September 24, 2025 • 36 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
As fall officially begins, the American Red Cross urges people to mark the new season with a lifesaving blood or platelet donation to help keep the blood supply strong.
Guest: Jeff Hall – with Red Cross of Massachusetts
Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. This book touches on the relationship between Douglass and Lincoln.
Guest: Jonathan White – co-author of this book & professor of American Studies at Christopher Newport University and vice chair of The Lincoln Forum. & Author of over 20 books.
Memorial set for prosecutor Assist. AG Paul McLaughlin who was gunned down by a gang member in 1995.
Guest: Judge Jeffrey Locke
The Massachusetts State Lottery’s new “Ghostbusters™” instant ticket game & more that’s new with the state lottery.
Guest: Mark William Bracken - Executive Director of the MA Lottery
As fall officially begins, the American Red Cross urges people to mark the new season with a lifesaving blood or platelet donation to help keep the blood supply strong.
Guest: Jeff Hall – with Red Cross of Massachusetts
Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. This book touches on the relationship between Douglass and Lincoln.
Guest: Jonathan White – co-author of this book & professor of American Studies at Christopher Newport University and vice chair of The Lincoln Forum. & Author of over 20 books.
Memorial set for prosecutor Assist. AG Paul McLaughlin who was gunned down by a gang member in 1995.
Guest: Judge Jeffrey Locke
The Massachusetts State Lottery’s new “Ghostbusters™” instant ticket game & more that’s new with the state lottery.
Guest: Mark William Bracken - Executive Director of the MA Lottery
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's eyes Dan Ray. I'm going easy Bondon's news radio pro.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I can promise you you will have a fabulous night
if you stay with Nightside all the way until midnight,
or actually until about eleven fifty eight. My name is
Dan Ray, the host of Nightside and Rob Brooks and
I the producer of this program.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Back in the control room also to accept your.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Phone calls after nine o'clock where we are locked and
loaded and ready tonight. We're going to talk later on
tonight with the president of Brandeis University, Arthur Levine, about
the future of higher education. And he has a very
different view and his already implemented some changes at Brandei's
and I suspect some of you probably might want to
(00:44):
ask him a question about the value of a college education.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Obviously, the introduction of artificial intelligence has anyone who is
actually thinking about the future realizing that AI will play
a role. What type of rule will play we have
yet to find out, but it is a role that
everybody should be contemplating and considering, and certainly the president
of Brandeis University, Arthur Lavina, is a leader.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
In thought in that area.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And then we're going to talk about that problem with
the mass Pike service plaza deal. Now there are in
all eighteen plazas around the state, eleven of them on
the mass Pike, which are part of an incredible thirty
five year deal that was awarded to a company from Ireland,
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much to the chagrin of a local bidder, Global Partners,
and last night, without much notice and with little reason given,
Apple Green the winner of the contract Withdrew and we're
going to go and talk about that with John Chester
of the Boston Globe. He has his pulse on the
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business community in Boston, in Massachusetts, New England that matter
like no one else. Of John Chester or the Buston
Globe will join us at ten tonight. Now we have
four interesting guests coming up. We're going to learn about
a blood shortage or a need for blood donations with
the American Red Cross.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Jeff Hall will join us in a moment. A little
bit later on, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Going to talk about the writings of Frederick Douglass and
Abraham Lincoln, two incredibly important Americans obviously in the mid
nineteenth century. We'll also talk about a memorial set tomorrow
for the late Assistant Attorney General Paul McLoughlin, who was
gotten down by a gang member thirty years ago. Tomorrow
there'll be a memorial service tomorrow, a mass of remembrance,
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and we'll talk with the head of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
the executive director of Mark Bracken, about Ghostbusters, the new
instant ticket game, and more what is new with the lottery.
But first, Jeff Hall returns from the Massachusetts or the
Red Cross at Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Jeff Hall, welcome, How are you this evening.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You're very welcome. Is this a time of year when
the Red Cross? The Red Cross needs blood throughout the year.
I understand that, but is there anything going on that
we should be aware of that the need is especially
critical at this point, you know, mid to late September.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, well, the need is constant. As you said, Uh,
you know, normally this time of year, we're dealing with
hurricanes and storms like we did last year, and those always,
uh you know, kind of slow down blood collection with
people you know, trying to evacuate or or take stock
of what's going on in their homes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So we don't have this year, So we're lucky. But
it is just a good time to remind people that
you know, the need is constant. Blood is a perishable Uh,
this thing that people donate that can only be donated
by people can't be manufactured. So well, yeah, go ahead, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We're moving into that time of year when bad weather,
you know, the weather gets a little worse as the
fall goes on, and then we have to face a
traditional New England winter. We're at the time of the
season when we're facing probably the six toughest months of
the year before we get to say next April or May,
when we can once again look forward to.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Late spring and the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So that means that over the course of the winter,
there's going to be probably some folks who would normally
get in.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As blood donors.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And so you have an incentive above and beyond doing
the right thing for your fellow citizens, but you have
an incentive available. I don't know for how long, but
tell us about the incentive and how people can not
only contribute, but actually gain a little something by contributing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, we have a great partner and sponsor in Amazon
right now and they're giving away ten dollars gift cards
to anbody that donates blood right now, blood platelets or plasma.
So it's a great way to come in and do
a good thing for your community. But you also get
a little something back from our sponsor Amazon. So that's
the promotion we have running for about the next month.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh okay, so this is month long.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And then how many locations and how tough is it
for people to find a location? I assume everybody at
this point is able to access if they don't have
a computer, at least can access a computer. But how
many different donation locations are still in existence in Massachusetts?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, we have seven six donation sites across the state.
We just opened one in Bedford this week, so we
are adding more, and we probably run twenty to twenty
five mobile blood drives every single day across the state.
So if you have access to a computer, you can
go online and find the blood drive that's closest to you,
usually within about ten miles from you.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, where are the fixed locations?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
We have fixed locations in Boston, Danvers, just opening, Bedford, Framingham, Springfield, Worcester,
rainhom And I know I'm forgetting one that's there.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't, Jeff, I don't mean to put you on
the spot here, but obviously people can go to.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
The website, but I'm just trying to make it easy
and then they can do they need to sign up
in advance or what they need to do in preparation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Can they eat that morning of the donations? What are
the requirements? I just don't want people walking and spending
their time getting there and either doing something that they
shouldn't do or you know, drinking eighteen cups of coffee
for example. I'm not sure what the limitations are and
also perhaps what the requirements are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Conversely, yeah, it's always best to make an appointment. That way,
you can schedule your day. Some places take walk ins,
but generally we ask people to make an appointment online.
You can and as so long as you're feeling well
when you wake up in the morning of your appointment,
you can give blood. Don't do anything different than you
normally do every day you come in. You take a
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brief health history and if that goes fine, and if
you've never given blood, we ask you a couple more questions.
But usually if you're giving a whole blood donation, you're
in and out within an hour.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And also again just to emphasize It's not as if
sometimes when you're getting a blood test down at your
at your doctor's office in advance of a physical a
couple of days later, you have to fast from midnight.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
People just go off the normal course of business.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you have a big breakfast, have a big breakfast,
if you have a bowl of cereal.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And that's normally. You don't have to do anything different.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is what you said, correct, right, nothing special, Just go
on about your normal day, you know, just take evaluate
yourself in the morning. If you feel sick, probably not
a good idea to donate blood. That's one of the
first questions we're going to ask you. If you're feeling
healthy today, we usually defer you if you're not. If
you're not feeling well, you have a fever, we asked
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that you stay home and you can reschedule appointment for
some time when you're feeling better.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Assume that you folks in the process take a person's temperature,
even if they say, oh, I'm feeling great, you want
to make sure that they're not running a fever. I
assume that's done. You know, it's just part of the
part of the process.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, we do a basic health screening temperature. We ask
you how you feel in the short blood pressure, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And also when you walk well.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Eventually you get a blood donor card, and I guess
that blood donor card will tell you what type of
blood you have provided that's correct.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
If you've never donated, it's a great way to find
out your blood type. You know, we ask people if
it eases the time through the blood drought through your
blood donation. We have an app that you canload to
your phone. Uh and after your donation, that app will
even tell you when in where your donation is used.
So that kind of gives you closes the loop on
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your donation and you can see where your blood's used.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I didn't really that's interesting because to think that you
realize that the blood that you donate on a Wednesday,
like today, maybe Friday, or maybe next week, how long
is the blood kept and still can be utilized? Is
there a you know, is there use by date on
the on these blood donations?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
There is?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, blood lasts about two weeks. Uh. Plasma and platelets
last uh in like five or six days. Uh, So
it is used almost immediately from the time of your donation.
It goes through a screening process and is processed here
in Massachusetts that are dead of Massachusetts facility and then
it's off to hospitals or different cancer treatment centers.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Excellent, well, Jeff Hall, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Give us the website one more time so that everybody
has an opportunity, you know, right to write it down.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, redcrossblood dot org and you can find your nearest
blood drive right on that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Page Redcrossblood dot o RG.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Jeff Hall is always thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This is one of my favorite interviews because out of
this interview some good will come for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Thank you, Jeff, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
When we get back.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Right after the break, we're going to talk about the
writings of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
These are important writings because the book touches on the
relationship between Douglas and Lincoln. We're going to talk with
college professor Jonathan White, co author of this book, and
we will be back talking a little bit about the
Civil War they're up up to, and then writings that
were contemporaneous and perhaps after the Civil War writings of
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Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Back of nights out after this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on you Bzy
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right, we're going to talk with Jonathan White, co
author of a book Measuring the Man, the writings of
Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln, and the book touches on
the relationship between Douglas and Lincoln. And I'm not a historian,
Professor White, you are, but my understanding is that the
relationship was not love at first sight, and it was, uh,
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it was sometimes contentious.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, that's exactly right. Frederick Douglas was one of Lincoln's
biggest critics at the beginning of the Civil War. In fact,
Douglas was so angry that Lincoln was willing to enforce
the Fugitive Slave Act that he said the South had
no reason to seceed, they had nothing to fear. In fact,
he said Lincoln was the South's greatest slave hound. But
over the course of the war they had several interactions.
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They actually met in person three times, and so by
the end of the war and by the time Lincoln
is assassinated, Douglas has come to see Lincoln as a friend,
and Lincoln, for in his art, came to see Douglas
as someone who was really worthy of admiration and someone
whose advice he was willing to listen to.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Through Douglas's eyes, was Lincoln a strategist that Douglas did
not appreciate or was if through Douglas's eyes, was Lincoln
a man who changed his own view on the morality
the legitimacy of slavery.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Well, Lincoln always believed that slavery was immoral, and he
said he could never remember a time in his life
where he didn't so think and feel that way. For Douglas,
Douglas believed that the Constitution was an anti slavery document
and that if you just had the right person in
the presidency, that they could get rid of slavery. From
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Lincoln's perspective, even though he believed slavery was im moral,
he didn't believe that he could just get rid of
slavery simply because he was now president. And so when
Lincoln becomes president, Douglas is really critical of him for
acting too slowly in terms of destroying slavery in this country.
But eventually Douglas comes to understand that Lincoln was facing
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real political realities. You know, just because your president doesn't
mean you can do whatever you want, especially if you're
going to be standing for reelection in a year or two,
you have to think about your constituents. And while Douglas
was really frustrated that Lincoln seemed to be too slow
and too political early in the war, once Douglas began
to realize, Okay, Lincoln is working methodically and the path
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he's taking will eventually get us there, I think then
Douglas came to appreciate what Lincoln was doing.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What was Lincoln's position during the election of eighteen sixty
and was it significantly different during the election of eighteen
sixty four.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Oh, that's a great question. So Lincoln's position in eighteen
sixty was the standard Republican position that year, and that
was that the federal government cannot touch slavery where it exists.
So if a state wants to have slavery, the state
can have it, and they can pass laws regulating it.
But Lincoln and other Republicans believed that the federal government
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could stop slavery from spreading. Now, the Supreme Court had
said Congress can't stop slavery from spreading, but Lincoln's view was, essentially,
I can ignore the Supreme Court and do what I
think the Constitution allows, and so when Lincoln runs, that's
his policy. He'll enforce slave laws that are on the books.
He'll allow slavery to exist where it already exists, but
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he'll stop it from spreading.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So yeah, it almost sounds like that that Lincoln in
eighteen sixty is adopting what the Democratic governors of one
hundred years later adopted, which was the state's rights position.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah. I mean it's not so much a state's rights position,
although I suppose in some ways it is. It was
actually a position that went all the way back to
the first Federal Congress in seventeen ninety there had been
a group of Quakers from New York and another from
Philadelphia who tried to get Congress to end slavery throughout
the nation, and Congress essentially said, look, the Constitution doesn't
say anything about this matter, and that means it is
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a matter left to the states. So I suppose you're
right it's kind of a Tenth Amendment issue that the
states would be allowed to regulate. But things for Lincoln
changed by the time he runs for reelection. So by
that point he has actually signed a law ending the
Transatlantic slave trade.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He's fought that off.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
He's stopped slavery in the territories. He's issued emancipation Proclamation,
freeing the slaves in the South. But at that point
Lincoln is concerned what happens when the war ends. Emancipation
was a military measure, and Lincoln feared that if the
war ended, that all of a sudden, his Emancipation Proclamation
was no longer valid. And so for the last few
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months of his life he pushes very hard to try
to get Congress to adopt the thirteenth Amendment. And when
he ran for reelection, he ran on a platform pledging
the thirteenth Amendment, and that was a way of saying, Okay,
now the Constitution will forever ban slavery.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And Douglas obviously outlived Abraham Lincoln by some time. Did
Douglas then help craft the historical record of Lincoln's life
wrought by his teachings and writings.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yes, Douglas is one of the most astute observers of
American life in the nineteenth century, and he had a
very long life from eighteen eighteen to eighteen ninety five,
and so he and he was constantly writing. He wrote
three autobiographies, he edited several newspapers. He was giving speeches
for his whole life, traveling all over the world, giving
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speeches in the UK and throughout the US, and as
he does these writings, in these speeches, he's absolutely shaping
the way that his generation will think about things, and
also that future generations will think about things. One of
the ways that Douglas really did this with Lincoln was
in eighteen seventy six, Douglas gave a speech dedicating a
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statue in Washington, d c. That had been paid for
by former slaves. There used to be actually a copy
of the statue on the street of Boston. Yeah, in
twenty twenty it was taken from.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Some controversy about that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think back here in Boston, I remember, I remember
it used to walk by the statue. Professor, this was
really a really interesting conversation. I thank you. You're a
professor at Christopher Newport University and vice chair of the
Lincoln Forum. I'm not familiar with Christopher Newport University is,
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but if all the professors are as interesting as you are,
it must be quite quite a school.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
It's a great school. It was founded about sixty years ago.
We were initially a feeder School for William and Mary,
the College of William and Mary and Williamsburg. We're about
twenty five minutes south of there, and we became a
freestanding institution in the nineteen seventies and a university I
think in the eighties or nineties. It's really a wonderful school.
And actually I have a couple of students from Massachusetts,
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so we're starting to get a reach beyond the Virginia region.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, that's great. Those students from Massachusetts are lucky to
have you as a professor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The book is Measuring the Man.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Referencing to Lincoln, the writings of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
I assume that's available Amazon and the fine bookstores wherever
fine books are sold.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yep, anywhere fine books are sold. It's available.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, Thank you very much. Love to have you back,
Professor Jonathan White. Measuring the Man, the Writings of Frederick
Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. If you're a Civil War historian
of Civil War buff I think it should be in
your library.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Thank you, professor, Thank you for your time. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
When we get back right after the news at the
bottom of the air, we're going to talk about a
memorial mass tomorrow for a former prosecutor who thirty years
ago tomorrow was gunned down by a gang member here
in Boston. That gang member is spending the rest of
his life, hopefully in prison. We'll be talking with former
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retired judge Jeffrey Locke, who knew Paul McLoughlin very well,
and we're going to give you that information if I believe,
this is going to be open to the public, so
listen up and we'll let you know all the details.
My name is Dan Ray. This is the Nightside. We're
heading on the other side of the break to guest
number three, Judge Jeffrey Locke.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It's Night Side with Ray, Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I am delighted to be joined by a friend of
many years, Judge Jeffrey Locke. Jeff Locke, the former Chief
Justice of the Trial Court here in Massachusetts. Judge Locke,
welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
How are you this evening?
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Thank you, Dan, I'm doing fine. Thank you for keeping
Paul's memory alive.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, that's what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just want to note that we are both graduates
of Boston University Law School. I think you're a little
younger than I am, but we do have the degrees
from the same law school, so we have that commonality.
Although I never really got close to ever being elevated
to the bench, and you spent many years on the
bench here in Massachusetts. But to the issue at hand,
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there's an assistant district attorney who became a special prosecutor
in the Suffolk County's District Attorney's office in the early
nineteen nineties, who was himself assassinated in West Roxbury thirty
years ago tomorrow. His name is Paul McLoughlin. Came from
a very significant family. We grew up next to the
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McLoughlin family in Reville, Massachusetts in VA housing a long
time ago, and Paul was younger than me. I was
very close with Paul's brother, Edward McLaughlin, who we attended
Boston Latin School.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Tell us about Paul.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He was a prosecutor and he was targeted and was
shot and killed by the man that he was about
to prosecute for the third time. And that individual, thank goodness,
is still incarcerated and will serve the rest of his life, hopefully,
unless the legislature doesn't change the law. He will spend
the rest of his life in prison. Tell us about Paul.
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You were a friend and a colleague.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Paul was just a thoroughly decent, unassuming humbo Boston native
born and bred, as you just noted. I get to
know Paul when we were side by side in the
Cambridge office of the Middlesex District Attorney's Office in nineteen
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eighty three, and we became very close friends and colleagues.
And Paul was one of a kind graduate of Dartmouth
College Suffolk Law, lived in Boston all his life except
for when he was up at Dartmouth, and so committed
to this city. Just phenomenal. He was meticulous in his appearance,
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in the way he presented, and meticulous in the way
he prosecuted cases. Of the hundreds of lawyers that appeared
on the other side with Paul, you'll never find one
to have a bad word about him. He was such a.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Gentleman that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
His dad served as Lieutenant Governor Edward McLaughlin, who your dad,
of course, served in the State Senate here in Massachusetts
for many years. I got to know your father very
well as a reporter, and I also knew ed McLoughlin
who then had a very significant law practice at a
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former law firm, Herrican Smith. My first memory in life.
I want to share this with you if I could.
I've never told this story publicly, but my first memory
in life. If people think back, what's the first thing
you remember? Most people can't remember much past their third year.
My fourth year. I was about two years old, and
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one day I was sitting on the steps of our home,
our house. We were lived in a two family house.
The McLoughlin's lived in a two family house. Was v
A housing, and I remember police and fire rushing past
me and Paul's older sister. Paul was not born at
that point, but Paul's older sister had drowned in a
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small little fish pool. And so the McLoughlin family dealt
with not only the loss of Paul, their son, but
many many years earlier, they had dealt with the loss
of a really a baby daughter. And they, you know,
Ed McLoughlin and his wife, Sissy McLoughlin, were good friends
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over time, and he came from a very special set
of parents. Is and and so everything you've said about
Paul rings true in my mind because I got you know,
new Ed McLoughlin and and Paul's mom over the years,
they were special people. I'm sure you have had your
opportunities to spend time with them as well.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Yeah, Ed, Ed and Sissy really developed such a close
family network. And to see Paul interact with his brothers,
with Ted and with Rick, with his sister Judy, they
were so tight. It was an incredible opportunity to see
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them as a unit and all based on the parents.
Pall at one point and left the DA's office to
run for State rep for the state representative seat in Westbrook,
and I'll never forget a number of us were called
on a Saturday to do some door to door reefitting
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for Paul and we showed up in West Roxbury at
the little campaign office and Eddie McLaughlin was running that show,
and boy, it was all time Boston politics. He was
giving us our marching orders and our roots and don't
miss a house, and don't forget to be polite and
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to say good morning and thank you for seeing us.
It was something to be involved with. And I grew
up on the Republican side of the aisle. Paul and
Ed as longtime Democrats, but it made no difference because
of the person that was seeking the office. I would
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have been out there for Paul on any election that
he was interested in, and it was because he wanted
to make a difference in the city. He was so
committed to the neighborhoods of Boston.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yes, he was. And he died.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know, he was shot and killed at that MBTA
stop in West Roxbury, right near Roach Brothers, thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's amazing the time the time has flown. Now the
memorial mass tomorrow, I assume it would be open to
the public. If I'm wrong on that, please tell me.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
No, the mass is open to the public. It's consider
from the West End, Saint Joseph's O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Drive, O'Connell Way, you correct, yep.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yes, at four pm.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then there'll be a gathering I guess at the
UMSS Boston Club at five o'clock.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Yes, as a reception afterwards. I think that may be
by RSVP. But I believe certainly the mass is open
to the public and I expect it will be quite
a crowd because as Paul is remembered by so many.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, I know that church very well.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's very close to the Regina Cleary, which is the
retirement community for Archsiosis and Priest Judge Jeffrey Locke. Thank
you so much for your time. I miss talking to
you and I miss talking to your dad as well.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I want you to know that.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right tomorrow, good night, good good evening, four pm
tomorrow at Saint Joseph Catholic Church in Boston on on
O'Connell Way. Pretty easy to find. Parking can be tough,
but it's right in what we would call the old
West End behind Longfellow Place, if.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know the terrain.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
When we get back, we will finish up and be
talking with the executive director of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
Mark Bracken, coming back on Nightside right after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's Nightside with Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
All right, wrapping it up here, we're gonna finish on
a high note and and maybe hopefully a million dollar
note for you. We're delighted to welcome back to Night Side,
Mark Bracken. He's the executive director of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
and we're here to talk about a new game. You
guys always are coming up with games. Mark Bracken, how.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Are you, sir, I'm good, Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How you doing so, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So this one is Ghostbusters an instant ticket game. Tell
us about Ghostbusters. I remember the movie, but I guess
the Ghostbusters now is more than the movie. It's it's
also a Massachusetts lottery ticket and instant instant game ticket.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Yeah, so nostalgia, right, it's you know, it's one of
those things where, you know, we don't do a lot
of licensed properties here in the Commonwealth compits out of states,
but when we see one that we like, it's just
a great looking tickets, eight different designs. It's a five
dollar ticket. It's a symbol match. Not everyone loves a
symbol match, so it's not like a key number match
or matching symbols. But you know, it works exactly like
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our regular five dollar tickets. A million dollar grand prize,
and they went on sale back on the ninth of
this month, so we're about a little bit over two
weeks in on sales and we've already had our first
million dollar grand prize. When to come in.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, this was, as I understanding with someone out who
stayed at Connecticut residence.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
How did that happen?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Yeah, so a Connecticut resident bought it in Agawam. You know,
I'll tell you. You know we hear a lot of
times is all the winners are always embossed, and all
the winners are always in bossed and not three three
biggest jackpots that have come in so far the most recently,
all came from either central or western mass So this
almost purchased out in Agawam. And the interesting thing about
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this gentleman is that this gentleman also won ten thousand
dollars on an instant ticket at the exact same store
the week before that. No, so she is a lucky guy.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, boys do it? Do my grocery shopping there as well?
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Oh so yeah, I mean he's he's from NFLD Connecticut,
So it's close, right close to the border. And I think,
you know, we see I think we've talked about this before.
You know, you know a lot of these borders hounds,
they cross over into Massachusetts because we do have the
higher payouts and the higher prize prizes that are than
our border states. So you know, we we do see
a lot of cross border purchasing.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So how long does the ghost Busters million dollar UH
lottery ticket? How you know, how long does is this
going to be going for how many million dollar tickets
are gonna I don't know if even you're allowed to
know that.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Do you have some idea?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
You know, it's it's that's all. That's all public record.
If anyone can go to our website and look at
any instant ticket, it tells you how many prizes are
for the entire print run, how many prizes are at
every single prize level. And our website actually updates on
the hour or say it's close to the hour as possible,
on how many prizes have been played. So okay, you
can go on there and if there's you know, if
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there were fifty eight, seven hundred and forty two ten
dollars prizes, it'll tell you, you know, x amount have
already been claimed.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Okay, you know about how many million how many million
dollar winners will there ultimately be on assuming that this
is the run for this ticket, or does this ticket
get renewed. I don't quite understand how these work. So
that's and maybe some of my audience don't either.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, so it all depends. So for the run of
this ticket, there are three million dollar top prizes. It's
not a large run of a ticket. It's only ten
million tickets, which is a little bit you know, it's
a little bit less than we usually do on a
five dollar ticket. So there's just over ten million tickets.
I think it's ten million, eighty thousand. The overall odds
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are one in four point oh three, so every you know,
so that's about twenty five percent of the Every ticket
printed is a It doesn't mean that if you buy four,
your guaranteed a winner. If you you know, it can
go somewhere. I don't know on this ticket particular, but
sometimes it can go ten around ten without having a winner.
But then you can have five back to back. Sure,
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but you know, but it'll you know, if anyone can
look at our website and it tells you all the prizes.
So there's three million dollar prizes, you know, we don't
know where they at. It's pretty much an equal distribution
throughout the ticket run. But it's been selling. It's been
selling like crazy. We're already kind of we're approaching ten
percent sold already in a matter of two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So who determines if.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This particular ticket, both in terms of its brand and
also the price allocations? Who determines if the ticket is
then so renewed, renewed again. Is it? Is it based
upon how quickly these tickets how the public reacts.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Is that I assume there has to be an element
of that.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, absolutely, especially for a ticket like this. If we
were to do a reorder, if it was if it
sells out really quick, you know, we'd do a reorder.
We don't do a lot of reorders, to be honest,
because we like to try to. We like to say
we'd like to try to mix it up, even though
the majority of our tickets just look like a reiteration
of a ticket we've done before. You know, we would
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you would like to think that it could be more creativity,
and we're trying. We're actually, uh. Last month, we introduced
a new prize value proposition that we've never done before
on a ten dollar ticket with just one hundred thousand
dollars top prizes. Next month we release our Christmas tickets,
we have a twenty dollar ticket instead of having that
large multi million dollar top prize, is loaded with a
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top prize of just two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So we're trying to mix it up on the kind
of the prize value propositions to see how the players react.
But a ticket like this, if it sells out really fast,
we'll do a full reorder. And we do a full reorder,
we'll just reprint the entire order. Obviously prizes get mixed up,
but would stick with the kind of the same prize
payout and order an entire new run of ten million
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dollar tickets.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So give us an assessment. I know that the competition
for you know, the dollars of people who are willing
to play the lottery, there's a lot of competition now
with all of the online gaming that that has come
come down the pike. How's the lottery doing? It has
to be a tough time for the lottery to keep
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up because you've done so well every year.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
How's the lottery doing this year?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
You know, so this cisly Yes, so far we're actually
doing really well. But that'ss we started the you know,
the first couple of months of the fiscal the first quarter,
we had that one point seven billion dollar jackpot run,
which is very helpful. You know, if you look at
our numbers last year, our numbers were down, but if
you then hold those numbers up and look at where
those numbers are down, almost the entire almost the entire
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loss was from our draw games, and it's because we
only saw one billion dollar jackpot run last fiscal year,
whereas the year before we had four billion dollar jackpot runs.
But Keino was very strong last year. We were up
over thirty million dollars, which kind of canceled out what
we were down in instant tickets. So I think, if
you know, it's one of those things where you know,
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when a jackpot run, someone goes into the store, they
buy a ticket, and they end up buying other tickets. Sure,
it's also great for the stores and the agents because
someone has to go into the store to buy the tickets,
so they're also buying whatever else the store is selling.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Those kind of you know, yeah, those that those are
not the big ones. The billion dollar ones are the
national lotteries.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Right, yes, yeah, those are the poleball and the Mega millions.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, So you folks, I assume based upon you know,
get revenue from however many tickets are sold in Massachusetts,
I assume.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Correct, where we only we only get a cut of
the Massachusetts sales.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well right, okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But still
it's nice to have that out there. As well.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Mark is always you keep going. You guys are like
the energizer bunny. You keep going and you keep generating
funds that a return to the cities and towns in Massachusetts.
The best lottery in the country, and it has continued
so under you and the State Treasurer. So congratulations for
what you do for the for the citizens and taxpayers
of Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Thanks. I really appreciate it. It was good talking as always.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
As always, Mark Bracken, the executive director of the Massachusetts
State Lottery, the best in the land, no doubt about that.
When we get back, we are going to change topics
and we're going to focus on the future of higher
education with the president of Brandei's University, Arthur Levin will
be will be with us right after the nine PM
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news here at night side
It's eyes Dan Ray. I'm going easy Bondon's news radio pro.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I can promise you you will have a fabulous night
if you stay with Nightside all the way until midnight,
or actually until about eleven fifty eight. My name is
Dan Ray, the host of Nightside and Rob Brooks and
I the producer of this program.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Back in the control room also to accept your.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Phone calls after nine o'clock where we are locked and
loaded and ready tonight. We're going to talk later on
tonight with the president of Brandeis University, Arthur Levine, about
the future of higher education. And he has a very
different view and his already implemented some changes at Brandei's
and I suspect some of you probably might want to
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ask him a question about the value of a college education.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Obviously, the introduction of artificial intelligence has anyone who is
actually thinking about the future realizing that AI will play
a role. What type of rule will play we have
yet to find out, but it is a role that
everybody should be contemplating and considering, and certainly the president
of Brandeis University, Arthur Lavina, is a leader.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
In thought in that area.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And then we're going to talk about that problem with
the mass Pike service plaza deal. Now there are in
all eighteen plazas around the state, eleven of them on
the mass Pike, which are part of an incredible thirty
five year deal that was awarded to a company from Ireland,
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much to the chagrin of a local bidder, Global Partners,
and last night, without much notice and with little reason given,
Apple Green the winner of the contract Withdrew and we're
going to go and talk about that with John Chester
of the Boston Globe. He has his pulse on the
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business community in Boston, in Massachusetts, New England that matter
like no one else. Of John Chester or the Buston
Globe will join us at ten tonight. Now we have
four interesting guests coming up. We're going to learn about
a blood shortage or a need for blood donations with
the American Red Cross.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Jeff Hall will join us in a moment. A little
bit later on, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Going to talk about the writings of Frederick Douglass and
Abraham Lincoln, two incredibly important Americans obviously in the mid
nineteenth century. We'll also talk about a memorial set tomorrow
for the late Assistant Attorney General Paul McLoughlin, who was
gotten down by a gang member thirty years ago. Tomorrow
there'll be a memorial service tomorrow, a mass of remembrance,
(02:43):
and we'll talk with the head of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
the executive director of Mark Bracken, about Ghostbusters, the new
instant ticket game, and more what is new with the lottery.
But first, Jeff Hall returns from the Massachusetts or the
Red Cross at Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Jeff Hall, welcome, How are you this evening.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You're very welcome. Is this a time of year when
the Red Cross? The Red Cross needs blood throughout the year.
I understand that, but is there anything going on that
we should be aware of that the need is especially
critical at this point, you know, mid to late September.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, well, the need is constant. As you said, Uh,
you know, normally this time of year, we're dealing with
hurricanes and storms like we did last year, and those always,
uh you know, kind of slow down blood collection with
people you know, trying to evacuate or or take stock
of what's going on in their homes.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
So we don't have this year, So we're lucky. But
it is just a good time to remind people that
you know, the need is constant. Blood is a perishable Uh,
this thing that people donate that can only be donated
by people can't be manufactured. So well, yeah, go ahead, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We're moving into that time of year when bad weather,
you know, the weather gets a little worse as the
fall goes on, and then we have to face a
traditional New England winter. We're at the time of the
season when we're facing probably the six toughest months of
the year before we get to say next April or May,
when we can once again look forward to.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Late spring and the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So that means that over the course of the winter,
there's going to be probably some folks who would normally
get in.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As blood donors.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And so you have an incentive above and beyond doing
the right thing for your fellow citizens, but you have
an incentive available. I don't know for how long, but
tell us about the incentive and how people can not
only contribute, but actually gain a little something by contributing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, we have a great partner and sponsor in Amazon
right now and they're giving away ten dollars gift cards
to anbody that donates blood right now, blood platelets or plasma.
So it's a great way to come in and do
a good thing for your community. But you also get
a little something back from our sponsor Amazon. So that's
the promotion we have running for about the next month.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh okay, so this is month long.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And then how many locations and how tough is it
for people to find a location? I assume everybody at
this point is able to access if they don't have
a computer, at least can access a computer. But how
many different donation locations are still in existence in Massachusetts?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, we have seven six donation sites across the state.
We just opened one in Bedford this week, so we
are adding more, and we probably run twenty to twenty
five mobile blood drives every single day across the state.
So if you have access to a computer, you can
go online and find the blood drive that's closest to you,
usually within about ten miles from you.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, where are the fixed locations?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
We have fixed locations in Boston, Danvers, just opening, Bedford, Framingham, Springfield, Worcester,
rainhom And I know I'm forgetting one that's there.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't, Jeff, I don't mean to put you on
the spot here, but obviously people can go to.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
The website, but I'm just trying to make it easy
and then they can do they need to sign up
in advance or what they need to do in preparation.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Can they eat that morning of the donations? What are
the requirements? I just don't want people walking and spending
their time getting there and either doing something that they
shouldn't do or you know, drinking eighteen cups of coffee
for example. I'm not sure what the limitations are and
also perhaps what the requirements are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Conversely, yeah, it's always best to make an appointment. That way,
you can schedule your day. Some places take walk ins,
but generally we ask people to make an appointment online.
You can and as so long as you're feeling well
when you wake up in the morning of your appointment,
you can give blood. Don't do anything different than you
normally do every day you come in. You take a
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brief health history and if that goes fine, and if
you've never given blood, we ask you a couple more questions.
But usually if you're giving a whole blood donation, you're
in and out within an hour.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And also again just to emphasize It's not as if
sometimes when you're getting a blood test down at your
at your doctor's office in advance of a physical a
couple of days later, you have to fast from midnight.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
People just go off the normal course of business.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you have a big breakfast, have a big breakfast,
if you have a bowl of cereal.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And that's normally. You don't have to do anything different.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is what you said, correct, right, nothing special, Just go
on about your normal day, you know, just take evaluate
yourself in the morning. If you feel sick, probably not
a good idea to donate blood. That's one of the
first questions we're going to ask you. If you're feeling
healthy today, we usually defer you if you're not. If
you're not feeling well, you have a fever, we asked
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that you stay home and you can reschedule appointment for
some time when you're feeling better.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Assume that you folks in the process take a person's temperature,
even if they say, oh, I'm feeling great, you want
to make sure that they're not running a fever. I
assume that's done. You know, it's just part of the
part of the process.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, we do a basic health screening temperature. We ask
you how you feel in the short blood pressure, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And also when you walk well.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Eventually you get a blood donor card, and I guess
that blood donor card will tell you what type of
blood you have provided that's correct.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
If you've never donated, it's a great way to find
out your blood type. You know, we ask people if
it eases the time through the blood drought through your
blood donation. We have an app that you canload to
your phone. Uh and after your donation, that app will
even tell you when in where your donation is used.
So that kind of gives you closes the loop on
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your donation and you can see where your blood's used.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I didn't really that's interesting because to think that you
realize that the blood that you donate on a Wednesday,
like today, maybe Friday, or maybe next week, how long
is the blood kept and still can be utilized? Is
there a you know, is there use by date on
the on these blood donations?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
There is?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, blood lasts about two weeks. Uh. Plasma and platelets
last uh in like five or six days. Uh, So
it is used almost immediately from the time of your donation.
It goes through a screening process and is processed here
in Massachusetts that are dead of Massachusetts facility and then
it's off to hospitals or different cancer treatment centers.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Excellent, well, Jeff Hall, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Give us the website one more time so that everybody
has an opportunity, you know, right to write it down.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, redcrossblood dot org and you can find your nearest
blood drive right on that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Page Redcrossblood dot o RG.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Jeff Hall is always thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This is one of my favorite interviews because out of
this interview some good will come for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Thank you, Jeff, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
When we get back.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Right after the break, we're going to talk about the
writings of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
These are important writings because the book touches on the
relationship between Douglas and Lincoln. We're going to talk with
college professor Jonathan White, co author of this book, and
we will be back talking a little bit about the
Civil War they're up up to, and then writings that
were contemporaneous and perhaps after the Civil War writings of
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Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Back of nights out after this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on you Bzy
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right, we're going to talk with Jonathan White, co
author of a book Measuring the Man, the writings of
Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln, and the book touches on
the relationship between Douglas and Lincoln. And I'm not a historian,
Professor White, you are, but my understanding is that the
relationship was not love at first sight, and it was, uh,
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it was sometimes contentious.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, that's exactly right. Frederick Douglas was one of Lincoln's
biggest critics at the beginning of the Civil War. In fact,
Douglas was so angry that Lincoln was willing to enforce
the Fugitive Slave Act that he said the South had
no reason to seceed, they had nothing to fear. In fact,
he said Lincoln was the South's greatest slave hound. But
over the course of the war they had several interactions.
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They actually met in person three times, and so by
the end of the war and by the time Lincoln
is assassinated, Douglas has come to see Lincoln as a friend,
and Lincoln, for in his art, came to see Douglas
as someone who was really worthy of admiration and someone
whose advice he was willing to listen to.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Through Douglas's eyes, was Lincoln a strategist that Douglas did
not appreciate or was if through Douglas's eyes, was Lincoln
a man who changed his own view on the morality
the legitimacy of slavery.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Well, Lincoln always believed that slavery was immoral, and he
said he could never remember a time in his life
where he didn't so think and feel that way. For Douglas,
Douglas believed that the Constitution was an anti slavery document
and that if you just had the right person in
the presidency, that they could get rid of slavery. From
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Lincoln's perspective, even though he believed slavery was im moral,
he didn't believe that he could just get rid of
slavery simply because he was now president. And so when
Lincoln becomes president, Douglas is really critical of him for
acting too slowly in terms of destroying slavery in this country.
But eventually Douglas comes to understand that Lincoln was facing
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real political realities. You know, just because your president doesn't
mean you can do whatever you want, especially if you're
going to be standing for reelection in a year or two,
you have to think about your constituents. And while Douglas
was really frustrated that Lincoln seemed to be too slow
and too political early in the war, once Douglas began
to realize, Okay, Lincoln is working methodically and the path
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he's taking will eventually get us there, I think then
Douglas came to appreciate what Lincoln was doing.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What was Lincoln's position during the election of eighteen sixty
and was it significantly different during the election of eighteen
sixty four.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Oh, that's a great question. So Lincoln's position in eighteen
sixty was the standard Republican position that year, and that
was that the federal government cannot touch slavery where it exists.
So if a state wants to have slavery, the state
can have it, and they can pass laws regulating it.
But Lincoln and other Republicans believed that the federal government
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could stop slavery from spreading. Now, the Supreme Court had
said Congress can't stop slavery from spreading, but Lincoln's view was, essentially,
I can ignore the Supreme Court and do what I
think the Constitution allows, and so when Lincoln runs, that's
his policy. He'll enforce slave laws that are on the books.
He'll allow slavery to exist where it already exists, but
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he'll stop it from spreading.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So yeah, it almost sounds like that that Lincoln in
eighteen sixty is adopting what the Democratic governors of one
hundred years later adopted, which was the state's rights position.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah. I mean it's not so much a state's rights position,
although I suppose in some ways it is. It was
actually a position that went all the way back to
the first Federal Congress in seventeen ninety there had been
a group of Quakers from New York and another from
Philadelphia who tried to get Congress to end slavery throughout
the nation, and Congress essentially said, look, the Constitution doesn't
say anything about this matter, and that means it is
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a matter left to the states. So I suppose you're
right it's kind of a Tenth Amendment issue that the
states would be allowed to regulate. But things for Lincoln
changed by the time he runs for reelection. So by
that point he has actually signed a law ending the
Transatlantic slave trade.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He's fought that off.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
He's stopped slavery in the territories. He's issued emancipation Proclamation,
freeing the slaves in the South. But at that point
Lincoln is concerned what happens when the war ends. Emancipation
was a military measure, and Lincoln feared that if the
war ended, that all of a sudden, his Emancipation Proclamation
was no longer valid. And so for the last few
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months of his life he pushes very hard to try
to get Congress to adopt the thirteenth Amendment. And when
he ran for reelection, he ran on a platform pledging
the thirteenth Amendment, and that was a way of saying, Okay,
now the Constitution will forever ban slavery.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And Douglas obviously outlived Abraham Lincoln by some time. Did
Douglas then help craft the historical record of Lincoln's life
wrought by his teachings and writings.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yes, Douglas is one of the most astute observers of
American life in the nineteenth century, and he had a
very long life from eighteen eighteen to eighteen ninety five,
and so he and he was constantly writing. He wrote
three autobiographies, he edited several newspapers. He was giving speeches
for his whole life, traveling all over the world, giving
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speeches in the UK and throughout the US, and as
he does these writings, in these speeches, he's absolutely shaping
the way that his generation will think about things, and
also that future generations will think about things. One of
the ways that Douglas really did this with Lincoln was
in eighteen seventy six, Douglas gave a speech dedicating a
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statue in Washington, d c. That had been paid for
by former slaves. There used to be actually a copy
of the statue on the street of Boston. Yeah, in
twenty twenty it was taken from.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Some controversy about that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think back here in Boston, I remember, I remember
it used to walk by the statue. Professor, this was
really a really interesting conversation. I thank you. You're a
professor at Christopher Newport University and vice chair of the
Lincoln Forum. I'm not familiar with Christopher Newport University is,
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but if all the professors are as interesting as you are,
it must be quite quite a school.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
It's a great school. It was founded about sixty years ago.
We were initially a feeder School for William and Mary,
the College of William and Mary and Williamsburg. We're about
twenty five minutes south of there, and we became a
freestanding institution in the nineteen seventies and a university I
think in the eighties or nineties. It's really a wonderful school.
And actually I have a couple of students from Massachusetts,
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so we're starting to get a reach beyond the Virginia region.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, that's great. Those students from Massachusetts are lucky to
have you as a professor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The book is Measuring the Man.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Referencing to Lincoln, the writings of Frederick Douglas on Abraham Lincoln.
I assume that's available Amazon and the fine bookstores wherever
fine books are sold.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yep, anywhere fine books are sold. It's available.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, Thank you very much. Love to have you back,
Professor Jonathan White. Measuring the Man, the Writings of Frederick
Douglass on Abraham Lincoln. If you're a Civil War historian
of Civil War buff I think it should be in
your library.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Thank you, professor, Thank you for your time. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
When we get back right after the news at the
bottom of the air, we're going to talk about a
memorial mass tomorrow for a former prosecutor who thirty years
ago tomorrow was gunned down by a gang member here
in Boston. That gang member is spending the rest of
his life, hopefully in prison. We'll be talking with former
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retired judge Jeffrey Locke, who knew Paul McLoughlin very well,
and we're going to give you that information if I believe,
this is going to be open to the public, so
listen up and we'll let you know all the details.
My name is Dan Ray. This is the Nightside. We're
heading on the other side of the break to guest
number three, Judge Jeffrey Locke.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It's Night Side with Ray, Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I am delighted to be joined by a friend of
many years, Judge Jeffrey Locke. Jeff Locke, the former Chief
Justice of the Trial Court here in Massachusetts. Judge Locke,
welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
How are you this evening?
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Thank you, Dan, I'm doing fine. Thank you for keeping
Paul's memory alive.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well, that's what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just want to note that we are both graduates
of Boston University Law School. I think you're a little
younger than I am, but we do have the degrees
from the same law school, so we have that commonality.
Although I never really got close to ever being elevated
to the bench, and you spent many years on the
bench here in Massachusetts. But to the issue at hand,
(20:18):
there's an assistant district attorney who became a special prosecutor
in the Suffolk County's District Attorney's office in the early
nineteen nineties, who was himself assassinated in West Roxbury thirty
years ago tomorrow. His name is Paul McLoughlin. Came from
a very significant family. We grew up next to the
(20:41):
McLoughlin family in Reville, Massachusetts in VA housing a long
time ago, and Paul was younger than me. I was
very close with Paul's brother, Edward McLaughlin, who we attended
Boston Latin School.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Tell us about Paul.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He was a prosecutor and he was targeted and was
shot and killed by the man that he was about
to prosecute for the third time. And that individual, thank goodness,
is still incarcerated and will serve the rest of his life, hopefully,
unless the legislature doesn't change the law. He will spend
the rest of his life in prison. Tell us about Paul.
(21:24):
You were a friend and a colleague.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Paul was just a thoroughly decent, unassuming humbo Boston native
born and bred, as you just noted. I get to
know Paul when we were side by side in the
Cambridge office of the Middlesex District Attorney's Office in nineteen
(21:51):
eighty three, and we became very close friends and colleagues.
And Paul was one of a kind graduate of Dartmouth
College Suffolk Law, lived in Boston all his life except
for when he was up at Dartmouth, and so committed
to this city. Just phenomenal. He was meticulous in his appearance,
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in the way he presented, and meticulous in the way
he prosecuted cases. Of the hundreds of lawyers that appeared
on the other side with Paul, you'll never find one
to have a bad word about him. He was such a.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Gentleman that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
His dad served as Lieutenant Governor Edward McLaughlin, who your dad,
of course, served in the State Senate here in Massachusetts
for many years. I got to know your father very
well as a reporter, and I also knew ed McLoughlin
who then had a very significant law practice at a
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former law firm, Herrican Smith. My first memory in life.
I want to share this with you if I could.
I've never told this story publicly, but my first memory
in life. If people think back, what's the first thing
you remember? Most people can't remember much past their third year.
My fourth year. I was about two years old, and
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one day I was sitting on the steps of our home,
our house. We were lived in a two family house.
The McLoughlin's lived in a two family house. Was v
A housing, and I remember police and fire rushing past
me and Paul's older sister. Paul was not born at
that point, but Paul's older sister had drowned in a
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small little fish pool. And so the McLoughlin family dealt
with not only the loss of Paul, their son, but
many many years earlier, they had dealt with the loss
of a really a baby daughter. And they, you know,
Ed McLoughlin and his wife, Sissy McLoughlin, were good friends
(24:06):
over time, and he came from a very special set
of parents. Is and and so everything you've said about
Paul rings true in my mind because I got you know,
new Ed McLoughlin and and Paul's mom over the years,
they were special people. I'm sure you have had your
opportunities to spend time with them as well.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Yeah, Ed, Ed and Sissy really developed such a close
family network. And to see Paul interact with his brothers,
with Ted and with Rick, with his sister Judy, they
were so tight. It was an incredible opportunity to see
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them as a unit and all based on the parents.
Pall at one point and left the DA's office to
run for State rep for the state representative seat in Westbrook,
and I'll never forget a number of us were called
on a Saturday to do some door to door reefitting
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for Paul and we showed up in West Roxbury at
the little campaign office and Eddie McLaughlin was running that show,
and boy, it was all time Boston politics. He was
giving us our marching orders and our roots and don't
miss a house, and don't forget to be polite and
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to say good morning and thank you for seeing us.
It was something to be involved with. And I grew
up on the Republican side of the aisle. Paul and
Ed as longtime Democrats, but it made no difference because
of the person that was seeking the office. I would
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have been out there for Paul on any election that
he was interested in, and it was because he wanted
to make a difference in the city. He was so
committed to the neighborhoods of Boston.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yes, he was. And he died.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know, he was shot and killed at that MBTA
stop in West Roxbury, right near Roach Brothers, thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's amazing the time the time has flown. Now the
memorial mass tomorrow, I assume it would be open to
the public. If I'm wrong on that, please tell me.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
No, the mass is open to the public. It's consider
from the West End, Saint Joseph's O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Drive, O'Connell Way, you correct, yep.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Yes, at four pm.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then there'll be a gathering I guess at the
UMSS Boston Club at five o'clock.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Yes, as a reception afterwards. I think that may be
by RSVP. But I believe certainly the mass is open
to the public and I expect it will be quite
a crowd because as Paul is remembered by so many.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, I know that church very well.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's very close to the Regina Cleary, which is the
retirement community for Archsiosis and Priest Judge Jeffrey Locke. Thank
you so much for your time. I miss talking to
you and I miss talking to your dad as well.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I want you to know that.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right tomorrow, good night, good good evening, four pm
tomorrow at Saint Joseph Catholic Church in Boston on on
O'Connell Way. Pretty easy to find. Parking can be tough,
but it's right in what we would call the old
West End behind Longfellow Place, if.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know the terrain.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
When we get back, we will finish up and be
talking with the executive director of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
Mark Bracken, coming back on Nightside right after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's Nightside with Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
All right, wrapping it up here, we're gonna finish on
a high note and and maybe hopefully a million dollar
note for you. We're delighted to welcome back to Night Side,
Mark Bracken. He's the executive director of the Massachusetts State Lottery,
and we're here to talk about a new game. You
guys always are coming up with games. Mark Bracken, how.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Are you, sir, I'm good, Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How you doing so, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So this one is Ghostbusters an instant ticket game. Tell
us about Ghostbusters. I remember the movie, but I guess
the Ghostbusters now is more than the movie. It's it's
also a Massachusetts lottery ticket and instant instant game ticket.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Yeah, so nostalgia, right, it's you know, it's one of
those things where, you know, we don't do a lot
of licensed properties here in the Commonwealth compits out of states,
but when we see one that we like, it's just
a great looking tickets, eight different designs. It's a five
dollar ticket. It's a symbol match. Not everyone loves a
symbol match, so it's not like a key number match
or matching symbols. But you know, it works exactly like
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our regular five dollar tickets. A million dollar grand prize,
and they went on sale back on the ninth of
this month, so we're about a little bit over two
weeks in on sales and we've already had our first
million dollar grand prize. When to come in.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, this was, as I understanding with someone out who
stayed at Connecticut residence.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
How did that happen?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Yeah, so a Connecticut resident bought it in Agawam. You know,
I'll tell you. You know we hear a lot of
times is all the winners are always embossed, and all
the winners are always in bossed and not three three
biggest jackpots that have come in so far the most recently,
all came from either central or western mass So this
almost purchased out in Agawam. And the interesting thing about
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this gentleman is that this gentleman also won ten thousand
dollars on an instant ticket at the exact same store
the week before that. No, so she is a lucky guy.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, boys do it? Do my grocery shopping there as well?
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Oh so yeah, I mean he's he's from NFLD Connecticut,
So it's close, right close to the border. And I think,
you know, we see I think we've talked about this before.
You know, you know a lot of these borders hounds,
they cross over into Massachusetts because we do have the
higher payouts and the higher prize prizes that are than
our border states. So you know, we we do see
a lot of cross border purchasing.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So how long does the ghost Busters million dollar UH
lottery ticket? How you know, how long does is this
going to be going for how many million dollar tickets
are gonna I don't know if even you're allowed to
know that.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Do you have some idea?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
You know, it's it's that's all. That's all public record.
If anyone can go to our website and look at
any instant ticket, it tells you how many prizes are
for the entire print run, how many prizes are at
every single prize level. And our website actually updates on
the hour or say it's close to the hour as possible,
on how many prizes have been played. So okay, you
can go on there and if there's you know, if
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there were fifty eight, seven hundred and forty two ten
dollars prizes, it'll tell you, you know, x amount have
already been claimed.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Okay, you know about how many million how many million
dollar winners will there ultimately be on assuming that this
is the run for this ticket, or does this ticket
get renewed. I don't quite understand how these work. So
that's and maybe some of my audience don't either.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, so it all depends. So for the run of
this ticket, there are three million dollar top prizes. It's
not a large run of a ticket. It's only ten
million tickets, which is a little bit you know, it's
a little bit less than we usually do on a
five dollar ticket. So there's just over ten million tickets.
I think it's ten million, eighty thousand. The overall odds
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are one in four point oh three, so every you know,
so that's about twenty five percent of the Every ticket
printed is a It doesn't mean that if you buy four,
your guaranteed a winner. If you you know, it can
go somewhere. I don't know on this ticket particular, but
sometimes it can go ten around ten without having a winner.
But then you can have five back to back. Sure,
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but you know, but it'll you know, if anyone can
look at our website and it tells you all the prizes.
So there's three million dollar prizes, you know, we don't
know where they at. It's pretty much an equal distribution
throughout the ticket run. But it's been selling. It's been
selling like crazy. We're already kind of we're approaching ten
percent sold already in a matter of two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So who determines if.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This particular ticket, both in terms of its brand and
also the price allocations? Who determines if the ticket is
then so renewed, renewed again. Is it? Is it based
upon how quickly these tickets how the public reacts.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Is that I assume there has to be an element
of that.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, absolutely, especially for a ticket like this. If we
were to do a reorder, if it was if it
sells out really quick, you know, we'd do a reorder.
We don't do a lot of reorders, to be honest,
because we like to try to. We like to say
we'd like to try to mix it up, even though
the majority of our tickets just look like a reiteration
of a ticket we've done before. You know, we would
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you would like to think that it could be more creativity,
and we're trying. We're actually, uh. Last month, we introduced
a new prize value proposition that we've never done before
on a ten dollar ticket with just one hundred thousand
dollars top prizes. Next month we release our Christmas tickets,
we have a twenty dollar ticket instead of having that
large multi million dollar top prize, is loaded with a
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top prize of just two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So we're trying to mix it up on the kind
of the prize value propositions to see how the players react.
But a ticket like this, if it sells out really fast,
we'll do a full reorder. And we do a full reorder,
we'll just reprint the entire order. Obviously prizes get mixed up,
but would stick with the kind of the same prize
payout and order an entire new run of ten million
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dollar tickets.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So give us an assessment. I know that the competition
for you know, the dollars of people who are willing
to play the lottery, there's a lot of competition now
with all of the online gaming that that has come
come down the pike. How's the lottery doing? It has
to be a tough time for the lottery to keep
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up because you've done so well every year.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
How's the lottery doing this year?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
You know, so this cisly Yes, so far we're actually
doing really well. But that'ss we started the you know,
the first couple of months of the fiscal the first quarter,
we had that one point seven billion dollar jackpot run,
which is very helpful. You know, if you look at
our numbers last year, our numbers were down, but if
you then hold those numbers up and look at where
those numbers are down, almost the entire almost the entire
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loss was from our draw games, and it's because we
only saw one billion dollar jackpot run last fiscal year,
whereas the year before we had four billion dollar jackpot runs.
But Keino was very strong last year. We were up
over thirty million dollars, which kind of canceled out what
we were down in instant tickets. So I think, if
you know, it's one of those things where you know,
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when a jackpot run, someone goes into the store, they
buy a ticket, and they end up buying other tickets. Sure,
it's also great for the stores and the agents because
someone has to go into the store to buy the tickets,
so they're also buying whatever else the store is selling.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Those kind of you know, yeah, those that those are
not the big ones. The billion dollar ones are the
national lotteries.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Right, yes, yeah, those are the poleball and the Mega millions.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, So you folks, I assume based upon you know,
get revenue from however many tickets are sold in Massachusetts,
I assume.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Correct, where we only we only get a cut of
the Massachusetts sales.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well right, okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But still
it's nice to have that out there. As well.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Mark is always you keep going. You guys are like
the energizer bunny. You keep going and you keep generating
funds that a return to the cities and towns in Massachusetts.
The best lottery in the country, and it has continued
so under you and the State Treasurer. So congratulations for
what you do for the for the citizens and taxpayers
of Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Thanks. I really appreciate it. It was good talking as always.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
As always, Mark Bracken, the executive director of the Massachusetts
State Lottery, the best in the land, no doubt about that.
When we get back, we are going to change topics
and we're going to focus on the future of higher
education with the president of Brandei's University, Arthur Levin will
be will be with us right after the nine PM
(36:48):
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