July 21, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Massachusetts Once Again Ranks Among Worst States for Cost of Doing Business. Chris Anderson - president of the Massachusetts High Technology Council – which co-organized the MA Opportunity Alliance stopped by.
Nonantum Neighborhood in Newton paints Italian flag road lines over yellow lines in time for St. Mary of Carmen Society Festival! With Terry Sauro – President of the Nonantum Neighborhood Association.
Gen Z has regrets: 1 in 4 say they wish they hadn’t gone to college or would’ve picked a higher-paying industry. Paul Peters - business owner, bestselling author and host of the podcast On Purpose with Paul Peters discussed it with Dan.
What is chronic venous insufficiency, the condition diagnosed in President Trump’s legs? Shivani Kumar, MD, Vascular Surgeon at Tufts Medical Center checked in.
Massachusetts Once Again Ranks Among Worst States for Cost of Doing Business. Chris Anderson - president of the Massachusetts High Technology Council – which co-organized the MA Opportunity Alliance stopped by.
Nonantum Neighborhood in Newton paints Italian flag road lines over yellow lines in time for St. Mary of Carmen Society Festival! With Terry Sauro – President of the Nonantum Neighborhood Association.
Gen Z has regrets: 1 in 4 say they wish they hadn’t gone to college or would’ve picked a higher-paying industry. Paul Peters - business owner, bestselling author and host of the podcast On Purpose with Paul Peters discussed it with Dan.
What is chronic venous insufficiency, the condition diagnosed in President Trump’s legs? Shivani Kumar, MD, Vascular Surgeon at Tufts Medical Center checked in.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night's Eyes, Dan ray I'm goelling you Mazy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Madison, and good evening everyone. My name
is Dan rayam the host of Nightside. Rob Brooks, our producer,
is back in the control room at Broadcast Central. He
will take your phone calls beginning in the nine o'clock hour.
We've got some great guests coming up tonight and great topics.
At nine o'clock be talking with Dave Paley logus, extraordinary
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pollster for Suffolk University and also the Boston Globe. He
is the director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center,
and it's going to be interesting. We have the mayor's
race coming up here in Boston, and he has released
today a poll that also appeared not at the print
version of the Globe but online that shows Mayor wou
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with a commanding lead over her challenger, Josh Kraft. But
there's some good news for Craft in the poll as well,
and we will break the numbers down for you, along
with the expertise of Dave Paleologus at nine o'clock and
invite all of you to call in and talk about
the race as it has evolved. It still has more
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than a month to go, actually about a month and
a half go before the primary, and then of course
there will be the final election. There are four candidates,
two of whom are not considered serious challengers. We may
talk to them as well at some point between now
and the primary. But we'll get to that in detail
at nine o'clock. And then, has there anyone out there
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who has not heard about the cold Play couple who
were canoodling? How about that for some alliteration? Coldplay couple
caught cannodling at Gillette Stadium last week. Well, we are
going to talk with a very interesting columnist in his capacity,
a guy named Matt Gazda. Gazda, he's a columnist for Unheard,
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which is a great website you should be aware of,
and he basically raises some really serious questions. It is
about why is it that all of us seem to
really revel in the problems of other people who are
not really public figures until this all occurred at you'll
let Stadium. We'll get to all of that, but we're
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going to start off with Chris Anderson. Chris is with
an organization called the Massachusetts Opportunity Alliance. Chris Anderson. Welcome
back to Night's Side and explain the MOA. The Massachusetts
Opportunity Alliance is relatively new here at Massachusetts. Welcome back
to Nightside, Chris Dan.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Thanks for having me back. I always appreciate being on
and talking about these critical issues together. And just to recap,
the mass Opportunity Alliance was established a couple of years ago.
We actually went public a year ago by the mass
High Tech Council, the Pioneer Institute, and the Mass Competitive Partnership.
We're a cross organizational opportunity for many different restaurants, organizations,
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small businesses, some regional chambers, building out an organization that
really focuses on the long term competitiveness challenges and opportunities
for Massachusetts. So it becomes a focal point for unifying
the perspective of those that drive our private sector economy.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm just curious. The group obviously represents a wide variety
of employers. Is there any calculation as to how many
people those employers actually have on their workforce in Toto?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, the numbers are evolving. But if you think about
our small business economy, which are retailers, restaurants, and then
everybody in between, you've got a bulk of our backbone,
and you know, we've got large businesses and all different
types of research institutions that are part of this thing.
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But it's a pretty broad swath. And if we think
about people who live and work in Massachusetts and are
asked to vote on issues every couple of years, remember
sixty four percent of that voting population belonging to neither
political party. So many and many of them are working
in the economy and a combination of large employers, but
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a greater number in the small business community.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, so what we want to talk about tonight is
that CNBC actually looked at America's every one of the
fifty United States and basically rated them on a number
of things the economy, overall, infrastructure, workforce, cost of doing business,
which we're going to talk about with some specificity, business friendliness,
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quality of life, technology and innovation. And Massachusetts actually improved
their status overall and actually in a couple of areas
did very well. Quality of life, no out about that,
and technology and innovation were the fourth I think it's
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the fourth leading state, tied with the state of Washington
in the country. So the overall numbers were better but
you're looking at one that is of concern to you,
and that is simply the cost of doing business in Massachusetts.
We are second to last.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, and we've been second to last in the bottom
five for much of the history of the CNBC Top
States for Business Survey, which is now in its nineteenth year. Massachusetts,
just before COVID we were ranked fourteenth overall. We dropped
in twenty twenty two to twenty fourth in the country,
rebounded the next year to fifteen, dropped last year to
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thirty eight, and now we're bounced back up to twenty.
So there's a lot of movement there. The two think
about the two themes, Dan that really don't change much.
The challenges we have is the most costly, one of
the most costly states, run of business, and and the
lack of business friendly attitude here offset by the consistently
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strong performance in education, technology, and access to capital, which
obviously contribute to quality of life. So those are those
are two conflicting consistent scores, which is why we end
up bouncing around, you know, in that middle area. But
I just say that as good as it was to
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bounce back to twenty from number thirty eight, those really
those those low scores put us behind places like Alabama
and Nebraska overall, including South Carolina, and we're in the
midst of an out migration of workers. So we have
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some real uh calling card for us.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Christ put the out migration in context over some period
of time. I believe that just last month we low
either several hundred or a few thousand jobs out of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah. Well, in fact, we are losing jobs, not creating jobs,
or actually one of the few states that are reducing
our number of jobs in the United States two places
like Florida, California, and almost anybody that's looking for a
low cost, high quality of life is thinking about places
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like Tennessee now. So not only the.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Job has to be really tough on people who are
coming out of college and people who are trying to
start a career, maybe are now thinking about starting a
family and where are they going to put down roots.
I assume that older people who were here, they might
move with the downsize, but they're not necessarily leaving the
job force. If it's the young people who are leaving
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the job force, or am I missing.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Something, Well, they're leaving the Commonwealth and they're taking their
jobs in moving to other places or finding a job
in another place. So what we're doing is and we're
losing high end or high wealth retirees who find it
more cost effective to live in states that don't have
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an income tax and allows them to live and be
philanthropic in other parts of.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The state tax in many cases tennessee.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, and so the estate tax. So you think about, well,
you know, we have these incredibly rich data points that
CNBC does really good analysis on. We're actually having the
founder of CNBC's Top States come out in October. He's
visited a High Tech Council's annual meeting periodically. He'll be
back this October to talk in depth about the trends
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in Massachusetts in the study. But this is an opportunity
for those of us who are trying to strengthen and
regain growth and investment in Massachusetts over a an extended
period of time to use this information, raise awareness, awareness
among the folks that live and work in Massachusetts, including
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employers that are still committed here, to begin getting actively engaged,
proactively in what might be to direct democracy, or at
a minimum, becoming more aware of what these trends mean
to the things that individuals hold.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
We just kind of afford to lose, you know, more
young people who are who have been grown who've grown
up here, have been educated here to move to other states. Chris,
I'm a little crushed on time here. We'll do something
of greater length for sure, but we wanted to get
you on tonight and again ring ring the alarm here.
You're sort of a modern day Paul Revere. I appreciate
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you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
We'll be back look forward to it, you bet you.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Chris Anderson and the Massachusetts Opportunity Alliance and I think
they're pretty easy to find who's interested in getting involved
with them. We're going to visit one final time coming
up in the next segment, uh the No Nantum Street Fight,
if you will, on Adams Street, a very successful festival
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for five days in the Nantum section. And we're going
to be talking with the president of the Nantum Association,
President of the Nantum Neighborhood Association, Terry Sorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right after the break, it's Night Side with Dan Ray
on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We're delighted to be joined by Terry Sorrow. Terry is
the president of the Nantum Neighborhood Association, Terry, congratulations on
the Saint Mary of Carmen Society Festival. I'm told that
it was probably the best festival ever ever.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah. Now, of course there was a picture in the
in the newspapers today and I think even maybe one
on Sunday that somehow, some way that line that became
such a point of controversy when the mayor decided to
mill the red white green line which was emblematic of
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the flag of your beloved you know, ancestral homeland of Italy.
But you went out Saturday morning and the line was back.
What happened?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yes, I went out for my walk and I walked
down Adams Street at the top of Adams Street, and
I started walking and said, the line is here. And
the line went all the way down to probably the show.
And that was Saturday morning. And I assumed the line
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must have been painted during the night because it was
after the festa. Yea that I saw the line Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So is anyone taken credit for the line or is
this a mysterious activity? If you can mind drift, I'm
not looking for you to offer up any names here,
but you have some idea who might have done it
or no.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Well, there is an old Italian saying that Mina used
to say to me, and it goes something like this,
those who say they know don't know, those that know
don't say.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I'm guessing you're in the ladder of that category. Okay, okay.
We're also joined in the line on the line by
one of the members of your group, who's been very
helpful throughout this to me. We've covered this now, this
is our fourth night, but I think that I just
wanted to say thanks to friend Aiadi for all the
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work that he has done. Friend, this I believe, by
any measurement, was the most successful festival in the history
of the festival. Correct.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I was on there Sunday night and I was talking
to the organizers. I mean they sold out of everything, sausages,
t shirts that everybody was selling out of everything. It
was so busy, thanks to you and a lot of
the other media. We had people who've never even heard
an Orantum and they were showing up from all over
the state saying I didn't even know this place existed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well as long as a few of them said that
they heard something about it on nightside that's going to
make me feel it was a good idea to follow
this story as closely as we did.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Oh it does.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
They were saying, how you were kind of I wouldn't
say browbeating, but you were really grilling the mayor that
one time they were accountable for our answers, and the
audience loved that they were there.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
The other night.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I kind of understand. And let me ask you this, Terry,
how disappointed are you that the mayor kind of? I mean,
it worked out great for the festival, you got more publicity,
more people, more involvement. But you I know what happened
that night on June twenty sixth, when they decided, out
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of the cover of darkness to wipe out the red,
white and green, you know, dividing line on Adams Street.
How disappointed are you in not only what the mayor did,
but her inability to look at the situation and realize
she made a mistake and do the right thing and
repaint the line.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Very disappointed, you know. The mayor and I you know
we have we've agreed to disagree, but she's always been
very communicated. We've discussed different issues, on different topics, and
so I was totally, totally shocked and disappointed that at
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ten thirty at night, not saying anything or even letting
the neighbors know that that was going to be done,
and especially not communicating to like a society. That's the
whole key is communication.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
And it just was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's just devastating to me and to the neighbors into
up into known anthem. I mean, it's a tradition. This
goes back to my grandfather. My grandfather was one of
the founding members of the society in nineteen thirty five.
And that line, even though you say, well, it's the line,
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and it's just it's it's tradition, it's a heritage.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's cultural culture.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Exactly the point.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
To me earlier that this ironically not only grew the
neighborhood together, but you had more people at this festival
than ever before. I believe that there were members of
a local synagogue who were very supportive. Just give us
a little sense of.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Them, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I'll tell you the society who runs the festival was
worried the mayor was going to pull their permit, and
so they were dancing very delicately on addressing this line issue,
and at a certain point diplomacy ended, and the people.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
In the neighborhood started taking things into their own hand.
And we have the oldest synagogue in Newton's one hundred
years old, that is on Adams Street.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And the people from the synagogue said, let's go paint
that line.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
What are they going to do? Arrest us all?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
And they went out there and started painting the line,
and that just lifted up.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
The neighborhood where everybody from the community started coming out
into paint the line. It was awesome.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
I mean, I know it was.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
A crisis situation, but on every crisis, there's opportunity, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And today I was thinking about I go.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Yesterday our Catholic community.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Celebrated a cherished tradition and it was because our Jewish
neighbors were willing to fight to ensure we could. That's America.
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That is what America is supposed to be about. And
when a leader makes a mistake and suffering from hubrius
or or lean duck itis, whatever it was, the community
at both ends of your community arose. And I hope
that the that you're already planning the festival for next year,
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then it will be even bigger and.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Better they are.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
And I'll tell you you know, these guys from the synagogue,
a lot of them has saidic Jews.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
They they're very quiet, genteel people, but they're like rock
stars walking around the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I talked to one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
He says, I was driving down the street.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
The cop hit the lights, you know, he thought there
was something wrong. The guys waving out the window to them,
and they're rock stars in the neighborhood, which I love
to see.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's great. That's great. Well, Terry, congratulations. Will keep us
posted in advance. Next year there will be another mayor,
and hopefully whoever that mayor is, you won't have to
go through any of the aggravation that you were subjected
to in the last few weeks, and we'll be there
to help you a year from now as well. And
to you, friend, thanks for all your help throughout this
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two or three week period.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And thank you. You were great and you really really
started the light on things.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I mean, everyone's talking about what you and your friends
in the media did to help us kind of spread.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The word and bring light to what was going on.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
So we we from the bottom of a heart.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Thank you both very much. We love stories like this.
It does prove that you can't fight city hall, and
sometimes you can fight city hall and win. And that's
a good lesson I think for our young people to
understand as well. Thank you both so much.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Shirt too, and well.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But what I'm going to do is I will give
my address to friend tomorrow and you can I can
wear it with pride. I'm not home for for a
couple of weeks, so I'd love to get it and
I'll get that information to friend. Thank you, Terry, and
thank you Friend. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
All right, when we get back, we're going to talk
about young people. Young people again having regrets gen zers.
One in four say they wish they hadn't gone to
college or they would have picked a higher paying industry
in which to learn a business. Interesting. Interesting. It is
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a phenomenon that I think is important, and we'll talk
about it right after the news at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Hour with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh, welcome back everyone. We are going to talk now
with Paul Peters. Paul Peters is a business owner, best
selling author, and hope of the podcast of a podcast
on Purpose with Paul Peters. Paul, welcome back to night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How are you and they're great? Damn thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah. So there's this report that says gen zers have
they have has regrets. One in four say they wish
they hadn't gone to car college or would have picked
up a better higher peeing industry. What's going on here?
I mean, you know, when you and I were younger,
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the goal was to go to college. But I think
a lot of people now are saying, hey, did I
waste four years of my life and a lot of money?
First of all, define for us again what gen z is.
Those are people who have already graduated from college.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I assume they're actually right around eighteen nineteen years old,
so about twenty to twenty nine. I actually have three
kids any rather age.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Aged eighteen to thirty. So there are people who came
after the millennials. The early earliest ones would have born
I would have been born I think in the mid
nineteen nineties. So some of them have gone and have graduated,
ass are still in college. What's the source of this information?
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How did this information develop?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
If you know it, well, I'm a parent, have had
to pay for three of my kids for college, and
I've got one that's a sophomore currently, and you know,
looking to pay that. And I think if the students
are paying for themselves or the parents, it really is
is my investment as a parent is going to produce.
So we look at it from a standpoint as I'm
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investing in my child's education career. And unfortunately a lot
of degrees do not end up producing a decent job
that's going to pay well. And I think parents and
students are recognizing that we're almost going back in time
when things were careers were created from trades or mentorship
or internships, and I think that's where people are realizing
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it's a return on investment that is very low.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, I'll tell you I just today had a bill
to hit my desk from the company that does HVAC
at my house. I'm not going to mention the name
of the company. And they did some work on air conditioning.
You always got to get your air conditioning system tuned
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up in the summertime, and I probably waited too long,
and as you got to get your heating system tuned
up in the fall. There was a few hundred dollars
for about an hour and fifteen minutes between labor and
cost of equipment or supplies. And you know, there are
a lot of great jobs. You know, we talk about
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it all the time. You know, you know what to
describe quote unquote as blue collar people who are electricians, plumbers, roofers,
you know, keep people who work with their hands, you know,
automobile mechanics the backbone of the country. And for a
long time, I think, you know, some of the people
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in this country who maybe were highly educated, felt that
somehow their education and their knowledge of British literature and
you know, and certain branches of economics made them better
people than people who were working for a living and
working with their hands. And I think I think that's
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tied his journey.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh totally great. You know, for example, my son loving
but death he is in a job right now that
is not in line with his career. So as a
parent who paid for his education, is like, okay, did
you waste all that money? But he's happy and you know,
but more importantly, I think when the students and parents,
when they're deciding what's the best career, they I really
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think they need to rethink is the typical college route
the best route? Because you have a lot and a
lot of the times on the field, A lot of
it tends on where the market is going in regards
to the industry that are going to be producing jobs,
and they you know, once they graduate. But I think
the trades are making a big boom simply because when
the education is shorter, it's cheaper. A lot of times
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the companies will pay for that training and then they
come out making a lot more money than somebody who's
got a four year or even a master's level education.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, and then there are the people who often referred
to this young woman who I met her in New
Hampshire when we were broadcasting for New Hampshire in one
of the presidential years, I think it was twenty sixteen
or twenty twenty, and she walked into our studio reception
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area and she was just really angry, and she said
that she had just graduated from college, from a good college,
and that there were no job opportunities and she was upset.
And I don't know if she was upset with which
president or presidential candidate, but I asked her, said, well,
what was your major? It was archaeology, And I thought
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to myself, Okay, that's a fascinating subject to learn about.
But if you're putting all your eggs in the archaeology basket,
you know what sort of job opportunities exist out there.
And I hope your son wasn't an archaeology major.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
No, he was computer science.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah. Now again, we were kind of led to believe
that if your computer science, you're going to have the
world and a string. And I don't know what happened
to that industry, but do you think that this is
a blip ball from your experience that. Yeah, maybe for
six months or so people will regret it, but the
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market will smooth itself out and college applications will continue
to increase and more and more people will continue to
seek that four year degree at a minimum.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And you know, not, to be honest with you, I
really think the universities have had a monopoly on the
education and the costs keep rising, and if you don't
have a good return on an investment, then that will
ultimately fail. People have choices and they're going to choose
a cheaper, better route, and I think the universities are
going to begin to see a decline in tuition in
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that admissions.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, a lot of universities actually have more administrative people
than they have a professor's. My friend Harvey Silverglade often
points out that Harvard has lots of administrators for virtually
every potential idea concept that you could think of, but
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the number of professors who you actually interact with. You know,
colleges used to be small classes and then I don't
know the college has figured it out sometime in the
I think the mid sixties or seventies. You could admit
more people, and particularly those freshman classes. You could put
three or four hundred people in a lecture hall for
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some of the primary courses and then maybe get into
a class with ten or twelve students from one or
two classes in your junior or senior year. So and
that model has been what the colleges have been using.
The big classes, lecture rooms, little interaction with the professors,
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and I think that's the model that has to go away.
And one of the things they're going to have to
do is hire more professors if they're going to have it.
You know, I like the small college. You know, there
are small colleges around the country. Williams and Amherston Place
in Tufts here in New England, which which which are
great because you do actually get to know your professors.
But you could go to some colleges and never so
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much as have a cup of coffee with a professor.
And I think that's part of the experience that colleges
that kids are not actually being exposed to. Got a
thought on that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean, when you go to college, it's like
an interesting because my first book was called Discovering Aibracy
and Life Purpose, and I help individuals find their purpose,
and my goal, if you want to call them, my
target audience are young students who are trying to figure
out what they're want to do in life. And I'm
trying to do that because if very important. One from
an investment perspective, you don't want your kids or the
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parents paying for the tuition so that they can discover
what they're supposed to do and just spend fifty two
hundred whatever the tuition is and come out it's like,
I don't know what I want to do in my life.
Phone I just spent a lot of money helping you
find that, So I mean there's ways to know that
on the front end, and then they could decide, Hey,
is college the route for me? I was a liberal
arts major. Thankfully, because I got into internships, I was
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able to really focus what my career is, and I'm
doing that, you know, years later. But a lot of
students they don't even know what they're doing or where
they're going to be, what they want to do, and
they try to figure that out while they're in college.
To pick a major may not be something that they
even want to do. It's just like they think, on
the other side of the four years, they're going to
have this great job, but that doesn't manifest all the time.
And I think that's a big concern that parents and
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students are looking.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
At a lot of big companies that I know in
my industry, which is the media, a lot of big
companies used to offer internships to college students, to undergraduate
students and give them credit. They would get, you know,
a certain amount of academic critics for having the actual
hands on experience, and then most of the media I'm
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talking TV, radio and probably movies, et cetera, they get
they get rid of interns because they said, hey, this
is not productive, you know, financially productive for us. We
can find people who come out of journalism schools. We
don't have to train interns and and and that is
how I think the economy has also changed in hurt
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colleges as well. So we'll have to keep an eye
on this one. And particularly for young people who are
just starting out and have kids who are, you know,
younger than kindergarten, talk to them, understand what they want.
And there's a lot of great careers out there that
do not involve a college education, although going to college
does uh for for some kids. It provides a great
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path as well, But it's discernment that needs to occur. Paul,
give us the name of the book. You have a
podcast on Purpose with Paul Peters.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Right now as we speak. Yeah, it's my show on
Purpose with Paul is on Monday's seven o'clock Central. But
the book that arose called Discovering and Embracing your Life Purpose,
and people can find more about me on Paul Peters
dot online.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Paul Peters dot online. That's a good website like that. Paul,
appreciate your callers always. We'll have you back.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Thank you much, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
There was some conversation of the weekend that President Trump
might have a a chronic venus insufficiency and of course
a lot of people were concerned, and we're going to
be talking with doctor Shavani Kumar. He is a vascular surgeon,
a tough medical center. This is not as serious as
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it sounds, from what I understand. And the media showed
a lot of interest in this, much more interested in
this than they did in some of the ailments that
the former president displayed. But well, we'll straighten it out, Foy,
and we'll let you know coming back on the other side,
right here on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
All right, there's been a lot of concern, at least
in the media about President Trump, and again after so
many questions about President Biden. These are two both gentlemen
who are on the wrong side of seventy when they
were in office. And with us is doctor Schavani Kumar.
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She is a vascular surgeon, a tough medical center. Doctor Kumar,
welcome to Nightside. Thank you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Thank you for having me. Dan happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yes, well, thanks. So, I guess the president has been
diagnosed with chronic venus insufficiency. That sounds like a terrible condition,
But my understanding is it's something that is fairly normal
for people in his age category, particularly for people like
him who actually conduct to have a fairly strenuous schedule.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, it definitely sounds scarier sometimes than it is,
but it's a very common condition, as you alluded to,
and it can affect, you know, people of all ages,
to be honest, very common in older patients, you know,
like you said on the quote unquote wrong side of seventy,
patients who stand a lot, you know, are on their
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feet all day. Those are two common risk factors, as
well as people who have had multiple pregnancies being overweight.
And then there's a hereditary component as well to this.
So there's a lot of risk factors and there's a
wide variety of presentation as well. How these how patients
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with chronic finess and sufficiency present to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Now, no one would accuse President Trump of being s
felt or will we h And he's a pretty good
sized person and I'm told that the number of hens
that he shakes every day. So what what what will
his treatment be? And it's not going to substantially change
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his schedule, but he may have to spend some time
off his feet more more time off his feet.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
So the first line therapy for you know, venus and sufficiency,
we'll just touch on what that is. It's, you know,
our blood gets around our body with a heart pumping
and it gets back. There's no heart, you know, in
your toes or your fingers that will turn blood to
your heart. You have valves and the veins and those
kind of push things up as we age. Those valves
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are kind of leaflets weaken over time and so they
push blood up and also kind of some blood goes
backwards and pools and the legs and and sometimes in
the arms too, and that causes swelling like heaviness, cramping, fatigue,
and so first line treatment for that is actually compression
stockings to help squeeze that blood up, leg elevation, taking
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time off, you know, keeping your legs up elevated and
not standing as much as one usually does.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And if that doesn't work, I guess that's where your
skill set comes into play. It's not for everyone, but
it's another thing that can be done. Tell us about
the potential surge for surgery.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, so we have potential treatments for patients who do
not have relief of symptoms with these conservative measures. We
can do what we call endovenous late of venus oblations,
either with heat or a laser, and we can close
down some of the veins that are refloxing and causing
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these symptoms. These the veins that are not, you know,
doing the major work of the body. They're the superficial,
smaller veins that are causing most of the symptoms, the
ones that you don't actually need. And it's an office
based procedure. We can do it under a local anesthesia.
You walk in, it takes about thirty minutes to an hour,
You go home the same day, and you have a
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one week follow up visit and most people feel extreme
relief afterwards.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And how bad does it have to get for a
patient to consider that? I think everyone again who is
a little older, realizes they'll they'll notice this blood vessel
has uh you know it's it's they notice physical changes.
Let me put it like that, the legs don't look
as perfect as they did when they were twenty five. Uh.
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And so how bad does the situation have to get
for surgery to talk to be in play.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
I think if you are uncomfortable after three to four
months of trying like really trying compression stockings, blog elevation,
staying off your feet, and not everyone is able to
do those things right. Those stockings are hard to get on.
Some people have to, you know, they're working on their
feet for to make a living. And if despite those
conservative measures they don't have any relief and their lifestyle
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is really affected, we offer this procedure to them because
it can really impact their livelihood and it's overall a
pretty low risk surgery or procedure, and so the risk
benefit ratio here. We don't let people get to a
point where they're so uncomfortable or so debilitated and then
offering them. We really want people to be able to
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live and function.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Let me ask you a question about compression socks, and
I'm sure anyone who's ever used compression socks. Is it advisable?
Is it better to use the compression socks when you're
laying down or when you're on your feet or does
it make a difference.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Do you want to use the stockings compression stocks when
you're on your feet, So when you wake up in
the morning and you get ready to put them on,
go about your day, and then when you're done and
you're ready to go to bed, you take them off.
And the reason being is when you're lying down flat,
your body's not working against gravity to get that blood
flow back to your heart, so you don't need the
compression stocking. Also a lot of people can't tolerate them
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for that long anyway, So I really advise when you're
going to be standing is when you need them.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And those are available through doctors' offices or or.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Are they are used to Actually.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You see them on.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
TV, but I'm always someone who's skeptical on everything that's
advertised on TV.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
To be honest with sure for sure. So you can
get a prescription and get them at a medical supply store.
You can also get them on Amazon, and that's actually
where I get mine because I stand all day as
a surgeon. And you can put it into Amazon Compression
stockings twenty to thirty you know level great compression and
they have fun pattern and colors and they come right
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to your door.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Oh okay, and do you have to know your shoe size?
That they come in various sizes or is there one
size fits all?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
So they do come in various sizes, and if you
go to a doctor's office, we will measure your legs
to make sure you're wearing ones that are appropriate. They
want them to be too tight because then you know,
no one's gonna wear them. They're gonna tell me they're
not comfortable, or you want to be too loose. I'm
to get the job. So that is a good first
step is to is if you think you have venus
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and sufficiency to seek out your vascular surgeon, your primary
care doctor, you know, get plugged into the right places
and then we can measure you do an ultrasound necessary,
get you the correct diagnosis perfect. You know, if you
get them online, it won't hurt you either.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, doctor Kumar, thank you so much. A lot of information.
Uh and I think it applies to a lot of people,
both young and old. So thank you so much for
your time tonight. It was really helpful, Doctor Shovini, vascular
surgeon at the Tough Medical Center. We'll talk again. I suspect, thanks,
Doctor Komer, I think so.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Dance take care, byebye, my pleasure, Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
All right, we get back. We were to talk with
poster extraordinary Dave Paleologus, he polls. He's the director of
the Suffolk University Political Research Center des A poll in
the Boston Globe on the Boston Mayor's race. Interesting numbers,
he'll break it down for us on the other side
of the nine o'clock News
It's Night's Eyes, Dan ray I'm goelling you Mazy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Madison, and good evening everyone. My name
is Dan rayam the host of Nightside. Rob Brooks, our producer,
is back in the control room at Broadcast Central. He
will take your phone calls beginning in the nine o'clock hour.
We've got some great guests coming up tonight and great topics.
At nine o'clock be talking with Dave Paley logus, extraordinary
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pollster for Suffolk University and also the Boston Globe. He
is the director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center,
and it's going to be interesting. We have the mayor's
race coming up here in Boston, and he has released
today a poll that also appeared not at the print
version of the Globe but online that shows Mayor wou
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with a commanding lead over her challenger, Josh Kraft. But
there's some good news for Craft in the poll as well,
and we will break the numbers down for you, along
with the expertise of Dave Paleologus at nine o'clock and
invite all of you to call in and talk about
the race as it has evolved. It still has more
(01:11):
than a month to go, actually about a month and
a half go before the primary, and then of course
there will be the final election. There are four candidates,
two of whom are not considered serious challengers. We may
talk to them as well at some point between now
and the primary. But we'll get to that in detail
at nine o'clock. And then, has there anyone out there
(01:33):
who has not heard about the cold Play couple who
were canoodling? How about that for some alliteration? Coldplay couple
caught cannodling at Gillette Stadium last week. Well, we are
going to talk with a very interesting columnist in his capacity,
a guy named Matt Gazda. Gazda, he's a columnist for Unheard,
(01:54):
which is a great website you should be aware of,
and he basically raises some really serious questions. It is
about why is it that all of us seem to
really revel in the problems of other people who are
not really public figures until this all occurred at you'll
let Stadium. We'll get to all of that, but we're
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going to start off with Chris Anderson. Chris is with
an organization called the Massachusetts Opportunity Alliance. Chris Anderson. Welcome
back to Night's Side and explain the MOA. The Massachusetts
Opportunity Alliance is relatively new here at Massachusetts. Welcome back
to Nightside, Chris Dan.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Thanks for having me back. I always appreciate being on
and talking about these critical issues together. And just to recap,
the mass Opportunity Alliance was established a couple of years ago.
We actually went public a year ago by the mass
High Tech Council, the Pioneer Institute, and the Mass Competitive Partnership.
We're a cross organizational opportunity for many different restaurants, organizations,
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small businesses, some regional chambers, building out an organization that
really focuses on the long term competitiveness challenges and opportunities
for Massachusetts. So it becomes a focal point for unifying
the perspective of those that drive our private sector economy.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm just curious. The group obviously represents a wide variety
of employers. Is there any calculation as to how many
people those employers actually have on their workforce in Toto?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, the numbers are evolving. But if you think about
our small business economy, which are retailers, restaurants, and then
everybody in between, you've got a bulk of our backbone,
and you know, we've got large businesses and all different
types of research institutions that are part of this thing.
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But it's a pretty broad swath. And if we think
about people who live and work in Massachusetts and are
asked to vote on issues every couple of years, remember
sixty four percent of that voting population belonging to neither
political party. So many and many of them are working
in the economy and a combination of large employers, but
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a greater number in the small business community.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, so what we want to talk about tonight is
that CNBC actually looked at America's every one of the
fifty United States and basically rated them on a number
of things the economy, overall, infrastructure, workforce, cost of doing business,
which we're going to talk about with some specificity, business friendliness,
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quality of life, technology and innovation. And Massachusetts actually improved
their status overall and actually in a couple of areas
did very well. Quality of life, no out about that,
and technology and innovation were the fourth I think it's
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the fourth leading state, tied with the state of Washington
in the country. So the overall numbers were better but
you're looking at one that is of concern to you,
and that is simply the cost of doing business in Massachusetts.
We are second to last.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, and we've been second to last in the bottom
five for much of the history of the CNBC Top
States for Business Survey, which is now in its nineteenth year. Massachusetts,
just before COVID we were ranked fourteenth overall. We dropped
in twenty twenty two to twenty fourth in the country,
rebounded the next year to fifteen, dropped last year to
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thirty eight, and now we're bounced back up to twenty.
So there's a lot of movement there. The two think
about the two themes, Dan that really don't change much.
The challenges we have is the most costly, one of
the most costly states, run of business, and and the
lack of business friendly attitude here offset by the consistently
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strong performance in education, technology, and access to capital, which
obviously contribute to quality of life. So those are those
are two conflicting consistent scores, which is why we end
up bouncing around, you know, in that middle area. But
I just say that as good as it was to
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bounce back to twenty from number thirty eight, those really
those those low scores put us behind places like Alabama
and Nebraska overall, including South Carolina, and we're in the
midst of an out migration of workers. So we have
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some real uh calling card for us.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Christ put the out migration in context over some period
of time. I believe that just last month we low
either several hundred or a few thousand jobs out of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah. Well, in fact, we are losing jobs, not creating jobs,
or actually one of the few states that are reducing
our number of jobs in the United States two places
like Florida, California, and almost anybody that's looking for a
low cost, high quality of life is thinking about places
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like Tennessee now. So not only the.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Job has to be really tough on people who are
coming out of college and people who are trying to
start a career, maybe are now thinking about starting a
family and where are they going to put down roots.
I assume that older people who were here, they might
move with the downsize, but they're not necessarily leaving the
job force. If it's the young people who are leaving
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the job force, or am I missing.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Something, Well, they're leaving the Commonwealth and they're taking their
jobs in moving to other places or finding a job
in another place. So what we're doing is and we're
losing high end or high wealth retirees who find it
more cost effective to live in states that don't have
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an income tax and allows them to live and be
philanthropic in other parts of.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The state tax in many cases tennessee.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, and so the estate tax. So you think about, well,
you know, we have these incredibly rich data points that
CNBC does really good analysis on. We're actually having the
founder of CNBC's Top States come out in October. He's
visited a High Tech Council's annual meeting periodically. He'll be
back this October to talk in depth about the trends
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in Massachusetts in the study. But this is an opportunity
for those of us who are trying to strengthen and
regain growth and investment in Massachusetts over a an extended
period of time to use this information, raise awareness, awareness
among the folks that live and work in Massachusetts, including
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employers that are still committed here, to begin getting actively engaged,
proactively in what might be to direct democracy, or at
a minimum, becoming more aware of what these trends mean
to the things that individuals hold.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
We just kind of afford to lose, you know, more
young people who are who have been grown who've grown
up here, have been educated here to move to other states. Chris,
I'm a little crushed on time here. We'll do something
of greater length for sure, but we wanted to get
you on tonight and again ring ring the alarm here.
You're sort of a modern day Paul Revere. I appreciate
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you taking the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
We'll be back look forward to it, you bet you.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Chris Anderson and the Massachusetts Opportunity Alliance and I think
they're pretty easy to find who's interested in getting involved
with them. We're going to visit one final time coming
up in the next segment, uh the No Nantum Street Fight,
if you will, on Adams Street, a very successful festival
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for five days in the Nantum section. And we're going
to be talking with the president of the Nantum Association,
President of the Nantum Neighborhood Association, Terry Sorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right after the break, it's Night Side with Dan Ray
on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We're delighted to be joined by Terry Sorrow. Terry is
the president of the Nantum Neighborhood Association, Terry, congratulations on
the Saint Mary of Carmen Society Festival. I'm told that
it was probably the best festival ever ever.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah. Now, of course there was a picture in the
in the newspapers today and I think even maybe one
on Sunday that somehow, some way that line that became
such a point of controversy when the mayor decided to
mill the red white green line which was emblematic of
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the flag of your beloved you know, ancestral homeland of Italy.
But you went out Saturday morning and the line was back.
What happened?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yes, I went out for my walk and I walked
down Adams Street at the top of Adams Street, and
I started walking and said, the line is here. And
the line went all the way down to probably the show.
And that was Saturday morning. And I assumed the line
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must have been painted during the night because it was
after the festa. Yea that I saw the line Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So is anyone taken credit for the line or is
this a mysterious activity? If you can mind drift, I'm
not looking for you to offer up any names here,
but you have some idea who might have done it
or no.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Well, there is an old Italian saying that Mina used
to say to me, and it goes something like this,
those who say they know don't know, those that know
don't say.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I'm guessing you're in the ladder of that category. Okay, okay.
We're also joined in the line on the line by
one of the members of your group, who's been very
helpful throughout this to me. We've covered this now, this
is our fourth night, but I think that I just
wanted to say thanks to friend Aiadi for all the
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work that he has done. Friend, this I believe, by
any measurement, was the most successful festival in the history
of the festival. Correct.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I was on there Sunday night and I was talking
to the organizers. I mean they sold out of everything, sausages,
t shirts that everybody was selling out of everything. It
was so busy, thanks to you and a lot of
the other media. We had people who've never even heard
an Orantum and they were showing up from all over
the state saying I didn't even know this place existed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well as long as a few of them said that
they heard something about it on nightside that's going to
make me feel it was a good idea to follow
this story as closely as we did.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Oh it does.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
They were saying, how you were kind of I wouldn't
say browbeating, but you were really grilling the mayor that
one time they were accountable for our answers, and the
audience loved that they were there.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
The other night.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I kind of understand. And let me ask you this, Terry,
how disappointed are you that the mayor kind of? I mean,
it worked out great for the festival, you got more publicity,
more people, more involvement. But you I know what happened
that night on June twenty sixth, when they decided, out
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of the cover of darkness to wipe out the red,
white and green, you know, dividing line on Adams Street.
How disappointed are you in not only what the mayor did,
but her inability to look at the situation and realize
she made a mistake and do the right thing and
repaint the line.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Very disappointed, you know. The mayor and I you know
we have we've agreed to disagree, but she's always been
very communicated. We've discussed different issues, on different topics, and
so I was totally, totally shocked and disappointed that at
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ten thirty at night, not saying anything or even letting
the neighbors know that that was going to be done,
and especially not communicating to like a society. That's the
whole key is communication.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
And it just was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's just devastating to me and to the neighbors into
up into known anthem. I mean, it's a tradition. This
goes back to my grandfather. My grandfather was one of
the founding members of the society in nineteen thirty five.
And that line, even though you say, well, it's the line,
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and it's just it's it's tradition, it's a heritage.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's cultural culture.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Exactly the point.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
To me earlier that this ironically not only grew the
neighborhood together, but you had more people at this festival
than ever before. I believe that there were members of
a local synagogue who were very supportive. Just give us
a little sense of.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Them, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I'll tell you the society who runs the festival was
worried the mayor was going to pull their permit, and
so they were dancing very delicately on addressing this line issue,
and at a certain point diplomacy ended, and the people.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
In the neighborhood started taking things into their own hand.
And we have the oldest synagogue in Newton's one hundred
years old, that is on Adams Street.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And the people from the synagogue said, let's go paint
that line.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
What are they going to do? Arrest us all?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
And they went out there and started painting the line,
and that just lifted up.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
The neighborhood where everybody from the community started coming out
into paint the line. It was awesome.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
I mean, I know it was.
Speaker 8 (16:34):
A crisis situation, but on every crisis, there's opportunity, you know.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And today I was thinking about I go.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Yesterday our Catholic community.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Celebrated a cherished tradition and it was because our Jewish
neighbors were willing to fight to ensure we could. That's America.
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That is what America is supposed to be about. And
when a leader makes a mistake and suffering from hubrius
or or lean duck itis, whatever it was, the community
at both ends of your community arose. And I hope
that the that you're already planning the festival for next year,
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then it will be even bigger and.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Better they are.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
And I'll tell you you know, these guys from the synagogue,
a lot of them has saidic Jews.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
They they're very quiet, genteel people, but they're like rock
stars walking around the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I talked to one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
He says, I was driving down the street.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
The cop hit the lights, you know, he thought there
was something wrong. The guys waving out the window to them,
and they're rock stars in the neighborhood, which I love
to see.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's great. That's great. Well, Terry, congratulations. Will keep us
posted in advance. Next year there will be another mayor,
and hopefully whoever that mayor is, you won't have to
go through any of the aggravation that you were subjected
to in the last few weeks, and we'll be there
to help you a year from now as well. And
to you, friend, thanks for all your help throughout this
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two or three week period.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And thank you. You were great and you really really
started the light on things.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I mean, everyone's talking about what you and your friends
in the media did to help us kind of spread.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The word and bring light to what was going on.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
So we we from the bottom of a heart.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Thank you both very much. We love stories like this.
It does prove that you can't fight city hall, and
sometimes you can fight city hall and win. And that's
a good lesson I think for our young people to
understand as well. Thank you both so much.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Shirt too, and well.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But what I'm going to do is I will give
my address to friend tomorrow and you can I can
wear it with pride. I'm not home for for a
couple of weeks, so I'd love to get it and
I'll get that information to friend. Thank you, Terry, and
thank you Friend. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
All right, when we get back, we're going to talk
about young people. Young people again having regrets gen zers.
One in four say they wish they hadn't gone to
college or they would have picked a higher paying industry
in which to learn a business. Interesting. Interesting. It is
(19:18):
a phenomenon that I think is important, and we'll talk
about it right after the news at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Hour with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh, welcome back everyone. We are going to talk now
with Paul Peters. Paul Peters is a business owner, best
selling author, and hope of the podcast of a podcast
on Purpose with Paul Peters. Paul, welcome back to night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How are you and they're great? Damn thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah. So there's this report that says gen zers have
they have has regrets. One in four say they wish
they hadn't gone to car college or would have picked
up a better higher peeing industry. What's going on here?
I mean, you know, when you and I were younger,
(20:10):
the goal was to go to college. But I think
a lot of people now are saying, hey, did I
waste four years of my life and a lot of money?
First of all, define for us again what gen z is.
Those are people who have already graduated from college.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I assume they're actually right around eighteen nineteen years old,
so about twenty to twenty nine. I actually have three
kids any rather age.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Aged eighteen to thirty. So there are people who came
after the millennials. The early earliest ones would have born
I would have been born I think in the mid
nineteen nineties. So some of them have gone and have graduated,
ass are still in college. What's the source of this information?
(20:57):
How did this information develop?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
If you know it, well, I'm a parent, have had
to pay for three of my kids for college, and
I've got one that's a sophomore currently, and you know,
looking to pay that. And I think if the students
are paying for themselves or the parents, it really is
is my investment as a parent is going to produce.
So we look at it from a standpoint as I'm
(21:19):
investing in my child's education career. And unfortunately a lot
of degrees do not end up producing a decent job
that's going to pay well. And I think parents and
students are recognizing that we're almost going back in time
when things were careers were created from trades or mentorship
or internships, and I think that's where people are realizing
(21:41):
it's a return on investment that is very low.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, I'll tell you I just today had a bill
to hit my desk from the company that does HVAC
at my house. I'm not going to mention the name
of the company. And they did some work on air conditioning.
You always got to get your air conditioning system tuned
(22:06):
up in the summertime, and I probably waited too long,
and as you got to get your heating system tuned
up in the fall. There was a few hundred dollars
for about an hour and fifteen minutes between labor and
cost of equipment or supplies. And you know, there are
a lot of great jobs. You know, we talk about
(22:28):
it all the time. You know, you know what to
describe quote unquote as blue collar people who are electricians, plumbers, roofers,
you know, keep people who work with their hands, you know,
automobile mechanics the backbone of the country. And for a
long time, I think, you know, some of the people
(22:49):
in this country who maybe were highly educated, felt that
somehow their education and their knowledge of British literature and
you know, and certain branches of economics made them better
people than people who were working for a living and
working with their hands. And I think I think that's
(23:11):
tied his journey.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh totally great. You know, for example, my son loving
but death he is in a job right now that
is not in line with his career. So as a
parent who paid for his education, is like, okay, did
you waste all that money? But he's happy and you know,
but more importantly, I think when the students and parents,
when they're deciding what's the best career, they I really
(23:35):
think they need to rethink is the typical college route
the best route? Because you have a lot and a
lot of the times on the field, A lot of
it tends on where the market is going in regards
to the industry that are going to be producing jobs,
and they you know, once they graduate. But I think
the trades are making a big boom simply because when
the education is shorter, it's cheaper. A lot of times
(23:55):
the companies will pay for that training and then they
come out making a lot more money than somebody who's
got a four year or even a master's level education.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, and then there are the people who often referred
to this young woman who I met her in New
Hampshire when we were broadcasting for New Hampshire in one
of the presidential years, I think it was twenty sixteen
or twenty twenty, and she walked into our studio reception
(24:25):
area and she was just really angry, and she said
that she had just graduated from college, from a good college,
and that there were no job opportunities and she was upset.
And I don't know if she was upset with which
president or presidential candidate, but I asked her, said, well,
what was your major? It was archaeology, And I thought
(24:46):
to myself, Okay, that's a fascinating subject to learn about.
But if you're putting all your eggs in the archaeology basket,
you know what sort of job opportunities exist out there.
And I hope your son wasn't an archaeology major.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
No, he was computer science.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah. Now again, we were kind of led to believe
that if your computer science, you're going to have the
world and a string. And I don't know what happened
to that industry, but do you think that this is
a blip ball from your experience that. Yeah, maybe for
six months or so people will regret it, but the
(25:28):
market will smooth itself out and college applications will continue
to increase and more and more people will continue to
seek that four year degree at a minimum.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And you know, not, to be honest with you, I
really think the universities have had a monopoly on the
education and the costs keep rising, and if you don't
have a good return on an investment, then that will
ultimately fail. People have choices and they're going to choose
a cheaper, better route, and I think the universities are
going to begin to see a decline in tuition in
(26:00):
that admissions.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, a lot of universities actually have more administrative people
than they have a professor's. My friend Harvey Silverglade often
points out that Harvard has lots of administrators for virtually
every potential idea concept that you could think of, but
(26:24):
the number of professors who you actually interact with. You know,
colleges used to be small classes and then I don't
know the college has figured it out sometime in the
I think the mid sixties or seventies. You could admit
more people, and particularly those freshman classes. You could put
three or four hundred people in a lecture hall for
(26:45):
some of the primary courses and then maybe get into
a class with ten or twelve students from one or
two classes in your junior or senior year. So and
that model has been what the colleges have been using.
The big classes, lecture rooms, little interaction with the professors,
(27:07):
and I think that's the model that has to go away.
And one of the things they're going to have to
do is hire more professors if they're going to have it.
You know, I like the small college. You know, there
are small colleges around the country. Williams and Amherston Place
in Tufts here in New England, which which which are
great because you do actually get to know your professors.
But you could go to some colleges and never so
(27:29):
much as have a cup of coffee with a professor.
And I think that's part of the experience that colleges
that kids are not actually being exposed to. Got a
thought on that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean, when you go to college, it's like
an interesting because my first book was called Discovering Aibracy
and Life Purpose, and I help individuals find their purpose,
and my goal, if you want to call them, my
target audience are young students who are trying to figure
out what they're want to do in life. And I'm
trying to do that because if very important. One from
an investment perspective, you don't want your kids or the
(28:03):
parents paying for the tuition so that they can discover
what they're supposed to do and just spend fifty two
hundred whatever the tuition is and come out it's like,
I don't know what I want to do in my life.
Phone I just spent a lot of money helping you
find that, So I mean there's ways to know that
on the front end, and then they could decide, Hey,
is college the route for me? I was a liberal
arts major. Thankfully, because I got into internships, I was
(28:25):
able to really focus what my career is, and I'm
doing that, you know, years later. But a lot of
students they don't even know what they're doing or where
they're going to be, what they want to do, and
they try to figure that out while they're in college.
To pick a major may not be something that they
even want to do. It's just like they think, on
the other side of the four years, they're going to
have this great job, but that doesn't manifest all the time.
And I think that's a big concern that parents and
(28:47):
students are looking.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
At a lot of big companies that I know in
my industry, which is the media, a lot of big
companies used to offer internships to college students, to undergraduate
students and give them credit. They would get, you know,
a certain amount of academic critics for having the actual
hands on experience, and then most of the media I'm
(29:09):
talking TV, radio and probably movies, et cetera, they get
they get rid of interns because they said, hey, this
is not productive, you know, financially productive for us. We
can find people who come out of journalism schools. We
don't have to train interns and and and that is
how I think the economy has also changed in hurt
(29:34):
colleges as well. So we'll have to keep an eye
on this one. And particularly for young people who are
just starting out and have kids who are, you know,
younger than kindergarten, talk to them, understand what they want.
And there's a lot of great careers out there that
do not involve a college education, although going to college
does uh for for some kids. It provides a great
(29:57):
path as well, But it's discernment that needs to occur. Paul,
give us the name of the book. You have a
podcast on Purpose with Paul Peters.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Right now as we speak. Yeah, it's my show on
Purpose with Paul is on Monday's seven o'clock Central. But
the book that arose called Discovering and Embracing your Life Purpose,
and people can find more about me on Paul Peters
dot online.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Paul Peters dot online. That's a good website like that. Paul,
appreciate your callers always. We'll have you back.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Thank you much, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
There was some conversation of the weekend that President Trump
might have a a chronic venus insufficiency and of course
a lot of people were concerned, and we're going to
be talking with doctor Shavani Kumar. He is a vascular surgeon,
a tough medical center. This is not as serious as
(30:51):
it sounds, from what I understand. And the media showed
a lot of interest in this, much more interested in
this than they did in some of the ailments that
the former president displayed. But well, we'll straighten it out, Foy,
and we'll let you know coming back on the other side,
right here on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
All right, there's been a lot of concern, at least
in the media about President Trump, and again after so
many questions about President Biden. These are two both gentlemen
who are on the wrong side of seventy when they
were in office. And with us is doctor Schavani Kumar.
(31:36):
She is a vascular surgeon, a tough medical center. Doctor Kumar,
welcome to Nightside. Thank you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Thank you for having me. Dan happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yes, well, thanks. So, I guess the president has been
diagnosed with chronic venus insufficiency. That sounds like a terrible condition,
But my understanding is it's something that is fairly normal
for people in his age category, particularly for people like
him who actually conduct to have a fairly strenuous schedule.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, it definitely sounds scarier sometimes than it is,
but it's a very common condition, as you alluded to,
and it can affect, you know, people of all ages,
to be honest, very common in older patients, you know,
like you said on the quote unquote wrong side of seventy,
patients who stand a lot, you know, are on their
(32:33):
feet all day. Those are two common risk factors, as
well as people who have had multiple pregnancies being overweight.
And then there's a hereditary component as well to this.
So there's a lot of risk factors and there's a
wide variety of presentation as well. How these how patients
(32:54):
with chronic finess and sufficiency present to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Now, no one would accuse President Trump of being s
felt or will we h And he's a pretty good
sized person and I'm told that the number of hens
that he shakes every day. So what what what will
his treatment be? And it's not going to substantially change
(33:21):
his schedule, but he may have to spend some time
off his feet more more time off his feet.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
So the first line therapy for you know, venus and sufficiency,
we'll just touch on what that is. It's, you know,
our blood gets around our body with a heart pumping
and it gets back. There's no heart, you know, in
your toes or your fingers that will turn blood to
your heart. You have valves and the veins and those
kind of push things up as we age. Those valves
(33:50):
are kind of leaflets weaken over time and so they
push blood up and also kind of some blood goes
backwards and pools and the legs and and sometimes in
the arms too, and that causes swelling like heaviness, cramping, fatigue,
and so first line treatment for that is actually compression
stockings to help squeeze that blood up, leg elevation, taking
(34:14):
time off, you know, keeping your legs up elevated and
not standing as much as one usually does.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And if that doesn't work, I guess that's where your
skill set comes into play. It's not for everyone, but
it's another thing that can be done. Tell us about
the potential surge for surgery.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, so we have potential treatments for patients who do
not have relief of symptoms with these conservative measures. We
can do what we call endovenous late of venus oblations,
either with heat or a laser, and we can close
down some of the veins that are refloxing and causing
(34:58):
these symptoms. These the veins that are not, you know,
doing the major work of the body. They're the superficial,
smaller veins that are causing most of the symptoms, the
ones that you don't actually need. And it's an office
based procedure. We can do it under a local anesthesia.
You walk in, it takes about thirty minutes to an hour,
You go home the same day, and you have a
(35:21):
one week follow up visit and most people feel extreme
relief afterwards.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And how bad does it have to get for a
patient to consider that? I think everyone again who is
a little older, realizes they'll they'll notice this blood vessel
has uh you know it's it's they notice physical changes.
Let me put it like that, the legs don't look
as perfect as they did when they were twenty five. Uh.
(35:48):
And so how bad does the situation have to get
for surgery to talk to be in play.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
I think if you are uncomfortable after three to four
months of trying like really trying compression stockings, blog elevation,
staying off your feet, and not everyone is able to
do those things right. Those stockings are hard to get on.
Some people have to, you know, they're working on their
feet for to make a living. And if despite those
conservative measures they don't have any relief and their lifestyle
(36:20):
is really affected, we offer this procedure to them because
it can really impact their livelihood and it's overall a
pretty low risk surgery or procedure, and so the risk
benefit ratio here. We don't let people get to a
point where they're so uncomfortable or so debilitated and then
offering them. We really want people to be able to
(36:40):
live and function.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Let me ask you a question about compression socks, and
I'm sure anyone who's ever used compression socks. Is it advisable?
Is it better to use the compression socks when you're
laying down or when you're on your feet or does
it make a difference.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Do you want to use the stockings compression stocks when
you're on your feet, So when you wake up in
the morning and you get ready to put them on,
go about your day, and then when you're done and
you're ready to go to bed, you take them off.
And the reason being is when you're lying down flat,
your body's not working against gravity to get that blood
flow back to your heart, so you don't need the
compression stocking. Also a lot of people can't tolerate them
(37:22):
for that long anyway, So I really advise when you're
going to be standing is when you need them.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And those are available through doctors' offices or or.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Are they are used to Actually.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You see them on.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
TV, but I'm always someone who's skeptical on everything that's
advertised on TV.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
To be honest with sure for sure. So you can
get a prescription and get them at a medical supply store.
You can also get them on Amazon, and that's actually
where I get mine because I stand all day as
a surgeon. And you can put it into Amazon Compression
stockings twenty to thirty you know level great compression and
they have fun pattern and colors and they come right
(38:01):
to your door.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Oh okay, and do you have to know your shoe size?
That they come in various sizes or is there one
size fits all?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
So they do come in various sizes, and if you
go to a doctor's office, we will measure your legs
to make sure you're wearing ones that are appropriate. They
want them to be too tight because then you know,
no one's gonna wear them. They're gonna tell me they're
not comfortable, or you want to be too loose. I'm
to get the job. So that is a good first
step is to is if you think you have venus
(38:30):
and sufficiency to seek out your vascular surgeon, your primary
care doctor, you know, get plugged into the right places
and then we can measure you do an ultrasound necessary,
get you the correct diagnosis perfect. You know, if you
get them online, it won't hurt you either.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, doctor Kumar, thank you so much. A lot of information.
Uh and I think it applies to a lot of people,
both young and old. So thank you so much for
your time tonight. It was really helpful, Doctor Shovini, vascular
surgeon at the Tough Medical Center. We'll talk again. I suspect, thanks,
Doctor Komer, I think so.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
Dance take care, byebye, my pleasure, Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
All right, we get back. We were to talk with
poster extraordinary Dave Paleologus, he polls. He's the director of
the Suffolk University Political Research Center des A poll in
the Boston Globe on the Boston Mayor's race. Interesting numbers,
he'll break it down for us on the other side
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