October 10, 2024 • 37 mins
THE BOSTON GLOBE STORY OF THE CELTICS - 1946 – Present: The Inside Stories and Acclaimed Reporting on the NBA’s Banner Franchise with guest Chad Finn – Boston Globe Sports reporter
Boston Zoogoers Recycle Cellphones to Help Protect Gorillas with guest John Linehan, CEO of Zoo New England
Sober October and the Sober-Curious Movement with guest Dr. George Koob - Director of the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)
World Mental Health Day - How do you know if you're OK? Where do you fall on the "OK" scale? with guest Dr. Helen McKibben - author of Drop: Making Great Decisions
Boston Zoogoers Recycle Cellphones to Help Protect Gorillas with guest John Linehan, CEO of Zoo New England
Sober October and the Sober-Curious Movement with guest Dr. George Koob - Director of the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)
World Mental Health Day - How do you know if you're OK? Where do you fall on the "OK" scale? with guest Dr. Helen McKibben - author of Drop: Making Great Decisions
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio. Thanks very much, Nicole. As we head
into this a Thursday night, my name is Dan Ray.
Just try to look out and see if I can
see the northern lights And no, I didn't see them
at all. Just dark, just dark where I am, that's
for sure. My name's Dan Ray, host of Nightside, heard
(00:22):
every weeknight right here in WBZ from eight until ten o'clock,
eight until midnight. Excuse me, eight until midnight only if
it were eight until ten o'clock. No, only kidding. Dan
and Rob are back in the control room double teaming
with producers tonight, which always makes life interesting most of
the time easier, but makes it always interesting. We have
(00:42):
a couple of big topics we'll deal with later on tonight.
I'm going to talk about mass ballot question number five
that proposes giving tipped workers here in Massachusetts state minimum wage.
It's a little more complicated than that, but we're gonna
be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO of
the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, and then we're gonna help all
of you overcome the fear of public speaking, gloss of
(01:04):
phobia I had never heard of the word before. Gloss
of phobia is one of the most common fears of
phobia's and it effects an estimated seventy five percent of people.
And we'll have a very special author and transformational speaking
coach with us who we've had on before, Linda Ugolo.
So we've got an interesting night coming up. We start
off with a very interesting guest and a very interesting topic.
(01:27):
The Bruins are underway tonight. A couple of weeks from now,
the Celtics will be underway, and of course they have
the additional opportunity to defend Banner eighteen and maybe look
for Banner nineteen. And there's a new book out the
Boston Globe, Story of the Celtics nineteen forty six to President,
the inside stories and claimed reporting of the NBA's banner franchise.
(01:48):
No doubt about that. It is the NBA's banner franchise.
And with us, I'm delighted to have Chad Finn, a
Boston Globe reporter. He's the editor of this book. This book,
I believe is actually out Tuesday, this past Tuesday. It's
out an available Chad, Welcome to Night's at How are.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You I'm good, Dan. Yeah, it came out Tuesday, and
I've had to get over my fear of public speaking
with a couple of book events here these first couple
of nights.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't imagine you have a fear of public speaking.
I don't believe that. So where are the book about
a little bit? Yeah, we're the book events.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I had one in plain Villa, Unlikely Story, which is fantastic,
and then one up and conquered me. I'm sure it
gets in those bookstore. So we've got a few more
lined up, a few in Boston here coming up to
taking those days.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So this is, this goes, this goes all the way
back to nineteen forty six, as the as people who
do some math will recognize. Pretty soon in a couple
of years from now, the Celtics will be celebrating or
maybe even sort of that year number eighty. What a
great accomplishment over the these years. Look, it's one of
(03:01):
the storied franchises in for Montreal Canadians, the New York Yankees,
and the Boston Celtics. And I think those are the
top three, although not necessarily in that order. Tell us
about the variety of stories that date back all the
way to the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think that is the top three,
just iconic franchises. We did a book like this for
the Red Sox in twenty twenty three, and they came
around in nineteen oh one, so we had to dig
back even deeper. But maybe not a lot of people
know this about the Globe, but the Globe was around
forty five years before the Red Sox even started, so
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it was a pretty long history of covering all of
these teams from the very very beginning. It was a
little bit easier to put together a Celtics book just
because it's fairly contemporary, going back to nineteen forty six.
It's all not eighty years yet. It's stuff people are
still pretty well aware of. So it was it was
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fun to discover things I didn't know, but also revisit
a lot of things we do now.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, now you probably know a lot about the Celtics,
because again I know that you're a big sports guy.
Tell me one story maybe that surprised you. That's in
the book. Because if you don't know the story, I'll
bet you ninety five percent in my audience doesn't know
the story.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, one that really got me was Red Auerback was,
of course, the architect of the Celtics and genius for
decades until Rich Petino came along and then ninety seven
and kind of booted him to the side.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's team president's not coming through that door. Okay, so
we're okay.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Exactly. Not a lot of Rick Patino in the book.
But Red didn't want bub Hoosy back in the early
nineteen fifties, whoso's the star at Holy Cross and phenomenal
college player. But Red thought he was too small and
that he wouldn't hold up in the NBA. And he
called him a local yocul and said, what would I
(05:04):
do with that guy? I'm trying to put together winning
basketball team. The Celtics ended up with him kind of,
I guess their will, almost in a dispersal draft, and
he turned out to be the Coup's greatest point guard
in early in being history. So you got to be
lucky too, I guess that's so I.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Read was a better coach than maybe a director of
player personnel. I got to tell you my one Rick
Patino story. I actually lived in the same time as
Patino for a while, and I coached his little boy.
I don't know how many little boys he had, but
one of his little boys in T ball, which of
course is a pretty low stress athletic situation, and it
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was in the springtime, as you would expect me and
Patino stood in the outfield for every game. He must
have driven the kid to the game, stood in the
outfield every game on his phone. Never got off his phone,
never came in and said hello to the kids, never
came over and said hey, thanks very much for coaching
or anything. I just thought that was a very weird. Yeah,
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And as a result, I know there are a lot
of other stories about Rick Patinos, some of which we
can't talk about here on WBC if you know what
I'm talking about, like some of those restaurant stories.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Just thought it was very weird.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But yeah, I think that fits the irro against the
reputation that he had. He was probably on his phone
making a lot of bad traits because that's what he
did when he was there.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. Well yeah, So so look, you have some great writers.
Everybody knows, Bob Ryan, Jackie mcmonllind Lee Montfield, Dan Shaughnessy,
back to Holmes, Gary Washburn, Adam Himmel's back some of
the there are there some of the older writers who
maybe are not around to appreciate this book, but who
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were writing in the sixties and fifties. Did they have
beat writers not in the forties and fifties. Did they
have beat writers back then?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Assigned to it appeared to be Yeah, beat writer. A
guy named Jack Barry, who also covered the Red Sox
and was a really well regarded, well liked person in
the Boston sports community, covered the Celtics early.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You said, Jack Barry a r R Jack.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Barry, Yeah, b A R R.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Y remember reading him?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, his bylines on a lot of the early Bill
Russell stories. Another writer I thought was really fantastic, not
so much the early days, but later on in the
Bill Russell dynasty in the sixties Bob Sles, who went
on to be a sports edit at the Herald, but familiar. Yeah, yeah,
he had a really nice writing style, a little bit
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more modern maybe than some of the writers who came
before him on that beat.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Did you have at least one story in there about
Johnny most I.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Hope there is one story in there about Johnny most
A profiled pretty early on. We had a really hard
time finding a photo of Johnny mose Young. We couldn't
find one. I think he might have been born at
fifty years old.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, yeah, oh that's a great story and of itself. Yeah,
not the story when he when he lit his pants
on fire up in the in the press box.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
No, no, no, no, none of that. That's a that's
a favorite of the Boston sports media to tell among themselves.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, that old, that old press box at the Garden.
I don't know if you have had a chance. That
you're much younger than I am. I'm sure never had
a chance to sit up there. But yep, it was
a great cat bird seat, that's for sure for hockey.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And hang over the ice on the court there, Yeah,
fantastic view. I don't know how safe it felt, but.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
No it didn't. That absolutely didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So so the book is called The Boston Globe Story
of the Boston The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics, Okay,
and available right now from the Celtics nineteen forty six
to President, the inside Stories and aclaim reporter of the
NBA's ban of franchise, that's a great title.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It is the NBA's ban of franchise. Despite what the
Laker fans will say, I can remember at least I
think at least one or two of those Laker flags
were one I believe in many Minneapolis, if I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Mistaken, Yes, at least a couple.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah. And so therefore all of our eighteen were in Boston,
and that's important. This is accounting for great uh, you know,
holiday gift, Christmas gift. If you're going to someone's home
for Thanksgiving, instead of a bottle of wine, bring this
book and you'll you people gather around the book, it'll
be you'll be the hit of the party. Chad Finn,
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enjoy your stuff in the Globe all the time. And
I enjoyed a chance to catch up with your hair
and exchange a couple of funny stories. I really enjoy.
Appreciate you having.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Dan always great talking here.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Absolutely, we'll talk again anytime. Thanks Chad Finn. Boston Globe.
The new book, The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics
nineteen four to President. The Inside Story is in acclaim
reporting of the NBA's batter franchise. All right, we're gonna
take a quick break here. When we come back, we're
going to talk about a very interesting story with John Lennehan.
He's the CEO of Zoo New England and Boston Zoogoers
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will be able to recycle cell phones to help protect gorillas.
I'm interested as to how that story is gonna work out.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
On w b Z, the news Radio. Well, it's not
often that I get to talk with a personal friend
here on Nightside during the eight o'clock hour, but John Lennihan,
the CEO of Zoo New England, is a great personal friend. John.
Welcome to my program. Obviously you always welcome us to
the zoo. So now the tables are a little turn
How are you tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Hi, Dan, It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So I've seen this story here that you're asking people
to donate their cell phone or cell phone to the
to help gorillas at the Zoo New England. I didn't
realize that gorillas actually could use cell phones. Only kidding, John,
(11:12):
and I knew that that in that that new Gorilla
uh Den whatever habitat, which is spectacular for anyone who
wants to visit the zoo. You can't miss it. It
is the most unbelievable, uh experience that I have ever had.
I mean, you literally are standing a foot and a
(11:34):
half away from gorillas. They're looking at you, You're looking
at them. They're safe and you're safe.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Us and actually you're entertaining them.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I was just gonna say, dan, uh that that really
this cell phone collection program is about saving and helping
gorillas in the wild, particularly in the Congo.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So it's a.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Great program that allows everybody to become conservationists in a
very direct sense.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So what's the connection with the cell phones? The cell
phones then flown over there and made available to.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Be happy to explain it. It's really that the cell
phones contain some really rare and valuable minerals that help
the electronics to work, and the primary source of them
is actually in the gorilla habitat, and so by recycling them,
you are helping to save gorillas in the wild because
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this mining that takes place is extremely destructive to the
to the rainforest, but particularly the gorilla populations that live there.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Interesting. Interesting, So you said this is in specifically in
the Congo.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
That's correct, Yes, there there are great. There's a there's
a particular mineral called coaltan that is mined there. It's
mined in in very informal ways, but people move in
with their whole family, and not only is the habitat destroyed,
but but to feed their families, they are out hunting
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all the animals in the forest as well. So gorillas
are killed and injured both directly and indirectly by the
people that go in there to try to feed their families.
But it's it's something where a lot of people get
hurt because it's very informal mining without any sort of
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safety measures. And then this this coal tan is so
valuable that the cell phones that get recycled, it gets
taken out of them and put into other cell phones.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now this or a mineral, however you would describe it,
I had never heard of it, John. How much of
it is in an every cell phone? You said it's
cold in like co lt something correct?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Correct? And that is a mineral that helps the electronics
to work much more efficiently. So it's used on I
think it's the capacitors and it makes the transmission work
much more efficiently. And it is key to every cell
phone that everybody has, and so by doing this we
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you know, we've got collection bins that are out there
in schools and different organizations as well as at the
zoo every day, and people bring in their cell phones
and recycle them. We want people to use their cell
phones for as long as possible before they get rid
of them. But if they're going to get rid of them,
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you know, this is a very efficient way to do it.
And we get a little bit of money which is
invested back into gorilla conservation in the wild. So, you know,
the zoo is, you know how deeply committed the zoo
is the conservation of wildlife, and this is one way
that anybody who has a cell phone can help us
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do that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know what's what's great about the zoo is you
see the animals up close, obviously, but you have to
think as you do and realize that, look, these these
are wonderful creatures. They they're not you know, part of
the wildlife just here in Massachusetts or New Ekland or America.
That they exist in other parts of the world and
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they face dangers as powerful as they are. You have
people out there who are trying to, you know, just
trying to make money off off of wild animals. So
here is an opportunity to really make an impact. Now
I don't know how much coldan is at effort cell phone.
(16:03):
I assume it's not a heck of a lot, but
I assume everything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, I don't think it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
It does and it makes a real difference. And you know,
there are thousands of devices. We're part of a larger
group of zoos and other organizations that are trying to
collect these things and recycle them. We work through a
company called eco cell that is really committed to conservation
of gorillas. And when you protect the gorillas, you're you're
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actually protecting all the other wildlife out there. And literally
tens of thousands of devices are collected each year. Last year,
you know, it was almost eighty thousand different devices that
could have cold tan extracted from them and recycled. So
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it's a it's a really big effort, and yet it's easy.
It's it's you know, any organism, any school can take
one of our collection bins and collect phones. The main
program takes place from February first to September first, but
we have a receptacle at the zoo that's there every
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day and we collect them year round, but it's something
that you know, people can really make a difference for
gorillas and other wildlife. As you know, we have a
lot of conservation work we're doing locally, and people who
are visiting the zoo can just bring their phone with them,
their old phone and drop it in the bin and
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it's very easy, and they're helping us to make a
real difference here.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And I assume that they're concerned about privacy issues, they
can take the SIM card out or whatever like that.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
That's exactly right that we want them to do that
before they bring them, and you know we can take
them out as well.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
My last question, which is I always ask questions I
honestly don't know the answer to. I had never heard
of this mineral before. And if you know the answer, great.
How long has this mineral been involved? I mean, cell
phones now have been around what thirty years, I'm guessing
something like that in their most rudimentary form. How long
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have we known that this mineral which was in cell
phones was such an important echo element that had to
be protected in the natural habitat? How long has this campaign.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Been Honestly, I cannot answer that we've been doing this
recycling for about the last six years in twenty nineteen.
But I don't know the answer to how long in
the cell phone.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I just always I always ask probably one too many questions,
but that's what I'm trying to do, and people don't
realize we don't. We don't practice these interviews. These are
all live and they're spontaneous. John is always what's new
with the zoo, And I think people I saw zoo
lights are back up.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, Boston lights at Franklin Park Zoo is people.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So I pardon for that full pot, but I think
of them as zool lights. Go ahead, John, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, we do the zoo lights that'll be coming up
shortly at Stone Zoo. That's more of a traditional holiday festivity,
but Boston Lights has till November three to get out
there and see it. But we also have a new
baby zebra that was born not too long ago. And
as you know, Dan, all the animals in the zoo,
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other than a few rescues, are captive born multiple generation,
and this new baby zebra is joining another zebra fold
that we had born in April. And so we've got
a lot of activity going on at the zoo and
a lot of excitement and just tons of people who
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are coming out with this beautiful weather we've had, and
both day and night to see the animals and to
see the lights at night.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh that's great. John Lenhan, Zoo, New England, not only
the Franklin Park Zoo but the zoo up in Stoneham
Stoneam Zoo, two great facilities. It's worth a trip to both. Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And anybody who wants who would like a recycling ben
can contact us through our website and we are excited
to have you as a partner in this program.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sounds great. John Lennahan, CEO, Zoo New England. Thank you, John.
I'll say to every bank you Dan all righty pleasure
by all right, wee come back. We're going to talk
about it more serious. Well it's not a serious issue,
but it's a more personal issue for a lot of people,
and that is what's called Sober October and the Sober
Curious movement. Going to talk with doctor George Coop, director
(20:48):
of the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Coming
back on Nightside right after the News at the bottom
of the hour.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ News. Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, as we leave the summer season and we move
into the fall, and pretty much we move into the
party time of the year. We're inside and we're enjoying
each other's company at Halloween parties and Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays,
on New Year's Jewish Jewish holidays oftentimes some of us
(21:23):
might on occasion over and vibe with us is doctor
George Coop. He is the director of the National Institute
of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and he's going to talk
about sober October and what's called now the sober Curious movement.
Doctor Coop, Welcome to Night's Side. Sober October. Well, that rhymes,
so I don't know if it's just for the rhyme
(21:44):
or not, or if this is the time of year
when people do start to take assessment of how much
they're drinking and under what circumstances.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, Hi, thanks for having me, And yes, Sober October
is an opportunity to evaluate your relationship with alcohol. So
if you stop drinking for an x amount of time,
and what I use as a metric, if you start
feeling better, you start sleeping better, your relationship with your
(22:13):
loved ones is getting better. You're more likely to get
to work on time, finish your jobs on time. Then
you should pay attention. And your body is trying to
tell you something, so you may want to listen to
your body.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Okay, So there's another element here, and it's called the
sober curious movement. I think I know what that is,
what that means, But why don't you explain it. I'm
sure you are much more informed about it than I am.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, I think it incorporates sober October, dry January, but
also the issue of alternates to alcohol in celebratory events.
We have now mocktails that are sold at many restaurants.
There are dry bars where you can go, and you know,
(23:05):
one of the things we advocate is it in any
celebration where beverages containing alcohol are served. It's always a
great idea and really a kind thing to do and
a healthy thing to do to have non alcohol containing
beverages available for anyone that wants them, even someone who
wants to make sure they're not drinking too much. But
(23:26):
someone who you know, just doesn't want to m vibe
because the next day they have a big report to
do or a huge job that they got to work on,
and they want to be at full steam.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is there a growing attitude towards alcohol in the country.
I mean, we did go through the prohibition era about
one hundred years ago and the country turned away from
non alcoholic activities. And it's always been a big part
of a cell. Sometimes it's too big a part. I'm
(24:02):
just wondering, are there any trends that are suggesting the
young people are now having second thoughts about a lifestyle
that is infused with alcohol. Are there are there any
studies of trends that you could tell us about.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, there seems to be pretty good evidence that Generation
Z is more interested in a healthy lifestyle, which means
less partaking of alcohol, you know, outside the moderate levels.
And you know, I think we have seen for twenty
years now a decrease in underage drinking, and you know,
(24:38):
that's the good news. The bad news is, to be
honest with you, is that women now in the underage
group and also twenty one to twenty six year old
group are actually drinking more than men for the first
time in history. And that's been going on now for
three to five years. So there's a whole bunch of
shifting trends. We also have a much los to increase
(25:00):
in drinking and the elder popular population individuals over sixty five,
And that's probably a cohort effect, but there's so many
of them because of you know, the baby boomers, that
we're seeing large increase in drinking in more aged population.
So you know, there's a multiple things going on at
(25:20):
the same time. But I think that the general trend
with young people is we want a healthier lifestyle and
we want to you know moderate.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What is causing young women, young women particularly to to
im buy more than their male counterparts.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean, yeah, they're even been drinking more more than males.
Now I suspect it. You know, it's a whole series
of issues, mostly cultural that women are a major part
of the workforce. Now they do what men do, so
they're celebrating with men there. You know, when the group
goes out to drink, they go out to drink with them.
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That was not the case for many years and and
I and I suspected that that's that's part of it.
The negative side of all this, though, is that women
are more susceptible to the deleterious effects of alcohol, so
they tend to have you know, more likely to get
the pathology associated with alcohol, with liver disease, more likely
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to have you know, you know, depression and anxiety, which
can be exacerbated by excessive drinking, more likely in some
cases to advance through the stages toward an alcohol use
disorder faster than men. So all of these things, you know,
(26:48):
they end up with more hospitalizations and they get less
treatment than men. So there's there's a whole series of
you know, risk cost difference between men and women that
makes the increase in drinking and women particularly problematic.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So let me ask you a question for those in
the audience right now who are listening and say, well,
you know, I do I have an occasional this or
an occasional that, and maybe have a couple of these
occasional things. What is the standard that your organization feels
is a safe level? Or is there a safe level
at which people can use but not abuse liquor alcohol
(27:34):
be or y? Is there is there any sort.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Of Yeah, So we tend to go with the cd
the not the CDC, the the Department of Agricultures. Okay, Now,
it's the Department of Agriculture that sets the dietary guidelines,
and so the dietary guidelines are two drinks a day
for men and one drink a day for women. No
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more than you know, fourteen a week for men, no
more than seven for women. I mean, these are guidelines. Okay,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, I totally understand that. But I don't want people
who are listening, if they're doing a lot more, not
to be aware of those guidelines. And if there are
people who are below those guidelines, I don't want people
to think, well, you know, I need to be able
to drink more. Look, if that's what it is, that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, those are the US Department of Agriculture guidelines. But
I think I should mention that basically, the risk with
alcohol goes up with the more you drink, and they're
just some people who shouldn't drink if you're pregnant, if
you're thinking about getting pregnant, if you already have compromise
liver function. You know, the elderly who are taking lots
(28:46):
of medications that are sedative drugs that you know, sleeping
pills or anti anxiety pills, or even opioids for pain,
all of those mixed with alcohol in a bad way.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's a tough that's a bad That is definitely a
bad mix, Doctor Coop. I appreciate you taking the time.
How can folks get more information on this? There must
be a website you could direct this too.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's very simple. If you just type in an
I A A A, you'll on the first or second line.
You'll come to our website and there's lots of really
cool information there. There's a box on the front tells
you all the stats I've been going through.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Good. Well, that's it. Yeah, a lot of people are
driving right at this hour of the night, and so
they can check them out tomorrow, later this evening or
over the weekend again. The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse
and Alcoholism H five letters NI AAA or NI triple
A would be another quick way to remember. Thank you
very much, doctor George Koop, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Thank you, Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're very welcome. We come back on and talk about
another serious issue, and that's World of Mental Health Day.
I guess it is. Today. We're gonna be talking with
an author, doctor Helen mckibbon coming back. She's an author
and a therapist. Me back on Nightside. Now back to
Dan Ray Live from the Window, World Night Side Studios
on WBZ News Radio. Well, today is World Mental Health Day.
(30:11):
I was not aware that it's World Mental Health Day,
but this tells me it is, uh and I'm about
to interview doctor Helen mckibbon, who's an author of a
book called Drop Making Great Decisions. And I also believe
doctor McKinnon that maybe folks can start to figure out
how they know if they're okay? Is there actually something
(30:34):
called an okay scale? This article would suggest that exists.
I was unaware of that.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Whether you're okay or not is very much dependent on
what I call a feeling disease in art society that
affects depression, anxiety, and substance abuse. And that scale, if
you will, is dependent on if you emerge from into childhood,
(31:03):
from a childhood into adulthood with self trust and trusting
your thoughts, feelings and ideas people read you is very
solid and that they can't knock you off balance. You're okay,
You're stable if, however, in your gears of development, you
don't get enough reinforcement for listening to that feeling part
(31:25):
of you, that thought or idea. You emerge into adulthood
reading other people for what do you should feel, what
you should say, and what you should do instead of yourself?
And that is not okay. People can smell it. People
use it against you, particularly at work or in applying
(31:49):
poor jobs.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, So I just listened to that explanation, and it
sounds to me when we reduce that explanation to its
or that what you're saying is it's better to be
yourself than to try to be someone you're not.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Absolutely okay, tell us why that's important.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Let me use the example of an individual who's emerged
into adulthood not listening to themselves. They go for a
job interview, and the person reads that's interviewing them reads
that they need accolades from them or they're dependent on
(32:35):
their point of view. The interview or sees the person
flipping into reading and trying to please the interviewer, and
that person who's interviewing them goes, ah, I've got their number.
I can get them to do whatever I want. I
can use them, I can break their boundaries, I can
(32:55):
call them day or not. I can use them to
do whatever the work I want us. They get into
the job with not listening to themselves and self doubt
and the employees around them start coming to them and saying, hey,
can you do this work for me? I want to
leave early, or start bullying them or gas lighting them,
(33:17):
or coming to them for hours talking about personal problems.
It is not okay, as you said earlier, because it's
people's read of you that determines if you're going to
end up with costly disabilities like that building stress or
(33:38):
interaction with other people leading to depression, anxiety, and substance abuse,
which is causing our nation mental health lives trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay? Is that condition as you describe it, is that correctable?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yes? And that is what my book is about. And
that's my life's work, Dan, that I created a simple
neuroscience method. So the individual who finds themselves in situations
where they keep getting employed by the same people and
people aren't treating them well as coworkers, they go, what
am I doing wrong? Then they come to resources like
(34:17):
podcasts or books and say, what am I doing wrong?
My life's work is giving them a simple neurological based
method to reverse themselves back to listening to their first feeling,
thought or idea and emerging into adulthood by listening to
the brain in the way it's already designed to make
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great decisions, thus have self confidence, and they can't be
knocked off balanced.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
How is this condition recognized or recognizable by the individual
who has lived that way for many, many years. I mean,
you know, if you've break your leg, you have a
pretty good idea that you're broken your leg, right, But
(35:06):
when you're talking about someone's mental health, how did they
figure out on their own that they first have a problem.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Growd brains are designed to be pretty pliable until earlier
mid twenties, and then the unhappiness or the way we're
being treated or the stress that cause starts to build.
And by the mid to late twenties we are starting
to experience anxiety or depression or substance abuse, eating disorders,
(35:38):
panic disorders, and we go, what is wrong with me?
I'm a nice person, I'm a hard worker. How come
people are treating me this way? How can I keep
getting these same kind of bosses who try to use
me or walk all over me. That's the recognition that
they finally get as they move into their late twenties thirties.
(36:01):
That's when they reach out for help and go, what
am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay. Now, your book is entitled Drop Making Great Decisions
by doctor Helen mckibbon. Is this available? Has it just
come out? Has it been out for a while? Tell
us real quickly how easily people can get that book
if they would like.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
There was launch May fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is
available Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It is available through my
website Helen mckibbon dot com, which also gives all of
your listeners open view into how to use this method
(36:45):
to rewire the brain back to the default of listening
to your own thoughts, feelings, and ideas and getting respected
by other people, not walked all over in adulthood. That's
great website, MCKI you access.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yes, Doctor Helen McKibben, an author and therapist. The book
drop colon Making Great Decisions by doctor Helen mckibbon. Thanks
for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it
a lot. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Well, thanks for having me, Dan.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're welcome. You're very welcome. When we get back, we're
going to talk about the Massachusetts questions Massachusetts ballot question
number five giving tipped workers the state minimum wage. It's
an interesting question. And it's one that people should get
enough information on so they can make a decision about it.
We'll be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO
(37:37):
of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, right after the nine o'clock
news
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio. Thanks very much, Nicole. As we head
into this a Thursday night, my name is Dan Ray.
Just try to look out and see if I can
see the northern lights And no, I didn't see them
at all. Just dark, just dark where I am, that's
for sure. My name's Dan Ray, host of Nightside, heard
(00:22):
every weeknight right here in WBZ from eight until ten o'clock,
eight until midnight. Excuse me, eight until midnight only if
it were eight until ten o'clock. No, only kidding. Dan
and Rob are back in the control room double teaming
with producers tonight, which always makes life interesting most of
the time easier, but makes it always interesting. We have
(00:42):
a couple of big topics we'll deal with later on tonight.
I'm going to talk about mass ballot question number five
that proposes giving tipped workers here in Massachusetts state minimum wage.
It's a little more complicated than that, but we're gonna
be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO of
the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, and then we're gonna help all
of you overcome the fear of public speaking, gloss of
(01:04):
phobia I had never heard of the word before. Gloss
of phobia is one of the most common fears of
phobia's and it effects an estimated seventy five percent of people.
And we'll have a very special author and transformational speaking
coach with us who we've had on before, Linda Ugolo.
So we've got an interesting night coming up. We start
off with a very interesting guest and a very interesting topic.
(01:27):
The Bruins are underway tonight. A couple of weeks from now,
the Celtics will be underway, and of course they have
the additional opportunity to defend Banner eighteen and maybe look
for Banner nineteen. And there's a new book out the
Boston Globe, Story of the Celtics nineteen forty six to President,
the inside stories and claimed reporting of the NBA's banner franchise.
(01:48):
No doubt about that. It is the NBA's banner franchise.
And with us, I'm delighted to have Chad Finn, a
Boston Globe reporter. He's the editor of this book. This book,
I believe is actually out Tuesday, this past Tuesday. It's
out an available Chad, Welcome to Night's at How are.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You I'm good, Dan. Yeah, it came out Tuesday, and
I've had to get over my fear of public speaking
with a couple of book events here these first couple
of nights.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't imagine you have a fear of public speaking.
I don't believe that. So where are the book about
a little bit? Yeah, we're the book events.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I had one in plain Villa, Unlikely Story, which is fantastic,
and then one up and conquered me. I'm sure it
gets in those bookstore. So we've got a few more
lined up, a few in Boston here coming up to
taking those days.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So this is, this goes, this goes all the way
back to nineteen forty six, as the as people who
do some math will recognize. Pretty soon in a couple
of years from now, the Celtics will be celebrating or
maybe even sort of that year number eighty. What a
great accomplishment over the these years. Look, it's one of
(03:01):
the storied franchises in for Montreal Canadians, the New York Yankees,
and the Boston Celtics. And I think those are the
top three, although not necessarily in that order. Tell us
about the variety of stories that date back all the
way to the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think that is the top three,
just iconic franchises. We did a book like this for
the Red Sox in twenty twenty three, and they came
around in nineteen oh one, so we had to dig
back even deeper. But maybe not a lot of people
know this about the Globe, but the Globe was around
forty five years before the Red Sox even started, so
(03:41):
it was a pretty long history of covering all of
these teams from the very very beginning. It was a
little bit easier to put together a Celtics book just
because it's fairly contemporary, going back to nineteen forty six.
It's all not eighty years yet. It's stuff people are
still pretty well aware of. So it was it was
(04:02):
fun to discover things I didn't know, but also revisit
a lot of things we do now.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, now you probably know a lot about the Celtics,
because again I know that you're a big sports guy.
Tell me one story maybe that surprised you. That's in
the book. Because if you don't know the story, I'll
bet you ninety five percent in my audience doesn't know
the story.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, one that really got me was Red Auerback was,
of course, the architect of the Celtics and genius for
decades until Rich Petino came along and then ninety seven
and kind of booted him to the side.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's team president's not coming through that door. Okay, so
we're okay.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Exactly. Not a lot of Rick Patino in the book.
But Red didn't want bub Hoosy back in the early
nineteen fifties, whoso's the star at Holy Cross and phenomenal
college player. But Red thought he was too small and
that he wouldn't hold up in the NBA. And he
called him a local yocul and said, what would I
(05:04):
do with that guy? I'm trying to put together winning
basketball team. The Celtics ended up with him kind of,
I guess their will, almost in a dispersal draft, and
he turned out to be the Coup's greatest point guard
in early in being history. So you got to be
lucky too, I guess that's so I.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Read was a better coach than maybe a director of
player personnel. I got to tell you my one Rick
Patino story. I actually lived in the same time as
Patino for a while, and I coached his little boy.
I don't know how many little boys he had, but
one of his little boys in T ball, which of
course is a pretty low stress athletic situation, and it
(05:40):
was in the springtime, as you would expect me and
Patino stood in the outfield for every game. He must
have driven the kid to the game, stood in the
outfield every game on his phone. Never got off his phone,
never came in and said hello to the kids, never
came over and said hey, thanks very much for coaching
or anything. I just thought that was a very weird. Yeah,
(06:02):
And as a result, I know there are a lot
of other stories about Rick Patinos, some of which we
can't talk about here on WBC if you know what
I'm talking about, like some of those restaurant stories.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Just thought it was very weird.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But yeah, I think that fits the irro against the
reputation that he had. He was probably on his phone
making a lot of bad traits because that's what he
did when he was there.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. Well yeah, So so look, you have some great writers.
Everybody knows, Bob Ryan, Jackie mcmonllind Lee Montfield, Dan Shaughnessy,
back to Holmes, Gary Washburn, Adam Himmel's back some of
the there are there some of the older writers who
maybe are not around to appreciate this book, but who
(06:53):
were writing in the sixties and fifties. Did they have
beat writers not in the forties and fifties. Did they
have beat writers back then?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Assigned to it appeared to be Yeah, beat writer. A
guy named Jack Barry, who also covered the Red Sox
and was a really well regarded, well liked person in
the Boston sports community, covered the Celtics early.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You said, Jack Barry a r R Jack.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Barry, Yeah, b A R R.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Y remember reading him?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, his bylines on a lot of the early Bill
Russell stories. Another writer I thought was really fantastic, not
so much the early days, but later on in the
Bill Russell dynasty in the sixties Bob Sles, who went
on to be a sports edit at the Herald, but familiar. Yeah, yeah,
he had a really nice writing style, a little bit
(07:42):
more modern maybe than some of the writers who came
before him on that beat.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Did you have at least one story in there about
Johnny most I.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Hope there is one story in there about Johnny most
A profiled pretty early on. We had a really hard
time finding a photo of Johnny mose Young. We couldn't
find one. I think he might have been born at
fifty years old.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, yeah, oh that's a great story and of itself. Yeah,
not the story when he when he lit his pants
on fire up in the in the press box.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
No, no, no, no, none of that. That's a that's
a favorite of the Boston sports media to tell among themselves.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, that old, that old press box at the Garden.
I don't know if you have had a chance. That
you're much younger than I am. I'm sure never had
a chance to sit up there. But yep, it was
a great cat bird seat, that's for sure for hockey.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And hang over the ice on the court there, Yeah,
fantastic view. I don't know how safe it felt, but.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
No it didn't. That absolutely didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So so the book is called The Boston Globe Story
of the Boston The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics, Okay,
and available right now from the Celtics nineteen forty six
to President, the inside Stories and aclaim reporter of the
NBA's ban of franchise, that's a great title.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It is the NBA's ban of franchise. Despite what the
Laker fans will say, I can remember at least I
think at least one or two of those Laker flags
were one I believe in many Minneapolis, if I'm not.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Mistaken, Yes, at least a couple.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah. And so therefore all of our eighteen were in Boston,
and that's important. This is accounting for great uh, you know,
holiday gift, Christmas gift. If you're going to someone's home
for Thanksgiving, instead of a bottle of wine, bring this
book and you'll you people gather around the book, it'll
be you'll be the hit of the party. Chad Finn,
(09:42):
enjoy your stuff in the Globe all the time. And
I enjoyed a chance to catch up with your hair
and exchange a couple of funny stories. I really enjoy.
Appreciate you having.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Dan always great talking here.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Absolutely, we'll talk again anytime. Thanks Chad Finn. Boston Globe.
The new book, The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics
nineteen four to President. The Inside Story is in acclaim
reporting of the NBA's batter franchise. All right, we're gonna
take a quick break here. When we come back, we're
going to talk about a very interesting story with John Lennehan.
He's the CEO of Zoo New England and Boston Zoogoers
(10:13):
will be able to recycle cell phones to help protect gorillas.
I'm interested as to how that story is gonna work out.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
On w b Z, the news Radio. Well, it's not
often that I get to talk with a personal friend
here on Nightside during the eight o'clock hour, but John Lennihan,
the CEO of Zoo New England, is a great personal friend. John.
Welcome to my program. Obviously you always welcome us to
the zoo. So now the tables are a little turn
How are you tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Hi, Dan, It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So I've seen this story here that you're asking people
to donate their cell phone or cell phone to the
to help gorillas at the Zoo New England. I didn't
realize that gorillas actually could use cell phones. Only kidding, John,
(11:12):
and I knew that that in that that new Gorilla
uh Den whatever habitat, which is spectacular for anyone who
wants to visit the zoo. You can't miss it. It
is the most unbelievable, uh experience that I have ever had.
I mean, you literally are standing a foot and a
(11:34):
half away from gorillas. They're looking at you, You're looking
at them. They're safe and you're safe.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Us and actually you're entertaining them.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I was just gonna say, dan, uh that that really
this cell phone collection program is about saving and helping
gorillas in the wild, particularly in the Congo.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So it's a.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Great program that allows everybody to become conservationists in a
very direct sense.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So what's the connection with the cell phones? The cell
phones then flown over there and made available to.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Be happy to explain it. It's really that the cell
phones contain some really rare and valuable minerals that help
the electronics to work, and the primary source of them
is actually in the gorilla habitat, and so by recycling them,
you are helping to save gorillas in the wild because
(12:44):
this mining that takes place is extremely destructive to the
to the rainforest, but particularly the gorilla populations that live there.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Interesting. Interesting, So you said this is in specifically in
the Congo.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
That's correct, Yes, there there are great. There's a there's
a particular mineral called coaltan that is mined there. It's
mined in in very informal ways, but people move in
with their whole family, and not only is the habitat destroyed,
but but to feed their families, they are out hunting
(13:21):
all the animals in the forest as well. So gorillas
are killed and injured both directly and indirectly by the
people that go in there to try to feed their families.
But it's it's something where a lot of people get
hurt because it's very informal mining without any sort of
(13:43):
safety measures. And then this this coal tan is so
valuable that the cell phones that get recycled, it gets
taken out of them and put into other cell phones.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now this or a mineral, however you would describe it,
I had never heard of it, John. How much of
it is in an every cell phone? You said it's
cold in like co lt something correct?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Correct? And that is a mineral that helps the electronics
to work much more efficiently. So it's used on I
think it's the capacitors and it makes the transmission work
much more efficiently. And it is key to every cell
phone that everybody has, and so by doing this we
(14:37):
you know, we've got collection bins that are out there
in schools and different organizations as well as at the
zoo every day, and people bring in their cell phones
and recycle them. We want people to use their cell
phones for as long as possible before they get rid
of them. But if they're going to get rid of them,
(14:57):
you know, this is a very efficient way to do it.
And we get a little bit of money which is
invested back into gorilla conservation in the wild. So, you know,
the zoo is, you know how deeply committed the zoo
is the conservation of wildlife, and this is one way
that anybody who has a cell phone can help us
(15:18):
do that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know what's what's great about the zoo is you
see the animals up close, obviously, but you have to
think as you do and realize that, look, these these
are wonderful creatures. They they're not you know, part of
the wildlife just here in Massachusetts or New Ekland or America.
That they exist in other parts of the world and
(15:41):
they face dangers as powerful as they are. You have
people out there who are trying to, you know, just
trying to make money off off of wild animals. So
here is an opportunity to really make an impact. Now
I don't know how much coldan is at effort cell phone.
(16:03):
I assume it's not a heck of a lot, but
I assume everything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, I don't think it.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
It does and it makes a real difference. And you know,
there are thousands of devices. We're part of a larger
group of zoos and other organizations that are trying to
collect these things and recycle them. We work through a
company called eco cell that is really committed to conservation
of gorillas. And when you protect the gorillas, you're you're
(16:32):
actually protecting all the other wildlife out there. And literally
tens of thousands of devices are collected each year. Last year,
you know, it was almost eighty thousand different devices that
could have cold tan extracted from them and recycled. So
(16:52):
it's a it's a really big effort, and yet it's easy.
It's it's you know, any organism, any school can take
one of our collection bins and collect phones. The main
program takes place from February first to September first, but
we have a receptacle at the zoo that's there every
(17:15):
day and we collect them year round, but it's something
that you know, people can really make a difference for
gorillas and other wildlife. As you know, we have a
lot of conservation work we're doing locally, and people who
are visiting the zoo can just bring their phone with them,
their old phone and drop it in the bin and
(17:39):
it's very easy, and they're helping us to make a
real difference here.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And I assume that they're concerned about privacy issues, they
can take the SIM card out or whatever like that.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
That's exactly right that we want them to do that
before they bring them, and you know we can take
them out as well.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
My last question, which is I always ask questions I
honestly don't know the answer to. I had never heard
of this mineral before. And if you know the answer, great.
How long has this mineral been involved? I mean, cell
phones now have been around what thirty years, I'm guessing
something like that in their most rudimentary form. How long
(18:20):
have we known that this mineral which was in cell
phones was such an important echo element that had to
be protected in the natural habitat? How long has this campaign.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Been Honestly, I cannot answer that we've been doing this
recycling for about the last six years in twenty nineteen.
But I don't know the answer to how long in
the cell phone.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I just always I always ask probably one too many questions,
but that's what I'm trying to do, and people don't
realize we don't. We don't practice these interviews. These are
all live and they're spontaneous. John is always what's new
with the zoo, And I think people I saw zoo
lights are back up.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, Boston lights at Franklin Park Zoo is people.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So I pardon for that full pot, but I think
of them as zool lights. Go ahead, John, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, we do the zoo lights that'll be coming up
shortly at Stone Zoo. That's more of a traditional holiday festivity,
but Boston Lights has till November three to get out
there and see it. But we also have a new
baby zebra that was born not too long ago. And
as you know, Dan, all the animals in the zoo,
(19:37):
other than a few rescues, are captive born multiple generation,
and this new baby zebra is joining another zebra fold
that we had born in April. And so we've got
a lot of activity going on at the zoo and
a lot of excitement and just tons of people who
(19:57):
are coming out with this beautiful weather we've had, and
both day and night to see the animals and to
see the lights at night.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh that's great. John Lenhan, Zoo, New England, not only
the Franklin Park Zoo but the zoo up in Stoneham
Stoneam Zoo, two great facilities. It's worth a trip to both. Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And anybody who wants who would like a recycling ben
can contact us through our website and we are excited
to have you as a partner in this program.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sounds great. John Lennahan, CEO, Zoo New England. Thank you, John.
I'll say to every bank you Dan all righty pleasure
by all right, wee come back. We're going to talk
about it more serious. Well it's not a serious issue,
but it's a more personal issue for a lot of people,
and that is what's called Sober October and the Sober
Curious movement. Going to talk with doctor George Coop, director
(20:48):
of the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Coming
back on Nightside right after the News at the bottom
of the hour.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ News. Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, as we leave the summer season and we move
into the fall, and pretty much we move into the
party time of the year. We're inside and we're enjoying
each other's company at Halloween parties and Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays,
on New Year's Jewish Jewish holidays oftentimes some of us
(21:23):
might on occasion over and vibe with us is doctor
George Coop. He is the director of the National Institute
of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and he's going to talk
about sober October and what's called now the sober Curious movement.
Doctor Coop, Welcome to Night's Side. Sober October. Well, that rhymes,
so I don't know if it's just for the rhyme
(21:44):
or not, or if this is the time of year
when people do start to take assessment of how much
they're drinking and under what circumstances.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, Hi, thanks for having me, And yes, Sober October
is an opportunity to evaluate your relationship with alcohol. So
if you stop drinking for an x amount of time,
and what I use as a metric, if you start
feeling better, you start sleeping better, your relationship with your
(22:13):
loved ones is getting better. You're more likely to get
to work on time, finish your jobs on time. Then
you should pay attention. And your body is trying to
tell you something, so you may want to listen to
your body.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Okay, So there's another element here, and it's called the
sober curious movement. I think I know what that is,
what that means, But why don't you explain it. I'm
sure you are much more informed about it than I am.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, I think it incorporates sober October, dry January, but
also the issue of alternates to alcohol in celebratory events.
We have now mocktails that are sold at many restaurants.
There are dry bars where you can go, and you know,
(23:05):
one of the things we advocate is it in any
celebration where beverages containing alcohol are served. It's always a
great idea and really a kind thing to do and
a healthy thing to do to have non alcohol containing
beverages available for anyone that wants them, even someone who
wants to make sure they're not drinking too much. But
(23:26):
someone who you know, just doesn't want to m vibe
because the next day they have a big report to
do or a huge job that they got to work on,
and they want to be at full steam.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is there a growing attitude towards alcohol in the country.
I mean, we did go through the prohibition era about
one hundred years ago and the country turned away from
non alcoholic activities. And it's always been a big part
of a cell. Sometimes it's too big a part. I'm
(24:02):
just wondering, are there any trends that are suggesting the
young people are now having second thoughts about a lifestyle
that is infused with alcohol. Are there are there any
studies of trends that you could tell us about.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, there seems to be pretty good evidence that Generation
Z is more interested in a healthy lifestyle, which means
less partaking of alcohol, you know, outside the moderate levels.
And you know, I think we have seen for twenty
years now a decrease in underage drinking, and you know,
(24:38):
that's the good news. The bad news is, to be
honest with you, is that women now in the underage
group and also twenty one to twenty six year old
group are actually drinking more than men for the first
time in history. And that's been going on now for
three to five years. So there's a whole bunch of
shifting trends. We also have a much los to increase
(25:00):
in drinking and the elder popular population individuals over sixty five,
And that's probably a cohort effect, but there's so many
of them because of you know, the baby boomers, that
we're seeing large increase in drinking in more aged population.
So you know, there's a multiple things going on at
(25:20):
the same time. But I think that the general trend
with young people is we want a healthier lifestyle and
we want to you know moderate.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What is causing young women, young women particularly to to
im buy more than their male counterparts.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean, yeah, they're even been drinking more more than males.
Now I suspect it. You know, it's a whole series
of issues, mostly cultural that women are a major part
of the workforce. Now they do what men do, so
they're celebrating with men there. You know, when the group
goes out to drink, they go out to drink with them.
(26:04):
That was not the case for many years and and
I and I suspected that that's that's part of it.
The negative side of all this, though, is that women
are more susceptible to the deleterious effects of alcohol, so
they tend to have you know, more likely to get
the pathology associated with alcohol, with liver disease, more likely
(26:27):
to have you know, you know, depression and anxiety, which
can be exacerbated by excessive drinking, more likely in some
cases to advance through the stages toward an alcohol use
disorder faster than men. So all of these things, you know,
(26:48):
they end up with more hospitalizations and they get less
treatment than men. So there's there's a whole series of
you know, risk cost difference between men and women that
makes the increase in drinking and women particularly problematic.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So let me ask you a question for those in
the audience right now who are listening and say, well,
you know, I do I have an occasional this or
an occasional that, and maybe have a couple of these
occasional things. What is the standard that your organization feels
is a safe level? Or is there a safe level
at which people can use but not abuse liquor alcohol
(27:34):
be or y? Is there is there any sort.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Of Yeah, So we tend to go with the cd
the not the CDC, the the Department of Agricultures. Okay, Now,
it's the Department of Agriculture that sets the dietary guidelines,
and so the dietary guidelines are two drinks a day
for men and one drink a day for women. No
(27:58):
more than you know, fourteen a week for men, no
more than seven for women. I mean, these are guidelines. Okay,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, I totally understand that. But I don't want people
who are listening, if they're doing a lot more, not
to be aware of those guidelines. And if there are
people who are below those guidelines, I don't want people
to think, well, you know, I need to be able
to drink more. Look, if that's what it is, that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, those are the US Department of Agriculture guidelines. But
I think I should mention that basically, the risk with
alcohol goes up with the more you drink, and they're
just some people who shouldn't drink if you're pregnant, if
you're thinking about getting pregnant, if you already have compromise
liver function. You know, the elderly who are taking lots
(28:46):
of medications that are sedative drugs that you know, sleeping
pills or anti anxiety pills, or even opioids for pain,
all of those mixed with alcohol in a bad way.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's a tough that's a bad That is definitely a
bad mix, Doctor Coop. I appreciate you taking the time.
How can folks get more information on this? There must
be a website you could direct this too.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's very simple. If you just type in an
I A A A, you'll on the first or second line.
You'll come to our website and there's lots of really
cool information there. There's a box on the front tells
you all the stats I've been going through.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Good. Well, that's it. Yeah, a lot of people are
driving right at this hour of the night, and so
they can check them out tomorrow, later this evening or
over the weekend again. The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse
and Alcoholism H five letters NI AAA or NI triple
A would be another quick way to remember. Thank you
very much, doctor George Koop, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Thank you, Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're very welcome. We come back on and talk about
another serious issue, and that's World of Mental Health Day.
I guess it is. Today. We're gonna be talking with
an author, doctor Helen mckibbon coming back. She's an author
and a therapist. Me back on Nightside. Now back to
Dan Ray Live from the Window, World Night Side Studios
on WBZ News Radio. Well, today is World Mental Health Day.
(30:11):
I was not aware that it's World Mental Health Day,
but this tells me it is, uh and I'm about
to interview doctor Helen mckibbon, who's an author of a
book called Drop Making Great Decisions. And I also believe
doctor McKinnon that maybe folks can start to figure out
how they know if they're okay? Is there actually something
(30:34):
called an okay scale? This article would suggest that exists.
I was unaware of that.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Whether you're okay or not is very much dependent on
what I call a feeling disease in art society that
affects depression, anxiety, and substance abuse. And that scale, if
you will, is dependent on if you emerge from into childhood,
(31:03):
from a childhood into adulthood with self trust and trusting
your thoughts, feelings and ideas people read you is very
solid and that they can't knock you off balance. You're okay,
You're stable if, however, in your gears of development, you
don't get enough reinforcement for listening to that feeling part
(31:25):
of you, that thought or idea. You emerge into adulthood
reading other people for what do you should feel, what
you should say, and what you should do instead of yourself?
And that is not okay. People can smell it. People
use it against you, particularly at work or in applying
(31:49):
poor jobs.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, So I just listened to that explanation, and it
sounds to me when we reduce that explanation to its
or that what you're saying is it's better to be
yourself than to try to be someone you're not.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Absolutely okay, tell us why that's important.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Let me use the example of an individual who's emerged
into adulthood not listening to themselves. They go for a
job interview, and the person reads that's interviewing them reads
that they need accolades from them or they're dependent on
(32:35):
their point of view. The interview or sees the person
flipping into reading and trying to please the interviewer, and
that person who's interviewing them goes, ah, I've got their number.
I can get them to do whatever I want. I
can use them, I can break their boundaries, I can
(32:55):
call them day or not. I can use them to
do whatever the work I want us. They get into
the job with not listening to themselves and self doubt
and the employees around them start coming to them and saying, hey,
can you do this work for me? I want to
leave early, or start bullying them or gas lighting them,
(33:17):
or coming to them for hours talking about personal problems.
It is not okay, as you said earlier, because it's
people's read of you that determines if you're going to
end up with costly disabilities like that building stress or
(33:38):
interaction with other people leading to depression, anxiety, and substance abuse,
which is causing our nation mental health lives trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay? Is that condition as you describe it, is that correctable?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yes? And that is what my book is about. And
that's my life's work, Dan, that I created a simple
neuroscience method. So the individual who finds themselves in situations
where they keep getting employed by the same people and
people aren't treating them well as coworkers, they go, what
am I doing wrong? Then they come to resources like
(34:17):
podcasts or books and say, what am I doing wrong?
My life's work is giving them a simple neurological based
method to reverse themselves back to listening to their first feeling,
thought or idea and emerging into adulthood by listening to
the brain in the way it's already designed to make
(34:40):
great decisions, thus have self confidence, and they can't be
knocked off balanced.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
How is this condition recognized or recognizable by the individual
who has lived that way for many, many years. I mean,
you know, if you've break your leg, you have a
pretty good idea that you're broken your leg, right, But
(35:06):
when you're talking about someone's mental health, how did they
figure out on their own that they first have a problem.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Growd brains are designed to be pretty pliable until earlier
mid twenties, and then the unhappiness or the way we're
being treated or the stress that cause starts to build.
And by the mid to late twenties we are starting
to experience anxiety or depression or substance abuse, eating disorders,
(35:38):
panic disorders, and we go, what is wrong with me?
I'm a nice person, I'm a hard worker. How come
people are treating me this way? How can I keep
getting these same kind of bosses who try to use
me or walk all over me. That's the recognition that
they finally get as they move into their late twenties thirties.
(36:01):
That's when they reach out for help and go, what
am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay. Now, your book is entitled Drop Making Great Decisions
by doctor Helen mckibbon. Is this available? Has it just
come out? Has it been out for a while? Tell
us real quickly how easily people can get that book
if they would like.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
There was launch May fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is
available Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It is available through my
website Helen mckibbon dot com, which also gives all of
your listeners open view into how to use this method
(36:45):
to rewire the brain back to the default of listening
to your own thoughts, feelings, and ideas and getting respected
by other people, not walked all over in adulthood. That's
great website, MCKI you access.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yes, Doctor Helen McKibben, an author and therapist. The book
drop colon Making Great Decisions by doctor Helen mckibbon. Thanks
for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it
a lot. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Well, thanks for having me, Dan.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're welcome. You're very welcome. When we get back, we're
going to talk about the Massachusetts questions Massachusetts ballot question
number five giving tipped workers the state minimum wage. It's
an interesting question. And it's one that people should get
enough information on so they can make a decision about it.
We'll be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO
(37:37):
of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, right after the nine o'clock
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