December 4, 2025 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
The case of Theresa Corley. ‘Someone knows just what happened to Theresa.’ Forty-five years later, her murder remains unsolved.
Guest: Emily Sweeney – Boston Globe Cold Case Files Reporter
Google’s Annual Year in Search 2025. Top search trends and topics that fascinated the world.
Guest: Christina Basilio, Google Trends Expert
This was the most vicious Patriots defense we’ve seen since they were winning Super Bowls. Latest Pats victory has people saying the Pats are “back”.
Guest: Chad Finn – Boston Globe sports reporter
Exclusive survey: "Allies" abandon Jews as antisemitism surges
Guest: Russell Contreras - Justice and Race reporter at Axios
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's anxiety with Dan Ray unfeeling you easy Boston's News radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I promise you if you keep listening to Night's Side tonight,
we will keep you warm, that's for sure. We'll have
some warm conversation during the first hour. We'll talk to
four individuals. No phone calls during the first hour, but
then we will get onto matters other Matter's going to
talk about the Cape Cod Bridge project and the pressure
that is being put on several families who live in
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the shadow of the Sagamore Bridge. Really, this is some
tough pressure being applied by the state Department of Transportation
against these homeowners. And I know that it might not
impact you, it might not impact me, but it's something
we should talk about. I'll also talk about a sign
which has shown up at the parish, a Catholic parish
(00:54):
in Denham Dealing. Well, I'll get to it. It's an
interesting it's an interesting display. Let us put it like that,
and well, we're here for the rest of the evening.
My name is Dan Ray. Rob Brooks is back in
the control room. You'll talk to him before you get
on the air, and you'll only be able to get
on the air after the nine o'clock news. Just sit
(01:15):
back and relax. We have four very interesting topics. Going
to talk about the trends Google's trends in twenty twenty five.
Going to talk with Chad Finn of the Boston Globe
about the Patriots again, this team that surprises us all
every weekend, or surprises most of us. And we're going
to talk about a tough survey that shows that so
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called allies seem to be abandoning people who are Jewish
as anti Semitism surges in this country. So I think
we've got to strengthen some people's backbones and have them
speak out against anti Semitism wherever that vile activity rears
its ugly head. Let's start off with Emily Sweeney of
(01:56):
the Boston Globe, Cold Case Files reporter. Hey, Emily, welcome
back to Night's side.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Hey Dan, hope you're staying warm.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, I meanside. So I know that there's some activities
outdoors in Boston tonight. It's winter is finally as well
is here. It's not finally here. I think it's arrived
a little early. But we're going to take a look
back in time, not at how cold it is going
to be. The last the next couple of days. But
we're going to look back about forty five years later
with you again. You have these cold case files, and
(02:27):
this is a murder of a woman named Teresa Corley.
Tell us about it forty five years ago. That's going
to take us back to nineteen eighty I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, actually nineteen seventy eight, Okay, December fifth. Teresa
was nineteen years old, living with her family in Bellingham,
and she went out to a back called the Train
Stop in Franklin. You know, it's friends, Sure, yep, she
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you know, ended up getting into an iging with the
guy she was with. Left the bar. It was like,
you know, I'm going to walk home. And it was
about five and a half miles away.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's a long walk, huh at any time of day,
particularly at night.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely, and so you know, obviously it's dangerous to
be out walking alone. Turns out, a group of guys
that she knows picks her up, three or four guys,
and they drive her to the Presidential Arms Apartments and
Root one forty in Franklin, where she's sexually assaulted and
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Portosa you know, leaves in the we you know, very
early in the morning, and you know, she was tried
to get out of there so quickly that she was
wearing mismatched shoes when she left one of her shoes
and one of the shoes belonging to one of the guys,
and she started, you know again, making her way home.
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And she was last seen in Bellingham Center and a
mile from her house by a truck driver. And then
she disappeared, and she wasn't found for two days and
then her her naked body was found in a wooded
area right off four nine in Bellingham.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, this sounds like a horror movie. So so she
has an argument with a guy in the bar. I'm
assuming that they must have looked at him, the authorities,
the police, fairly closely.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So she she was out with with a lot of friends,
you know, and police have said, you know, she she
was socializing with numerous people that evening. And it's just
so strange too, you know, to have you know, have
a you know, picked up by a group of guys,
you know, and then being taken to this apartment.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do we know, how do we know that? Do we
know who these these guys were? But they just driving
along and they saw her and offered her a ride
or were they people?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't know her and they knew
her and they're like, hey, you know, do you want
to lift? You know, And obviously it seems probably seemed
like a better option at the time, you know, absolutely
sure December. You know, it's just very strange, you know,
her leaving the apartment and then you know that there's
two options of what happened. Either one of the guys
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you know or you know, some of them, you know,
went after her, or she was attacked a second time
by somebody completely different.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah that seems yeah, that seems unlikely. But get a
small town police department in nineteen seventy eight, I get it.
I assume the state police had to commit on this
one because it's a homicide.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah yeah, So you know, I talked to her, her sister, Jerry,
just yesterday, and you know, about the case and how
it was going, you know, and Jerry has always said,
you know, and you know, other investigators have I'm sure
agree that you know, this is a solvable case. You
know that that people involved are still probably out there,
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still around, and you know, if somebody I don't know
has a change of hot after all this time, and
it's also DNA at play as well.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That was good. That's my next question was if if
she was raped or is actually assaulted. I assume that
they had some DNA and man, I'll tell you, uh,
it's it's a small group of people who had interactions.
Did the police know the three men? How do we
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know that that they knew her? They were that they
were friends that obviously she never communicated this was any anyone,
This was pre self cell phones speriods. Did they Did
the police have any idea you know, who the person
was she had to fight in the bar with there
or other ways that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, yes, yeah, the guys in the apartment obviously. You
know it's a key link, you know to the last
night that she was alive, and I mean Jerry told
me her sister, you know, I mean there was some
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swabs taken from a body that a law enforcement source
told her were unfortunately damaged when there was a flood
where they were being stored and there it was either
a flood or a fire, but there was water damage.
But there is some more DNA that continues to be tested.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I reached out to the Norfolk DA's office and started
to be talking so fast. It's just a lot of
you know, it's a complicated case, and you know a
lot of time has passed. But Dan, I do like
to focus sometimes on these cases because this could be
the last chance, you know, there might be somebody out
there that they could you know.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So I'm looking at I'm looking at the piece out
of the Globe back in the day, and wow, this
she was in junior high school. She was was in
her second year at Holliston Junior High School. According to
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the Globe piece written by Tim Dwyer and Lonnie Isabelle.
Uh oh, this this one is this one. Definitely hopefully
we can get we can get you a lead, Emily.
Great work. I know that these are tough cases to
talk about, and I know they are tough cases to
work on, and I thank you for what you're doing
real quickly. How can people follow you work? And how
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can they get actually on the mailing list and get
some of this information sent to them? The information is free,
as I understand it. Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, so two things, you know, if anybody has
information about the case. The Norfolk DA's office told me
that Sergeant Jeffrey Karkowski with the say police unresolved case
unit is on this case, and you can call one
eight five y five m A Solved to give any
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information that you have of the case. And if you'd
like to sign up for my cold case newsletter, you
can do that on the Globe's website if you go
to Globe dot com slash cold case files.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The other thing what people could do, Emily, I'm sure
could contact you with the Globe because you know the ses,
and I think that would be if I had information
in the case, I would be calling you so that
you could have the information before I called anybody, because
you're the one who works these cases. And I'm not
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in any way, shape or form disparaging anyone else who
might have some interest in solving this case. But boy,
this is this is a terrible, terrible case. To think
what this young young woman, young girl went through in
the final twenty four hours of her life in the
town of Bellingham, Massachusetts. This is, this is this one
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has to be solved. Emily, Thank you so much, as always. Okay,
we'll talk to you a couple.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Of ye Yes, all right, thanks all right, Thanks so much, Dan,
have a great night.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Good night, tough case. Emily Sweeney at The Boston Globe.
If you have a thought on that, feel free to
contact her. She's a great reporter. But we get back
on to talk about Google's annual Year in Search twenty
twenty five, the top search trends and topics that fascinated
the world. Christina Basilio, the Google trends expert, will join us.
She's been with us before. We'll talk to her right
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after the break. Here on a very cold Thursday night
here in New England.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, it's that time of year again where Google, I
guess monitors and then sends out a report on the
top search trends and topics during the year. That is
now ending with us. Is Christina Basilio. She's a Google
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trends expert. Christina, Welcome back to Night's Side.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So great to be here.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I was sent a link here which linked me
to the twenty twenty four search. Is the twenty twenty
five search completed? Have you publicized it yet or are
we going to kind of talk about what the trends
will be when you finally announce it.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
We announced it today, so anyone that's interested. You get
over to trends at Google dot com and then you
can click the urine search tab and then you'll be
able to see all the breakout and most interesting trends
that we you saw across multiple categories in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay, well, let's talk about a few of them that
would be interest. Let's wet people's appetite. What were the
biggest trends that you saw? If you've I know that
you do this by many categories, but you know, just
pick a two or three that we can chat about.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, so I think one of the things that people
are most interested in is what was top searched across
the Internet in general. So we look at aggregated and
anonymised data to pull all of this together. And some
of our biggest searches this year were K pop Demon Hunters,
the movie on Netflix. The Boo Boos were actually really
popular this year. It was really interesting to see that
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actually the FIFA Club World Cup was in our top
ten list and has shown up across a couple of
different categories as well, like sports teams.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, so that wouldn't surprise me if you're doing this internationally,
because soccer might not be the biggest sport in this
country football and baseball. I think in basketball far out
distance soccer, but worldwide that's a bit of a different story.
So what were the first two categories you mentioned? There?
Was la booboo? Was that a doll or something? I
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must admit to you. I know a lot about a
lot of things, but I don't know a lot about labubu.
So since it was so popular, help me get caught
up here. What was la buobu?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Yeah? So labubus are these little plushies. They kind of
look like little grimlins. They're furry, they have cute little faces,
and you can get them in like different colors, and
the kids are buying them. And the way that I
would think about them for anyone who's never seen or
experienced a la booboo, it's like a backpack charm. You
can put it on your backpack, you can carry it
with you, and I feel like it's the modern day
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beanie baby.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I had a great deal of familiarity with beanie
babies because my kids were sort of into well, my
daughter was into that. In the nineteen nineties. Of course,
many parents were saying, we're going to buy these beanie
babies and they're going to pay for the kids college education.
I assume there's not that anticipation with Labubus. They're buying
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it for the right reasons. Uh, And they're not, you know,
stockpiling them in the attic in hopes of paying off
the college education for their children.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I assume, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't think so. I think all the parents learned
from the beanie baby phays that we just get the
cute plushies because they're cool, not because they're an investment.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And what was the movie before that? That was the
second thing you mentioned in the first movie went right
by me. What what was the name of the movie
that there was a big search search item here.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, it was Cape k Pop Demon Hunters. I don't
know if they have a lot of really popular songs.
It's about this.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
South Korean group, Yeah group right kop Okay, I'm up,
I'm up. Not bad them kind of up a little bit.
So they did a movie.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, So there was a really popular movie. It was
like one of the most watched movies on Netflix. It's
an animated movie and it was really cool because the
music from that movie also started making some breakout searches
this year across our music categories too.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Okay, was that it pick a serious category, which was
I mean, we had, you know, a lot of politics
in this country. Do you do you follow political My
audience would be interested in what the top political search
was for or something like that.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
So we do. Yeah, we do look at what's really
top of mind, and we always see things like political
figures or major news events come up. We do have
our news category. In our news category, some of the
top things that were that were searched were the One
Big Beautiful Bill Act, the government shut down, and the
terriffs and some other things that popped up in the
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news category were also the Los Angeles fires that happened
earlier this year, as well as Hurricane Melissa. So that's
really common that we see that pop up across a
few different All of.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Those make perfect, perfectly good sense to me because all
of those were either a crisis or a controversy. And
it's good to know that people are using Google to actually,
I guess, find out information about something that really impacts them.
I know, I'm going to sound like a curmudgeon when
I say, you know, the lebooboo whatever. I guess that
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there's probably a lot of ten and twelve and thirteen
year old little kids who were searching for labuobo. But
I think that was hardening to think that people were
searching for things that were important to not only natural
disasters like the hurricane down in Jamaica, but the fires
in the last January in California which were horrible, as
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well as the government shutdown which was a huge story
for about forty days, and the Big Beautiful Bill, so
called Big Beautiful Bill, which was controversial in so many respects.
That says to me that that your adult audience is
really following things that are important. And what about sports?
(17:09):
Give me a quick sports. I'm hoping you're going to
tell me it's going to be the resurgence of the
New England Patriots, which is going to be my next topic.
But the World Series got to be the World Series
with the Dodgers and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Well, it's really interesting in the data that we pull
because not only do we have national data, but we
also have regional data. So to your point around what
was really popular for folks that are local and your listeners,
the New England Patriots was the most popular jersey type,
So we did see that, which hopefully that that's because
people are excited for how they're doing. And then Jeff
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T his jersey was also really really popular among local
listeners too.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Who is that I missed it? What was that name?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Jeff pe.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Jeff T. Yeah, he doesn't play for the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
He did not play for the Patriots. He's an American
basketball player, so different sport.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, I was thinking, uh, the Patriots quarterback Derek May
you know? Okay, good enough, all right, Okay, I'm gonna
let you go. Christina Basilio, Google's trends expert. I'm sure
this is a job with a lot of pressure on it,
though you sound very relaxed whenever we talk. Thanks so
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much for joining us tonight, Christine. I always enjoy chatting
with you.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Thank you, guys. Have a great night.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We sure will. We come back on and talk about
something I know a little bit about, and that is
the new week of Patriots Go Talk with Chad Finn,
Boston Globe sports reporter. He says the Patriots defense against
the Giants was the most vicious he scene since the
time they were winning Super Bowls. They did a good
night on Monday Night against Giants team that I think
(19:01):
has got three wins, so it's it was it Probably
they were not running, I guess against one of the
best teams. Patriots have had the easiest schedule of any
NFL team this year, but they've taken advantage of it,
and that's part of winning, and that's part of maybe
a trip to the Super Bowl. We'll find out from
Chad Finn coming right up on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
A delighted to be to welcome back Chadfinn. Boston Globe
Sports Report of Chad. I was just talking with a
Google trends expert, and I didn't know a lot about
the things she was talking about. But you know a
lot more about the Patriots defense than I do. You
called them last weekend the most vicious Patriots defense was
seen since they were winning Super Bowls. Pretty interesting characterization.
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What prompted that that adjective to s bid you a column?
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Yeah, Dan, it was basically them knocking Giants quarterback Jackson
Dart silly during that game.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
He got hit so hard.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Along the sideline by Patriots lambacker Christianellis that Drake made
the Patriots Quarterwack said, you could hear it throughout the stadium.
So when that happens and it kind of continues for
the whole game, or there were big hits all over
the place, and we found out afterwards that was kind
of an emphasis for them in that game against the Giants.
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It reminded me of really the last time they were
a two championship contending team, and they're kind of looking
like one right now.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They are, but you know better than me that they
have had a relatively easy schedule in terms of strength opponents.
It looks to me that they well, I know they
have the Ravens left, and they have Buffalo in Miami.
I think that covers the balance of the schedule. Buffalo
has to come here. They've already beaten Buffalo with Buffalo.
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I think they'll be a favorite in that game here.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Oh that's a good question. I think they will be
because they're going to be going into it eleven and two,
and the memory in people's minds is probably going to
be this Monday night game against the Giants where they
look so good. It was really sort of the national
coming out party for Drake May where these national reporters
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from ESPN come in see him in person for the
first time and walk away raving, and that's kind of
elevated the perception of them a little bit. I think
they will be favored against the Bills in the bigger picture.
Their schedule has been easy. You don't win ten in
a row no matter how easy or hard your schedule
is usually. That's a real tribute to them. But I
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think people need to consider too that the Patriots were
supposed to be one of those easy teams on other
franchises schedules this year, and they've turned out not to be.
They've turned out to be one of the better teams
in the league.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So a lot of this has to go to Rabel.
I mean, a team does not turn around like this
without a great job by a coach. He's got to
be coaches the year, no matter what happens from here
on out. They look like they believe in Rabel. Whatever
Rabel is selling in the locker room, it looks to
me like they are buying.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
In Yes, And it's really interesting because it's definitely tactical.
He's a really good defensive coach. I think he recognizes
as all good coaches do something Bill Belichick did really
well too, is the best way to take a particular
talent that a player has and maximize that he's really
good at that. And you've seen that come through with
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a lot of guys who were here last year who
were better players this year because of the coaching they're getting.
But the other thing Dan is he treats them like
human beings. And for all the success Belcher had, that
really wasn't his thing and it burned out like Brady,
it burned out. Rob Grinkowski didn't want to play here anymore.
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Just was a grind every day. And I think if
you actually have a little bit of an emotional connection
with your players, that can go a long way. They
want to play for you, they like playing for you,
they're like coming to work every day. And so far
with Rabel, that's been one of his great strengths too.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well. I think every manager, coach, owner of a business,
head of a law firm or whatever, anyone who is
in charge of people needs to be more Mike Rabel.
You know, I think that he probably learned some tough
lessons in Tennessee. He didn't have the same success down
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there that he's had here. Didn't probably have a quarterback
like Drake May, which is a pretty good, pretty good start.
Do you think they can run the table from here
on out or what's your thought on that they could
they end up you know, butt fifteen and two.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I think it's plausible. I think Buffalo is the real
tough one here coming out at the Bay. Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
People are overrating the Ravens a little bit because Lamar
Jackson's beat up and he's not the same player this year.
They're they're perennial MVP court candidate quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
But that game, that game is in Baltimore. Is that
game in Baltimore?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I think yeah, Yeah, that's the road games.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A little tougher on the road. Okay, and maybe Miami
could be a sleeper too. I mean, you know who knows. Uh,
They're they're they've been up and down all all season.
But Buffalo has something to prove here. I mean, if
Buffalo comes in and lies down, uh and and and
does nothing, that that's going to tell me that the
Patriots are going to There's there's one team that can
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stop him, and that probably would be Denver.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, that's a good one. I think Houston's a really
tough matchup for the Patriots. They don't have a great
offense by any means, but their defense is uh one
of the best, if not the best, in the league,
and they can really get after the quarterback. I think
that would be one a rare game where the Patriots
have a hard time putting twenty something points on the board.
(25:11):
So that's a matchup i'd try to avoid. Denver is
interesting because they had a fantastic defense and I have
a lot of name recognition on defense, but got picked
up heart a little bit by the Washington commanders of
their backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I think there might be weaknesses there that the Patriots
could expose.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So what you suggesting, and I don't think it's unreasonable,
is that we should not be stunned if the Patriots
end up in the Super Bowl Game as the AFC champion.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Well, Dan, you know I'm writing about this for early
next week part of our bye week content.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
There's all yeah, yeah, you got to dig deep on
this one, Chad, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's a long two weeks. The two things I knew
I'd never see as a Bustin sports reporter, there's someoney
gruffy as a fan again, is the two thousand and
four Red Sox, it's just not possible winning after six years,
and then two thousand and one where the Patriots came
out of nowhere and went on to win that Super
Bowl and ran the table after being five and five,
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and this team reminds me a lot of that one team.
There's so many parallels, including Mike rabel Is, one of
the players Belichick brought in the free agent that years.
He's connected in both ways, but there are some similarities
I'm going to dive into. And any outcome this season,
any positive outcome of this team at this point, it's
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not going to shock me. I think because of two things.
They have a great coach and they have a legitimate,
legitimately great young quarterback in Drake May and those two
things can take you far.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And they have good players around him. I like their
tight ends a lot. I mean, and May is want
enough to find Hunter Henry when when he's in trouble.
I think that's Henry's a smart player. And on defense,
as you said, they have good players. They got good
guys on special teams. I mean the punt returner, that
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was an incredible punt return I think even better than
the first one that he took to the house earlier
this year. They're they got it all going on here,
So let's hope that that all of our dreams come
through for this team. And they also seem like a
good group of guys at this point. You know, the
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last few years the Patriots have had some guys in
little domestic TIFFs and we got caught here or there
in a car. But these guys seem like all good citizens.
Have you guys had a chance to spend much time
in the locker room?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, a little bit. I've traveled a few games this
year and kind of seen them on the road too,
and I think that's true. I think one emphasis with
all the free agency brought and to revamped this roster
in the offseason was character. It's something Belichick actually prioritized
a good part of his time here, drafting guys who
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were captains of their college team. That was the little
thing he liked to focus on. I think Rabel has
kind of taken that from him. And when you have
those locker.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Room full of those types of players, you can bring
in somebody that maybe has a little bit of baggage.
They did that with Stefan Diggs, An excellent wide receiver
who's had a history of getting frustrated when he doesn't
get the ball, and he's been a great fit. I
think in part because Rabel and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels
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have emboldened him and let him be a little bit
of a leader. And they really have a great feel,
a great sense for how to how to maximize the
personalities of the players off the field as well as
they know.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Someone say that Diggs has been targeted the most of
any of the receivers and has the most reception. And
I've never heard a bad thing about Diggs. I mean,
maybe he didn't like his playing time situation as a
younger player, but Belichick brought in some guys who had,
you know, the proms off the field as well. Uh,
(29:15):
And I don't get a sense with this. These guys
seem like good citizens, so they're an easy team to
root for. Chad Finn, thank you so much. I really
enjoy talking sports with you. You you do a great
job and it's good to know and now find out
for the first time that you grew up here. You're
you're a Massachusetts guy or a New England guy.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm a New England guy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, from Maine, from Main Well, that's okay. It used
to be Maine used to be part of Massachusetts. So
you know, we we can call you can claim you
as our own as well. Chad Finn or the Boston Globe.
Chad is always thanks much for your time and your analysis.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Thanks about Stan. I was great talking here.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Talk all right, we get back. We're gonna finish up
with them one more guest. Uh And I'm not even
gonna tell you who it is. I want to surprise
you on the other time. Oh, you know what, I will.
I will because it's a serious subject. We're going to
talk about a survey that shows that so called allies,
people who have in the past supported Jewish people when
(30:15):
anti Semitism surges, seems to be seem to be dropping
away a little bit. Going to talk with Russell Contreras.
He's a justice and race reporter at Axios, So I
don't want to goof around about something like that. I
happen to consider that to be a very serious problem
in this country at this time. We'll talk with Russell
Russell Contreras of Axios right after this break on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Welcome back, everybody. I think anyone who listens to Nightside
knows that the whole concept of anti Semitism is something
that really bothers me. We will be talking with the
member of the Commission here in Massachusetts dealing with anti Semitism,
Dave Friedman is an attorney Harvard Harvard Law School. On
Tuesday Night, he actually a clerk for the US Supreme Court.
(31:08):
Smart guy. He's a Red Sox council but he serves
on this commission. Tonight, we're talking with Russell Contreras. He's
a justice and race reporter at Axios. And there's a
survey that has just come out from what's called Blue Square,
that is the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate group that
(31:31):
was founded by Patriots owner Bob Kraft. And unfortunately, the
statistics that they have come up with are a little
disheartening because even as anti Semitism has increased in this
country in the last two or three years, in the
wake of what happened on October the seventh, the support,
(31:52):
the stated support for the Jewish community and the concern
over anti Semitism seems to have waned. Who're going to
talk with Russell contraras about Russell. I looked at those numbers.
It's always tough to explain numbers on radio for obvious reason.
Charts and graphs that do a great job, but we
can't show charts and graphs. What's the bottom line that
(32:14):
you see here? And as the Axios Reporter, Justice and
Race Reporter these numbers. It's not a huge drop off,
but it's enough to drop off during a period of
time that trouble me. I'd love to know what.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You think that's correct. And this new survey by the
BLAF Square Alliance against Hay gives you some narrative that
something is going on. Anti Semitism has plateaued in many aspects.
That's like what some research say is a good thing
because it can't get any worse, right, you just can't.
But what we're finding is that people who are considered allies,
(32:52):
that number has dropped about forty percent in the last
two years that this survey has done. On the other side,
the number of quot unquot haters has increased by sixty
seven percent. So the number of people that we would
consider allies against anti Semitism has dropped and the number
of people who are openly saying like anti Jewish things
(33:13):
is increasing, and that you know, the number of tropes
that we have, whether they're soft anti semitism or heard
anti semitism, that's actually going up. So the survey is
saying they were going on in the wrong direction in
terms of outreach and in terms of education, and that
is what's disturbing to this group.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, there's one that that I see this. I'll try
to simplify a couple of them here. The familiarity with
anti Semitism in America has dropped from twenty percent in
December of twenty twenty three to sixteen percent in twenty
twenty five August of twenty twenty five. That is while
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the hostage crisis in Israel is ongoing, that is while
Jewish students were being harassed at colleges and universities across
this country. That is why, that is when there was
a resurgence of the VDS movement, that number should not
be going down during that period of time. It should
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have been going up exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
The oh, the awareness, you think, the awareness, it's just
the coverage of that. No matter where you stand on
campus issues, the fact that you would just talk about. Look,
there's some things that we thought we had settled long ago,
especially after World War Two, right, is that we should
not be discriminating against people based on religion, and we
should not in any aspects have any remnants of anti
(34:39):
Semitism in the United States going into the twenty first century.
What this poll suggest is that the people who are
blaming a Jewish people for a number of things that
we thought we got rid of in mid century last
century is going up, whether they're blaming them on control
of media or control of this, and that those tropes
that we I thought had been gone years ago are
(35:02):
coming back.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah. And the problem is, you wonder, and I don't
know if this was broken down by age, but you
would hope that the baby boomers whose parents survived, whose
parents lived through World War Two, as my parents lived
through World War two, would have taught their children well
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and they would have, you know, whether they were Jewish
or not, talked about the horrors of World War Two
and the horrors of concentration camps and what was the
eradication of millions of people. So my question is there
any correlation here that says baby boomers are dropping their
(35:48):
support or is this that the younger generations maybe don't
have an appreciation of the horrors of the nineteen thirties
and the nineteen forties worldwide.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's a good question. This poll didn't break it down
as much, but in previous reporting that I have done,
we've seen evidence that the gen Z and even millennials
did not get the Holocaust education that we'd assume they
would sugar have received. So if you ask in various
polls I've done and various stories I've done about Poles,
gen Z doesn't know some basic facts about the Holocaust.
(36:24):
There are a lot of different states, and it really
depends on where you live. I used to live in Massachusetts.
I used to live in Chelsea, and I know that
there there was a different sort of education. Now I
live here in New Mexico, and you don't get a
lot of those discussions, lessons, panel gatherings where you talk
to Holocaust of vibrus, or even talk to some basic
(36:45):
things about the Holocaust in World two that we're losing.
And this is a real person to me. You know,
I'm a nephew of a Holocaust liberator. He would tell
me stories when I was younger, and I didn't really
fully understand until I got older. And what he's all
he came back and got involved in civil rights because
of what he witnessed and what he saw at getting
(37:07):
liberating the Nortingburg North Hysome camp. That that was very
educational to me. Now, you know, it is my duty
to share this with my daughters. I don't know if
other people are doing that as well. And we're letting
social media where a lot of these anti Semitic tropes
get a lot of break.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
That is the other element again, you know, it's the
people getting their news from social media that is frightening. Russell.
I really enjoyed this conversation. I wish I had known
you when you were here in Chelsea. But let's keep
in touch and we'll have you back on. This is
your beat. Let's let's stay in touch.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Okay, absolutely, Miss Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Love it up there, all right, Russell Contreras Justice and
Race reporter of Axios. How can people is axios now available?
Do you need to subscribe? How can we we can
get it your information in front of some of my audience.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Just go to straight to axios dot com. You can
go to acxuos dot com Slash newsletters and subscribe for
free to our am newsletter, getting your inbox free every morning.
Also in the afternoon, we also have Axios Boston, which
we cover Boston. I'm former Globe reporter myself Global alum too.
We cover just as some really good issues there. Go
ahead and do that. We'll have more in depth on
(38:26):
the story.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I've had some of the folks from Axios Boston on,
but we wanted to talk to you tonight about anti Semitism,
the lack of awareness that unfortunately screeping across the land.
Russell Contreras, Thanks so much for your time. We'll talk again.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
We'll start, we'll talk So, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Here comes the nine o'clock news after break and we're
going to talk to you about a really tough situation
for a group of families on Cape Cod and I
hope we can develop some, if not sympathy, least empathy
for these souls. We'll be back on night side.
It's anxiety with Dan Ray unfeeling you easy Boston's News radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I promise you if you keep listening to Night's Side tonight,
we will keep you warm, that's for sure. We'll have
some warm conversation during the first hour. We'll talk to
four individuals. No phone calls during the first hour, but
then we will get onto matters other Matter's going to
talk about the Cape Cod Bridge project and the pressure
that is being put on several families who live in
(00:29):
the shadow of the Sagamore Bridge. Really, this is some
tough pressure being applied by the state Department of Transportation
against these homeowners. And I know that it might not
impact you, it might not impact me, but it's something
we should talk about. I'll also talk about a sign
which has shown up at the parish, a Catholic parish
(00:54):
in Denham Dealing. Well, I'll get to it. It's an
interesting it's an interesting display. Let us put it like that,
and well, we're here for the rest of the evening.
My name is Dan Ray. Rob Brooks is back in
the control room. You'll talk to him before you get
on the air, and you'll only be able to get
on the air after the nine o'clock news. Just sit
(01:15):
back and relax. We have four very interesting topics. Going
to talk about the trends Google's trends in twenty twenty five.
Going to talk with Chad Finn of the Boston Globe
about the Patriots again, this team that surprises us all
every weekend, or surprises most of us. And we're going
to talk about a tough survey that shows that so
(01:35):
called allies seem to be abandoning people who are Jewish
as anti Semitism surges in this country. So I think
we've got to strengthen some people's backbones and have them
speak out against anti Semitism wherever that vile activity rears
its ugly head. Let's start off with Emily Sweeney of
(01:56):
the Boston Globe, Cold Case Files reporter. Hey, Emily, welcome
back to Night's side.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Hey Dan, hope you're staying warm.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, I meanside. So I know that there's some activities
outdoors in Boston tonight. It's winter is finally as well
is here. It's not finally here. I think it's arrived
a little early. But we're going to take a look
back in time, not at how cold it is going
to be. The last the next couple of days. But
we're going to look back about forty five years later
with you again. You have these cold case files, and
(02:27):
this is a murder of a woman named Teresa Corley.
Tell us about it forty five years ago. That's going
to take us back to nineteen eighty I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, actually nineteen seventy eight, Okay, December fifth. Teresa
was nineteen years old, living with her family in Bellingham,
and she went out to a back called the Train
Stop in Franklin. You know, it's friends, Sure, yep, she
(02:58):
you know, ended up getting into an iging with the
guy she was with. Left the bar. It was like,
you know, I'm going to walk home. And it was
about five and a half miles away.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's a long walk, huh at any time of day,
particularly at night.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely, and so you know, obviously it's dangerous to
be out walking alone. Turns out, a group of guys
that she knows picks her up, three or four guys,
and they drive her to the Presidential Arms Apartments and
Root one forty in Franklin, where she's sexually assaulted and
(03:35):
Portosa you know, leaves in the we you know, very
early in the morning, and you know, she was tried
to get out of there so quickly that she was
wearing mismatched shoes when she left one of her shoes
and one of the shoes belonging to one of the guys,
and she started, you know again, making her way home.
(03:57):
And she was last seen in Bellingham Center and a
mile from her house by a truck driver. And then
she disappeared, and she wasn't found for two days and
then her her naked body was found in a wooded
area right off four nine in Bellingham.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, this sounds like a horror movie. So so she
has an argument with a guy in the bar. I'm
assuming that they must have looked at him, the authorities,
the police, fairly closely.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So she she was out with with a lot of friends,
you know, and police have said, you know, she she
was socializing with numerous people that evening. And it's just
so strange too, you know, to have you know, have
a you know, picked up by a group of guys,
you know, and then being taken to this apartment.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do we know, how do we know that? Do we
know who these these guys were? But they just driving
along and they saw her and offered her a ride
or were they people?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't know her and they knew
her and they're like, hey, you know, do you want
to lift? You know, And obviously it seems probably seemed
like a better option at the time, you know, absolutely
sure December. You know, it's just very strange, you know,
her leaving the apartment and then you know that there's
two options of what happened. Either one of the guys
(05:26):
you know or you know, some of them, you know,
went after her, or she was attacked a second time
by somebody completely different.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah that seems yeah, that seems unlikely. But get a
small town police department in nineteen seventy eight, I get it.
I assume the state police had to commit on this
one because it's a homicide.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah yeah, So you know, I talked to her, her sister, Jerry,
just yesterday, and you know, about the case and how
it was going, you know, and Jerry has always said,
you know, and you know, other investigators have I'm sure
agree that you know, this is a solvable case. You
know that that people involved are still probably out there,
(06:13):
still around, and you know, if somebody I don't know
has a change of hot after all this time, and
it's also DNA at play as well.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That was good. That's my next question was if if
she was raped or is actually assaulted. I assume that
they had some DNA and man, I'll tell you, uh,
it's it's a small group of people who had interactions.
Did the police know the three men? How do we
(06:45):
know that that they knew her? They were that they
were friends that obviously she never communicated this was any anyone,
This was pre self cell phones speriods. Did they Did
the police have any idea you know, who the person
was she had to fight in the bar with there
or other ways that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, yes, yeah, the guys in the apartment obviously. You
know it's a key link, you know to the last
night that she was alive, and I mean Jerry told
me her sister, you know, I mean there was some
(07:23):
swabs taken from a body that a law enforcement source
told her were unfortunately damaged when there was a flood
where they were being stored and there it was either
a flood or a fire, but there was water damage.
But there is some more DNA that continues to be tested.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I reached out to the Norfolk DA's office and started
to be talking so fast. It's just a lot of
you know, it's a complicated case, and you know a
lot of time has passed. But Dan, I do like
to focus sometimes on these cases because this could be
the last chance, you know, there might be somebody out
there that they could you know.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So I'm looking at I'm looking at the piece out
of the Globe back in the day, and wow, this
she was in junior high school. She was was in
her second year at Holliston Junior High School. According to
(08:33):
the Globe piece written by Tim Dwyer and Lonnie Isabelle.
Uh oh, this this one is this one. Definitely hopefully
we can get we can get you a lead, Emily.
Great work. I know that these are tough cases to
talk about, and I know they are tough cases to
work on, and I thank you for what you're doing
real quickly. How can people follow you work? And how
(08:53):
can they get actually on the mailing list and get
some of this information sent to them? The information is free,
as I understand it. Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, so two things, you know, if anybody has
information about the case. The Norfolk DA's office told me
that Sergeant Jeffrey Karkowski with the say police unresolved case
unit is on this case, and you can call one
eight five y five m A Solved to give any
(09:24):
information that you have of the case. And if you'd
like to sign up for my cold case newsletter, you
can do that on the Globe's website if you go
to Globe dot com slash cold case files.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The other thing what people could do, Emily, I'm sure
could contact you with the Globe because you know the ses,
and I think that would be if I had information
in the case, I would be calling you so that
you could have the information before I called anybody, because
you're the one who works these cases. And I'm not
(09:58):
in any way, shape or form disparaging anyone else who
might have some interest in solving this case. But boy,
this is this is a terrible, terrible case. To think
what this young young woman, young girl went through in
the final twenty four hours of her life in the
town of Bellingham, Massachusetts. This is, this is this one
(10:19):
has to be solved. Emily, Thank you so much, as always. Okay,
we'll talk to you a couple.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Of ye Yes, all right, thanks all right, Thanks so much, Dan,
have a great night.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Good night, tough case. Emily Sweeney at The Boston Globe.
If you have a thought on that, feel free to
contact her. She's a great reporter. But we get back
on to talk about Google's annual Year in Search twenty
twenty five, the top search trends and topics that fascinated
the world. Christina Basilio, the Google trends expert, will join us.
She's been with us before. We'll talk to her right
(10:47):
after the break. Here on a very cold Thursday night
here in New England.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, it's that time of year again where Google, I
guess monitors and then sends out a report on the
top search trends and topics during the year. That is
now ending with us. Is Christina Basilio. She's a Google
(11:20):
trends expert. Christina, Welcome back to Night's Side.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So great to be here.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I was sent a link here which linked me
to the twenty twenty four search. Is the twenty twenty
five search completed? Have you publicized it yet or are
we going to kind of talk about what the trends
will be when you finally announce it.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
We announced it today, so anyone that's interested. You get
over to trends at Google dot com and then you
can click the urine search tab and then you'll be
able to see all the breakout and most interesting trends
that we you saw across multiple categories in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay, well, let's talk about a few of them that
would be interest. Let's wet people's appetite. What were the
biggest trends that you saw? If you've I know that
you do this by many categories, but you know, just
pick a two or three that we can chat about.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, so I think one of the things that people
are most interested in is what was top searched across
the Internet in general. So we look at aggregated and
anonymised data to pull all of this together. And some
of our biggest searches this year were K pop Demon Hunters,
the movie on Netflix. The Boo Boos were actually really
popular this year. It was really interesting to see that
(12:42):
actually the FIFA Club World Cup was in our top
ten list and has shown up across a couple of
different categories as well, like sports teams.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, so that wouldn't surprise me if you're doing this internationally,
because soccer might not be the biggest sport in this
country football and baseball. I think in basketball far out
distance soccer, but worldwide that's a bit of a different story.
So what were the first two categories you mentioned? There?
Was la booboo? Was that a doll or something? I
(13:14):
must admit to you. I know a lot about a
lot of things, but I don't know a lot about labubu.
So since it was so popular, help me get caught
up here. What was la buobu?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Yeah? So labubus are these little plushies. They kind of
look like little grimlins. They're furry, they have cute little faces,
and you can get them in like different colors, and
the kids are buying them. And the way that I
would think about them for anyone who's never seen or
experienced a la booboo, it's like a backpack charm. You
can put it on your backpack, you can carry it
with you, and I feel like it's the modern day
(13:47):
beanie baby.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I had a great deal of familiarity with beanie
babies because my kids were sort of into well, my
daughter was into that. In the nineteen nineties. Of course,
many parents were saying, we're going to buy these beanie
babies and they're going to pay for the kids college education.
I assume there's not that anticipation with Labubus. They're buying
(14:10):
it for the right reasons. Uh, And they're not, you know,
stockpiling them in the attic in hopes of paying off
the college education for their children.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I assume, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't think so. I think all the parents learned
from the beanie baby phays that we just get the
cute plushies because they're cool, not because they're an investment.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And what was the movie before that? That was the
second thing you mentioned in the first movie went right
by me. What what was the name of the movie
that there was a big search search item here.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, it was Cape k Pop Demon Hunters. I don't
know if they have a lot of really popular songs.
It's about this.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
South Korean group, Yeah group right kop Okay, I'm up,
I'm up. Not bad them kind of up a little bit.
So they did a movie.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, So there was a really popular movie. It was
like one of the most watched movies on Netflix. It's
an animated movie and it was really cool because the
music from that movie also started making some breakout searches
this year across our music categories too.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Okay, was that it pick a serious category, which was
I mean, we had, you know, a lot of politics
in this country. Do you do you follow political My
audience would be interested in what the top political search
was for or something like that.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
So we do. Yeah, we do look at what's really
top of mind, and we always see things like political
figures or major news events come up. We do have
our news category. In our news category, some of the
top things that were that were searched were the One
Big Beautiful Bill Act, the government shut down, and the
terriffs and some other things that popped up in the
(15:54):
news category were also the Los Angeles fires that happened
earlier this year, as well as Hurricane Melissa. So that's
really common that we see that pop up across a
few different All of.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Those make perfect, perfectly good sense to me because all
of those were either a crisis or a controversy. And
it's good to know that people are using Google to actually,
I guess, find out information about something that really impacts them.
I know, I'm going to sound like a curmudgeon when
I say, you know, the lebooboo whatever. I guess that
(16:29):
there's probably a lot of ten and twelve and thirteen
year old little kids who were searching for labuobo. But
I think that was hardening to think that people were
searching for things that were important to not only natural
disasters like the hurricane down in Jamaica, but the fires
in the last January in California which were horrible, as
(16:49):
well as the government shutdown which was a huge story
for about forty days, and the Big Beautiful Bill, so
called Big Beautiful Bill, which was controversial in so many respects.
That says to me that that your adult audience is
really following things that are important. And what about sports?
(17:09):
Give me a quick sports. I'm hoping you're going to
tell me it's going to be the resurgence of the
New England Patriots, which is going to be my next topic.
But the World Series got to be the World Series
with the Dodgers and the Blue Jays.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Well, it's really interesting in the data that we pull
because not only do we have national data, but we
also have regional data. So to your point around what
was really popular for folks that are local and your listeners,
the New England Patriots was the most popular jersey type,
So we did see that, which hopefully that that's because
people are excited for how they're doing. And then Jeff
(17:49):
T his jersey was also really really popular among local
listeners too.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Who is that I missed it? What was that name?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Jeff pe.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Jeff T. Yeah, he doesn't play for the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
He did not play for the Patriots. He's an American
basketball player, so different sport.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, I was thinking, uh, the Patriots quarterback Derek May
you know? Okay, good enough, all right, Okay, I'm gonna
let you go. Christina Basilio, Google's trends expert. I'm sure
this is a job with a lot of pressure on it,
though you sound very relaxed whenever we talk. Thanks so
(18:35):
much for joining us tonight, Christine. I always enjoy chatting
with you.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Thank you, guys. Have a great night.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We sure will. We come back on and talk about
something I know a little bit about, and that is
the new week of Patriots Go Talk with Chad Finn,
Boston Globe sports reporter. He says the Patriots defense against
the Giants was the most vicious he scene since the
time they were winning Super Bowls. They did a good
night on Monday Night against Giants team that I think
(19:01):
has got three wins, so it's it was it Probably
they were not running, I guess against one of the
best teams. Patriots have had the easiest schedule of any
NFL team this year, but they've taken advantage of it,
and that's part of winning, and that's part of maybe
a trip to the Super Bowl. We'll find out from
Chad Finn coming right up on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
A delighted to be to welcome back Chadfinn. Boston Globe
Sports Report of Chad. I was just talking with a
Google trends expert, and I didn't know a lot about
the things she was talking about. But you know a
lot more about the Patriots defense than I do. You
called them last weekend the most vicious Patriots defense was
seen since they were winning Super Bowls. Pretty interesting characterization.
(19:55):
What prompted that that adjective to s bid you a column?
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Yeah, Dan, it was basically them knocking Giants quarterback Jackson
Dart silly during that game.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
He got hit so hard.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Along the sideline by Patriots lambacker Christianellis that Drake made
the Patriots Quarterwack said, you could hear it throughout the stadium.
So when that happens and it kind of continues for
the whole game, or there were big hits all over
the place, and we found out afterwards that was kind
of an emphasis for them in that game against the Giants.
(20:31):
It reminded me of really the last time they were
a two championship contending team, and they're kind of looking
like one right now.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They are, but you know better than me that they
have had a relatively easy schedule in terms of strength opponents.
It looks to me that they well, I know they
have the Ravens left, and they have Buffalo in Miami.
I think that covers the balance of the schedule. Buffalo
has to come here. They've already beaten Buffalo with Buffalo.
(21:01):
I think they'll be a favorite in that game here.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Oh that's a good question. I think they will be
because they're going to be going into it eleven and two,
and the memory in people's minds is probably going to
be this Monday night game against the Giants where they
look so good. It was really sort of the national
coming out party for Drake May where these national reporters
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from ESPN come in see him in person for the
first time and walk away raving, and that's kind of
elevated the perception of them a little bit. I think
they will be favored against the Bills in the bigger picture.
Their schedule has been easy. You don't win ten in
a row no matter how easy or hard your schedule
is usually. That's a real tribute to them. But I
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think people need to consider too that the Patriots were
supposed to be one of those easy teams on other
franchises schedules this year, and they've turned out not to be.
They've turned out to be one of the better teams
in the league.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So a lot of this has to go to Rabel.
I mean, a team does not turn around like this
without a great job by a coach. He's got to
be coaches the year, no matter what happens from here
on out. They look like they believe in Rabel. Whatever
Rabel is selling in the locker room, it looks to
me like they are buying.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
In Yes, And it's really interesting because it's definitely tactical.
He's a really good defensive coach. I think he recognizes
as all good coaches do something Bill Belichick did really
well too, is the best way to take a particular
talent that a player has and maximize that he's really
good at that. And you've seen that come through with
(22:42):
a lot of guys who were here last year who
were better players this year because of the coaching they're getting.
But the other thing Dan is he treats them like
human beings. And for all the success Belcher had, that
really wasn't his thing and it burned out like Brady,
it burned out. Rob Grinkowski didn't want to play here anymore.
(23:03):
Just was a grind every day. And I think if
you actually have a little bit of an emotional connection
with your players, that can go a long way. They
want to play for you, they like playing for you,
they're like coming to work every day. And so far
with Rabel, that's been one of his great strengths too.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well. I think every manager, coach, owner of a business,
head of a law firm or whatever, anyone who is
in charge of people needs to be more Mike Rabel.
You know, I think that he probably learned some tough
lessons in Tennessee. He didn't have the same success down
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there that he's had here. Didn't probably have a quarterback
like Drake May, which is a pretty good, pretty good start.
Do you think they can run the table from here
on out or what's your thought on that they could
they end up you know, butt fifteen and two.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I think it's plausible. I think Buffalo is the real
tough one here coming out at the Bay. Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
People are overrating the Ravens a little bit because Lamar
Jackson's beat up and he's not the same player this year.
They're they're perennial MVP court candidate quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
But that game, that game is in Baltimore. Is that
game in Baltimore?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I think yeah, Yeah, that's the road games.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A little tougher on the road. Okay, and maybe Miami
could be a sleeper too. I mean, you know who knows. Uh,
They're they're they've been up and down all all season.
But Buffalo has something to prove here. I mean, if
Buffalo comes in and lies down, uh and and and
does nothing, that that's going to tell me that the
Patriots are going to There's there's one team that can
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stop him, and that probably would be Denver.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, that's a good one. I think Houston's a really
tough matchup for the Patriots. They don't have a great
offense by any means, but their defense is uh one
of the best, if not the best, in the league,
and they can really get after the quarterback. I think
that would be one a rare game where the Patriots
have a hard time putting twenty something points on the board.
(25:11):
So that's a matchup i'd try to avoid. Denver is
interesting because they had a fantastic defense and I have
a lot of name recognition on defense, but got picked
up heart a little bit by the Washington commanders of
their backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I think there might be weaknesses there that the Patriots
could expose.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So what you suggesting, and I don't think it's unreasonable,
is that we should not be stunned if the Patriots
end up in the Super Bowl Game as the AFC champion.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Well, Dan, you know I'm writing about this for early
next week part of our bye week content.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
There's all yeah, yeah, you got to dig deep on
this one, Chad, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's a long two weeks. The two things I knew
I'd never see as a Bustin sports reporter, there's someoney
gruffy as a fan again, is the two thousand and
four Red Sox, it's just not possible winning after six years,
and then two thousand and one where the Patriots came
out of nowhere and went on to win that Super
Bowl and ran the table after being five and five,
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and this team reminds me a lot of that one team.
There's so many parallels, including Mike rabel Is, one of
the players Belichick brought in the free agent that years.
He's connected in both ways, but there are some similarities
I'm going to dive into. And any outcome this season,
any positive outcome of this team at this point, it's
(26:38):
not going to shock me. I think because of two things.
They have a great coach and they have a legitimate,
legitimately great young quarterback in Drake May and those two
things can take you far.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And they have good players around him. I like their
tight ends a lot. I mean, and May is want
enough to find Hunter Henry when when he's in trouble.
I think that's Henry's a smart player. And on defense,
as you said, they have good players. They got good
guys on special teams. I mean the punt returner, that
(27:10):
was an incredible punt return I think even better than
the first one that he took to the house earlier
this year. They're they got it all going on here,
So let's hope that that all of our dreams come
through for this team. And they also seem like a
good group of guys at this point. You know, the
(27:32):
last few years the Patriots have had some guys in
little domestic TIFFs and we got caught here or there
in a car. But these guys seem like all good citizens.
Have you guys had a chance to spend much time
in the locker room?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, a little bit. I've traveled a few games this
year and kind of seen them on the road too,
and I think that's true. I think one emphasis with
all the free agency brought and to revamped this roster
in the offseason was character. It's something Belichick actually prioritized
a good part of his time here, drafting guys who
(28:09):
were captains of their college team. That was the little
thing he liked to focus on. I think Rabel has
kind of taken that from him. And when you have
those locker.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Room full of those types of players, you can bring
in somebody that maybe has a little bit of baggage.
They did that with Stefan Diggs, An excellent wide receiver
who's had a history of getting frustrated when he doesn't
get the ball, and he's been a great fit. I
think in part because Rabel and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels
(28:41):
have emboldened him and let him be a little bit
of a leader. And they really have a great feel,
a great sense for how to how to maximize the
personalities of the players off the field as well as
they know.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Someone say that Diggs has been targeted the most of
any of the receivers and has the most reception. And
I've never heard a bad thing about Diggs. I mean,
maybe he didn't like his playing time situation as a
younger player, but Belichick brought in some guys who had,
you know, the proms off the field as well. Uh,
(29:15):
And I don't get a sense with this. These guys
seem like good citizens, so they're an easy team to
root for. Chad Finn, thank you so much. I really
enjoy talking sports with you. You you do a great
job and it's good to know and now find out
for the first time that you grew up here. You're
you're a Massachusetts guy or a New England guy.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm a New England guy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, from Maine, from Main Well, that's okay. It used
to be Maine used to be part of Massachusetts. So
you know, we we can call you can claim you
as our own as well. Chad Finn or the Boston Globe.
Chad is always thanks much for your time and your analysis.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Thanks about Stan. I was great talking here.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Talk all right, we get back. We're gonna finish up
with them one more guest. Uh And I'm not even
gonna tell you who it is. I want to surprise
you on the other time. Oh, you know what, I will.
I will because it's a serious subject. We're going to
talk about a survey that shows that so called allies,
people who have in the past supported Jewish people when
(30:15):
anti Semitism surges, seems to be seem to be dropping
away a little bit. Going to talk with Russell Contreras.
He's a justice and race reporter at Axios, So I
don't want to goof around about something like that. I
happen to consider that to be a very serious problem
in this country at this time. We'll talk with Russell
Russell Contreras of Axios right after this break on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Welcome back, everybody. I think anyone who listens to Nightside
knows that the whole concept of anti Semitism is something
that really bothers me. We will be talking with the
member of the Commission here in Massachusetts dealing with anti Semitism,
Dave Friedman is an attorney Harvard Harvard Law School. On
Tuesday Night, he actually a clerk for the US Supreme Court.
(31:08):
Smart guy. He's a Red Sox council but he serves
on this commission. Tonight, we're talking with Russell Contreras. He's
a justice and race reporter at Axios. And there's a
survey that has just come out from what's called Blue Square,
that is the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate group that
(31:31):
was founded by Patriots owner Bob Kraft. And unfortunately, the
statistics that they have come up with are a little
disheartening because even as anti Semitism has increased in this
country in the last two or three years, in the
wake of what happened on October the seventh, the support,
(31:52):
the stated support for the Jewish community and the concern
over anti Semitism seems to have waned. Who're going to
talk with Russell contraras about Russell. I looked at those numbers.
It's always tough to explain numbers on radio for obvious reason.
Charts and graphs that do a great job, but we
can't show charts and graphs. What's the bottom line that
(32:14):
you see here? And as the Axios Reporter, Justice and
Race Reporter these numbers. It's not a huge drop off,
but it's enough to drop off during a period of
time that trouble me. I'd love to know what.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You think that's correct. And this new survey by the
BLAF Square Alliance against Hay gives you some narrative that
something is going on. Anti Semitism has plateaued in many aspects.
That's like what some research say is a good thing
because it can't get any worse, right, you just can't.
But what we're finding is that people who are considered allies,
(32:52):
that number has dropped about forty percent in the last
two years that this survey has done. On the other side,
the number of quot unquot haters has increased by sixty
seven percent. So the number of people that we would
consider allies against anti Semitism has dropped and the number
of people who are openly saying like anti Jewish things
(33:13):
is increasing, and that you know, the number of tropes
that we have, whether they're soft anti semitism or heard
anti semitism, that's actually going up. So the survey is
saying they were going on in the wrong direction in
terms of outreach and in terms of education, and that
is what's disturbing to this group.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, there's one that that I see this. I'll try
to simplify a couple of them here. The familiarity with
anti Semitism in America has dropped from twenty percent in
December of twenty twenty three to sixteen percent in twenty
twenty five August of twenty twenty five. That is while
(33:53):
the hostage crisis in Israel is ongoing, that is while
Jewish students were being harassed at colleges and universities across
this country. That is why, that is when there was
a resurgence of the VDS movement, that number should not
be going down during that period of time. It should
(34:14):
have been going up exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
The oh, the awareness, you think, the awareness, it's just
the coverage of that. No matter where you stand on
campus issues, the fact that you would just talk about. Look,
there's some things that we thought we had settled long ago,
especially after World War Two, right, is that we should
not be discriminating against people based on religion, and we
should not in any aspects have any remnants of anti
(34:39):
Semitism in the United States going into the twenty first century.
What this poll suggest is that the people who are
blaming a Jewish people for a number of things that
we thought we got rid of in mid century last
century is going up, whether they're blaming them on control
of media or control of this, and that those tropes
that we I thought had been gone years ago are
(35:02):
coming back.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah. And the problem is, you wonder, and I don't
know if this was broken down by age, but you
would hope that the baby boomers whose parents survived, whose
parents lived through World War Two, as my parents lived
through World War two, would have taught their children well
(35:26):
and they would have, you know, whether they were Jewish
or not, talked about the horrors of World War Two
and the horrors of concentration camps and what was the
eradication of millions of people. So my question is there
any correlation here that says baby boomers are dropping their
(35:48):
support or is this that the younger generations maybe don't
have an appreciation of the horrors of the nineteen thirties
and the nineteen forties worldwide.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's a good question. This poll didn't break it down
as much, but in previous reporting that I have done,
we've seen evidence that the gen Z and even millennials
did not get the Holocaust education that we'd assume they
would sugar have received. So if you ask in various
polls I've done and various stories I've done about Poles,
gen Z doesn't know some basic facts about the Holocaust.
(36:24):
There are a lot of different states, and it really
depends on where you live. I used to live in Massachusetts.
I used to live in Chelsea, and I know that
there there was a different sort of education. Now I
live here in New Mexico, and you don't get a
lot of those discussions, lessons, panel gatherings where you talk
to Holocaust of vibrus, or even talk to some basic
(36:45):
things about the Holocaust in World two that we're losing.
And this is a real person to me. You know,
I'm a nephew of a Holocaust liberator. He would tell
me stories when I was younger, and I didn't really
fully understand until I got older. And what he's all
he came back and got involved in civil rights because
of what he witnessed and what he saw at getting
(37:07):
liberating the Nortingburg North Hysome camp. That that was very
educational to me. Now, you know, it is my duty
to share this with my daughters. I don't know if
other people are doing that as well. And we're letting
social media where a lot of these anti Semitic tropes
get a lot of break.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
That is the other element again, you know, it's the
people getting their news from social media that is frightening. Russell.
I really enjoyed this conversation. I wish I had known
you when you were here in Chelsea. But let's keep
in touch and we'll have you back on. This is
your beat. Let's let's stay in touch.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Okay, absolutely, Miss Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Love it up there, all right, Russell Contreras Justice and
Race reporter of Axios. How can people is axios now available?
Do you need to subscribe? How can we we can
get it your information in front of some of my audience.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Just go to straight to axios dot com. You can
go to acxuos dot com Slash newsletters and subscribe for
free to our am newsletter, getting your inbox free every morning.
Also in the afternoon, we also have Axios Boston, which
we cover Boston. I'm former Globe reporter myself Global alum too.
We cover just as some really good issues there. Go
ahead and do that. We'll have more in depth on
(38:26):
the story.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I've had some of the folks from Axios Boston on,
but we wanted to talk to you tonight about anti Semitism,
the lack of awareness that unfortunately screeping across the land.
Russell Contreras, Thanks so much for your time. We'll talk again.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
We'll start, we'll talk So, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Here comes the nine o'clock news after break and we're
going to talk to you about a really tough situation
for a group of families on Cape Cod and I
hope we can develop some, if not sympathy, least empathy
for these souls. We'll be back on night side.
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