October 31, 2025 • 37 mins
We kicked off the program with four stories and guests on topics we thought you might like to learn more about!
In this episode we chatted with:
Dr. Adrian Velasquez, Director of Sleep Medicine at Tufts Medicine, about how the time change affects your sleep/circadian rhythm and how to combat the symptoms.
Mary Grauerholz, Member of OLAUG (Old Ladies Against Underwater Garbage), about their work cleaning garbage out of freshwater ponds on The Cape, and what "treasures" they've found.
Saba Harouni Lurie, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Owner of Take Root Therapy, about America's obsession with "doomscrolling" on social media, the "national trauma" associated with it, and how this behavior is considered an addiction.
Manny Hernandez, Founder of “The Scream Club” and Men’s Transformational Coach, about his "Scream Club" where folks come to "let it all out" on a weekly basis.
You can hear NightSide with Dan Rea, Live! Weeknights From 8PM-12AM on WBZ - Boston's News Radio.
In this episode we chatted with:
Dr. Adrian Velasquez, Director of Sleep Medicine at Tufts Medicine, about how the time change affects your sleep/circadian rhythm and how to combat the symptoms.
Mary Grauerholz, Member of OLAUG (Old Ladies Against Underwater Garbage), about their work cleaning garbage out of freshwater ponds on The Cape, and what "treasures" they've found.
Saba Harouni Lurie, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Owner of Take Root Therapy, about America's obsession with "doomscrolling" on social media, the "national trauma" associated with it, and how this behavior is considered an addiction.
Manny Hernandez, Founder of “The Scream Club” and Men’s Transformational Coach, about his "Scream Club" where folks come to "let it all out" on a weekly basis.
You can hear NightSide with Dan Rea, Live! Weeknights From 8PM-12AM on WBZ - Boston's News Radio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going you Easy Bondon's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I love the spooky music. My goodness. I hope you
Halloween has been nice. Hope you've only had treats and
no tricks. We have lots of treats for you tonight.
We have interesting topics coming up. We're going to talk
about the impact of that extra hour of sleep that
you'll get tomorrow night when the clocks fall back. We'll
also talk during this hour with a representative of a group.
(00:29):
Didn't name the group, but it's called Old Ladies Against
Underwater Garbage. We'll also talk about something called dooms scrolling,
and after you've doom scrolled, you might want to join
a scream club. There are now scream clubs around the
United States. So we have lots to do. We're going
to keep up to data. What's going on with the snack,
(00:51):
the snap benefit, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistant program. If you
are relying on that, we'll try to figure out what
it's going to happen. A couple of judges rule today
that those benefits have to be available, but it's not
quite as simple as that, as we will explain. And
then we will talk with the owner of the newest
(01:12):
professional sports team in Boston, the Boston Dragons. They are
a team competing in the US Legends Pickleball League. Then
in the twentieth hour at eleven o'clock, we're going to
do all things halliween, and we have a number of
tricks and treats we want to play. During the eleven
o'clock hour, Rob Brooks is finishing his vacation week. Dan
(01:34):
Cantano joins us again. Dan has produced this program on
several occasions and he will do a great job tonight.
So without any further ado, we're going to go to
our first guest here at the eight o'clock I'll remind
you there were no phone calls from callers, but we
do have four different guests. Doctor Adrian Velasque is Director
of Sleep Medicine at Tofts Medicine. I assume it's Toughs
(01:57):
University or Toughs Medical to Velasquez. Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh, thank you very much Dan for having me. How
you having a good night?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, we're having a fine night so far, but you know,
give me time here. We always can mess it up. Look,
all of us look forward. At least I do to
gaining it our sleep tomorrow night. But I guess when
we turn the clocks back an hour, as we will
this Saturday night into Sunday morning, it can mess with
(02:32):
a lot of people's sleep or their arcadia rhythm. I've
never been impacted by this, thankfully, So tell us what
people need to watch out for who are impacted by
this additional hour of sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So there's been I think we could start with a
lot of people see it that, Okay, you know what,
we're gonna gain an extra hour. I think the one
thing that people are forgetting that even with a change.
So we talk We mentioned about cirtating rhythm. It's our
body clock, you know. And one of the things that
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happens is that when you change the clock, even if
we think it's subtle, it's actually not. What happens is
it affects our mood, our health, our cognition, our thinking
mental state. And there are a few people are much
more likely to be affected. We could talk about the
night nightshift workers. The shift work workers would be probably
(03:36):
the best the worst that would have it. But I
think there's been a lot of discussion with regards to
policies because there's been an I'm not sure if you
can accumulate or on about it. But one of the
things that policy makes been receiving, especially from specific medical association,
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is that you know, what is really the benefit of it?
Uh And it's been some discussions that it has not
been proven, but you're you're you know. I think the
one thing going back to your question is that, yes,
it does affect even if people don't seem that they are,
but they are being affected by it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So how long how long does it take for people
who are affected by it? And maybe maybe I don't
feel I'm effective of it, maybe I am. How long
does it take for us to we've we've had that
that twenty five hour day in sleep cycle, I guess,
which is what prows us, you know, out of out
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of sync. How long does it take us to kind
of get back and lose the impact of that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
It's usually when and so when you when you look
into that perspective of how long does it take? I
think one of the things I tell my patients, it's
like it's like a jet lack jet lag without a
travel A. Yeah, it's like a jet black without a
travel So it takes about three days and that is
(05:06):
if you have good sleep hygiene, and we could talk
more about sleep hygiene is basically having a regular sleep schedule,
you know, exposing yourself to white during the day and
also avoiding caffeine probably after four pm, and being consistent
about it. And if you're not consistent to begin with,
(05:26):
it's really going to be harder for you to adjust.
It might not be it might not be as as
prominent if you're younger or if you don't have any
underlying sleep disorder, but if you do, it's going to
be more magnified.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So which is worse when you say after four pm?
Which is worse for the sleep cycle? Alcohol you know,
whether it's beer, wine, or a mixed drink or coffee
or are they all equally impactful?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They're all equally impactful. But I always tell my patience,
you know, moderate, and then they would ask me like,
what's moderate. So if you don't all right, what's moderate?
Talk what's moderate? And then if you're drinking somebody adapt
patients stuff. I drink about three more cups of coffee
after four pm, And obviously I can't just tell tell
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that patient I don't worry, well, you can't drink that.
So usually you get. You know, it's discussed with them.
I know you're laughing. You can come with that, discussed
with that, like okay, let's let's meet in between, like
decrease it to one. And if you have somebody who's
moderately drinking, but moderate is ten glasses of wine and uh,
you know, but right, so you know you've dealt with them.
(06:42):
You're you're you talk to a lot of people. You
understand what I'm talking about. But yes, you know it's
it's about like, okay, you know what, let's decrease it
from your baseline and uh, but yes, overall, it does
affect you. It does affect the sleep trifle. But then
you have patients will tell you like I've been doing
this for three decades, it's not affecting me.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you do you believe that patient doctor when they
you know, we're not infringing on the doctor patient confidentiality. Well,
when someone comes in and says, oh, no, I have
four or five cups of coffee or I have you know,
three or four glasses of wine and whatever, and it's
never affected me, I don't see how that's really possible.
(07:26):
But you're the doctor, do you believe them or do
you look them with a little bit of skepticism.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I think the number one thing is it takes
a while. You know, our body is very resilient to
change this. It's very good. And that's why when people
tell me about oh, you know, I'm not really that affected. Yes,
it does. But the thing is, as we get older,
our recuperation process is not as good as when we
were young. So that becomes more apparent and effects, the
(07:55):
health effects become more apparent later on in life. When
it's going to happen, well, depends, you know, if you're
if you're having a healthy lifestyle lifestyle, but what is healthy?
You know, alass of wine. I don't think that's healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well i'll tell you. I can tell you that I
think it does impact you as you get older. I
have a pretty healthy lifestyle life, but I'm in the
gym generally five or six days a week. Uh and yeah,
I mean, which is good, don't get me wrong, But
even that doesn't hold off. You have to keep as
(08:30):
you say, everything in moderation. Great to chat with you.
I enjoyed our conversation a lot. You're the director of
sleep Medicine. It's written here at Toughs Medicine. Is is
that the accurate I want to give you the appropriate
title and appellation is Are you at the director of
sleep Medicine at Tough's Medicine or is it a Toughs University?
(08:51):
Which is it?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
If I could ask, so, I'm the medical director of
Sleep Medicine at Lawrence Memorial Hospital and me Rols Weakfield,
which is under medicine.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, No, I just want to make sure. Look when
I when someone says to me, oh, you know Dan Ray,
he's the host of Nightline, I said, no, no, no, no, no,
that's Ted Copple. I'm the host of night Side. So
I really want to get it right. Thank you very much,
doctor felasque was. I enjoyed the conversation, delighted with the information,
(09:21):
and I'm glad we could have a couple of laughs
along the way. Thank you. I'd love to have you back.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Definitely very welcome. And then yeah, the last thing though
that I would say is that I know I mentioned
this before. You have been gaining an extra hour. I know.
I always tell this like if it's a gift, but
it's not a gift to stay up later. It's it's
a gift for us to be able to sleep a
little longer.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's that's so well said. And I'm going to follow
the doctor's advice because I I love that extra hour sleep.
I'm with you totally. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You're welcome. You have a good night. Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thanks doctor. When we get back, we're going to talk
with this group of ladies on the Cape who have
self identified. So it's not me. It's self identified as
Old Ladies against Underwater Garbage. Let me tell you, I
think it is a great sounding group. The acronym is
like olog or something O L A U G. We'll
talk to Mary Grower Holds and we'll get the we'll
(10:22):
get the backstory here coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's Nightside with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, I am delighted to welcome Mary Grower Holds. Mary.
I'm hoping I got that name correctly. How are you
this evening?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You did, Dan?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You got it?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You got it correctly? Yes, right, I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well. Now you're down to the Cape, but I'm not
picking up a cape cart accent here sounds to me
like you you may have spent some time elsewhere where's
that accent from? Mary?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Oh, dear, It's from a lot of different places. I
grew up in Texas, ended up living in Kansas, Toronto, Albany,
all sorts of places, and ended up on the Cape,
which I love so well.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Everybody, that is for sure. And your group uh and
again I didn't name the group, but your group is
old Ladies against underwater garbage. I'm with you totally. You
want to clean up Cape cod ponds. How how many
of your group are now senior citizens?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh? Gosh, every single one of us senior citizen. I
mean you have to be sixty five to join?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay? And thank female? And female? Okay? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yes? And female absolutely. Ye.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Look, women are much neater than men. I think we
know that at any age. So you know what, some
guys working with you, they're not going to be nearly
as effective as you are. So how long has the
group been around? How did you form and what do
you do?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
We've been around for about five years. Our founder, Susan Bauer,
founded the group very casually and we we sort of
gathered a couple of us on the beach and started
talking about trash and the beach of a pond. I mean,
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you know, we have like hundreds of ponds on the cape.
So we ended up talking on the shoreline, and I
had already been kind of collecting garbage at that point,
and so had a couple of other women. So we
ended up just talking and Susan said, you know, we
(12:46):
need to do this thing. So we we we do it.
We were pretty busy during the summer. We go around
from pond to pond cleaning, and we've collected like tons
and tons literally of garbage.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Is most of the stuff that you collect is most
of it stuff that other people, perhaps younger people, have
been lazy and just discarded as opposed to putting it
in some form of a trash receptacle.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
That's a really good question. And we find that there's
a couple of items that I think are pretty you know,
quote modern type items like fishing lures. We collect a
lot of those, and we collect a lot of beer cans.
But but a lot of the garbage is very old.
(13:44):
In other words, I mean, we think that people haven't
been collecting this garbage for maybe like even I don't know,
it could be one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What's the weirdest thing, What is the weirdest thing that
you ever found? Uh, have you ever found, you know,
amongst the trash, you know, you know, a bottle with
a with a special message in it? Or what's the
weirdest thing you've ever found? You must have found that
we could talk about the radio, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Saying, right, I do know what you're saying. And we
we haven't found any messages in the bottle. We did
find something that we we that appeared as a complete
gun and we were ready. That was not that long ago,
It's just a few years ago, I mean a few
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a few weeks ago, and we thought, well, this is
very odd. We need to take this to the police department.
But it turned out to be this incredibly intricate toy
gun from the fifties really, and so that was very
That was pretty bizarre.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I bet you handled that one carefully.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, absolutely, we did. Probably The weirdest thing though, was
the blue toilet. We we pulled up a toilet that
was this weird, bright blue and we knew we had
a we had a big catch.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, how did well what do you do? What do
you do? Just walk along the shore and the stuff
kind of drifts in or do you get out there.
We were able to see the blue toilet and at
that point you said that that's either a blue whale
or a blue toilet. Let's go see what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
No, we actually go diving. We we put on we
don't put on scuba gear, but we put on snorkels masks,
and we dive and we find this stuff. I mean,
it's it's incredible, how how much stuff we find what
we're diving. Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean we're exhausted when
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we get out.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Jousted just listening to you. So are you still accepting
members or no?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, we have a long waiting list. When we started,
we were five women, and I consider myself very lucky
that I was one of the originals because it's just
been very, very gratifying to watch us grow. And now
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I think we've got thirty to forty members, and we've
got we've got tons born on a waiting list, I
mean women. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, this is just a great project. It helps I'm
sure getting people out working as a team and doing good. Mary,
this is a wonderful project. I'm so happy that I
could talk to you about it. So let me ask
you this, whether or not people want to join the
group or go on a wait list? Is there a
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way people can follow your exploits? Is there a website
that we can direct them to?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Sure, we do have a website, and it's uh, let's see,
it's o log I believe hyphenma dot com. But if
if they probably the more reliable thing would be to
just google.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Uh, you know o log right, that stands for just
that acronym stands for Old Ladies against Underwater garbage.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Exactly uge, so exactly a ug.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, that's right, Mary, thank you for your time. I
love your spunk, and I love your passion, and I
love what you're doing. And thank you on behalf of
a lot of people who benefit with cleaner ponds as
a result of your commitment to this project. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh you're so welcome. We're doing the work, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I can hear it in your voice. And thanks again.
And you sound more like a cape carter to me
now you've lost the accident.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Got along excellent?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love cape cod absolutely couldn't agree with you more.
Mary grower Holtz. She's a member of the Old Ladies
against Underwater Garbage, and I am a want to I
can't become a member, but I want to become like
an auxiliary supporter or something like that. Thanks Mary, I
appreciate your time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Wonderful. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Dan, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Will we get back. We're going to talk about something
called doom scrolling. We will explain it, and we'll explain
why it's a problem. It is a problem, by the way,
and the first before we get to that, we have
the news at the bottom of the hour right here
on Nights Hour with Dan Ray on a Friday night,
t g I F it is Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's nice Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
All right back here, we're talking with Saba Herony Louie.
She's a licensed marriage and family therapist and the owner
of Take Root Therapy. Saba, welcome to Nightside. How are
you well?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Thanks? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I'm doing just great. We're talking about the nation's obsession
with doom scrolling through social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok,
which some people are calling a national trauma because people
kind of get sucked into this, this this doom strolling.
(19:40):
They keep scroll, scrolling and scrolling, and they spend half
their day day scrolling. Is this affecting everybody equally, meaning
across age, across generations, and across genders, or is there
a specific subset of people who are most sai doable
to this they just can't get away from it.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Well, I mean, I think if we consider who the
social media apps are targeting, those are the folks that
will likely find themselves doom scrolling. I also want to
be clear that the national trauma isn't necessarily the doom scrolling. However,
doom scrolling about the national trauma can keep us in
a place of trauma. We end up looping, and given
that the social media apps are meant to keep us engaged.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They want the clicks. They want the clicks exactly when
you say, when you use the term looping, I don't
know if that is a medical term or a technical
term not, But for me, all that means is you
look at one, you say, oh, that's interesting, here's another one,
there's another one. I mean, they're endless, and it's if
it's it's it's almost like you fall down a well
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and you can't get up. You can't get out. How
do you get out of this? Do they need do
they any professional counselors like yourself.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, I think the first step is just to become
conscious us why we're doing it and when it's doing
to us. And so you know, of course we are
people that are empathetic, we are compassionate, we're curious, and
my suggestion is never that we check out completely, that
we're not staying up to date with what's happening in
the world. And if we keep in mind that the
apps and the algorithms are meant to keep us engaged,
and they're going to show us the worst of the
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worst because it's going to keep us engaged longer, and
then continue to kind of have us view things that
might be really both awful that it's happening and really
harmful for us to see. It can be also caused
some feelings of powerlessness, helplessness. Sometimes we feel paralyzed. Then
we can recognize this might not be the best use
of my time and energy, this might not be beneficial
(21:39):
for me to continue to engage with. Once they get
step back, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
View of the world.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
It is, I mean, as I say, it's an echo chamber.
We're only seeing things in one frame. We're seeing kind
of one thing amplified over and over again, or one
thing from you know, the same perspective. And I can
really view the way that we experience the world and
how we feel about being in the world, and it
can make life really scary, and it can help those
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that are trying to sell advertisements on the apps a
lot more money.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, all of this is pretty depressing when you when
you think about it, What has anyone ever done a study?
And we don't script questions here on Night Side, So
if I ask you a question that's offline, tell me
do we have any estimate as to say? I mean,
we have what three hundred and thirty million people in America?
And if you're taught, if you eliminate the kids who
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you know, hopefully are under ten and are doing this,
we're talking about probably, you know, anywhere about three three
hundred and ten million people. Any idea how many people
have been caught in this spider web of doom scrolling
and they just can't escape?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Is this a I can't speak specifically to numbers, but
I can tell you how many of my clients, both adults, teams,
I'm hearing about children too, who are spending countless hours
on their phones, who find it hard to go to
sleep because they continue to scroll and scroll, And so
it seems to be happening across the spectrum in terms
of age and gender. I think it's pretty pervasive.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And this is separate in the part from the people
who are hooked on porn and stuff like that. I mean,
this is a separate category from people who find themselves
hooked on porn.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Right, Yes, that's not what I'm referring to here, right right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's another problems, another problem. That is another problem. So, Okay,
this is a relatively new development because we didn't have
the Internet and the pervasiveness of the Internet even twenty
years ago. How do we get out of this as
a society or are we doomed to continue doomscrolling again?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I think we have to become conscious. We have to
become aware and realize that our phones are tools for
us to use, which can be really helpful. But right
now we have become the ones that are using our
phones without being conscious about being thoughtful. There are many
apps that you can use to kind of stop yourself,
to limit yourself from using certain applications, you can simply
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just delete them from your phone, but for some folks
that may seem too difficult. So you start where you
can to try to slowly almost weaning yourself off and
engaging in other activities that you likely are neglecting, timeless
friends and family time, reading time outside, if you are
wanting to engage in activism, getting out in the world
(24:40):
and doing that instead of just consuming tragedy after tragedy,
feeling powerless, feeling hopeless, feeling angry, and yet also feeling paralyzed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I assume like this is an addiction, and I'm not
a therapist, so if I ask you a question, I'm dead.
I feel free to tell me this sounds I think
an addiction.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, it's tricky to diagnose because it is again so
pervasive that I am hearing from folks that, yeah, they do.
You feel like they're addicted to their phone as they
find that it's hard for them to pay attention, it
can be difficult to complete tasks.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And everybody knows that that addictions. Once you're addicted, I
don't care what it is, whether it's the alcohol or
whether it's the hard drugs. Once you're addicted, the first
thing you have to do is you got to recognize
the addiction. You have to admit it. Is that The
first step did you try to take with patients who
come to you with this problem.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Right to look at what is this costing me? What
is this costing me?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, you're looking at a benefit benefit analysis. I guess
you know there's no benefit to it. I guess. And
it's just it's basically you're wasting your time. How can
folks get in touch with you? Or is there somewhere
if there are people listening tonight, can you recommend a
helpline or a way in which if I mean, if
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there's one person listening was tonight and says you've just
identified you and I have just identified to them and
we've identified their problem. What who can they reach out to?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
They're welcome to reach out to us. Our website is
takeroot Therapy dot com, and I'm happy to try to
find them suitable resources where they're located. We're located in
Los Angeles, California, so we're able to work outside of
California to serve folks. But we can help you find resources.
And I trust that if you look up my phone
addiction or how to limit my phone time. You're going
(26:37):
to find countless suggestions online that might be able to
help you.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well. Thank you very much, thank you, thank you very
much for your time tonight. You are a licensed marriage
and family therapist, and you have a very calm voice.
I wish I had a voice as calm, and I
would even go so for us to say a calm
and soothing voice, which was which must be something that
you've developed as a therapist to help people. Thank you
(27:04):
for helping my audience tonight. Appreciate it very very much.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Thanks again, Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You're welcome. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend.
Would we get back. We're going to talk about Halloween.
It is the Halloween weekend. It sort of snuck up
on us this year. I mean, you know, all of
a sudden, it's the thirty first of October, Halloween night.
They're having a big event up in Stalem, Massachusetts, not
too far from where I am located. We're going to
talk with Manny and Andrews. He's the founder of the
(27:30):
Scream Club. This is this is this is what exactly
what it sounds like. People can go somewhere and just scream.
I mean, uh, we'll talk about it, I promise.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
On the other side of the break, you're on night
Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
We're just wanted to scream. Well, there is now a
scream club and with us it Manny Herandez Hernandez founder
of the Scream Scream Club. He's also a men's transformational coach.
I have no idea what that means, but we're going
to find out. Manny Hernandez. Welcome to her night side.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
How are you, hey, Dan?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Thanks for having me. I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
What is a men's transformational coach? I hope it's not
that I think it might be go ahead now, it's not.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
It's probably not where you're thinking. But I'm I'm basically
like a like a mindset coach where I'm trying to
help men become a little bit more self aware and
a little bit more emotionally intelligent. Try to help the
me of five years ago when you really needed that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Emotional intelligence for some reason. I've heard that a few
times in my life. I'm only getting. I'm only getting.
So you have you have something called the Scream Club,
and people actually come to your club. It's a look,
it's a physic location.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Yeah, we meet at North Avenue Beach here over on
Lake Michigan here in Chicago. And yeah, we meet up
and we we screamed both both.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
The summer, winter, spring, and fall. I mean, I guess
I'm sure Lake Michigan. No, Chicago a little bit, be
a little I'd be screaming there just for being outside
in January.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Well, I'll tell you what this is my I just
moved here last year. This will be coming up to
a year now in Chicago. This uh, this will be
my second winter. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I moved here
from La so it's quite a change.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, So so people show up. Is this is this
a uh just a cultural phenomenon or are these people
paying a dues or a fee or a membership in
order to be an official member of the scream clubs
Scream Club No, no, no.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
No, Yeah, it's completely free. We're just creating a space
for people if they're feeling stress or an earning anxiety
from the weak to come meet us at the at
the pier. I'm a breath work practitioner as well, so
I guide them through a few breaks that helped kind
of relax the nervous system a little bit. We give
everybody a pea.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You broke up on me, the man. You teach them
how to breathe Is that what you said?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I I just guide them through a few breaths, like
intentional breath, work breath to help to help just relax
the nervous system.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I really am. Okay. Yeah, And most people just scream
and it doesn't matter that they can be screaming enjoy
and frustration or is it mostly frustration?
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah? I mean, you know, it's that's a good question,
and I'm glad you asked that, because it's it varies, right.
I think that we always tell people, don't you don't
have to tell us why you're here. If you have
something to scream about, to show up and we'll we're
going to hold that space for you. And but sometimes
people still come up to us afterwards, they give us.
They tell us like, hey, you don't understand how much
I needed this, And some of these stories of why
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they're screaming. A lot of it is heartbreaking, some of
it is a little bit more joyful. Some say like, look,
I never I haven't I've got my whole life ever
having my voice be heard, and this has given me
the opportunity and the permission to do so.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Have you ever heard the phrase when you're down and out,
get up and shout I'm down and out?
Speaker 7 (31:29):
That sounds very familiar to me.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I don't mean to make fun at all, but I
mean and and so how long is it is a session?
Do you guys run it for an hour and people
come and go? Or are you there for for a
certain period of time? And protocol or courtesy means you stay,
and not only you you scream, face scream, everybody screams,
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and you give them some ice cream.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, only you know.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I do have shirts that say I Scream Sundays, so
because we do it on Sundays. So it's a play
on work. Yeah it's pretty cool. But yeah, it's really quick.
It's super quick. We show up at the times have
changed a few times now because it's getting darker out.
But we meet up, let's say at six o'clock, by
six fifteen or walking out together into the pier, I
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guide them will quick through the breaths, we do our ritual,
if you will, and that we're out of there five
ten minutes after that. So it's really quick, you know,
it's just a quick intention to let go of anything
that's been bothering you from the week to start Monday fresh.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, So other than just a prime will scream, they
are able to scream and articulate a thought as well.
I know I don't script questions here, but I think
this is really interesting. So other than just yelling at
the top of their lungs, can they scream something whatever?
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I'm so frustrated with my job? Oh yeah, they they
scream out messages, is what I'm asking you.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Yeah, they can.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
They can't do that right.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
And it's it's so funny because we have one gentleman
who is a is a big metal head, like he
loves metal music, and what he started coming he would
just yell out his favorite lyric from a metal song.
Just again, just a way to like let it go.
But in terms in terms of intention, right, Like what
we do is we always give everybody a piece of
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biodegradable paper that is aquatic safe, it's safe for the environment,
and we have them write down anything that's been bothering
them from the week or just in life that's been
weighing heavy on them. And then before we do the scream.
I count them down three, two, one, and they roll
it up and they toss that paper into the water
as a symbol of I'm letting this go.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's wonderful, that's great. Yeah, Now can they scream foul language?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
I mean I have been known, Yeah, you know I've
because look, I don't I can't control what people say
or what they scream about. But I always try. I
always try to say, Look, there's sometimes there's kids who
come right there, there's kid there are like five year
old kids who come who come with their come with
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their with their parents, and parents wanted to show them
a healthy way of releasing stress and anxiety, and so
ideally they're not doing that. But yeah, for the most part,
people just scream. Uh sometimes they'll curse. I mean, I've
heard it, but it's uh yeah, but it's been it's
been pretty pretty uh pg. I would say, for the most.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Part, did you do this in La? Did you bring
this to Chicago or was it the cold weather that
thought that?
Speaker 6 (34:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
I didn't do this in La. You know, I moved
to Chicago. I came here to be with my partner,
who is the co founder of scream club. My partner Lena,
and uh, you know, I just moved through the city.
This is me trying to figure out what the heck
I'm doing with my life now. It's first time living
with my partner that you know, the woes that come
with that and dealing with that for the first time. Yeah,
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we were having a pretty crap week and yeah, as
we were walking by the lake, I just said, you know,
do you want to just go and scream? And she
said she was like, yeah, let's do it. But what
if people are What if people are around and they
hear us and I go, don't worry, I'll just ask
them if they want to join. And that's exactly what
we did. We walked over to the pier. There were
a few people around. I turned to one of them
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and I said, look, I'm so sorry to bother you,
but we're about to scream into like, if you'd like
to join us, you're more than welcome to and they
were happily obliged, and we did that. We screamed. Some
of those people who joined us cried, and that's when
Elena and I looked at each other. We're like, this
is something that we have to start to think and yeah,
screen Club was born.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, what did they say? Necessity is the mother of
invention here, so you have that's right to do something.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I really enjoyed the conversation. If folks want to get
information or see you got a website or anything, we
can send people to this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Absolutely. The website is www dot Thescreamclub dot com. Or
you can find us on the social media pages scream
Club ch I, so stream Club Chai and they can
find us that way.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, and scream Club you don't need that www anymore,
just scream Club dot com.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Well it's Screamclub dot Com was taken, so we had
to put the Screamclub dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh, Manny, I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much
with it, and I wish it best of luck with
both the White Sox and the Cubs. Although I both
of you may find some cub In White Sox players
screaming with you at some point next season. It can
be frustrated.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, we'll welcome them with open arms.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Again, Manny, I appreciate it. Thank you. When we come back,
we're going to get to the news of the day,
and that is the snap. The supplemental Nutrition Assistance program,
which I think has caused a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
We still don't know what the solution is, which try
to keep you up to date and try to answer
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some questions and take some phone calls. How about that?
And then later on this evening, we're going to introduce
you to the owner of Boston's newest professional sports team,
the Boston Dragons pickleball team. Michael Toe will join us,
and then we'll talk some Halloween. In the twentieth hour
of the week, we're coming back on Nightside
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going you Easy Bondon's
news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I love the spooky music. My goodness. I hope you
Halloween has been nice. Hope you've only had treats and
no tricks. We have lots of treats for you tonight.
We have interesting topics coming up. We're going to talk
about the impact of that extra hour of sleep that
you'll get tomorrow night when the clocks fall back. We'll
also talk during this hour with a representative of a group.
(00:29):
Didn't name the group, but it's called Old Ladies Against
Underwater Garbage. We'll also talk about something called dooms scrolling,
and after you've doom scrolled, you might want to join
a scream club. There are now scream clubs around the
United States. So we have lots to do. We're going
to keep up to data. What's going on with the snack,
(00:51):
the snap benefit, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistant program. If you
are relying on that, we'll try to figure out what
it's going to happen. A couple of judges rule today
that those benefits have to be available, but it's not
quite as simple as that, as we will explain. And
then we will talk with the owner of the newest
(01:12):
professional sports team in Boston, the Boston Dragons. They are
a team competing in the US Legends Pickleball League. Then
in the twentieth hour at eleven o'clock, we're going to
do all things halliween, and we have a number of
tricks and treats we want to play. During the eleven
o'clock hour, Rob Brooks is finishing his vacation week. Dan
(01:34):
Cantano joins us again. Dan has produced this program on
several occasions and he will do a great job tonight.
So without any further ado, we're going to go to
our first guest here at the eight o'clock I'll remind
you there were no phone calls from callers, but we
do have four different guests. Doctor Adrian Velasque is Director
of Sleep Medicine at Tofts Medicine. I assume it's Toughs
(01:57):
University or Toughs Medical to Velasquez. Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh, thank you very much Dan for having me. How
you having a good night?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, we're having a fine night so far, but you know,
give me time here. We always can mess it up. Look,
all of us look forward. At least I do to
gaining it our sleep tomorrow night. But I guess when
we turn the clocks back an hour, as we will
this Saturday night into Sunday morning, it can mess with
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a lot of people's sleep or their arcadia rhythm. I've
never been impacted by this, thankfully, So tell us what
people need to watch out for who are impacted by
this additional hour of sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So there's been I think we could start with a
lot of people see it that, Okay, you know what,
we're gonna gain an extra hour. I think the one
thing that people are forgetting that even with a change.
So we talk We mentioned about cirtating rhythm. It's our
body clock, you know. And one of the things that
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happens is that when you change the clock, even if
we think it's subtle, it's actually not. What happens is
it affects our mood, our health, our cognition, our thinking
mental state. And there are a few people are much
more likely to be affected. We could talk about the
night nightshift workers. The shift work workers would be probably
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the best the worst that would have it. But I
think there's been a lot of discussion with regards to
policies because there's been an I'm not sure if you
can accumulate or on about it. But one of the
things that policy makes been receiving, especially from specific medical association,
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is that you know, what is really the benefit of it?
Uh And it's been some discussions that it has not
been proven, but you're you're you know. I think the
one thing going back to your question is that, yes,
it does affect even if people don't seem that they are,
but they are being affected by it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So how long how long does it take for people
who are affected by it? And maybe maybe I don't
feel I'm effective of it, maybe I am. How long
does it take for us to we've we've had that
that twenty five hour day in sleep cycle, I guess,
which is what prows us, you know, out of out
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of sync. How long does it take us to kind
of get back and lose the impact of that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
It's usually when and so when you when you look
into that perspective of how long does it take? I
think one of the things I tell my patients, it's
like it's like a jet lack jet lag without a
travel A. Yeah, it's like a jet black without a
travel So it takes about three days and that is
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if you have good sleep hygiene, and we could talk
more about sleep hygiene is basically having a regular sleep schedule,
you know, exposing yourself to white during the day and
also avoiding caffeine probably after four pm, and being consistent
about it. And if you're not consistent to begin with,
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it's really going to be harder for you to adjust.
It might not be it might not be as as
prominent if you're younger or if you don't have any
underlying sleep disorder, but if you do, it's going to
be more magnified.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So which is worse when you say after four pm?
Which is worse for the sleep cycle? Alcohol you know,
whether it's beer, wine, or a mixed drink or coffee
or are they all equally impactful?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They're all equally impactful. But I always tell my patience,
you know, moderate, and then they would ask me like,
what's moderate. So if you don't all right, what's moderate?
Talk what's moderate? And then if you're drinking somebody adapt
patients stuff. I drink about three more cups of coffee
after four pm, And obviously I can't just tell tell
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that patient I don't worry, well, you can't drink that.
So usually you get. You know, it's discussed with them.
I know you're laughing. You can come with that, discussed
with that, like okay, let's let's meet in between, like
decrease it to one. And if you have somebody who's
moderately drinking, but moderate is ten glasses of wine and uh,
you know, but right, so you know you've dealt with them.
(06:42):
You're you're you talk to a lot of people. You
understand what I'm talking about. But yes, you know it's
it's about like, okay, you know what, let's decrease it
from your baseline and uh, but yes, overall, it does
affect you. It does affect the sleep trifle. But then
you have patients will tell you like I've been doing
this for three decades, it's not affecting me.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you do you believe that patient doctor when they
you know, we're not infringing on the doctor patient confidentiality. Well,
when someone comes in and says, oh, no, I have
four or five cups of coffee or I have you know,
three or four glasses of wine and whatever, and it's
never affected me, I don't see how that's really possible.
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But you're the doctor, do you believe them or do
you look them with a little bit of skepticism.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I think the number one thing is it takes
a while. You know, our body is very resilient to
change this. It's very good. And that's why when people
tell me about oh, you know, I'm not really that affected. Yes,
it does. But the thing is, as we get older,
our recuperation process is not as good as when we
were young. So that becomes more apparent and effects, the
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health effects become more apparent later on in life. When
it's going to happen, well, depends, you know, if you're
if you're having a healthy lifestyle lifestyle, but what is healthy?
You know, alass of wine. I don't think that's healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well i'll tell you. I can tell you that I
think it does impact you as you get older. I
have a pretty healthy lifestyle life, but I'm in the
gym generally five or six days a week. Uh and yeah,
I mean, which is good, don't get me wrong, But
even that doesn't hold off. You have to keep as
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you say, everything in moderation. Great to chat with you.
I enjoyed our conversation a lot. You're the director of
sleep Medicine. It's written here at Toughs Medicine. Is is
that the accurate I want to give you the appropriate
title and appellation is Are you at the director of
sleep Medicine at Tough's Medicine or is it a Toughs University?
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Which is it?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
If I could ask, so, I'm the medical director of
Sleep Medicine at Lawrence Memorial Hospital and me Rols Weakfield,
which is under medicine.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, No, I just want to make sure. Look when
I when someone says to me, oh, you know Dan Ray,
he's the host of Nightline, I said, no, no, no, no, no,
that's Ted Copple. I'm the host of night Side. So
I really want to get it right. Thank you very much,
doctor felasque was. I enjoyed the conversation, delighted with the information,
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and I'm glad we could have a couple of laughs
along the way. Thank you. I'd love to have you back.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Definitely very welcome. And then yeah, the last thing though
that I would say is that I know I mentioned
this before. You have been gaining an extra hour. I know.
I always tell this like if it's a gift, but
it's not a gift to stay up later. It's it's
a gift for us to be able to sleep a
little longer.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's that's so well said. And I'm going to follow
the doctor's advice because I I love that extra hour sleep.
I'm with you totally. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You're welcome. You have a good night. Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thanks doctor. When we get back, we're going to talk
with this group of ladies on the Cape who have
self identified. So it's not me. It's self identified as
Old Ladies against Underwater Garbage. Let me tell you, I
think it is a great sounding group. The acronym is
like olog or something O L A U G. We'll
talk to Mary Grower Holds and we'll get the we'll
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get the backstory here coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's Nightside with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, I am delighted to welcome Mary Grower Holds. Mary.
I'm hoping I got that name correctly. How are you
this evening?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You did, Dan?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You got it?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You got it correctly? Yes, right, I'm doing fine.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well. Now you're down to the Cape, but I'm not
picking up a cape cart accent here sounds to me
like you you may have spent some time elsewhere where's
that accent from? Mary?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Oh, dear, It's from a lot of different places. I
grew up in Texas, ended up living in Kansas, Toronto, Albany,
all sorts of places, and ended up on the Cape,
which I love so well.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Everybody, that is for sure. And your group uh and
again I didn't name the group, but your group is
old Ladies against underwater garbage. I'm with you totally. You
want to clean up Cape cod ponds. How how many
of your group are now senior citizens?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh? Gosh, every single one of us senior citizen. I
mean you have to be sixty five to join?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay? And thank female? And female? Okay? Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yes? And female absolutely. Ye.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Look, women are much neater than men. I think we
know that at any age. So you know what, some
guys working with you, they're not going to be nearly
as effective as you are. So how long has the
group been around? How did you form and what do
you do?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
We've been around for about five years. Our founder, Susan Bauer,
founded the group very casually and we we sort of
gathered a couple of us on the beach and started
talking about trash and the beach of a pond. I mean,
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you know, we have like hundreds of ponds on the cape.
So we ended up talking on the shoreline, and I
had already been kind of collecting garbage at that point,
and so had a couple of other women. So we
ended up just talking and Susan said, you know, we
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need to do this thing. So we we we do it.
We were pretty busy during the summer. We go around
from pond to pond cleaning, and we've collected like tons
and tons literally of garbage.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Is most of the stuff that you collect is most
of it stuff that other people, perhaps younger people, have
been lazy and just discarded as opposed to putting it
in some form of a trash receptacle.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
That's a really good question. And we find that there's
a couple of items that I think are pretty you know,
quote modern type items like fishing lures. We collect a
lot of those, and we collect a lot of beer cans.
But but a lot of the garbage is very old.
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In other words, I mean, we think that people haven't
been collecting this garbage for maybe like even I don't know,
it could be one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What's the weirdest thing, What is the weirdest thing that
you ever found? Uh, have you ever found, you know,
amongst the trash, you know, you know, a bottle with
a with a special message in it? Or what's the
weirdest thing you've ever found? You must have found that
we could talk about the radio, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Saying, right, I do know what you're saying. And we
we haven't found any messages in the bottle. We did
find something that we we that appeared as a complete
gun and we were ready. That was not that long ago,
It's just a few years ago, I mean a few
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a few weeks ago, and we thought, well, this is
very odd. We need to take this to the police department.
But it turned out to be this incredibly intricate toy
gun from the fifties really, and so that was very
That was pretty bizarre.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I bet you handled that one carefully.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, absolutely, we did. Probably The weirdest thing though, was
the blue toilet. We we pulled up a toilet that
was this weird, bright blue and we knew we had
a we had a big catch.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, how did well what do you do? What do
you do? Just walk along the shore and the stuff
kind of drifts in or do you get out there.
We were able to see the blue toilet and at
that point you said that that's either a blue whale
or a blue toilet. Let's go see what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
No, we actually go diving. We we put on we
don't put on scuba gear, but we put on snorkels masks,
and we dive and we find this stuff. I mean,
it's it's incredible, how how much stuff we find what
we're diving. Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean we're exhausted when
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we get out.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Jousted just listening to you. So are you still accepting
members or no?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Well, we have a long waiting list. When we started,
we were five women, and I consider myself very lucky
that I was one of the originals because it's just
been very, very gratifying to watch us grow. And now
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I think we've got thirty to forty members, and we've
got we've got tons born on a waiting list, I
mean women. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, this is just a great project. It helps I'm
sure getting people out working as a team and doing good. Mary,
this is a wonderful project. I'm so happy that I
could talk to you about it. So let me ask
you this, whether or not people want to join the
group or go on a wait list? Is there a
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way people can follow your exploits? Is there a website
that we can direct them to?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Sure, we do have a website, and it's uh, let's see,
it's o log I believe hyphenma dot com. But if
if they probably the more reliable thing would be to
just google.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Uh, you know o log right, that stands for just
that acronym stands for Old Ladies against Underwater garbage.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Exactly uge, so exactly a ug.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, that's right, Mary, thank you for your time. I
love your spunk, and I love your passion, and I
love what you're doing. And thank you on behalf of
a lot of people who benefit with cleaner ponds as
a result of your commitment to this project. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh you're so welcome. We're doing the work, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I can hear it in your voice. And thanks again.
And you sound more like a cape carter to me
now you've lost the accident.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Got along excellent?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love cape cod absolutely couldn't agree with you more.
Mary grower Holtz. She's a member of the Old Ladies
against Underwater Garbage, and I am a want to I
can't become a member, but I want to become like
an auxiliary supporter or something like that. Thanks Mary, I
appreciate your time tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Wonderful. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Dan, very welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Will we get back. We're going to talk about something
called doom scrolling. We will explain it, and we'll explain
why it's a problem. It is a problem, by the way,
and the first before we get to that, we have
the news at the bottom of the hour right here
on Nights Hour with Dan Ray on a Friday night,
t g I F it is Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's nice Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
All right back here, we're talking with Saba Herony Louie.
She's a licensed marriage and family therapist and the owner
of Take Root Therapy. Saba, welcome to Nightside. How are
you well?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Thanks? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I'm doing just great. We're talking about the nation's obsession
with doom scrolling through social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok,
which some people are calling a national trauma because people
kind of get sucked into this, this this doom strolling.
(19:40):
They keep scroll, scrolling and scrolling, and they spend half
their day day scrolling. Is this affecting everybody equally, meaning
across age, across generations, and across genders, or is there
a specific subset of people who are most sai doable
to this they just can't get away from it.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Well, I mean, I think if we consider who the
social media apps are targeting, those are the folks that
will likely find themselves doom scrolling. I also want to
be clear that the national trauma isn't necessarily the doom scrolling. However,
doom scrolling about the national trauma can keep us in
a place of trauma. We end up looping, and given
that the social media apps are meant to keep us engaged.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They want the clicks. They want the clicks exactly when
you say, when you use the term looping, I don't
know if that is a medical term or a technical
term not, But for me, all that means is you
look at one, you say, oh, that's interesting, here's another one,
there's another one. I mean, they're endless, and it's if
it's it's it's almost like you fall down a well
(20:48):
and you can't get up. You can't get out. How
do you get out of this? Do they need do
they any professional counselors like yourself.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, I think the first step is just to become
conscious us why we're doing it and when it's doing
to us. And so you know, of course we are
people that are empathetic, we are compassionate, we're curious, and
my suggestion is never that we check out completely, that
we're not staying up to date with what's happening in
the world. And if we keep in mind that the
apps and the algorithms are meant to keep us engaged,
and they're going to show us the worst of the
(21:17):
worst because it's going to keep us engaged longer, and
then continue to kind of have us view things that
might be really both awful that it's happening and really
harmful for us to see. It can be also caused
some feelings of powerlessness, helplessness. Sometimes we feel paralyzed. Then
we can recognize this might not be the best use
of my time and energy, this might not be beneficial
(21:39):
for me to continue to engage with. Once they get
step back, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
View of the world.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
It is, I mean, as I say, it's an echo chamber.
We're only seeing things in one frame. We're seeing kind
of one thing amplified over and over again, or one
thing from you know, the same perspective. And I can
really view the way that we experience the world and
how we feel about being in the world, and it
can make life really scary, and it can help those
(22:10):
that are trying to sell advertisements on the apps a
lot more money.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, all of this is pretty depressing when you when
you think about it, What has anyone ever done a study?
And we don't script questions here on Night Side, So
if I ask you a question that's offline, tell me
do we have any estimate as to say? I mean,
we have what three hundred and thirty million people in America?
And if you're taught, if you eliminate the kids who
(22:35):
you know, hopefully are under ten and are doing this,
we're talking about probably, you know, anywhere about three three
hundred and ten million people. Any idea how many people
have been caught in this spider web of doom scrolling
and they just can't escape?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Is this a I can't speak specifically to numbers, but
I can tell you how many of my clients, both adults, teams,
I'm hearing about children too, who are spending countless hours
on their phones, who find it hard to go to
sleep because they continue to scroll and scroll, And so
it seems to be happening across the spectrum in terms
of age and gender. I think it's pretty pervasive.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And this is separate in the part from the people
who are hooked on porn and stuff like that. I mean,
this is a separate category from people who find themselves
hooked on porn.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Right, Yes, that's not what I'm referring to here, right right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's another problems, another problem. That is another problem. So, Okay,
this is a relatively new development because we didn't have
the Internet and the pervasiveness of the Internet even twenty
years ago. How do we get out of this as
a society or are we doomed to continue doomscrolling again?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I think we have to become conscious. We have to
become aware and realize that our phones are tools for
us to use, which can be really helpful. But right
now we have become the ones that are using our
phones without being conscious about being thoughtful. There are many
apps that you can use to kind of stop yourself,
to limit yourself from using certain applications, you can simply
(24:20):
just delete them from your phone, but for some folks
that may seem too difficult. So you start where you
can to try to slowly almost weaning yourself off and
engaging in other activities that you likely are neglecting, timeless
friends and family time, reading time outside, if you are
wanting to engage in activism, getting out in the world
(24:40):
and doing that instead of just consuming tragedy after tragedy,
feeling powerless, feeling hopeless, feeling angry, and yet also feeling paralyzed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I assume like this is an addiction, and I'm not
a therapist, so if I ask you a question, I'm dead.
I feel free to tell me this sounds I think
an addiction.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, it's tricky to diagnose because it is again so
pervasive that I am hearing from folks that, yeah, they do.
You feel like they're addicted to their phone as they
find that it's hard for them to pay attention, it
can be difficult to complete tasks.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And everybody knows that that addictions. Once you're addicted, I
don't care what it is, whether it's the alcohol or
whether it's the hard drugs. Once you're addicted, the first
thing you have to do is you got to recognize
the addiction. You have to admit it. Is that The
first step did you try to take with patients who
come to you with this problem.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Right to look at what is this costing me? What
is this costing me?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, you're looking at a benefit benefit analysis. I guess
you know there's no benefit to it. I guess. And
it's just it's basically you're wasting your time. How can
folks get in touch with you? Or is there somewhere
if there are people listening tonight, can you recommend a
helpline or a way in which if I mean, if
(26:03):
there's one person listening was tonight and says you've just
identified you and I have just identified to them and
we've identified their problem. What who can they reach out to?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
They're welcome to reach out to us. Our website is
takeroot Therapy dot com, and I'm happy to try to
find them suitable resources where they're located. We're located in
Los Angeles, California, so we're able to work outside of
California to serve folks. But we can help you find resources.
And I trust that if you look up my phone
addiction or how to limit my phone time. You're going
(26:37):
to find countless suggestions online that might be able to
help you.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well. Thank you very much, thank you, thank you very
much for your time tonight. You are a licensed marriage
and family therapist, and you have a very calm voice.
I wish I had a voice as calm, and I
would even go so for us to say a calm
and soothing voice, which was which must be something that
you've developed as a therapist to help people. Thank you
(27:04):
for helping my audience tonight. Appreciate it very very much.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Thanks again, Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You're welcome. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend.
Would we get back. We're going to talk about Halloween.
It is the Halloween weekend. It sort of snuck up
on us this year. I mean, you know, all of
a sudden, it's the thirty first of October, Halloween night.
They're having a big event up in Stalem, Massachusetts, not
too far from where I am located. We're going to
talk with Manny and Andrews. He's the founder of the
(27:30):
Scream Club. This is this is this is what exactly
what it sounds like. People can go somewhere and just scream.
I mean, uh, we'll talk about it, I promise.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
On the other side of the break, you're on night
Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
We're just wanted to scream. Well, there is now a
scream club and with us it Manny Herandez Hernandez founder
of the Scream Scream Club. He's also a men's transformational coach.
I have no idea what that means, but we're going
to find out. Manny Hernandez. Welcome to her night side.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
How are you, hey, Dan?
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Thanks for having me. I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
What is a men's transformational coach? I hope it's not
that I think it might be go ahead now, it's not.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
It's probably not where you're thinking. But I'm I'm basically
like a like a mindset coach where I'm trying to
help men become a little bit more self aware and
a little bit more emotionally intelligent. Try to help the
me of five years ago when you really needed that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Emotional intelligence for some reason. I've heard that a few
times in my life. I'm only getting. I'm only getting.
So you have you have something called the Scream Club,
and people actually come to your club. It's a look,
it's a physic location.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Yeah, we meet at North Avenue Beach here over on
Lake Michigan here in Chicago. And yeah, we meet up
and we we screamed both both.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
The summer, winter, spring, and fall. I mean, I guess
I'm sure Lake Michigan. No, Chicago a little bit, be
a little I'd be screaming there just for being outside
in January.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Well, I'll tell you what this is my I just
moved here last year. This will be coming up to
a year now in Chicago. This uh, this will be
my second winter. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I moved here
from La so it's quite a change.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, So so people show up. Is this is this
a uh just a cultural phenomenon or are these people
paying a dues or a fee or a membership in
order to be an official member of the scream clubs
Scream Club No, no, no.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
No, Yeah, it's completely free. We're just creating a space
for people if they're feeling stress or an earning anxiety
from the weak to come meet us at the at
the pier. I'm a breath work practitioner as well, so
I guide them through a few breaks that helped kind
of relax the nervous system a little bit. We give
everybody a pea.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You broke up on me, the man. You teach them
how to breathe Is that what you said?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I I just guide them through a few breaths, like
intentional breath, work breath to help to help just relax
the nervous system.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I really am. Okay. Yeah, And most people just scream
and it doesn't matter that they can be screaming enjoy
and frustration or is it mostly frustration?
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah? I mean, you know, it's that's a good question,
and I'm glad you asked that, because it's it varies, right.
I think that we always tell people, don't you don't
have to tell us why you're here. If you have
something to scream about, to show up and we'll we're
going to hold that space for you. And but sometimes
people still come up to us afterwards, they give us.
They tell us like, hey, you don't understand how much
I needed this, And some of these stories of why
(31:08):
they're screaming. A lot of it is heartbreaking, some of
it is a little bit more joyful. Some say like, look,
I never I haven't I've got my whole life ever
having my voice be heard, and this has given me
the opportunity and the permission to do so.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Have you ever heard the phrase when you're down and out,
get up and shout I'm down and out?
Speaker 7 (31:29):
That sounds very familiar to me.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I don't mean to make fun at all, but I
mean and and so how long is it is a session?
Do you guys run it for an hour and people
come and go? Or are you there for for a
certain period of time? And protocol or courtesy means you stay,
and not only you you scream, face scream, everybody screams,
(31:54):
and you give them some ice cream.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, only you know.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I do have shirts that say I Scream Sundays, so
because we do it on Sundays. So it's a play
on work. Yeah it's pretty cool. But yeah, it's really quick.
It's super quick. We show up at the times have
changed a few times now because it's getting darker out.
But we meet up, let's say at six o'clock, by
six fifteen or walking out together into the pier, I
(32:18):
guide them will quick through the breaths, we do our ritual,
if you will, and that we're out of there five
ten minutes after that. So it's really quick, you know,
it's just a quick intention to let go of anything
that's been bothering you from the week to start Monday fresh.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, So other than just a prime will scream, they
are able to scream and articulate a thought as well.
I know I don't script questions here, but I think
this is really interesting. So other than just yelling at
the top of their lungs, can they scream something whatever?
(32:54):
I'm so frustrated with my job? Oh yeah, they they
scream out messages, is what I'm asking you.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Yeah, they can.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
They can't do that right.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
And it's it's so funny because we have one gentleman
who is a is a big metal head, like he
loves metal music, and what he started coming he would
just yell out his favorite lyric from a metal song.
Just again, just a way to like let it go.
But in terms in terms of intention, right, Like what
we do is we always give everybody a piece of
(33:26):
biodegradable paper that is aquatic safe, it's safe for the environment,
and we have them write down anything that's been bothering
them from the week or just in life that's been
weighing heavy on them. And then before we do the scream.
I count them down three, two, one, and they roll
it up and they toss that paper into the water
as a symbol of I'm letting this go.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's wonderful, that's great. Yeah, Now can they scream foul language?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
I mean I have been known, Yeah, you know I've
because look, I don't I can't control what people say
or what they scream about. But I always try. I
always try to say, Look, there's sometimes there's kids who
come right there, there's kid there are like five year
old kids who come who come with their come with
(34:14):
their with their parents, and parents wanted to show them
a healthy way of releasing stress and anxiety, and so
ideally they're not doing that. But yeah, for the most part,
people just scream. Uh sometimes they'll curse. I mean, I've
heard it, but it's uh yeah, but it's been it's
been pretty pretty uh pg. I would say, for the most.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Part, did you do this in La? Did you bring
this to Chicago or was it the cold weather that
thought that?
Speaker 6 (34:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
I didn't do this in La. You know, I moved
to Chicago. I came here to be with my partner,
who is the co founder of scream club. My partner Lena,
and uh, you know, I just moved through the city.
This is me trying to figure out what the heck
I'm doing with my life now. It's first time living
with my partner that you know, the woes that come
with that and dealing with that for the first time. Yeah,
(35:00):
we were having a pretty crap week and yeah, as
we were walking by the lake, I just said, you know,
do you want to just go and scream? And she
said she was like, yeah, let's do it. But what
if people are What if people are around and they
hear us and I go, don't worry, I'll just ask
them if they want to join. And that's exactly what
we did. We walked over to the pier. There were
a few people around. I turned to one of them
(35:22):
and I said, look, I'm so sorry to bother you,
but we're about to scream into like, if you'd like
to join us, you're more than welcome to and they
were happily obliged, and we did that. We screamed. Some
of those people who joined us cried, and that's when
Elena and I looked at each other. We're like, this
is something that we have to start to think and yeah,
screen Club was born.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, what did they say? Necessity is the mother of
invention here, so you have that's right to do something.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I really enjoyed the conversation. If folks want to get
information or see you got a website or anything, we
can send people to this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Absolutely. The website is www dot Thescreamclub dot com. Or
you can find us on the social media pages scream
Club ch I, so stream Club Chai and they can
find us that way.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, and scream Club you don't need that www anymore,
just scream Club dot com.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Well it's Screamclub dot Com was taken, so we had
to put the Screamclub dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh, Manny, I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much
with it, and I wish it best of luck with
both the White Sox and the Cubs. Although I both
of you may find some cub In White Sox players
screaming with you at some point next season. It can
be frustrated.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, we'll welcome them with open arms.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Again, Manny, I appreciate it. Thank you. When we come back,
we're going to get to the news of the day,
and that is the snap. The supplemental Nutrition Assistance program,
which I think has caused a lot of unnecessary aggravation.
We still don't know what the solution is, which try
to keep you up to date and try to answer
(37:01):
some questions and take some phone calls. How about that?
And then later on this evening, we're going to introduce
you to the owner of Boston's newest professional sports team,
the Boston Dragons pickleball team. Michael Toe will join us,
and then we'll talk some Halloween. In the twentieth hour
of the week, we're coming back on Nightside
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