August 4, 2025 • 39 mins
Are Israel and Hamas any closer to reaching a ceasefire? A U.S. backed proposal for a 60-day ceasefire involving hostage exchanges and aid access collapsed. Israel is now considering expanding its military offensive in Gaza, while Hamas has rejected demands to disarm. The discussion continued.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's niche video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Kyle. We are going to continue our
conversation about what's going on in the Middle East. My
instinct is that we are coming to a conclusion here.
I'm not sure it's a conclusion that everyone will like,
but I don't know that Israel has any other choice
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at this point. I think all of you know how
I feel. But at the same time, I thought that
Dawn's call from Florida was a great call, and if
you share his viewpoint, I'd like to converse with us.
That's what this show is all about. I try to
take a position clearly when I feel strongly about something,
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and I do feel strongly about the survival of the
state of Israel. It represents, I think, what we as
the West, and I'll put it in those terms. Represents
It does represent democracy, It represents freedom, It represents literature,
it represents art, it represents capitalism. It is a country
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that has literally flowered in the desert. For those of
you who don't know, it was created by the United
Nations in nineteen forty eight. In May of nineteen forty eight,
in the wake of World War II in the horrors
that were committed against Jewish people in Eastern Europe and
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Nazi Germany before that, the programs in Russia, as well
as anti Semitism which was virulent in this country. There
is still anti semitism in this country, so that's why
I have I think anti Semitism exists still on the
extreme right, but a lot of it has are now
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metastasized to the extreme left. So I thought that the
question the DeBie aster is a good one. It seems
to me that there is a clear example here that
if Halas had not attacked in such a brutal, vicious,
non military way. They didn't attack a military outpost.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
They didn't. They attacked old old men and old women
and infant children and parents. That was who they were attacking.
So as I say, you can agree, you can disagree.
That's what this show is all about. It is not
about my point of view. It's about all of our
points of view, and that has been what this show
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has been about from day one. I have an obligation
to stake out my beliefs. I try to be as
honest as I can with you about my beliefs, and
we're just going to keep rolling here, and we're going
to talk about what's going on in the Middle East.
I'm appalled that France and England and Canada, for example,
are actually suggesting that they would somehow recognize the Palestinian state,
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where under what circumstances, As Jeff Robins said, who would
govern that state?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Hamas. Iran, of course, has been the puppeteer for this
for decades. Iran now has been put a little bit
in this place by the bombing that the Trump administration
did of Iran's nuclear sites. Now Iran is finally admitting
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that those sites were badly damaged, and so we need
to maintain the initiative here and finish the play. In
my opinion, there was always going to be anti Semitism.
We cannot eradicate anti semitism. We also cannot tolerate anti
semitism anywhere in the world. Next up, I'm going to
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go to Joe and Weston. Joe, you first, is our
appreciate you calling in, Go right.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Ahead, Hello, Dan and Jeff.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Unfortunately, Jeff, Jeff is a very active, practicing attorney, So
I let him. I let him leave leave God, So
you just got me. Joe.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'm sorry Okay, well, Dad, that's fine because I was
just going to say that your explanation on how to
understand Israel's opposition in the media was very much on
target and enlightening, and I really appreciated it. I think
it is important to understand the Israel's opposition mentality. You
just explained your mentality of why you support Israel, and
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I think it was beautiful to hear. But the mendacity
that's going on, and you just mentioned a couple of
these things in twofold is tremendous, and I just wonder,
in addition to your thoughts about the media, if you
could comment on what your thoughts are on these two examples.
A guy like Don just called and I don't know
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if he said that Israel was committing genocide use that
word or not, but he's concerned about sixty thousand gozsins.
Let's say that's a corre number. Jeff doesn't know, I
don't know, twenty thousand. Let's say Israel's numbers. Twenty thousand
of them are militants. So out of two point one
million Gozzens, forty thousand civilians at the most, even with
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God with Hamas's claim have been killed, two point one
million Gozzins. Israel's army has wiped out most of you know,
taken most of Gaza Strip, has wiped out has Belaff,
has taken on Iran and controlled Iran's airspace. How could
Israel's military, How could Don or people like him be
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thinking about Israel committing genocide when there are two point
one million people and maybe forty thousand innocents have been killed.
What do you think the mentality is there?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Dan Well, I respect his position, and I'm sure you
respect this position as well. He may be someone who,
you know, just you cannot tolerate the loss of people
who are not direct combatants. But I would just suggest
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to Dawn and to anyone who feels that way. Hamas
has built their underground tunnels, under schools, under hospitals. They
did that intentionally. They're using hamas As, using Gosins and
Palestinians as shields, and they, you know, they are at
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fault for many of those twenty thousand deaths. I mean,
they could not have expected Israel not to have responded
to the attack of October seventh, anymore than I think
Japan could have assumed that we would not have responded
to Pearl Harbor, and it would be wonderful. It would
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be wonderful in a perfect world if somehow net Yahoo
would have given a very strong speed on October tenth
and told Tomas never to do that again. Although Hamas
was saying that already, they were saying, we will have
many October sevenths. What did What do people expect yahu Is,
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the leader of his nation to do throw rose petals
at Hamas and and caution them. I just think it's
they're out of touch with the reality, in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So if you're really you're just saying that these folks
and I don't want to talk about don no. These
folks just don't really grasp the reality that there's good
and evil in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That may be part of it. And they also look
at the United States and the West generally and capitalism,
all of which are embodied by Israel. Israel is considered
by many a Western democracy, even though it's in the
Middle East. It's a capitalistic society. It is a society
which has historically been an ally of the United States,
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and a lot of people see the United States as
a big, powerful force and not a force for good.
But a force for what but they perceive as evil?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, do you need to go to the next cor
could I ask you another topic?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So this week, you know, within the last week and
you just mentioned that France, England and Canada have said
they're going to possibly recognize the Palestine state. And at
the same time, in France this week, a woman, a
woman's post on social media were found to be so evil,
so antisemitic, so glorifying Hitler that they just kicked her
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out of the country and sent her to cut her
you've heard that story.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I had not heard that story.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, oh, yeah, what this woman who heard she was
part of this special new Gaza refugee program and they
discovered that she was so was so evil they just
kicked her out of the country within days of finding
it out. And this is the same country France is
that of France, the same country where their leader is
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going to recognize the Palestinian state. That, as you said,
who is to be led by hamas two point one
million people next to Israel who have these same views. Now,
I have a friend who fought in Gaza, and he
says that every home he went into had amas flags,
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had anti Semitic books had mine comps that it's not
just Hamas, it's the whole population. So how do we
deal with these world leaders who, somehow, because of their
own politics, are going to throw Israel literally under the
bus of the rape and torture and murder of the
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Hamas these people, when they won't even have one person
in their country.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, well, of course, as somebody who's believe in the
First Amendment, France doesn't have a First Amendment, I get that,
But I would think that in France, the better way
to deal with this individual, as opposed to exiling her
to cut her, would have been to have found some
smart French people, intellectuals, if you will, who would write
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articles and destroy her arguments, which is what I think
we're supposed to do in a civil society. But again,
I have no idea you know what McCrone is thinking
on either of those points. But certainly I enjoy and
I love the concept of irony, and it's pretty ironic
that they couldn't tolerate the presence of this one woman
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who obviously had a view of the world which is
pretty incompatible with the West, and yet they now want
to impose on the state of Israel. This small country
about the size of New Jersey, a Palestinian state within
really what I view as the borders of Israel.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, just incredible. Thanks Dan, thanks for your support of Israel.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, Joe. First of all, I don't know if you've
ever called my show before, but I want you to
become a regular caller.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Oh I will, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Have you called before?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
No, this is first couple of times. Yeah, well we'll.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Call much more often. Okay, Uh, you don't understand. I
shouldn't say it that way. I said. What I would
say to you is that you have influenced a lot
of people with your with your comments and good action.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Thank you, Minch Now you do every night. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm trying. Thanks Bell. Okay, got to take a break.
We're going to get everybody, and the only line that's
open right now is six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. If you can get through, feel free six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. I will get
to everyone, Dave and Bill and Joe and Laurie. I
promise I'll give you all an opportunity to say what
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you want to say, whatever your point of view, but
I would love you to support Israel and the continued
existence of Israel and Israel cannot continue to exist in
a set of circumstances to which they were subjected. On
October seventh, back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
This, It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Let's keep rolling. Here, we're going to go next to
where we're going to go next. They're going to go
to Laurie and Newton. Lori, you were next on Nightsacer.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Right ahead, Hi, you can hear me. Okay, here you fine, Laurie,
thank you very much for hey, and thank you for
taking my call. I really want to thank you so
much for your eloquent defense of Israel. Several of my
questions have been touched on, but I wanted to ask
a couple of things. One to ask first that you
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stressed your listeners that this is not just a fight
for Jews in Israel, but that this really is a
fight for Westerners and for democracy, and you did touch
on that. But the hip hypocrisy of the community at large,
and I dare say the progressive world of which I've always,
you know, considered myself a part, but now feel like
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I've sort of lost my home and the progressive world,
not despite the fact that I still carry my progressive values.
But I don't fit as a Zionist, as someone who's
a proud Jew and a proud supporter of Israel, you know,
I have I quote unquote, am not welcome. The Black
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Lives Matter movement was largely you know, I won't say dominated,
but it was covered with with the and co opted
by the Palestinian movement, and Jews were summarily drummed out
of marches and so on. The the Pussy Marches, if
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you remember, the Woman's March, had a huge codra of
people speaking out against Zionists and how Zionists won't welcome there,
and so it's a it's a dramatic change. But the
hypocrisy of the community at large in how it's looking
at Israel, UH is just beyond appalling to me. And
(14:14):
I wondered if you would talk a little bit about that.
Why is it that we can talk about how we
will never give into terrorism, well except if we're talking
about Israel. Uh, you know, what is what is the
world uh talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
When well, if you go with power that, if you
go back to Occupy Wall Street, that's when I first
picked up you know, I grew up realizing that anti
Semitism was a cancer of the far right. You know, yeah,
George Lincoln Rockwell and the Nazis who wanted to march
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in Skokie, Illinois, and and you know, we all understood
they had the right to march beyond with the First Amendment.
And which is difficult concer up, but can't occupy Wall Street.
And I remember to a school teacher from Los Angeles
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who was virulent because a lot of the Occupy Wall
Strike Wall Street stuff, there was a strong hint of
anti Semitism there, Rob, do you have that teacher from
Los Angeles who had played before? Okay, okay, this is
a woman who What struck me about this statement was
not the virulent anti semitism, but the fact that this
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woman felt strong, felt capable, or had sufficient license to
identify herself by name and her employment with this statement.
I want you to react to this. You perhaps have
never heard this before. You're not going to like it.
Payman affiliation Patrician McCallister.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I'm here representing myself, but I who work for the
Los Angeles Unified School District, and I think that, uh,
the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks in
our federal reserve, which is not run by the federal government.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
They need to be run out of this country.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's that's a school teacher in Los Angeles during Occupy
Wall Street.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Right, and and today that's that's long before any of
what's happening now.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh absolutely, But what I'm saying is that that was
sort of the first time that I'm seeing it and
hearing it and sensing it on the American left. Okay, today,
I'll take you to today. This is This is Senator
Elizabeth Warren in New York endorsing Johann Mandami. Okay, cut
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one one seven, rob one one seven. Is this what
the party.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Should look like?
Speaker 8 (16:57):
Yes, you've been The Democratic Party needs to stand up
and be clear. We are the party that fights for
affordability for working families. That means childcare, that means housing,
it means healthcare, It means making this country work better
for the working people who make this country work.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
I get a little excited about this.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So you know, she's going to inject herself into a
New York mayoral race on behalf of a guy that
has made virulently anti semitic statements within the last couple
of years.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Well, it's also complicated by the fact that there is
so much offense being taken at the suggestion that the
kinds of double standards at play for Jews when when
they're talking about Israel is acceptable, and that it's a
sensive to be to suggest that there's anti senmatism when
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you're simply denying that Israel has a right to exist
or delegitimizing Israel. The language has become so co optive,
that co opted that honestly, almost overt anti Semitism is kosher. Again,
So for any of our mainstream politicians to cozy up
to someone who is denying Israel and Jews and is
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trafficking in the kinds of tropes that we're talking about
sets us all up. It's normalizing all of this kind
of delegitimization and the double standard that is what we're
doing battle against now, and we can't fight the fight
very easily when there's so much fragility on the other side.
The suggestion, how dare you say that I am being
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antisemitic just because dot dot dot, just because I don't know,
I don't think the Jews have a right to a
homeland which is not the way they communicate it, but
it is the language that is the parlance of the
of the left.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now yond use the word that a lot of people
don't understand, and that you use the word trope. And
I would say that a lot of people in my audience,
and a lot of young people don't understand that these tropes,
you know, the Jews of the bankers and all of
that that this woman engaged in who I just played
for you. There are there are people who are impressionable
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who they say, hm, well, you know, maybe that woman
is right, and you know, no, she's not right. She's engaling.
She's engaging in century old anti Semitic tropes which laid
the foundation for programs and laid the foundation for Hitler
in Germany, and laid the foundation for Hamas, and laid
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the foundation for the theologians who are running Iran. And
if we don't understand that, and don't you realize that,
then we're going to see another holocaust of some sort.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Well, so this gets to where my question was, which
is how do we fight a battle in a sense,
how do we how do we defend ourselves in an
environment where the people who are perpetrating, uh, the anti
Semitism that we're experiencing now, are purported to be doing
this on the out of out of kindness and generosity
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and good faith in the public good, and you know,
all the most virtuous of of theoretically intent, even though
obviously it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think that we that if we don't learn from history,
we're doomed to repeat it. And the people who are
running Hamas are the descendants of the Grand Mufti, who,
along with Hitler in World War Two, was seen more
reviewing Nazi troops. So you know, this is this is
it's it's it's not just something that occurred today. And
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I try to talk about it on nights side as
much as I can, but there are some nights tonight
people are responding to it, which for which I'm deeply gratified. Okay,
I have been told at different times during my career,
don't talk about this issue and don't talk about that issue.
And I'm talking about even when I started here on
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talk radio, I was a reporter. For a long time,
no one knew what my part.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I remember you, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Didn't want you to know what my politics are. Now
I feel i'm obligated to tell you how I feel
about issues, and I feel deeply about Israel. My father
fought was in World War Two. He was not in Europe,
he was in China, Bourban, India, but he impressed upon
me and my family. Never again, I'm not Jewish, but
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when friends of mine come up to me. I have
friends of mine who are Catholic who come up to
me and say, Dan, you're really pretty pro Israel Jewish,
you know. And I look at him and I say,
very simply, this is my line. I said, no, I'm
not Jewish, but the guy that founded my religion was
Jewish Sowre.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And his parents.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Well, I don't want to hold you up, but if
I could just say one more thing, and then I'm
going to get off the air and let somebody else speak,
and just say that, you know, with everything that you're saying,
it's really reinforcing this notion that even those of us
who have always hoped for a two state solution understand
that the Masque cannot be proven to have done the
right thing on October seventh.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Cannot be rewarded work and rewarded.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
The powers trying to reward them with success. All I
can say, is God help us all? And how do
we get the world to understand how completely dangerous a
precedent is being said?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I can tell you this, and I'll make this as
a final comment. There are people in the Democratic Party
who are progressive like you. And I think about your
Congressman Jake Auchincloss, who is I think the hope of
the Democratic Party multi who's a progressive like you, okay,
who was bitterly criticized for comments that he made about
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six months ago about his daughters playing against guys in
high school or whatever. And the progressives that have taken
over the Democratic Party, they are they are doctrinaire progressives.
You have to agree with them on everything or you
are exiled from the community. We've been trying to get
Chaclaus to come on, because he talked the other day
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in a very practical basis about the drift of the
Democratic Party and that he's tired of going into CVS
and Walgren and having to wait for toothpaste to be unlocked.
And the Democratic.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Party they have taken they have stolen the Democratic Party,
AOC and Elon Omer they had taken over the Democratic Party,
and it's up to people like you and Jeff Robbins
to maintain the Democratic Party, just as when there are
insane Republicans who try to take over the Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Now, beware of extremism on either either side.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's that's that's those are the people I most worry about,
extreme and the right, extreme in the left, and those
are the people that dislike me the most. Laurie, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Much, great, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Please continue to call this program, tell you friends about
this program, and and call anytime. Okay, thank you. Got
here comes the Noon at the News. At the bottom
of the hour. I went very long with Laurie. I apologize,
but she asked great questions, and I'm going to get
everyone in. I promise, I promise. If you're in the line,
I will get you in. I have one line open
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at six one seven.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's night Side with Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Let's get back to the calls. People waiting a long time. Here,
got to go to Joe and Belmont. Joe next on nights.
Speaker 11 (24:52):
I go ahead, Dan, after I asked you a question,
I would like both of us to elaborate on your answer,
and I stress both of us. You said that around
ten fifty PM that the colleges were brainwashing the students
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and they're also brainwashing the public. But I'll take it
a little further, and this is my question, who in
the Democratic Party is the powers that be that is
given the fake news to the three networks about anti
semitism in Israel. And also I have a source for
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my next comments, the United Nations and Hamas I've given
fake news about the foods shortages.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah again, you know, you've asked a question. I don't
know the answer to that. I will just say very
quickly that I think that the universities for a long
time have not given their students a petridish of ideas
to debate and challenge. And they basically the professors, I think,
particularly in the you know, the liberal arts, you know,
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history and politics and sociology, there has been sort of
the accepted view. Uh. And as a consequence, the students
didn't get, you know, a balanced presentation so that their
ideas could be challenged.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And I think that as a result, there are a
lot of people who kind of left universities, and some
out of the sciences, and the mathematicians tended towards business
like and the folks that came out of the liberal
arts colleges ended up in places like the arts and
the media, and uh, and you see it. But I
think that's finally breaking down. And I think it's about time, Dan, I.
Speaker 11 (26:49):
Can give you a source, because I know you like sources.
My sources the Christian Broadcasting Network News.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I'm not familiar with the GROP. I'm really not, okay,
And I don't know what they based their their their their.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Beliefs on Christian values.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I understand that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're
accurate about what you're talking about. If that's what they believe,
that's fine. And if you watch them and that's what
you believe, I would say try to you know, try
to balance and check on what you believe. That's all Joe.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
You know, I'd rather believe them than believe the three networks.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Fair enough, that's your choice and your choice. And also
the country is still a free country. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
And also I don't have a source on this like
I did the Christian Broadcast Okay, yes, Uh, what was
I going to say? Oh yeah, I don't know if
the powers that be. I don't have a source on this,
but I don't know if it's Obama or George Sorows.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, you've got you've got You've got a lot of
sources there, so you keep working on them. Thanks, Joe,
appreciate you call. Let me go next to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill,
you've got to be quick for me. I know you've
waited a long time, but.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
So having a bunch of wait I wait longer for you. Dan,
he made a lot of sense tonight, and you always do. Hey,
if if England and UK and France want to uh
you know, uh do it to what they say they're
going to do, and for for Hamas, then I think
it's time that Trump tells those people, Hey, you do
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that we're pulling out of NATO, all right?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And uh, Bill that that's unrealistic. I mean you know
that if we pull out a NATO, Uh, then you're
going to have Russia say hey, maybe we can take Poland.
I mean it's it's it's more complicated than that.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
Well that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what. That's
what I think you should do. But man, these who
is like, Okay, the pope is the head of the
Catholic Church. So when Catholics do the Catholics do, uh,
you know, terrible things. The Pope comes out and condemns it.
When the when these moss okay do what they did
on October seventh, who should come out and condemned that.
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I mean, as far as the Muslim religion, who's the
head guy?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, well, I don't know that the Muslim religion has
a head guy. I mean there was a lot of
activity that the Catholic Church frowned upon in Northern Ireland,
you know, with the IRA and there were a lot
of innocent people who were killed there. I don't think
you can expect the Pope or whoever might be the
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head of Sunni Muslims or Shia Muslims to make comments.
I think that I certainly believe and I can't quote
what the Pope at the time, Pope Francis would have
said about October seventh, but I would hope that every
political leader in the world would have spoken out strongly
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against that. But I don't have all the quotes in
front of me bill to support my.
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Hop But listen, Dan, since since October seventh, they can
tell you a lot of people around here they don't
understand exactly what's going on. But every one of them
that I talked to, okay, says, you know, I used
to believe that there was a possibility that they could
have a two state solution. Nobody says that anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think you're right. I think that has set the
two state solution back. And there was a period of
time when Israel has actually said that they would go
for two state solution. But they can't go for two
state solution in view of who's representing the Palestinians. I mean,
the Palestinians are basically been captured by Hamas. I mean
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they did elect Hamas in two thousand and six, but
there's been no election ever since. And the Palestinian people
made a tremendous mistaken in an election supporting Hamas.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
And one final thing, boy, is the United Nations. They're
just useless.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They've been useless for a long time. But when they
have you know, when you look at like the people
the countries that were represented on the human rights coalitions
and the human rights committees, it's a joke. There's a
there's a cartoon that you could find that Jeff McNelly
once did a brilliant columnist and he had like the
United Nations, and he had some guy wearing a Yankee hat,
(31:21):
and I mean the representing the Bronx. I mean, the
United Nations has been a necessary evil. I mean it
would have been great if we could have pulled out
of it at some point. I think, you know, it
would free up some parking spaces where the diplomats wouldn't
be able to park their cars in New York City.
All right, Bill, I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
(31:42):
I appreciate your patience. I owe you more time next time.
We'll take a quick break. Coming right back on nights out.
If you're on the line, I'm going to get to you.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I promise you're on night Side with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Let's keep it rolling, gonna I got four folks that'd
like to get in here if I can, let me
get to Ron new first Run. Appreciate your calling in
your take on all of this.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Run.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
My concern is with the New York Times reporting recently.
I had the chance to watch all of the Nuremberg
trials and the eloquent opening statement that Robert H. Jacksone
three hours long. Actually, But the question I have the
(32:27):
Nuremberg trials in Tokyo trials, in addition, were very landmark
landmarks and implementing international justice, but a recent and he
had to he really had a challenge before him in
terms of coordinating four nations with different justice systems and
(32:50):
different levels of punishment. The question I have is this
this concern about journalistic fraud. And as I started to
look at US Code eighteen imparting and conveying false information
as a journalistic crime at Cornell Law School a lecture given,
(33:15):
I wonder is that this was in nineteen forty five.
Robert Jackson had quite a task to coordinate four countries
because the world was watching. And here it is now
twenty twenty five, and the world was watching even to
a greater extent because of our rapidity of communication. So
(33:40):
I wonder, when do we hold the New York Times,
when do we hold CNN accountable for for conveying false information?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I think we have a first Amendment. A lot
of those countries that Jackson had to reconcile probably didn't
have a first Amendment, and that was part of his problem.
We have a very we have a we have a
first amendment that individuals can sue if someone in the
New York Times writes a story that they know is
(34:12):
untrue about someone and they they libel them, they defame them.
They they they have course a civil course. There is
no criminal course that I'm aware of, uh, in this country.
So that's you know, and I don't want to see
(34:33):
one because I think that that that is a for me,
is a slippery slope. Ron. I understand your frustration. I
truly do, but I think it's a slippery slope and
a slope that I don't want to strut down.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
Yeah, there there is a reason, and none of let
you go. But there's there's a reason why as I deploy.
When I deployed, turn, they prohibited us from from conversion
with the journalists we have. Actually there is an a
signed public information officer.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
No, I do I understand that, And that's not a
limitation on the journalist. That's the limitation on you, as
a member of the military.
Speaker 12 (35:12):
Well, that's because it would put us in harm's way
if they gave the wrong spin.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, No, absolutely, absolutely, Ron, I got to keep rolling here.
I got at least three more. Thanks man. We'll talk
and we should talk privately in this or as well,
so I better understand it. Okay, thanks, let me go
to Sandy and West Roxbury. Sandy, you're next on nightside.
I want to get you in here.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
Go ahead, Sandy, thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:33):
I just want to say that the contri that are
considering backing on this two safe solutions, they're only in
biting off their own nose despite their face, because some
ass is going to take this as as acceptance. They're
going to go in there. First it's going to be
small cells, and it's going to be terror activity, and
then eventually they're going to take over those countries. Those
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countries think they hold the upper hand, but you can't
hold them enough hand with a terrorist because you can't
recognize them. You know that they're sneaky, they fly, they
don't profess what they believe, They hide behind anything and
people ideas, you know, and then Lily exactly of course,
(36:15):
and then it's too late and those countries are going
to find out what they've left themselves into.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, hopefully the back of that that group of countries
again headed by Iran, but you know, between Hamas and
Hesbal lah Asad in Syria as well as Iran itself,
that a real body blow has been dealt to Iran,
and hopefully we'll have ramifications for their ability to support
(36:43):
these groups as well.
Speaker 13 (36:44):
So we all have to see that. I mean, people
are just not thinking straight at all, and so much
of what they're doing I think is just against Trump.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well I think they're not thinking straight. I'm not sure
it's against Trump because they think the anti Semitism is
virulent and it's greater in our society than we realize.
And I'm glad that the Trump administration has identified it, of.
Speaker 13 (37:10):
Course, and that's why they're against Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, that could be candy. I got to get one
more in it least. Okay, thanks so much. I appreciate
your calling. Call more often in earlier Okay, thanks Leon
in Medford. Leon, your next on nightsig Right had.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Leon, mister Ray, it's a pleasure to speak with you.
I'm a Black American and i am poor Israel. I
want to say something that people don't realize, esparish to
many black Americans. The Jews were fourfronted in the civil
rights movement. They were a major part of it. Also,
(37:45):
something people don't understand in all minorities communities, blacks are
not black. Black people Ethiopians, our Jews, Yes, organizing Jews.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Any of them are Israeli citizens as well.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, yes, And many of the Arabs did not want
them to come to Israel. So, I mean, it's incredible
because they don't tell people. They don't realize that that
Black Americans support Israel, that a lot of Black Americans
are not against Israel, and that, like I said, a
lot of Israeli, the Sophardic. They're all types of Jews,
(38:26):
but they're trying to portray this as they're done through apartheid,
and they're two different issues.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah. I also, if I could for you, I'm gonna
I'm just gonna mention three names. James Cheney, Andrew Goodman,
and Michael Schwarner. Those are the three civil rights leaders
who were killed in Mississippi nineteen sixty four. They were
all American Jews.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I believe that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Actually Jenny was a black Mississippian. I'm sorry, I think
Schwarna and Goodman were Jewish. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
I hate to do this to you, Leon, I don't
think you ever called my show before. I gotta get
you to become a more regular caller. I should have
mentioned the commitment that Jewish Americans made to the black
civil rights to the civil rights movement in this country
(39:11):
in the early nineteen sixties when it was not necessarily safe.
I gotta run, though, my friend, we will talk again.
Thank you very much. The callers in the line, you
just called a little late. We'll get you tomorrow night,
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(39:33):
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It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's niche video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Kyle. We are going to continue our
conversation about what's going on in the Middle East. My
instinct is that we are coming to a conclusion here.
I'm not sure it's a conclusion that everyone will like,
but I don't know that Israel has any other choice
(00:28):
at this point. I think all of you know how
I feel. But at the same time, I thought that
Dawn's call from Florida was a great call, and if
you share his viewpoint, I'd like to converse with us.
That's what this show is all about. I try to
take a position clearly when I feel strongly about something,
(00:52):
and I do feel strongly about the survival of the
state of Israel. It represents, I think, what we as
the West, and I'll put it in those terms. Represents
It does represent democracy, It represents freedom, It represents literature,
it represents art, it represents capitalism. It is a country
(01:17):
that has literally flowered in the desert. For those of
you who don't know, it was created by the United
Nations in nineteen forty eight. In May of nineteen forty eight,
in the wake of World War II in the horrors
that were committed against Jewish people in Eastern Europe and
(01:38):
Nazi Germany before that, the programs in Russia, as well
as anti Semitism which was virulent in this country. There
is still anti semitism in this country, so that's why
I have I think anti Semitism exists still on the
extreme right, but a lot of it has are now
(01:58):
metastasized to the extreme left. So I thought that the
question the DeBie aster is a good one. It seems
to me that there is a clear example here that
if Halas had not attacked in such a brutal, vicious,
non military way. They didn't attack a military outpost.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
They didn't. They attacked old old men and old women
and infant children and parents. That was who they were attacking.
So as I say, you can agree, you can disagree.
That's what this show is all about. It is not
about my point of view. It's about all of our
points of view, and that has been what this show
(02:41):
has been about from day one. I have an obligation
to stake out my beliefs. I try to be as
honest as I can with you about my beliefs, and
we're just going to keep rolling here, and we're going
to talk about what's going on in the Middle East.
I'm appalled that France and England and Canada, for example,
are actually suggesting that they would somehow recognize the Palestinian state,
(03:04):
where under what circumstances, As Jeff Robins said, who would
govern that state?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Hamas. Iran, of course, has been the puppeteer for this
for decades. Iran now has been put a little bit
in this place by the bombing that the Trump administration
did of Iran's nuclear sites. Now Iran is finally admitting
(03:31):
that those sites were badly damaged, and so we need
to maintain the initiative here and finish the play. In
my opinion, there was always going to be anti Semitism.
We cannot eradicate anti semitism. We also cannot tolerate anti
semitism anywhere in the world. Next up, I'm going to
(03:52):
go to Joe and Weston. Joe, you first, is our
appreciate you calling in, Go right.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Ahead, Hello, Dan and Jeff.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Unfortunately, Jeff, Jeff is a very active, practicing attorney, So
I let him. I let him leave leave God, So
you just got me. Joe.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'm sorry Okay, well, Dad, that's fine because I was
just going to say that your explanation on how to
understand Israel's opposition in the media was very much on
target and enlightening, and I really appreciated it. I think
it is important to understand the Israel's opposition mentality. You
just explained your mentality of why you support Israel, and
(04:30):
I think it was beautiful to hear. But the mendacity
that's going on, and you just mentioned a couple of
these things in twofold is tremendous, and I just wonder,
in addition to your thoughts about the media, if you
could comment on what your thoughts are on these two examples.
A guy like Don just called and I don't know
(04:52):
if he said that Israel was committing genocide use that
word or not, but he's concerned about sixty thousand gozsins.
Let's say that's a corre number. Jeff doesn't know, I
don't know, twenty thousand. Let's say Israel's numbers. Twenty thousand
of them are militants. So out of two point one
million Gozzens, forty thousand civilians at the most, even with
(05:14):
God with Hamas's claim have been killed, two point one
million Gozzins. Israel's army has wiped out most of you know,
taken most of Gaza Strip, has wiped out has Belaff,
has taken on Iran and controlled Iran's airspace. How could
Israel's military, How could Don or people like him be
(05:34):
thinking about Israel committing genocide when there are two point
one million people and maybe forty thousand innocents have been killed.
What do you think the mentality is there?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Dan Well, I respect his position, and I'm sure you
respect this position as well. He may be someone who,
you know, just you cannot tolerate the loss of people
who are not direct combatants. But I would just suggest
(06:09):
to Dawn and to anyone who feels that way. Hamas
has built their underground tunnels, under schools, under hospitals. They
did that intentionally. They're using hamas As, using Gosins and
Palestinians as shields, and they, you know, they are at
(06:31):
fault for many of those twenty thousand deaths. I mean,
they could not have expected Israel not to have responded
to the attack of October seventh, anymore than I think
Japan could have assumed that we would not have responded
to Pearl Harbor, and it would be wonderful. It would
(06:53):
be wonderful in a perfect world if somehow net Yahoo
would have given a very strong speed on October tenth
and told Tomas never to do that again. Although Hamas
was saying that already, they were saying, we will have
many October sevenths. What did What do people expect yahu Is,
(07:14):
the leader of his nation to do throw rose petals
at Hamas and and caution them. I just think it's
they're out of touch with the reality, in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So if you're really you're just saying that these folks
and I don't want to talk about don no. These
folks just don't really grasp the reality that there's good
and evil in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That may be part of it. And they also look
at the United States and the West generally and capitalism,
all of which are embodied by Israel. Israel is considered
by many a Western democracy, even though it's in the
Middle East. It's a capitalistic society. It is a society
which has historically been an ally of the United States,
(08:05):
and a lot of people see the United States as
a big, powerful force and not a force for good.
But a force for what but they perceive as evil?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, do you need to go to the next cor
could I ask you another topic?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So this week, you know, within the last week and
you just mentioned that France, England and Canada have said
they're going to possibly recognize the Palestine state. And at
the same time, in France this week, a woman, a
woman's post on social media were found to be so evil,
so antisemitic, so glorifying Hitler that they just kicked her
(08:45):
out of the country and sent her to cut her
you've heard that story.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I had not heard that story.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, oh, yeah, what this woman who heard she was
part of this special new Gaza refugee program and they
discovered that she was so was so evil they just
kicked her out of the country within days of finding
it out. And this is the same country France is
that of France, the same country where their leader is
(09:11):
going to recognize the Palestinian state. That, as you said,
who is to be led by hamas two point one
million people next to Israel who have these same views. Now,
I have a friend who fought in Gaza, and he
says that every home he went into had amas flags,
(09:31):
had anti Semitic books had mine comps that it's not
just Hamas, it's the whole population. So how do we
deal with these world leaders who, somehow, because of their
own politics, are going to throw Israel literally under the
bus of the rape and torture and murder of the
(09:52):
Hamas these people, when they won't even have one person
in their country.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, well, of course, as somebody who's believe in the
First Amendment, France doesn't have a First Amendment, I get that,
But I would think that in France, the better way
to deal with this individual, as opposed to exiling her
to cut her, would have been to have found some
smart French people, intellectuals, if you will, who would write
(10:21):
articles and destroy her arguments, which is what I think
we're supposed to do in a civil society. But again,
I have no idea you know what McCrone is thinking
on either of those points. But certainly I enjoy and
I love the concept of irony, and it's pretty ironic
that they couldn't tolerate the presence of this one woman
(10:43):
who obviously had a view of the world which is
pretty incompatible with the West, and yet they now want
to impose on the state of Israel. This small country
about the size of New Jersey, a Palestinian state within
really what I view as the borders of Israel.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, just incredible. Thanks Dan, thanks for your support of Israel.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, Joe. First of all, I don't know if you've
ever called my show before, but I want you to
become a regular caller.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Oh I will, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Have you called before?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
No, this is first couple of times. Yeah, well we'll.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Call much more often. Okay, Uh, you don't understand. I
shouldn't say it that way. I said. What I would
say to you is that you have influenced a lot
of people with your with your comments and good action.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Thank you, Minch Now you do every night. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm trying. Thanks Bell. Okay, got to take a break.
We're going to get everybody, and the only line that's
open right now is six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. If you can get through, feel free six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. I will get
to everyone, Dave and Bill and Joe and Laurie. I
promise I'll give you all an opportunity to say what
(11:58):
you want to say, whatever your point of view, but
I would love you to support Israel and the continued
existence of Israel and Israel cannot continue to exist in
a set of circumstances to which they were subjected. On
October seventh, back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
This, It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Let's keep rolling. Here, we're going to go next to
where we're going to go next. They're going to go
to Laurie and Newton. Lori, you were next on Nightsacer.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Right ahead, Hi, you can hear me. Okay, here you fine, Laurie,
thank you very much for hey, and thank you for
taking my call. I really want to thank you so
much for your eloquent defense of Israel. Several of my
questions have been touched on, but I wanted to ask
a couple of things. One to ask first that you
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stressed your listeners that this is not just a fight
for Jews in Israel, but that this really is a
fight for Westerners and for democracy, and you did touch
on that. But the hip hypocrisy of the community at large,
and I dare say the progressive world of which I've always,
you know, considered myself a part, but now feel like
(13:11):
I've sort of lost my home and the progressive world,
not despite the fact that I still carry my progressive values.
But I don't fit as a Zionist, as someone who's
a proud Jew and a proud supporter of Israel, you know,
I have I quote unquote, am not welcome. The Black
(13:31):
Lives Matter movement was largely you know, I won't say dominated,
but it was covered with with the and co opted
by the Palestinian movement, and Jews were summarily drummed out
of marches and so on. The the Pussy Marches, if
(13:54):
you remember, the Woman's March, had a huge codra of
people speaking out against Zionists and how Zionists won't welcome there,
and so it's a it's a dramatic change. But the
hypocrisy of the community at large in how it's looking
at Israel, UH is just beyond appalling to me. And
(14:14):
I wondered if you would talk a little bit about that.
Why is it that we can talk about how we
will never give into terrorism, well except if we're talking
about Israel. Uh, you know, what is what is the
world uh talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
When well, if you go with power that, if you
go back to Occupy Wall Street, that's when I first
picked up you know, I grew up realizing that anti
Semitism was a cancer of the far right. You know, yeah,
George Lincoln Rockwell and the Nazis who wanted to march
(14:51):
in Skokie, Illinois, and and you know, we all understood
they had the right to march beyond with the First Amendment.
And which is difficult concer up, but can't occupy Wall Street.
And I remember to a school teacher from Los Angeles
(15:12):
who was virulent because a lot of the Occupy Wall
Strike Wall Street stuff, there was a strong hint of
anti Semitism there, Rob, do you have that teacher from
Los Angeles who had played before? Okay, okay, this is
a woman who What struck me about this statement was
not the virulent anti semitism, but the fact that this
(15:36):
woman felt strong, felt capable, or had sufficient license to
identify herself by name and her employment with this statement.
I want you to react to this. You perhaps have
never heard this before. You're not going to like it.
Payman affiliation Patrician McCallister.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I'm here representing myself, but I who work for the
Los Angeles Unified School District, and I think that, uh,
the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks in
our federal reserve, which is not run by the federal government.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
They need to be run out of this country.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's that's a school teacher in Los Angeles during Occupy
Wall Street.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Right, and and today that's that's long before any of
what's happening now.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh absolutely, But what I'm saying is that that was
sort of the first time that I'm seeing it and
hearing it and sensing it on the American left. Okay, today,
I'll take you to today. This is This is Senator
Elizabeth Warren in New York endorsing Johann Mandami. Okay, cut
(16:50):
one one seven, rob one one seven. Is this what
the party.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Should look like?
Speaker 8 (16:57):
Yes, you've been The Democratic Party needs to stand up
and be clear. We are the party that fights for
affordability for working families. That means childcare, that means housing,
it means healthcare, It means making this country work better
for the working people who make this country work.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
I get a little excited about this.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So you know, she's going to inject herself into a
New York mayoral race on behalf of a guy that
has made virulently anti semitic statements within the last couple
of years.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Well, it's also complicated by the fact that there is
so much offense being taken at the suggestion that the
kinds of double standards at play for Jews when when
they're talking about Israel is acceptable, and that it's a
sensive to be to suggest that there's anti senmatism when
(18:01):
you're simply denying that Israel has a right to exist
or delegitimizing Israel. The language has become so co optive,
that co opted that honestly, almost overt anti Semitism is kosher. Again,
So for any of our mainstream politicians to cozy up
to someone who is denying Israel and Jews and is
(18:24):
trafficking in the kinds of tropes that we're talking about
sets us all up. It's normalizing all of this kind
of delegitimization and the double standard that is what we're
doing battle against now, and we can't fight the fight
very easily when there's so much fragility on the other side.
The suggestion, how dare you say that I am being
(18:45):
antisemitic just because dot dot dot, just because I don't know,
I don't think the Jews have a right to a
homeland which is not the way they communicate it, but
it is the language that is the parlance of the
of the left.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now yond use the word that a lot of people
don't understand, and that you use the word trope. And
I would say that a lot of people in my audience,
and a lot of young people don't understand that these tropes,
you know, the Jews of the bankers and all of
that that this woman engaged in who I just played
for you. There are there are people who are impressionable
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who they say, hm, well, you know, maybe that woman
is right, and you know, no, she's not right. She's engaling.
She's engaging in century old anti Semitic tropes which laid
the foundation for programs and laid the foundation for Hitler
in Germany, and laid the foundation for Hamas, and laid
(19:45):
the foundation for the theologians who are running Iran. And
if we don't understand that, and don't you realize that,
then we're going to see another holocaust of some sort.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Well, so this gets to where my question was, which
is how do we fight a battle in a sense,
how do we how do we defend ourselves in an
environment where the people who are perpetrating, uh, the anti
Semitism that we're experiencing now, are purported to be doing
this on the out of out of kindness and generosity
(20:20):
and good faith in the public good, and you know,
all the most virtuous of of theoretically intent, even though
obviously it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think that we that if we don't learn from history,
we're doomed to repeat it. And the people who are
running Hamas are the descendants of the Grand Mufti, who,
along with Hitler in World War Two, was seen more
reviewing Nazi troops. So you know, this is this is
it's it's it's not just something that occurred today. And
(20:54):
I try to talk about it on nights side as
much as I can, but there are some nights tonight
people are responding to it, which for which I'm deeply gratified. Okay,
I have been told at different times during my career,
don't talk about this issue and don't talk about that issue.
And I'm talking about even when I started here on
(21:15):
talk radio, I was a reporter. For a long time,
no one knew what my part.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I remember you, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Didn't want you to know what my politics are. Now
I feel i'm obligated to tell you how I feel
about issues, and I feel deeply about Israel. My father
fought was in World War Two. He was not in Europe,
he was in China, Bourban, India, but he impressed upon
me and my family. Never again, I'm not Jewish, but
(21:44):
when friends of mine come up to me. I have
friends of mine who are Catholic who come up to
me and say, Dan, you're really pretty pro Israel Jewish,
you know. And I look at him and I say,
very simply, this is my line. I said, no, I'm
not Jewish, but the guy that founded my religion was
Jewish Sowre.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And his parents.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Well, I don't want to hold you up, but if
I could just say one more thing, and then I'm
going to get off the air and let somebody else speak,
and just say that, you know, with everything that you're saying,
it's really reinforcing this notion that even those of us
who have always hoped for a two state solution understand
that the Masque cannot be proven to have done the
right thing on October seventh.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Cannot be rewarded work and rewarded.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
The powers trying to reward them with success. All I
can say, is God help us all? And how do
we get the world to understand how completely dangerous a
precedent is being said?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I can tell you this, and I'll make this as
a final comment. There are people in the Democratic Party
who are progressive like you. And I think about your
Congressman Jake Auchincloss, who is I think the hope of
the Democratic Party multi who's a progressive like you, okay,
who was bitterly criticized for comments that he made about
(23:04):
six months ago about his daughters playing against guys in
high school or whatever. And the progressives that have taken
over the Democratic Party, they are they are doctrinaire progressives.
You have to agree with them on everything or you
are exiled from the community. We've been trying to get
Chaclaus to come on, because he talked the other day
(23:26):
in a very practical basis about the drift of the
Democratic Party and that he's tired of going into CVS
and Walgren and having to wait for toothpaste to be unlocked.
And the Democratic.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Party they have taken they have stolen the Democratic Party,
AOC and Elon Omer they had taken over the Democratic Party,
and it's up to people like you and Jeff Robbins
to maintain the Democratic Party, just as when there are
insane Republicans who try to take over the Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Now, beware of extremism on either either side.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's that's that's those are the people I most worry about,
extreme and the right, extreme in the left, and those
are the people that dislike me the most. Laurie, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Much, great, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Please continue to call this program, tell you friends about
this program, and and call anytime. Okay, thank you. Got
here comes the Noon at the News. At the bottom
of the hour. I went very long with Laurie. I apologize,
but she asked great questions, and I'm going to get
everyone in. I promise, I promise. If you're in the line,
I will get you in. I have one line open
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at six one seven.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's night Side with Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Let's get back to the calls. People waiting a long time. Here,
got to go to Joe and Belmont. Joe next on nights.
Speaker 11 (24:52):
I go ahead, Dan, after I asked you a question,
I would like both of us to elaborate on your answer,
and I stress both of us. You said that around
ten fifty PM that the colleges were brainwashing the students
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and they're also brainwashing the public. But I'll take it
a little further, and this is my question, who in
the Democratic Party is the powers that be that is
given the fake news to the three networks about anti
semitism in Israel. And also I have a source for
(25:36):
my next comments, the United Nations and Hamas I've given
fake news about the foods shortages.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah again, you know, you've asked a question. I don't
know the answer to that. I will just say very
quickly that I think that the universities for a long
time have not given their students a petridish of ideas
to debate and challenge. And they basically the professors, I think,
particularly in the you know, the liberal arts, you know,
(26:09):
history and politics and sociology, there has been sort of
the accepted view. Uh. And as a consequence, the students
didn't get, you know, a balanced presentation so that their
ideas could be challenged.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And I think that as a result, there are a
lot of people who kind of left universities, and some
out of the sciences, and the mathematicians tended towards business
like and the folks that came out of the liberal
arts colleges ended up in places like the arts and
the media, and uh, and you see it. But I
think that's finally breaking down. And I think it's about time, Dan, I.
Speaker 11 (26:49):
Can give you a source, because I know you like sources.
My sources the Christian Broadcasting Network News.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I'm not familiar with the GROP. I'm really not, okay,
And I don't know what they based their their their their.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Beliefs on Christian values.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I understand that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're
accurate about what you're talking about. If that's what they believe,
that's fine. And if you watch them and that's what
you believe, I would say try to you know, try
to balance and check on what you believe. That's all Joe.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
You know, I'd rather believe them than believe the three networks.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Fair enough, that's your choice and your choice. And also
the country is still a free country. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (27:35):
And also I don't have a source on this like
I did the Christian Broadcast Okay, yes, Uh, what was
I going to say? Oh yeah, I don't know if
the powers that be. I don't have a source on this,
but I don't know if it's Obama or George Sorows.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, you've got you've got You've got a lot of
sources there, so you keep working on them. Thanks, Joe,
appreciate you call. Let me go next to Bill in Pennsylvania. Bill,
you've got to be quick for me. I know you've
waited a long time, but.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
So having a bunch of wait I wait longer for you. Dan,
he made a lot of sense tonight, and you always do. Hey,
if if England and UK and France want to uh
you know, uh do it to what they say they're
going to do, and for for Hamas, then I think
it's time that Trump tells those people, Hey, you do
(28:26):
that we're pulling out of NATO, all right?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And uh, Bill that that's unrealistic. I mean you know
that if we pull out a NATO, Uh, then you're
going to have Russia say hey, maybe we can take Poland.
I mean it's it's it's more complicated than that.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
Well that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what. That's
what I think you should do. But man, these who
is like, Okay, the pope is the head of the
Catholic Church. So when Catholics do the Catholics do, uh,
you know, terrible things. The Pope comes out and condemns it.
When the when these moss okay do what they did
on October seventh, who should come out and condemned that.
(29:07):
I mean, as far as the Muslim religion, who's the
head guy?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, well, I don't know that the Muslim religion has
a head guy. I mean there was a lot of
activity that the Catholic Church frowned upon in Northern Ireland,
you know, with the IRA and there were a lot
of innocent people who were killed there. I don't think
you can expect the Pope or whoever might be the
(29:31):
head of Sunni Muslims or Shia Muslims to make comments.
I think that I certainly believe and I can't quote
what the Pope at the time, Pope Francis would have
said about October seventh, but I would hope that every
political leader in the world would have spoken out strongly
(29:52):
against that. But I don't have all the quotes in
front of me bill to support my.
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Hop But listen, Dan, since since October seventh, they can
tell you a lot of people around here they don't
understand exactly what's going on. But every one of them
that I talked to, okay, says, you know, I used
to believe that there was a possibility that they could
have a two state solution. Nobody says that anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think you're right. I think that has set the
two state solution back. And there was a period of
time when Israel has actually said that they would go
for two state solution. But they can't go for two
state solution in view of who's representing the Palestinians. I mean,
the Palestinians are basically been captured by Hamas. I mean
(30:38):
they did elect Hamas in two thousand and six, but
there's been no election ever since. And the Palestinian people
made a tremendous mistaken in an election supporting Hamas.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
And one final thing, boy, is the United Nations. They're
just useless.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They've been useless for a long time. But when they
have you know, when you look at like the people
the countries that were represented on the human rights coalitions
and the human rights committees, it's a joke. There's a
there's a cartoon that you could find that Jeff McNelly
once did a brilliant columnist and he had like the
United Nations, and he had some guy wearing a Yankee hat,
(31:21):
and I mean the representing the Bronx. I mean, the
United Nations has been a necessary evil. I mean it
would have been great if we could have pulled out
of it at some point. I think, you know, it
would free up some parking spaces where the diplomats wouldn't
be able to park their cars in New York City.
All right, Bill, I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
(31:42):
I appreciate your patience. I owe you more time next time.
We'll take a quick break. Coming right back on nights out.
If you're on the line, I'm going to get to you.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I promise you're on night Side with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Let's keep it rolling, gonna I got four folks that'd
like to get in here if I can, let me
get to Ron new first Run. Appreciate your calling in
your take on all of this.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Run.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
My concern is with the New York Times reporting recently.
I had the chance to watch all of the Nuremberg
trials and the eloquent opening statement that Robert H. Jacksone
three hours long. Actually, But the question I have the
(32:27):
Nuremberg trials in Tokyo trials, in addition, were very landmark
landmarks and implementing international justice, but a recent and he
had to he really had a challenge before him in
terms of coordinating four nations with different justice systems and
(32:50):
different levels of punishment. The question I have is this
this concern about journalistic fraud. And as I started to
look at US Code eighteen imparting and conveying false information
as a journalistic crime at Cornell Law School a lecture given,
(33:15):
I wonder is that this was in nineteen forty five.
Robert Jackson had quite a task to coordinate four countries
because the world was watching. And here it is now
twenty twenty five, and the world was watching even to
a greater extent because of our rapidity of communication. So
(33:40):
I wonder, when do we hold the New York Times,
when do we hold CNN accountable for for conveying false information?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I think we have a first Amendment. A lot
of those countries that Jackson had to reconcile probably didn't
have a first Amendment, and that was part of his problem.
We have a very we have a we have a
first amendment that individuals can sue if someone in the
New York Times writes a story that they know is
(34:12):
untrue about someone and they they libel them, they defame them.
They they they have course a civil course. There is
no criminal course that I'm aware of, uh, in this country.
So that's you know, and I don't want to see
(34:33):
one because I think that that that is a for me,
is a slippery slope. Ron. I understand your frustration. I
truly do, but I think it's a slippery slope and
a slope that I don't want to strut down.
Speaker 12 (34:44):
Yeah, there there is a reason, and none of let
you go. But there's there's a reason why as I deploy.
When I deployed, turn, they prohibited us from from conversion
with the journalists we have. Actually there is an a
signed public information officer.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
No, I do I understand that, And that's not a
limitation on the journalist. That's the limitation on you, as
a member of the military.
Speaker 12 (35:12):
Well, that's because it would put us in harm's way
if they gave the wrong spin.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, No, absolutely, absolutely, Ron, I got to keep rolling here.
I got at least three more. Thanks man. We'll talk
and we should talk privately in this or as well,
so I better understand it. Okay, thanks, let me go
to Sandy and West Roxbury. Sandy, you're next on nightside.
I want to get you in here.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
Go ahead, Sandy, thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:33):
I just want to say that the contri that are
considering backing on this two safe solutions, they're only in
biting off their own nose despite their face, because some
ass is going to take this as as acceptance. They're
going to go in there. First it's going to be
small cells, and it's going to be terror activity, and
then eventually they're going to take over those countries. Those
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countries think they hold the upper hand, but you can't
hold them enough hand with a terrorist because you can't
recognize them. You know that they're sneaky, they fly, they
don't profess what they believe, They hide behind anything and
people ideas, you know, and then Lily exactly of course,
(36:15):
and then it's too late and those countries are going
to find out what they've left themselves into.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, hopefully the back of that that group of countries
again headed by Iran, but you know, between Hamas and
Hesbal lah Asad in Syria as well as Iran itself,
that a real body blow has been dealt to Iran,
and hopefully we'll have ramifications for their ability to support
(36:43):
these groups as well.
Speaker 13 (36:44):
So we all have to see that. I mean, people
are just not thinking straight at all, and so much
of what they're doing I think is just against Trump.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well I think they're not thinking straight. I'm not sure
it's against Trump because they think the anti Semitism is
virulent and it's greater in our society than we realize.
And I'm glad that the Trump administration has identified it, of.
Speaker 13 (37:10):
Course, and that's why they're against Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, that could be candy. I got to get one
more in it least. Okay, thanks so much. I appreciate
your calling. Call more often in earlier Okay, thanks Leon
in Medford. Leon, your next on nightsig Right had.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Leon, mister Ray, it's a pleasure to speak with you.
I'm a Black American and i am poor Israel. I
want to say something that people don't realize, esparish to
many black Americans. The Jews were fourfronted in the civil
rights movement. They were a major part of it. Also,
(37:45):
something people don't understand in all minorities communities, blacks are
not black. Black people Ethiopians, our Jews, Yes, organizing Jews.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Any of them are Israeli citizens as well.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, yes, And many of the Arabs did not want
them to come to Israel. So, I mean, it's incredible
because they don't tell people. They don't realize that that
Black Americans support Israel, that a lot of Black Americans
are not against Israel, and that, like I said, a
lot of Israeli, the Sophardic. They're all types of Jews,
(38:26):
but they're trying to portray this as they're done through apartheid,
and they're two different issues.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah. I also, if I could for you, I'm gonna
I'm just gonna mention three names. James Cheney, Andrew Goodman,
and Michael Schwarner. Those are the three civil rights leaders
who were killed in Mississippi nineteen sixty four. They were
all American Jews.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I believe that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Actually Jenny was a black Mississippian. I'm sorry, I think
Schwarna and Goodman were Jewish. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
I hate to do this to you, Leon, I don't
think you ever called my show before. I gotta get
you to become a more regular caller. I should have
mentioned the commitment that Jewish Americans made to the black
civil rights to the civil rights movement in this country
(39:11):
in the early nineteen sixties when it was not necessarily safe.
I gotta run, though, my friend, we will talk again.
Thank you very much. The callers in the line, you
just called a little late. We'll get you tomorrow night,
Rob Brooks, great job. Marina's back today. Great job Marina.
All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's
why Pal Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago
(39:33):
in February. That's where all your pets are who passed.
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