Arizona
tennessee game ended. Weird this is the second week in
a row that AN nfl receiver has dropped the, football you,
know a long touchdown pass on the one yard. Line
what are these guys, Thinking, chris we will get to The.
(28:45):
Patriots but my, god what mistakes have been? MADE i,
mean coaches much go.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Crazy i'm assuming, yeah, YEAH i will say this in
THIS discannt kind of lead us back to The patriots
if you, Want but, Yeah Mike rabel's first and most
important football commandment was something that he told us when
he was first hired In. January he, said we just
want to be good enough to take advantage of bad.
Football and that's bad. Football dropping the, ball you, know
(29:13):
before you cross the goal. Line they're in those. Situations
that's bad. Football AND i think each one of those
teams ended up paying for it in they did one
of those. Instances so, yeah it. Was it. Was it's
been a weird couple of weeks as teams get used
to some of the rules changes around the kickoff and
you know with these, again with these you, know giveaways
on the goal, line there's been some weird plays and
(29:35):
SO i Think New england is one of those teams
that's kind of been able to take. Advantage not, consistently
but for the most, Part newing has been able to
do a good job taking advantage of bad football so. Far,
again we'll see if that holds. True moved.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Forward, yeah they also When stevenson had that fumble early
in the game that could have turned the game around
if it had been. Recovered it was deep in The
patriots territory that that could turn the game around as.
WELL i thought came to a different. Level i've Watched
may AND i think he's a good. Quarterback but if
he can continue to have games like, THAT i hate
(30:09):
to say, this but he's gonna make people forget About Tom.
BRADY i, MEAN i mean he threw some, passes particularly
some of those rollouts to the right on a, dime
on a, dime and he got him into small. ZONES i,
mean it wasn't like the guy was opened by five
yards or ten. Yards he had some amazing. Passes you've
(30:33):
followed it a lot more THAN i. Have has he
ever looked that sharp to, you even in a?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Practice, No, Dan i'll tell you this WHEN i am
old and, gray or if When i'm older and grayer
THAN i am. Now i'll put it that. Way we're
going to look back on that game as the game
where it all started For Drake may because you, know,
really for the first time in his, career he was
able to lift a team down the stretch and come
(30:58):
away with a. Victory we see flashes from him over
the course of the last. Year so you remember the,
game the wild ending to the game In tennessee last
year where he threw the pass and forced over to
no time, left and he's over. Time we've seen things
like that from him. Before but to be able to
sustain success over the course of an entire game like,
that to have only one incomplete pass in the second
(31:20):
half when the game was on the, line to be
able to establish a connection like that with so many
important offensive options Like Hunter henry and of course capacity
made The Steph diggs rolling out to his. Right i'll
tell you, This. Dan one of the things that it's
really Interesting i'm thinking about writing about this this. Week
he is so, good he is so, accurate and he
is so confident when it comes to rolling out to his.
(31:41):
Right that's something That josh McDaniels has really been able
to kind of lean. Into and we saw those Results
sunday and ed against The.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
BILLS i could not understand As i'm watching the game
Why buffalo didn't, have you, know somebody basically move on
every play to the left to contain. HIM i mean
it was, Like, yeah what was the defensive is fansio
of the defensive coordinator For.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Buffalo, No, no They've they've had a few switches over
the last couple of, years but but they've always Been
i'll see, This, Dan they've always been pretty. Stout you,
know it's been very competitive and to be able to
use that one of the things that The patriots and
in this K i don't want to kind of get
too deep in the weeds, here but one of the
things The patriots were able to do On sunday, night
(32:27):
they were able to use, misdirection play, action play, fakes
bootlegs and to kind of get him on the. Run
And drake may really for, Me dan is at his
best when he's on the, run when they use that.
Athleticism the other thing that we've seen him kind of
go from here to here when it comes to this.
Year last year he was running into injury a. Lot
he didn't always know when really the journey was over.
(32:50):
Number he took some bad. Shots last, year he was
knocked out of. Games this, year he's, sliding he's getting
out of, Bounds he's much smarter when it comes to
that pocket awareness Into he's really doing a good job protecting.
Himself SO i Think Bin lard topeningly answer your. Question
buffalo's been really good at defending good quarterbacks like that
over the last couple of. Years but what The patriots
did was really excellent when it came to play, calling
(33:13):
using misdirection and that sort of.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Stuff, well the guy Who i've always thought was that
the key To buffalo for the last five or six
years has Been, milana the guy that played AT. Bc
he was a non factor On Sunday.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Night he really.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
WAS i don't know what they did to. Him And
may did take one hit to the head on one
of those right at midfield and The buffalo got penalized for.
It but WHEN i looked at, THAT i, said, ooh
that's that's a nasty. Hit and of course they lose
the number Four, gibson so he's out for the. Season
(33:46):
that big that's going to be a, PROBLEM i.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Assume, yeah it really. Will when you consider your reference
From Andre stevenson before with the ball security. Issues, yeah
it's going to be interesting to see how The patriots
kind of handle the running back little looking, forward because
the thought process was That welson For mandre is, having you,
know these fumbling, issues they're going to sit him down
and we're gonna see more From Angela gibson and the
Rookie Trevion. Henderson, well now they're GONNA i think they're
(34:11):
gonna end up Playing remandre by default really had a
lot of. Ways Will henderson is still going to be
a part of the conversation. Here it's gonna Be remandre's
show going. Forward the interesting thing, here the trade deadline
is coming up in about a month or, So so
my guess is they can try and figure out a
way to kind of pieces, together maybe bring a guy
up off the Practice Squadurell jennings kind of add another
(34:32):
layer of. Depth but they might be in the market
for a running back between now in the trade Deadline. November,
yeah if.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
The eagles want to give Up, BARKLEY i think that
would be a nice holy, Kidding oh only. Kidding, okay
here's The i'm gonna put you on the. Spot, okay
most people would thinking The patriots might get five or
six wins this. Year what's this. Ceiling i'm not going
to ask you how many they're gonna. Win what's their
ceiling in your?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Opinion, well when you look at the next six, Games,
dan they have the next six game, games the record
of their opponents is a combined nine and. Twenty the
next three games are against teams that have won one
game all. Year so this. Team the ceiling on this,
team AND i wrote this the other day at the
expectation level for this team is really increased over the
(35:16):
last couple of weeks with back to back. Wins SO
i think in my mind they've gone FROM i predicted
seven wins at the start of the, year and so
now you can see a situation where you know they
could they could win eight or nine and they could
be in that playoff conversation Come november And. December because
the schedule is so weak for the next six.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Weeks put me down for. ELEVEN i think it's an eleven,
SIX K i DO i? Do? Right i'm telling. YOU
i MEAN i think That miami's in trouble With Tyreek
hill gone for the. YEAR i think that things are
kind of going to break their. Way we'll talk about it, Again. Chris,
okay But i'm down for. Eleven all, Right thanks, man.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Here you here. You we'll circle back around on that In.
December how about?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That you bet you all? Before Thanks, chris talking to you,
soon all. Right we get back WHEN i talk with
The Boston City council Of Liz breeden about the idea
of government run grocery. Stores we'll get some. QUESTIONS i hope. That.
Well we'll see What council Of breeden has to. SAY
i have some, INTERESTING i think interesting. Questions we'll find
(36:18):
out back after The nune
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