December 17, 2025 • 34 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Is 2026 likely to be another wild ride? You bet! What challenges and opportunities might 2026 bring?
Guest: Duane Deason – President of The Efficacy Group & certified public accountant
Police ask public for video of Brown shooting suspect. The latest in this investigation as the shooter is still at large…
Guest: Colleen Cronin – Boston Herald reporter
“How to Disagree Better”. How to (or not to) chat with your family and friends about politics around the holidays.
Guest: Julia Minson – Harvard Kennedy School professor and behavioral scientist, author & a Builders Movement Partner (which is a global initiative to combat extreme division and polarization)
After the Patriots disappointing loss to the Bills, what’s next?
Guest: Khari Thompson – Boston Globe sports reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice, Dan Ray, I'm going you Mazy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It might it might be a quiet knife for sports,
might not be an active knife for sports. We got
a lot of action here on Nightside. Tonight we have
the President coming by at about nine o'clock to deliver
a big speech from Washington, which we'll cover for you
and they get your reaction to it. And then later
on tonight we'll try to keep in contact up to
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date on the latest and the Brookline Mit professor's murder,
also the murders of the two students at Brown University
last weekend. It's been a kind of a bad vibe
as we move into the end of the year. And
this hour we're going to talk with four individuals, starting
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off with Dwayne Deson. He's the president of the Efficacy Group.
He's also a certified public accountant. And we're going to
talk about twenty twenty six. Now, I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves here, Dwayne, but twenty twenty six
is now just about a couple of weeks away. Two
weeks from tonight is New Year's Eve, so there's less
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than well, there's two weeks three hours in about fifty
one minutes left in twenty twenty five. These these hour
glasses is slipping and sliding away. How are you this evening?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I am very well. That time does flye it is.
It's hard to believe we're already talking about twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, yeah, we're pushing it a little bit here. We
still have a few days left of Hanukah and then
the Christmas holiday. But twenty twenty six could be a
very interesting year politically. The Republicans have to worry about
defending their margin, their thin margin in the House. We
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have a new tax bill that goes into effect, maybe
even another potential government shut down. I mean, there's a
lot going on. What are you looking for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Specifically, it's going to be another wild drive. I think
twenty twenty five was that, and I think twenty twenty
six will not disappoint. I think we're going to start off,
as you mentioned with in January, we have the big
beautiful bill really starting to take effect with a lot
of its tax cuts that are going to stimulate the economy.
And that's going to be great news. And that's going
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to be followed up from very tough news, because by
the end of January, we very well might be facing
another government shutdown with no easy answers because now the
parties have to agree on budget appropriations and those healthcare subsidies,
so that's a tough combination to agree on. So it's
going to be even an interesting month one to the year.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah. I might be wrong, but I'm betting against a
government shutdown. And the reason I'm betting against it, I
don't think there were any winners. The Republicans certainly tasted
some defeat in the November elections in Virginia and New
Jersey and subsequently elsewhere, and I think all and all
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the Democrats don't feel they got much out of it.
So I think it would be a ship of fools
if this government shuts down again for any length of time.
It caused a lot of emotional harm and upset to
people in this country. That's that's my thought on And
what's your what's your instinct tell you?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I mean, I think that ship of fools is
a great phrase there, So I'm not so sure sometimes
in Washington, and I'm from that area, that we that
we have a lot of great failures on that ship.
So I would still put it around fifty to fifty.
I think what you're saying, hopefully they've learned a lesson
from just a few months ago. But I'm not so
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sure because I think some of the stakes are very high.
The Democrats, I think, felt like they like a fight,
and they and their their their constituents want them to fight,
and so sometimes they just have that instinct to try
to go for that. I think the Republicans really don't
want to extend the COVID subsidies, and so that's going
to be a big issue at the end. What usually
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happens on these things is they just give everybody what
they want and we just spend away. And that's why
we have a thirty eight trillion dollar budget debt, you know.
So we'll see how it plays out this year.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah. One of the things that I think works against
that is I think the Republicans and the Democrats both
want something here. But I still think that the smart
people on both sides of the eye are going to
say shutdown is didn't do anyone any good. It certainly
didn't health the American people. There are a lot of
people who didn't get their snap benefits for some time
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here in Massachusetts and elsewhere around the country in early November,
and I think there's there's some ways that they can
compromise on some of that, but hey, that's we'll see
how it plays out. There's a lot of other things
going on. I'm going to have a new FED chairman,
which I think Jay Powell's time has kind of run
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its course. Here. Do you have a thought as to
who likely is going to be the new new FED chairman?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I think I like the phrase that I hear
a lot that it will be a Kevin, since it's
the to Kevin's under consideration. But but I think what
we know is that that individual will probably be soft
on interest rates, meaning that they'll be more likely to
cut than than previous leadership and and that and that
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can be very positive and stimulating to the to the economy,
but it can also have some sometimes side effects as well. Uh,
it's not there's always, like all these things, there's trade
offs between between doing something that it could cause the
The worry is that it overstimulates the economy and it
creates inflation. I don't think we're close to that, and
I think we as long as we don't get carried away,
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I think we should be fine on interest rate cuts.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, the tariffs I don't think have had the impact
that a lot of people feared on, particularly on some
of the big, big ticket items. And I also think
that the Republicans realized that whatever good that they have
done in terms of stimulating you know, new businesses in
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this country and specifically some new factories on you know,
hard goods like automobiles, probably the commitment has been made.
I think that they're going to back away from. I
don't think there's much of an appetite amongst the Republicans
to have greater or new tariffs.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah. I would say that the big surprise of twenty
twenty five with the tariffs is that they did not
impact inflation and did not have the big economic impact
that people were anticipating. So it ended up being I
would say, relatively tame for was what were pretty good
sized teriffs for a while there. And they've come down,
and if I had to bet on twenty twenty six,
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I think they will still come down. And because we
have some we still have some big tariffs in place
with our with our neighbors in Canada and Mexico, and
so there's an opportunity for those to soften a little bit.
But there's also the opportunity for China to heat up,
and it doesn't necessarily even though we have about a
year truce which will end in November, it's not to
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say that that we can't have spikes before that. Like
if China doesn't keep their commitment to buy our agriculture products,
our soybeans or whatever other pieces of that, it could
trigger again another quick fight and we'd be right back
in the ring again. And also Trump is not afraid
to President Trump is not afraid to use traffs if
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something isn't going well, if he doesn't like something with
another country or any dealings, or think something's not appropriate,
that it's probably his first card he played. And so
I do think there's a chance that there's some Tarff
surprises that come up in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The other issue that I think will carry over is
the rush of Ukraine War. There's no quick end of
sight on that. I don't see that ending anytime soon.
I think the Gulf is too great and and and
Putin is too unreasonable. I think Putin has played Trump here. Uh,
certainly with that meeting in Alaska which which which went
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nowhere do you see any I mean, that would be
the best thing that could happen if I had to
pick the surprise of of all. But I just don't
see that that coming to an end anytime soon, despite
the carnage that both sides are suffering.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it is. It's a terrible thing that's going on there.
And I agree with you that I pray there's an
outcome that's reasonable. Uh, you know, unless unless the United
States and and with Europe's help, is going to get
much tougher on Russia, which so far we have not
really been too serious with our sanctions. We've talked about them,
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we threatened them, we really haven't done them. And if
if as long as that continues, I don't think Putin
will come to heal. So and and it's probably not
reasonable just to ask, you, praying, to give up a
lot of territory and to essentially capitulate after they fought
so hard for so many years. So it's going to
be that is a tough one to settle there. I'm
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sometimes I have hope in the sense that that Russia
they act like they're they're very strong, and Putin just
feel like has a stronghand their economy is not doing
that well, and they are starting to suffer from this conflict,
and so I do feel like Putin would like to
see a end of the conflict if he can get
this result and still stay faced, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I guess the only option we haven't played, and
that is the Traumahawk missile option. And that is a
very dangerous card to play on our end, because once
we turn those missiles over, you never know what the
implications might be and what Putin, as a desperate individual,
might decide to do on his end as well. So
there's always a lot of questions, a lot of excitement
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and possibility. We'll keep in touch, Dwayne. I enjoyed our
conversation today. How can folks get in touch with you
or the Efficacy Group if they felt it'd like to
be in touch.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I have a website that's Efficacy Group E F F
I C A C Y Group, g r U up
dot com and I can be reached through that. And
I always enjoy talking to you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Right back at you, Dwayne, Thank you so much. We'll
have you back probably sooner than later, earlier in the
new year than you have any reasonablief. Thanks so much,
appreciate it joy. When we get back, we're going to
bring you a little bit of a development in the
Brown shooting case. We're gonna be talking with Colleen Cronin,
the Boston Herald reporter back on Night Side in a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray
on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, all of us have been shocked by a couple
of incidents here, one of which is the shooting of
the MIT professor I guess In the in the foyer
of his home in Brookline. But we were shocked over
the weekend with the the shooting, the wounding, seriously wounding
many students down at Brown, and the murder of two students.
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We're delighted to be joined. I think for the first
time I could be wrong on that Colleen Cronin, who's
a reporter for the Boston Herald. Colleen spent a lot
of time in Providence on Sunday and Monday and has
been following this story. Colleen, First of all, welcome to Nightside.
How are you this evening.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Thanks very much for being here. There was a photograph
released tonight not of the person of interest you know,
so called, but of someone who apparently was dressed in
kind of a similar fashion but did not have his
face covered. But he might have been walking on those
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streets as the person who's the person of interest in
this case. And when I use that word, you know
what I mean. What are they hoping to find out
from this other individual who was dressed in very similar
fashion except for the face covering. So do they think
there might actually be some connection here? You know?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Police Chief Oscar Perez in Providence, he said at the
press conference today. I wish videos could could talk. And
it seems pretty unclear even what information they want from
this person, just that they know that this person was
in the area around Brown at the same time as
the person of interest who they're looking into for the shooting.
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So it's pretty unclear at this point what information, if any,
they're hoping to get, but they are hoping to speak
with them, just even for the fact that the person
was in such close proximity.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Right now, you've been down there. I haven't a long
long time ago. I was an actual reporter like you
for thirty one years working at WBZ and Boston. I
covered a lot of these scenes. When they released those
videos and the still pictures of the person of interest,
I looked at them and I thought, this is a
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really bad video. I mean, there was you could learn
something about maybe this guy's size, his girth, his height
because he walked past street signs that you could measure
I know how they do that, But there was nothing descriptive, unlike,
for example, when you think about the guy in New York,
Luigi Mangioni. He had these very huge, bushy eyebrows for
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a young guy, and I think that was what drew
people to his attention when he was in that McDonald's.
Do you think that they those are the best they
had to offer. But was there any talk amongst the
reporters or amongst the investigators that hey, this is going
to lead to a break. I mean, obviously they're they've
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given us the best they got, but I was very
disappointed with the quality of the videos, the still shots
of the person of interest.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know, the Attorney General Rhode Island Attorney General n
Rono was pretty honest about the fact that it's low
quality what they have, but it was the best that
they had. You know, Chief Perez said that he was
hoping to be the gate of the person, which a
care sort of distinctive could you know, tip someone off
to the identity of who this person is. But you're right,
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I mean, we don't really have a good image of
the person of interest face. I think the most descriptive
part is, you know, a jacket which appears to be,
you know, a little green and black, and a lot
of people have jackets that look like that, so I
think they're pretty They've been pretty honest about the fact that,
you know, this is the best they have and it's
it's not the best that they wish it was.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm going to make an assumption. I know we're never
supposed to make assumptions, but my assumption is that for
this guy to hang around in that location as long
as he did, which we know he did, and for
him to go into this this study group, he must
have had somebody in that study group that he was
looking to impact. And I would suspect that any break
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in this case is going to come from someone sadly
might be you know, what he did to the one
of the two people who were killed who no longer
can talk to us, But maybe maybe someone in that
room who was merely wounded, had had a beef with him,
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or there was something there. I just to walk in
and try to blow away people in a study group
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I've got
to believe that there was a reason why this kid
or this guy, because I assume it's a relatively young
person from his demeanor. Do you buy that or have
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you heard that theory?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
No? I think there's certainly that theory's been put out there.
And in normal homicide, key is if there's ever such
a thing, you know, victims often do know the perpetrator.
In this instance, I think that law enforcement is really
cautioning against making that assumption just because it might overly
narrow where they're searching in this case, but it's certainly possible.
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I think, you know, there are instances where people are
connected or have a vendetta. We saw that, you know,
in the the suspect, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk,
but other instances we don't. So I think, you know,
they're really leaning on figuring out who this person is first,
and maybe getting the facts and the motive after they've
stated no motive, And you know, there's been a lot
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of theories floating around online, specifically about the two students
who were killed in the shooting and how they may
have you know, prompted a motive for the killing, and
law enforcement has really tried to push back on that.
So I think it's really open to what will come.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I'm not sure I see those similarities between the the
two people, young people who lost their lives to the
young man from Uzbekistan and the young woman who I
believe came from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's not as if there's little commonality geographically, and so
I'll be interested. I just hope that all of the
story comes out, that the authorities as well as the
university deal with us with transparency and where all adults,
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let's find out what this was about. Obviously it's going
to have to come up at trial if they if
they hope to, you know, convict anyone of this crime.
That's what I hope, And I know that there's certain
rumors going around, and I don't think that's helpful either.
I just think they should get to the bottom of
it as quickly as possible, make their arrest. It's not
an impossible case, but I think this is going to
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be a tough case this, this guy's he could be
anywhere in the world right now after four days, and
I hope that they realize that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know, I think something that's interesting that came up
today is that speaking about sort of theories that are
out there, is law enforcement was also kind of advising
people against any sort of AI images that could be
out there that are might just be distorting the images
that are out there that the police have put out there,
which is you know, a whole other layer to this
that maybe, you know, even two years ago or three
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years ago, we wouldn't have had. So there is certainly
a lot of misinformation. But you know, they're they're maintaining
that they're not discouraged at this point despite sort of
the lack of visual evidence that they can show us.
But yeah, I think we're just going to have to
wait and see you unfortunately, as.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Often we do. Colleen cron and the Boston Harrold appreciate
you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Thank you very much, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Very welcome. When we get back right after the news
at the bottom of the r we're going to talk
about and this is a think we've talked about before,
but how to disagree better how to chat with family
and friends about politics around the holidays. I mean, we
will be talking with Julia Minson. She's a Harvard Kennedy
School professor and a behavioral scientist. So if anyone can
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give us some help, I suspect it would be Professor
Julia Minson. Back with Professor Minson right after the news
at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's Night Side with Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
All Right, the holidays are approaching and just like a
Thanksgiving and at the fourth of July at Christmas, the
family tends to gather and oftentimes politics can be a
sore point with us. Is Professor Julia Minson at the
Harvard Kennedy School, professor and behavioral scientists, author of Builders Movement,
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a Builders Movement partner, which is a global initiative combat
extreme division and polarization. Well, you got a lot to
work with here, Professor Minson, because we have a lot
of division and polarization in this country right now and
have it for a few years. You have some tips
as to how we can avoid people throwing turkey legs
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across the table or flow the entire ham.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Well, that sounds like a good goal to be not
throwing turkey legs across the table is a good place
to start, sure, you know. Another really good place to
start is realizing that you are not going to win
an argument over the dinner table. It's just not going
to happen. We've learned from our research that when people
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feel serious about their belief it's about a one in
twenty chance that you're going to win something. So if
you're not going to win, why are you going through
all the drama?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right? Like?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
What are you trying to accomplish with having this conversation?
And So I think that's the number one question that
I would ask myself when I'm about to engage in
politics at the Christmas table.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think that most people
are set in their ways. I deal with it here
on the night side five nights a week, and it
doesn't matter. When I played Devil's Advocate and ask questions,
a lot of people don't even respond to the question.
It's like they just want to tell you why you're wrong.
(21:31):
For a long time, this has been with us now
for about ten years. I think it started in the
days of Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, or Donald Trump
versus Hillary Clinton and for a while, I was suggesting
to people, hey, where are your Trump buttons? Where you're
the big you know, Martha's vineyd Son hats that Hillary
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Clinton often wore, you know, let people know loud and
proud where you stand. Well, that didn't work, and I
think it's just gotten deeper and deeper as time has
gone on. How do you handle it at the Kennedy School.
I assume that you have a people over there, students
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who have different points of view? What's what is what's
the practice that you use in the classroom, and maybe
you let them go at it in the classroom because
that's what they're supposed to do. I'm not sure if
you've ever been able to get people talking to one
another as opposed to past one another.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Well, you know, I think you've got the timeline exactly right.
And we've been actually working for a few years at
the Kennedy School on creating a very robust program to
teach our students to disagree in a constructive way. So
I really think that, you know, a key skill of
a public policy maker and a public leader is to
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be able to, as you say, not talk past the
other person, because the whole reason you're talking to them
is because you need to do something together, right, Like,
if you didn't need them, you could just go do
the thing yourself. And so, you know, there's this choice
that I think people have been trying different methods over time.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
On one hand, we say, Okay, what's the strongest argument
I can make. I will wear my button and I
will fly my colors and I will kind of practice
my debate skills and win. The argument that hasn't worked.
Right on the flip side of it is I'm just
going to avoid it. I'm going to change the topic.
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I'm going to let them believe whatever it is they
want to believe, and I will stay out of the drama.
And you know the problem with that approach is that
the drama still lives on in your head, right you
still feel you know, you still have or rehearsing that
argument in your head the entire time. So you know,
what we really find, you know, in line with our research,
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is that there is a way to have constructive conversation
station when you decide that your goal is not to
persuade this person in this one conversation, right, if you
decide that your goal is to learn about each other's
perspective and to make the other person feel heard, then
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you start getting somewhere. And that's really kind of the
program we've been building.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, I think that it was kind of a toxic
mix when you had and again, not to blame people,
but I'm going to blame people to have Hillary Clinton
referring to people as a bowl of deplorables half the country.
And you have Donald Trump reacting to Rob Reiner's murder
and the murder of his wife as well in that
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post that he put up, and people are as watching today,
people defending that, and it's like that sort of language
is so extreme on both ends, there's no room for
conversation that would have happened, let's say many a go
between someone like Bill Buckley and John David Galbraith, just
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what happened today?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Sadly, Well, I think what you're pointing out is leadership
really matters, right, Leadership really really matters. And what our
leader's model is what the rest of us pick up
that sort of sets the tone and sets the norms.
But the good news, and this is again what we
have found in our experiment, is that people imitate each
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other's tone. And so even though our leaders have these
massive megaphones and can reach millions of people. Each one
of us has the ability to influence the tone in
every conversation we participate in. So if you want to
have a more civil discussion around your dinner table, or
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on your work team or in your community, you can
model the behavior you want to see from others, and
psychology tells us that they are going to essentially copycat
the model that you set, So that gives every single
one of us a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And even, for example, the relationships between President Reagan and
Tip O'Neil in the nineteen eighties. I mean they would fight,
disagree and all of that, but after hours they could
share a drink at the White House and I think
actually have a friendship. And I wish we had more
of that today, that's for sure. Professor Professor Julia Minsent
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appreciate it very much. Is there a website that you'd
like to direct? You have a book, how to Disagree Better?
How can folks get a copy that? I assume Amazon
dot com.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, so my book How to Disagree Better is coming
out on March twenty fourth. You can find it anywhere
books are sold. I'm also part of the Builder's Movement,
which is a movement of people trying to find ways
to disagree constructively, and you can find them at builders
Movement dot org.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sounds great, And make sure that we get you back
before the book, just before the book publishes, and we
may well do an entire hour and maybe also involved callers,
which I think would be fun. If you're interested, keep.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Us, that would be fabulous. I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
All right, well, Professor Minston, I wish you great holidays,
whether you celebrate Hanukkah, Christmas, Kwanza, or Festivus fill in
the blank, happy holidays and whatever you celebrate.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Okay, you too, Thanks so much, Thank.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You very much. When we get back, we're going to
talk with Boston Globe sports reporter Kerrie Thompson, and we're
going to be talking about the Patriots and maybe a
little bit about the Celtics, but focus on the Patriots.
Where do they go from here? I think the season
still has some big positive surprises in store for all
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of us. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're joined by Carrie Thompson. Carry I hope I know
I got Thompson right. I'm hoping I got Kyrie correct
as well.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
You got it perfect. You're pronouncing it beautifully, Dan.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
How are you. I'm doing great, Carrey, Welcome back to
Night Side. You've been with us before Tough Afternoon for
the Patriots Sunday afternoon against Buffalo, And I know in
Patriotsville there's a lot of people who are blaming the
refs on that game. Anything gonna come of that. There
were a lot of poems called the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
No, I'm not gonna blame the rest for that. I mean,
I'll blame the lack of a pass rush before I
blame the rest for that game. And also I blame
Drake May for the way he played before the rest too.
It wasn't his finest game. So I'm no, there's no
excuses for them. The bar is too high for them.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
At this point, it was still a close game. I
mean they lost by four, and after Henderson bounced off
that traffic jam, I've never seen that many defensive players.
If you could have thrown literally a towel had covered
most of the helmets of the Buffalo Bills. Was that
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just a breakdown? I mean, Henderson was brilliant. He just
bounced and took off and and Drake May, to his credit,
was out there as the lead blocker keep it up
a little bit with Henderson actually, which was pleasantly surprising.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Oh yeah, I mean Travion credit to him for the
great vision on that on that play to cut that back.
And also for Drake, as you mentioned, just the hustle,
the combination of hustle and athleticism and just mindset right, Like,
that's what you want from your quarterback. You want someone
who's gonna get out there, lead and lead and be
out in front. If he's gonna walk, talk to talk
and he's gonna walk the walk. And he threw a
lead block. How about that?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah? As good as as good as Tom Brady was,
I don't think he could have done what Drake May did. No,
he was not a fleet of foot.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
No, no, no, wasn't even close.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, So what did they have to do? Let's talk
Sunday night, John in Baltimore against a read juvenated Baltimore
Raven's team that took it to Cincinnati last weekend, shut
him out and shut out Joe Burrows, a team that
you know that played the Patriots pretty well a few
weeks ago they better not be asleep in Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
The better they better not they I think they have
to get the run game going. They've been inconsistent with
it throughout the year. It's obviously you can see what
kind of a home run hit or Trevion is when
he gets some room to run. So that's going to
be a huge key because he can't be one dimensional
and Astak to throw it forty times. They did that,
you know, consistently throughout the year. But you know that's
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that's not a recipe for success when it comes late
against good teams. And you know Baltimore is always physical,
they always love to hit. And you're facing you're facing
one of the one of seven players man to win
MVP under the age twenty four in Lamar Jackson. So
you know, Drake is vying to be in that conversation,
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but Lamar is one of those guys that is so
you know you got to contain him as well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And is he finally healthy? I know he's been hurt
for most of the season. What's the did they keep
him out long? Missed?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
So he missed practice today apparently it was it was
it was he was sick. It was an illness that
kept him out of practice today. But people have been
saying that he's he's missed. He's missed days routinely throughout
these last couple of weeks and still ended up playing.
But he was not at practice today, which is an
interesting footnote.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Well, uh, this this is a big one for for
the Pats. They they don't want to lose two in
a row. I mean, they got a couple of relatively
easy games to pick up with Miami and the Jets,
which I don't want to put those in the wind callum,
but I feel good about those games. The Baltimore game
on a Sunday night troubles me a little bit. I
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don't even know what the points spread is. I'm assuming
Baltimore's going to be a one or two point favorite
because they're at home.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
That's a good question. I actually haven't checked the betting numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, okay, that's that's fine and real quickly. I know
that you covered the Celtics a lot as well. I'm
surprised pleased with the Celtics. They look like a much
better team than maybe most of us thought come a
training camp last September. This team is they lost to
the Pistons last night. But the Pistons are a good team,
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maybe one of the best in the league. I think
the Celtics are only going to get better. Any chance
that Jason Tatum might make a late season appearance for
this team, I saw that in the paper the other day.
I'm not sure if it was your article.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Sure, So Brad Stevens actually talked about that this today
and he was saying that, you know, ultimately it's going
to be Tatum's decision, and he's going to come back,
you know, when he's percent healthy and feeling comfortable, and
also after he's hit some some thresholds Brad called them.
You know, there are some strength tests they need to
do with them he needs to be able to pass.
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They're gonna need to ramp things up from unscripted things
in practice to you know, from scripted to unscripted to
you know, finally being able to just play in freelance.
So he's got several bars that he needs to hit
and it doesn't and it sounds like he's like several
steps away. It's not like it's an impending return. But
Brad all the point Brad also made it it was
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he's like they could have applied for a disabled player
exception and tried to get someone else with some of
the salary money that they are paying Tatum this year,
and they didn't do that. So that that speaks to
me saying a little bit that there is some hope
that he might be able to come back down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, I'll tell you it would be a tremendous athletic boost,
but also a psychological booster this team. I think it
will be boy if all of a sudden in March
he starts to play and play, well, let me tell you,
this team might go a lot deeper into the playoffs
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than anybody ever ever could have possibly imagined. Karee, thank
you so much for joining us tonight and talking to
a couple of sports. Maybe we'll get to get you
on the Red Sox soon, because obviously they haven't made
the big move yet. They've got a couple of moves,
a couple of pictures which I kind of like, but
I think they've got to make some moves more. They
have to make some more moves between now, certainly in
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the beginning of the year. Thanks Kree, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Thanks man, I'd love it.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Talking Fox would be a dream.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It'll be a little closer to spring as well. Thank
you so much, appreciate it very much. We are now
standing by for the President's speech, which will come from
the Oval Office. We are within about a minute and
a half of it, so stay with us. We will
talk more about President Trump's speech with you right after.
If you like what you hear, we want to hear
from you. If you think you don't like what you hear,
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we'd want to hear from you as well. Stay with
us right here at night side
It's nice, Dan Ray, I'm going you Mazy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It might it might be a quiet knife for sports,
might not be an active knife for sports. We got
a lot of action here on Nightside. Tonight we have
the President coming by at about nine o'clock to deliver
a big speech from Washington, which we'll cover for you
and they get your reaction to it. And then later
on tonight we'll try to keep in contact up to
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date on the latest and the Brookline Mit professor's murder,
also the murders of the two students at Brown University
last weekend. It's been a kind of a bad vibe
as we move into the end of the year. And
this hour we're going to talk with four individuals, starting
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off with Dwayne Deson. He's the president of the Efficacy Group.
He's also a certified public accountant. And we're going to
talk about twenty twenty six. Now, I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves here, Dwayne, but twenty twenty six
is now just about a couple of weeks away. Two
weeks from tonight is New Year's Eve, so there's less
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than well, there's two weeks three hours in about fifty
one minutes left in twenty twenty five. These these hour
glasses is slipping and sliding away. How are you this evening?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I am very well. That time does flye it is.
It's hard to believe we're already talking about twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, yeah, we're pushing it a little bit here. We
still have a few days left of Hanukah and then
the Christmas holiday. But twenty twenty six could be a
very interesting year politically. The Republicans have to worry about
defending their margin, their thin margin in the House. We
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have a new tax bill that goes into effect, maybe
even another potential government shut down. I mean, there's a
lot going on. What are you looking for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Specifically, it's going to be another wild drive. I think
twenty twenty five was that, and I think twenty twenty
six will not disappoint. I think we're going to start off,
as you mentioned with in January, we have the big
beautiful bill really starting to take effect with a lot
of its tax cuts that are going to stimulate the economy.
And that's going to be great news. And that's going
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to be followed up from very tough news, because by
the end of January, we very well might be facing
another government shutdown with no easy answers because now the
parties have to agree on budget appropriations and those healthcare subsidies,
so that's a tough combination to agree on. So it's
going to be even an interesting month one to the year.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah. I might be wrong, but I'm betting against a
government shutdown. And the reason I'm betting against it, I
don't think there were any winners. The Republicans certainly tasted
some defeat in the November elections in Virginia and New
Jersey and subsequently elsewhere, and I think all and all
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the Democrats don't feel they got much out of it.
So I think it would be a ship of fools
if this government shuts down again for any length of time.
It caused a lot of emotional harm and upset to
people in this country. That's that's my thought on And
what's your what's your instinct tell you?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I mean, I think that ship of fools is
a great phrase there, So I'm not so sure sometimes
in Washington, and I'm from that area, that we that
we have a lot of great failures on that ship.
So I would still put it around fifty to fifty.
I think what you're saying, hopefully they've learned a lesson
from just a few months ago. But I'm not so
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sure because I think some of the stakes are very high.
The Democrats, I think, felt like they like a fight,
and they and their their their constituents want them to fight,
and so sometimes they just have that instinct to try
to go for that. I think the Republicans really don't
want to extend the COVID subsidies, and so that's going
to be a big issue at the end. What usually
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happens on these things is they just give everybody what
they want and we just spend away. And that's why
we have a thirty eight trillion dollar budget debt, you know.
So we'll see how it plays out this year.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah. One of the things that I think works against
that is I think the Republicans and the Democrats both
want something here. But I still think that the smart
people on both sides of the eye are going to
say shutdown is didn't do anyone any good. It certainly
didn't health the American people. There are a lot of
people who didn't get their snap benefits for some time
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here in Massachusetts and elsewhere around the country in early November,
and I think there's there's some ways that they can
compromise on some of that, but hey, that's we'll see
how it plays out. There's a lot of other things
going on. I'm going to have a new FED chairman,
which I think Jay Powell's time has kind of run
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its course. Here. Do you have a thought as to
who likely is going to be the new new FED chairman?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I think I like the phrase that I hear
a lot that it will be a Kevin, since it's
the to Kevin's under consideration. But but I think what
we know is that that individual will probably be soft
on interest rates, meaning that they'll be more likely to
cut than than previous leadership and and that and that
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can be very positive and stimulating to the to the economy,
but it can also have some sometimes side effects as well. Uh,
it's not there's always, like all these things, there's trade
offs between between doing something that it could cause the
The worry is that it overstimulates the economy and it
creates inflation. I don't think we're close to that, and
I think we as long as we don't get carried away,
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I think we should be fine on interest rate cuts.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, the tariffs I don't think have had the impact
that a lot of people feared on, particularly on some
of the big, big ticket items. And I also think
that the Republicans realized that whatever good that they have
done in terms of stimulating you know, new businesses in
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this country and specifically some new factories on you know,
hard goods like automobiles, probably the commitment has been made.
I think that they're going to back away from. I
don't think there's much of an appetite amongst the Republicans
to have greater or new tariffs.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah. I would say that the big surprise of twenty
twenty five with the tariffs is that they did not
impact inflation and did not have the big economic impact
that people were anticipating. So it ended up being I
would say, relatively tame for was what were pretty good
sized teriffs for a while there. And they've come down,
and if I had to bet on twenty twenty six,
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I think they will still come down. And because we
have some we still have some big tariffs in place
with our with our neighbors in Canada and Mexico, and
so there's an opportunity for those to soften a little bit.
But there's also the opportunity for China to heat up,
and it doesn't necessarily even though we have about a
year truce which will end in November, it's not to
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say that that we can't have spikes before that. Like
if China doesn't keep their commitment to buy our agriculture products,
our soybeans or whatever other pieces of that, it could
trigger again another quick fight and we'd be right back
in the ring again. And also Trump is not afraid
to President Trump is not afraid to use traffs if
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something isn't going well, if he doesn't like something with
another country or any dealings, or think something's not appropriate,
that it's probably his first card he played. And so
I do think there's a chance that there's some Tarff
surprises that come up in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The other issue that I think will carry over is
the rush of Ukraine War. There's no quick end of
sight on that. I don't see that ending anytime soon.
I think the Gulf is too great and and and
Putin is too unreasonable. I think Putin has played Trump here. Uh,
certainly with that meeting in Alaska which which which went
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nowhere do you see any I mean, that would be
the best thing that could happen if I had to
pick the surprise of of all. But I just don't
see that that coming to an end anytime soon, despite
the carnage that both sides are suffering.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it is. It's a terrible thing that's going on there.
And I agree with you that I pray there's an
outcome that's reasonable. Uh, you know, unless unless the United
States and and with Europe's help, is going to get
much tougher on Russia, which so far we have not
really been too serious with our sanctions. We've talked about them,
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we threatened them, we really haven't done them. And if
if as long as that continues, I don't think Putin
will come to heal. So and and it's probably not
reasonable just to ask, you, praying, to give up a
lot of territory and to essentially capitulate after they fought
so hard for so many years. So it's going to
be that is a tough one to settle there. I'm
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sometimes I have hope in the sense that that Russia
they act like they're they're very strong, and Putin just
feel like has a stronghand their economy is not doing
that well, and they are starting to suffer from this conflict,
and so I do feel like Putin would like to
see a end of the conflict if he can get
this result and still stay faced, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I guess the only option we haven't played, and
that is the Traumahawk missile option. And that is a
very dangerous card to play on our end, because once
we turn those missiles over, you never know what the
implications might be and what Putin, as a desperate individual,
might decide to do on his end as well. So
there's always a lot of questions, a lot of excitement
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and possibility. We'll keep in touch, Dwayne. I enjoyed our
conversation today. How can folks get in touch with you
or the Efficacy Group if they felt it'd like to
be in touch.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I have a website that's Efficacy Group E F F
I C A C Y Group, g r U up
dot com and I can be reached through that. And
I always enjoy talking to you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Right back at you, Dwayne, Thank you so much. We'll
have you back probably sooner than later, earlier in the
new year than you have any reasonablief. Thanks so much,
appreciate it joy. When we get back, we're going to
bring you a little bit of a development in the
Brown shooting case. We're gonna be talking with Colleen Cronin,
the Boston Herald reporter back on Night Side in a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray
on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, all of us have been shocked by a couple
of incidents here, one of which is the shooting of
the MIT professor I guess In the in the foyer
of his home in Brookline. But we were shocked over
the weekend with the the shooting, the wounding, seriously wounding
many students down at Brown, and the murder of two students.
(11:10):
We're delighted to be joined. I think for the first
time I could be wrong on that Colleen Cronin, who's
a reporter for the Boston Herald. Colleen spent a lot
of time in Providence on Sunday and Monday and has
been following this story. Colleen, First of all, welcome to Nightside.
How are you this evening.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Thanks very much for being here. There was a photograph
released tonight not of the person of interest you know,
so called, but of someone who apparently was dressed in
kind of a similar fashion but did not have his
face covered. But he might have been walking on those
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streets as the person who's the person of interest in
this case. And when I use that word, you know
what I mean. What are they hoping to find out
from this other individual who was dressed in very similar
fashion except for the face covering. So do they think
there might actually be some connection here? You know?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Police Chief Oscar Perez in Providence, he said at the
press conference today. I wish videos could could talk. And
it seems pretty unclear even what information they want from
this person, just that they know that this person was
in the area around Brown at the same time as
the person of interest who they're looking into for the shooting.
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So it's pretty unclear at this point what information, if any,
they're hoping to get, but they are hoping to speak
with them, just even for the fact that the person
was in such close proximity.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Right now, you've been down there. I haven't a long
long time ago. I was an actual reporter like you
for thirty one years working at WBZ and Boston. I
covered a lot of these scenes. When they released those
videos and the still pictures of the person of interest,
I looked at them and I thought, this is a
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really bad video. I mean, there was you could learn
something about maybe this guy's size, his girth, his height
because he walked past street signs that you could measure
I know how they do that, But there was nothing descriptive, unlike,
for example, when you think about the guy in New York,
Luigi Mangioni. He had these very huge, bushy eyebrows for
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a young guy, and I think that was what drew
people to his attention when he was in that McDonald's.
Do you think that they those are the best they
had to offer. But was there any talk amongst the
reporters or amongst the investigators that hey, this is going
to lead to a break. I mean, obviously they're they've
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given us the best they got, but I was very
disappointed with the quality of the videos, the still shots
of the person of interest.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know, the Attorney General Rhode Island Attorney General n
Rono was pretty honest about the fact that it's low
quality what they have, but it was the best that
they had. You know, Chief Perez said that he was
hoping to be the gate of the person, which a
care sort of distinctive could you know, tip someone off
to the identity of who this person is. But you're right,
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I mean, we don't really have a good image of
the person of interest face. I think the most descriptive
part is, you know, a jacket which appears to be,
you know, a little green and black, and a lot
of people have jackets that look like that, so I
think they're pretty They've been pretty honest about the fact that,
you know, this is the best they have and it's
it's not the best that they wish it was.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm going to make an assumption. I know we're never
supposed to make assumptions, but my assumption is that for
this guy to hang around in that location as long
as he did, which we know he did, and for
him to go into this this study group, he must
have had somebody in that study group that he was
looking to impact. And I would suspect that any break
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in this case is going to come from someone sadly
might be you know, what he did to the one
of the two people who were killed who no longer
can talk to us, But maybe maybe someone in that
room who was merely wounded, had had a beef with him,
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or there was something there. I just to walk in
and try to blow away people in a study group
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I've got
to believe that there was a reason why this kid
or this guy, because I assume it's a relatively young
person from his demeanor. Do you buy that or have
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you heard that theory?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
No? I think there's certainly that theory's been put out there.
And in normal homicide, key is if there's ever such
a thing, you know, victims often do know the perpetrator.
In this instance, I think that law enforcement is really
cautioning against making that assumption just because it might overly
narrow where they're searching in this case, but it's certainly possible.
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I think, you know, there are instances where people are
connected or have a vendetta. We saw that, you know,
in the the suspect, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk,
but other instances we don't. So I think, you know,
they're really leaning on figuring out who this person is first,
and maybe getting the facts and the motive after they've
stated no motive, And you know, there's been a lot
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of theories floating around online, specifically about the two students
who were killed in the shooting and how they may
have you know, prompted a motive for the killing, and
law enforcement has really tried to push back on that.
So I think it's really open to what will come.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I'm not sure I see those similarities between the the
two people, young people who lost their lives to the
young man from Uzbekistan and the young woman who I
believe came from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's not as if there's little commonality geographically, and so
I'll be interested. I just hope that all of the
story comes out, that the authorities as well as the
university deal with us with transparency and where all adults,
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let's find out what this was about. Obviously it's going
to have to come up at trial if they if
they hope to, you know, convict anyone of this crime.
That's what I hope, And I know that there's certain
rumors going around, and I don't think that's helpful either.
I just think they should get to the bottom of
it as quickly as possible, make their arrest. It's not
an impossible case, but I think this is going to
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be a tough case this, this guy's he could be
anywhere in the world right now after four days, and
I hope that they realize that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know, I think something that's interesting that came up
today is that speaking about sort of theories that are
out there, is law enforcement was also kind of advising
people against any sort of AI images that could be
out there that are might just be distorting the images
that are out there that the police have put out there,
which is you know, a whole other layer to this
that maybe, you know, even two years ago or three
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years ago, we wouldn't have had. So there is certainly
a lot of misinformation. But you know, they're they're maintaining
that they're not discouraged at this point despite sort of
the lack of visual evidence that they can show us.
But yeah, I think we're just going to have to
wait and see you unfortunately, as.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Often we do. Colleen cron and the Boston Harrold appreciate
you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Thank you very much, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Very welcome. When we get back right after the news
at the bottom of the r we're going to talk
about and this is a think we've talked about before,
but how to disagree better how to chat with family
and friends about politics around the holidays. I mean, we
will be talking with Julia Minson. She's a Harvard Kennedy
School professor and a behavioral scientist. So if anyone can
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give us some help, I suspect it would be Professor
Julia Minson. Back with Professor Minson right after the news
at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's Night Side with Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
All Right, the holidays are approaching and just like a
Thanksgiving and at the fourth of July at Christmas, the
family tends to gather and oftentimes politics can be a
sore point with us. Is Professor Julia Minson at the
Harvard Kennedy School, professor and behavioral scientists, author of Builders Movement,
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a Builders Movement partner, which is a global initiative combat
extreme division and polarization. Well, you got a lot to
work with here, Professor Minson, because we have a lot
of division and polarization in this country right now and
have it for a few years. You have some tips
as to how we can avoid people throwing turkey legs
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across the table or flow the entire ham.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Well, that sounds like a good goal to be not
throwing turkey legs across the table is a good place
to start, sure, you know. Another really good place to
start is realizing that you are not going to win
an argument over the dinner table. It's just not going
to happen. We've learned from our research that when people
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feel serious about their belief it's about a one in
twenty chance that you're going to win something. So if
you're not going to win, why are you going through
all the drama?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right? Like?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
What are you trying to accomplish with having this conversation?
And So I think that's the number one question that
I would ask myself when I'm about to engage in
politics at the Christmas table.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think that most people
are set in their ways. I deal with it here
on the night side five nights a week, and it
doesn't matter. When I played Devil's Advocate and ask questions,
a lot of people don't even respond to the question.
It's like they just want to tell you why you're wrong.
(21:31):
For a long time, this has been with us now
for about ten years. I think it started in the
days of Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, or Donald Trump
versus Hillary Clinton and for a while, I was suggesting
to people, hey, where are your Trump buttons? Where you're
the big you know, Martha's vineyd Son hats that Hillary
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Clinton often wore, you know, let people know loud and
proud where you stand. Well, that didn't work, and I
think it's just gotten deeper and deeper as time has
gone on. How do you handle it at the Kennedy School.
I assume that you have a people over there, students
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who have different points of view? What's what is what's
the practice that you use in the classroom, and maybe
you let them go at it in the classroom because
that's what they're supposed to do. I'm not sure if
you've ever been able to get people talking to one
another as opposed to past one another.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Well, you know, I think you've got the timeline exactly right.
And we've been actually working for a few years at
the Kennedy School on creating a very robust program to
teach our students to disagree in a constructive way. So
I really think that, you know, a key skill of
a public policy maker and a public leader is to
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be able to, as you say, not talk past the
other person, because the whole reason you're talking to them
is because you need to do something together, right, Like,
if you didn't need them, you could just go do
the thing yourself. And so, you know, there's this choice
that I think people have been trying different methods over time.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
On one hand, we say, Okay, what's the strongest argument
I can make. I will wear my button and I
will fly my colors and I will kind of practice
my debate skills and win. The argument that hasn't worked.
Right on the flip side of it is I'm just
going to avoid it. I'm going to change the topic.
(23:33):
I'm going to let them believe whatever it is they
want to believe, and I will stay out of the drama.
And you know the problem with that approach is that
the drama still lives on in your head, right you
still feel you know, you still have or rehearsing that
argument in your head the entire time. So you know,
what we really find, you know, in line with our research,
(23:55):
is that there is a way to have constructive conversation
station when you decide that your goal is not to
persuade this person in this one conversation, right, if you
decide that your goal is to learn about each other's
perspective and to make the other person feel heard, then
(24:17):
you start getting somewhere. And that's really kind of the
program we've been building.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, I think that it was kind of a toxic
mix when you had and again, not to blame people,
but I'm going to blame people to have Hillary Clinton
referring to people as a bowl of deplorables half the country.
And you have Donald Trump reacting to Rob Reiner's murder
and the murder of his wife as well in that
(24:44):
post that he put up, and people are as watching today,
people defending that, and it's like that sort of language
is so extreme on both ends, there's no room for
conversation that would have happened, let's say many a go
between someone like Bill Buckley and John David Galbraith, just
(25:05):
what happened today?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Sadly, Well, I think what you're pointing out is leadership
really matters, right, Leadership really really matters. And what our
leader's model is what the rest of us pick up
that sort of sets the tone and sets the norms.
But the good news, and this is again what we
have found in our experiment, is that people imitate each
(25:29):
other's tone. And so even though our leaders have these
massive megaphones and can reach millions of people. Each one
of us has the ability to influence the tone in
every conversation we participate in. So if you want to
have a more civil discussion around your dinner table, or
(25:50):
on your work team or in your community, you can
model the behavior you want to see from others, and
psychology tells us that they are going to essentially copycat
the model that you set, So that gives every single
one of us a lot of power.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And even, for example, the relationships between President Reagan and
Tip O'Neil in the nineteen eighties. I mean they would fight,
disagree and all of that, but after hours they could
share a drink at the White House and I think
actually have a friendship. And I wish we had more
of that today, that's for sure. Professor Professor Julia Minsent
(26:29):
appreciate it very much. Is there a website that you'd
like to direct? You have a book, how to Disagree Better?
How can folks get a copy that? I assume Amazon
dot com.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, so my book How to Disagree Better is coming
out on March twenty fourth. You can find it anywhere
books are sold. I'm also part of the Builder's Movement,
which is a movement of people trying to find ways
to disagree constructively, and you can find them at builders
Movement dot org.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sounds great, And make sure that we get you back
before the book, just before the book publishes, and we
may well do an entire hour and maybe also involved callers,
which I think would be fun. If you're interested, keep.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Us, that would be fabulous. I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
All right, well, Professor Minston, I wish you great holidays,
whether you celebrate Hanukkah, Christmas, Kwanza, or Festivus fill in
the blank, happy holidays and whatever you celebrate.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Okay, you too, Thanks so much, Thank.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You very much. When we get back, we're going to
talk with Boston Globe sports reporter Kerrie Thompson, and we're
going to be talking about the Patriots and maybe a
little bit about the Celtics, but focus on the Patriots.
Where do they go from here? I think the season
still has some big positive surprises in store for all
(27:52):
of us. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're joined by Carrie Thompson. Carry I hope I know
I got Thompson right. I'm hoping I got Kyrie correct
as well.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
You got it perfect. You're pronouncing it beautifully, Dan.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
How are you. I'm doing great, Carrey, Welcome back to
Night Side. You've been with us before Tough Afternoon for
the Patriots Sunday afternoon against Buffalo, And I know in
Patriotsville there's a lot of people who are blaming the
refs on that game. Anything gonna come of that. There
were a lot of poems called the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
No, I'm not gonna blame the rest for that. I mean,
I'll blame the lack of a pass rush before I
blame the rest for that game. And also I blame
Drake May for the way he played before the rest too.
It wasn't his finest game. So I'm no, there's no
excuses for them. The bar is too high for them.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
At this point, it was still a close game. I
mean they lost by four, and after Henderson bounced off
that traffic jam, I've never seen that many defensive players.
If you could have thrown literally a towel had covered
most of the helmets of the Buffalo Bills. Was that
(29:08):
just a breakdown? I mean, Henderson was brilliant. He just
bounced and took off and and Drake May, to his credit,
was out there as the lead blocker keep it up
a little bit with Henderson actually, which was pleasantly surprising.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Oh yeah, I mean Travion credit to him for the
great vision on that on that play to cut that back.
And also for Drake, as you mentioned, just the hustle,
the combination of hustle and athleticism and just mindset right, Like,
that's what you want from your quarterback. You want someone
who's gonna get out there, lead and lead and be
out in front. If he's gonna walk, talk to talk
and he's gonna walk the walk. And he threw a
lead block. How about that?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah? As good as as good as Tom Brady was,
I don't think he could have done what Drake May did. No,
he was not a fleet of foot.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
No, no, no, wasn't even close.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, So what did they have to do? Let's talk
Sunday night, John in Baltimore against a read juvenated Baltimore
Raven's team that took it to Cincinnati last weekend, shut
him out and shut out Joe Burrows, a team that
you know that played the Patriots pretty well a few
weeks ago they better not be asleep in Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
The better they better not they I think they have
to get the run game going. They've been inconsistent with
it throughout the year. It's obviously you can see what
kind of a home run hit or Trevion is when
he gets some room to run. So that's going to
be a huge key because he can't be one dimensional
and Astak to throw it forty times. They did that,
you know, consistently throughout the year. But you know that's
(30:42):
that's not a recipe for success when it comes late
against good teams. And you know Baltimore is always physical,
they always love to hit. And you're facing you're facing
one of the one of seven players man to win
MVP under the age twenty four in Lamar Jackson. So
you know, Drake is vying to be in that conversation,
(31:03):
but Lamar is one of those guys that is so
you know you got to contain him as well.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And is he finally healthy? I know he's been hurt
for most of the season. What's the did they keep
him out long? Missed?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
So he missed practice today apparently it was it was
it was he was sick. It was an illness that
kept him out of practice today. But people have been
saying that he's he's missed. He's missed days routinely throughout
these last couple of weeks and still ended up playing.
But he was not at practice today, which is an
interesting footnote.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Well, uh, this this is a big one for for
the Pats. They they don't want to lose two in
a row. I mean, they got a couple of relatively
easy games to pick up with Miami and the Jets,
which I don't want to put those in the wind callum,
but I feel good about those games. The Baltimore game
on a Sunday night troubles me a little bit. I
(31:56):
don't even know what the points spread is. I'm assuming
Baltimore's going to be a one or two point favorite
because they're at home.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
That's a good question. I actually haven't checked the betting numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, okay, that's that's fine and real quickly. I know
that you covered the Celtics a lot as well. I'm
surprised pleased with the Celtics. They look like a much
better team than maybe most of us thought come a
training camp last September. This team is they lost to
the Pistons last night. But the Pistons are a good team,
(32:26):
maybe one of the best in the league. I think
the Celtics are only going to get better. Any chance
that Jason Tatum might make a late season appearance for
this team, I saw that in the paper the other day.
I'm not sure if it was your article.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Sure, So Brad Stevens actually talked about that this today
and he was saying that, you know, ultimately it's going
to be Tatum's decision, and he's going to come back,
you know, when he's percent healthy and feeling comfortable, and
also after he's hit some some thresholds Brad called them.
You know, there are some strength tests they need to
do with them he needs to be able to pass.
(33:02):
They're gonna need to ramp things up from unscripted things
in practice to you know, from scripted to unscripted to
you know, finally being able to just play in freelance.
So he's got several bars that he needs to hit
and it doesn't and it sounds like he's like several
steps away. It's not like it's an impending return. But
Brad all the point Brad also made it it was
(33:23):
he's like they could have applied for a disabled player
exception and tried to get someone else with some of
the salary money that they are paying Tatum this year,
and they didn't do that. So that that speaks to
me saying a little bit that there is some hope
that he might be able to come back down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, I'll tell you it would be a tremendous athletic boost,
but also a psychological booster this team. I think it
will be boy if all of a sudden in March
he starts to play and play, well, let me tell you,
this team might go a lot deeper into the playoffs
(34:03):
than anybody ever ever could have possibly imagined. Karee, thank
you so much for joining us tonight and talking to
a couple of sports. Maybe we'll get to get you
on the Red Sox soon, because obviously they haven't made
the big move yet. They've got a couple of moves,
a couple of pictures which I kind of like, but
I think they've got to make some moves more. They
have to make some more moves between now, certainly in
(34:26):
the beginning of the year. Thanks Kree, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Thanks man, I'd love it.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Talking Fox would be a dream.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It'll be a little closer to spring as well. Thank
you so much, appreciate it very much. We are now
standing by for the President's speech, which will come from
the Oval Office. We are within about a minute and
a half of it, so stay with us. We will
talk more about President Trump's speech with you right after.
If you like what you hear, we want to hear
from you. If you think you don't like what you hear,
(34:55):
we'd want to hear from you as well. Stay with
us right here at night side
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