July 25, 2025 • 40 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Mayflower II's upcoming philanthropic sail! Sets sail for the first time in 5 years!
Guest: Tom Begley – Plimoth Patuxet Museum's Executive Director
New research says don’t give children under age 13 smartphones.
Guest: Dr. Dean Beckloff - Licensed Professional Counselor
4 Massachusetts schools got a 5-star rating on Money.com’s ‘Best Colleges’ list. How and what for?
Guest: Madison Lucchesi – Reporter for Boston.com
The ongoing Republic Services trash collector labor strike. How cities like Gloucester and others are handling it…
Guest: Kendall Buhl – WBZ NewsRadio Reporter
Mayflower II's upcoming philanthropic sail! Sets sail for the first time in 5 years!
Guest: Tom Begley – Plimoth Patuxet Museum's Executive Director
New research says don’t give children under age 13 smartphones.
Guest: Dr. Dean Beckloff - Licensed Professional Counselor
4 Massachusetts schools got a 5-star rating on Money.com’s ‘Best Colleges’ list. How and what for?
Guest: Madison Lucchesi – Reporter for Boston.com
The ongoing Republic Services trash collector labor strike. How cities like Gloucester and others are handling it…
Guest: Kendall Buhl – WBZ NewsRadio Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm felling easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Madison.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
As we wrapped the week up here on a Friday
night tgif it's is the middle of the summer as
we work, this is our last Friday night in the
month of July. And by the way, we have a
little bit of an update here. I think this is important,
a water monitor lizard update. You know, last night we
talked with the deputy chief of the Webster Police Department,
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Gordon Wentworth, and believe it or not, he told me
that a few minutes after he was on our program
last night, and he was on during the the eight
to fifteen segment. He said, about ten minutes later, there
was a sighting of Goose, the water monitor lizard.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Goose is trying to make an escape.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He was spotted in Thompson, Connecticut, across state lines. No
question about whether there's any sort of federal activity involved here,
but Thompson, Connecticut is next to Webster, Massachusetts. Apparently Goose
has gone already about five miles. It sounds like he's
heading south. But we will keep you posted on Goose.
And that's a true story. If you didn't listen last night.
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You probably want to listen to it on Nightside Demand
over the weekend. Last night, some eight pm broadcast eight
pm hour. My name's Dan Raym, the host of Nightside.
Rob Brooks back in the control room. We're going to
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Speaker 2 (02:39):
Let us begin.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Our conversation with first of four guests tonight delighted to
introduce the director of the Plymouth Pawtuxit Museum, Tom Begley.
Tom Begley, Welcome to Nightside. I think you've been here
with us before, so I want to say welcome back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm doing great, Tanks, Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
We have big news.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Mayflower two is going to set sail after I guess
about a five year hiatus. What's the deal here, what's
going on?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, we're really excited for in the first week of August.
There'll be lots of opportunities for people to see Mayflower
at sale as we undergo our sort of regular Coast
Guard recertification process every five years we go through this
that we're staying ship shape and seaworthy, and between August
fourth through the eighth, Mayflower will be out in the
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water at Plymouth Bay into Kipecod Bay.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, so how far out do you need your binoculars?
And I hope it's not any further than sixteen miles
because then as I understand that you're beyond the horizon.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
No, we won't going that far. We'll be heading out
into the bay sort of towards province down. I think
everybody should be. There'd be a good people, good amount
of advantage points along the coast and Plymouth for visitors
and residents to get a get a chance of seeing
this tall ship underway.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Now it hasn't been on the water in five years?
Is that what I'm going to believe them?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Though, Well, we've been at our pier. We've been at
the state Pier in Implymouth, Massachusetts where we have our
regular exhibit, and we've been there for five years, tied
up to the dock, with occasional winters over with our
friends in Mystic Seaport Museum, undergoing as a captain likes
to say, a shave and a haircut every other winter.
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But this is our first time going or being at
sail in five years. Yeah, so we're really excited.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So Connecticut, you're not under sail, you're under the whole way.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, tug Boco is the whole way with us a
tug boat.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So there's no uh, there's no engine blow.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And that's one of the amazing things about Mayflower too,
is it has no engine propulsion on the ship, so
it is fully powered by the wind.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, you would expect that's that's Mayflower obviously, that's the
way it came op. Yeah, its predecessor came over. How
long did Mayflower one last? I mean, obviously I think
everybody knows it arrived sixteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
How any idea as.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
To how long before Mayflower one went to its water grave.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If you will.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, it only lasted a few more years after its
famous voyage across the Atlantic in sixteen twenty. Eventually there's
a we know, there's a record appears when the master
of the ship who sailed the ship sailed it over,
Christopher Jones, when he passed away, his wife was on
the ownership of the ship. And then we see a
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record saying that it was sold in ruins, and so
that tells us that it was probably broken up and
sold for scrap, as so many ships were in that day.
But we believe that when Mayflowers sailed in sixteen two,
it was probably a fairly old ship at that point,
seems to have probably been about twenty five thirty years
old maybe, which would have been putting it at the
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end of its useful run in the seventeenth century.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, so it wasn't destroyed or discarded, it was just
it kind of went the way of a lot of
things in the world naturally. And then how long was
it before Mayflower two, which obviously is a replica of
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Mayflower one as best we know, how when was Mayflower
two created?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, Mayflower two was built between nineteen fifty five and
nineteen fifty seven, and it was built in over in England,
in Brixham, Devon, England. And it was an amazing collaboration
between our museum and a separate group in England called
Project Mayflower. Their founder and our museum's founder, Harry Hornblower,
had had the same idea at the same time. They
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were going to build a Mayflower reproduction of the original Mayflower,
and so our groups were able to come together and
the English group built and sailed the ship across the ocean,
and when it came here the museum has been stewarding
it ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So that's amazing that from I don't know, maybe sixteen
thirty until nineteen fifty seven, the world was without a
May Flowership.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Lots of maritime historians had tried to imagine what it
might have looked like. Several prominent models had been made.
There's a beautiful model that was made early on in
the twentieth century that can be out that can be
seen at Pilgrim Hall Museum in Plymouth. But what our
project did was to take those imaginations and make it
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into actually working plans, into a working ship. And a
brilliant man named William Avery Baker was a naval architect
who from Ingham. He was the guy who kind of
figured it out and you put it all together into
these into like the one of the first really working
reproduction ships of its day, and set off a whole
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new tradition of wooden ship building that was almost in
danger of being gloss if it had not been for
the project.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Just a curious question I asked, curious questions I would
have assumed and obviously you know, the first three letters
of the word assumption.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But I would have assumed that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
The recreation of the Mayflower, once there was some prints
or plans that you got your hands on, would have
been fairly simple. Obviously there was no photographic evidence, there
was no video or film evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But I've got to assume that it's not a complicated ship.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I am. There are so many things, as being a historian,
that I wish we had, you know, more evidence, but
we're always given just enough and that gets, you know,
sort of gets us interested in, you know, asking those
curious questions like you do, and it gets us to
think about, well, what is this, what would it have
looked like? We don't have very much at all about
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what the original Mayflower looked like. The best suggestion is
that Governor William Bradford, in his History of Plymouths Plantation,
wrote that Mayflower had a burden of nine score, which
means it carried about one hundred and eighty tons. And
that was like a measurement in the period about like
a ship's size in a way, and we still use
it today, of course, but Baker, William Avery Baker was
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able to use shipwright calculations from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries,
and did the math, did the algebra, went backwards from that,
having the answer and figured out the equation and was
able to create dimensions that would arrive at a ship
that could hold one hundred and eighty tons. And then
using some pictorial evidence from the period, like paintings of
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other descriptions of merchant ships, because we knew Mayflower was
at least the merchant ship carrying goods all across Europe,
he was able to sort of come to the best
estimate of what the ship would have could have looked like.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Fascinating and all of this, of course can be You
can brush up on this with a visit to the
Plymouth Pawtuxit Museum. Tom Begley is sometimes there. When you're
there you can say hello. And in the next I
guess beginning in the first week of August, people are
going to be able to see the may Mayflower too
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under sail. Thanks Tom. It's great to know. And if
people can get more information, what's the website. I know
we haven't asked every question or answered every time of
day and what day it will be under sail?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
How can they get that information.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Check out our website at Plymouth dot org. That's p
L I M O T H dot org and you
can learn even about how you yourself might be able
to onboard the Mayflower if you go and check out
our website.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Very cool, Very cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
All right, Tom Begley, have a great weekend, enjoy the
last Saturday in July. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Have a good one.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, Tom, we come back. We're going to talk
about some research that cautions parents.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this is important.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Don't you know how they say, Mama, don't let your
babies grow up to be cowboys. Mama, don't let your
babies under the age of thirteen have smartphones.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
We will explain right after the break.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
All right, We're going to introduce you to a licensed
professional counselor. Name is doctor Dean Beckloff, and he is
going to talk about some research that advises parents not
to allow their children under the age of thirteen to
have smartphones. I think I understand this very well, but
(11:59):
I'm sure this aspects of it which you're going to
clarify for me. I think giving a kid almost rather
give a I don't want to say what, I will
must rather give the kid than a smartphone. I think
a smartphone under the age of thirteen is actually destructive
towards all sorts of their mental and brain development. And
(12:20):
I'm not a professional, doctor Beckloff.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Welcome, good, thank you, And I couldn't agree with you more.
I mean, you need to become a psychologist.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Well, you know what, when you do a talk show
for eighteen years after having been a TV reporter for
thirty one years, I think I'm kind of qualified.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
For a degree in psychology to get my drift.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Absolutely, I'll vote for you.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of I deal
with thousands of people every year on my radio talk show,
and it's a wide spectrum of people.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Doctor Beckloff. Maybe some night I should have you back on.
We could talk about.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
People are just amazing. We are all so different, which
is also wonderful. But let's talk about what's the impact
that smartphones have on kids, particularly well kids under the
age of thirteen. Why the age of thirteen. I assume
we're talking about brain formation and things like that.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Yeah, you know, this was a particular study where they
actually studied the ages of thirteen on down and they
concluded that every year below thirteen, the outcomes become worse.
So and some of the outcomes that they talked about
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were sleep disruptions, being exposed to cyber bullying, negative family relationships,
and inability to manage their emotions. Which if these are kids,
if they're having trouble managing emotions, then they're also having
trouble managing behavior. So this is really a problem, and
(14:08):
I think we've been understanding that now. I remember when
phones kind of came into vogue. Yeah, and my kids
had had a foot phone. I mean in high school,
they just that's all they had. But as I've listened
to kids and listened to what they're saying, more and
more kids are saying that their peers have these phones.
(14:32):
So I was talking to that eight year old and
they're like, oh no, nearly everybody in the class has
a phone. I'm the only one that doesn't. So you know,
it's gotten I'm sure you've noticed this too. The age
keeps getting lower and lower. But now we've got research
that shows it's detrimental to kids.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, it's interesting. First of all, is an industry.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's an injury industry, which is intended to make money,
and the way it makes money is addict people to
the product. It's not all that dissimilar from tobacco or
alcohol at its quest I mean, I had to put
it like that. Obviously, tobacco can lead you to lung cancer.
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Alcohol can can lead you to alcohol addiction, if you know,
if not used by an adult. But what this does,
it takes a lot of the child's development. And again
I'm not a as you are, I am not a
licensed professional counselor. But kids should be out playing, they
should be talking with other kids, interacting with other kids,
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learning how to how to socialize. And looking at your
phone and looking at a bunch of funny videos all
day long or a good portion of the day doesn't
help you at all. At least when they were watching, oh,
you know television, and they were you know, watching for example,
set or you know, barning, there was sort of they
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were watching others how they conducted themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
This is a whole different ballgame. This is this is
almost porn in many.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Respects because all they're doing is just feeding stuff to
these kids.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And whether it's you know, funny.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Videos, stupid videos, card crash videos, train crash.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Whatever it is, it's pornography.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It has no redeeming social value for a kid under
the age of thirteen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm off my soapbox.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Go ahead, Dean, Well, I mean, you know, kids are vulnerable. Now,
we're all vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
One of the things that would be helpful, I think
is that if parents would engage in a conversation, especially
with our teenagers and even kids, and letting them know.
You know, I'm I can have a hard time getting
off of the phone too. I can have a hard
time not looking at social media. I can. You know,
we all get pulled in to that blinking screen and
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it's it's it's hard to resist it. But you know,
there's a book called The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haate
and he makes the same arguments. Now he's a socialist
psychologist and he's done lots of studies too, and he
feels that three things contribute to a decline and mental
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well being of young people, which is smartphones, social media,
and this one is interesting, helicopter parenting. He says, we've
become way too obsessed with the safety of our children,
so we kept them indoors and handed them a phone
and lo and behold when you know it. That's destructive.
(17:47):
So you are so right when you said kids need
to be playing. That's his argument. Kids need to be
out there. And you know, I don't know what you
what your child is the right books. We went everywhere.
My parents expected us to practice the safety rules that
they had taught us.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So we were well, I know, we used to you know,
we played you know, organized sports.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
We had a little league and all of that.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But during the day, during the summertime, we all went
up the field, twelve of us, eighteen of us whatever,
and uh, we took a baseball bat and you bucked
up and one guy was a captain, the other guy
was a captain, and whoever topped off the baseball bat
got to pick people. And you learned that, uh, if
you were a really good player, you were probably gonna
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get picked first, and if you're someone who needed to
work you know when you're hitting, you were probably going
to get picked last.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
But there was there was all sorts of.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Social learned social skill about that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We didn't realize it at the time, but you also,
you know, learned maybe you were the smartest kid in
the school, but every game, every one of those games,
you got put out in right field. Now, everybody's got
to get a trophy. Everybody wins. They don't keep score.
You bet we kept score. You bet we kept score.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Hey with basketball, that one never worked with me, So
I got to be the last one chosen. Every time
you learn something from that, Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You do, Yes you learn.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You're not good at everything, and sometimes you got to
work on it to get better.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Simple, He says, the same thing. Don't give any smartphones
to any kid under high school, so it's essentially the
same thing thirteen years old. And if they have to
have something like you know, I understand. I was a
parent when my kids were in middle school. They were everywhere,
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so they had that flip phone and we could come
to them. That's what he says. Give them a phone
that has limited apps and no internet browser.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Before ninth time, I almost wish I never got anything
beyond the flip phone I got. I got phones now,
and I have like fifteen thousand emails that I don't
want to get rid of them because I may need
that contact at some point. I know, Doctor Beckloff, how
can folks get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
If they would? If what do you want people to
get in touch with you?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You tell me they can come to our website www
dot d R Beckloft dot com, d R B E
C K L O F s dot com.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's good. And by the way, I keep telling people,
you don't need that www thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's just Drbeckloft dot com. I really enjoyed this conversation.
You're you you. I always like to meet people who
I know are a lot smarter than me, but somehow
think like I do makes me.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Feel like it makes me feel smarter. You've got the intelligence,
I'm telling you. Great, great recommendations there.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Appreciate it, Doctor Dan Beckloff. We will have you back,
my friend. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
All right, take care, all.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right, we get back. We're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Money Magazine's list of best colleges. Four of them are
from Massachusetts. There are no surprises here, okay, so don't
expect a surprise. But we're gonna talk with a reporter
for Boston dot Com, Madison Lucasey, right after the news
break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's nice Side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We are delighted to be joined by Madison Lucaysey. She's
a reporter for Boston dot Com and Madison. First of all,
I'm going to ask a dumb question because I always
want to make sure I understand When you are reporter
for Boston dot com, does that mean you are working
for affiliated with Boston Globe. Who is Boston dot Com?
I see the website all the time. Sometimes I think
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I understand what it is, and sometimes I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So I thought I'll ask you the question.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Hi Van, nice to be with you.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
N nice to be with you.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Yeah, Boston dot Com is owned by the Boston Globe,
so we're in the same office right at on State
Street in Boston. We share every newsroom, but we're all
little website that's a little bit different than the Globe.
We publish things without a paywall.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
And yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's great, and thank you for the clarification. It was
an honest question, because you know, I've been in the
business for a long time and I and I do
understand it. But one of the things I always learned
is that when I'm not sure about something, I have
enough confidence self confidence to ask a question. The answer
you gave me is what I suspected, but I but
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I appreciate that. So you are in effect bringing us
information from a list of best colleges across the country
from Money dot Com, which I assume is Money magazine.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yes, Money dot Com used to be Money Magazine. They
no longer run a print issue, so now they're just
Money dot Com. Okay, and they just released this list.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yes, well clarification. I't even realized Money magazine was out
of business, and the reason was they never probably had
a subscription to win. But that's tell us how they
rated the best colleges. Hopefully they weren't. They didn't include
some category of you know, high first round NFL draft choices.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
They kept the sports out of it this time. So
money dot Com took information from seven hundred colleges across
the country and rated them on a star rating. So
it's not a ranking system like we usually see about colleges.
So four Massachusetts colleges were given a five star rating
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in their best College list based on cost of attendance
in this upcoming academic year, financial aid, graduation rates, median
alumni salary, and more, and were MI T, Harvard, Babson College,
and Williams College.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm not surprised. I mean, there's there's no uh there's
no upset in there. Those are all four great schools.
As a matter of fact, I'm not sure which magazine
it was said that the best college in Massachusetts for
people their first few years in the workforce, uh, in
terms of salary, you know, their financial remuneration was Babson College.
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That if you graduated from Babson College, the chances are
that you would have a better starting salary than anyone,
whether it was Harvard, Mit, or wherever as undergraduates. So
Babson is a great school. Everybody knows Williams. You know,
one of the small ivy's Harvard, no question. I know
they held some controversy at this point, but they've been
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around a long time, and Mit as well. Since you
told me a couple of things, I don't know. Do
you know why Harvard was founded? Do you know what year?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm sure you know that Harvard was founded in sixteen
thirty six.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Well, of course I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you know why they were founded?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Harvard was founded in sixteen thirty six to educate the
graduates of Boston Latin School, the country's oldest public high school,
which was founded in sixteen thirty five.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
True story. So if you have any friends.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
I didn't know that about BLS.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, well I'm a BLS guy, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Many years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So it's just an interesting fact and I know it
to be true, and that is the genesis of Harvard.
So was there anything in the study that stunned you?
I mean, these are all the equivalent of five star
Michelin restaurants. These are five star money dot com best
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colleges in America. Was there any college old beyond the
borders of Massachusetts, because we broadcast in about thirty eight
states right now that is a five star that no
one ever heard of or no one would have expected.
Or are these all pretty predictable calculations and judgments and determinations.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I would say they're all pretty predictable, predictable calculations that
all colleges we've really heard of before. I do think
what shocked me most was, honestly the amount of financially
that these four top colleges give to their students. Because
we all hear about the hefty price tags year over
year tuitions rising, cost of attendance is rising, but so
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is their financial aid. I was really surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, when you look at the endowment that for example,
a school like Harvard has, I mean, I think it's
up around fifty two.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Fifty three billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, you can help a lot of people there and
some of the other schools. I mean it very successful
school Williams and yeah, I think what people need to
understand is and we do a college admission show every
year with the deans of Admissions from Boston College with
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the different titles and Harvard. Bill Fitzimmons from Harvard has
been with us every year for seventeen years. And Harvard
is always prided itself on making moneies available to qualified students,
and they also try to find kids with different stories.
I mean all of us as parents when our kids
go to you're too young to be a parent. I
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can tell from talking to you that when it comes
to your kids are taking their SAT exams, everybody focuses
on the SATs the acts. But a lot of the
really elite schools like these four you know, MIT might
be a little bit more mathematically concentrated and focused on acts,
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S A T S. But Williams Great Liberal Arts School, Babson,
although obviously that's a financial school with a with a
lot of emphasis on on math and science, that they're
looking for kids who had different stories, you know, kids
who come out of difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Maybe not kids from New England.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Maybe they're all looking for kids from from parts of
the country and even parts of the world that you that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You don't expect.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And and that's why this whole thing with the Trump
administration and Harvard is so controversial and uh so fraught.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
With with people talking past each other. I think.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's it's it's an interesting time. Did you go to
school up in this neck of the woods man Medicine.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I am actually still in college. I am an Emerson
College student. I've just taken a pause from my studies
to work at Boston dot Com for for this semester,
and then I'll be headed right back down or soon
to finish my journalism degree.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well how about that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
That's that is great because I got to tell you,
there used to be when I was in television back
in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, we used to have
really smart interns, many of whom went on to get
full time careers in television, and all of those internship
programs have, sadly in the last twenty years, been either
cut dramatically or eliminated.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And what you're doing now.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Is going to literally pave the foundation for a career
in the business. And you're able to develop that that
scrap book, you don't call it a scrap book anymore,
but a resume of some of your writings and stuff.
That's going to be rock a field when you graduating
from Emerson. And Emerson is a great school. Do you
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know my friend one of the deans over there, louisne
Reeb by.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Any chance, so of course, she's the chair of our
journalism department.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It was probably one of the best people I ever
worked with in television. So when you see Louis Reed,
I please give her my best. Okay, she's she's She
was a great, a great colleague and always had my
back even when I was doing stories that some people
didn't quite understand going after the FBI asked her about that,
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and so she'll tell you a couple of stories.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Okay, I'll relay that message and I'll ask her about that.
That sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I think I think you. I think she will. She
knows it as well as I do. She was with
me every step of the way. Thanks Madison. Madison Lukeasey
Lucasey of Boston dot Com. You can find this just
go to money dot com best colleges list, and it
may be that you don't want to go to college
in New England and you can look around and find
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another five star rated college. I think the article I
read it quickly. Are there about forty colleges nationwide that had.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This five star rating? Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
So it's a very selective five star rating. They didn't
give out a lot of five stars, and we have
four of them here in Massachusetts, as is our want.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Madison. I enjoyed the conversation. I hope to have you back.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Thanks so much, Dan, anytime.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You bet you them.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Madison Lacasey, reporter for The Boston for Boston dot Com.
Back on nights side, we're going to talk with Kendall Bull,
an extraordinary reporter at WBZ news Radio, about the ongoing
Republic Services Tracks Collection Collector labor strike. And then at
nine o'clock we're going to talk about the strike that
is ongoing outside of Fenway Park. The concessionaires did, as
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many of them told us last night. When the clock
hit noon today, the strike became official and they have
been walking since then, and we'll hopefully get some updates
and we'll maybe even eventually talk to some people who
went to the game tonight and see if there were
people in the stands selling the products that you associate
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with baseball games, hot dogs and beer. Back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
All right, I'm delighted to be well.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Welcome, old friend and colleague, Kendall Bull, WBZ News reporter. Extraordinary,
Hey Kendall, how are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Great and great to be with you, my.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Friend, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You have been on the republic Services trash collector beat,
not as a trash collector, but as a reporter. What's
the latest? I listened to one of your reports today
that there are Gloucester DPW crews now actually cleaning up
trash in that city.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Set it up for us.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How many cities are involved in our communities are involved
in this strike, Hight.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
They're about about a dozen, and six of them have
taken republic to court. They had a hearing on Tuesday
in which the lawyers argued that Republicans did a public
health crisis due to this and that's what we were
looking at this morning, going out to a couple of
the communities on the north Shore to see just how
bad the crisis had gotten. That hearing was Tuesday, and
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the intervening days. Of course, we've had some days that
you just don't want piles of garbage to be sitting.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I haven't gotten spontaneously better, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
No, they absolutely haven't. But you know what I did find, Dan,
I did find that there aren't the piles of garbage.
I found one neighborhood in Gloucester where a lot had
been piled up on the street, but I was told
that it would be gone by the end of the day,
and that, of course, as you mentioned, thanks to the DPW.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
You know, Dan, I kind of.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Consider dps to be the unsung heroes of their communities.
They keep things plugging along behind the scenes, but I
will tell you their raisers are being sung. In the
communities that I was at where those gpw's are working,
people are seeing them out there working some very long
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hours and some very tough conditions out there in the heats,
making sure that they are getting that that trash collected.
So you were really you were in Gloubster, right yes,
and also Beverly.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, what are they doing in Beverly?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Same thing, the same thing right now. Beverly residents every
evening are getting a phone call from Mayor Kyhill and
he tells them what happened earlier that day as far
as trash collection, and who can expect their trash to
be collected the next day? It's they tell me, really
keeping them on their toes.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, you know, when you think about it, I live
in a community, and I'm sure you live in a
community where.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Trash is collected. It's always the same, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
For us, it's every Wednesday, and you've got to get
the barrels out there the night before. You got to
make sure that they're closed up nice and tied so
that none of the local animals, you know, the coyotes
or whatever is around can tip them over.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And then you got to bring them in the next day.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And if they happen to go come by and collect
at seven o'clock and you sleep in that day, or
they're a little early or whatever and you missed the collection,
you got to hold on to it for an extra week.
What's the status of the strike? Obviously the strike is
still on. I'm going to talk next hour about the
concession concession strike at Fenway Park. Maybe next week we'll
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get to this trash collection strike.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
How far are they apart? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Well, you have the lawsuits, both sides made their arguments
and a hearing on Tuesday. There was no ruling by
the judge at the time for the relief that those
communities are looking for. We're not sure when there is
going to be ruling. And then you have each community
doing what it on to move things forward in the
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case of Laster, for instance, the DPW, and then you
have Republic bringing in some temporary workers. And I spoke
to a lot of people Dan who feel really conflicted
about this. I talked to one person in Beverly union guys,
a member of the firefighters union, and he said to me,
he said, listen, I really want to back these striking workers,
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but at the same time, it's not at the expense
of our families. They're feeling really conflicted over this whole thing.
And there's that feeling of conflict too when they hear
that there are, for all intentsive purposes, scabs who are
going to be collecting their garbage. They don't like that idea,
but they want their garbage collected.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, you know the other thing too, that when you
think about it, in Massachusetts, police, fire teachers are not
supposed to strike. There's such a critical public service. Now,
there have been efforts by legislators at different times to
you know, maybe change.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That law, but that's the law as I understand it. Now.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The teachers' unions have gone out in the last few
years and they have struck, and there hasn't been much
of a penalty on for those for those teachers unions,
So the trash collector collectors are just as important to
public health and safety. But I assume there's nothing that
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prevents them from striking. Legally, there isn't. And yes, we
have seen the teacher strikes. You will not see a
police or firefighter strike because that would deal a huge
blow to public safety. But that's exactly the argument that
these communities are making in court right now.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
They're saying that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
If they have a right to strike, they should be
able to do to strike, and the cities need to
come up with whatever is going to make them happy.
I assume. I assume that's the way that the cards
are dealt at this point if you helped me out,
if I'm looking at that incorrectly.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
No, you're you're absolutely right. But it's extremely frustrating to
everybody and particularly the towns that suddenly this is their responsibility.
They contracted this company so that this thing that, like
you mentioned, we all take for granted that it is
being done and now it's not by republic. Now the DPW,
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the temporary workers, they are picking up the garbage, but
meanwhile they're not picking up the recycling. Not as serious
of a public health threats, but it is still causing
just a lot of aggravation to people. I am told
that tensions are running very very high at transfer stations
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where people have to take their recycling. As a matter
of fact, man was arrested in Gloucester yesterday. It was
arranged this more on it for an altercation with a
DPW worker at at transfer station in which this man
allegedly bumped his car into this worker.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
That is the idea, what we'll deal with this, So
they will they will pick up the garbage, you know,
the okay, but the what I would call the green
barrels do not uh do people have to bring the
paper goods and plastics to the dump ordinarily or is
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it just during this period of time.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
During this crisis, during this period, during this period of time,
they have to and this has a lot of people
very frustrated because, as you can imagine, without any real
coordination on this, there have been some very long lines
people waiting in their cars in this heats to just
drop off their recycling against something that we've always just
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been able to take for granted.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yep, yep, Well, Kendall, I know you're going to stay
on it, and I'm not even going to ask you
for a prediction because these things are unpredictable, and particularly
when you get a judge involved here.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Kendall is always great to hear your voice, to listen
to your reports. I miss seeing you around the newsroom.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Hey. Like Wise, Dan, hopefully see soon.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And Kendall is around the newsroom. I'm not around the newsroom.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I'm doing my job remotely, so I'm blaming I'm not
blaming myself. I'm happy about that, but I miss seeing
my friends in the newsroom. Thanks Pal, talk soon when
we get back. We're going to talk about the strike
at Fenway Park, and we're not talking about a baseball
traveling ninety three or ninety four miles an hour, and no,
we're talking about a strike of the concessionaires at Fenway Park.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Coming back on nightside
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm felling easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Madison.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
As we wrapped the week up here on a Friday
night tgif it's is the middle of the summer as
we work, this is our last Friday night in the
month of July. And by the way, we have a
little bit of an update here. I think this is important,
a water monitor lizard update. You know, last night we
talked with the deputy chief of the Webster Police Department,
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Gordon Wentworth, and believe it or not, he told me
that a few minutes after he was on our program
last night, and he was on during the the eight
to fifteen segment. He said, about ten minutes later, there
was a sighting of Goose, the water monitor lizard.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Goose is trying to make an escape.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He was spotted in Thompson, Connecticut, across state lines. No
question about whether there's any sort of federal activity involved here,
but Thompson, Connecticut is next to Webster, Massachusetts. Apparently Goose
has gone already about five miles. It sounds like he's
heading south. But we will keep you posted on Goose.
And that's a true story. If you didn't listen last night.
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You probably want to listen to it on Nightside Demand
over the weekend. Last night, some eight pm broadcast eight
pm hour. My name's Dan Raym, the host of Nightside.
Rob Brooks back in the control room. We're going to
get right at it. We have four interesting guests in
this first hour tonight, and we will remind you, just
take one more minute to remind you of a very
(01:32):
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(02:16):
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Speaker 2 (02:39):
Let us begin.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Our conversation with first of four guests tonight delighted to
introduce the director of the Plymouth Pawtuxit Museum, Tom Begley.
Tom Begley, Welcome to Nightside. I think you've been here
with us before, so I want to say welcome back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm doing great, Tanks, Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
We have big news.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Mayflower two is going to set sail after I guess
about a five year hiatus. What's the deal here, what's
going on?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, we're really excited for in the first week of August.
There'll be lots of opportunities for people to see Mayflower
at sale as we undergo our sort of regular Coast
Guard recertification process every five years we go through this
that we're staying ship shape and seaworthy, and between August
fourth through the eighth, Mayflower will be out in the
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water at Plymouth Bay into Kipecod Bay.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, so how far out do you need your binoculars?
And I hope it's not any further than sixteen miles
because then as I understand that you're beyond the horizon.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
No, we won't going that far. We'll be heading out
into the bay sort of towards province down. I think
everybody should be. There'd be a good people, good amount
of advantage points along the coast and Plymouth for visitors
and residents to get a get a chance of seeing
this tall ship underway.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Now it hasn't been on the water in five years?
Is that what I'm going to believe them?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Though, Well, we've been at our pier. We've been at
the state Pier in Implymouth, Massachusetts where we have our
regular exhibit, and we've been there for five years, tied
up to the dock, with occasional winters over with our
friends in Mystic Seaport Museum, undergoing as a captain likes
to say, a shave and a haircut every other winter.
(04:30):
But this is our first time going or being at
sail in five years. Yeah, so we're really excited.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So Connecticut, you're not under sail, you're under the whole way.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, tug Boco is the whole way with us a
tug boat.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So there's no uh, there's no engine blow.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And that's one of the amazing things about Mayflower too,
is it has no engine propulsion on the ship, so
it is fully powered by the wind.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, you would expect that's that's Mayflower obviously, that's the
way it came op. Yeah, its predecessor came over. How
long did Mayflower one last? I mean, obviously I think
everybody knows it arrived sixteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
How any idea as.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
To how long before Mayflower one went to its water grave.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If you will.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, it only lasted a few more years after its
famous voyage across the Atlantic in sixteen twenty. Eventually there's
a we know, there's a record appears when the master
of the ship who sailed the ship sailed it over,
Christopher Jones, when he passed away, his wife was on
the ownership of the ship. And then we see a
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record saying that it was sold in ruins, and so
that tells us that it was probably broken up and
sold for scrap, as so many ships were in that day.
But we believe that when Mayflowers sailed in sixteen two,
it was probably a fairly old ship at that point,
seems to have probably been about twenty five thirty years
old maybe, which would have been putting it at the
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end of its useful run in the seventeenth century.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, so it wasn't destroyed or discarded, it was just
it kind of went the way of a lot of
things in the world naturally. And then how long was
it before Mayflower two, which obviously is a replica of
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Mayflower one as best we know, how when was Mayflower
two created?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, Mayflower two was built between nineteen fifty five and
nineteen fifty seven, and it was built in over in England,
in Brixham, Devon, England. And it was an amazing collaboration
between our museum and a separate group in England called
Project Mayflower. Their founder and our museum's founder, Harry Hornblower,
had had the same idea at the same time. They
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were going to build a Mayflower reproduction of the original Mayflower,
and so our groups were able to come together and
the English group built and sailed the ship across the ocean,
and when it came here the museum has been stewarding
it ever since.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So that's amazing that from I don't know, maybe sixteen
thirty until nineteen fifty seven, the world was without a
May Flowership.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Lots of maritime historians had tried to imagine what it
might have looked like. Several prominent models had been made.
There's a beautiful model that was made early on in
the twentieth century that can be out that can be
seen at Pilgrim Hall Museum in Plymouth. But what our
project did was to take those imaginations and make it
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into actually working plans, into a working ship. And a
brilliant man named William Avery Baker was a naval architect
who from Ingham. He was the guy who kind of
figured it out and you put it all together into
these into like the one of the first really working
reproduction ships of its day, and set off a whole
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new tradition of wooden ship building that was almost in
danger of being gloss if it had not been for
the project.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Just a curious question I asked, curious questions I would
have assumed and obviously you know, the first three letters
of the word assumption.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But I would have assumed that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
The recreation of the Mayflower, once there was some prints
or plans that you got your hands on, would have
been fairly simple. Obviously there was no photographic evidence, there
was no video or film evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But I've got to assume that it's not a complicated ship.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I am. There are so many things, as being a historian,
that I wish we had, you know, more evidence, but
we're always given just enough and that gets, you know,
sort of gets us interested in, you know, asking those
curious questions like you do, and it gets us to
think about, well, what is this, what would it have
looked like? We don't have very much at all about
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what the original Mayflower looked like. The best suggestion is
that Governor William Bradford, in his History of Plymouths Plantation,
wrote that Mayflower had a burden of nine score, which
means it carried about one hundred and eighty tons. And
that was like a measurement in the period about like
a ship's size in a way, and we still use
it today, of course, but Baker, William Avery Baker was
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able to use shipwright calculations from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries,
and did the math, did the algebra, went backwards from that,
having the answer and figured out the equation and was
able to create dimensions that would arrive at a ship
that could hold one hundred and eighty tons. And then
using some pictorial evidence from the period, like paintings of
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other descriptions of merchant ships, because we knew Mayflower was
at least the merchant ship carrying goods all across Europe,
he was able to sort of come to the best
estimate of what the ship would have could have looked like.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Fascinating and all of this, of course can be You
can brush up on this with a visit to the
Plymouth Pawtuxit Museum. Tom Begley is sometimes there. When you're
there you can say hello. And in the next I
guess beginning in the first week of August, people are
going to be able to see the may Mayflower too
(10:37):
under sail. Thanks Tom. It's great to know. And if
people can get more information, what's the website. I know
we haven't asked every question or answered every time of
day and what day it will be under sail?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
How can they get that information.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Check out our website at Plymouth dot org. That's p
L I M O T H dot org and you
can learn even about how you yourself might be able
to onboard the Mayflower if you go and check out
our website.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Very cool, Very cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
All right, Tom Begley, have a great weekend, enjoy the
last Saturday in July. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Have a good one.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, Tom, we come back. We're going to talk
about some research that cautions parents.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And this is important.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Don't you know how they say, Mama, don't let your
babies grow up to be cowboys. Mama, don't let your
babies under the age of thirteen have smartphones.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
We will explain right after the break.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
All right, We're going to introduce you to a licensed
professional counselor. Name is doctor Dean Beckloff, and he is
going to talk about some research that advises parents not
to allow their children under the age of thirteen to
have smartphones. I think I understand this very well, but
(11:59):
I'm sure this aspects of it which you're going to
clarify for me. I think giving a kid almost rather
give a I don't want to say what, I will
must rather give the kid than a smartphone. I think
a smartphone under the age of thirteen is actually destructive
towards all sorts of their mental and brain development. And
(12:20):
I'm not a professional, doctor Beckloff.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Welcome, good, thank you, And I couldn't agree with you more.
I mean, you need to become a psychologist.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Well, you know what, when you do a talk show
for eighteen years after having been a TV reporter for
thirty one years, I think I'm kind of qualified.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
For a degree in psychology to get my drift.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Absolutely, I'll vote for you.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of I deal
with thousands of people every year on my radio talk show,
and it's a wide spectrum of people.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Doctor Beckloff. Maybe some night I should have you back on.
We could talk about.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
People are just amazing. We are all so different, which
is also wonderful. But let's talk about what's the impact
that smartphones have on kids, particularly well kids under the
age of thirteen. Why the age of thirteen. I assume
we're talking about brain formation and things like that.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Yeah, you know, this was a particular study where they
actually studied the ages of thirteen on down and they
concluded that every year below thirteen, the outcomes become worse.
So and some of the outcomes that they talked about
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were sleep disruptions, being exposed to cyber bullying, negative family relationships,
and inability to manage their emotions. Which if these are kids,
if they're having trouble managing emotions, then they're also having
trouble managing behavior. So this is really a problem, and
(14:08):
I think we've been understanding that now. I remember when
phones kind of came into vogue. Yeah, and my kids
had had a foot phone. I mean in high school,
they just that's all they had. But as I've listened
to kids and listened to what they're saying, more and
more kids are saying that their peers have these phones.
(14:32):
So I was talking to that eight year old and
they're like, oh no, nearly everybody in the class has
a phone. I'm the only one that doesn't. So you know,
it's gotten I'm sure you've noticed this too. The age
keeps getting lower and lower. But now we've got research
that shows it's detrimental to kids.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, it's interesting. First of all, is an industry.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's an injury industry, which is intended to make money,
and the way it makes money is addict people to
the product. It's not all that dissimilar from tobacco or
alcohol at its quest I mean, I had to put
it like that. Obviously, tobacco can lead you to lung cancer.
(15:19):
Alcohol can can lead you to alcohol addiction, if you know,
if not used by an adult. But what this does,
it takes a lot of the child's development. And again
I'm not a as you are, I am not a
licensed professional counselor. But kids should be out playing, they
should be talking with other kids, interacting with other kids,
(15:41):
learning how to how to socialize. And looking at your
phone and looking at a bunch of funny videos all
day long or a good portion of the day doesn't
help you at all. At least when they were watching, oh,
you know television, and they were you know, watching for example,
set or you know, barning, there was sort of they
(16:04):
were watching others how they conducted themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
This is a whole different ballgame. This is this is
almost porn in many.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Respects because all they're doing is just feeding stuff to
these kids.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And whether it's you know, funny.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Videos, stupid videos, card crash videos, train crash.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Whatever it is, it's pornography.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It has no redeeming social value for a kid under
the age of thirteen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm off my soapbox.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Go ahead, Dean, Well, I mean, you know, kids are vulnerable. Now,
we're all vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
One of the things that would be helpful, I think
is that if parents would engage in a conversation, especially
with our teenagers and even kids, and letting them know.
You know, I'm I can have a hard time getting
off of the phone too. I can have a hard
time not looking at social media. I can. You know,
we all get pulled in to that blinking screen and
(17:02):
it's it's it's hard to resist it. But you know,
there's a book called The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haate
and he makes the same arguments. Now he's a socialist
psychologist and he's done lots of studies too, and he
feels that three things contribute to a decline and mental
(17:23):
well being of young people, which is smartphones, social media,
and this one is interesting, helicopter parenting. He says, we've
become way too obsessed with the safety of our children,
so we kept them indoors and handed them a phone
and lo and behold when you know it. That's destructive.
(17:47):
So you are so right when you said kids need
to be playing. That's his argument. Kids need to be
out there. And you know, I don't know what you
what your child is the right books. We went everywhere.
My parents expected us to practice the safety rules that
they had taught us.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So we were well, I know, we used to you know,
we played you know, organized sports.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
We had a little league and all of that.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But during the day, during the summertime, we all went
up the field, twelve of us, eighteen of us whatever,
and uh, we took a baseball bat and you bucked
up and one guy was a captain, the other guy
was a captain, and whoever topped off the baseball bat
got to pick people. And you learned that, uh, if
you were a really good player, you were probably gonna
(18:36):
get picked first, and if you're someone who needed to
work you know when you're hitting, you were probably going
to get picked last.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
But there was there was all sorts of.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Social learned social skill about that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We didn't realize it at the time, but you also,
you know, learned maybe you were the smartest kid in
the school, but every game, every one of those games,
you got put out in right field. Now, everybody's got
to get a trophy. Everybody wins. They don't keep score.
You bet we kept score. You bet we kept score.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Hey with basketball, that one never worked with me, So
I got to be the last one chosen. Every time
you learn something from that, Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You do, Yes you learn.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You're not good at everything, and sometimes you got to
work on it to get better.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Simple, He says, the same thing. Don't give any smartphones
to any kid under high school, so it's essentially the
same thing thirteen years old. And if they have to
have something like you know, I understand. I was a
parent when my kids were in middle school. They were everywhere,
(19:49):
so they had that flip phone and we could come
to them. That's what he says. Give them a phone
that has limited apps and no internet browser.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Before ninth time, I almost wish I never got anything
beyond the flip phone I got. I got phones now,
and I have like fifteen thousand emails that I don't
want to get rid of them because I may need
that contact at some point. I know, Doctor Beckloff, how
can folks get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
If they would? If what do you want people to
get in touch with you?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You tell me they can come to our website www
dot d R Beckloft dot com, d R B E
C K L O F s dot com.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's good. And by the way, I keep telling people,
you don't need that www thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's just Drbeckloft dot com. I really enjoyed this conversation.
You're you you. I always like to meet people who
I know are a lot smarter than me, but somehow
think like I do makes me.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Feel like it makes me feel smarter. You've got the intelligence,
I'm telling you. Great, great recommendations there.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Appreciate it, Doctor Dan Beckloff. We will have you back,
my friend. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
All right, take care, all.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right, we get back. We're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Money Magazine's list of best colleges. Four of them are
from Massachusetts. There are no surprises here, okay, so don't
expect a surprise. But we're gonna talk with a reporter
for Boston dot Com, Madison Lucasey, right after the news
break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's nice Side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We are delighted to be joined by Madison Lucaysey. She's
a reporter for Boston dot Com and Madison. First of all,
I'm going to ask a dumb question because I always
want to make sure I understand When you are reporter
for Boston dot com, does that mean you are working
for affiliated with Boston Globe. Who is Boston dot Com?
I see the website all the time. Sometimes I think
(21:52):
I understand what it is, and sometimes I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So I thought I'll ask you the question.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Hi Van, nice to be with you.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
N nice to be with you.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Yeah, Boston dot Com is owned by the Boston Globe,
so we're in the same office right at on State
Street in Boston. We share every newsroom, but we're all
little website that's a little bit different than the Globe.
We publish things without a paywall.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
And yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's great, and thank you for the clarification. It was
an honest question, because you know, I've been in the
business for a long time and I and I do
understand it. But one of the things I always learned
is that when I'm not sure about something, I have
enough confidence self confidence to ask a question. The answer
you gave me is what I suspected, but I but
(22:41):
I appreciate that. So you are in effect bringing us
information from a list of best colleges across the country
from Money dot Com, which I assume is Money magazine.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yes, Money dot Com used to be Money Magazine. They
no longer run a print issue, so now they're just
Money dot Com. Okay, and they just released this list.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yes, well clarification. I't even realized Money magazine was out
of business, and the reason was they never probably had
a subscription to win. But that's tell us how they
rated the best colleges. Hopefully they weren't. They didn't include
some category of you know, high first round NFL draft choices.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
They kept the sports out of it this time. So
money dot Com took information from seven hundred colleges across
the country and rated them on a star rating. So
it's not a ranking system like we usually see about colleges.
So four Massachusetts colleges were given a five star rating
(23:49):
in their best College list based on cost of attendance
in this upcoming academic year, financial aid, graduation rates, median
alumni salary, and more, and were MI T, Harvard, Babson College,
and Williams College.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm not surprised. I mean, there's there's no uh there's
no upset in there. Those are all four great schools.
As a matter of fact, I'm not sure which magazine
it was said that the best college in Massachusetts for
people their first few years in the workforce, uh, in
terms of salary, you know, their financial remuneration was Babson College.
(24:30):
That if you graduated from Babson College, the chances are
that you would have a better starting salary than anyone,
whether it was Harvard, Mit, or wherever as undergraduates. So
Babson is a great school. Everybody knows Williams. You know,
one of the small ivy's Harvard, no question. I know
they held some controversy at this point, but they've been
(24:51):
around a long time, and Mit as well. Since you
told me a couple of things, I don't know. Do
you know why Harvard was founded? Do you know what year?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm sure you know that Harvard was founded in sixteen
thirty six.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Well, of course I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you know why they were founded?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Harvard was founded in sixteen thirty six to educate the
graduates of Boston Latin School, the country's oldest public high school,
which was founded in sixteen thirty five.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
True story. So if you have any friends.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
I didn't know that about BLS.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, well I'm a BLS guy, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Many years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So it's just an interesting fact and I know it
to be true, and that is the genesis of Harvard.
So was there anything in the study that stunned you?
I mean, these are all the equivalent of five star
Michelin restaurants. These are five star money dot com best
(25:55):
colleges in America. Was there any college old beyond the
borders of Massachusetts, because we broadcast in about thirty eight
states right now that is a five star that no
one ever heard of or no one would have expected.
Or are these all pretty predictable calculations and judgments and determinations.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I would say they're all pretty predictable, predictable calculations that
all colleges we've really heard of before. I do think
what shocked me most was, honestly the amount of financially
that these four top colleges give to their students. Because
we all hear about the hefty price tags year over
year tuitions rising, cost of attendance is rising, but so
(26:41):
is their financial aid. I was really surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, when you look at the endowment that for example,
a school like Harvard has, I mean, I think it's
up around fifty two.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Fifty three billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, you can help a lot of people there and
some of the other schools. I mean it very successful
school Williams and yeah, I think what people need to
understand is and we do a college admission show every
year with the deans of Admissions from Boston College with
(27:14):
the different titles and Harvard. Bill Fitzimmons from Harvard has
been with us every year for seventeen years. And Harvard
is always prided itself on making moneies available to qualified students,
and they also try to find kids with different stories.
I mean all of us as parents when our kids
go to you're too young to be a parent. I
(27:36):
can tell from talking to you that when it comes
to your kids are taking their SAT exams, everybody focuses
on the SATs the acts. But a lot of the
really elite schools like these four you know, MIT might
be a little bit more mathematically concentrated and focused on acts,
(28:00):
S A T S. But Williams Great Liberal Arts School, Babson,
although obviously that's a financial school with a with a
lot of emphasis on on math and science, that they're
looking for kids who had different stories, you know, kids
who come out of difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Maybe not kids from New England.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Maybe they're all looking for kids from from parts of
the country and even parts of the world that you that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You don't expect.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And and that's why this whole thing with the Trump
administration and Harvard is so controversial and uh so fraught.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
With with people talking past each other. I think.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's it's it's an interesting time. Did you go to
school up in this neck of the woods man Medicine.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I am actually still in college. I am an Emerson
College student. I've just taken a pause from my studies
to work at Boston dot Com for for this semester,
and then I'll be headed right back down or soon
to finish my journalism degree.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well how about that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
That's that is great because I got to tell you,
there used to be when I was in television back
in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, we used to have
really smart interns, many of whom went on to get
full time careers in television, and all of those internship
programs have, sadly in the last twenty years, been either
cut dramatically or eliminated.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And what you're doing now.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Is going to literally pave the foundation for a career
in the business. And you're able to develop that that
scrap book, you don't call it a scrap book anymore,
but a resume of some of your writings and stuff.
That's going to be rock a field when you graduating
from Emerson. And Emerson is a great school. Do you
(29:52):
know my friend one of the deans over there, louisne
Reeb by.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Any chance, so of course, she's the chair of our
journalism department.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It was probably one of the best people I ever
worked with in television. So when you see Louis Reed,
I please give her my best. Okay, she's she's She
was a great, a great colleague and always had my
back even when I was doing stories that some people
didn't quite understand going after the FBI asked her about that,
(30:21):
and so she'll tell you a couple of stories.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Okay, I'll relay that message and I'll ask her about that.
That sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I think I think you. I think she will. She
knows it as well as I do. She was with
me every step of the way. Thanks Madison. Madison Lukeasey
Lucasey of Boston dot Com. You can find this just
go to money dot com best colleges list, and it
may be that you don't want to go to college
in New England and you can look around and find
(30:49):
another five star rated college. I think the article I
read it quickly. Are there about forty colleges nationwide that had.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This five star rating? Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
So it's a very selective five star rating. They didn't
give out a lot of five stars, and we have
four of them here in Massachusetts, as is our want.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Madison. I enjoyed the conversation. I hope to have you back.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Thanks so much, Dan, anytime.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You bet you them.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Madison Lacasey, reporter for The Boston for Boston dot Com.
Back on nights side, we're going to talk with Kendall Bull,
an extraordinary reporter at WBZ news Radio, about the ongoing
Republic Services Tracks Collection Collector labor strike. And then at
nine o'clock we're going to talk about the strike that
is ongoing outside of Fenway Park. The concessionaires did, as
(31:39):
many of them told us last night. When the clock
hit noon today, the strike became official and they have
been walking since then, and we'll hopefully get some updates
and we'll maybe even eventually talk to some people who
went to the game tonight and see if there were
people in the stands selling the products that you associate
(32:00):
with baseball games, hot dogs and beer. Back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
All right, I'm delighted to be well.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Welcome, old friend and colleague, Kendall Bull, WBZ News reporter. Extraordinary,
Hey Kendall, how are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Great and great to be with you, my.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Friend, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You have been on the republic Services trash collector beat,
not as a trash collector, but as a reporter. What's
the latest? I listened to one of your reports today
that there are Gloucester DPW crews now actually cleaning up
trash in that city.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Set it up for us.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
How many cities are involved in our communities are involved
in this strike, Hight.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
They're about about a dozen, and six of them have
taken republic to court. They had a hearing on Tuesday
in which the lawyers argued that Republicans did a public
health crisis due to this and that's what we were
looking at this morning, going out to a couple of
the communities on the north Shore to see just how
bad the crisis had gotten. That hearing was Tuesday, and
(33:14):
the intervening days. Of course, we've had some days that
you just don't want piles of garbage to be sitting.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I haven't gotten spontaneously better, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
No, they absolutely haven't. But you know what I did find, Dan,
I did find that there aren't the piles of garbage.
I found one neighborhood in Gloucester where a lot had
been piled up on the street, but I was told
that it would be gone by the end of the day,
and that, of course, as you mentioned, thanks to the DPW.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
You know, Dan, I kind of.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Consider dps to be the unsung heroes of their communities.
They keep things plugging along behind the scenes, but I
will tell you their raisers are being sung. In the
communities that I was at where those gpw's are working,
people are seeing them out there working some very long
(34:07):
hours and some very tough conditions out there in the heats,
making sure that they are getting that that trash collected.
So you were really you were in Gloubster, right yes,
and also Beverly.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, what are they doing in Beverly?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Same thing, the same thing right now. Beverly residents every
evening are getting a phone call from Mayor Kyhill and
he tells them what happened earlier that day as far
as trash collection, and who can expect their trash to
be collected the next day? It's they tell me, really
keeping them on their toes.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, you know, when you think about it, I live
in a community, and I'm sure you live in a
community where.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Trash is collected. It's always the same, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
For us, it's every Wednesday, and you've got to get
the barrels out there the night before. You got to
make sure that they're closed up nice and tied so
that none of the local animals, you know, the coyotes
or whatever is around can tip them over.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And then you got to bring them in the next day.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And if they happen to go come by and collect
at seven o'clock and you sleep in that day, or
they're a little early or whatever and you missed the collection,
you got to hold on to it for an extra week.
What's the status of the strike? Obviously the strike is
still on. I'm going to talk next hour about the
concession concession strike at Fenway Park. Maybe next week we'll
(35:33):
get to this trash collection strike.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
How far are they apart? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Well, you have the lawsuits, both sides made their arguments
and a hearing on Tuesday. There was no ruling by
the judge at the time for the relief that those
communities are looking for. We're not sure when there is
going to be ruling. And then you have each community
doing what it on to move things forward in the
(36:03):
case of Laster, for instance, the DPW, and then you
have Republic bringing in some temporary workers. And I spoke
to a lot of people Dan who feel really conflicted
about this. I talked to one person in Beverly union guys,
a member of the firefighters union, and he said to me,
he said, listen, I really want to back these striking workers,
(36:27):
but at the same time, it's not at the expense
of our families. They're feeling really conflicted over this whole thing.
And there's that feeling of conflict too when they hear
that there are, for all intentsive purposes, scabs who are
going to be collecting their garbage. They don't like that idea,
but they want their garbage collected.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, you know the other thing too, that when you
think about it, in Massachusetts, police, fire teachers are not
supposed to strike. There's such a critical public service. Now,
there have been efforts by legislators at different times to
you know, maybe change.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That law, but that's the law as I understand it. Now.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The teachers' unions have gone out in the last few
years and they have struck, and there hasn't been much
of a penalty on for those for those teachers unions,
So the trash collector collectors are just as important to
public health and safety. But I assume there's nothing that
(37:32):
prevents them from striking. Legally, there isn't. And yes, we
have seen the teacher strikes. You will not see a
police or firefighter strike because that would deal a huge
blow to public safety. But that's exactly the argument that
these communities are making in court right now.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
They're saying that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
If they have a right to strike, they should be
able to do to strike, and the cities need to
come up with whatever is going to make them happy.
I assume. I assume that's the way that the cards
are dealt at this point if you helped me out,
if I'm looking at that incorrectly.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
No, you're you're absolutely right. But it's extremely frustrating to
everybody and particularly the towns that suddenly this is their responsibility.
They contracted this company so that this thing that, like
you mentioned, we all take for granted that it is
being done and now it's not by republic. Now the DPW,
(38:30):
the temporary workers, they are picking up the garbage, but
meanwhile they're not picking up the recycling. Not as serious
of a public health threats, but it is still causing
just a lot of aggravation to people. I am told
that tensions are running very very high at transfer stations
(38:52):
where people have to take their recycling. As a matter
of fact, man was arrested in Gloucester yesterday. It was
arranged this more on it for an altercation with a
DPW worker at at transfer station in which this man
allegedly bumped his car into this worker.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
That is the idea, what we'll deal with this, So
they will they will pick up the garbage, you know,
the okay, but the what I would call the green
barrels do not uh do people have to bring the
paper goods and plastics to the dump ordinarily or is
(39:34):
it just during this period of time.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
During this crisis, during this period, during this period of time,
they have to and this has a lot of people
very frustrated because, as you can imagine, without any real
coordination on this, there have been some very long lines
people waiting in their cars in this heats to just
drop off their recycling against something that we've always just
(39:57):
been able to take for granted.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yep, yep, Well, Kendall, I know you're going to stay
on it, and I'm not even going to ask you
for a prediction because these things are unpredictable, and particularly
when you get a judge involved here.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Kendall is always great to hear your voice, to listen
to your reports. I miss seeing you around the newsroom.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Hey. Like Wise, Dan, hopefully see soon.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
And Kendall is around the newsroom. I'm not around the newsroom.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I'm doing my job remotely, so I'm blaming I'm not
blaming myself. I'm happy about that, but I miss seeing
my friends in the newsroom. Thanks Pal, talk soon when
we get back. We're going to talk about the strike
at Fenway Park, and we're not talking about a baseball
traveling ninety three or ninety four miles an hour, and no,
we're talking about a strike of the concessionaires at Fenway Park.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
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