June 27, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
The 12 germiest places you encounter while traveling! Derek Oliveira – Global Consultant for ISSA has the heads up.
Worcester Zoning Board rejects 75-foot digital billboard that neighbors opposed. Afton Pratt - Municipal Government Reporter for the Worcester Telegram & Gazette stopped by.
How restaurants got so noisy! Chris Berdik - author of “Clamor: How Noise Took Over the World — and How We Can Take It Back.” - science journalist discussed with Dan.
WBZ Extended Summer Traffic Report – Weekend Traffic Predictions with Zach Transport – WBZ Traffic Reporter.
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The 12 germiest places you encounter while traveling! Derek Oliveira – Global Consultant for ISSA has the heads up.
Worcester Zoning Board rejects 75-foot digital billboard that neighbors opposed. Afton Pratt - Municipal Government Reporter for the Worcester Telegram & Gazette stopped by.
How restaurants got so noisy! Chris Berdik - author of “Clamor: How Noise Took Over the World — and How We Can Take It Back.” - science journalist discussed with Dan.
WBZ Extended Summer Traffic Report – Weekend Traffic Predictions with Zach Transport – WBZ Traffic Reporter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice, Dan ray I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Madison Rogers, and I hope you have a
great weekend and a couple of days off. I know
I'm looking forward to the weekend. It is Friday night,
June twenty seventh.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We are a mayor.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What's it four days now, less than four days, three
plus days away from July. We're almost halfway through the year.
My name is Dan raym the host of Night's One.
I'm heard every Monday through Friday night right here on WBZ,
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have four interesting guests different top here, some of which
I understand better than the others.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But the first one.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think all of us understand, and that is as
we travel this summer, or as we travel anywhere anytime
during the year, we're going to learn. Now, what are
the germiest places. I'm not talking about countries. I'm talking
about the germiest locations on you travel itinerary that you
can be exposed to with us as Derek OLIVERA he
(02:26):
is a global consultant with ISA or ISASA. I have
been trying to figure out what the ACRONYMSA stands for. So, Derek,
you work for the company. I assume you know what
it is. What does ISSA stand for? And welcome to
Night's side?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Hey getting me? Then thanks for having me. So I
has to say stands for the International Sanitation Supply Association.
So we are the world's largest association when it comes
to janitorial and healthkeeping.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
All right, well that's great. So you are an expert
here and you folks, I guess have figured out the
germiest places that people will encounter while they're traveling. And
they're not the places that most of us might think of.
The places that are the germyst give us a let's
walk through them, because some of them have surprised me,
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really surprised me.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Go right ahead, so I can give you four of each. Well,
if we're talking about the airport in transit would whether
it be planes, trains or buses. And at the hotel, sure,
so the first one would be the security events, right,
So or we all put our personal belongings before we
pass through those metal detectors. So those bens, thousands of tens,
that's those bins daily and the studies have shown that
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they carry more viruses than airport toilets. And we have
rarely going on.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Do you want to headset by the way or no?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, I'm on my phone.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, good, okay, because I want to make sure I'm
not talking all of you. I didn't understand when you
say security events, you're talking about the we call t
SA and you put your bag on the uh.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Exactly, those those gray bins.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, oh, the gray bins. Oh the grape that you
put your bag in and then it moves through. Oh
why why are they so good?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Before going in? Of hands touched those daily and they
never clean them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They never cleaned them. Oh my, very rare.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's that's that's one I would not have thought of.
Good one, God, what can you do? We're gloves or
or what's.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Wash your hands after manipulating them?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Good? Good point, good point. Okay, So that's one.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What else we got We got the touch screens so
check in kiosks and gates, So again, rarely disinfected and
yet heavily used by travelers.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, good point.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Airports, seating armors, the cloth seats, the obviously limited cleaning
and perfect spotf for terms to thrive. And then the
fourth one at the airport would be the water fountain.
So everyone touches them, but very few people clean them.
And obviously they're obviously in damp environments, which is great
for turns and bacteria to grow.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Where the troops are having a ball at the airport.
What about on planes itself? What about they don't clean
the seats on planes? The plane lands, people get off,
everybody wants to get on and.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
As quickly as possible. What about planes?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So that's a great point, right, So obviously we've been
to the airport before and we see that you know,
we're waiting for our plane. Our plane arrives at the gate.
You know there there's fifteen minutes interval for those that
you know that incoming flight to disembark, and then fifteen
minutes for us to embark. And we know that they're
not doing a great job cleaning their planes, and that
fifteen minutes. So we have the trade tables. So one
of the dirtiest surfaces on the plane obviously used for
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eating resting heads. You know, changing diapers. Oh so not
that the cleanest placed on a plane. Yeah, absolutely, I've
seen it all. Seat belt seat belts are very very
clean between flights. Yeah, overhead air vents and the light
buttons right, what we call for the stewards, that button
that we're pressing, not great, not cleaned very often. And
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then bathroom handles right, the door handles, the flush buttons
highly touched, poor event poorly ventilated and often clean quickly
between uses.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, you know all of these things, if you think
about them, they're they're exactly what we should think about.
But I got to be honest with you. All the
flights have taken I've never brought with me. I think
I want to bring hand sanitizers with me, or maybe
some clean wipes.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I don't want to sound crazy, But so you've got
a few other places also, elevator buttons, elevator buttons so.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, so at the hotel, absolutely, elevator mountains, the TV
remote control right, rarely sanitized, but every guest touches them. Yeah,
light switches, high contact services that can harbor bacterial for days.
Everyone's touching those bedspreads and decorative pillows. I don't know
if you guys have seen, but Vegas right now is
going through a pandemic with bed bugs. So bedspread fits
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right into their washed fairly frequently than sheets and pillowcases.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Boy, I'll tell you this is something I had never
thought of, and it's going to change my attitude towards traveling.
As a matter fait, I'm probably not gonna want to
travel anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Traveling has become very much less fun than it used
to be. I mean, now the gates are always a
half a mile away. It's not that I'm getting any younger,
but the people, the crowds, everybody gets up, the travelers. Now,
when the plane pulls into the gate, everybody jumps up.
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It's like nobody's gonna move for ten minutes. They won't
even open the door, but everybody's standing there. They're trying
to pull their over bags down. They're bopping their neighbors
with their bags. I mean, it's have you noticed howl
ear travel has become bus travel?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's my thought. Are you are you with me on
that or no?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah? So I obviously for my job, I travel a lot.
And the thing that I hate the most is actually
get into the airport and get on the plane. It's
I think people have lost their common sense and it's
it's become a jungle out there.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So what do you do, Derek? You must have some tricks?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Do you do? You bring wipes with you, handy wipes
or something. What do you do?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So, so here's my travel tip, right, so Kerry, disinfectant
wipes or hand sanitizer, minimum sixty percent alcohol and wash
you wash your hands frequently, especially before eating or touching
your face.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Big go.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
If we had the discipline to follow those rules, your suggestions,
not rules, we would probably be more healthy at the
end of our trips because we don't think about this.
We really don't think about this. So Vegas now has
bed bugs?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's it's common knowledge. I've
read a lot of articles in the last couple of
days that a lot of major hotel chains are suffering
now with a large bug infestation.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, the Chamber of Commerce must love that, huh. I
mean it makes sense. It makes all the sense in
the world. It makes all the sense in the world
when you think about it. Wow, Derek, this this was
great your organization. If folks would like to get in touch.
You know folks who will come on the show generally
they're plug in a book or they're plugging an organization.
(09:23):
Who would be in my audience who could avail themselves
of the services of ISSA.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I mean, anyone that has any commercial real estate, you know,
residential cleaning, you know common spaces, real estate managers, anyone
that's looking to improve, you know, the sanitation of their buildings.
They can reach out to us ISSA dot com. You'd
be more than happy to help.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And you're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We're broadcasting probably right now in about thirty five states,
just with terrestrial over the air radio. Is there a
specific part of the country where you have a greater
footprint or are you equally everywhere in all forty eight states?
Be fifty states.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We are a global organization. We are worldwide. We have
offices in Asia, we have offices in Europe, America, Canada.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Okay, yep, that's great.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I just wanted to make sure, and we have people
listening to our show, by the way, all over the
world on the internet, so maybe we'll generate some business
for you. You certainly know what you do, and I appreciate
you taking the time to talk with us.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Tonight, particularly in Friday Night.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Derek OLIVERA he's a global consultant for Isaissa dot Com.
Appreciate it, Derek, Thank.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You much, my pleasure.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, talk to you again. We get back on to
talk about a bit of a dust up in Worcester.
The Worcester Zoning Board has rejected the construction of a
seventy five foot digital billboard that neighbors opposed. So they
say you can't fight city hall. Well, this group of
neighbors apparently did fight, or at least they they went
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to city Hall and they won. We're going to talk
with Afton Pratt. She's the municipal government reporter for the
Worcester Telegram and Gazette, a great newspaper. Will be back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio Porright.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Welcome back with us is Afton Pratt works as a
municipal government reporter for Worcester City for Worcester Telegram and Gazette.
After I assume that means you're a city hall reporter,
right Dan.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
I mostly cover city council and other city hall matters,
So yeah, that's what I'm doing for the Telegram. Right now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Okay, it sounds fancy when it's municipal government reporter, but
I'm thinking of the old city hall reporter. That's the Beat. Okay,
so we're gonna talk about a Worcester zone. How long
you've been with these telegramm the TNG, as we say.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Uh, today marks three weeks actually, so pretty new to
the Beat and the Telegram.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Welcome three weeks and you're already on night side in
the capital city.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
This is great. Where where did you work before Worster?
Sure if I could ask?
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Well, I actually just graduated from grad school. I just
got my master's in journalism, so I've been living in
Tennessee for the past five years, but I'm from Massachusetts.
So it's great to be back in a great tee,
back in an area I love so much.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh that's great. So I'm always curious how people get
into business. Will pardon me for asking, but would you
get the graduate degree?
Speaker 8 (12:23):
I got it from the University of Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So you're a volunteer, right, well they called the vaults.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Yes, I am a huge Tennessee volunteer fan for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Wow, Peyton Manning's neck of the woods right, Yes, saw
I'm on campus a few times walking to.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Class, which is a pretty surreal experience.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
All right, so tell us about this. There was a
company that wanted to put up a seventy five foot
digital billboard which they were going to have I guess
it was going to basically be seventy feet high so
it could be seen by people with it on two
ninety when the Master and.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Park it was on to ninety I believe it was. Yeah,
it was being placed right along a neighborhood that ran
alongside the highway, which is why there was such an
outcry from residents about it. You know, didn't want to
have to see the digital billboard from their windows when
they're trying to sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, so that's that is a big story for that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The neighborhood in question that doesn't have it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know sometimes there's like little sub sections of communities.
It's part of Worcester. But was there a neighborhood name associated.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
With it or no?
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Yeah, what I went out. They also they're in the
Indian Lake community and lived alongside the lake. A lot
of them had property on the lake, which was another
huge issue. Was you know, wanting to be out on
the water and having this huge billboard from the lake
that they could see, and you know, they didn't want
that in their neighborhood. Didn't want to see it when
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they were trying to just enjoy a day out on
Indian Lake.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, sometimes these things happen all of a sudden, quietly,
and people wake up one day and realize, what's this.
Someone must have figured out there was something coming into
the neighborhood. What's the backstory if you can share that
with us.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
Yeah, I heard about it from a Facebook post actually
made by a member of the community. So I went
out there and talked to him and he put me
in touch with some other people and who were featured
in the article as well, But they said the same
thing that they only had heard about it about a
week prior to when the zoning Board of Appeals was
having their meeting to decide whether to put it up.
So it was a pretty quick turnaround time. It was
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not advertised well, a lot of people in the neighborhood
didn't know about it, and then a few community members
went out and spoke to people on the street and
let them know what was happening. And you know, that's
when people started getting upset about it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I've never heard of this outdoor advertising companies called
Ken Joe K. Does that have a footprint in the
central Massachusetts area. Is that a fairly big outdoor advertising company.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
No, this would have been their first billboard in Massachusetts
at all. I believe they were operating in other states.
They're an established company, but they don't have any billboards
or any property in Massachusetts. It would have been their
first one.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So these residents were able to take the fight to
city hall. Does this look as if it's over or
is Ken Joe threatening to try to go into court
and overturn the ruling from the zoning board since the
end of the story essentially is what I'm asking here.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
From what I saw from Kenjo at the meeting, I'm
not sure if they'll appeal it. The zoning board gave
them the option to withdraw the permit before they took
a formal vote, and they chose not to, and then
the zoning board took the formal vote. Everybody voted, know,
so it's possible that they could go back and try
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to have it overturned, but I'm not sure currently if
that will be what they end up doing, or if
this is a done deal for them.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, they could have withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It without prejudice, which would have given an automatic chance
to go back.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I assume that that was the incentive.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That might have been offered. Does the zoning board feel
that this particular area is a residential area and a
commercial enterprise like this is something that their vote will
will withstand, you know again.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Review judicial review.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Outdoor advertising company, when they were talking to the zoning board,
they said one of the reasons they wanted to put
that billboard there was because Wooster has pretty strict zoning
laws on where billboards can and cannot go, and this
was essentially one of the only areas in the city
where it would have been allowed. But yeah, the zoning
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board and residents felt adamant that this shouldn't be the
zoning laws in this area shouldn't allow for that, and
the chairman of the zoning board, you know, let people
know that this is something that could possibly changed if
it goes through city council and everything, But right now,
the zoning laws do allow for billboards to be there.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So did the zoning or rather, did the billboard company
go to residence and offer any mitigation.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To them or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Was there any hey, if you do this, we'll make
sure that the streets are plowed properly. Or was it
just simply let's give it our best shot and see
if we can get it past the zoning board.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
I didn't hear anything along those lines. I believe they
said they talked to some residents. All the residents who
showed up at the zoning board meeting said they hadn't
been spoken to. It was new news to them. They
hadn't been reached out to by the advertising company. So
from what I gather, they hadn't really done anything in
the neighborhood to try to get people on board with this.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't know the answer to this, but I assumed
that they would have been obligated to have given notice
to at least the abutters, to the to the area
that they were going to erect this billboard. So I mean,
you just kind of go in and not tell people
what's going on. You have to give them some notice
and have to hopefully publicize it a little bit ahead
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of time. But it sounds to me like the homeowners
have won, and hey, I wouldn't want it in my backyard.
I certainly don't understand why anyone would want it in
their backyard either. So uh, welcome to, welcome to, Welcome
home to Massachusetts often, and hopefully we'll get a chance
to do some more of these stories, because these are
the best stories. They're they're they're close. I've done these
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stories as a TV reporter many years ago, and they're
they're close to poll It's it's it's just it's that
you really can get it as a reporter, really get
the story behind the story, and that's what makes us
so exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So thanks very much for this story. I enjoyed talking
with him. We'll talk again, yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Of course, and thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You're welcome. You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
When we get back, we're going to talk about restaurants,
specifically noisy restaurants. We'll explain right after the news at
the bottom of the air. I'm about a minute or
so late, but we'll get We'll can't kill it up,
I promise. We have two more guests, and then we
go to our topics of the night coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Thank you, Madison.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
We're going to talk about restaurants and the clamor that
apparently now is in too many restaurants in America. With
us is Chris Burdick. Chris has written a book called Clamor,
How Noise took Over the World and How We Can
Take It Back. He's a science journalist, former staff editor
at The Atlantic and Mother Jones.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Chris, Welcome to Night Side.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
How are you, sir, I'm great, Dan, Thanks for having
me here.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You're very welcome. When did this book come out? Is
this recent?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, it just came out in May.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Good. That's great. Well, it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Some I don't care if a book is five years
old or five weeks old. I think it's important, and
particularly when it's new. And frankly, I sometimes a lot
of the questions I ask during these interviews, As you know,
there's no script of questions here. So let's start off
with the book is How Noise took Over the World
(20:38):
and How we Can Take it Back. But it looks
to me like the piece we're doing here is an
opinion piece on how restaurants got so noisy. Explain to
me we're kind of drilling down here. If we're going
to focus on restaurants, tell us about it.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Sure, well, you know, the book is focusing on how
noise took over the world, and there are two parts
of that. One is just more and more people. It's
just math, you know, more people were living closer together,
using more and more noise, producing stuff, more roads, more airplanes.
But we've compounded that by what I call sonic shortsightedness.
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And that's where things like restaurant noise come into play.
Where we've made choices when we design our buildings and
when we plan our restaurants, when we build our cities
that have just been not aware about the noise that
we're going to create. So with restaurants, this was in
the nineties a decision or a number of decisions to
(21:39):
follow a trend to take all the upholstery out, to
take all the sound absorbing carpeting and drapes. Everything is
a hard surface, so that makes the sound just bounce
around endlessly. And then another decision was to bring the
kitchens out from behind the walls and put them in
the middle of everybody. And then another one was to
increase the energy by cranking up the the music.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So well, you were you're absolutely right, But wasn't that
just those were the trends of the day. I mean,
I knew that. I knew a restaurant where all of
a sudden, there was like an open pit in the
middle of the restaurant and you looked at it, and
when you went there the first time, you thought, wow,
that's pretty cool. It's interesting. You watch the chefs, you
see them cook all of that. But the other thing is, look,
(22:25):
I can remember my favorite restaurants from like the seventies,
when I was just coming of age and I had
enough money that I could actually go to a nice
restaurant or take someone to a nice restaurant, and you'd
have carpeting and they'd be drapes, and you just felt
it almost felt like home. And then all of a sudden,
(22:46):
like in the nineties, it seemed all of those great
restaurants disappeared, and we ended up with a lot of
restaurants that have good food. Don't get me wrong, but
you know again, you're right, it's all plastic. Tables are
on linoleum floors, and whenever someone moved the chair, you
could hear the squeak of the chair and the ceilings.
(23:08):
You're yeah, but I just viewed it, and I watched it,
but I just thought, well, this was the new trend,
and whoever was all change for the sake of change?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Unless if I'm totally wrong, please tell.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Me no, you're right. I mean, it was the trend,
and you know, it was just a matter of when
people were doing this, they didn't have the wherewithal or
the thought to It's easy to understand kind of the
drama of having the kitchen in the middle of the place.
That's cool. To have the look of a you know,
(23:43):
fifteen foot window with you know, the exposed ceiling. All
of that is kind of intuitive. You can draw that
out an artistic architectural rendering that makes intuitive sense. But
to kind of understand what that's going to sound like
when you have five hundred people in there eating and
you've you've cranked up that music that everybody loves, and
(24:04):
then what happens is called the Lombard effect, which is
kind of this automatic thing that we do when things
get loud, we start raising our voice to get over that,
you know, and then that just that adds to allowed.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Me, well, everybody, Yeah, if you're at a Celtics basketball
game or a Bruins hockey game. It's not a library,
and you you're sitting next to somebody and talking about
it and wats that play over there. Everybody's raising their voices, so,
you know, But you go to a restaurant not because
you want to be in a hockey game or a
basketball game or a baseball game. You go because you
(24:37):
want to be able to talk to the other person
across the table or on you know, if you've got
four people at a table, that there can be a
conversation that everyone can hear, and if they if you
do have music or whatever, I find for example, Uh,
the worst places that I go to a gym and
the music that that is picked, there's no there's no
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music as far as I'm concerned, other than disco that
everybody's gonna like. But I'm told, young people, don't, you know,
give me Donna summers all day long, you know. And
but but someone else is going to want to, you know,
want other other type music.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And it's always loud. It's always loud.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So I got my earplugs and I'm trying to watch
TV and listen to TV and all, you.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Know, all all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But restaurants, do you think at some point.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Some restaurants. There's a restaurant outside of you. You you're
not from our area, correct, Chris, where are you located?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
No, I'm from Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm local.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I mean, okay, so let.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Me mention it Ken Steakhouse on Route nine in framing him.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Okay, that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, it's a great restaurant. Uh, it hasn't changed. Uh
in a long time. The men used the same I
remember the great restaurants in Boston from the seventies, the
eighties and the nineties, Anthony's and Jimmy's down in the waterfront. Now,
obviously they change the seaport and and and the value
of the land. The land became more valuable than the restaurant.
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But there were great restaurants that just disappear. And sometimes
my feeling is, why is it that always it seems
to be the best restaurants are the ones that disappear first.
The lousy restaurants that are rip offs for some reason,
they stay in business.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's one of my pet peeves. Have you noticed that
or or am I just cranky?
Speaker 6 (26:28):
I don't know. Yeah, you know, it's a it's a
tough business, and I think a lot of them. Uh,
you know, it's hard for anybody to hold on in
that in that in that business. So I don't know,
I haven't noticed that particular trend.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, it seems to me that the restaurants that I
like the best are the ones that go out of business.
Uh And and generally, what I'm looking for is exactly
what you're talking about. A place where you can go
and there's enough space between the tables. You pay maybe
a little extra, but there's enough space. They're not cramming
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you in so that every time you move your chair
you're bumping into the person at the next table, who.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You have no idea who they are. That's another thing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They crowd more people into the room, which has to
contribute to the noise level as well.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah, it sure does, because then you're getting the cross talk,
and that's one of the hardest thing. It's not just
the decibel level, it's also the number of voices that
you're trying to contend with because your brain has to
sit through that to kind of focus on the voice
that you want to hear. So that is an extra challenge.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The corollary of that is you're on the airplane, and
the plane has yet to take off. And the guy
who's sitting next to you across the aisle, he has
to have his he has to make his final phone call.
He context or anything like that, but he has to
make his final phone call, and he has to impress
upon as many people as he can.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now, you know, I want to get this thing done
before six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So I want you, guys by tomline Land, where are
we going? Oh yeah, in Toronto, that this thing better
be on my jest. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And you realize that the guy's probably not talking to anybody,
He's just making making himself themselves sounds important. And I
look at those guys and like, really really anyway, But
that that that comes down to the ignorance quot that
I think more and more people are allowing to invade
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their their their their personal space. Chris, let's hope for
better and more quiet uh and and just better restaurants,
better dining experiences, and yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
From from your lips to God's ears.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Then all right, now, look, let's let's plug the book again.
Clamor How Noise took over the World and how we
can take it back. That's available. I assume Amazon, do
you have a website people can go to Chris, let's
sell some books here, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Oh yeah, sure, it is available anywhere books are sold.
But a one stop shop if you want to have
your pick is at www dot Chris Burdick dot com.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And Burdick is b E R D I K.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And by the way, as I tell everyone that www thing,
that's so nineties. We don't need that anymore. Just Chris
Berdick dot com. Keep it simple, okay, Chris, I enjoyed
the conversation. You're you're selling, you're selling. We'd get along. Thanks, Thanks,
my friend. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Okay, thank Manright, good night, we get back.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
We're going to have a special extended summer traffic report
for all of you. I know many of you out
right now are heading to the Cape. We're going to
talk about next hour. There's an interesting piece in the
Globe today written by a guy named Billy Baker who's
on the Globe staff. The headline is Cape cod Worth
the miserable traffic. You bet it is, Billy. We'll we'll
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talk about that and we'll get a traffic update from
one of the most aptly named traffic reporters in the
history of traffic reporting. Zach Transport coming up, and then
later on tonight we'll talk about the Supreme Court decians
and at eleven tonight, I'm looking for some positive stories
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at that's our twentieth hour. I want to know something
that might have happened to you this week where someone
helped you. I have a story to tell where a
guy helped me last Sunday night. I'll explain that some
of you have heard it already, but it was an
extraordinary It was almost as if my guardian angel was
on my shoulder that night. And I'm sure you've had
(30:27):
some similar experiences. So we're gonna have a lot of
fun right now between now and midnight. Stick with us.
My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Rob Brooks is here.
When you call, the first person you talk to is
Rob Brooks. Second person tonight you'll be talking to is me.
Because we have no guests lined up tonight, it's you,
me and Rob Brooks and tens of thousands of people
(30:48):
listening to us. Don't be intimidating back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
If you're on night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right, let's get right to I guess the aptly
named Zach Transport, WBC traffic reporter. Zach, When did you
change your last name to Transport?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Hey, Dan, how you doing? No, I'm good, I'm good.
You know, my last name has always been Transport. Surprisingly,
you know, with my family name, we've had it. I
believe I was told by my family. We've had it
since they came over on Ellis Islands, so we've had
it forever. And it was that before we came over
there too, so there was no changeover as well. So
that is the original name. I am Zach Transport. I
am a traffic reporter and that's what I do every
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single day, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I heard that you changed your last name to Transport
and your last name was Storo drive.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That I think that might be an ugly rumor. Dan, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right, So let's let's take a quick look at
how we're doing tonight. This is Friday night. Yeah, ten
minutes of nine people are on the pike heading west
to the Berkshires. Theeople are heading north to New Hampshire,
Vermont and Maine. They're heading south to New York Walk
to uh and of course to the Cape. Yes, how's
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it look out there right now?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's a nice night.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I mean, it is a pretty nice night out there.
You know, it's really not too bad getting out to
the Berkshires, which you know, I do love the berk
Shares out there. It's really sweet out there, a very
beautiful area. Especially you have tangle wood, all sorts of
great stuff out there. You know, it's it's pretty good
right now getting down to the Cape too. But you know,
I do have a couple of things to talk about
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with the Cape. You know, everybody knows the Sagamore and
the Born bridges are always rough to get over, you know,
getting over those bridges. But right now it does look
pretty good. But the thing about the Born and the
and the the Sagamore Bridge, we did have a thing
many years ago. Now, the Sagamore got that update with
the flyover that was supposed to cut down the trip
over the Sagamore Bridge, and I think it's done a
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pretty good job.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Dan Uh, Okay, you know I go to the Cape.
I go to the Cape pretty often. As a matter
of fact, next hour I'm gonna talk about is it
interesting piece in the Globe today, since you're a traffic guy. Yeah,
it was written by a fellow I don't know him,
and we invited him to join us as schedule would
and permitted. Billy Baker, who's on the Globe staff is
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Cape cod Worth. The miserable traffic and the subheadline was
even after four sublime days in Chatham and on Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Chatham and Nantucket. I mean, that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
A Globe writer isn't all that sure, So we'll have
some we'll have.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Some fun with that, absolutely, that's sure.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
And of course there will be some repairs done on
both the Born and the Sagamore.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's exactly right. There's a couple of projects coming up
to do some major repairs on the Bourn Bridge and
the Sagamore Bridge, and they're going to do replacements pretty much,
I think, building right next to those bridges so that
folks will be able to get over the bridges and
onto the cape, so that they can still experience the
beautiful beaches while not being disrupted there. I mean, you
will get that disruption of course with the traffic, you know,
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with these repairs and stuff with the construction. But you know,
right now we are seeing too, you know, I think
the patterns have changed a little bit as well, at
least done from what I've been told, because of people
working remotely as well. So we're seeing people. The busiest
days of being Thursday actually with folks getting down there,
and then Fridays too, you know, we have our the
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late mornings early afternoons are very busy with folks you know,
getting there. And then something too is is Saturdays. You
know a lot of time that's the changeovers for for
rentals that people have on Cape, so people have that
that to count for as well. So best thing really
to do actually is flip on BZ and we'll have
a traffic report for you every ten minutes and then
we'll be able to get you where you need to
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go getting on and off Cape and also getting out
and around the rest of great New England states, you know,
like New England, New Hampshire. Like you said, we have
folks getting up there, and some great beaches out there too,
and some beaches out in Rhode Island too as folks
head down. So yeah, we will be here to help
you out get get where you need to go.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And notice, by the way, folks how Zach slipped that
promo in there. I mean, that was very professionally done, Zeal.
Thank you very professionally. I think call one thing you said,
I just want to make sure I understand that.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Sure. So when they do the replacements for.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The Sagamore and the Bourne, Yes, they're going to actually
build new bridges and then eventually take down the old bridges.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Is that the plan.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's not like they're going to turn uh, you know,
the the current bridges, just repair the current bridges and
maybe for a while have only one lane of traffic
going in each direction, and there's two lanes of traffic
in each direction. Now they're actually going to build separate
bridges over a period of time.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
I think they were doing something similar to what was
done in New York with the with the Cuomo Bridge
when they redid that where they built it old tap
and z Yes, were they built right next to the
bridge exactly?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Wow, Okay, well that'll be good because the only problem
there will be all the people who will will slow down.
It's like the problem when when there's an automobile accident.
I love it that, you know, the people slow down.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Oh my goodness, the car look at that. Mabel, look
at the car. There's a boys car there. Slow down.
I know it's on the other side, but they got
the blue lights on. Whoa look at Oh that was horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And people are behind them honked and get going you know, yeah,
you know they'll be going over the bridges.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Let me see. Let me slow down here and see how.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Much Yeah, let me see how much progress it has
been done. Let me see what they've been doing about.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And Mabel, can you take a couple of pictures out
the window.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I know you don't know how to work the cell phone,
but just give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Oh no, you drop the cell phone up? We got.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh yeah, exactly exactly. You know, it's just it's just amazing.
So so the commute, uh tomorrow morning, yes, Saturday morning,
is that gonna be the tough commute?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah, Saturday morning is always bad because that's when, like
I said, those rental health companies do the changeover for
checking and check out. But you also have people who,
you know, they wait till the last min They're like,
I don't know, do I want to pack the car?
Do I put the chairs?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And we do?
Speaker 5 (37:05):
We have enough time for one more beach Session's right, yeah.
And then also people coming you know, down if they're
if they're going for a long trip, you know, and
they're coming let's say they're coming in from from Natick
or something I don't know, coming in, you know, they
want to go in. There's always trouble at the brain
Tree split. Right, there's traffic down there by that lane
drop in in Weymouth there because people at Derby Stream.
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No one knows how to efficiently merge in there. So
there's always these like trouble spots that you look for.
You look on you know, ninety five as you get
down there's a couple of different ways that folks can
get down there coming in from from Western mass you know,
and there's signs all over the place. Again, like I said,
BEZ will help you out, but a couple of those
trouble spots to really look out for the brain Tree Split.
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And then again basically if you're I don't know, like
if you're if you have if you're having trouble about
where you want to decide where you want to go,
and you're coming in from four ninety five, you have
a quick second to make a decision at forty four
if you want to take the sagamore or if you
want to take the born, and so if you stay
on forty four, you'll be able to take the sagamore
and avoid the born rotary, which I would always do.
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I like avoiding the rotary because I don't know rotaries.
I don't know. It gets me because you get in there,
you're like, oh is it my turn? I don't know.
You think it's return And then there's someone who comes
in at the last set.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So the key, the key to are you from New England?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Originally I am not from New England.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, here's the key, Zach.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm going to tell you right now as you go
into the rotary. The worst thing you can do is
slow down. The second worst thing you can do is
look to your left, because once they lock eyes on you,
just go full speed ahead. Doesn't matter. They'll get out
of you. It works every time. I'm only joking. I'm
only joking. You have to be very careful, absolutely very.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Very careful, very very careful, and always follow the signs.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Hey, Zach, I appreciate it very very much. Thank you
so much for joining us, and we'll talk again.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
You're luck absolutely, thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
All Right, when we get back, we're going to carry
the whole topic of the Cape traffic. Bill Baker Billy
Baker in the Boston Globe Today wrote a piece, is
Cape card worth the miserable traffic? I'll explain the piece.
I disagree, mister Baker. I really do wish we could
have had you on tonight, but I want to hear
from you, particularly if you're in the car and if
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you're heading to the Cape.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Of course, the Cape is worth it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And I will make the argument and win the argument
because no one else is going to argue against me
on this one. We're coming back right after the nine
o'clock news
It's nice, Dan ray I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Madison Rogers, and I hope you have a
great weekend and a couple of days off. I know
I'm looking forward to the weekend. It is Friday night,
June twenty seventh.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We are a mayor.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What's it four days now, less than four days, three
plus days away from July. We're almost halfway through the year.
My name is Dan raym the host of Night's One.
I'm heard every Monday through Friday night right here on WBZ,
Boston's news radio. And as I mentioned last night, and
I said, we'll always mention, Rob Brooks is back in
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(00:41):
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Speaker 3 (02:03):
But the first one.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think all of us understand, and that is as
we travel this summer, or as we travel anywhere anytime
during the year, we're going to learn. Now, what are
the germiest places. I'm not talking about countries. I'm talking
about the germiest locations on you travel itinerary that you
can be exposed to with us as Derek OLIVERA he
(02:26):
is a global consultant with ISA or ISASA. I have
been trying to figure out what the ACRONYMSA stands for. So, Derek,
you work for the company. I assume you know what
it is. What does ISSA stand for? And welcome to
Night's side?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Hey getting me? Then thanks for having me. So I
has to say stands for the International Sanitation Supply Association.
So we are the world's largest association when it comes
to janitorial and healthkeeping.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
All right, well that's great. So you are an expert
here and you folks, I guess have figured out the
germiest places that people will encounter while they're traveling. And
they're not the places that most of us might think of.
The places that are the germyst give us a let's
walk through them, because some of them have surprised me,
(03:19):
really surprised me.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Go right ahead, so I can give you four of each. Well,
if we're talking about the airport in transit would whether
it be planes, trains or buses. And at the hotel, sure,
so the first one would be the security events, right,
So or we all put our personal belongings before we
pass through those metal detectors. So those bens, thousands of tens,
that's those bins daily and the studies have shown that
(03:41):
they carry more viruses than airport toilets. And we have
rarely going on.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Do you want to headset by the way or no?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, I'm on my phone.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, good, okay, because I want to make sure I'm
not talking all of you. I didn't understand when you
say security events, you're talking about the we call t
SA and you put your bag on the uh.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Exactly, those those gray bins.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, oh, the gray bins. Oh the grape that you
put your bag in and then it moves through. Oh
why why are they so good?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Before going in? Of hands touched those daily and they
never clean them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They never cleaned them. Oh my, very rare.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's that's that's one I would not have thought of.
Good one, God, what can you do? We're gloves or
or what's.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Wash your hands after manipulating them?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Good? Good point, good point. Okay, So that's one.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What else we got We got the touch screens so
check in kiosks and gates, So again, rarely disinfected and
yet heavily used by travelers.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, good point.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Airports, seating armors, the cloth seats, the obviously limited cleaning
and perfect spotf for terms to thrive. And then the
fourth one at the airport would be the water fountain.
So everyone touches them, but very few people clean them.
And obviously they're obviously in damp environments, which is great
for turns and bacteria to grow.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Where the troops are having a ball at the airport.
What about on planes itself? What about they don't clean
the seats on planes? The plane lands, people get off,
everybody wants to get on and.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
As quickly as possible. What about planes?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So that's a great point, right, So obviously we've been
to the airport before and we see that you know,
we're waiting for our plane. Our plane arrives at the gate.
You know there there's fifteen minutes interval for those that
you know that incoming flight to disembark, and then fifteen
minutes for us to embark. And we know that they're
not doing a great job cleaning their planes, and that
fifteen minutes. So we have the trade tables. So one
of the dirtiest surfaces on the plane obviously used for
(05:42):
eating resting heads. You know, changing diapers. Oh so not
that the cleanest placed on a plane. Yeah, absolutely, I've
seen it all. Seat belt seat belts are very very
clean between flights. Yeah, overhead air vents and the light
buttons right, what we call for the stewards, that button
that we're pressing, not great, not cleaned very often. And
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then bathroom handles right, the door handles, the flush buttons
highly touched, poor event poorly ventilated and often clean quickly
between uses.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, you know all of these things, if you think
about them, they're they're exactly what we should think about.
But I got to be honest with you. All the
flights have taken I've never brought with me. I think
I want to bring hand sanitizers with me, or maybe
some clean wipes.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I don't want to sound crazy, But so you've got
a few other places also, elevator buttons, elevator buttons so.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, so at the hotel, absolutely, elevator mountains, the TV
remote control right, rarely sanitized, but every guest touches them. Yeah,
light switches, high contact services that can harbor bacterial for days.
Everyone's touching those bedspreads and decorative pillows. I don't know
if you guys have seen, but Vegas right now is
going through a pandemic with bed bugs. So bedspread fits
(06:58):
right into their washed fairly frequently than sheets and pillowcases.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Boy, I'll tell you this is something I had never
thought of, and it's going to change my attitude towards traveling.
As a matter fait, I'm probably not gonna want to
travel anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Traveling has become very much less fun than it used
to be. I mean, now the gates are always a
half a mile away. It's not that I'm getting any younger,
but the people, the crowds, everybody gets up, the travelers. Now,
when the plane pulls into the gate, everybody jumps up.
(07:34):
It's like nobody's gonna move for ten minutes. They won't
even open the door, but everybody's standing there. They're trying
to pull their over bags down. They're bopping their neighbors
with their bags. I mean, it's have you noticed howl
ear travel has become bus travel?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's my thought. Are you are you with me on
that or no?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah? So I obviously for my job, I travel a lot.
And the thing that I hate the most is actually
get into the airport and get on the plane. It's
I think people have lost their common sense and it's
it's become a jungle out there.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So what do you do, Derek? You must have some tricks?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Do you do? You bring wipes with you, handy wipes
or something. What do you do?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So, so here's my travel tip, right, so Kerry, disinfectant
wipes or hand sanitizer, minimum sixty percent alcohol and wash
you wash your hands frequently, especially before eating or touching
your face.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Big go.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
If we had the discipline to follow those rules, your suggestions,
not rules, we would probably be more healthy at the
end of our trips because we don't think about this.
We really don't think about this. So Vegas now has
bed bugs?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's it's common knowledge. I've
read a lot of articles in the last couple of
days that a lot of major hotel chains are suffering
now with a large bug infestation.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, the Chamber of Commerce must love that, huh. I
mean it makes sense. It makes all the sense in
the world. It makes all the sense in the world
when you think about it. Wow, Derek, this this was
great your organization. If folks would like to get in touch.
You know folks who will come on the show generally
they're plug in a book or they're plugging an organization.
(09:23):
Who would be in my audience who could avail themselves
of the services of ISSA.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I mean, anyone that has any commercial real estate, you know,
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Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, talk to you again. We get back on to
talk about a bit of a dust up in Worcester.
The Worcester Zoning Board has rejected the construction of a
seventy five foot digital billboard that neighbors opposed. So they
say you can't fight city hall. Well, this group of
neighbors apparently did fight, or at least they they went
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to city Hall and they won. We're going to talk
with Afton Pratt. She's the municipal government reporter for the
Worcester Telegram and Gazette, a great newspaper. Will be back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio Porright.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Welcome back with us is Afton Pratt works as a
municipal government reporter for Worcester City for Worcester Telegram and Gazette.
After I assume that means you're a city hall reporter,
right Dan.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
I mostly cover city council and other city hall matters,
So yeah, that's what I'm doing for the Telegram. Right now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Okay, it sounds fancy when it's municipal government reporter, but
I'm thinking of the old city hall reporter. That's the Beat. Okay,
so we're gonna talk about a Worcester zone. How long
you've been with these telegramm the TNG, as we say.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Uh, today marks three weeks actually, so pretty new to
the Beat and the Telegram.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Welcome three weeks and you're already on night side in
the capital city.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
This is great. Where where did you work before Worster?
Sure if I could ask?
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Well, I actually just graduated from grad school. I just
got my master's in journalism, so I've been living in
Tennessee for the past five years, but I'm from Massachusetts.
So it's great to be back in a great tee,
back in an area I love so much.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh that's great. So I'm always curious how people get
into business. Will pardon me for asking, but would you
get the graduate degree?
Speaker 8 (12:23):
I got it from the University of Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So you're a volunteer, right, well they called the vaults.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Yes, I am a huge Tennessee volunteer fan for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Wow, Peyton Manning's neck of the woods right, Yes, saw
I'm on campus a few times walking to.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Class, which is a pretty surreal experience.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
All right, so tell us about this. There was a
company that wanted to put up a seventy five foot
digital billboard which they were going to have I guess
it was going to basically be seventy feet high so
it could be seen by people with it on two
ninety when the Master and.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Park it was on to ninety I believe it was. Yeah,
it was being placed right along a neighborhood that ran
alongside the highway, which is why there was such an
outcry from residents about it. You know, didn't want to
have to see the digital billboard from their windows when
they're trying to sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, so that's that is a big story for that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The neighborhood in question that doesn't have it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know sometimes there's like little sub sections of communities.
It's part of Worcester. But was there a neighborhood name associated.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
With it or no?
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Yeah, what I went out. They also they're in the
Indian Lake community and lived alongside the lake. A lot
of them had property on the lake, which was another
huge issue. Was you know, wanting to be out on
the water and having this huge billboard from the lake
that they could see, and you know, they didn't want
that in their neighborhood. Didn't want to see it when
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they were trying to just enjoy a day out on
Indian Lake.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, sometimes these things happen all of a sudden, quietly,
and people wake up one day and realize, what's this.
Someone must have figured out there was something coming into
the neighborhood. What's the backstory if you can share that
with us.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
Yeah, I heard about it from a Facebook post actually
made by a member of the community. So I went
out there and talked to him and he put me
in touch with some other people and who were featured
in the article as well, But they said the same
thing that they only had heard about it about a
week prior to when the zoning Board of Appeals was
having their meeting to decide whether to put it up.
So it was a pretty quick turnaround time. It was
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not advertised well, a lot of people in the neighborhood
didn't know about it, and then a few community members
went out and spoke to people on the street and
let them know what was happening. And you know, that's
when people started getting upset about it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I've never heard of this outdoor advertising companies called
Ken Joe K. Does that have a footprint in the
central Massachusetts area. Is that a fairly big outdoor advertising company.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
No, this would have been their first billboard in Massachusetts
at all. I believe they were operating in other states.
They're an established company, but they don't have any billboards
or any property in Massachusetts. It would have been their
first one.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So these residents were able to take the fight to
city hall. Does this look as if it's over or
is Ken Joe threatening to try to go into court
and overturn the ruling from the zoning board since the
end of the story essentially is what I'm asking here.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
From what I saw from Kenjo at the meeting, I'm
not sure if they'll appeal it. The zoning board gave
them the option to withdraw the permit before they took
a formal vote, and they chose not to, and then
the zoning board took the formal vote. Everybody voted, know,
so it's possible that they could go back and try
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to have it overturned, but I'm not sure currently if
that will be what they end up doing, or if
this is a done deal for them.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, they could have withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It without prejudice, which would have given an automatic chance
to go back.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I assume that that was the incentive.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That might have been offered. Does the zoning board feel
that this particular area is a residential area and a
commercial enterprise like this is something that their vote will
will withstand, you know again.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Review judicial review.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Outdoor advertising company, when they were talking to the zoning board,
they said one of the reasons they wanted to put
that billboard there was because Wooster has pretty strict zoning
laws on where billboards can and cannot go, and this
was essentially one of the only areas in the city
where it would have been allowed. But yeah, the zoning
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board and residents felt adamant that this shouldn't be the
zoning laws in this area shouldn't allow for that, and
the chairman of the zoning board, you know, let people
know that this is something that could possibly changed if
it goes through city council and everything, But right now,
the zoning laws do allow for billboards to be there.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So did the zoning or rather, did the billboard company
go to residence and offer any mitigation.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To them or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Was there any hey, if you do this, we'll make
sure that the streets are plowed properly. Or was it
just simply let's give it our best shot and see
if we can get it past the zoning board.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
I didn't hear anything along those lines. I believe they
said they talked to some residents. All the residents who
showed up at the zoning board meeting said they hadn't
been spoken to. It was new news to them. They
hadn't been reached out to by the advertising company. So
from what I gather, they hadn't really done anything in
the neighborhood to try to get people on board with this.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't know the answer to this, but I assumed
that they would have been obligated to have given notice
to at least the abutters, to the to the area
that they were going to erect this billboard. So I mean,
you just kind of go in and not tell people
what's going on. You have to give them some notice
and have to hopefully publicize it a little bit ahead
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of time. But it sounds to me like the homeowners
have won, and hey, I wouldn't want it in my backyard.
I certainly don't understand why anyone would want it in
their backyard either. So uh, welcome to, welcome to, Welcome
home to Massachusetts often, and hopefully we'll get a chance
to do some more of these stories, because these are
the best stories. They're they're they're close. I've done these
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stories as a TV reporter many years ago, and they're
they're close to poll It's it's it's just it's that
you really can get it as a reporter, really get
the story behind the story, and that's what makes us
so exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So thanks very much for this story. I enjoyed talking
with him. We'll talk again, yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Of course, and thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You're welcome. You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
When we get back, we're going to talk about restaurants,
specifically noisy restaurants. We'll explain right after the news at
the bottom of the air. I'm about a minute or
so late, but we'll get We'll can't kill it up,
I promise. We have two more guests, and then we
go to our topics of the night coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Thank you, Madison.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
We're going to talk about restaurants and the clamor that
apparently now is in too many restaurants in America. With
us is Chris Burdick. Chris has written a book called Clamor,
How Noise took Over the World and How We Can
Take It Back. He's a science journalist, former staff editor
at The Atlantic and Mother Jones.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Chris, Welcome to Night Side.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
How are you, sir, I'm great, Dan, Thanks for having
me here.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You're very welcome. When did this book come out? Is
this recent?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, it just came out in May.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Good. That's great. Well, it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Some I don't care if a book is five years
old or five weeks old. I think it's important, and
particularly when it's new. And frankly, I sometimes a lot
of the questions I ask during these interviews, As you know,
there's no script of questions here. So let's start off
with the book is How Noise took Over the World
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and How we Can Take it Back. But it looks
to me like the piece we're doing here is an
opinion piece on how restaurants got so noisy. Explain to
me we're kind of drilling down here. If we're going
to focus on restaurants, tell us about it.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Sure, well, you know, the book is focusing on how
noise took over the world, and there are two parts
of that. One is just more and more people. It's
just math, you know, more people were living closer together,
using more and more noise, producing stuff, more roads, more airplanes.
But we've compounded that by what I call sonic shortsightedness.
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And that's where things like restaurant noise come into play.
Where we've made choices when we design our buildings and
when we plan our restaurants, when we build our cities
that have just been not aware about the noise that
we're going to create. So with restaurants, this was in
the nineties a decision or a number of decisions to
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follow a trend to take all the upholstery out, to
take all the sound absorbing carpeting and drapes. Everything is
a hard surface, so that makes the sound just bounce
around endlessly. And then another decision was to bring the
kitchens out from behind the walls and put them in
the middle of everybody. And then another one was to
increase the energy by cranking up the the music.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So well, you were you're absolutely right, But wasn't that
just those were the trends of the day. I mean,
I knew that. I knew a restaurant where all of
a sudden, there was like an open pit in the
middle of the restaurant and you looked at it, and
when you went there the first time, you thought, wow,
that's pretty cool. It's interesting. You watch the chefs, you
see them cook all of that. But the other thing is, look,
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I can remember my favorite restaurants from like the seventies,
when I was just coming of age and I had
enough money that I could actually go to a nice
restaurant or take someone to a nice restaurant, and you'd
have carpeting and they'd be drapes, and you just felt
it almost felt like home. And then all of a sudden,
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like in the nineties, it seemed all of those great
restaurants disappeared, and we ended up with a lot of
restaurants that have good food. Don't get me wrong, but
you know again, you're right, it's all plastic. Tables are
on linoleum floors, and whenever someone moved the chair, you
could hear the squeak of the chair and the ceilings.
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You're yeah, but I just viewed it, and I watched it,
but I just thought, well, this was the new trend,
and whoever was all change for the sake of change?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Unless if I'm totally wrong, please tell.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Me no, you're right. I mean, it was the trend,
and you know, it was just a matter of when
people were doing this, they didn't have the wherewithal or
the thought to It's easy to understand kind of the
drama of having the kitchen in the middle of the place.
That's cool. To have the look of a you know,
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fifteen foot window with you know, the exposed ceiling. All
of that is kind of intuitive. You can draw that
out an artistic architectural rendering that makes intuitive sense. But
to kind of understand what that's going to sound like
when you have five hundred people in there eating and
you've you've cranked up that music that everybody loves, and
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then what happens is called the Lombard effect, which is
kind of this automatic thing that we do when things
get loud, we start raising our voice to get over that,
you know, and then that just that adds to allowed.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Me, well, everybody, Yeah, if you're at a Celtics basketball
game or a Bruins hockey game. It's not a library,
and you you're sitting next to somebody and talking about
it and wats that play over there. Everybody's raising their voices, so,
you know, But you go to a restaurant not because
you want to be in a hockey game or a
basketball game or a baseball game. You go because you
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want to be able to talk to the other person
across the table or on you know, if you've got
four people at a table, that there can be a
conversation that everyone can hear, and if they if you
do have music or whatever, I find for example, Uh,
the worst places that I go to a gym and
the music that that is picked, there's no there's no
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music as far as I'm concerned, other than disco that
everybody's gonna like. But I'm told, young people, don't, you know,
give me Donna summers all day long, you know. And
but but someone else is going to want to, you know,
want other other type music.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And it's always loud. It's always loud.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So I got my earplugs and I'm trying to watch
TV and listen to TV and all, you.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Know, all all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But restaurants, do you think at some point.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Some restaurants. There's a restaurant outside of you. You you're
not from our area, correct, Chris, where are you located?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
No, I'm from Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm local.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I mean, okay, so let.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Me mention it Ken Steakhouse on Route nine in framing him.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Okay, that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, it's a great restaurant. Uh, it hasn't changed. Uh
in a long time. The men used the same I
remember the great restaurants in Boston from the seventies, the
eighties and the nineties, Anthony's and Jimmy's down in the waterfront. Now,
obviously they change the seaport and and and the value
of the land. The land became more valuable than the restaurant.
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But there were great restaurants that just disappear. And sometimes
my feeling is, why is it that always it seems
to be the best restaurants are the ones that disappear first.
The lousy restaurants that are rip offs for some reason,
they stay in business.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's one of my pet peeves. Have you noticed that
or or am I just cranky?
Speaker 6 (26:28):
I don't know. Yeah, you know, it's a it's a
tough business, and I think a lot of them. Uh,
you know, it's hard for anybody to hold on in
that in that in that business. So I don't know,
I haven't noticed that particular trend.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, it seems to me that the restaurants that I
like the best are the ones that go out of business.
Uh And and generally, what I'm looking for is exactly
what you're talking about. A place where you can go
and there's enough space between the tables. You pay maybe
a little extra, but there's enough space. They're not cramming
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you in so that every time you move your chair
you're bumping into the person at the next table, who.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You have no idea who they are. That's another thing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They crowd more people into the room, which has to
contribute to the noise level as well.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah, it sure does, because then you're getting the cross talk,
and that's one of the hardest thing. It's not just
the decibel level, it's also the number of voices that
you're trying to contend with because your brain has to
sit through that to kind of focus on the voice
that you want to hear. So that is an extra challenge.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The corollary of that is you're on the airplane, and
the plane has yet to take off. And the guy
who's sitting next to you across the aisle, he has
to have his he has to make his final phone call.
He context or anything like that, but he has to
make his final phone call, and he has to impress
upon as many people as he can.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now, you know, I want to get this thing done
before six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So I want you, guys by tomline Land, where are
we going? Oh yeah, in Toronto, that this thing better
be on my jest. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And you realize that the guy's probably not talking to anybody,
He's just making making himself themselves sounds important. And I
look at those guys and like, really really anyway, But
that that that comes down to the ignorance quot that
I think more and more people are allowing to invade
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their their their their personal space. Chris, let's hope for
better and more quiet uh and and just better restaurants,
better dining experiences, and yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
From from your lips to God's ears.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Then all right, now, look, let's let's plug the book again.
Clamor How Noise took over the World and how we
can take it back. That's available. I assume Amazon, do
you have a website people can go to Chris, let's
sell some books here, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Oh yeah, sure, it is available anywhere books are sold.
But a one stop shop if you want to have
your pick is at www dot Chris Burdick dot com.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And Burdick is b E R D I K.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And by the way, as I tell everyone that www thing,
that's so nineties. We don't need that anymore. Just Chris
Berdick dot com. Keep it simple, okay, Chris, I enjoyed
the conversation. You're you're selling, you're selling. We'd get along. Thanks, Thanks,
my friend. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Okay, thank Manright, good night, we get back.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
We're going to have a special extended summer traffic report
for all of you. I know many of you out
right now are heading to the Cape. We're going to
talk about next hour. There's an interesting piece in the
Globe today written by a guy named Billy Baker who's
on the Globe staff. The headline is Cape cod Worth
the miserable traffic. You bet it is, Billy. We'll we'll
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talk about that and we'll get a traffic update from
one of the most aptly named traffic reporters in the
history of traffic reporting. Zach Transport coming up, and then
later on tonight we'll talk about the Supreme Court decians
and at eleven tonight, I'm looking for some positive stories
(30:06):
at that's our twentieth hour. I want to know something
that might have happened to you this week where someone
helped you. I have a story to tell where a
guy helped me last Sunday night. I'll explain that some
of you have heard it already, but it was an
extraordinary It was almost as if my guardian angel was
on my shoulder that night. And I'm sure you've had
(30:27):
some similar experiences. So we're gonna have a lot of
fun right now between now and midnight. Stick with us.
My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Rob Brooks is here.
When you call, the first person you talk to is
Rob Brooks. Second person tonight you'll be talking to is me.
Because we have no guests lined up tonight, it's you,
me and Rob Brooks and tens of thousands of people
(30:48):
listening to us. Don't be intimidating back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
If you're on night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w BZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right, let's get right to I guess the aptly
named Zach Transport, WBC traffic reporter. Zach, When did you
change your last name to Transport?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Hey, Dan, how you doing? No, I'm good, I'm good.
You know, my last name has always been Transport. Surprisingly,
you know, with my family name, we've had it. I
believe I was told by my family. We've had it
since they came over on Ellis Islands, so we've had
it forever. And it was that before we came over
there too, so there was no changeover as well. So
that is the original name. I am Zach Transport. I
am a traffic reporter and that's what I do every
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single day, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I heard that you changed your last name to Transport
and your last name was Storo drive.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That I think that might be an ugly rumor. Dan, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right, So let's let's take a quick look at
how we're doing tonight. This is Friday night. Yeah, ten
minutes of nine people are on the pike heading west
to the Berkshires. Theeople are heading north to New Hampshire,
Vermont and Maine. They're heading south to New York Walk
to uh and of course to the Cape. Yes, how's
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it look out there right now?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's a nice night.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I mean, it is a pretty nice night out there.
You know, it's really not too bad getting out to
the Berkshires, which you know, I do love the berk
Shares out there. It's really sweet out there, a very
beautiful area. Especially you have tangle wood, all sorts of
great stuff out there. You know, it's it's pretty good
right now getting down to the Cape too. But you know,
I do have a couple of things to talk about
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with the Cape. You know, everybody knows the Sagamore and
the Born bridges are always rough to get over, you know,
getting over those bridges. But right now it does look
pretty good. But the thing about the Born and the
and the the Sagamore Bridge, we did have a thing
many years ago. Now, the Sagamore got that update with
the flyover that was supposed to cut down the trip
over the Sagamore Bridge, and I think it's done a
(32:49):
pretty good job.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Dan Uh, Okay, you know I go to the Cape.
I go to the Cape pretty often. As a matter
of fact, next hour I'm gonna talk about is it
interesting piece in the Globe today, since you're a traffic guy. Yeah,
it was written by a fellow I don't know him,
and we invited him to join us as schedule would
and permitted. Billy Baker, who's on the Globe staff is
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Cape cod Worth. The miserable traffic and the subheadline was
even after four sublime days in Chatham and on Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Chatham and Nantucket. I mean, that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
A Globe writer isn't all that sure, So we'll have
some we'll have.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Some fun with that, absolutely, that's sure.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
And of course there will be some repairs done on
both the Born and the Sagamore.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
That's exactly right. There's a couple of projects coming up
to do some major repairs on the Bourn Bridge and
the Sagamore Bridge, and they're going to do replacements pretty much,
I think, building right next to those bridges so that
folks will be able to get over the bridges and
onto the cape, so that they can still experience the
beautiful beaches while not being disrupted there. I mean, you
will get that disruption of course with the traffic, you know,
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with these repairs and stuff with the construction. But you know,
right now we are seeing too, you know, I think
the patterns have changed a little bit as well, at
least done from what I've been told, because of people
working remotely as well. So we're seeing people. The busiest
days of being Thursday actually with folks getting down there,
and then Fridays too, you know, we have our the
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late mornings early afternoons are very busy with folks you know,
getting there. And then something too is is Saturdays. You
know a lot of time that's the changeovers for for
rentals that people have on Cape, so people have that
that to count for as well. So best thing really
to do actually is flip on BZ and we'll have
a traffic report for you every ten minutes and then
we'll be able to get you where you need to
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go getting on and off Cape and also getting out
and around the rest of great New England states, you know,
like New England, New Hampshire. Like you said, we have
folks getting up there, and some great beaches out there too,
and some beaches out in Rhode Island too as folks
head down. So yeah, we will be here to help
you out get get where you need to go.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And notice, by the way, folks how Zach slipped that
promo in there. I mean, that was very professionally done, Zeal.
Thank you very professionally. I think call one thing you said,
I just want to make sure I understand that.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Sure. So when they do the replacements for.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The Sagamore and the Bourne, Yes, they're going to actually
build new bridges and then eventually take down the old bridges.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Is that the plan.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's not like they're going to turn uh, you know,
the the current bridges, just repair the current bridges and
maybe for a while have only one lane of traffic
going in each direction, and there's two lanes of traffic
in each direction. Now they're actually going to build separate
bridges over a period of time.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
I think they were doing something similar to what was
done in New York with the with the Cuomo Bridge
when they redid that where they built it old tap
and z Yes, were they built right next to the
bridge exactly?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Wow, Okay, well that'll be good because the only problem
there will be all the people who will will slow down.
It's like the problem when when there's an automobile accident.
I love it that, you know, the people slow down.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Oh my goodness, the car look at that. Mabel, look
at the car. There's a boys car there. Slow down.
I know it's on the other side, but they got
the blue lights on. Whoa look at Oh that was horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And people are behind them honked and get going you know, yeah,
you know they'll be going over the bridges.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Let me see. Let me slow down here and see how.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Much Yeah, let me see how much progress it has
been done. Let me see what they've been doing about.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And Mabel, can you take a couple of pictures out
the window.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I know you don't know how to work the cell phone,
but just give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Oh no, you drop the cell phone up? We got.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh yeah, exactly exactly. You know, it's just it's just amazing.
So so the commute, uh tomorrow morning, yes, Saturday morning,
is that gonna be the tough commute?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah, Saturday morning is always bad because that's when, like
I said, those rental health companies do the changeover for
checking and check out. But you also have people who,
you know, they wait till the last min They're like,
I don't know, do I want to pack the car?
Do I put the chairs?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And we do?
Speaker 5 (37:05):
We have enough time for one more beach Session's right, yeah.
And then also people coming you know, down if they're
if they're going for a long trip, you know, and
they're coming let's say they're coming in from from Natick
or something I don't know, coming in, you know, they
want to go in. There's always trouble at the brain
Tree split. Right, there's traffic down there by that lane
drop in in Weymouth there because people at Derby Stream.
(37:29):
No one knows how to efficiently merge in there. So
there's always these like trouble spots that you look for.
You look on you know, ninety five as you get
down there's a couple of different ways that folks can
get down there coming in from from Western mass you know,
and there's signs all over the place. Again, like I said,
BEZ will help you out, but a couple of those
trouble spots to really look out for the brain Tree Split.
(37:49):
And then again basically if you're I don't know, like
if you're if you have if you're having trouble about
where you want to decide where you want to go,
and you're coming in from four ninety five, you have
a quick second to make a decision at forty four
if you want to take the sagamore or if you
want to take the born, and so if you stay
on forty four, you'll be able to take the sagamore
and avoid the born rotary, which I would always do.
(38:11):
I like avoiding the rotary because I don't know rotaries.
I don't know. It gets me because you get in there,
you're like, oh is it my turn? I don't know.
You think it's return And then there's someone who comes
in at the last set.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So the key, the key to are you from New England?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Originally I am not from New England.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, here's the key, Zach.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm going to tell you right now as you go
into the rotary. The worst thing you can do is
slow down. The second worst thing you can do is
look to your left, because once they lock eyes on you,
just go full speed ahead. Doesn't matter. They'll get out
of you. It works every time. I'm only joking. I'm
only joking. You have to be very careful, absolutely very.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Very careful, very very careful, and always follow the signs.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Hey, Zach, I appreciate it very very much. Thank you
so much for joining us, and we'll talk again.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
You're luck absolutely, thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
All Right, when we get back, we're going to carry
the whole topic of the Cape traffic. Bill Baker Billy
Baker in the Boston Globe Today wrote a piece, is
Cape card worth the miserable traffic? I'll explain the piece.
I disagree, mister Baker. I really do wish we could
have had you on tonight, but I want to hear
from you, particularly if you're in the car and if
(39:24):
you're heading to the Cape.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Of course, the Cape is worth it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And I will make the argument and win the argument
because no one else is going to argue against me
on this one. We're coming back right after the nine
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