September 22, 2025 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows . . .Common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money, Power, and Everyday Life
Guest: Steven Pinker, PhD - Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard University – author of this new book
Prostate Cancer Awareness Month
Guest: Ed Randall - Founder + Chief Advocacy Officer of Fans For The Cure
Is ‘career catfishing’ real? What is it and what do you need to be on the lookout for? Guest: Johnnie Garmon - founder and managing partner of The Perissos Group, a mission-driven consulting business
Does Tylenol Use during Pregnancy Cause Autism?
Guest: Dallas Reed, MD, Chief of Genetics and an OB/GYN at Tufts Medical Center
When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows . . .Common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money, Power, and Everyday Life
Guest: Steven Pinker, PhD - Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard University – author of this new book
Prostate Cancer Awareness Month
Guest: Ed Randall - Founder + Chief Advocacy Officer of Fans For The Cure
Is ‘career catfishing’ real? What is it and what do you need to be on the lookout for? Guest: Johnnie Garmon - founder and managing partner of The Perissos Group, a mission-driven consulting business
Does Tylenol Use during Pregnancy Cause Autism?
Guest: Dallas Reed, MD, Chief of Genetics and an OB/GYN at Tufts Medical Center
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Eazy
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good evening, everybody, walk home on into another week of Nightside.
I'll be here all week Monday through Friday, and Rob
will be here all week I assume correct, Rob Monday
through Friday. Okay, good, great, So we know who's going
to be here, no problem. I hope all of you
will be here every night Monday through Friday, from eight
until midnight. My name's Dan Ray. I'm the host of
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nights Side, and pretty soon we are wrapping up year eighteen,
and on October first, we will start year nineteen, which
is no easy feat. Trust me, doing this show for
eighteen years has been a lot of fun. Got to
meet a lot of new people, got to know a
lot of people, some of them by telephone over the years.
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But I've made a lot of friends. And let us
continue on into your nineteen beginning on October first. We'll
talk more about that as we get closer to that date. Tonight,
we have two major topics we're going to talk to
at nine o'clock, going to talk about the controversy over
a couple of religious statutes, the patron saints of police
and fire departments in Quincy. We'll be talking with the
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mayor of Quincy, Mayor Tom Coke, about his decision on
these statues. And we will then at ten o'clock tonight
talk with Jeff Robbins, who is pretty upset what's been
going on at the United Nations this week of a
bunch of countries including UK, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada,
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which is decided to endorse formally recognize the Palestinian State.
I think France has just done it today as well.
Catch the latest onne that with Jeff Robbins, who he
himself had been a representative of the Clinton administration at
the United Nations. We'll get to all of that, but
first we have four interesting guests tonight, and we're going
to start off with a guest who's familiar with this program,
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Professor Stephen Pinker Hounston Professor John Stone, professor of psychology
at Harvard University, who has written a new book, Welcome back,
Professor Pinker. Interesting times these days at Harvard.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
University all too interesting. I like it better when things
were boring.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, well they're never boring, but it's very interesting. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Some night we'll talk and I've been listening to you.
How long have you been on Boston radio and TV?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, television for thirty one years? Scanned thirty one years,
and then we're starting year nineteen on this talk show. Hi.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Can you add them up and get fifty? Yes, sir,
I've been listening and watching you for that entire time.
So it's honored to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thank you well, professor, honor honored to have you on
the show when you're with us before, thank you so much.
You have written a book, new book when everyone Knows
that everyone knows common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money
Power and every Day. You'll be talking about your book
later this week on Friday night, September twenty sixth, at
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the First Parish Church through the Harvard Bookstore. We can
get to that in a moment, but the title is fascinating,
When everyone knows that everyone knows common knowledge in the
Mysteries of Money Power and everyday life. Tell us the
book in your own words. It's purpose and it's subject matter.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yes, it's subject matter is the difference between private knowledge,
where everyone knows something, and common knowledge. It's a technical term.
When everyone knows that everyone knows something. So I know something,
you know it. I know that you know it. You
know that I know it, I know that you know
that I know it, ad infinitum. And it sounds impossible.
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It sounds like no one could possibly keep track of
all that. I know that, she knows that I know
she knows. We do it whenever we have a sense
that something is out there or self evident or conspicuous,
or in your face. That when you see someone seeing
the same thing you're saying and they can see you
seeing it, that kind of gives you common knowledge in
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one stroke. So The Emperor's New Clothes is a story
about common knowledge. When the little boy said the Emperor
was naked, he wasn't telling anyone anything they didn't already know.
They knew the Emperor was naked. But he did change
their knowledge because now everyone knew that everyone else knew
the emperor was naked, and that changed their relationship with
the emperor from deference and respect to laughter and scorn.
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So social relationships depend a lot on common knowledge. Power
depends on common knowledge, money and financial solvency depend on
common knowledge. It doesn't give an example, what if a
bank run. A bank run is when people get nervous
that other people are going to withdraw money from the bank.
They're worried that the bank may not be able to
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cover their deposits if everyone withdraws them at once. They
may not even think that other people think there's anything
wrong with the bank. They might think that other people
think that other people think there's something wrong with the bank,
and they wanted there's still want to be the last one.
It's kind of like during COVID when we had toilet
paper shortages. Yes, as it happened, there wasn't really a
shortage of toilet paper that when people stayed home and
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instead of using the jumbo rolls at work, they had
to buy the sharmon from from CDs. You know, the
toilet paper makers stepped up demand. But the thing is
that as soon as the rumor got out that there
might be a shortage, then people ran out so that
they wouldn't be left without and that created the shortage
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when there wasn't a shortage, because everyone expecting everyone else
to expect everyone else to do something.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well in New England. When you're in New England, I
believe by birth. Correct me if I'm wrong. But every
time there's a snowstorm. What do we all do bread
and milk? We just buy as much bread and milk,
bread and milk at the grocery store. So is common knowledge?
Then I assume that common knowledge as a benefit to
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society because we have some things in common. But there
also can be a detrimental impact.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Absolutely, so all of our social coordination depends on common knowledge.
We drive on the right because we know everyone else
knows that everyone else knows you drive on the right.
There's no reason to drive on the right necessarily. I
mean in England they do just find driving on the left,
but there's every reason to drive from the same side
as everyone else. Or to use currency. Why do you
accept a piece of green paper in exchange for something
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of value because you know other people will accept it?
And why will they accept it because they know other
people will accept it?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It may not be around much longer, by the way,
if some have their way.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Right well, you know, and in some countries you can
get hyperinflation and the currency becomes worthless because people stop
believing in it. Exactly will pass? Okay, One other example
from the book. I have a lot of examples of
everyday life, but a bit more than a year ago,
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Joe Biden had a debate with Donald Trump, and prior
to that debate, the percentage of Americans who thought that
he might be cognitive what declining was about sixty seven percent.
After the debate, it was about seventy two percent. So
it didn't move the needle that much in terms of
what people believed. But what it did, the reason it
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changed everything is well, now everyone knew that everyone else
knew it because it was on a broadcast a debate,
and you just knew the whole country was watching. So
what you knew was now something that you knew everyone
else knew, and that marked the end of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
A quick consensus was developed. I remember watching it that
night and trying to be overly fear. I didn't want
to characterize it as a total and complete disaster for
the then president, but I certainly said it was not
his finest moment. In fact, I could have gone quite further.
I was trying to be I was in my reportorial
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mode of being to be fair, but it was.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Because it didn't really can say a lot of new information,
but now it wasn't is no longer deniable. Now it
was a mass social phenomenon. That's the difference. And by
the way, going back to the toilet paper, I tried
to find out where did this. Where do people get
the idea that before a hurricane, before a blizzard, you
got to stock up on toilet paper. It may have
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gone back to a monologue by Johnny Carson in the seventies.
Now this is an era. I mean you remember it,
and I remember there are only three networks, and you know,
most people watched Johnny Carson night. He's the king of
late night. And the thing is, when you watched him,
you knew everyone else was watching him. One night, he
told a joke. He said, we've had all kinds of
shortages lately, and there were there as shortages of you know,
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gasoline and their meat and coffee. Yeah, and he said,
and to hear the latest, I read it in the papers,
there's a shortage of toilet paper. They got a laughter
that there was no shortage of toilet paper until he
made the joke, and then because he made it, there
was a shortage of toilet paper well the nation because
everyone knew that everyone watches Johnny Carson, so all these
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other people are going to be porting a toilet paper
so I better not be the last one. And ever
since then there has been a kind of common knowledge
that in an emergency toilet papers in short supply.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
This is a This is a brilliant topic. And I
suspect a lot of people are going to love this book.
Now tell me about the event, not that everyone can
get to the first parish church that's in Cambridge. I assume, Oh.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, it's in Harvard Square. It is the church. You
can't miss it. It's the church that's on the Church
Street and mass af like one block away from the
clock on in front of the coop, So it's a
pretty conspicuous spot. And I'll be in conversation with my
Harvard colleague Danielle Allen.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And that's what time on Friday evening or.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is it's seven p m. Harvard Bookstore is sponsoring it.
But there they can't shut all those people into the bookstore.
So they're going to sit in the pews of a
beautiful church.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So well give them, give them your blessing to buy
the book. Professor Stephen Pinker, the Johnstone Professor of Psychology
at Harvard University, Uh, you never disappoint here on nightside.
Whatever the subject, and love to get your back in
longer form, perhaps later on this month or early in
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early October. Thanks so much. Best of that, I'll do
it when everyone knows that everyone knows dot dot dot
common knowledge and the mysteries of money power in everyday life.
This is one that will make you think and probably
will make you feel pretty good that you're gonna you're
gonna read a book from a Harvard professor here, Harvard
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professor of psychology that you're going to understand. So I
would recommend it highly. Thanks so much to Professor Stephen Pinker.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thanks so much. A pleasure.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right back at you. We get back to talk about
a less pleasant subject, but something that everyone should be
concerned about, well certainly every man should be concerned, and
there's Spouses Prostate Cancer Awareness. Mo'm going to be talked
with Ed Randall, founder and Chief Advocacy officer of Fans
for the Cure. Kind of an amazing program they're running,
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which I think you'll appreciate and it will emphasize to
all of us that we have to be very careful
about our PSA numbers and we need to be concerned
about prostate cancer. Will be back on nightside right after
this quick break on a Monday night. It's September twenty second.
For those of you who are keeping score.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Like to welcome Ed Randall. He's the founder in chief
advocacy officer of Fans for the Cure. Ed has a
background in professional baseball. And this is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month,
and in conjunction with some major league teams, you're helping
men find out if they are in danger of prostate cancer.
(12:18):
You're running, You've been running at the ballparks I know,
I think Shay Stadium and Yankee Stadium in in fact
clinics where men can give a blood test and be
tested for prostate cancer.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Welcome n and wonderful to be with you. Thank you
for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So tell us what the plan is here? Why Fans
for the Cure. This sort of has a little bit
of a baseball aspect to it that I want to
emphasize as well as just the general caution, particularly for
minority men, about prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
And I'm I'm glad you brought that up. I'm a
prostate cancer survivor. I was diagnosed at the age of
forty seven. Dan would which is quite young for this,
and went to the doctors who are routine annual physical
and then it was flagged. And the bottom line was
I felt fine that day because prostate cancer at this
earliest stages has no symptoms. And when I went into
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after the prostate cancer was removed with a procedure, and
I went into my two favorite words in the English
language in remission, I said to myself, on the day
I was diagnosed, I felt fine. And there's a ninety
nine percent curiate of prostate cancers detected early, and there
could be tens hundreds thousands of guys out there like
me walking around feeling fine, thinking they were fine. We
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got to get to those guys to educate them and
let them let them know that the simple blood test
will save their lives. One man in this country, dan
dies from prostate cancer every fifteen minutes, and according to
the American Cancer Society, with thirty four thousand men are
expected to die in twenty twenty five from prostate cancer,
many because they're just was detected late in the game,
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after it had already spread and displayed sentence. But ninety
nine percent curate of prostate cancers detected early and that's
what we do.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well with thirty four thousand men that almost phills Fenway
Park dying of prostate cancer in the year. So you've
been running these clinics at major League Baseball games.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yes, Earlier this year we were at the Mets before
and during a game at City Field in May.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We screened three hundred and three men.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
That day, we were out in Seattle with the Mariners,
who welcomed us for the second year with them doing
screening in the middle of the season before and during
a game at the Kansas City Royals, and two days later,
Dan I get word, twelve men were found to have
elevated PSAs. Please God, we hope it's not cancer, but nonetheless,
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if we hadn't had the screening, how would they know.
And this coming Thursday night we will be in Yankee
Stadium for our thirteenth little screening before and during their
game with the Chicago White Sox. And over the past
twelve years we screened more than two thousand men.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
This is a great project. There's thirty two Major League
Baseball teams or whatever the number is. Can we get
every major league team to do this? I mean, it's
got to be a tremendous effort by your organization.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I've spent my life around baseball on the air.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I've had a blessed life being able to hang around
the game, have many friends in the game.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
In June, I have a information table on Father's Day
where you know, Dan, there's a particular focus on prostate
cancer at about that time of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then they had me come out and throw.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Out the throw the first pitch and it was just
a great thrill and the Phillies treated us so very well.
Our mission is to tell men that Fans for the
Cure is with them, to accompany them through their journey
of prostate cancer. We don't want anybody to be alone.
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We don't want anybody to be uninformed. And if anybody
needs a doctor, we have a medical advisory board of
dozens of the greatest gurologists in this country. And you
are heard in what thirty eight forty states with this
fabulous signal on WBZ. If anybody needs a doctor, they're
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welcome to be in touch with us at info at
Fans Forothecure dot org and we will get them help.
We want no empty chairs on Thanksgiving, no empty chairs
on Kwanza. No empty chairs on Christmas, no empty chairs
on Hanukkah.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Info at Fans for the Cure dot com and that's
all one word. Info at Fans for the Cure dot com.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And actually it's dot org. It's yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So you're you're a nonprofit, you're a charity as well?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And can people support the cause? Are they ways people
can contribute and help you do the great work you're doing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yes, we have a donate button at Infowred Fans for
thee Cured dot org and they are welcome to contribute
to our ever widening mission of getting to as many
people as we possibly can, most especially, and you referenced
this earlier in the African American community, where the incidents
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of prostate cancer is two to three times higher than
it is in the white community. And we're going to
African American churches. I had the privilege Dan of ringing
the closing bell at the New York Stock Exchanges past Thursday,
and I invited some friends of ours from the Abyssinian
Baptist Church, which is perhaps the nation's most well known.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
African American church, with me.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
We're going to be speaking to their congregation very shortly
and we feel a tremendous commitment to that community, and
that's what it is. Yes, we have this baseball identity,
but it's about getting out into the communities to spread
our mission of prostate cancer awareness and education.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well again, Ed Randall, thank you very much for what
you do. Fans for the Cure info at Fansfothecure dot org.
Caution nothing to check it out, folks, and it might
save your life or the life for someone you love.
And thank you so much. This was perfect. Appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And thank you great.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Walk with you all right when we get back after
the news at the bottom of the hour, we're going
to talk about a concept called career catfishing. We will
explain what it is, and then later on at A
forty five, we're going to be talking with doctor Dallas Reid.
She's the chief of genetics and an OBGYN doctor physician
at Tofts Medical Center. Obviously we did not time it
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this way, but we're going to talk about what thailan
all and it's it's potential impact during pregnancy and is
it a cause of autism. I don't think doctor Reid
agrees with that, despite what the President said, and we
will talk about that perhaps, if not later tonight tomorrow.
The president's statements today, A lot of controversy about that,
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but we'll be back with first. Johnny Garman, founder and
managing partner of a mission driven consulting business, talking about
career catfishing. I will explain what it means. Yes, I
didn't quite understand it either, but I can explain it
as can Johnny Garment back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Night Side with Dan Ray IBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, the phrase career catfishing is probably one that a
lot of us are not familiar with. I had to
sort of look it up. Catfishing is a phrase that
is often used in terms of the dating community when
people don't represent themselves accurately. Career catfishing. Well, it's the
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same idea, but in a different context. Johnny Garman, foundering
managing partner at Paras Parasos Group. Is that the correct pronunciation?
Johnny Garmon, You got it? Okay, A mission driven consulting business.
What's career catfishing? I read some materials here and people
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are being tricked into accepting jobs that they really don't like.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, it's going both ways. From what I'm seeing and
what I'm hearing from my colleagues and other companies that
I consult with. It's really becoming an issue. People are
putting out things that to really promote in a certain
way that is not reality. And it's going on both sides. Dan,
It's not just the employer, it's the employee, and they're
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both doing it, and they seems to be getting worse.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Why would And first of all, I can understand why
an employee or an unemployed might buff up their resume,
you know, you know, I think that's what you're talking about.
If I'm if I'm not accurate, please feel free to
correct me. You're the expert here. I'm not. But why
would companies hold out promises and in virtues of a job,
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because when someone finally gets the job, it ain't all
it's cracked up to be.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
What you do that Well, there's one word. It's called desperation,
and desperation on both ends of the table. And you've
got you've got employers that are desperate for confident, highly
motivated employees that are dependable and quite frankly, one that
they can afford. And then on the employee side, they're
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looking for stability, They want high wages, they want to
make as much as they can, and uh, you know,
especially the generation disease, they want meaningful work that connects
them to purpose. So you know, when the with with
the employers out here trying to retain and get people
who have the hard skills and the soft skills, Uh,
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they're really trying to uh put the lipstick on, so
to speak, to really look attractive to these to these
to these would be employees.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Is this across all sectors? I mean, I'm assuming that
you know that we have big companies Amazon and all
the big super companies, uh, and then you have you know,
some family owned businesses in different places. Is this a
practice that is more endemic to one type of company
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versus others?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Not necessarily companies. We're seeing it throughout the industry. We
see it a lot in healthcare. We're seeing it in
some of the retail markets as well. And again, I
think it just goes back to people really wanting to
look for talent and everybody putting their best foot forward,
really downplaying obviously the weaknesses that they have or the
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culture that the businesses may be talking about. Hey, we
have this type of perk or this type of this
incentive here, and the employees go in, they have an
expectation they may be in thirty days, sixty days in
and they're going, this is not what I signed up for.
But again it's going both ways, and I think it
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comes down to people.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Really.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The market has shifted, as we know after COVID, still
there's a lot of industry still try to get people
back into the office. There's still a push the or
people not wanting to come back. There's still that feeling there.
So I really think it does come down as desperation
and it can help you in the short run, but
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obviously two or three months in as someone leaves, the
turnover costs is enormous and you're just right back to
square one. So there's a better way of doing it, Dan,
We don't need to do it this way, but people
need to know the right questions to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So what's the better way to do it for the
employer perspective and from the employee perspective. First of all,
everybody should start being truthful.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I guess they do.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
They do, But the quality of our communication really is
the quality of our questions. So let's start asking better
questions and I actually just wrote a book about it's
called Failure Disrupted, and it's in the book about how
to ask better questions to get better answers. But I
would tell all the employees, look, when you're talking to
your employer or prospective employer, don't ask about just the
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job responsibilities and the job description. Those tend to change.
Those can change easily and quickly over time. Ask more
specifically about the job outcomes. They tend to be more stables.
Here's the responsibilities. I'm more interested in one of the outcomes.
If I was the best hire you would have for
this position, what was in my consistent outcomes I would
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achieve for you in the next ten or twelve months.
Get really specific on that. That can help with some
of them miscommunication and mis expectations. And then just be clear.
Radical transparency is what I say. You have to interrogate
reality with these people and say, what are two aspects
of the job that I don't really know about that
I need to know about. What are some of those things?
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So let's set each other up for success. And yes,
tell me about the purpose, but also tell me about
the things that I don't want to know. And that's
the thing I need to know the most. Just asking
those two questions and just tweaking the conversation can really
help out a lot for the employees.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So who would, your opinion, is more responsible for opening
up honest communications in these settings, the employer or the
prospective employee.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Well, no one cares about your job as much as
you do as the employee. In the perfect world, it
should be the managers, the HR leaders, the people the
employer who's actually leading this. But unfortunately, Dan, a lot
of these people don't have that skill set themselves either. Again,
they have a job to do. They're trying to fill
a position and they're trying to get it back as
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quickly as possible, and many times and they rush through
the process. But it should be led by a really
good organization and of quite frankly, if they're not able
to do that, that's telling you something about it to
begin with, Right, there's some there's some clues there that
I would quite frankly pick up and be concerned with.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And a lot and a lot of companies are getting
rid of or or cutting back greatly on any sort
of human resources personnel.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Mm hmm, Yeah, A lot more is going to the
AI chat box, which is what into the ghosting problem.
So that's the other thing one of the articles talks
about is they have the cat fishing problem, but then
you have the ghosting problem, and that has certainly been
talked about in dating. I got two teenage daughters and
they can talk about ghosting. But that's a real concern
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as well. And my advice to employees with regards to
ghosting is, if you're in the inner you don't leave
the interview without the action item and a follow through
date and time for the next action to occur. So,
in other words, don't just lean and say, well, great,
this has been a great conversation, I hope to hear
from you, because you are going to get ghost and
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you're you're very likely to leave with another expectation, another
action item for a follow through. Hey I'm gonna expect
to hear from you at this time that date. And
then there's some other things we do we teach as well.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But yeah, okay, so now if either employees or employers
can go to your website and get in touch with
you and and maybe pick up some information. So what
is the the website. I know it's the Parasos Group,
which is tough to spell. P E R I S
S O S. Give us the website.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
That's it, you actually have it. It's the Parasos group
dot com. The E R I, S, S O S
and parasites just means abundance. It means overflow. Dot com.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Is that Greek the word? What's the derivation? Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
John?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And John and the Bible said I came to give
you Paris and parises to the full.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That means abundance.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, they can check me out there.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Sounds great, Johnny Garman, I appreciate it very much. We'll
talk again. Thank you very much. You helped me get
a lot of people tonight on both sides of the
bargaining table.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Absolutely, Thank you. Dan, have a good night.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Very welcome. We get back on to talk about Tylan
and all. President talked about Tiland all this afternoon, talked about,
uh the impact that might have and is there a
relationship to autism. I don't think that doctor Dallas read
is going to find much in what the White House
said today is being accurate and fully truthful. But we
will talk with doctor Dallas Reid. Talk with her. She's
(28:47):
the chief of Genetics OBG ob g y N at
Tufts Medical Center. Right after this quick break on.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Nightside, You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wb
the Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
President Trump today UH and Secretive of Health and Human
Services Robert F. Kennedy Junior made a very interesting announcement
dealing with thailanol, the use of thailanol during pregnancy and
whether or not it contributed to a child an infant
(29:24):
becoming autistic. With us is doctor Dallas Reid.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
UH.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
She's the chief of Genetics genetics and an obg y
N at Tufts Medical Center. Uh. Doctor Reid, I believe
that the President and R. F. K Junior today are
not in line with the majority of thought within the
medical community. Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Thank you for having me, and I would agree with that.
There are you know, many many studies looking at a
CEDOMNFA and an autism risk, and all of the reputable
studies have not really shown an association and certainly not
a causal link, meaning that a set of minifin does
cause autism that has not been shown in reputable research.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah. Again, I know a little bit about autism because
I did a lot of work for about twenty years
with the New England Center for Children out in self.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Browners, I'm sure you're familiar with them.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Had founded Vincent Stroli had found it out there, and
aside from coming away with a great deal of respect
and admiration for parents of these children, in some cases
grown children who are autistic, one of the things that
I realized is that autism is tough because it's it's
(30:53):
a spectrum condition, meaning some people but very obviously and
some people can have a light touch of Aspergers, which
is on the autism spectrum. Is that what makes it
so hard to figure out the cause. I mean, everybody
says there's more cases and incidents of autism now than
ever before. No one seems to know why, but it
(31:17):
is a it's a tough diagnosis. And again I don't
want to put you in conflict with the President or
with RFK Junior, but there were some medical people at
that within that group today who stood behind the President
and seemed to suggest this might have an impact. How
(31:42):
should the public deal with that information? I mean, there's
a whole bunch you know, there's a whole bunch of
things you can have in your medicine cabinet and tail
and hall doesn't have to be there. What advice would
you give to people who going to be pretty confused
by this, I guess is what I'm asking, And that
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might be an unfair question if it is.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
No, No, I think it's a perfectly fair question, and one
I'm going to get, you know, probably every day this
week and for weeks to come, you know, with this news.
I think you bring up some really good points. You know,
why is it so hard to understand why the incidence
of autism has gone up? And I think you bring
(32:26):
up one really good point is that autism, although we
say the word autism, it's really an umbrella term for
many different neurodevelopmental diagnoses, and so we know that every
case of autism does not look like every other case
of autism, and that there's probably some type of subgroups
within the category of autism. I think the other thing
(32:46):
that makes it really challenging from a research perspective is
that we know that autism is what's called a multifactorial condition,
which means that it's a combination of genetic and non
genetic factors. And so when you're doing research to look
for how one factor or one contribution may be affecting
(33:08):
the chances of developing autism. You really have to do
a few different things to control for those other factors,
and a lot of the larger studies are more recent
studies that have shown an association between a stamenifine and
autism risk did not do a great job of that.
They weren't able to or did not adequately control for
(33:31):
the genetic background that exists within an individual or within
a family that can contribute to autism. They also had
differing ways of approaching how they categorized someone as having autism.
So some of the studies, instead of looking at an
actual clinical diagnosis by a professional that it is their
(33:52):
job to diagnose autism, they may have looked at questionnaires
that were given to teachers or to parents to say,
you know, does the child have some features of autism.
While that is really helpful and as a screening tool
to determine, you know, which children need to have further
evaluation for autism, it doesn't. It's not diagnostic. It's not
(34:12):
saying that they do have autism. And so it's obviously
easier to do a question there than to do a
full clinical evaluation, which sometimes studies do. And then the
third thing I'll say is that oftentimes the studies are
doing sort of a retrospective analysis, so they're getting a
cohort of children that have autism, and they're asking their
parents did you ever take tilanol or a scene of
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benefit during pregnancy? Did you take this? Did you take that?
What exposures did you have? Which can cause something called
a recall bias, where you know, potentially people who have
a child with a condition may over represent the fact
that they may have had that exposure. And the better
way to do that is prospectively following a pregnancy all
the way through and just asking what medicines are you
(34:54):
taking right now, when have you taken them, and then
see if a child develops autism and compare groups that way.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Tyland Hall has had an interesting history. I'm sure you
remember that in the I think it was the mid
nineteen eighties, there was some there was a guy out
of Cambridge, I have no idea how it ended up,
and he had actually put some opened up some tayland
All bottles, yeah think in Chicago and caused I think
(35:20):
the death of some individuals, and tyland All took a
huge hit. This is going to be I assume another
huge hit because I don't know about you, but you know,
I got Adville, I got tayland Hall, I got ibiproprien.
I got everything I need, I think, But I really
don't distinguish the difference. You know, if I grab an Adville,
(35:43):
if I got a headache, if I grab a tilan Hal,
I'm not like married to one of one or the other.
And I think most people probably you're like me, And
that probably doesn't make it any easier for you folks
who are studying.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
This, Well, that's probably true when you're looking at the
data reps respectively. But I'll say, when we're treating a
pregnant person for pain or fever, you know, we don't
have a lot of options. And I think that's an
important thing to keep in mind, is that there are
things like ibuprofen, which is like advilain motrin, which we
(36:16):
know are actually not safe to take in pregnancy. They
can cause fetal risk. And there are other medications like
narcotic medications that of course we counsel patients very intently
on and for some people they need them, but there
are really well documented side effects for fetuses and children
for those types of pain medications, and so TILANL is
(36:37):
a very important medication in our repertoire of things to
treat patients for pain, but there's also non pharmacological things
that we can use. And I think the statement today
that was made regarding the association, you know, one of
the things that was said in that statement was that
patients need to talk to their doctors about, you know,
their own health issues and and talk to them and
(37:01):
come up with the best plan. And that was you know,
the takeaway that I had from that presentation today was
that patients still need to talk to their doctors, talk
through some of this information, and you know, for everyone's
specific situation, come to the best plan for that patient
based on what's going on with them.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Absolutely, doctor, I appreciate it. It's a lot of confusion today.
I think, I know clarified a lot of it, but
I suspect that all of us in the next two
or three months are going to figure this out and hopefully,
hopefully we can get a definitive answer. Thank you so
much for your time talk to Dallas Read, chief of
(37:43):
genetics and an OBG y N physician at Tufts Medical Center.
I cannot tell you much I appreciate you as very
timely interview. It was not scheduled this way, but it
just so happened. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Bye, welcome, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
When we get back, we're going to talk about a
building that is still under construction in Quincy. It is
a no it is a new building for police and firefighters.
It's sort of a municipal public safety building. And we're
going to be talking with the Mayor of Quincy, Tom Cooke,
about a couple of statutes that are sort of the
(38:21):
patron saints of firefighters and police officers. And it's caused
an uproar in Quincy back right after the nine o'clock
news
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Eazy
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good evening, everybody, walk home on into another week of Nightside.
I'll be here all week Monday through Friday, and Rob
will be here all week I assume correct, Rob Monday
through Friday. Okay, good, great, So we know who's going
to be here, no problem. I hope all of you
will be here every night Monday through Friday, from eight
until midnight. My name's Dan Ray. I'm the host of
(00:27):
nights Side, and pretty soon we are wrapping up year eighteen,
and on October first, we will start year nineteen, which
is no easy feat. Trust me, doing this show for
eighteen years has been a lot of fun. Got to
meet a lot of new people, got to know a
lot of people, some of them by telephone over the years.
(00:49):
But I've made a lot of friends. And let us
continue on into your nineteen beginning on October first. We'll
talk more about that as we get closer to that date. Tonight,
we have two major topics we're going to talk to
at nine o'clock, going to talk about the controversy over
a couple of religious statutes, the patron saints of police
and fire departments in Quincy. We'll be talking with the
(01:12):
mayor of Quincy, Mayor Tom Coke, about his decision on
these statues. And we will then at ten o'clock tonight
talk with Jeff Robbins, who is pretty upset what's been
going on at the United Nations this week of a
bunch of countries including UK, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada,
(01:34):
which is decided to endorse formally recognize the Palestinian State.
I think France has just done it today as well.
Catch the latest onne that with Jeff Robbins, who he
himself had been a representative of the Clinton administration at
the United Nations. We'll get to all of that, but
first we have four interesting guests tonight, and we're going
to start off with a guest who's familiar with this program,
(01:57):
Professor Stephen Pinker Hounston Professor John Stone, professor of psychology
at Harvard University, who has written a new book, Welcome back,
Professor Pinker. Interesting times these days at Harvard.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
University all too interesting. I like it better when things
were boring.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, well they're never boring, but it's very interesting. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Some night we'll talk and I've been listening to you.
How long have you been on Boston radio and TV?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, television for thirty one years? Scanned thirty one years,
and then we're starting year nineteen on this talk show. Hi.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Can you add them up and get fifty? Yes, sir,
I've been listening and watching you for that entire time.
So it's honored to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thank you well, professor, honor honored to have you on
the show when you're with us before, thank you so much.
You have written a book, new book when everyone Knows
that everyone knows common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money
Power and every Day. You'll be talking about your book
later this week on Friday night, September twenty sixth, at
(03:06):
the First Parish Church through the Harvard Bookstore. We can
get to that in a moment, but the title is fascinating,
When everyone knows that everyone knows common knowledge in the
Mysteries of Money Power and everyday life. Tell us the
book in your own words. It's purpose and it's subject matter.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yes, it's subject matter is the difference between private knowledge,
where everyone knows something, and common knowledge. It's a technical term.
When everyone knows that everyone knows something. So I know something,
you know it. I know that you know it. You
know that I know it, I know that you know
that I know it, ad infinitum. And it sounds impossible.
(03:46):
It sounds like no one could possibly keep track of
all that. I know that, she knows that I know
she knows. We do it whenever we have a sense
that something is out there or self evident or conspicuous,
or in your face. That when you see someone seeing
the same thing you're saying and they can see you
seeing it, that kind of gives you common knowledge in
(04:08):
one stroke. So The Emperor's New Clothes is a story
about common knowledge. When the little boy said the Emperor
was naked, he wasn't telling anyone anything they didn't already know.
They knew the Emperor was naked. But he did change
their knowledge because now everyone knew that everyone else knew
the emperor was naked, and that changed their relationship with
the emperor from deference and respect to laughter and scorn.
(04:32):
So social relationships depend a lot on common knowledge. Power
depends on common knowledge, money and financial solvency depend on
common knowledge. It doesn't give an example, what if a
bank run. A bank run is when people get nervous
that other people are going to withdraw money from the bank.
They're worried that the bank may not be able to
(04:52):
cover their deposits if everyone withdraws them at once. They
may not even think that other people think there's anything
wrong with the bank. They might think that other people
think that other people think there's something wrong with the bank,
and they wanted there's still want to be the last one.
It's kind of like during COVID when we had toilet
paper shortages. Yes, as it happened, there wasn't really a
shortage of toilet paper that when people stayed home and
(05:13):
instead of using the jumbo rolls at work, they had
to buy the sharmon from from CDs. You know, the
toilet paper makers stepped up demand. But the thing is
that as soon as the rumor got out that there
might be a shortage, then people ran out so that
they wouldn't be left without and that created the shortage
(05:33):
when there wasn't a shortage, because everyone expecting everyone else
to expect everyone else to do something.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well in New England. When you're in New England, I
believe by birth. Correct me if I'm wrong. But every
time there's a snowstorm. What do we all do bread
and milk? We just buy as much bread and milk,
bread and milk at the grocery store. So is common knowledge?
Then I assume that common knowledge as a benefit to
(06:01):
society because we have some things in common. But there
also can be a detrimental impact.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Absolutely, so all of our social coordination depends on common knowledge.
We drive on the right because we know everyone else
knows that everyone else knows you drive on the right.
There's no reason to drive on the right necessarily. I
mean in England they do just find driving on the left,
but there's every reason to drive from the same side
as everyone else. Or to use currency. Why do you
accept a piece of green paper in exchange for something
(06:30):
of value because you know other people will accept it?
And why will they accept it because they know other
people will accept it?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It may not be around much longer, by the way,
if some have their way.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Right well, you know, and in some countries you can
get hyperinflation and the currency becomes worthless because people stop
believing in it. Exactly will pass? Okay, One other example
from the book. I have a lot of examples of
everyday life, but a bit more than a year ago,
(07:02):
Joe Biden had a debate with Donald Trump, and prior
to that debate, the percentage of Americans who thought that
he might be cognitive what declining was about sixty seven percent.
After the debate, it was about seventy two percent. So
it didn't move the needle that much in terms of
what people believed. But what it did, the reason it
(07:23):
changed everything is well, now everyone knew that everyone else
knew it because it was on a broadcast a debate,
and you just knew the whole country was watching. So
what you knew was now something that you knew everyone
else knew, and that marked the end of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
A quick consensus was developed. I remember watching it that
night and trying to be overly fear. I didn't want
to characterize it as a total and complete disaster for
the then president, but I certainly said it was not
his finest moment. In fact, I could have gone quite further.
I was trying to be I was in my reportorial
(08:01):
mode of being to be fair, but it was.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Because it didn't really can say a lot of new information,
but now it wasn't is no longer deniable. Now it
was a mass social phenomenon. That's the difference. And by
the way, going back to the toilet paper, I tried
to find out where did this. Where do people get
the idea that before a hurricane, before a blizzard, you
got to stock up on toilet paper. It may have
(08:29):
gone back to a monologue by Johnny Carson in the seventies.
Now this is an era. I mean you remember it,
and I remember there are only three networks, and you know,
most people watched Johnny Carson night. He's the king of
late night. And the thing is, when you watched him,
you knew everyone else was watching him. One night, he
told a joke. He said, we've had all kinds of
shortages lately, and there were there as shortages of you know,
(08:51):
gasoline and their meat and coffee. Yeah, and he said,
and to hear the latest, I read it in the papers,
there's a shortage of toilet paper. They got a laughter
that there was no shortage of toilet paper until he
made the joke, and then because he made it, there
was a shortage of toilet paper well the nation because
everyone knew that everyone watches Johnny Carson, so all these
(09:13):
other people are going to be porting a toilet paper
so I better not be the last one. And ever
since then there has been a kind of common knowledge
that in an emergency toilet papers in short supply.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
This is a This is a brilliant topic. And I
suspect a lot of people are going to love this book.
Now tell me about the event, not that everyone can
get to the first parish church that's in Cambridge. I assume, Oh.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, it's in Harvard Square. It is the church. You
can't miss it. It's the church that's on the Church
Street and mass af like one block away from the
clock on in front of the coop, So it's a
pretty conspicuous spot. And I'll be in conversation with my
Harvard colleague Danielle Allen.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And that's what time on Friday evening or.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is it's seven p m. Harvard Bookstore is sponsoring it.
But there they can't shut all those people into the bookstore.
So they're going to sit in the pews of a
beautiful church.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So well give them, give them your blessing to buy
the book. Professor Stephen Pinker, the Johnstone Professor of Psychology
at Harvard University, Uh, you never disappoint here on nightside.
Whatever the subject, and love to get your back in
longer form, perhaps later on this month or early in
(10:33):
early October. Thanks so much. Best of that, I'll do
it when everyone knows that everyone knows dot dot dot
common knowledge and the mysteries of money power in everyday life.
This is one that will make you think and probably
will make you feel pretty good that you're gonna you're
gonna read a book from a Harvard professor here, Harvard
(10:55):
professor of psychology that you're going to understand. So I
would recommend it highly. Thanks so much to Professor Stephen Pinker.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Thanks so much. A pleasure.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right back at you. We get back to talk about
a less pleasant subject, but something that everyone should be
concerned about, well certainly every man should be concerned, and
there's Spouses Prostate Cancer Awareness. Mo'm going to be talked
with Ed Randall, founder and Chief Advocacy officer of Fans
for the Cure. Kind of an amazing program they're running,
(11:27):
which I think you'll appreciate and it will emphasize to
all of us that we have to be very careful
about our PSA numbers and we need to be concerned
about prostate cancer. Will be back on nightside right after
this quick break on a Monday night. It's September twenty second.
For those of you who are keeping score.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Like to welcome Ed Randall. He's the founder in chief
advocacy officer of Fans for the Cure. Ed has a
background in professional baseball. And this is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month,
and in conjunction with some major league teams, you're helping
men find out if they are in danger of prostate cancer.
(12:18):
You're running, You've been running at the ballparks I know,
I think Shay Stadium and Yankee Stadium in in fact
clinics where men can give a blood test and be
tested for prostate cancer.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Welcome n and wonderful to be with you. Thank you
for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So tell us what the plan is here? Why Fans
for the Cure. This sort of has a little bit
of a baseball aspect to it that I want to
emphasize as well as just the general caution, particularly for
minority men, about prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
And I'm I'm glad you brought that up. I'm a
prostate cancer survivor. I was diagnosed at the age of
forty seven. Dan would which is quite young for this,
and went to the doctors who are routine annual physical
and then it was flagged. And the bottom line was
I felt fine that day because prostate cancer at this
earliest stages has no symptoms. And when I went into
(13:16):
after the prostate cancer was removed with a procedure, and
I went into my two favorite words in the English
language in remission, I said to myself, on the day
I was diagnosed, I felt fine. And there's a ninety
nine percent curiate of prostate cancers detected early, and there
could be tens hundreds thousands of guys out there like
me walking around feeling fine, thinking they were fine. We
(13:39):
got to get to those guys to educate them and
let them let them know that the simple blood test
will save their lives. One man in this country, dan
dies from prostate cancer every fifteen minutes, and according to
the American Cancer Society, with thirty four thousand men are
expected to die in twenty twenty five from prostate cancer,
many because they're just was detected late in the game,
(14:01):
after it had already spread and displayed sentence. But ninety
nine percent curate of prostate cancers detected early and that's
what we do.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well with thirty four thousand men that almost phills Fenway
Park dying of prostate cancer in the year. So you've
been running these clinics at major League Baseball games.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yes, Earlier this year we were at the Mets before
and during a game at City Field in May.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We screened three hundred and three men.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
That day, we were out in Seattle with the Mariners,
who welcomed us for the second year with them doing
screening in the middle of the season before and during
a game at the Kansas City Royals, and two days later,
Dan I get word, twelve men were found to have
elevated PSAs. Please God, we hope it's not cancer, but nonetheless,
(14:52):
if we hadn't had the screening, how would they know.
And this coming Thursday night we will be in Yankee
Stadium for our thirteenth little screening before and during their
game with the Chicago White Sox. And over the past
twelve years we screened more than two thousand men.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
This is a great project. There's thirty two Major League
Baseball teams or whatever the number is. Can we get
every major league team to do this? I mean, it's
got to be a tremendous effort by your organization.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I've spent my life around baseball on the air.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I've had a blessed life being able to hang around
the game, have many friends in the game.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
In June, I have a information table on Father's Day
where you know, Dan, there's a particular focus on prostate
cancer at about that time of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then they had me come out and throw.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Out the throw the first pitch and it was just
a great thrill and the Phillies treated us so very well.
Our mission is to tell men that Fans for the
Cure is with them, to accompany them through their journey
of prostate cancer. We don't want anybody to be alone.
(16:09):
We don't want anybody to be uninformed. And if anybody
needs a doctor, we have a medical advisory board of
dozens of the greatest gurologists in this country. And you
are heard in what thirty eight forty states with this
fabulous signal on WBZ. If anybody needs a doctor, they're
(16:30):
welcome to be in touch with us at info at
Fans Forothecure dot org and we will get them help.
We want no empty chairs on Thanksgiving, no empty chairs
on Kwanza. No empty chairs on Christmas, no empty chairs
on Hanukkah.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Info at Fans for the Cure dot com and that's
all one word. Info at Fans for the Cure dot com.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And actually it's dot org. It's yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
So you're you're a nonprofit, you're a charity as well?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And can people support the cause? Are they ways people
can contribute and help you do the great work you're doing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yes, we have a donate button at Infowred Fans for
thee Cured dot org and they are welcome to contribute
to our ever widening mission of getting to as many
people as we possibly can, most especially, and you referenced
this earlier in the African American community, where the incidents
(17:34):
of prostate cancer is two to three times higher than
it is in the white community. And we're going to
African American churches. I had the privilege Dan of ringing
the closing bell at the New York Stock Exchanges past Thursday,
and I invited some friends of ours from the Abyssinian
Baptist Church, which is perhaps the nation's most well known.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
African American church, with me.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
We're going to be speaking to their congregation very shortly
and we feel a tremendous commitment to that community, and
that's what it is. Yes, we have this baseball identity,
but it's about getting out into the communities to spread
our mission of prostate cancer awareness and education.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well again, Ed Randall, thank you very much for what
you do. Fans for the Cure info at Fansfothecure dot org.
Caution nothing to check it out, folks, and it might
save your life or the life for someone you love.
And thank you so much. This was perfect. Appreciate it
very much.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And thank you great.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Walk with you all right when we get back after
the news at the bottom of the hour, we're going
to talk about a concept called career catfishing. We will
explain what it is, and then later on at A
forty five, we're going to be talking with doctor Dallas Reid.
She's the chief of genetics and an OBGYN doctor physician
at Tofts Medical Center. Obviously we did not time it
(18:56):
this way, but we're going to talk about what thailan
all and it's it's potential impact during pregnancy and is
it a cause of autism. I don't think doctor Reid
agrees with that, despite what the President said, and we
will talk about that perhaps, if not later tonight tomorrow.
The president's statements today, A lot of controversy about that,
(19:18):
but we'll be back with first. Johnny Garman, founder and
managing partner of a mission driven consulting business, talking about
career catfishing. I will explain what it means. Yes, I
didn't quite understand it either, but I can explain it
as can Johnny Garment back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Night Side with Dan Ray IBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Well, the phrase career catfishing is probably one that a
lot of us are not familiar with. I had to
sort of look it up. Catfishing is a phrase that
is often used in terms of the dating community when
people don't represent themselves accurately. Career catfishing. Well, it's the
(20:05):
same idea, but in a different context. Johnny Garman, foundering
managing partner at Paras Parasos Group. Is that the correct pronunciation?
Johnny Garmon, You got it? Okay, A mission driven consulting business.
What's career catfishing? I read some materials here and people
(20:25):
are being tricked into accepting jobs that they really don't like.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, it's going both ways. From what I'm seeing and
what I'm hearing from my colleagues and other companies that
I consult with. It's really becoming an issue. People are
putting out things that to really promote in a certain
way that is not reality. And it's going on both sides. Dan,
It's not just the employer, it's the employee, and they're
(20:51):
both doing it, and they seems to be getting worse.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Why would And first of all, I can understand why
an employee or an unemployed might buff up their resume,
you know, you know, I think that's what you're talking about.
If I'm if I'm not accurate, please feel free to
correct me. You're the expert here. I'm not. But why
would companies hold out promises and in virtues of a job,
(21:22):
because when someone finally gets the job, it ain't all
it's cracked up to be.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
What you do that Well, there's one word. It's called desperation,
and desperation on both ends of the table. And you've
got you've got employers that are desperate for confident, highly
motivated employees that are dependable and quite frankly, one that
they can afford. And then on the employee side, they're
(21:49):
looking for stability, They want high wages, they want to
make as much as they can, and uh, you know,
especially the generation disease, they want meaningful work that connects
them to purpose. So you know, when the with with
the employers out here trying to retain and get people
who have the hard skills and the soft skills, Uh,
(22:10):
they're really trying to uh put the lipstick on, so
to speak, to really look attractive to these to these
to these would be employees.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Is this across all sectors? I mean, I'm assuming that
you know that we have big companies Amazon and all
the big super companies, uh, and then you have you know,
some family owned businesses in different places. Is this a
practice that is more endemic to one type of company
(22:43):
versus others?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Not necessarily companies. We're seeing it throughout the industry. We
see it a lot in healthcare. We're seeing it in
some of the retail markets as well. And again, I
think it just goes back to people really wanting to
look for talent and everybody putting their best foot forward,
really downplaying obviously the weaknesses that they have or the
(23:06):
culture that the businesses may be talking about. Hey, we
have this type of perk or this type of this
incentive here, and the employees go in, they have an
expectation they may be in thirty days, sixty days in
and they're going, this is not what I signed up for.
But again it's going both ways, and I think it
(23:27):
comes down to people.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Really.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The market has shifted, as we know after COVID, still
there's a lot of industry still try to get people
back into the office. There's still a push the or
people not wanting to come back. There's still that feeling there.
So I really think it does come down as desperation
and it can help you in the short run, but
(23:50):
obviously two or three months in as someone leaves, the
turnover costs is enormous and you're just right back to
square one. So there's a better way of doing it, Dan,
We don't need to do it this way, but people
need to know the right questions to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So what's the better way to do it for the
employer perspective and from the employee perspective. First of all,
everybody should start being truthful.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I guess they do.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
They do, But the quality of our communication really is
the quality of our questions. So let's start asking better
questions and I actually just wrote a book about it's
called Failure Disrupted, and it's in the book about how
to ask better questions to get better answers. But I
would tell all the employees, look, when you're talking to
your employer or prospective employer, don't ask about just the
(24:33):
job responsibilities and the job description. Those tend to change.
Those can change easily and quickly over time. Ask more
specifically about the job outcomes. They tend to be more stables.
Here's the responsibilities. I'm more interested in one of the outcomes.
If I was the best hire you would have for
this position, what was in my consistent outcomes I would
(24:54):
achieve for you in the next ten or twelve months.
Get really specific on that. That can help with some
of them miscommunication and mis expectations. And then just be clear.
Radical transparency is what I say. You have to interrogate
reality with these people and say, what are two aspects
of the job that I don't really know about that
I need to know about. What are some of those things?
(25:16):
So let's set each other up for success. And yes,
tell me about the purpose, but also tell me about
the things that I don't want to know. And that's
the thing I need to know the most. Just asking
those two questions and just tweaking the conversation can really
help out a lot for the employees.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So who would, your opinion, is more responsible for opening
up honest communications in these settings, the employer or the
prospective employee.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Well, no one cares about your job as much as
you do as the employee. In the perfect world, it
should be the managers, the HR leaders, the people the
employer who's actually leading this. But unfortunately, Dan, a lot
of these people don't have that skill set themselves either. Again,
they have a job to do. They're trying to fill
a position and they're trying to get it back as
(26:03):
quickly as possible, and many times and they rush through
the process. But it should be led by a really
good organization and of quite frankly, if they're not able
to do that, that's telling you something about it to
begin with, Right, there's some there's some clues there that
I would quite frankly pick up and be concerned with.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And a lot and a lot of companies are getting
rid of or or cutting back greatly on any sort
of human resources personnel.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Mm hmm, Yeah, A lot more is going to the
AI chat box, which is what into the ghosting problem.
So that's the other thing one of the articles talks
about is they have the cat fishing problem, but then
you have the ghosting problem, and that has certainly been
talked about in dating. I got two teenage daughters and
they can talk about ghosting. But that's a real concern
(26:53):
as well. And my advice to employees with regards to
ghosting is, if you're in the inner you don't leave
the interview without the action item and a follow through
date and time for the next action to occur. So,
in other words, don't just lean and say, well, great,
this has been a great conversation, I hope to hear
from you, because you are going to get ghost and
(27:13):
you're you're very likely to leave with another expectation, another
action item for a follow through. Hey I'm gonna expect
to hear from you at this time that date. And
then there's some other things we do we teach as well.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But yeah, okay, so now if either employees or employers
can go to your website and get in touch with
you and and maybe pick up some information. So what
is the the website. I know it's the Parasos Group,
which is tough to spell. P E R I S
S O S. Give us the website.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
That's it, you actually have it. It's the Parasos group
dot com. The E R I, S, S O S
and parasites just means abundance. It means overflow. Dot com.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Is that Greek the word? What's the derivation? Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
John?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And John and the Bible said I came to give
you Paris and parises to the full.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That means abundance.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, they can check me out there.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Sounds great, Johnny Garman, I appreciate it very much. We'll
talk again. Thank you very much. You helped me get
a lot of people tonight on both sides of the
bargaining table.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Absolutely, Thank you. Dan, have a good night.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Very welcome. We get back on to talk about Tylan
and all. President talked about Tiland all this afternoon, talked about,
uh the impact that might have and is there a
relationship to autism. I don't think that doctor Dallas read
is going to find much in what the White House
said today is being accurate and fully truthful. But we
will talk with doctor Dallas Reid. Talk with her. She's
(28:47):
the chief of Genetics OBG ob g y N at
Tufts Medical Center. Right after this quick break on.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Nightside, You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wb
the Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
President Trump today UH and Secretive of Health and Human
Services Robert F. Kennedy Junior made a very interesting announcement
dealing with thailanol, the use of thailanol during pregnancy and
whether or not it contributed to a child an infant
(29:24):
becoming autistic. With us is doctor Dallas Reid.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
UH.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
She's the chief of Genetics genetics and an obg y
N at Tufts Medical Center. Uh. Doctor Reid, I believe
that the President and R. F. K Junior today are
not in line with the majority of thought within the
medical community. Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Thank you for having me, and I would agree with that.
There are you know, many many studies looking at a
CEDOMNFA and an autism risk, and all of the reputable
studies have not really shown an association and certainly not
a causal link, meaning that a set of minifin does
cause autism that has not been shown in reputable research.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah. Again, I know a little bit about autism because
I did a lot of work for about twenty years
with the New England Center for Children out in self.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Browners, I'm sure you're familiar with them.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Had founded Vincent Stroli had found it out there, and
aside from coming away with a great deal of respect
and admiration for parents of these children, in some cases
grown children who are autistic, one of the things that
I realized is that autism is tough because it's it's
(30:53):
a spectrum condition, meaning some people but very obviously and
some people can have a light touch of Aspergers, which
is on the autism spectrum. Is that what makes it
so hard to figure out the cause. I mean, everybody
says there's more cases and incidents of autism now than
ever before. No one seems to know why, but it
(31:17):
is a it's a tough diagnosis. And again I don't
want to put you in conflict with the President or
with RFK Junior, but there were some medical people at
that within that group today who stood behind the President
and seemed to suggest this might have an impact. How
(31:42):
should the public deal with that information? I mean, there's
a whole bunch you know, there's a whole bunch of
things you can have in your medicine cabinet and tail
and hall doesn't have to be there. What advice would
you give to people who going to be pretty confused
by this, I guess is what I'm asking, And that
(32:03):
might be an unfair question if it is.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
No, No, I think it's a perfectly fair question, and one
I'm going to get, you know, probably every day this
week and for weeks to come, you know, with this news.
I think you bring up some really good points. You know,
why is it so hard to understand why the incidence
of autism has gone up? And I think you bring
(32:26):
up one really good point is that autism, although we
say the word autism, it's really an umbrella term for
many different neurodevelopmental diagnoses, and so we know that every
case of autism does not look like every other case
of autism, and that there's probably some type of subgroups
within the category of autism. I think the other thing
(32:46):
that makes it really challenging from a research perspective is
that we know that autism is what's called a multifactorial condition,
which means that it's a combination of genetic and non
genetic factors. And so when you're doing research to look
for how one factor or one contribution may be affecting
(33:08):
the chances of developing autism. You really have to do
a few different things to control for those other factors,
and a lot of the larger studies are more recent
studies that have shown an association between a stamenifine and
autism risk did not do a great job of that.
They weren't able to or did not adequately control for
(33:31):
the genetic background that exists within an individual or within
a family that can contribute to autism. They also had
differing ways of approaching how they categorized someone as having autism.
So some of the studies, instead of looking at an
actual clinical diagnosis by a professional that it is their
(33:52):
job to diagnose autism, they may have looked at questionnaires
that were given to teachers or to parents to say,
you know, does the child have some features of autism.
While that is really helpful and as a screening tool
to determine, you know, which children need to have further
evaluation for autism, it doesn't. It's not diagnostic. It's not
(34:12):
saying that they do have autism. And so it's obviously
easier to do a question there than to do a
full clinical evaluation, which sometimes studies do. And then the
third thing I'll say is that oftentimes the studies are
doing sort of a retrospective analysis, so they're getting a
cohort of children that have autism, and they're asking their
parents did you ever take tilanol or a scene of
(34:33):
benefit during pregnancy? Did you take this? Did you take that?
What exposures did you have? Which can cause something called
a recall bias, where you know, potentially people who have
a child with a condition may over represent the fact
that they may have had that exposure. And the better
way to do that is prospectively following a pregnancy all
the way through and just asking what medicines are you
(34:54):
taking right now, when have you taken them, and then
see if a child develops autism and compare groups that way.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Tyland Hall has had an interesting history. I'm sure you
remember that in the I think it was the mid
nineteen eighties, there was some there was a guy out
of Cambridge, I have no idea how it ended up,
and he had actually put some opened up some tayland
All bottles, yeah think in Chicago and caused I think
(35:20):
the death of some individuals, and tyland All took a
huge hit. This is going to be I assume another
huge hit because I don't know about you, but you know,
I got Adville, I got tayland Hall, I got ibiproprien.
I got everything I need, I think, But I really
don't distinguish the difference. You know, if I grab an Adville,
(35:43):
if I got a headache, if I grab a tilan Hal,
I'm not like married to one of one or the other.
And I think most people probably you're like me, And
that probably doesn't make it any easier for you folks
who are studying.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
This, Well, that's probably true when you're looking at the
data reps respectively. But I'll say, when we're treating a
pregnant person for pain or fever, you know, we don't
have a lot of options. And I think that's an
important thing to keep in mind, is that there are
things like ibuprofen, which is like advilain motrin, which we
(36:16):
know are actually not safe to take in pregnancy. They
can cause fetal risk. And there are other medications like
narcotic medications that of course we counsel patients very intently
on and for some people they need them, but there
are really well documented side effects for fetuses and children
for those types of pain medications, and so TILANL is
(36:37):
a very important medication in our repertoire of things to
treat patients for pain, but there's also non pharmacological things
that we can use. And I think the statement today
that was made regarding the association, you know, one of
the things that was said in that statement was that
patients need to talk to their doctors about, you know,
their own health issues and and talk to them and
(37:01):
come up with the best plan. And that was you know,
the takeaway that I had from that presentation today was
that patients still need to talk to their doctors, talk
through some of this information, and you know, for everyone's
specific situation, come to the best plan for that patient
based on what's going on with them.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Absolutely, doctor, I appreciate it. It's a lot of confusion today.
I think, I know clarified a lot of it, but
I suspect that all of us in the next two
or three months are going to figure this out and hopefully,
hopefully we can get a definitive answer. Thank you so
much for your time talk to Dallas Read, chief of
(37:43):
genetics and an OBG y N physician at Tufts Medical Center.
I cannot tell you much I appreciate you as very
timely interview. It was not scheduled this way, but it
just so happened. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Bye, welcome, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
When we get back, we're going to talk about a
building that is still under construction in Quincy. It is
a no it is a new building for police and firefighters.
It's sort of a municipal public safety building. And we're
going to be talking with the Mayor of Quincy, Tom Cooke,
about a couple of statutes that are sort of the
(38:21):
patron saints of firefighters and police officers. And it's caused
an uproar in Quincy back right after the nine o'clock
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