December 18, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
MIT professor fatally shot at his Brookline home. The latest in this investigation. Part 1
Guest: Emily Sweeney – Boston Globe reporter
Swiftynomics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy. Swift isn’t just a pop culture icon; she’s a case study in strategic leadership, brand economics, and the financial power of women as workers, consumers, and creators.
Guest: Misty Heggeness – economist - co-director of the Kansas Population Center, Associate Professor of Economics and Public Affairs at the University of Kansas, and former Principal Economist and Senior Advisor at the US Census Bureau
Tips to protect your veins during holiday travel.
Guest: Dr. Evan Harris - specializes in vascular interventional radiology at Center for Vein Restoration
MIT professor fatally shot at his Brookline home. The alleged killer is found. The latest in this investigation. Part 2.
Guest: Ed Davis - Former Boston Police Commissioner
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston News
Radio COBOD Evening.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
There's a lot going on tonight and we have a
lot to cover, so please stay with us. If you
are been away from your television or from your radio
for the last few hours, I think you know that
there is now a man hunt that has focused on
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some sort of a storage center up in the Massachusetts
Salem New Hampshire line. And it is believed from all
the observations that perhaps the suspect in the Brown University
shooting who now is being linked to the situation that
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took place in Brookline on Monday night, the shooting death
of a and I'm a very important MIT professor, may
be linked and maybe at this point by police. So
we're going to follow that here on Nightside the News
to problem will stay on top of it. We will
get you whatever information you need. You will miss nothing,
trust me on that. In the meantime, let me introduce myself.
(01:12):
Tell you I'm Dan Ray, the host of Nights. I'd
heard here every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight.
Rob Brooks is back in the control room. He will
set you up and I believe that our producer Marita
aka Lady Lightning, who lives in New Hampshire, has been
in contact with our newsroom as well as a lot
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of activity, not only on the ground police activity, but
also police helicopter activity. So we're going to cover all
of that. And it just so happens that ironically tonight
is our other every other Thursday night, and we welcome
Emily Sweeney of the Boston.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Globe to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And normally when we talk with Emily Sweeney we are
talking about a cold case file. Well, for the last
or so Emily has switched her focus to the to
the murder of the mi I T Professor Professor Nuno Lurero,
and Emily joins us tonight not to talk about a
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cold case, but a case that is very active and ongoing. Emily,
Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
How are you this evening?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Excellent, Dan, thanks so much for having me on. There's
a lot going on even as we speak, a lot
different from a cold case.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Absolutely, we'll get back to the cold case matters probably
in the new year, which is going to be with
us faster than we that we ordinarily would think.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But how do you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Again, I'm asking these questions unscripted, how did the authorities
They apparently are are linking this on the record to
a number of news organizations that they believe that this
suspect in Providence was also involved in the and the
brutal murder of the MIT professor. And by the way,
this MIT professor is MIT has confirmed is the director
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of the school's Plasma Science and Fusion Center as well
as a professor of nuclear science and Engineering and physics.
So this is not just some run of the mill
college professor.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Here.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Tell us what you know about if you know about
the purported linkage between these two horrific crimes.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, so you know the murder of Nuno Lomerero. He's
the director, as you said, of one of the MIT's
largest labs, and he's very well known in his field.
The president of Portugal, the country where he's from, even
put out a statement, you know, you know, in the
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aftermath of the fatal shooting that took his life. You know,
everybody in the scientific community, everybody's been shocked. And the
what's interesting is that the shooting at Brown University, you know,
what happened inside the Engineering and Physics building. When we
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checked in with the feds just I think it was
even yesterday they were still saying there was no connection,
no evidence of the connection, you know, But today they're
teamn changed and they said they you know, the law
enforcement officials were saying on the record that you know,
they were exploring a possible link between the Brown shooting
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and the murder of Nuno.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
There's a huge jump between exploring the possible the possible
possibility of a connection.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
My understanding from the reports I'm hearing tonight is that
they have said that, yeah, this is the guy we
want for both of these and I'm sure that at
some point we will find out in that maybe that
news conference that was scared schedule for four pm, but
obviously circumstances have changed and that has been put off
indefinitely and probably may not happen for tonight or even tomorrow.
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But if there is an arrest tonight, obviously they're going
to have to say something. Any idea as to is
this vehicle that that there's this rented car that I've
been hearing so much about, uh that might have provided
some linkage between these uh these to these two horrible crimes.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, that's the thought, and that's a lot of media reporting.
I've seen a lot of media reports about it. Right
now as we speak, we have a glib report up
in Salem, New Hampshire at a storage facility that's right
on the border of like Sewing, but it's in Salem,
New Hampshire, and there's tons of law enforcement there, including
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offices wearing Providence Police Department bests surrounding the storage ability.
And you know, we're going to be finding out a
lot more actually in the coming minutes probably. I've heard
that the press conference will be happening tonight. They haven't
set a time, but.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They've reportedly said, hey, look we will definitely have a
news conference, but obviously definitely sometimes can if it's at
two o'clock, three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning, they
might say we're going to push it into eight tomorrow morning.
But we're waiting, obviously, if they're negotiating. The police officers
seem to be on the television stations that I'm moving
around and watching, even while I'm doing the show, the
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police officers they're standing and they seem to be in
a fairly relaxed position. So, not knowing anything about that
storage facility, my suspicion is that he must be somehow
contained to an area where he cannot do any damage.
And I would assume that if he is indeed in there,
and the presence of the police would suggest that someone's
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in there, that there may be conversations going on where
they want to make sure, if possible, that this suspect
surrenders and does not either harm himself or try to
harm other police officers, because whatever information that he will
have would die with him, whereas opposed, if they can
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actually arrest him, he may be a font of information
and they may be able to cut a bit of
a deal with him, depending upon who else might be
involved and whether this was someone. Initially, my instinct was, oh,
this must be some dispute between you know, some couple.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But then when you had the mit, it's it has
befuddled all of us.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Everybody keeps saying, this is very reminiscent of the twenty
thirteen marathon bombing and the days that follow that, all
of the you know, the indecision, and finally the shootout
and the capture of these suspects, of the one suspect,
one of whom diedly. I hope you're going to stick
on this for a while. We may check in with
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you later on tonight. We have a regularly scheduled program
all set to go. But if there are breaking news
on this, we will we will, we will get back
on the air and we'll have people on it as well.
But uh, if if you have any more information, to
give Rob a call and I'll put you on anytime.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Okay, you know that sounds great. Dan and the Globe
we have a running live blog with you know, little
like every everything that we're getting we're posting up there
on the live blog once we confirm it. So that's
just probably we're going to be finding out a lot
more soon.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's for those who are the uninitiated. That probably is
either Boston dot com or Boston Globe dot com.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I assume yep, Boston Globe dot com. You can find
it right there. It's on the front page.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Emily, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
As I say, it's this is one of those stories
that it's it's tragic. It's going to eventually be fascinating
to find out what prop did any individual or individuals
to do this, uh in this in this time, it's
it's just it's it's frightening because you just you just
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don't understand how some people's minds work. This is a
This has been a tough week for Rhode Island and
a tough week for Brookline, Massachusetts. And hopefully we're going
to get a little closure in the next few hours.
Thanks Emily. We'll talk soon. And if I don't talk
to you, have great holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
Happy Honka, happy Kwansa, happy everything.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, thanks everyone, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Dan, We'll talk later, thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
When we get back, we are going to be talking
about swifty nomics with an economist, co director of the
Kansas Population Center and Associate Professor of Economics and Public
Affairs at the University of Kansas. And by the way,
I will remind you that at nine o'clock tonight we
expect to be talking with a great Boston based author.
He is a nationally known author, but Boston based, William Martin.
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He has written so many great books and one that
we're going to talk about tonight is December nineteen forty one.
It is a historical thriller that takes place eighty four
months ago, well eighty four decembers ago. I should say
eighty four Decembers ago, and it's a.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Brilliant, an amazing read.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We'll talk to to William Martin and also later on
tonight we are scheduled at ten o'clock to sort of
have a little bit of an ongoing conversation to debate
about public surveillance and security cameras versus the right to privacy.
And never before have the need for security cameras in
(10:45):
public place has been more evident than the last week.
We'll talk with about all of that tonight on night.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Side Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We're continuing to walk much the developments in southern New
Hampshire and Salem in New Hampshire where a huge police
turnout apparently has a storage facility surrounded, which would suggest
to me that there may be a person or persons
inside that storage facility who they are looking for. We'll
keep we'll keep you posting on that. In the meantime,
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I like to welcome a professor, Misty Heganis. She's an economist,
uh and she is an associate professor of Economics and
Public Affairs at the.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
University of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I always get the University of Kansas and Kansas State
University mixed up?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So are you the folks? Are you the which which
one are you? In terms of.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, so we're the University of Kansas. There is a
big rivalry between the two. Kansas State University is the
Land Grant University of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
At the University of Kansas, what's your uh? What's the
nickname of the team? I know I will know that
more by the nicknames of your sports teams.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
We are the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, I know what the Jayhawks are. Okay, now we
know good.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I just wanted to I didn't want to make
the mistake and accuse you of being a different school
in Kansas.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
On the other side, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I got it. Okay. So Swifty Nomics have this.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
The theory is how women mastermind and redefine our economy.
That Swift isn't just a pop culture icon. She's a
case study of strategic leadership, brand economics, and the financial
power of women as workers, consumers, and creators. I agree,
But there have been some great women in entertainment. I
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think of Share and Beyonce and Mariah Carey, who for
years and years and years have I think, actually been
Swifty before before, before Swifty, Is she just breaking all
the records at this point, Is Taylor Swift just so
far and above all those who have come before?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So, I mean I would first say that I don't
think that there's a limited amount of seats at the
table for women in the entertainment industry who have really
you know, yeah, it kind of pushed boundaries and you know,
really took advantage of their talent. I think Taylor is
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one of many. You know, Beyonce makes an appearance in
my book, as well as Madonna. So I think there's
a lot to be learned from all of these women.
I just in particular decided to focus on Taylor because
I was writing this book during the pandemic, and she was,
you know, during the pandemic, producing albums while the rest
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of us were struggling, you know, just to make a
sandwich for lunch. And I just thought that she was
really an amazing example of determination and perseverance. So yeah,
well sure, I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Mean, look, I know that there have been you know,
great women, uh actresses, comedians, you think you know, go
back to Luci o'ball and uh Joan Rivers. I mean,
in every area obviously, Taylor Swift is a phenomenal uh entertainer,
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a worldwide superstar. I just didn't know if if the
glass ceiling that the meta I'll use the metaphor that
she broke through is the highest glass ceiling in terms
of ticket sales.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Money earned or whatever?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Or yes?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Or is it? Is it her style? What? What?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
What makes her in your mind, as you know, as
an economics professor stand out so so much obviously an entertainer.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, she now has crossed over into the football
industry with this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
There's this football team near near you guys called the
Kansas City Chiefs, which unfortunately not going to make the
playoffs this year. But she has this tight end boyfriend,
Travis Kelcey, who himself had a.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Little bit of a pretty good following as well.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It just seems that uh, swift Mania has kind of
absorbed the country for the last couple of years. Uh,
and and put a lot of the other great female
entertainers not on the back shelf, but kind of a
little bit to the side. I mean, she's dominated for
the last two years.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I Mean one of the things that Taylor has always
done well in her career is you know, she really
does follow her own kind of authenticity and tries very
strategically to really connect with her fans. And she's done
this since the beginning. So, you know, when she started
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in the industry, she wanted to get into country and
she wanted to write songs about the experience of teenage girls,
and you know, country executives were more or less kind
of not interested in that because they had never thought
of teenage girl as a market that was worth exploring.
And you know, she just continues throughout her career to
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really tap into her own experiences in her lifetime at
that moment to really connect with fans who are also
experiencing something similar. And so I think it's that emotional
attachment that fans have to her that really sets her apart.
And you know, the other kind of component about Taylor
that's so impressive is she really doesn't take no for
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an answer, So she's pretty persistent. You can see that
with the when her earlier records were sold and she
lost control of them. You know, she could have just said, Okay,
well that's that, but she didn't. You know, she went
into this whole re record process us and now that
has come back and she's been you know, she was
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purchased her old catalogue you know, this past year, and
so her persistence really has paid off for her and
then her just her authenticity and writing stories about life
experiences that she's having and then connecting that with her audience,
you know, have just been strategies that have been really
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successful for her.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think she was also correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't cover you know, music as I do mostly politics, economics,
current events, things like that. But I believe that she
was kind of in the forefront of the battle between
some of the secondary ticket selling market marketers and who
were getting between her and her fans and tickets that
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they were able to purchase at a venue and freeze
and then resell at immense profits, basically making immense amount
of money off of Taylor Swift's authenticity and her creativity,
and that she got involved to fight that and to
cut out that middleman, the middle ticket sellers, if you will,
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who themselves were making money, so that she could deal
more directly with her fans in terms of ticket sales.
Am I misreading that or am I accurate on that?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
That's correct. So if you think about what happened with
the erascour and actually I have a personal experience with this,
but she did, you know, instigate some sort of pre
sale for fans. So fans had to register in advance.
It was still three ticket Master, but they had to
register in advance, and then they got some of them
got a code, and then with the code, when the
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day when the pre sale tickets went on sale, fans
had this code could go in and buy up to
six tickets, and both tickets were I think aetnywhere between
ninety nine dollars to four hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Those were Those were the rates that she was selling
these tickets at. I got in the pre sale, I
went in and I purchased six tickets for ninety nine
(19:08):
dollars and I ended up selling two of them at
face value to a colleague of mint at work. And
then I sold another two and for like double the price,
so you know whatever, two hundred each, and I went
with my daughter for free, you know. And then who
knows if that person.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
An economy you're an economics professor.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You figured that out, all right, So look, yeah, do
you have a book out now that we're going to
talk about Is swifty Nomics more than just a fancy
names of the title of your book.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's the title of my book. It comes out January
twenty seventh. You can pre order it now, and it's
a book about women in the economy and how women
thrive in an economy that essentially wasn't built for with
their needs in mind. So I talk a lot about
women throughout history. I look at the data. It's a
data driven book, and I give a lot of anecdotes
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about Taylor.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Of course, well that's what's going to sell the book.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
The data might be great, I might like it, you
might like it, but I think the anecdotes about Taylor,
just you know, as a as an amateur economist, I
think that that will drive the sales of your book.
So it's it's swifty Nomics, all one word, how women
mastermind and redefine our economy. So Professor hagenis thanks for
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joining us. I assume that's all available through Amazon. Do
you have your own website as well or is it
just a pre order through Amazon?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, well you can. There's a website swifteen Nomics. You
can go there, but it's also on Amazon, Barnes and
Noble a lot of local indie stores once the book
gets released on the twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, we'd like to call those mortar and brick stores.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So that's there.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You go.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Knows what you mean by that. Well go jay Hawks.
I hope you're doing. You're going to have a great season,
whatever sport you're rooting for a fair in Kansas. Thanks
very much. I enjoy talking with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Thanks, I appreciate it. Take care of that.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Okay, we have just actually lost one of our guests tonight,
so our conversation about the death of Rob Reiner and
his wife may happen tomorrow night. We will be a decision
that producer Lightning will make. We don't like to have
a guest drop out. But we're going to be talking
with doctor Evan Harris coming up on the other side
(21:24):
about tips to protect your veins during holiday travel. So
if you're going to be on a plane or a train,
or a boat or a car or a canoe, you
got to think about your vascular system. And that's we
will talk with doctor Evan Harris about. And we are
keeping our eye on what is going on up in
New Hampshire up on the Massachusetts, New Hampshire line at
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some sort of a storage warehouse, and it looks as
if the authorities have surrounded this building. And we'll get
you a news update as well as we'll keep our
eye on it. In addition, coming back on Nightside right
after the news break. In just a few minutes, you're.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Okay, Well, with the big Christmas vacation, Honiker is winding down,
Christmas is ramping up. You have a Kwanza, the Festivus poll,
whatever you're celebrating, it may involve travel. And of course
right after the holidays of December, we have the first
of the year in the new year, ringing twenty twenty six,
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and some people be traveling by plane, by boat, by
the airplane, by car.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Who knows by canoe with us is doctor Evan Davis.
He's with the Center for vane Restoration. Doctor Davis. Welcome
to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
I'm good?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'll do it great?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Thank you for joining us. You specialize in vascular interventional
radiology at the Center for Vein Restoration. Where was the
vein restoration located the Center for Veine Restoration where you located.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
We well, my offices are in Glastonbury, Connecticut and middle Town, Connecticut.
We have we're a multi regional company, so we actually
have one hundred and twenty offices country.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, great, Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So I know that when people travel, particularly for long
at long periods of time, you know, into continental flights,
one of the things they need to do is to
not just sit.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But they got to be able to move.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
A little bit, keep the blood flowing for the for
the veins, particularly in their legs. If I'm correct on that,
and you can amplify I can't think of anybody who
could amplify that concern.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And what needs to be done to abate that concern.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Then you and like to turn it over here right
now to to tell me how true this is and
and what can people do to prevent problems?
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Well, you're spot on, and you know it's all about
traveling and having fun, but doing it safely. And for
the vast majority of people traveling, we don't have to
fear normal travel routines, but a couple of little hints
just keep us a little bit more safe. And exactly
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as you said, movement is really where it all starts.
Whether that's getting up every hour or two and just
doing a little stretch and a little walk, or just
pumping those calf muscles in your seat, however you're going
to do it. We just want that calf muscle complex
to sort of fire that blood back up towards the
heart so it doesn't just huddle in our legs. And
(24:47):
with that, we want to just stay nicely hydrated. And
if it's a real long haul flight and you know
you're going to be immobilized to some degree for hours,
you maybe want to consider investing in some knee high
compression sucks.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And I assume that folks who are perhaps as I'd
like to say, on the wrong side of fifty, may
be more concerned about that than people who are in
their twenties or thirties.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Again, if this is a test, you're getting them all right.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
So yeah, age, we.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Can say being overweight, you know, obesity, certain hormonal supplements
and conditions can do that as well as having some
restrictions and the movements. Certainly, people unfortunately who have a
diagnosis of cancer or other serious medical conditions, but for
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the vast majority of Americans, this is fairly rare.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
I mean, you're.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Talking one in several thousand, but you know, millions of
people fly, so it will happen, and it's best to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't script questions, so if you know, great, if
I'm asking question that is beyond your knowledge base, feel
free to tell me that that's not a great question.
Are the airlines, particularly on long flights, long haul flights
from here, tom where of course the New England who's
like you, so we're in Boston, but from somewhere like
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if you're flying from New York to Hawaii NonStop? Are
the flight attendants going to tell you get back in
your seat, you copy walking up and.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Down the aisle?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Or will they understand that it's something that people should
really participate in or do a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Of You know, it's interesting, you know, I obviously, just
like you just said, I'm not a spokesman for the airlines.
I don't know how many of how many people actually
think about this or even really put it in front
and center in their mind. And there are a lot
of things that we need to do to fly safe,
right we all know those rules, and there are certain
(26:55):
times when you can't get up in the battle of course. Yeah,
there's plenty of opportunity unity for all of us just
to be safe, stay hydrated, think about the compression, and
again there's plenty opportunity to do this kef muscle pumps
even in your seat, just you know, flex those toes
up and the heels down and back and forth. Just
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you know, for thirty seconds a minute, you're really going
to get some good circulation going to get you through
the flight.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, thanks very much. I do appreciate.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Is there a website that we could send some folks
too if they have not comprehended precisely everything we've talked about.
I'm just wondering if the Center for Veined Restoration has
an easy website that people might check in on tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Yeah, well, if they, if they google the Center for
Van Restoration dot com, the website will just pop up
and they can just click on it and just go
straight to it. And you know, again, if they're in Connecticut,
they're glad to reach out to me or any of
our partners physicians in there are those in mass and
Connecticut and New Hampshire as well.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sounds great. I really do appreciate it. Thank you so much.
On doctor Harris.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I appreciate you stepping up and filling in this segment
for us. We're going to talk in just a couple
of moments with former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis, who
of course was in the leadership of the search for
the Boston bombers back at the Marathon bombing in twenty thirteen,
and we'll get some of the latest on what's going up.
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There's a crazy story going on up in New Hampshire
to NITIS. I'm sure you have heard about. I think
that they have actually figured out who the person was
that engaged in that murderous mayhem last weekend at Brown University.
But I do thank you for being available for us
as well, Doctor Evan Harris. Thanks doctor Harris. Okay, thank
you very much. We will be talking with Ed Davis,
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former Boston Police commission in just a couple of minutes
after this break. He will have insights better than anyone
on what's going on up in the Massachusetts New Hampshire.
I think they're in Salem, New Hampshire. But I also
some of this is stretching into MATHU and coming back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's Nightside with Dan ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We're delighted and honored to be joined by former Boston
Police Commissioner At Davis. And Davis, of course, was in
charge of the Boston Police Department back in twenty thirteen
at the time of the Boston Marathon bombing, and he
was very much involved in solving that horrific case. At Davis,
welcome back to Nightside. Another similar scene, I guess is
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unfolding tonight up and up in Salem, New Hampshire. How
are you, my friend, I'm good, Dan.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Great to talk to you. Yeah, it does bring back
a lot of memories of a Thursday night twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh, I was there. I remember you were there.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Mayor Menino was there and when all hell broke loose
and it's been pretty quiet. Look, I know you're not
involved in this investigation. I know that you have great sources,
my sources in television, in my rear view mirror. So
I just want to sit back and have you tell
us what you think is transpiring from what you've seen.
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I have some thoughts, but I'm much more interested in
what your thoughts are here.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I know that some.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Of it has to be speculation, but that's a huge
turnout of police.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Uh at that at this building.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It looks like it's some sort of a storage warehouse,
either in Salem or also in Salem and across someone
across the line in the thun give us whatever information
you your cape, you're prepared, or you've been allowed you'd
be allowed to share with us.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Sure, well, well, thank you. Clearly it was a huge
break in the last twenty four hours. The first incident
happened in uh In uh you know, on on last
week on a Saturday, and then you have five days
later with them were most of the evidence is primarily
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coming from coming from video that was downloaded, and that
usually is the first thing that they start to go after.
But we also know that they have DNA evidence. We
also know they have ballistics evidence. So all of that
information is being compiled and put together. But there weren't
any suspects coming out. There was a second man that
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was identified. They wanted to talk to him. My information
is that they've met him and he's not a suspect.
He might have been a witness. So they really kind
of hit a dead end in Providence. Then the second
attack happened, and the first information we got was is
absolutely no connection. The FBI were very clear on that
there's no connection between the two, but apparently that's all
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changed in the last twenty four hours. So I have
to assume that the information that's cracking this case may
have come from the second incident. Where you're in Boston,
the density of cameras and you know, places you can
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go for clues is much as much improved over what
you have in Rhode Island. But you know, whether it's
Rhode Island or Brookline that popped the case wide open,
somebody got information that put them onto this guy, and
now they're in Salem, and it looks like there's search
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warrants being executed up there where we will get even
more information.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, just to follow on and and I'll ask questions.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
If I ask anything that's out of bounds, you know,
throw the red flag on me here. But let's assume
I'm going to make a bit of an assumption and
if I'm way off base, correctly, if I'm wrong, I
assume the shellcasings left at both both crime scenes. Could
the FBI get those shell casings compared as quickly as
to put them together? Obviously one was on Saturday afternoon,
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second event is Monday night. Today's Thursday night. It looks
to me like something clicked sometime early this afternoon. Would
that timeline be suggested that maybe shellcasings the two separate
scenes matched up.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yeah, I don't have any information of that being the case.
In I will tell you that procedurally, showcasing comparison can
be done fairly quickly, and I'm sure that was one
of the first things that they did. So, if in fact,
there were shellcasings at the Brookline location, I'm sure that
they put that together very quickly. The FBI is expert
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at that and they can do it very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, and again
I'm picking your brain as I used to do as
a TV reporter. Just looking at this video, you're not
on the ground there. There looks like there are dozens
of police cars and dozens of police officers. They did
not in positions with long guns pointed at a building.
They seem to be standing around waiting for something to transpire.
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What does that posture indicate to you?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Well, there was clearly something happening around four thirty five o'clock.
There were hundreds of police cars heading from Boston up
towards up ninety three. One of my guys was out
on the highway and saw them going by. There's reports
of helicopters up there as well, so there was clearly,
you know, a full court press of law enforcement heading
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in that area. As to how they got there, I
don't have the answer to that. But what I see
now from the air, from the coverage that we're getting
over the television, is that there appear to be technical
investigators there around the vehicle. And it's hard to tell
if they're EOD or bomb squad guys, but that would
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be the first protocol that the would follow, and then
they would start to follow a protocol around the recovery
of evidence and see during whatever's in that vehicle. So
there's clearly something big going on there. At what it is,
we'll just have to wait for the press conference.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Is your understanding, And I know this afternoon they were
saying four o'clock. Then they said, well it'll be later,
and then at one point I heard that they will
definitely have a press conference tonight. This was before all
of this activity, which reinforced in my mind that something
was afoot. Clearly we're looking at what is a foot
and that is all these police officers and police cars
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in Salem, New Hampshire. Do you think they get to
a point tonight where they just, let's say, maintain a
circumference at the building around the building and they say, look,
let's reconvene tomorrow at eight o'clock. Or this is the
sort of scene from your experience, that they're going to
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work through the night here and they're going to find
everything that They're going to leave nothing to chance, not
a lot that if there is someone in that building
who they need to talk to, they're going to search
it and they're going to make sure that they get
everything least every last thing out of this this exercise tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That they can.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think more of the latter, Dan, you and I
have both been involved in situations that were unfolding, and
you schedule a press conference and then something happens and
something else comes in and you have to keep delaying
and delaying at this and there's always pressure to get
the information out there, But in an unfolding situation, it
would be you'd be remissing in trying to putting out
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bad information. So it sounds like this is really rolling right, now,
and they're just putting things off until they have really
certain answers to the questions this. This is going to
be a brutal press conference tonight whenever they have it,
because everybody has bits and pieces of information, and they're
going to be they're going to be required to sort
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of put the bed rumors that aren't true and then
to get out whatever information they can get out without
without blocking the case or causing problems with the case.
On the question about working overnight, uh, you know, we
have access to lighting trucks and everything you need to
continue to work on the scene. There's no way they're
going to leave it unless in the unlikely situation that
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there was a suspect somewhere and they want to lock
it down and they come in in the morning. That's
the only time we'd see them pulled back. If it's
if it's if the suspect is there or there's evidence
in that vehicle, they're going to get the evidence as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating to see this transpire live.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
As you know.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Again, I know that the law enforcement, many of the
agencies were criticized pretty heavily for wandering news conferences earlier
in the week. I think maybe they too much too
many news conferences schedule, but for me as a reporter
to say that, but they didn't have much to offer.
But tonight it looks as if their patience is paying off.
(38:11):
And I got my spidy sense, and I'm sure you
have much better spidy sense that I do. Is that
we're we're moving very quickly towards a conclusion here and
that that hopefully a lot of people can will be
able to put their heads on their pillow tonight with
a little more comfort than they did last the last
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few nights. And Davis, so thank you so much for
joining us. I know you are a much sought after
a guest tonight by television networks, and I appreciate that
you've been able to carve out a few minutes for us,
and I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
My friend.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Oh sorry, good man, take care. Thanks your covering.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Thank you so much. All right, we get back.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We are going to keep our eye on what's going
on in New Hampshire, but we are going to talk
with William Martin.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
He's a guy that has had a.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Brilliant career and the career is not over any stretch
of the imagination. Catholic Memorial Graduate in nineteen sixty eight,
Harvard graduate who went to Film School at USC and
has spent his life writing spellbinding thrillers, many of which
are based in New England. We'll talk with William Martin
(39:18):
and if you'd like to take calls and talk to
a real live author who has made a great living
at doing what he loves to do, and that is
right thrillers.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We'll be back right after this
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston News
Radio COBOD Evening.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
There's a lot going on tonight and we have a
lot to cover, so please stay with us. If you
are been away from your television or from your radio
for the last few hours, I think you know that
there is now a man hunt that has focused on
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some sort of a storage center up in the Massachusetts
Salem New Hampshire line. And it is believed from all
the observations that perhaps the suspect in the Brown University
shooting who now is being linked to the situation that
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took place in Brookline on Monday night, the shooting death
of a and I'm a very important MIT professor, may
be linked and maybe at this point by police. So
we're going to follow that here on Nightside the News
to problem will stay on top of it. We will
get you whatever information you need. You will miss nothing,
trust me on that. In the meantime, let me introduce myself.
(01:12):
Tell you I'm Dan Ray, the host of Nights. I'd
heard here every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight.
Rob Brooks is back in the control room. He will
set you up and I believe that our producer Marita
aka Lady Lightning, who lives in New Hampshire, has been
in contact with our newsroom as well as a lot
(01:33):
of activity, not only on the ground police activity, but
also police helicopter activity. So we're going to cover all
of that. And it just so happens that ironically tonight
is our other every other Thursday night, and we welcome
Emily Sweeney of the Boston.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Globe to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And normally when we talk with Emily Sweeney we are
talking about a cold case file. Well, for the last
or so Emily has switched her focus to the to
the murder of the mi I T Professor Professor Nuno Lurero,
and Emily joins us tonight not to talk about a
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cold case, but a case that is very active and ongoing. Emily,
Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
How are you this evening?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Excellent, Dan, thanks so much for having me on. There's
a lot going on even as we speak, a lot
different from a cold case.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Absolutely, we'll get back to the cold case matters probably
in the new year, which is going to be with
us faster than we that we ordinarily would think.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But how do you.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Again, I'm asking these questions unscripted, how did the authorities
They apparently are are linking this on the record to
a number of news organizations that they believe that this
suspect in Providence was also involved in the and the
brutal murder of the MIT professor. And by the way,
this MIT professor is MIT has confirmed is the director
(03:07):
of the school's Plasma Science and Fusion Center as well
as a professor of nuclear science and Engineering and physics.
So this is not just some run of the mill
college professor.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Here.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Tell us what you know about if you know about
the purported linkage between these two horrific crimes.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, so you know the murder of Nuno Lomerero. He's
the director, as you said, of one of the MIT's
largest labs, and he's very well known in his field.
The president of Portugal, the country where he's from, even
put out a statement, you know, you know, in the
(03:52):
aftermath of the fatal shooting that took his life. You know,
everybody in the scientific community, everybody's been shocked. And the
what's interesting is that the shooting at Brown University, you know,
what happened inside the Engineering and Physics building. When we
(04:15):
checked in with the feds just I think it was
even yesterday they were still saying there was no connection,
no evidence of the connection, you know, But today they're
teamn changed and they said they you know, the law
enforcement officials were saying on the record that you know,
they were exploring a possible link between the Brown shooting
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and the murder of Nuno.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
There's a huge jump between exploring the possible the possible
possibility of a connection.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
My understanding from the reports I'm hearing tonight is that
they have said that, yeah, this is the guy we
want for both of these and I'm sure that at
some point we will find out in that maybe that
news conference that was scared schedule for four pm, but
obviously circumstances have changed and that has been put off
indefinitely and probably may not happen for tonight or even tomorrow.
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But if there is an arrest tonight, obviously they're going
to have to say something. Any idea as to is
this vehicle that that there's this rented car that I've
been hearing so much about, uh that might have provided
some linkage between these uh these to these two horrible crimes.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, that's the thought, and that's a lot of media reporting.
I've seen a lot of media reports about it. Right
now as we speak, we have a glib report up
in Salem, New Hampshire at a storage facility that's right
on the border of like Sewing, but it's in Salem,
New Hampshire, and there's tons of law enforcement there, including
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offices wearing Providence Police Department bests surrounding the storage ability.
And you know, we're going to be finding out a
lot more actually in the coming minutes probably. I've heard
that the press conference will be happening tonight. They haven't
set a time, but.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They've reportedly said, hey, look we will definitely have a
news conference, but obviously definitely sometimes can if it's at
two o'clock, three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning, they
might say we're going to push it into eight tomorrow morning.
But we're waiting, obviously, if they're negotiating. The police officers
seem to be on the television stations that I'm moving
around and watching, even while I'm doing the show, the
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police officers they're standing and they seem to be in
a fairly relaxed position. So, not knowing anything about that
storage facility, my suspicion is that he must be somehow
contained to an area where he cannot do any damage.
And I would assume that if he is indeed in there,
and the presence of the police would suggest that someone's
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in there, that there may be conversations going on where
they want to make sure, if possible, that this suspect
surrenders and does not either harm himself or try to
harm other police officers, because whatever information that he will
have would die with him, whereas opposed, if they can
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actually arrest him, he may be a font of information
and they may be able to cut a bit of
a deal with him, depending upon who else might be
involved and whether this was someone. Initially, my instinct was, oh,
this must be some dispute between you know, some couple.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But then when you had the mit, it's it has
befuddled all of us.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Everybody keeps saying, this is very reminiscent of the twenty
thirteen marathon bombing and the days that follow that, all
of the you know, the indecision, and finally the shootout
and the capture of these suspects, of the one suspect,
one of whom diedly. I hope you're going to stick
on this for a while. We may check in with
(08:03):
you later on tonight. We have a regularly scheduled program
all set to go. But if there are breaking news
on this, we will we will, we will get back
on the air and we'll have people on it as well.
But uh, if if you have any more information, to
give Rob a call and I'll put you on anytime.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Okay, you know that sounds great. Dan and the Globe
we have a running live blog with you know, little
like every everything that we're getting we're posting up there
on the live blog once we confirm it. So that's
just probably we're going to be finding out a lot
more soon.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's for those who are the uninitiated. That probably is
either Boston dot com or Boston Globe dot com.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I assume yep, Boston Globe dot com. You can find
it right there. It's on the front page.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Emily, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
As I say, it's this is one of those stories
that it's it's tragic. It's going to eventually be fascinating
to find out what prop did any individual or individuals
to do this, uh in this in this time, it's
it's just it's it's frightening because you just you just
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don't understand how some people's minds work. This is a
This has been a tough week for Rhode Island and
a tough week for Brookline, Massachusetts. And hopefully we're going
to get a little closure in the next few hours.
Thanks Emily. We'll talk soon. And if I don't talk
to you, have great holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
Happy Honka, happy Kwansa, happy everything.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, thanks everyone, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Dan, We'll talk later, thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
When we get back, we are going to be talking
about swifty nomics with an economist, co director of the
Kansas Population Center and Associate Professor of Economics and Public
Affairs at the University of Kansas. And by the way,
I will remind you that at nine o'clock tonight we
expect to be talking with a great Boston based author.
He is a nationally known author, but Boston based, William Martin.
(10:01):
He has written so many great books and one that
we're going to talk about tonight is December nineteen forty one.
It is a historical thriller that takes place eighty four
months ago, well eighty four decembers ago. I should say
eighty four Decembers ago, and it's a.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Brilliant, an amazing read.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We'll talk to to William Martin and also later on
tonight we are scheduled at ten o'clock to sort of
have a little bit of an ongoing conversation to debate
about public surveillance and security cameras versus the right to privacy.
And never before have the need for security cameras in
(10:45):
public place has been more evident than the last week.
We'll talk with about all of that tonight on night.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Side Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We're continuing to walk much the developments in southern New
Hampshire and Salem in New Hampshire where a huge police
turnout apparently has a storage facility surrounded, which would suggest
to me that there may be a person or persons
inside that storage facility who they are looking for. We'll
keep we'll keep you posting on that. In the meantime,
(11:19):
I like to welcome a professor, Misty Heganis. She's an economist,
uh and she is an associate professor of Economics and
Public Affairs at the.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
University of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I always get the University of Kansas and Kansas State
University mixed up?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So are you the folks? Are you the which which
one are you? In terms of.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, so we're the University of Kansas. There is a
big rivalry between the two. Kansas State University is the
Land Grant University of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
At the University of Kansas, what's your uh? What's the
nickname of the team? I know I will know that
more by the nicknames of your sports teams.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
We are the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, I know what the Jayhawks are. Okay, now we
know good.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I just wanted to I didn't want to make
the mistake and accuse you of being a different school
in Kansas.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
On the other side, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I got it. Okay. So Swifty Nomics have this.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
The theory is how women mastermind and redefine our economy.
That Swift isn't just a pop culture icon. She's a
case study of strategic leadership, brand economics, and the financial
power of women as workers, consumers, and creators. I agree,
But there have been some great women in entertainment. I
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think of Share and Beyonce and Mariah Carey, who for
years and years and years have I think, actually been
Swifty before before, before Swifty, Is she just breaking all
the records at this point, Is Taylor Swift just so
far and above all those who have come before?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So, I mean I would first say that I don't
think that there's a limited amount of seats at the
table for women in the entertainment industry who have really
you know, yeah, it kind of pushed boundaries and you know,
really took advantage of their talent. I think Taylor is
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one of many. You know, Beyonce makes an appearance in
my book, as well as Madonna. So I think there's
a lot to be learned from all of these women.
I just in particular decided to focus on Taylor because
I was writing this book during the pandemic, and she was,
you know, during the pandemic, producing albums while the rest
(13:58):
of us were struggling, you know, just to make a
sandwich for lunch. And I just thought that she was
really an amazing example of determination and perseverance. So yeah,
well sure, I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Mean, look, I know that there have been you know,
great women, uh actresses, comedians, you think you know, go
back to Luci o'ball and uh Joan Rivers. I mean,
in every area obviously, Taylor Swift is a phenomenal uh entertainer,
(14:34):
a worldwide superstar. I just didn't know if if the
glass ceiling that the meta I'll use the metaphor that
she broke through is the highest glass ceiling in terms
of ticket sales.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Money earned or whatever?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Or yes?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Or is it? Is it her style? What? What?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
What makes her in your mind, as you know, as
an economics professor stand out so so much obviously an entertainer.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, she now has crossed over into the football
industry with this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
There's this football team near near you guys called the
Kansas City Chiefs, which unfortunately not going to make the
playoffs this year. But she has this tight end boyfriend,
Travis Kelcey, who himself had a.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Little bit of a pretty good following as well.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It just seems that uh, swift Mania has kind of
absorbed the country for the last couple of years. Uh,
and and put a lot of the other great female
entertainers not on the back shelf, but kind of a
little bit to the side. I mean, she's dominated for
the last two years.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I Mean one of the things that Taylor has always
done well in her career is you know, she really
does follow her own kind of authenticity and tries very
strategically to really connect with her fans. And she's done
this since the beginning. So, you know, when she started
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in the industry, she wanted to get into country and
she wanted to write songs about the experience of teenage girls,
and you know, country executives were more or less kind
of not interested in that because they had never thought
of teenage girl as a market that was worth exploring.
And you know, she just continues throughout her career to
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really tap into her own experiences in her lifetime at
that moment to really connect with fans who are also
experiencing something similar. And so I think it's that emotional
attachment that fans have to her that really sets her apart.
And you know, the other kind of component about Taylor
that's so impressive is she really doesn't take no for
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an answer, So she's pretty persistent. You can see that
with the when her earlier records were sold and she
lost control of them. You know, she could have just said, Okay,
well that's that, but she didn't. You know, she went
into this whole re record process us and now that
has come back and she's been you know, she was
(17:04):
purchased her old catalogue you know, this past year, and
so her persistence really has paid off for her and
then her just her authenticity and writing stories about life
experiences that she's having and then connecting that with her audience,
you know, have just been strategies that have been really
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successful for her.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think she was also correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't cover you know, music as I do mostly politics, economics,
current events, things like that. But I believe that she
was kind of in the forefront of the battle between
some of the secondary ticket selling market marketers and who
were getting between her and her fans and tickets that
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they were able to purchase at a venue and freeze
and then resell at immense profits, basically making immense amount
of money off of Taylor Swift's authenticity and her creativity,
and that she got involved to fight that and to
cut out that middleman, the middle ticket sellers, if you will,
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who themselves were making money, so that she could deal
more directly with her fans in terms of ticket sales.
Am I misreading that or am I accurate on that?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
That's correct. So if you think about what happened with
the erascour and actually I have a personal experience with this,
but she did, you know, instigate some sort of pre
sale for fans. So fans had to register in advance.
It was still three ticket Master, but they had to
register in advance, and then they got some of them
got a code, and then with the code, when the
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day when the pre sale tickets went on sale, fans
had this code could go in and buy up to
six tickets, and both tickets were I think aetnywhere between
ninety nine dollars to four hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Those were Those were the rates that she was selling
these tickets at. I got in the pre sale, I
went in and I purchased six tickets for ninety nine
(19:08):
dollars and I ended up selling two of them at
face value to a colleague of mint at work. And
then I sold another two and for like double the price,
so you know whatever, two hundred each, and I went
with my daughter for free, you know. And then who
knows if that person.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
An economy you're an economics professor.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You figured that out, all right, So look, yeah, do
you have a book out now that we're going to
talk about Is swifty Nomics more than just a fancy
names of the title of your book.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's the title of my book. It comes out January
twenty seventh. You can pre order it now, and it's
a book about women in the economy and how women
thrive in an economy that essentially wasn't built for with
their needs in mind. So I talk a lot about
women throughout history. I look at the data. It's a
data driven book, and I give a lot of anecdotes
(20:04):
about Taylor.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Of course, well that's what's going to sell the book.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
The data might be great, I might like it, you
might like it, but I think the anecdotes about Taylor,
just you know, as a as an amateur economist, I
think that that will drive the sales of your book.
So it's it's swifty Nomics, all one word, how women
mastermind and redefine our economy. So Professor hagenis thanks for
(20:28):
joining us. I assume that's all available through Amazon. Do
you have your own website as well or is it
just a pre order through Amazon?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, well you can. There's a website swifteen Nomics. You
can go there, but it's also on Amazon, Barnes and
Noble a lot of local indie stores once the book
gets released on the twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, we'd like to call those mortar and brick stores.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So that's there.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You go.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Knows what you mean by that. Well go jay Hawks.
I hope you're doing. You're going to have a great season,
whatever sport you're rooting for a fair in Kansas. Thanks
very much. I enjoy talking with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Thanks, I appreciate it. Take care of that.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Okay, we have just actually lost one of our guests tonight,
so our conversation about the death of Rob Reiner and
his wife may happen tomorrow night. We will be a decision
that producer Lightning will make. We don't like to have
a guest drop out. But we're going to be talking
with doctor Evan Harris coming up on the other side
(21:24):
about tips to protect your veins during holiday travel. So
if you're going to be on a plane or a train,
or a boat or a car or a canoe, you
got to think about your vascular system. And that's we
will talk with doctor Evan Harris about. And we are
keeping our eye on what is going on up in
New Hampshire up on the Massachusetts, New Hampshire line at
(21:47):
some sort of a storage warehouse, and it looks as
if the authorities have surrounded this building. And we'll get
you a news update as well as we'll keep our
eye on it. In addition, coming back on Nightside right
after the news break. In just a few minutes, you're.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Okay, Well, with the big Christmas vacation, Honiker is winding down,
Christmas is ramping up. You have a Kwanza, the Festivus poll,
whatever you're celebrating, it may involve travel. And of course
right after the holidays of December, we have the first
of the year in the new year, ringing twenty twenty six,
(22:33):
and some people be traveling by plane, by boat, by
the airplane, by car.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Who knows by canoe with us is doctor Evan Davis.
He's with the Center for vane Restoration. Doctor Davis. Welcome
to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
I'm good?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'll do it great?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Thank you for joining us. You specialize in vascular interventional
radiology at the Center for Vein Restoration. Where was the
vein restoration located the Center for Veine Restoration where you located.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
We well, my offices are in Glastonbury, Connecticut and middle Town, Connecticut.
We have we're a multi regional company, so we actually
have one hundred and twenty offices country.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, great, Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So I know that when people travel, particularly for long
at long periods of time, you know, into continental flights,
one of the things they need to do is to
not just sit.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But they got to be able to move.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
A little bit, keep the blood flowing for the for
the veins, particularly in their legs. If I'm correct on that,
and you can amplify I can't think of anybody who
could amplify that concern.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And what needs to be done to abate that concern.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Then you and like to turn it over here right
now to to tell me how true this is and
and what can people do to prevent problems?
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Well, you're spot on, and you know it's all about
traveling and having fun, but doing it safely. And for
the vast majority of people traveling, we don't have to
fear normal travel routines, but a couple of little hints
just keep us a little bit more safe. And exactly
(24:25):
as you said, movement is really where it all starts.
Whether that's getting up every hour or two and just
doing a little stretch and a little walk, or just
pumping those calf muscles in your seat, however you're going
to do it. We just want that calf muscle complex
to sort of fire that blood back up towards the
heart so it doesn't just huddle in our legs. And
(24:47):
with that, we want to just stay nicely hydrated. And
if it's a real long haul flight and you know
you're going to be immobilized to some degree for hours,
you maybe want to consider investing in some knee high
compression sucks.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And I assume that folks who are perhaps as I'd
like to say, on the wrong side of fifty, may
be more concerned about that than people who are in
their twenties or thirties.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Again, if this is a test, you're getting them all right.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
So yeah, age, we.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Can say being overweight, you know, obesity, certain hormonal supplements
and conditions can do that as well as having some
restrictions and the movements. Certainly, people unfortunately who have a
diagnosis of cancer or other serious medical conditions, but for
(25:44):
the vast majority of Americans, this is fairly rare.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
I mean, you're.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Talking one in several thousand, but you know, millions of
people fly, so it will happen, and it's best to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't script questions, so if you know, great, if
I'm asking question that is beyond your knowledge base, feel
free to tell me that that's not a great question.
Are the airlines, particularly on long flights, long haul flights
from here, tom where of course the New England who's
like you, so we're in Boston, but from somewhere like
(26:17):
if you're flying from New York to Hawaii NonStop? Are
the flight attendants going to tell you get back in
your seat, you copy walking up and.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Down the aisle?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Or will they understand that it's something that people should
really participate in or do a little bit.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Of You know, it's interesting, you know, I obviously, just
like you just said, I'm not a spokesman for the airlines.
I don't know how many of how many people actually
think about this or even really put it in front
and center in their mind. And there are a lot
of things that we need to do to fly safe,
right we all know those rules, and there are certain
(26:55):
times when you can't get up in the battle of course. Yeah,
there's plenty of opportunity unity for all of us just
to be safe, stay hydrated, think about the compression, and
again there's plenty opportunity to do this kef muscle pumps
even in your seat, just you know, flex those toes
up and the heels down and back and forth. Just
(27:17):
you know, for thirty seconds a minute, you're really going
to get some good circulation going to get you through
the flight.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, thanks very much. I do appreciate.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Is there a website that we could send some folks
too if they have not comprehended precisely everything we've talked about.
I'm just wondering if the Center for Veined Restoration has
an easy website that people might check in on tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Yeah, well, if they, if they google the Center for
Van Restoration dot com, the website will just pop up
and they can just click on it and just go
straight to it. And you know, again, if they're in Connecticut,
they're glad to reach out to me or any of
our partners physicians in there are those in mass and
Connecticut and New Hampshire as well.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sounds great. I really do appreciate it. Thank you so much.
On doctor Harris.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I appreciate you stepping up and filling in this segment
for us. We're going to talk in just a couple
of moments with former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis, who
of course was in the leadership of the search for
the Boston bombers back at the Marathon bombing in twenty thirteen,
and we'll get some of the latest on what's going up.
(28:24):
There's a crazy story going on up in New Hampshire
to NITIS. I'm sure you have heard about. I think
that they have actually figured out who the person was
that engaged in that murderous mayhem last weekend at Brown University.
But I do thank you for being available for us
as well, Doctor Evan Harris. Thanks doctor Harris. Okay, thank
you very much. We will be talking with Ed Davis,
(28:47):
former Boston Police commission in just a couple of minutes
after this break. He will have insights better than anyone
on what's going on up in the Massachusetts New Hampshire.
I think they're in Salem, New Hampshire. But I also
some of this is stretching into MATHU and coming back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's Nightside with Dan ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We're delighted and honored to be joined by former Boston
Police Commissioner At Davis. And Davis, of course, was in
charge of the Boston Police Department back in twenty thirteen
at the time of the Boston Marathon bombing, and he
was very much involved in solving that horrific case. At Davis,
welcome back to Nightside. Another similar scene, I guess is
(29:34):
unfolding tonight up and up in Salem, New Hampshire. How
are you, my friend, I'm good, Dan.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Great to talk to you. Yeah, it does bring back
a lot of memories of a Thursday night twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh, I was there. I remember you were there.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Mayor Menino was there and when all hell broke loose
and it's been pretty quiet. Look, I know you're not
involved in this investigation. I know that you have great sources,
my sources in television, in my rear view mirror. So
I just want to sit back and have you tell
us what you think is transpiring from what you've seen.
(30:10):
I have some thoughts, but I'm much more interested in
what your thoughts are here.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I know that some.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Of it has to be speculation, but that's a huge
turnout of police.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Uh at that at this building.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It looks like it's some sort of a storage warehouse,
either in Salem or also in Salem and across someone
across the line in the thun give us whatever information
you your cape, you're prepared, or you've been allowed you'd
be allowed to share with us.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Sure, well, well, thank you. Clearly it was a huge
break in the last twenty four hours. The first incident
happened in uh In uh you know, on on last
week on a Saturday, and then you have five days
later with them were most of the evidence is primarily
(31:02):
coming from coming from video that was downloaded, and that
usually is the first thing that they start to go after.
But we also know that they have DNA evidence. We
also know they have ballistics evidence. So all of that
information is being compiled and put together. But there weren't
any suspects coming out. There was a second man that
(31:23):
was identified. They wanted to talk to him. My information
is that they've met him and he's not a suspect.
He might have been a witness. So they really kind
of hit a dead end in Providence. Then the second
attack happened, and the first information we got was is
absolutely no connection. The FBI were very clear on that
there's no connection between the two, but apparently that's all
(31:48):
changed in the last twenty four hours. So I have
to assume that the information that's cracking this case may
have come from the second incident. Where you're in Boston,
the density of cameras and you know, places you can
(32:08):
go for clues is much as much improved over what
you have in Rhode Island. But you know, whether it's
Rhode Island or Brookline that popped the case wide open,
somebody got information that put them onto this guy, and
now they're in Salem, and it looks like there's search
(32:30):
warrants being executed up there where we will get even
more information.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, just to follow on and and I'll ask questions.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
If I ask anything that's out of bounds, you know,
throw the red flag on me here. But let's assume
I'm going to make a bit of an assumption and
if I'm way off base, correctly, if I'm wrong, I
assume the shellcasings left at both both crime scenes. Could
the FBI get those shell casings compared as quickly as
to put them together? Obviously one was on Saturday afternoon,
(33:00):
second event is Monday night. Today's Thursday night. It looks
to me like something clicked sometime early this afternoon. Would
that timeline be suggested that maybe shellcasings the two separate
scenes matched up.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Yeah, I don't have any information of that being the case.
In I will tell you that procedurally, showcasing comparison can
be done fairly quickly, and I'm sure that was one
of the first things that they did. So, if in fact,
there were shellcasings at the Brookline location, I'm sure that
they put that together very quickly. The FBI is expert
(33:39):
at that and they can do it very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, and again
I'm picking your brain as I used to do as
a TV reporter. Just looking at this video, you're not
on the ground there. There looks like there are dozens
of police cars and dozens of police officers. They did
not in positions with long guns pointed at a building.
They seem to be standing around waiting for something to transpire.
(34:08):
What does that posture indicate to you?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Well, there was clearly something happening around four thirty five o'clock.
There were hundreds of police cars heading from Boston up
towards up ninety three. One of my guys was out
on the highway and saw them going by. There's reports
of helicopters up there as well, so there was clearly,
you know, a full court press of law enforcement heading
(34:36):
in that area. As to how they got there, I
don't have the answer to that. But what I see
now from the air, from the coverage that we're getting
over the television, is that there appear to be technical
investigators there around the vehicle. And it's hard to tell
if they're EOD or bomb squad guys, but that would
(34:58):
be the first protocol that the would follow, and then
they would start to follow a protocol around the recovery
of evidence and see during whatever's in that vehicle. So
there's clearly something big going on there. At what it is,
we'll just have to wait for the press conference.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Is your understanding, And I know this afternoon they were
saying four o'clock. Then they said, well it'll be later,
and then at one point I heard that they will
definitely have a press conference tonight. This was before all
of this activity, which reinforced in my mind that something
was afoot. Clearly we're looking at what is a foot
and that is all these police officers and police cars
(35:38):
in Salem, New Hampshire. Do you think they get to
a point tonight where they just, let's say, maintain a
circumference at the building around the building and they say, look,
let's reconvene tomorrow at eight o'clock. Or this is the
sort of scene from your experience, that they're going to
(35:59):
work through the night here and they're going to find
everything that They're going to leave nothing to chance, not
a lot that if there is someone in that building
who they need to talk to, they're going to search
it and they're going to make sure that they get
everything least every last thing out of this this exercise tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That they can.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think more of the latter, Dan, you and I
have both been involved in situations that were unfolding, and
you schedule a press conference and then something happens and
something else comes in and you have to keep delaying
and delaying at this and there's always pressure to get
the information out there, But in an unfolding situation, it
would be you'd be remissing in trying to putting out
(36:38):
bad information. So it sounds like this is really rolling right, now,
and they're just putting things off until they have really
certain answers to the questions this. This is going to
be a brutal press conference tonight whenever they have it,
because everybody has bits and pieces of information, and they're
going to be they're going to be required to sort
(37:00):
of put the bed rumors that aren't true and then
to get out whatever information they can get out without
without blocking the case or causing problems with the case.
On the question about working overnight, uh, you know, we
have access to lighting trucks and everything you need to
continue to work on the scene. There's no way they're
going to leave it unless in the unlikely situation that
(37:24):
there was a suspect somewhere and they want to lock
it down and they come in in the morning. That's
the only time we'd see them pulled back. If it's
if it's if the suspect is there or there's evidence
in that vehicle, they're going to get the evidence as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating to see this transpire live.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
As you know.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Again, I know that the law enforcement, many of the
agencies were criticized pretty heavily for wandering news conferences earlier
in the week. I think maybe they too much too
many news conferences schedule, but for me as a reporter
to say that, but they didn't have much to offer.
But tonight it looks as if their patience is paying off.
(38:11):
And I got my spidy sense, and I'm sure you
have much better spidy sense that I do. Is that
we're we're moving very quickly towards a conclusion here and
that that hopefully a lot of people can will be
able to put their heads on their pillow tonight with
a little more comfort than they did last the last
(38:32):
few nights. And Davis, so thank you so much for
joining us. I know you are a much sought after
a guest tonight by television networks, and I appreciate that
you've been able to carve out a few minutes for us,
and I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
My friend.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Oh sorry, good man, take care. Thanks your covering.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Thank you so much. All right, we get back.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We are going to keep our eye on what's going
on in New Hampshire, but we are going to talk
with William Martin.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
He's a guy that has had a.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Brilliant career and the career is not over any stretch
of the imagination. Catholic Memorial Graduate in nineteen sixty eight,
Harvard graduate who went to Film School at USC and
has spent his life writing spellbinding thrillers, many of which
are based in New England. We'll talk with William Martin
(39:18):
and if you'd like to take calls and talk to
a real live author who has made a great living
at doing what he loves to do, and that is
right thrillers.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We'll be back right after this
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