April 14, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
John Spooner – Financial Advisor & Author of "Wake Up: A Lifetime of Lessons From Smart Women" joined Dan.
Boston Marathon Prep – How runners prepare for challenges of running a marathon such as training, weather, and injury prevention. With Dr. Adam Tenforde - sports medicine physician at the Spaulding National Running Center – one of the only centers in the United States exclusively dedicated to the diagnosis and treatment of running-related injuries.
Also checking in with Dan was Bill Pennington – Founder of Run For The Troops – Cornhole for a Cause Upcoming Event – Sunday, June 8th!
Nikki Stewart - Executive Director of Old North Illuminated, which operates Old North Church Historic Site told us April 18, 2025 will mark the 250th anniversary of Paul Revere’s famous “two if by sea” lantern signal in Old North Church’s steeple & Paul Revere’s Ride.
Two powerful public events that bring Revolutionary history to life in Boston’s North End:
Event 1: Wed. April 16th – Celebration Breakfast Marking Old North Church’s Famous Lantern Signal.
Event 2: Fri. April 18th- Revolution’s Edge: Costumed Reading of the Hit Play – free and open to the public.
Listen to WBZ NewsRadio on the NEW iHeart Radio app and be sure to set WBZ NewsRadio as your #1 preset!
John Spooner – Financial Advisor & Author of "Wake Up: A Lifetime of Lessons From Smart Women" joined Dan.
Boston Marathon Prep – How runners prepare for challenges of running a marathon such as training, weather, and injury prevention. With Dr. Adam Tenforde - sports medicine physician at the Spaulding National Running Center – one of the only centers in the United States exclusively dedicated to the diagnosis and treatment of running-related injuries.
Also checking in with Dan was Bill Pennington – Founder of Run For The Troops – Cornhole for a Cause Upcoming Event – Sunday, June 8th!
Nikki Stewart - Executive Director of Old North Illuminated, which operates Old North Church Historic Site told us April 18, 2025 will mark the 250th anniversary of Paul Revere’s famous “two if by sea” lantern signal in Old North Church’s steeple & Paul Revere’s Ride.
Two powerful public events that bring Revolutionary history to life in Boston’s North End:
Event 1: Wed. April 16th – Celebration Breakfast Marking Old North Church’s Famous Lantern Signal.
Event 2: Fri. April 18th- Revolution’s Edge: Costumed Reading of the Hit Play – free and open to the public.
Listen to WBZ NewsRadio on the NEW iHeart Radio app and be sure to set WBZ NewsRadio as your #1 preset!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's eight o seven. Now here's Nightside with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm de Bezy Boston
News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Wait a second, Cherry, did I hear that score correctly? Hi? Sherry, welcome?
Yeah and uh yeah. Now it's thirteen to one, bottom
of the third in Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Not a great night for the Socks so far though,
still goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thirteen to one. I mean, you know when you said
that their Dampa Bay's in the lead in the bottom
of the third, I'm thinking one nothing, maybe two nothing,
but thirteen to one. Whoa, yeah, we're in the dark.
Welcome to the night shift here. Okay. I hope you
got to hear your voice. Great to hear yours as well.
Thanks so much for keeping us posted throughout the night.
(00:49):
You you do the live reports now at the top
of the hour at eight nine and no, Dan, we'll
be back. Well that's excellent. That way you're going to
be keeping us up to date as to what's going
on around. Thank you so much, Ry, appreciating all right,
good evening, everybody. Welcome on in on. Dan rayam the
host of Nightside Nightside with Dan Ray, the aptly named program.
Rob Brooks, the producer of this program is back in
(01:11):
the control room at Broadcast Central, and without any further ado,
I want to get to my first guest tonight, who
is an institution in Boston. That does not mean he's old,
he's just very, very influential. He is. His name is
John Spooner, but not only is he a financial advisor
of great success, but he's also an author of thirteen books. So,
(01:35):
John Spooner, my first question is where do you find
the time to do it? Number one? I mean that
seriously as someone who spends his entire day trying to
figure out a little four hour radio show five nights
a week. Where do you get the energy?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, well, maybe it's running down a little bit. But
originally I stout out English major in college, wanted to
be a novelist, and I had family pressure to go
into the investment business, knowing that sooner or later when
(02:09):
my first book came out. Not if it was when
my first book came out, I would be out of
there and quit. But I was in the business for
about three years before my first book was bought by
Little Brown, which was a novel was basically a Catcher
in the rye on Wall Street, that wasn't the title.
But by the time that happened, I've made this great discovery.
(02:34):
Because I was horrible in math. I was allowed to
waive second year algebra in high school and probably flunked
the SATs. But I realized after three years in abiz that,
you know what I really believe. It's not about math.
It's about human nature, fear and greed specifically, and every
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time things were bad there was a bear market or
people were scared. You should have been a buyer, not
a seller, and that fear and greed dictated, in my view,
eighty percent of market movements is emotional and twenty percent reality.
And I thought, you know, the only thing I know
anything about is human nature, because I always thought it
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was just a novelist. And sure enough, it's now called
behavioral economics, which is a fancy way of saying fear
and greed. So and because I realized that show business,
meaning of writing has huge movements, the way stock's going
to have up and down, and if you choose the
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creative life, whether you act, sing, dance, write, paint, mostly
you're doomed. In the creative life. It's so tough. So
I thought, don't give up your day job, but I'll
never stop writing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Good for you. Well, you haven't stopped. And this is
the thirteenth book that we're talking about that been all novels.
This one is called Wake Up. A Lifetime of Lessons
from Smart Women. I must tell you in my business,
I think the smartest women are the smartest people in
my business happen to be women I've worked with and
(04:15):
for a lot of smart women. How did this book
come to be?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, all books come from German of an idea. For instance,
years ago I was at caddy at Brookline, Muni now
called Putterham, and I loved the game of golf, and
for years I would have dreams about four young men
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caddies or I don't know who they are walking down
a first t carrying golf bags, and for years I said,
who are they? And finally I wrote a novel called
The Foursome that came out of the nineties. There was
about four kids and they start caddy and then something
bad happens when they're young, and they keep that secret
(05:05):
and it becomes their story. So jerem of the idea.
I wrote a book in nineteen eighty called Smart People,
which was kind of cause to stir. It was very
popular and still resonates today. I believe in about how
do you brand yourself an increasingly anonymous world, and how
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do you get people to get on your team and
take care of you? And little tricks to the trade,
to how you become different than other people and kind
of attract other people to you who actually want to
help you in law, medicine, moneymap, money, money matters, and
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including plumbers, carpenters, etc. Cooks. And there was a chapter
called My Smart Women in it then and for decades
I've been thinking, why don't you do a book just
about women? And boy, if there is ever a time,
this is women's time. And more and more women are
running things at every turn in society, and during the pandemic,
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for instance, Dan, what did women do during the pandemic? Everything?
Women talk to their girlfriends every day. What are you reading?
What are you watching? What are you rubbing on your arms?
What about the kids? What are you cooking? Guys during
that time looking at the window saying who am I?
And what's it all about? And women and the girlfriends
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know what it's all about, because guys don't call guys
who haven't earn touch with their networks every day virtually,
and the guys don't call each other. So more and
more I'm relying as you say, and women do answer
all kinds of questions for me. And the book is
forty two different women, forty two different occupations dan from
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law to medicine, to acting, to marketing, to cooking to
you name it. And they're all women in my life
from the time I was three years old. And the
lessons that they gave me a not only prices, they
are not lessons preaching on high they're practical, down and
dirty streets by lessons that no guy could ever tell me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, that's a great that's that's a great encapsulation of
what the what the book is all about. Again, it's
not often I would characterize you truly as a renaissance
man in the sense that not only have you written
as much as you've written, and in order to write,
you have to think, and also, obviously to be a
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successful financial advisor, people who know you speak very highly
of your advice and your wisdom over the years, and
you wouldn't have stayed in the business and been as
successful as you have been as a financial advisor. So
let me pick your brain for one second. Here, A
lot of people have been panicking. I do not remember
(08:07):
the market being as turbulent in recent memory. I know
we've had bigger drops in nine to eleven. And I
follow the market, not as closely as you, but pretty closely.
I've never seen the market with such swings over a period. Now.
Maybe it's because the Dow is up in the forty
thousand range and all of that, and Nasdaq is up
around twenty and all, and the numbers are bigger. But
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it was amazing last week to see down one day,
up the next down. Then you figure it's going up,
but it goes down, then it goes up. And it
was up a little bit today. Not a big move today.
When do you think that this airplane ride is going
to settle out? You got a sense.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well, basically, I can't say too much about this because
I'm not supposed to talk finance, but I'll give you
one quick impression. Again, it's some behavioral economics or fear
and greed. When I came into this business, the Dow
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Jones average was five hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh yeah, tod I remember those laws were.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Forty thousand plus and how many bumps in the road
and panics. I've worked through probably seven true panics, from
the Kennedy assassination to the crash of eighty seven to
the horrible decade of the seventies twenty percent interest and
every single time there was a panic and panic selling
(09:39):
from nine to eleven, to look back to Pearl Harbor,
which I only remember vaguely, I was a little kid.
And in every case one should have been a buyer,
not a seller, if you take the long term view,
and again behavioral economics says, when there's panic around us,
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that's when there's often opportunity and bargains appear, whether it's
an art or real estate or stocks. And if you
take most people, by the way Dan seem to look
at last week and next week. I try and look
over the chasm way out there, what's going to be
going on three to five years from now? If I
do X And in every single case where usually in
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normal markets things go sideways, there are a few groups
that are strong and a few not so strong. But
when you get a condition where everybody is taken out
and shot, that's where bargains may appear. And if you
take the long run and you buy quality, you're going
to be a winner eventually. So that's my take on
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what's going on now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, I'm glad you hear that take, because that is
the take that I try to ascribe to folks as
well and suggest to people friends of mine. It is
I always joke. I'll say, when it's time to panic,
I'll let you know, but it's not time to Jeordgepter,
thank you so much. The book is Wake Up, a
lifetime of lessons from smart women. I would hope that
a lot of the readers would take and take some
(11:11):
of your examples and apply them in their own life,
because I think all of us, if we look back,
there have been some smart women in our lives. And
whenever I don't think as smart as they are, my
wife and daughter reminds me how wrong I am. Generally
they're right. Judge Boter, thank you so much for your
time tonight. We will talk again, my friend.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, thank you Dan so much. Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You're very welcome. All right, we get back when we
talk about prepping up for the Boston Marathon, how runners
get ready for the challenge of running twenty six point
two miles, training, weather, injury, prevention, all that going to
be talking with a sports medicine physician. We'll be back
on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. It's a Monday night.
We're just starting twenty hours. This is the first hour
of the week, so stay with us for twenty hours
(11:54):
and you'll be a lot smarter and more entertained by
week's end. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm delighted to be joined by doctor Adam ten Fordy.
Doctor ten Fordy, welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'm doing well. Thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're very welcome. You're a sports medicine physician at the
Spalding National Running Center, which is located right here in Boston.
Are well, great Boston area? Correct? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Absolutely. Our goal at the Spaulding National Running Center, which
is part of Nation General Brigham Healthcare, is to provide
a comprehensive approach to taking care of injured runners and
related health concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So you don't have to be a marathon or to
be injured in the marathon to take advantage of Spaulding
National Running Center.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I assume that's correct. A lot of times, folks will
read a little bit about my background and they come
in assuming that you have to be a serious, high
performing athlete to require medical care. And my view is
that the sport of running is available to everyone across
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ability levels and ages, and it's really just a fun
sport we should all be able to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, the problem that running can create for people, particularly
when they get inspired by watching the marathon on Patriots
Day here in Boston, is next week they're out running.
They're trying to run five or ten miles, and they're
trying to go from zero to sixty in about five seconds.
And that's a problem. I'm assuming that a lot of
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people make that mistake. They watch the marathon on television
and they say, I can't do that, but I can
at least run five or ten miles. And the next
morning they wake up and they realize that that was
a huge mistake. What do you tell people who are
going to start out after the marathon. They're going to
get inspire, the weather's now, good spring is here, Other
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than take it easy, what do you tell them?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, first off, I like to bust a couple of
the myths that running is somehow harmful for your body
or your joints, and I think you alluded to this earlier.
An any new activity, just like going to a weight room.
If you just start lifting heavy reps, you're likely to
be sore afterwards, so start slow. Oftentimes there are programs
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that are available online which they refer to as a
couch to five k program, and it's the idea that
anyone should be able to start to advance into running.
Of course, there can be health concerns, and so if
someone is worried about having an underlying medical condition, again,
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myself or anyone at Maasternal Brigham would be happy to
see those individuals where we have sports cardiology in a
number of different ways to ensure that the body and
the heart and other organs are healthy to enjoy the sport.
But in most cases it is so is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It as simple? I mean the advice I would give someone,
And I'm not a marathon but I used to run
a lot of ten k's and to the point of
my life where now my exercise is on an elliptical
machine because I just that's for me is where I
want to be. I tell people, when you're going to start,
just start walking, you know, walk a few you know,
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a little distance, a little more distant than then some day,
you know, could I trot around the reservoir one? So whatever,
maybe next week twice. Gradually, I think is the key.
I'm getting a sense that maybe I'm being too conservative
with my advice.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
No, I actually think your advice is pretty consistent with
what we would recommend, which is typically to do what
we refer to as a walk round for And you know,
there's there's so many advantages of getting out to run,
the community of you know, having someone who becomes an
exercise partner, or even if it's something you like to
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do just to clear your mind. And you know, there's
there's a lot of benefits to just being outside and
and just moving faster.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And I started running somewhat seriously in my twenties. I
had played sports in high school and college and then
went to law school and didn't do too much running.
But I took it easy, and I would go out
do four miles a day, and I would click it
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off around the river, seven minute miles, and I knew
twenty eight minutes I would be done, and I knew
what exactly where where I would be. And I found
it that kind of opened up the world to me,
and I spent a good twenty years on the back roads,
and on occasion had a chance to run with Bill
Rogers because he and I lived in the same town.
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Not for long with Billy Rogers, but we know, run
for a quarter of a mile, maybe on a good
day half a mile, and then you know he threw
it into third gear. What's the best advice you would
give to someone who goes out, maybe overextends themselves, and
wakes up the next morning and says, oh, I've never
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had that discomfort before my leg or my foot or
my ankle. I think I know what you're going to say,
but I want my audience to hear it from you,
not from me.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So first off, just just to respond to your experience
with running. I think that's what's so beautiful about the
sport is you can engage with so many wonderful people
in the community, and in general, runners tend to be
a really nice population to get to know and to
run with. You know, from the standpoint though, of aches
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and pains, those are those are very common when when
someone is either getting into running or any sport in general.
We look at aches and pains that improve as you're active.
So for example, if you go for a run and
the next day you feel a little stiff and sore,
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but as you're moving throughout the day, it feels better
and better. Those tend to be reassuring features. Or not
having pain vocalized directly over a bone, or having pain
in a joint where there's a lot of swelling. Those those,
in general are things that I feel like it's reasonable
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to give your body a little bit of time to
get used to the new activity. But if a pain persists,
or it's getting worse or builds as you run, or
you're having you know, swelling, or you feel like you're
moving in a way in which something else is going
to get hurt, those tend to be the more clear cuts.
And said, seeing myself, seeing a provider National Brigham, just
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someone who understands the injured runner and also is not
going to make you feel bad about getting back into
that sport. That's one of the key, the key factors
that I feel like we've we've got a much better
handle on. And again, this is a sport that people
should be able to enjoy. We don't tell someone who
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plays soccer or football and has an injury. You know,
you shouldn't do that sport anymore because you might get injured.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
What we try to think about is why did you
get that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Injury, and how do we treat it, and how do
we prevent that from happening in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Now, the best website for folks who want to get
more information, and I think we have hopefully certainly at
least scraped the surface. It's spaldingrehab dot org. Is that
the best way that folks can get to the website
and get some information and maybe even get in contact
with you directly.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Absolutely, And you know, in general, you know the other
homepage of mass General Brigham where you know if you
are looking for a sports medicine provider, I'm listed among
a number of colleagues that I really trust and feel
do a do a great job and taking care of
injured runners and others that are just trying to be
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more physically active.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sounds great, Doctor Adam ten forty spelled last name spelled
t e n f o r d E t e
n f o r d pronounced ten forty. Doctor ten forty,
thank you so much, great to talk to you. You
sound to me like a great doctor for people who
are trying to get in shape or indeed stay in shape.
(20:44):
And I really tell you, if I was runner, you'd
be on speed dial for me. Man, you're a great,
great guest. Thank you so much, Thanks.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
For having me and for the kind words.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're right back at you, right back at you. All Right,
we get back on the other side of the news
at the bottom and the air. We're going to talk
about a group called Run for the Troops, but it's
a little different. It's corn Hall for a Cause, an
upcoming event on Sunday, June eighth. This is when everybody
can participate in. You listen to WBZ tenth third in
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(21:38):
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Speaker 2 (21:43):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's fourteen to one in Tampa, fourteen to one, Come on,
come on, Red Sox. I want to welcome back tonight
Bill Pennington, founder of Run for the Troops. Bill Pennington,
welcome back.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
How are you hey, Well, thank you so much for
having us on again. I really appreciate the support.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Thank you my pleasure. Give us a quick I know
we're talking about Run for the Troops, We're not talking
about a road race. Here, give us the quick synopsis
of how Run for the Troops was founded, in what
you have tried to accomplish with that, and then we're
going to talk about your big event on Sunday, June eighth,
corn Hole for a Cause. Tell us about the organization.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
First, well, it was my whole family served in the military.
My mom served in the Marines, my father served in
the Navy, and as I slowed down, I couldn't qualify
for the Boston Marathon. So I put on a fundraiser
to raise money for a charity BIB, and that's how
it all started, and we did really well. And of
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course my daughter continued tradition by marrying a marine. So
I'm though I never directly serve diet. I'm very much
aware of the sacrifices are men and women.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Have Run for the troops has been around. I know
I've interviewed you for several years. How long has run
for the Troops been around?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, sure, that makes sense to me. Okay, so let's
talk about this event is a little different. I know
what corn hole is. It's a fun it's a fun event.
I'd like to call an athletic event, but it really
doesn't involve a lot of athleticism. And it's something that
can be played by people I think from five or
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six years old right up until ninety five or maybe
one hundred and five and one hundred and six.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Tell us about it, Well, it's a great opportunity. It
serves two purposes. It helps us raise money to continue
the programs, and plus it's believing or not life saving
camaraderie opportunities for our veterans. Our veterans I've talked to
them over the years. The one thing they value more
than any thing else is the opportunity to socialize with
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fellow veterans. And this is just a great opportunity we'll
have Navy teams against army teams, marines against you know
Coast Guard, and then we have also civilians there. It's
a great camaraderie event and it takes place at Ironstone
Farm in Andover, so it's it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So this is a day long event. It's on Sunday,
June eighth, which I'm sure the weather will be a
little better than it's been the last few weekends. How
many folks do you think? How many people are going
to participate.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Well, we anticipate selling out. We only have fifty enough
room for fifty teams. We actually have it inside a
riding arena at Ironstone Farm, so the weather is not
a factory.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, and it's very unique. It's it's you know, dirt floor,
it's you know, everyone's working together and to have a
good time and support our veterans. We have auto pizza
and all kinds of refreshment there and all the participants
get extremely worthwhile medals from Ashworth Medals. And it's just
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a camaraderie event and also a fundraiser too.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So if it's fifty teams, there's two two people to
a team as I understand that. So you're talking about
one hundred people, max, Okay, And what time on that
Sunday the things get going o'clock or.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Three o'clock, basically three to five. We suggest you get
there early. You can practice, you know, enjoy some pizza
and some refreshments, camaraderie, and you can pick up your
medals which are great ahead of time. And it's just
and the great thing about Ironstone Farms a lot of
our therapy programs for our veterans take place there, so
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a lot of people have never been to Ironstone Farms
can see the horses and learn a little bit more
about Ironstone Farms and what they do for our veterans.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So there's no it's not like based upon a women's division,
men's division or you know, seniors or people under the
age or whatever. A team can be made up of
any two people as I understand it correct.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, And the one of the teams that finished second
last year, the team that finished second last year is
led by my pastor, Pastor John Paul at Free Christian Church,
and he practices all the time and he's very very
good and his partners are marine. So yeah, so's it's
all walks of life. You know, non athletes. You know,
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we're not going to have anybody from the you know,
anyone can do it, you know, age five, the one
hundred and five and deult as the bass of marathon.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So if they're inclined to do this. And by the way,
you said, everybody gets the metal.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Matters, you know, that's the oh the team nowadays, you know,
oh yeah, every kid.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Get gets a trophy. I hear that. I hear that.
We'll talk about that some other time. But that's okay.
So that's okay. It's it's for a cause. So what's
the website? Obviously people want to get themselves at this
only room for fifty teams, you know, fifty teams of
two people, it's going to fill up pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
So yeah, we we have people registering now and they
can do that front for the Troops m a dot
org and just click on events and it's all on
their registration. Like last year, first time event, we had
forty seven teams and do the space of the writing arena.
You know, we want to make sure it's a good time.
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So for fifty you know, fifty teams and one hundred
spectators are welcome to cheer and support and enjoy some
pizza and you know, refreshments also.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So give me the website. Did you say Friends for
the troops or run for the troops?
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Run for the troops M dot org?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Perfect? Okay, Run for the troops all one word with
an MA in there, dot org. Run for the troops ma,
all one word dot org. And that gets you to
the website I see right here, cornwall for a cause. Sunday, June,
bags fly at three o'clock Ironstone Farm. Remind me what
town is Ironstone Farming, because you know.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It's andover Massachusetts. And you know it well because they're
the connection with mass School of Law. Yes, and certainly
we'll save a spot for you, but you have to
register soon, Damp And that's well.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Understand that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I just never missed that I would discourage anybody because
I'm so good at this. Holy kiddy. Hey, if I
can make it, I will build Pennington Pass always. Thanks
very much. Thanks for the work you do and for
the causes that you support. Very important.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Thanks support also.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Anytime, anytime, Thanks so much. When we get back right
after the break, we're going to talk about another day,
which is April eighteenth, which will mark the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of Paul Revere's famous two of by
Sea lantern signal in Old North Church. That, of course
was the ninth before the nineteenth. They have two events
coming up, and we were back in in seventeen seventy five.
(29:26):
I might add, we have two events we want to
tell you. I'm going to talk about Nicki Stewart, the
executive director of the Old North Illuminated, which operates Old
North Church Historic Site. Back on night Side, We'll give
you a couple of events in the next couple of
days that you might want to participate in. One on Wednesday,
one on Friday. Back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right after this Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Radio, delighted to be joined by Nicki Stewart, the executive
director of the Old North Illuminated, which operates Old North
Church Historic Site. Nikki, I had never heard of Old
North Illuminated. Now I know what organization runs Old North
Church Historic Site. How are you?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I am great, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Me, very welcome. Well, of course, we are coming hard
upon the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of a lot
of things, the Battle of Concord and Lexington, the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Paul Revere's famous to if
I see lantern signal in Old North Church. Now, of
course the Patriots Day has always been well until the
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changes the first Monday and all of that, but it's
always been celebrated on the day of April nineteenth. But
Paul Revere was working before April nineteenth. People have to
remember Revere started his ride the night before.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Yes, the night before.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He was listening to Night's Side on his transits to radio.
And that's how a holy kidding. What time did he
start out trot it out? What about ten o'clock or earlier?
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, pretty late at night. We know that it
was dark and it was a full moon, and you know,
a very dangerous mission.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yes it is. I'll tell you when it's a full moon,
I have a dangerous miss mission because a full moon
does affect my my callers sometimes. So number one, I
know exactly what was going on. So okay, he heads
off and he's warning everyone the British are coming. The
British are coming. This is a dumb question. But but
(31:32):
if anyone that should have the answer, it should be you.
How many miles did he ride? That night. That's all about.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, it's about fourteen miles. I like to tell Boston
Marathon runners that they've gone a lot farger than Paul
Revere's horse.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, well that's true. But fourteen miles on a horse
at night, you know, it's it's it's it's a it's
a it's a it's a dangerous ride. Never mind the
fact that British troops.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Were absolutely, so absolutely and he's yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You have two events this week. You have a celebration
breakfast marking Old North Church's famous lantern signal on the sixteenth,
which is Wednesday. Is that Are the tickets available to
that or is that by invitation only? Tell us about it.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You know, this year we are honoring filmmaker Ken Burns
with our third Lantern Award and we are sold out
as you can imagine, but we are hoping everybody will
come see us on Friday night throughout the North End
in Charlestown for the Bride and the Row commemorations.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So tell us about that, because that's on Friday night.
It is free and open to the public. As great
as the event is on Wednesday, tell us what's going
to happen on Friday night and where should people go
and what should do? They go to the Old North Church,
whether they hang out.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, so Friday night, as we said, it's the Act
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and so there will be
events starting at five thirty throughout the North End and Charlestown.
Folks can go to the Paul Revere House starting at
five thirty. They'll see Paul and Rachel getting ready for
the ride, and they'll be a focus on what that
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was like for his wife and the seven children that
are in the house. That night, folks can go to
the USS Constitution Museum if they're in Charlestown and get
ready to see Revere row across the harbor. But what
I'm excited about is that on the Paul Revere Mall,
starting at six thirty, Old North Illuminated is doing an
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event with the City of Boston to kick off the
Boston two fifty brand, and we'll have a table read
of our hit play Revolution's Edge. And so that is
totally free, open to the public, and the weather is
looking good.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
What is a table read? I think I know what
it is, but I'm sure you can explain it precisely
to me.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah. So Revolution's Edge play that we produced for two
summers in the church, so it's not coming back for
a full production, but we will have costumed actors reading
the script and there will be asl interpretation as well.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And that's inside the Old Wild Church.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That is outside on the Paul Revere mall right by
the statue on Hanover Street.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, well that's again. I just want to make sure
we're getting people to the right place.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh yeah, my time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Is there a website that has the program and the
time of the activities. I'm sure you have a time
schedule on this.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, So folks can go to Old North dot
com and then there's a link right on the homepage
to all of the festivities that night. And I will
also give a plug. The City of Boston is doing
a drone show over the harbor starting at eight thirty,
so folks make their way to Langom Park or over
to the shipyard. They can see the drone show and
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then watch as Revere rode across the water.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So when you say rode across the water, that's that's
why I'm a little concerned.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There's no horse. There's no horse in the boat.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
So he rows across the water water. Is that what
he actually did? And then he picks up a horse
on the other side.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah. So one of my colleagues at the Revere House
says that owning a horse in the city of Boston
in seventeen seventy five was just as hard as owning
a car is in the city of Boston today. So
Revere will go to the water on foot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
The problem is there was no place to park your horse.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
I mean it was this, there was no place to nope.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, So so he actually was there any sort of
a bridge. You know, there is a bridge, you know,
the Washington Street bridge that that connects the north end
to Charlestown. Was there?
Speaker 6 (35:58):
There was not, There was not a Washington Street bridge
at that time. No, So his best bet, and it's
only about a five minute row, so it's quick. So
he walks to the water on foot. He gets rowed across,
and then he picks up a horse from Deacon Markan
And that's what folks will get to see if they're
in Charlestown on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, And so in truth, he didn't row himself. There
were people. There was someone there who.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Two friends, Yeah, two friends who rode him across.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, okay, and this is so this is all going
to be historically accurate, is what I'm what, I'm my senses.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I'm getting it right now as close as we can get.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yep. Yeah, So Channel four News didn't cover the event
live back in the day.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
To the best of my knowledge, I might have been
missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, okay, okay, we've missed a few news stories over
the years. Let's talk. Let's not rub that in Nicky
too much. So we're going to.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Get at this time, We're going to get.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
At that time, I'm sure. So you got to sort
of plan for my listeners if you're going to do this, Yeah,
gotta kind of go to the schedule and figure out
because they're not going to let you in the boat
with Revere. I guarantee you that. Okay. So you got
to make sure that wherever you are, you want, whatever
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you want to see, you have to plan it in advance.
It's as simple as that. So give us the website
where people can go, which is most importantly to kind
of do their homework and strategize. You know, well, yeah,
where they're going to be. Go ahead, it's Old North Yep.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Old North dot com.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yep, Old North dot com. Okay, that sounds great. Now
has anything on this scale ever been attempted I'm wondering
fifty years ago in nineteen seventy five. Was there a
reenactment on this scale back then? Or this sounds to
me pretty big? And if it happened in seventy five,
(37:54):
I missed it, but I was missing a lot of
things at seventy five. I was right out of law
school at the time. Is this a little bit? Has
this reenactment ever been done before this?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
This is this is a big production. So the last
time there was a reenactment of the Row was twenty fourteen,
so it's been over ten years now, and this will
be a much bigger scale than what has been done
in the past. Again, events on both sides of the
Harbor Drone show, tavern nights in Charlestown. It's just going
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to be a really fun night, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And then the last thing, no ideas where you say
that people park their horses or I mean their cars
best if they took for the MVT.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
What you're going to do, Yeah, I would say a
lot of bikes at bike.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's not a lot of parking in the North End.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Great restaurants, great restaurants, but not a lot of parking. Nikki,
you're a good sport. You've you've made it interesting. This
that all goes on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Go to Old Night.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Give us that one more time. You're the best website is.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Old North old dot com Old just Old North.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
That's better. That's better. Okay, great, Nikki, thank you so much. Okay,
you thanks very much. All Right, good night, all right,
we're done for now and we are coming back right
after the nine o'clock news. Spring sprang today. Spring sprung
a little bit. But guess what else follows spring. It's
just not mayflowers. Rats. Uh. Last year the city attempted
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to eliminate as many rats as possible. I don't think
they succeeded. We'll talk about it on the other side
of the nine o'clock news.
It's eight o seven. Now here's Nightside with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm de Bezy Boston
News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Wait a second, Cherry, did I hear that score correctly? Hi? Sherry, welcome?
Yeah and uh yeah. Now it's thirteen to one, bottom
of the third in Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Not a great night for the Socks so far though,
still goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thirteen to one. I mean, you know when you said
that their Dampa Bay's in the lead in the bottom
of the third, I'm thinking one nothing, maybe two nothing,
but thirteen to one. Whoa, yeah, we're in the dark.
Welcome to the night shift here. Okay. I hope you
got to hear your voice. Great to hear yours as well.
Thanks so much for keeping us posted throughout the night.
(00:49):
You you do the live reports now at the top
of the hour at eight nine and no, Dan, we'll
be back. Well that's excellent. That way you're going to
be keeping us up to date as to what's going
on around. Thank you so much, Ry, appreciating all right,
good evening, everybody. Welcome on in on. Dan rayam the
host of Nightside Nightside with Dan Ray, the aptly named program.
Rob Brooks, the producer of this program is back in
(01:11):
the control room at Broadcast Central, and without any further ado,
I want to get to my first guest tonight, who
is an institution in Boston. That does not mean he's old,
he's just very, very influential. He is. His name is
John Spooner, but not only is he a financial advisor
of great success, but he's also an author of thirteen books. So,
(01:35):
John Spooner, my first question is where do you find
the time to do it? Number one? I mean that
seriously as someone who spends his entire day trying to
figure out a little four hour radio show five nights
a week. Where do you get the energy?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, well, maybe it's running down a little bit. But
originally I stout out English major in college, wanted to
be a novelist, and I had family pressure to go
into the investment business, knowing that sooner or later when
(02:09):
my first book came out. Not if it was when
my first book came out, I would be out of
there and quit. But I was in the business for
about three years before my first book was bought by
Little Brown, which was a novel was basically a Catcher
in the rye on Wall Street, that wasn't the title.
But by the time that happened, I've made this great discovery.
(02:34):
Because I was horrible in math. I was allowed to
waive second year algebra in high school and probably flunked
the SATs. But I realized after three years in abiz that,
you know what I really believe. It's not about math.
It's about human nature, fear and greed specifically, and every
(02:57):
time things were bad there was a bear market or
people were scared. You should have been a buyer, not
a seller, and that fear and greed dictated, in my view,
eighty percent of market movements is emotional and twenty percent reality.
And I thought, you know, the only thing I know
anything about is human nature, because I always thought it
(03:19):
was just a novelist. And sure enough, it's now called
behavioral economics, which is a fancy way of saying fear
and greed. So and because I realized that show business,
meaning of writing has huge movements, the way stock's going
to have up and down, and if you choose the
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creative life, whether you act, sing, dance, write, paint, mostly
you're doomed. In the creative life. It's so tough. So
I thought, don't give up your day job, but I'll
never stop writing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Good for you. Well, you haven't stopped. And this is
the thirteenth book that we're talking about that been all novels.
This one is called Wake Up. A Lifetime of Lessons
from Smart Women. I must tell you in my business,
I think the smartest women are the smartest people in
my business happen to be women I've worked with and
(04:15):
for a lot of smart women. How did this book
come to be?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, all books come from German of an idea. For instance,
years ago I was at caddy at Brookline, Muni now
called Putterham, and I loved the game of golf, and
for years I would have dreams about four young men
(04:43):
caddies or I don't know who they are walking down
a first t carrying golf bags, and for years I said,
who are they? And finally I wrote a novel called
The Foursome that came out of the nineties. There was
about four kids and they start caddy and then something
bad happens when they're young, and they keep that secret
(05:05):
and it becomes their story. So jerem of the idea.
I wrote a book in nineteen eighty called Smart People,
which was kind of cause to stir. It was very
popular and still resonates today. I believe in about how
do you brand yourself an increasingly anonymous world, and how
(05:25):
do you get people to get on your team and
take care of you? And little tricks to the trade,
to how you become different than other people and kind
of attract other people to you who actually want to
help you in law, medicine, moneymap, money, money matters, and
(05:46):
including plumbers, carpenters, etc. Cooks. And there was a chapter
called My Smart Women in it then and for decades
I've been thinking, why don't you do a book just
about women? And boy, if there is ever a time,
this is women's time. And more and more women are
running things at every turn in society, and during the pandemic,
(06:11):
for instance, Dan, what did women do during the pandemic? Everything?
Women talk to their girlfriends every day. What are you reading?
What are you watching? What are you rubbing on your arms?
What about the kids? What are you cooking? Guys during
that time looking at the window saying who am I?
And what's it all about? And women and the girlfriends
(06:34):
know what it's all about, because guys don't call guys
who haven't earn touch with their networks every day virtually,
and the guys don't call each other. So more and
more I'm relying as you say, and women do answer
all kinds of questions for me. And the book is
forty two different women, forty two different occupations dan from
(07:00):
law to medicine, to acting, to marketing, to cooking to
you name it. And they're all women in my life
from the time I was three years old. And the
lessons that they gave me a not only prices, they
are not lessons preaching on high they're practical, down and
dirty streets by lessons that no guy could ever tell me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, that's a great that's that's a great encapsulation of
what the what the book is all about. Again, it's
not often I would characterize you truly as a renaissance
man in the sense that not only have you written
as much as you've written, and in order to write,
you have to think, and also, obviously to be a
(07:46):
successful financial advisor, people who know you speak very highly
of your advice and your wisdom over the years, and
you wouldn't have stayed in the business and been as
successful as you have been as a financial advisor. So
let me pick your brain for one second. Here, A
lot of people have been panicking. I do not remember
(08:07):
the market being as turbulent in recent memory. I know
we've had bigger drops in nine to eleven. And I
follow the market, not as closely as you, but pretty closely.
I've never seen the market with such swings over a period. Now.
Maybe it's because the Dow is up in the forty
thousand range and all of that, and Nasdaq is up
around twenty and all, and the numbers are bigger. But
(08:31):
it was amazing last week to see down one day,
up the next down. Then you figure it's going up,
but it goes down, then it goes up. And it
was up a little bit today. Not a big move today.
When do you think that this airplane ride is going
to settle out? You got a sense.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well, basically, I can't say too much about this because
I'm not supposed to talk finance, but I'll give you
one quick impression. Again, it's some behavioral economics or fear
and greed. When I came into this business, the Dow
(09:08):
Jones average was five hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh yeah, tod I remember those laws were.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Forty thousand plus and how many bumps in the road
and panics. I've worked through probably seven true panics, from
the Kennedy assassination to the crash of eighty seven to
the horrible decade of the seventies twenty percent interest and
every single time there was a panic and panic selling
(09:39):
from nine to eleven, to look back to Pearl Harbor,
which I only remember vaguely, I was a little kid.
And in every case one should have been a buyer,
not a seller, if you take the long term view,
and again behavioral economics says, when there's panic around us,
(10:01):
that's when there's often opportunity and bargains appear, whether it's
an art or real estate or stocks. And if you
take most people, by the way Dan seem to look
at last week and next week. I try and look
over the chasm way out there, what's going to be
going on three to five years from now? If I
do X And in every single case where usually in
(10:25):
normal markets things go sideways, there are a few groups
that are strong and a few not so strong. But
when you get a condition where everybody is taken out
and shot, that's where bargains may appear. And if you
take the long run and you buy quality, you're going
to be a winner eventually. So that's my take on
(10:46):
what's going on now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, I'm glad you hear that take, because that is
the take that I try to ascribe to folks as
well and suggest to people friends of mine. It is
I always joke. I'll say, when it's time to panic,
I'll let you know, but it's not time to Jeordgepter,
thank you so much. The book is Wake Up, a
lifetime of lessons from smart women. I would hope that
a lot of the readers would take and take some
(11:11):
of your examples and apply them in their own life,
because I think all of us, if we look back,
there have been some smart women in our lives. And
whenever I don't think as smart as they are, my
wife and daughter reminds me how wrong I am. Generally
they're right. Judge Boter, thank you so much for your
time tonight. We will talk again, my friend.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, thank you Dan so much. Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You're very welcome. All right, we get back when we
talk about prepping up for the Boston Marathon, how runners
get ready for the challenge of running twenty six point
two miles, training, weather, injury, prevention, all that going to
be talking with a sports medicine physician. We'll be back
on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. It's a Monday night.
We're just starting twenty hours. This is the first hour
of the week, so stay with us for twenty hours
(11:54):
and you'll be a lot smarter and more entertained by
week's end. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm delighted to be joined by doctor Adam ten Fordy.
Doctor ten Fordy, welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'm doing well. Thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're very welcome. You're a sports medicine physician at the
Spalding National Running Center, which is located right here in Boston.
Are well, great Boston area? Correct? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Absolutely. Our goal at the Spaulding National Running Center, which
is part of Nation General Brigham Healthcare, is to provide
a comprehensive approach to taking care of injured runners and
related health concerns.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So you don't have to be a marathon or to
be injured in the marathon to take advantage of Spaulding
National Running Center.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I assume that's correct. A lot of times, folks will
read a little bit about my background and they come
in assuming that you have to be a serious, high
performing athlete to require medical care. And my view is
that the sport of running is available to everyone across
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ability levels and ages, and it's really just a fun
sport we should all be able to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, the problem that running can create for people, particularly
when they get inspired by watching the marathon on Patriots
Day here in Boston, is next week they're out running.
They're trying to run five or ten miles, and they're
trying to go from zero to sixty in about five seconds.
And that's a problem. I'm assuming that a lot of
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people make that mistake. They watch the marathon on television
and they say, I can't do that, but I can
at least run five or ten miles. And the next
morning they wake up and they realize that that was
a huge mistake. What do you tell people who are
going to start out after the marathon. They're going to
get inspire, the weather's now, good spring is here, Other
(14:02):
than take it easy, what do you tell them?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, first off, I like to bust a couple of
the myths that running is somehow harmful for your body
or your joints, and I think you alluded to this earlier.
An any new activity, just like going to a weight room.
If you just start lifting heavy reps, you're likely to
be sore afterwards, so start slow. Oftentimes there are programs
(14:31):
that are available online which they refer to as a
couch to five k program, and it's the idea that
anyone should be able to start to advance into running.
Of course, there can be health concerns, and so if
someone is worried about having an underlying medical condition, again,
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myself or anyone at Maasternal Brigham would be happy to
see those individuals where we have sports cardiology in a
number of different ways to ensure that the body and
the heart and other organs are healthy to enjoy the sport.
But in most cases it is so is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It as simple? I mean the advice I would give someone,
And I'm not a marathon but I used to run
a lot of ten k's and to the point of
my life where now my exercise is on an elliptical
machine because I just that's for me is where I
want to be. I tell people, when you're going to start,
just start walking, you know, walk a few you know,
(15:33):
a little distance, a little more distant than then some day,
you know, could I trot around the reservoir one? So whatever,
maybe next week twice. Gradually, I think is the key.
I'm getting a sense that maybe I'm being too conservative
with my advice.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
No, I actually think your advice is pretty consistent with
what we would recommend, which is typically to do what
we refer to as a walk round for And you know,
there's there's so many advantages of getting out to run,
the community of you know, having someone who becomes an
exercise partner, or even if it's something you like to
(16:12):
do just to clear your mind. And you know, there's
there's a lot of benefits to just being outside and
and just moving faster.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And I started running somewhat seriously in my twenties. I
had played sports in high school and college and then
went to law school and didn't do too much running.
But I took it easy, and I would go out
do four miles a day, and I would click it
(16:45):
off around the river, seven minute miles, and I knew
twenty eight minutes I would be done, and I knew
what exactly where where I would be. And I found
it that kind of opened up the world to me,
and I spent a good twenty years on the back roads,
and on occasion had a chance to run with Bill
Rogers because he and I lived in the same town.
(17:05):
Not for long with Billy Rogers, but we know, run
for a quarter of a mile, maybe on a good
day half a mile, and then you know he threw
it into third gear. What's the best advice you would
give to someone who goes out, maybe overextends themselves, and
wakes up the next morning and says, oh, I've never
(17:25):
had that discomfort before my leg or my foot or
my ankle. I think I know what you're going to say,
but I want my audience to hear it from you,
not from me.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So first off, just just to respond to your experience
with running. I think that's what's so beautiful about the
sport is you can engage with so many wonderful people
in the community, and in general, runners tend to be
a really nice population to get to know and to
run with. You know, from the standpoint though, of aches
(17:59):
and pains, those are those are very common when when
someone is either getting into running or any sport in general.
We look at aches and pains that improve as you're active.
So for example, if you go for a run and
the next day you feel a little stiff and sore,
(18:19):
but as you're moving throughout the day, it feels better
and better. Those tend to be reassuring features. Or not
having pain vocalized directly over a bone, or having pain
in a joint where there's a lot of swelling. Those those,
in general are things that I feel like it's reasonable
(18:41):
to give your body a little bit of time to
get used to the new activity. But if a pain persists,
or it's getting worse or builds as you run, or
you're having you know, swelling, or you feel like you're
moving in a way in which something else is going
to get hurt, those tend to be the more clear cuts.
And said, seeing myself, seeing a provider National Brigham, just
(19:04):
someone who understands the injured runner and also is not
going to make you feel bad about getting back into
that sport. That's one of the key, the key factors
that I feel like we've we've got a much better
handle on. And again, this is a sport that people
should be able to enjoy. We don't tell someone who
(19:25):
plays soccer or football and has an injury. You know,
you shouldn't do that sport anymore because you might get injured.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
What we try to think about is why did you
get that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Injury, and how do we treat it, and how do
we prevent that from happening in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Now, the best website for folks who want to get
more information, and I think we have hopefully certainly at
least scraped the surface. It's spaldingrehab dot org. Is that
the best way that folks can get to the website
and get some information and maybe even get in contact
with you directly.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Absolutely, And you know, in general, you know the other
homepage of mass General Brigham where you know if you
are looking for a sports medicine provider, I'm listed among
a number of colleagues that I really trust and feel
do a do a great job and taking care of
injured runners and others that are just trying to be
(20:21):
more physically active.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sounds great, Doctor Adam ten forty spelled last name spelled
t e n f o r d E t e
n f o r d pronounced ten forty. Doctor ten forty,
thank you so much, great to talk to you. You
sound to me like a great doctor for people who
are trying to get in shape or indeed stay in shape.
(20:44):
And I really tell you, if I was runner, you'd
be on speed dial for me. Man, you're a great,
great guest. Thank you so much, Thanks.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
For having me and for the kind words.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're right back at you, right back at you. All Right,
we get back on the other side of the news
at the bottom and the air. We're going to talk
about a group called Run for the Troops, but it's
a little different. It's corn Hall for a Cause, an
upcoming event on Sunday, June eighth. This is when everybody
can participate in. You listen to WBZ tenth third in
your AM radio, my ten thirty on your AM dial
(21:18):
on your AM radio. My name is Dan Ray, and
I'm here every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight.
And WBZ is here for you three hundred and sixty
five days a year, twenty four to seven. And you
can be in touch with us. Just pull down. We're
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(21:38):
a fingertip away. Back on night Side right after the news.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's fourteen to one in Tampa, fourteen to one, Come on,
come on, Red Sox. I want to welcome back tonight
Bill Pennington, founder of Run for the Troops. Bill Pennington,
welcome back.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
How are you hey, Well, thank you so much for
having us on again. I really appreciate the support.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Thank you my pleasure. Give us a quick I know
we're talking about Run for the Troops, We're not talking
about a road race. Here, give us the quick synopsis
of how Run for the Troops was founded, in what
you have tried to accomplish with that, and then we're
going to talk about your big event on Sunday, June eighth,
corn Hole for a Cause. Tell us about the organization.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
First, well, it was my whole family served in the military.
My mom served in the Marines, my father served in
the Navy, and as I slowed down, I couldn't qualify
for the Boston Marathon. So I put on a fundraiser
to raise money for a charity BIB, and that's how
it all started, and we did really well. And of
(22:53):
course my daughter continued tradition by marrying a marine. So
I'm though I never directly serve diet. I'm very much
aware of the sacrifices are men and women.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Have Run for the troops has been around. I know
I've interviewed you for several years. How long has run
for the Troops been around?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, sure, that makes sense to me. Okay, so let's
talk about this event is a little different. I know
what corn hole is. It's a fun it's a fun event.
I'd like to call an athletic event, but it really
doesn't involve a lot of athleticism. And it's something that
can be played by people I think from five or
(23:36):
six years old right up until ninety five or maybe
one hundred and five and one hundred and six.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Tell us about it, Well, it's a great opportunity. It
serves two purposes. It helps us raise money to continue
the programs, and plus it's believing or not life saving
camaraderie opportunities for our veterans. Our veterans I've talked to
them over the years. The one thing they value more
than any thing else is the opportunity to socialize with
(24:03):
fellow veterans. And this is just a great opportunity we'll
have Navy teams against army teams, marines against you know
Coast Guard, and then we have also civilians there. It's
a great camaraderie event and it takes place at Ironstone
Farm in Andover, so it's it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So this is a day long event. It's on Sunday,
June eighth, which I'm sure the weather will be a
little better than it's been the last few weekends. How
many folks do you think? How many people are going
to participate.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Well, we anticipate selling out. We only have fifty enough
room for fifty teams. We actually have it inside a
riding arena at Ironstone Farm, so the weather is not
a factory.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, and it's very unique. It's it's you know, dirt floor,
it's you know, everyone's working together and to have a
good time and support our veterans. We have auto pizza
and all kinds of refreshment there and all the participants
get extremely worthwhile medals from Ashworth Medals. And it's just
(25:14):
a camaraderie event and also a fundraiser too.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So if it's fifty teams, there's two two people to
a team as I understand that. So you're talking about
one hundred people, max, Okay, And what time on that
Sunday the things get going o'clock or.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Three o'clock, basically three to five. We suggest you get
there early. You can practice, you know, enjoy some pizza
and some refreshments, camaraderie, and you can pick up your
medals which are great ahead of time. And it's just
and the great thing about Ironstone Farms a lot of
our therapy programs for our veterans take place there, so
(25:57):
a lot of people have never been to Ironstone Farms
can see the horses and learn a little bit more
about Ironstone Farms and what they do for our veterans.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So there's no it's not like based upon a women's division,
men's division or you know, seniors or people under the
age or whatever. A team can be made up of
any two people as I understand it correct.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, And the one of the teams that finished second
last year, the team that finished second last year is
led by my pastor, Pastor John Paul at Free Christian Church,
and he practices all the time and he's very very
good and his partners are marine. So yeah, so's it's
all walks of life. You know, non athletes. You know,
(26:44):
we're not going to have anybody from the you know,
anyone can do it, you know, age five, the one
hundred and five and deult as the bass of marathon.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So if they're inclined to do this. And by the way,
you said, everybody gets the metal.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Matters, you know, that's the oh the team nowadays, you know,
oh yeah, every kid.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Get gets a trophy. I hear that. I hear that.
We'll talk about that some other time. But that's okay.
So that's okay. It's it's for a cause. So what's
the website? Obviously people want to get themselves at this
only room for fifty teams, you know, fifty teams of
two people, it's going to fill up pretty quickly.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
So yeah, we we have people registering now and they
can do that front for the Troops m a dot
org and just click on events and it's all on
their registration. Like last year, first time event, we had
forty seven teams and do the space of the writing arena.
You know, we want to make sure it's a good time.
(27:50):
So for fifty you know, fifty teams and one hundred
spectators are welcome to cheer and support and enjoy some
pizza and you know, refreshments also.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So give me the website. Did you say Friends for
the troops or run for the troops?
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Run for the troops M dot org?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Perfect? Okay, Run for the troops all one word with
an MA in there, dot org. Run for the troops ma,
all one word dot org. And that gets you to
the website I see right here, cornwall for a cause. Sunday, June,
bags fly at three o'clock Ironstone Farm. Remind me what
town is Ironstone Farming, because you know.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It's andover Massachusetts. And you know it well because they're
the connection with mass School of Law. Yes, and certainly
we'll save a spot for you, but you have to
register soon, Damp And that's well.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Understand that.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I just never missed that I would discourage anybody because
I'm so good at this. Holy kiddy. Hey, if I
can make it, I will build Pennington Pass always. Thanks
very much. Thanks for the work you do and for
the causes that you support. Very important.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Thanks support also.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Anytime, anytime, Thanks so much. When we get back right
after the break, we're going to talk about another day,
which is April eighteenth, which will mark the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of Paul Revere's famous two of by
Sea lantern signal in Old North Church. That, of course
was the ninth before the nineteenth. They have two events
coming up, and we were back in in seventeen seventy five.
(29:26):
I might add, we have two events we want to
tell you. I'm going to talk about Nicki Stewart, the
executive director of the Old North Illuminated, which operates Old
North Church Historic Site. Back on night Side, We'll give
you a couple of events in the next couple of
days that you might want to participate in. One on Wednesday,
one on Friday. Back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right after this Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Radio, delighted to be joined by Nicki Stewart, the executive
director of the Old North Illuminated, which operates Old North
Church Historic Site. Nikki, I had never heard of Old
North Illuminated. Now I know what organization runs Old North
Church Historic Site. How are you?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I am great, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Me, very welcome. Well, of course, we are coming hard
upon the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of a lot
of things, the Battle of Concord and Lexington, the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Paul Revere's famous to if
I see lantern signal in Old North Church. Now, of
course the Patriots Day has always been well until the
(30:35):
changes the first Monday and all of that, but it's
always been celebrated on the day of April nineteenth. But
Paul Revere was working before April nineteenth. People have to
remember Revere started his ride the night before.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Yes, the night before.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He was listening to Night's Side on his transits to radio.
And that's how a holy kidding. What time did he
start out trot it out? What about ten o'clock or earlier?
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, pretty late at night. We know that it
was dark and it was a full moon, and you know,
a very dangerous mission.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yes it is. I'll tell you when it's a full moon,
I have a dangerous miss mission because a full moon
does affect my my callers sometimes. So number one, I
know exactly what was going on. So okay, he heads
off and he's warning everyone the British are coming. The
British are coming. This is a dumb question. But but
(31:32):
if anyone that should have the answer, it should be you.
How many miles did he ride? That night. That's all about.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, it's about fourteen miles. I like to tell Boston
Marathon runners that they've gone a lot farger than Paul
Revere's horse.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, well that's true. But fourteen miles on a horse
at night, you know, it's it's it's it's a it's
a it's a it's a dangerous ride. Never mind the
fact that British troops.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Were absolutely, so absolutely and he's yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You have two events this week. You have a celebration
breakfast marking Old North Church's famous lantern signal on the sixteenth,
which is Wednesday. Is that Are the tickets available to
that or is that by invitation only? Tell us about it.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
You know, this year we are honoring filmmaker Ken Burns
with our third Lantern Award and we are sold out
as you can imagine, but we are hoping everybody will
come see us on Friday night throughout the North End
in Charlestown for the Bride and the Row commemorations.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So tell us about that, because that's on Friday night.
It is free and open to the public. As great
as the event is on Wednesday, tell us what's going
to happen on Friday night and where should people go
and what should do? They go to the Old North Church,
whether they hang out.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, so Friday night, as we said, it's the Act
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and so there will be
events starting at five thirty throughout the North End and Charlestown.
Folks can go to the Paul Revere House starting at
five thirty. They'll see Paul and Rachel getting ready for
the ride, and they'll be a focus on what that
(33:18):
was like for his wife and the seven children that
are in the house. That night, folks can go to
the USS Constitution Museum if they're in Charlestown and get
ready to see Revere row across the harbor. But what
I'm excited about is that on the Paul Revere Mall,
starting at six thirty, Old North Illuminated is doing an
(33:38):
event with the City of Boston to kick off the
Boston two fifty brand, and we'll have a table read
of our hit play Revolution's Edge. And so that is
totally free, open to the public, and the weather is
looking good.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
What is a table read? I think I know what
it is, but I'm sure you can explain it precisely
to me.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Yeah. So Revolution's Edge play that we produced for two
summers in the church, so it's not coming back for
a full production, but we will have costumed actors reading
the script and there will be asl interpretation as well.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And that's inside the Old Wild Church.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That is outside on the Paul Revere mall right by
the statue on Hanover Street.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, well that's again. I just want to make sure
we're getting people to the right place.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh yeah, my time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Is there a website that has the program and the
time of the activities. I'm sure you have a time
schedule on this.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, So folks can go to Old North dot
com and then there's a link right on the homepage
to all of the festivities that night. And I will
also give a plug. The City of Boston is doing
a drone show over the harbor starting at eight thirty,
so folks make their way to Langom Park or over
to the shipyard. They can see the drone show and
(34:58):
then watch as Revere rode across the water.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So when you say rode across the water, that's that's
why I'm a little concerned.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There's no horse. There's no horse in the boat.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
So he rows across the water water. Is that what
he actually did? And then he picks up a horse
on the other side.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah. So one of my colleagues at the Revere House
says that owning a horse in the city of Boston
in seventeen seventy five was just as hard as owning
a car is in the city of Boston today. So
Revere will go to the water on foot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
The problem is there was no place to park your horse.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
I mean it was this, there was no place to nope.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, So so he actually was there any sort of
a bridge. You know, there is a bridge, you know,
the Washington Street bridge that that connects the north end
to Charlestown. Was there?
Speaker 6 (35:58):
There was not, There was not a Washington Street bridge
at that time. No, So his best bet, and it's
only about a five minute row, so it's quick. So
he walks to the water on foot. He gets rowed across,
and then he picks up a horse from Deacon Markan
And that's what folks will get to see if they're
in Charlestown on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, And so in truth, he didn't row himself. There
were people. There was someone there who.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Two friends, Yeah, two friends who rode him across.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, okay, and this is so this is all going
to be historically accurate, is what I'm what, I'm my senses.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I'm getting it right now as close as we can get.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yep. Yeah, So Channel four News didn't cover the event
live back in the day.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
To the best of my knowledge, I might have been
missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, okay, okay, we've missed a few news stories over
the years. Let's talk. Let's not rub that in Nicky
too much. So we're going to.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Get at this time, We're going to get.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
At that time, I'm sure. So you got to sort
of plan for my listeners if you're going to do this, Yeah,
gotta kind of go to the schedule and figure out
because they're not going to let you in the boat
with Revere. I guarantee you that. Okay. So you got
to make sure that wherever you are, you want, whatever
(37:14):
you want to see, you have to plan it in advance.
It's as simple as that. So give us the website
where people can go, which is most importantly to kind
of do their homework and strategize. You know, well, yeah,
where they're going to be. Go ahead, it's Old North Yep.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Old North dot com.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yep, Old North dot com. Okay, that sounds great. Now
has anything on this scale ever been attempted I'm wondering
fifty years ago in nineteen seventy five. Was there a
reenactment on this scale back then? Or this sounds to
me pretty big? And if it happened in seventy five,
(37:54):
I missed it, but I was missing a lot of
things at seventy five. I was right out of law
school at the time. Is this a little bit? Has
this reenactment ever been done before this?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
This is this is a big production. So the last
time there was a reenactment of the Row was twenty fourteen,
so it's been over ten years now, and this will
be a much bigger scale than what has been done
in the past. Again, events on both sides of the
Harbor Drone show, tavern nights in Charlestown. It's just going
(38:27):
to be a really fun night, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And then the last thing, no ideas where you say
that people park their horses or I mean their cars
best if they took for the MVT.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
What you're going to do, Yeah, I would say a
lot of bikes at bike.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's not a lot of parking in the North End.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Great restaurants, great restaurants, but not a lot of parking. Nikki,
you're a good sport. You've you've made it interesting. This
that all goes on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Go to Old Night.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Give us that one more time. You're the best website is.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Old North old dot com Old just Old North.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
That's better. That's better. Okay, great, Nikki, thank you so much. Okay,
you thanks very much. All Right, good night, all right,
we're done for now and we are coming back right
after the nine o'clock news. Spring sprang today. Spring sprung
a little bit. But guess what else follows spring. It's
just not mayflowers. Rats. Uh. Last year the city attempted
(39:29):
to eliminate as many rats as possible. I don't think
they succeeded. We'll talk about it on the other side
of the nine o'clock news.
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