July 11, 2025 • 42 mins
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National park ranger and baseball historian Richard “Dixie” Tourangeau joined Morgan tonight to talk all-things baseball! From the teams to the fans, to the 2025 MLB All-Star Games!
National park ranger and baseball historian Richard “Dixie” Tourangeau joined Morgan tonight to talk all-things baseball! From the teams to the fans, to the 2025 MLB All-Star Games!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'll Boston News Radio, all thank you again for that
nice intro you give me. You always give me a
very nice intro. Dixie is here. We're talking baseball and Dixie.
We've got two callings on hold. One is from Baltimore,
Oriole Country and the other, as you well know, is
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from Detroit Tiger Country.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good glad to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, well, let's go to Maryland first and speak
to Ryan. Ryan. Good evening, you guys doing doing.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, good good. I had to look it up. I'll
tell you what I think. You mentioned the other player
way way behind and the way way behind on number
three for the June eleventh or July eleventh birthday is
I believe the second place one might be Hobby Lopez.
The first place one I believe was Bob Allison.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
That's correct, you are correct, And and I had to
look it up. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And but I am a I am a huge I'm
an old uh uh statistics guy, and I love the
old he was an old Washington senator oddly enough, and
then they moved to Minnesota after that. But and I am,
but I truly am a Baltimore Orial fan I'm a
I'm born I was born in Western Maryland and Baltimore
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is my h I grew up loving Brooks, Robinson and
Robinson and you name it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
How you know, yeah, powerful president.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, well listen, and I don't have a clue on
the other the other the other two years.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You don't need to answer that you've shown off by
answering one.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
All right, well, very good and run.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let me tell you this. Dixie doesn't even know. I'm
going to say this. If you ever come to Boston,
the Boston area, get in touch with me, let me know,
and Dixon, I will take you out to lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yuh.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Ironically, I have never been to Fenway Park, and I
think it is one of the true, the true.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Uh you know, travesty. The word is travesty. It is
it is travesty. But you but have you been to
Camden Yards?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Sure, a couple of times? Oh good? Oh, really good,
good good? Have you been a Memorial Stadium? I had.
I saw the last three games at Memorial Stadium. Really,
oh my last three. That's that's that's uh, that's pretty
that's one of the kind type stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Did they drive up in the limo with some of
their players and pull up home plate at the end
of the last game they played there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, they they did, but they they introduced like fifty players,
they had them all come out from from years and
years and years beforehand. But they did plate, Yes, they did.
I think they flew it over to the new place
by helicopter.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh okay, great, great point.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now I have a question two questions. Actually, did you
know that Bob Allison was Rookie of the Year in
nineteen fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I did not know that. But the reason that I
even know anything about the Minnesota excuse, yeah, the Minnesota Twins,
was that friends of mine I grew up with were
always coming up with this Minnesota Twins stuff, and I'm going,
why are they so associated? I mean before the web obviously,
years and years and years, why are they so fascinated
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with the Minnesota Twins, having not known until later that
you know, that's where they emerged from Washington to go
to and Minnesota was won of the World Series? Could
they have hung on? If they could have hung on
five more years in Washington, they would have been the
likes of you know, the World Series winners. So it
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was incredible that they moved to way when they moved away.
And but Bob Allison was one of the guys. Killer
Killer was another Killer Brew was another one of the
guys they used to talk about.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And yeah Tony, yeah, yep, yep yep.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And Camillo Pascual, the old pitcher who was a really
good player in his day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And well, my more relevant question to you is what
in the hell is the matter with the Orioles.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Uh they were I'll tell you, I'll tell you what
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They got.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
They don't have it. As Earl Weaver used to say,
the key to winning is pitching in defense, and the
first one of those is pitching. And their pitching, their
starting pitching has been hurt all year. They and then
they lost their their best pitcher who signed with Arizona.
They lost him and so and then Rodriguez uh is
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the guy who remained who won fifteen games I think
last year, and he's been hurt all year. They just
haven't had any starting pitching. But but they are still
holding on and I'm amazed that they're doing as well
as they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Actually, do you know the name of the baseball player
who failed an audition with the Washington Senators and went
into politics.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Oh boy, failed an audition with the Washington Senators.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
YEP, I do not. I think he was hoping to
be given a second basement position some guy named Castro,
Fidel Castro.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Oh you know what now you messed.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I heard a long time ago I heard a story
like that. I remember he played in the minor leagues,
in the in the in the in the America, the
United States, I believe, didn't he Yeah he did, Yeah,
he was the quick a quick twenty second story about
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the DC stadium was rf K, I guess it was.
And who was the the baseball the four starters for
the Braves, the left handed the guy that won twenty
games for the Braves. They they were he they were maddocks,
those guys that that era. Yeah, Glavin, Glab Glavin. Okay,
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So Glavin walked into the stadium one day and Tim
Kirchen was there with him, and all of a sudden,
Kirchen said, uh, oh, Glavin said.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What is that that that painted painted seat way way
way way out there and Gladd and uh Kerchin said,
well that's where Frank Howard hit a home run, and uh,
Glavin goes, well, was the was it configured the same way?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They couldn't have been configured? That the stadium wasn't configured
the same way? Couldn't have been And he said, no
it was and and Hondo Hondo Howard had hit one
of his monsters shots up to the uh probably way
way further than anybody could imagine. Sou but that that was, Uh,
that's the old. Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's one of my favorite stories about uh, you know
people that who would know that Glavin who could not
conceive of a ball hitting that far?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, well, he was a picture and he hates to
think that some pitcher gave up that type of a
home run.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You're right here, right, you're right, you're right, But that was.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I have seen two games at Fenway this year and
one was against Baltimore and Baltimore won. Well, thank goodness,
than Baltimore won that series. Yes, that's what's that's what
started their little winning streak of about six out of
seven games. My favorite player is Adley Rutchman, and I
wish he was playing more. Oh, he's hurt and it's
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a shame. He Adley is a fantastic, uh, a fantastic
baseball player and did you know he wants kicked for
the University of Oregon. Uh we didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, he was a kicker on the University of Oregon
for a little while least anyways. But but Adley is
a fantastic ballplayer in and H Baltimore's is hurting without
a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I mean, they go through catchers like like you know,
we're like like nobody's business. And so it's they were
on like number four or five catcher already this year.
So it's it's it's pitching in defense, and their defense
is good, but the pitching starting pitching is not. And
that's that's why we're hurting.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, Ron, I gotta let you go because it's
quite past the hour and that's when I take a break.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But thanks you for no I appreciate you guys talking,
and I appreciate all the information and having take the
rest of your.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Day by time and chefter here on night Side eleven
fifteen seventy four degrees.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All right, are you up on your Detroit Tigers info, Dixie?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Pretty much?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Then let's take our next call here on Nightside from
Matt in Michigan. Welcome Matt.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Good evening.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I just wanted to get this out of the way.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
First, Trek School Will lost the game today for the
first time since the first part of April. So I
think he's entitled to that. You know, it's four or
five success almost three and a half months. Fabulous, fabulous
pitcher should be starting the All Star Game on Tuesday.
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I haven't heard if he is, but.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Should be.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I should have been last year.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, help he well. Schemes also lost today.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Oh well, those things happen. See they always say things
happen in threes skates. That happened too. But you know,
we're up to six players off the team. Six players
around the All Star team. Not bad for a team
that only has one player.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You're gonna drive that statement into the ground. Somebody said
that last February of March they only have one player
in Detroit and they'll be blah blah blah, lucky to
be a fifty fifty team. And look at where they
are now.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I have the best record in all the thirty cities. Yeah,
there you go. But you know, what are you what
are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think I have an answer to your one of
your questions that nineteen sixty seven by the nineteen fifty game, uncertainly,
you know, I wasn't even born.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yet, but.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
You said that there's a thing that they have in common. Yes, well,
the sixty seven one. I loved it because you know,
at that time you had very little exposure to National baseball.
You know, the only time I've ever seen the National
League teams generally were the All Star Game in the
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World Series, and they had some of my favorite pitchers
in the National League. And I remember that game. It
was in Anaheim. It went fifteen innings, and you know,
Tom Seaver pitched, they had they had some great, great
pitchers in the National League, Marichelle, Bob Gibson. But my guess,
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not knowing anything about the fifty, the only the only
things that I remember about that game where the National
League in fifteen innings, didn't walk at all and the
game went extra innings, and that'd be I guess that
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the nineteen fifty and nineteen sixty seven games were maybe
two of the first games that went extra innings.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well that's that. That's sort of right, but not completely
so I can't give you an excellent.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, he's right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Well they did both go extra innings.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But there's more to it than that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But there's but there is more to it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, And as I remember the sixty seven game, Tony
c was playing and he robbed somebody of a home
run to keep the game going. Am I accurate with
that memory, Dixie?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That I do not know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, I vaguely remember that.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
What else have you got, Well, I mean as far
as that question or another.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Question, any other questions.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Well, I've got a trivia question. I'll turn the tables.
What was the oddity of the famous ball game?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I'll address this to both of you.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
There was an oddity in the walk off home run
of the nineteen sixty World Series.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No one struck out.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, that's correct. No one struck out on three teams
in eighteen innings.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And a lot of guys struck out in the first
six games. So it was very very strange.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
And you know the other strange thing about that series
was the Yankees, of course, won three games in Pittsburgh,
and well the games at Pittsburgh won were by one
or two runs. And the Yankees the games that they won,
they absolutely clabored them. You know, twelve nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I forget. Yes, yes, they have the other I think
they won the other two games. They think they won
the other two games by at least nine or ten runs. Yeah,
and they lost the series, Yes, they did, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, you're dislike the Yankees. Is showing, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Let me ask you this question. Do you believe that
Bill Mazerowski is worthy of being in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes? And I think he should have won the Most
Valuable Player for that series? Also, even though Bobby Richardson
won it and is the only person in World Series
history to win the Most Valuable Player on from a
losing team. But Masarowski won another game with another home run,
and he should have won or at least tied. They
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should have maybe equals, they should have shared it, maybe,
but Richardson should not have won it on his own.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Bobby Richardson was the Okay, I have a players, that's right,
and he.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Was great, no question about it. But Mansarowski won two
games and the series with home runs.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Let me ask you something else. Are you are you
a proponent of the war the importance of the war category?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, okay, I will look at it. I will read it,
but I'm not a proponent.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Okay, Now a step in the direction of when I
asked you about Masarowski, because I don't think that he is.
He was a mediocre hitter at best.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
It took him like twenty five years, you know, to
get in, and he got in through the veterans committing.
My feeling has always been, if you're good enough to
make the Hall of Fame, you should make it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
They shouldn't have to lobby you for it, you know,
for twenty five years and say, okay, well you take
my guy, and I'll take your guy, and you know,
I'll vote for your man, and you vote for my man.
And finally, after twenty five years they've been dumb. They
put him in. And do you because the war, the
fellow that I'm going to mention, is just so great
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and it's out of.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Out of this world as far.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
As the not being in the Hall of Fame, And
that's lou Whittaker. If you believe in the war evaluation,
his is like in the high seventies, I believe, and
that's higher than many second basemen that are in the
Hall of Fame. Do you have any feelings about Whittaker
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being in there.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Well, I think that he certainly if he went in,
I would certainly approve of it. But me add this,
for thirty years, the writers told me that Nellie Fox
didn't deserve to be in the Haffee was the best
second basement in the National League for more than twelve years.
Fox was the best second base in the American League
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for more than twelve years. They both deserve to be
in the Hall of Fame within the time period that
they should have been voted in. I cannot help it
if the writers are morons.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Feel now Whittaker, Whittaker played nineteen years in the same
city has for a second basement. You know, I'm not
comparing him to a power hitting outfielder, but for second basemen.
You know, played nineteen years the most double plays of
any you know, teaming in with Trammell.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Alan Tramill had something to do with that double play record.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
He had, right, And you know the man had a
bullet for an arm. I remember Charlie Geeringer once said
when they asked him who was the better second basement,
and he was honest, he said, well.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I was a hitter.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I certainly was which he was, but he said as
a fielder, he said, Whittaker was a better fielder than
I was, and nineteen years a great war. I mean,
he's got outside of Joe Morgan and Ryan Sandberg, has
more home runs for any second basement. I really feel
that he should be in. I don't know why it's
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taken so long. You know, the very first vote he
got less than five percent, which which you know, immediately
disqualified him from the regular He was never on the
ballot again after that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
As I said, many baseball writers are idiots.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and Matt, on that note, I got to let
you go because I got a tee up a quick
news hit. But thank you for the call.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
All right, bye bye you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And see I got a quick question. Yep, you're starting
to see robots put in decision making positions in Major
League Baseball. What do you think about that, because we're
going to see that in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, I'm kind of torn. I can go either way.
I was actually going to have you and I discuss
a little bit about replays at some point tonight. Maybe
we can still do that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We can do that after there are no calls, So
maybe we can do it after the news. Okay, that's good,
all right, So let's table that in discussion. But if people,
if they want to call in, as others have done
over this two hour, well ninety minutes of the two
hours I've committed for Dixie six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, eight, eight, eight,
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nine to nine, ten thirty, call in, share your opinion.
Keep it to baseball. It's not wander off subject. Believe me.
Baseball is a wide enough subject. There are thirty odd
cities that have a baseball team, as mentioned earlier tonight,
and we've only brought up about a half dozen to
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ten teams in our conversation. So where are the conversations
about the Cleveland Guardians? Are almost at Indians?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Where don't do that?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I know, I know what about the Rays, the team
the Red Sox played tonight. You want to talk about
any team, Dixie knows about all of them, believe me.
And on that note, let's take our break time here
on night Side eleven twenty nine, temperature holding at seventy
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four degrees.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I've been saying this for the past two days. Dan
Ray will be back on Monday. He's had vacation time
and he's taken it at vacation's over. Dan, we'll see
on Monday. I'm Morgan. I get to fill in periodically
my regular shows on Saturdays now starting at ten pm,
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not nine pm until further notice. And this gentleman has
called me whether I'm filling in for Dan or on
my show Duke in Ohio. So Duke, welcome tonight's side.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Thanks. Hey guys, Dixie in particular, I have a question
for you. I've also been curious of other professional baseball
teams did something that happened here. I'm calling from near Dayton, Ohio,
sixty miles from Cincinnati. But back in the day, one
of the now defunct newspapers in the city of Dayton,
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on the usually the day before the Old Star Game,
this paper would sponsor what they called a baseball clinic.
And what was the draw for this was that a
handful of Reds players who did not make the All
Star Game attended this and we're giving instructions and they
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would take batting practice and things like that. I've traveled
all over the country, talked a lot of different baseball fans.
I have not found anybody who can relate a similar
experience with ball clubs in other cities. Are you familiar
with any other team that might have done that?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, I am not. I have not heard of that.
It's possible that it might have happened, especially someplace near Cincinnati,
since they might have heard about it and copied it,
but I have not heard anything about it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
No.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, this was This started in the early sixties. I
think it started in like sixty one or sixty and
I know it was till I'm going up until at
least the early seventies, so they probably did this for
maybe a period of ten years. Very well attended. It
was was a part of the highlight of the summer
for a lot of young kids there. Sounds like it
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was a lot of fun for everybody. Oh really, well yeah,
all right, Well the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Real quick, brkan, that would be that would be a
Crosley field, right, uh correct?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, well no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
No.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
The the actual the actual clinic was held in Dayton
at a public baseball field. Oh okay, so Dayton to
Cincinnati again, it's a you know, it's a sixty miles
sixty mile drive. So, okay, these players that came up
or you know, came up from Cincinnati's in this I
can remember. I don't know if you remember, but back
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in the day, back in the late sixties early seventies,
the Reds had a utility player that they called Super SUBB.
Do you remember a guy named Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I remember the name.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yes, Okay, I got to I got to meet him,
and you know, I got an autograph, and you know,
I'm just very personal. Guys. You know, we were young kids,
and you know, we were just starry eyed, and here
these guys were out there, you know, right in front
of us playing. You go up and talk to him
and get autographs. It was pretty amazing, all right, real quick. Yes,
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the previous guest somebody was it you or no? I
think it back? It was the lyrics of the song
where the subject of there was never a corporal and
Beetle Bailey, Yes there was a fact there still is
uh corporal. Go he's an Asian.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, And you know what, Bill mentioned that, and he
said that mort basically didn't know what he had on
his hands. And and there was some very insensitive karmic
strips dealing with like pronunciation and other circumstances with an
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Asian character, and he discontinued using corporal yo rather rapidly.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
So he did he say that tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
On the air, he said both, he said, in that
theme they mentioned the corporal But when that thing he
was he was right about one thing. When that theme
came out, it was for nineteen sixty three cartoon.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Wow at that pair. No, I a fair point. Yeah,
corpoo came out well in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think it was more in the seventies when when
a corporal yo originally debuted.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
But you and I both there was a corporal But
if he if when he made the comments about the problems,
the insensitivities and all that, I think said that I
al must have been out trying to get my dog inside.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, I'm glad you get your dog safe inside. But
the key is that happened all over animation. There were
several cartoons throughout all the various companies, Warner Brothers, Fleischer's Studios,
Walter Lance Studios, that had, for lack of a better term,
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a non awareness of good taste. For an example, Warner Brothers,
they put out a cartoon juxtaposed to snow Whiteness. Seven
Dwarfs by Disney called Cole Black and D D E
seven s E B B E N Dwarfs.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
You know, I think I've heard of this.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And that that's just one example I can give you
of a cartoon fraught with insensitivity. The cartoon character the
Freedo Bandido Fret only discontinued using him because of the
obvious insult to Hispanics. I am the Frito Bandito. I
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love Frito's corn chips. I love them, I do, and
if you're not careful, I steal them from you. I
mean right there, you can understand how some people were
up in arms literally about some of these animated features.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, and I know you've seen some of the cartoons from.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
World War Two.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I mean those, yes, those are brutal.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But be aware of this. The Germans were our enemy.
The Japanese were our enemy, so kid gloves are off
depending on the negative stereotypes aimed at our enemy. But
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we had no enemy with Mexico in nineteen sixty two
and three of the Freedom Bandido. So timing is everything
our argument.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
All right, all right, thanks for I've good evening.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Duke, thank you for the call. Bybye. All right, Dixon,
now is the time for you and I have to
talk about robotics in the base of ball.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
First, First of all, let me say that if by
some chance you call my name and I don't respond,
means my phone is finally gone dead. Oh okay, and
I will call you back. All it usually lasts for
two hours, but I'm never quite sure. So that's if
that happens. That's that's why it's happening.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay. Now, robotics in baseball, Yes, I think the system
they have now a bang bang play at first base
if the Empire doesn't get it right, or if it
seems like the Empire got it right. But the manager
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who's on the losing end of that call says, I
want to challenge. They go to New York and everybody
that's around the various TV sets at Major League Baseball
in New York they watch sixteen different camera shots of
it and put their heads together and get it right.
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What will robotics do to that process?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Well, supposedly it's supposed to tell you immediately whether the
ball has hit the strike zone or not. I don't
know how true that's going to be, especially right away
until they get some of the bugs out of it.
But that's what it's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Now we're talking about uh, in the batter's box pitches.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, I think that's the only place where you're going
to have robotic umpires is batter's box for balls and
strike because it doesn't make any sense anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Because they already have systems in place.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, because what is the machine going to do with
a bang bang play at first base?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And the other thing is that, yes, you are exactly
right in your description of a bang bang play at
first base. I always wonder about when there's a call
close at first base, or a tag play at second
base on a stolen base or something, and the umpire,
the sixteen shots from five different angles proved that the
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umpire is wrong, and I think that's I think that's terrible.
And you know, people walk away and say, well, the
umpire's no good. That's ridiculous. The umpire has one second
to make a decision watching from one angle, and the
six different television camera views show you six angles, and
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you can slow it down to one centimeter a second,
And so you're asking the umpire to do the work
of six cameras, which is absurd.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We should just make you the commissioner baseball.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well, we should. We should have done that a long
time ago, before his last two idiots got in there.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I know, before he got kind of old to
fill that position. There was a ground swell of support
for Peter Gammons to be Yes, there was a baseball commissioner,
the baseball commissioner. Why didn't that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well, because they probably didn't want somebody who was independent
and actually knew something about baseball.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There goes a curmudgeoning you.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, there goes a truth teller in me.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Okay, can argue your point. Let's take our break. We'll
have about ten minutes a show left to go. And
by the way, before I forget, Susan Bragman will be
joining me tomorrow on The Morgan Show and Phil Castanetti
as well. And if you want to come play live
trivia with me every Tuesday from six to seven thirty,
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I'm at the Midway Cafe in Denham to sixty nine
Washington Street. I'd love to meet you. Dixie's been there,
mel Simon's has been there. Maybe you, yes, you you
right there at home. Maybe you'll come by this Tuesday
to sixty nine Washington Street in Denham. Now that I've
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told you all that, I'll tell you the time and
temperature eleven forty five seventy four degrees.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Night side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Crossly nine minutes of show to go. Dixie and I
are here and Dixie, any points you wanted to bring
up Because we have no phone calls, it's just you
and I chit chatting.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
All right, that's good. I have one little piece of
cute information here for Red Sox fans, especially on this
date seven to eleven, nineteen seventy five. Woo, nineteen seventy five. Yes,
the Red Sox are playing the Texas Rangers here at Fenway,
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and somebody by the name of Bernie Carbo hit a
three run homer to put them ahead and to help
them eventually win the game that night eleven to eight. Okay,
but that was on this date nineteen seventy five, sort
of a prelimb to what would happen after a few months.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Whatever became of him.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
He went to different places after a.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
While, and I think he, after his baseball career was over,
became a handdresser.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, he did. I believe that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, And Jim Lomborg became a dentist yep. And along
with the Patriots, Bill Lancinas became a dentist. How he
get those big hands into a mouth that's beyond me.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So one guy could knock your teeth out and the
other guy could fix them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
There you go. You're a pretty smart man when you
want to be.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Seems like a good deal, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Now, seeing that we have a handful of minutes left,
give me a national park. If people can coordinate it
should go to for a summer trip.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Well, good God. Again, I don't know what the situation
is going to be when they arrive. But if you
have not gone yet at certainly Yellowstone, certainly Grand Canyon,
certainly Yosemite, And if those are too big and too
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crowded and you just can't fit your way in, then
you could go to Mount Rainier where they're having earthquakes.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh yeah. If mont Rainier goes, you can kiss Seattle goodbye.
By the way, well.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
If the one they predict for Yellowstone over there in three.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Hundred years, kiss most of the West goodbye. Yes, But anyway,
there are five beautiful parks in Utah. Usually they are
not that crowded as opposed to the other ones. And
so Zion, Bryce, Capitol reef Arches. They're all great. They
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will all show you things that you've never seen before,
especially if you haven't been out in that part of
the country before. So uh, take your pick. And if
you want to stay, you want to stay closer to home,
then great Smoky Mountains uh uh, nor Acadia up in Maine.
They are just there in any direction you want to
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go to, depending on how much money you've got to spend,
how much time you've got to use, and maybe how
many people are going with you.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
All Right, believe it or not. A call just came
in under the wires, so to speak. So let's go
to New Bedford and speak to Vincent. Vincent, you've called
awfully late.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
What's up, Morgan, my friend? How are you? I just
got out of a concert. How's every big Dolla?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Is this Sinny, Carolyn?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It is how a Hi dick say hello? Listen.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I don't know if you talked about this topic before,
but we've got to approach the subject.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
About Savannah bananas.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Are they a flash in the pan or are they
here to stay.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
They've been around too long to be a flash in
the pan.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, they're they're doing real well. They're they're filling up
Major League ballparks for their one or two visits a year.
So they're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And they got a TV contract now with the CW.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Do they Okay?
Speaker 6 (37:14):
They were drawing three to five thousand fans what four
or five years ago. Now they're selling out Bendway Park.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, they do it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There's a lot of hype and they're exciting. They're exciting
to watch, and kids love them, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I'll say one thing though, some of the catches the
outfielders are making, you know, a fly ball and they
catch it between their knees, and I think it gives
kids the wrong fundamentals. They have to understand you're not
supposed to do that flyball, catch it with two hands. Please,
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thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
They start doing that in little league, it's going to
be a problem.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
There's just too much show voting. I know that's what
they've built their reputation on. So I hope kids understand
don't attempt this when you're playing for your little league team,
your high school team, because your coaches will be unhappy
with you.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, these are professionals. Don't try this at home. Excellent.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Okay, gentlemen, thank you so much, enjoy.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The night, Take care, Finny, thanks for calling. All right,
bye bye. That's a former talking trivia.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
It hah he who is?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
He used to listen to me and he became an
intern under the Flicker and he stayed in touch. He
was a wrestling fan. He wrote a book along with
Ed Simpkis called Wrestle Radio USA. That was the name
of the radio show. And he's made a career in
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radio basically because of me.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, that just goes to show you almost anything will
fly if you can do it, if you can do
it right, if you can do it right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Now, how can people get in touch with you? Do
you have a website or.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
No, I don't. I'm out there. The best way to
get in touch with me is to wait for my
next appearance on the Morgan Show.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Well, you do have saber connections and those people get
in touch with you, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
They do. And by all this, by the way, I
wanted to tell everyone if you are a baseball fan,
a real baseball fan, Diagna Wool, then my advice to you,
if you do not know about this already, is that
there are at least three places you can go on
the Internet to find out things about baseball that you
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may not know because there is so much information out there.
It's an amazing thing. And those three places are Baseball Reference,
which has its own website, and Everything retro Sheet, which
is my favorite, just retrosheet dot org, and you can
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just manipulate your way around the computer to find out
the answers to any questions you want. I mean, they
have the baseball results for every single game ever played,
just for starters. And the other one is SABER. SABR,
the Society for American Baseball Research has its own website.
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Plenty of stuff there that you can go on to
even without being a member, but if you become a member,
there is a fee. If you become a member, then
there's even more stuff that you can join in on.
Join a committee, join a chapter, go to meetings, meet
a lot of people who love baseball. They have great
guest speakers. It's a lot of fun. And so that
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is three places you can go to if you are
a real baseball fan. Those are great sites to take
advantage of.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Fifteen seconds to answer this question, will the Red Sox
ever retire Tony C's number.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Probably not, But I will give you the answer to
the other trivia question, which is those two All Star
Games were the longest to date at that time. They
were both won in the fourteenth and fifteenth innings by
solo home runs. That's the connection between them.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Dixie, thank you for your time. You know I appreciate it.
I'll see you later. Rob, thank you for an excellently
produced program. Thank you to Taylor Blackwell, and thank you
to build Jeno Jenoka. There you all. Thank you, Nancy,
thank you, Gray, thank you night side audience. I've got
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my show tomorrow, The Morgan Show come on by about
ten o'clock. I'll keep entertained for a couple of hours.
And once again by Boston.
It's nice with Dray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'll Boston News Radio, all thank you again for that
nice intro you give me. You always give me a
very nice intro. Dixie is here. We're talking baseball and Dixie.
We've got two callings on hold. One is from Baltimore,
Oriole Country and the other, as you well know, is
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from Detroit Tiger Country.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good glad to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, well, let's go to Maryland first and speak
to Ryan. Ryan. Good evening, you guys doing doing.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, good good. I had to look it up. I'll
tell you what I think. You mentioned the other player
way way behind and the way way behind on number
three for the June eleventh or July eleventh birthday is
I believe the second place one might be Hobby Lopez.
The first place one I believe was Bob Allison.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
That's correct, you are correct, And and I had to
look it up. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
And but I am a I am a huge I'm
an old uh uh statistics guy, and I love the
old he was an old Washington senator oddly enough, and
then they moved to Minnesota after that. But and I am,
but I truly am a Baltimore Orial fan I'm a
I'm born I was born in Western Maryland and Baltimore
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is my h I grew up loving Brooks, Robinson and
Robinson and you name it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
How you know, yeah, powerful president.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, well listen, and I don't have a clue on
the other the other the other two years.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You don't need to answer that you've shown off by
answering one.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
All right, well, very good and run.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let me tell you this. Dixie doesn't even know. I'm
going to say this. If you ever come to Boston,
the Boston area, get in touch with me, let me know,
and Dixon, I will take you out to lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yuh.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Ironically, I have never been to Fenway Park, and I
think it is one of the true, the true.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Uh you know, travesty. The word is travesty. It is
it is travesty. But you but have you been to
Camden Yards?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Sure, a couple of times? Oh good? Oh, really good,
good good? Have you been a Memorial Stadium? I had.
I saw the last three games at Memorial Stadium. Really,
oh my last three. That's that's that's uh, that's pretty
that's one of the kind type stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Did they drive up in the limo with some of
their players and pull up home plate at the end
of the last game they played there.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, they they did, but they they introduced like fifty players,
they had them all come out from from years and
years and years beforehand. But they did plate, Yes, they did.
I think they flew it over to the new place
by helicopter.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh okay, great, great point.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now I have a question two questions. Actually, did you
know that Bob Allison was Rookie of the Year in
nineteen fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I did not know that. But the reason that I
even know anything about the Minnesota excuse, yeah, the Minnesota Twins,
was that friends of mine I grew up with were
always coming up with this Minnesota Twins stuff, and I'm going,
why are they so associated? I mean before the web obviously,
years and years and years, why are they so fascinated
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with the Minnesota Twins, having not known until later that
you know, that's where they emerged from Washington to go
to and Minnesota was won of the World Series? Could
they have hung on? If they could have hung on
five more years in Washington, they would have been the
likes of you know, the World Series winners. So it
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was incredible that they moved to way when they moved away.
And but Bob Allison was one of the guys. Killer
Killer was another Killer Brew was another one of the
guys they used to talk about.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And yeah Tony, yeah, yep, yep yep.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And Camillo Pascual, the old pitcher who was a really
good player in his day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And well, my more relevant question to you is what
in the hell is the matter with the Orioles.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Uh they were I'll tell you, I'll tell you what
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They got.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
They don't have it. As Earl Weaver used to say,
the key to winning is pitching in defense, and the
first one of those is pitching. And their pitching, their
starting pitching has been hurt all year. They and then
they lost their their best pitcher who signed with Arizona.
They lost him and so and then Rodriguez uh is
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the guy who remained who won fifteen games I think
last year, and he's been hurt all year. They just
haven't had any starting pitching. But but they are still
holding on and I'm amazed that they're doing as well
as they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Actually, do you know the name of the baseball player
who failed an audition with the Washington Senators and went
into politics.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Oh boy, failed an audition with the Washington Senators.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
YEP, I do not. I think he was hoping to
be given a second basement position some guy named Castro,
Fidel Castro.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Oh you know what now you messed.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I heard a long time ago I heard a story
like that. I remember he played in the minor leagues,
in the in the in the in the America, the
United States, I believe, didn't he Yeah he did, Yeah,
he was the quick a quick twenty second story about
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the DC stadium was rf K, I guess it was.
And who was the the baseball the four starters for
the Braves, the left handed the guy that won twenty
games for the Braves. They they were he they were maddocks,
those guys that that era. Yeah, Glavin, Glab Glavin. Okay,
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So Glavin walked into the stadium one day and Tim
Kirchen was there with him, and all of a sudden,
Kirchen said, uh, oh, Glavin said.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What is that that that painted painted seat way way
way way out there and Gladd and uh Kerchin said,
well that's where Frank Howard hit a home run, and uh,
Glavin goes, well, was the was it configured the same way?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They couldn't have been configured? That the stadium wasn't configured
the same way? Couldn't have been And he said, no
it was and and Hondo Hondo Howard had hit one
of his monsters shots up to the uh probably way
way further than anybody could imagine. Sou but that that was, Uh,
that's the old. Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's one of my favorite stories about uh, you know
people that who would know that Glavin who could not
conceive of a ball hitting that far?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, well, he was a picture and he hates to
think that some pitcher gave up that type of a
home run.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You're right here, right, you're right, you're right, But that was.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I have seen two games at Fenway this year and
one was against Baltimore and Baltimore won. Well, thank goodness,
than Baltimore won that series. Yes, that's what's that's what
started their little winning streak of about six out of
seven games. My favorite player is Adley Rutchman, and I
wish he was playing more. Oh, he's hurt and it's
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a shame. He Adley is a fantastic, uh, a fantastic
baseball player and did you know he wants kicked for
the University of Oregon. Uh we didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, he was a kicker on the University of Oregon
for a little while least anyways. But but Adley is
a fantastic ballplayer in and H Baltimore's is hurting without
a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I mean, they go through catchers like like you know,
we're like like nobody's business. And so it's they were
on like number four or five catcher already this year.
So it's it's it's pitching in defense, and their defense
is good, but the pitching starting pitching is not. And
that's that's why we're hurting.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, Ron, I gotta let you go because it's
quite past the hour and that's when I take a break.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But thanks you for no I appreciate you guys talking,
and I appreciate all the information and having take the
rest of your.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Day by time and chefter here on night Side eleven
fifteen seventy four degrees.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All right, are you up on your Detroit Tigers info, Dixie?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Pretty much?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Then let's take our next call here on Nightside from
Matt in Michigan. Welcome Matt.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Good evening.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I just wanted to get this out of the way.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
First, Trek School Will lost the game today for the
first time since the first part of April. So I
think he's entitled to that. You know, it's four or
five success almost three and a half months. Fabulous, fabulous
pitcher should be starting the All Star Game on Tuesday.
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I haven't heard if he is, but.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Should be.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I should have been last year.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, help he well. Schemes also lost today.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Oh well, those things happen. See they always say things
happen in threes skates. That happened too. But you know,
we're up to six players off the team. Six players
around the All Star team. Not bad for a team
that only has one player.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You're gonna drive that statement into the ground. Somebody said
that last February of March they only have one player
in Detroit and they'll be blah blah blah, lucky to
be a fifty fifty team. And look at where they
are now.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I have the best record in all the thirty cities. Yeah,
there you go. But you know, what are you what
are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think I have an answer to your one of
your questions that nineteen sixty seven by the nineteen fifty game, uncertainly,
you know, I wasn't even born.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yet, but.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
You said that there's a thing that they have in common. Yes, well,
the sixty seven one. I loved it because you know,
at that time you had very little exposure to National baseball.
You know, the only time I've ever seen the National
League teams generally were the All Star Game in the
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World Series, and they had some of my favorite pitchers
in the National League. And I remember that game. It
was in Anaheim. It went fifteen innings, and you know,
Tom Seaver pitched, they had they had some great, great
pitchers in the National League, Marichelle, Bob Gibson. But my guess,
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not knowing anything about the fifty, the only the only
things that I remember about that game where the National
League in fifteen innings, didn't walk at all and the
game went extra innings, and that'd be I guess that
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the nineteen fifty and nineteen sixty seven games were maybe
two of the first games that went extra innings.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well that's that. That's sort of right, but not completely
so I can't give you an excellent.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, he's right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Well they did both go extra innings.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But there's more to it than that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But there's but there is more to it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, And as I remember the sixty seven game, Tony
c was playing and he robbed somebody of a home
run to keep the game going. Am I accurate with
that memory, Dixie?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That I do not know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, I vaguely remember that.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
What else have you got, Well, I mean as far
as that question or another.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Question, any other questions.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Well, I've got a trivia question. I'll turn the tables.
What was the oddity of the famous ball game?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I'll address this to both of you.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
There was an oddity in the walk off home run
of the nineteen sixty World Series.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No one struck out.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, that's correct. No one struck out on three teams
in eighteen innings.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And a lot of guys struck out in the first
six games. So it was very very strange.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
And you know the other strange thing about that series
was the Yankees, of course, won three games in Pittsburgh,
and well the games at Pittsburgh won were by one
or two runs. And the Yankees the games that they won,
they absolutely clabored them. You know, twelve nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I forget. Yes, yes, they have the other I think
they won the other two games. They think they won
the other two games by at least nine or ten runs. Yeah,
and they lost the series, Yes, they did, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, you're dislike the Yankees. Is showing, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Let me ask you this question. Do you believe that
Bill Mazerowski is worthy of being in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes? And I think he should have won the Most
Valuable Player for that series? Also, even though Bobby Richardson
won it and is the only person in World Series
history to win the Most Valuable Player on from a
losing team. But Masarowski won another game with another home run,
and he should have won or at least tied. They
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should have maybe equals, they should have shared it, maybe,
but Richardson should not have won it on his own.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Bobby Richardson was the Okay, I have a players, that's right,
and he.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Was great, no question about it. But Mansarowski won two
games and the series with home runs.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Let me ask you something else. Are you are you
a proponent of the war the importance of the war category?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, okay, I will look at it. I will read it,
but I'm not a proponent.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Okay, Now a step in the direction of when I
asked you about Masarowski, because I don't think that he is.
He was a mediocre hitter at best.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
It took him like twenty five years, you know, to
get in, and he got in through the veterans committing.
My feeling has always been, if you're good enough to
make the Hall of Fame, you should make it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
They shouldn't have to lobby you for it, you know,
for twenty five years and say, okay, well you take
my guy, and I'll take your guy, and you know,
I'll vote for your man, and you vote for my man.
And finally, after twenty five years they've been dumb. They
put him in. And do you because the war, the
fellow that I'm going to mention, is just so great
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and it's out of.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Out of this world as far.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
As the not being in the Hall of Fame, And
that's lou Whittaker. If you believe in the war evaluation,
his is like in the high seventies, I believe, and
that's higher than many second basemen that are in the
Hall of Fame. Do you have any feelings about Whittaker
(16:51):
being in there.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Well, I think that he certainly if he went in,
I would certainly approve of it. But me add this,
for thirty years, the writers told me that Nellie Fox
didn't deserve to be in the Haffee was the best
second basement in the National League for more than twelve years.
Fox was the best second base in the American League
(17:14):
for more than twelve years. They both deserve to be
in the Hall of Fame within the time period that
they should have been voted in. I cannot help it
if the writers are morons.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Feel now Whittaker, Whittaker played nineteen years in the same
city has for a second basement. You know, I'm not
comparing him to a power hitting outfielder, but for second basemen.
You know, played nineteen years the most double plays of
any you know, teaming in with Trammell.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Alan Tramill had something to do with that double play record.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
He had, right, And you know the man had a
bullet for an arm. I remember Charlie Geeringer once said
when they asked him who was the better second basement,
and he was honest, he said, well.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I was a hitter.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I certainly was which he was, but he said as
a fielder, he said, Whittaker was a better fielder than
I was, and nineteen years a great war. I mean,
he's got outside of Joe Morgan and Ryan Sandberg, has
more home runs for any second basement. I really feel
that he should be in. I don't know why it's
(18:28):
taken so long. You know, the very first vote he
got less than five percent, which which you know, immediately
disqualified him from the regular He was never on the
ballot again after that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
As I said, many baseball writers are idiots.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and Matt, on that note, I got to let
you go because I got a tee up a quick
news hit. But thank you for the call.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
All right, bye bye you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And see I got a quick question. Yep, you're starting
to see robots put in decision making positions in Major
League Baseball. What do you think about that, because we're
going to see that in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, I'm kind of torn. I can go either way.
I was actually going to have you and I discuss
a little bit about replays at some point tonight. Maybe
we can still do that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We can do that after there are no calls, So
maybe we can do it after the news. Okay, that's good,
all right, So let's table that in discussion. But if people,
if they want to call in, as others have done
over this two hour, well ninety minutes of the two
hours I've committed for Dixie six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, eight, eight, eight,
(19:50):
nine to nine, ten thirty, call in, share your opinion.
Keep it to baseball. It's not wander off subject. Believe me.
Baseball is a wide enough subject. There are thirty odd
cities that have a baseball team, as mentioned earlier tonight,
and we've only brought up about a half dozen to
(20:12):
ten teams in our conversation. So where are the conversations
about the Cleveland Guardians? Are almost at Indians?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Where don't do that?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I know, I know what about the Rays, the team
the Red Sox played tonight. You want to talk about
any team, Dixie knows about all of them, believe me.
And on that note, let's take our break time here
on night Side eleven twenty nine, temperature holding at seventy
(20:45):
four degrees.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I've been saying this for the past two days. Dan
Ray will be back on Monday. He's had vacation time
and he's taken it at vacation's over. Dan, we'll see
on Monday. I'm Morgan. I get to fill in periodically
my regular shows on Saturdays now starting at ten pm,
(21:16):
not nine pm until further notice. And this gentleman has
called me whether I'm filling in for Dan or on
my show Duke in Ohio. So Duke, welcome tonight's side.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Thanks. Hey guys, Dixie in particular, I have a question
for you. I've also been curious of other professional baseball
teams did something that happened here. I'm calling from near Dayton, Ohio,
sixty miles from Cincinnati. But back in the day, one
of the now defunct newspapers in the city of Dayton,
(21:56):
on the usually the day before the Old Star Game,
this paper would sponsor what they called a baseball clinic.
And what was the draw for this was that a
handful of Reds players who did not make the All
Star Game attended this and we're giving instructions and they
(22:21):
would take batting practice and things like that. I've traveled
all over the country, talked a lot of different baseball fans.
I have not found anybody who can relate a similar
experience with ball clubs in other cities. Are you familiar
with any other team that might have done that?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, I am not. I have not heard of that.
It's possible that it might have happened, especially someplace near Cincinnati,
since they might have heard about it and copied it,
but I have not heard anything about it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
No.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, this was This started in the early sixties. I
think it started in like sixty one or sixty and
I know it was till I'm going up until at
least the early seventies, so they probably did this for
maybe a period of ten years. Very well attended. It
was was a part of the highlight of the summer
for a lot of young kids there. Sounds like it
(23:16):
was a lot of fun for everybody. Oh really, well yeah,
all right, Well the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Real quick, brkan, that would be that would be a
Crosley field, right, uh correct?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, well no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
No.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
The the actual the actual clinic was held in Dayton
at a public baseball field. Oh okay, so Dayton to
Cincinnati again, it's a you know, it's a sixty miles
sixty mile drive. So, okay, these players that came up
or you know, came up from Cincinnati's in this I
can remember. I don't know if you remember, but back
(23:54):
in the day, back in the late sixties early seventies,
the Reds had a utility player that they called Super SUBB.
Do you remember a guy named Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I remember the name.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yes, Okay, I got to I got to meet him,
and you know, I got an autograph, and you know,
I'm just very personal. Guys. You know, we were young kids,
and you know, we were just starry eyed, and here
these guys were out there, you know, right in front
of us playing. You go up and talk to him
and get autographs. It was pretty amazing, all right, real quick. Yes,
(24:30):
the previous guest somebody was it you or no? I
think it back? It was the lyrics of the song
where the subject of there was never a corporal and
Beetle Bailey, Yes there was a fact there still is
uh corporal. Go he's an Asian.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, And you know what, Bill mentioned that, and he
said that mort basically didn't know what he had on
his hands. And and there was some very insensitive karmic
strips dealing with like pronunciation and other circumstances with an
(25:10):
Asian character, and he discontinued using corporal yo rather rapidly.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
So he did he say that tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
On the air, he said both, he said, in that
theme they mentioned the corporal But when that thing he
was he was right about one thing. When that theme
came out, it was for nineteen sixty three cartoon.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Wow at that pair. No, I a fair point. Yeah,
corpoo came out well in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think it was more in the seventies when when
a corporal yo originally debuted.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
But you and I both there was a corporal But
if he if when he made the comments about the problems,
the insensitivities and all that, I think said that I
al must have been out trying to get my dog inside.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, I'm glad you get your dog safe inside. But
the key is that happened all over animation. There were
several cartoons throughout all the various companies, Warner Brothers, Fleischer's Studios,
Walter Lance Studios, that had, for lack of a better term,
(26:27):
a non awareness of good taste. For an example, Warner Brothers,
they put out a cartoon juxtaposed to snow Whiteness. Seven
Dwarfs by Disney called Cole Black and D D E
seven s E B B E N Dwarfs.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
You know, I think I've heard of this.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And that that's just one example I can give you
of a cartoon fraught with insensitivity. The cartoon character the
Freedo Bandido Fret only discontinued using him because of the
obvious insult to Hispanics. I am the Frito Bandito. I
(27:19):
love Frito's corn chips. I love them, I do, and
if you're not careful, I steal them from you. I
mean right there, you can understand how some people were
up in arms literally about some of these animated features.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, and I know you've seen some of the cartoons from.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
World War Two.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I mean those, yes, those are brutal.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But be aware of this. The Germans were our enemy.
The Japanese were our enemy, so kid gloves are off
depending on the negative stereotypes aimed at our enemy. But
(28:07):
we had no enemy with Mexico in nineteen sixty two
and three of the Freedom Bandido. So timing is everything
our argument.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
All right, all right, thanks for I've good evening.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Duke, thank you for the call. Bybye. All right, Dixon,
now is the time for you and I have to
talk about robotics in the base of ball.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
First, First of all, let me say that if by
some chance you call my name and I don't respond,
means my phone is finally gone dead. Oh okay, and
I will call you back. All it usually lasts for
two hours, but I'm never quite sure. So that's if
that happens. That's that's why it's happening.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay. Now, robotics in baseball, Yes, I think the system
they have now a bang bang play at first base
if the Empire doesn't get it right, or if it
seems like the Empire got it right. But the manager
(29:18):
who's on the losing end of that call says, I
want to challenge. They go to New York and everybody
that's around the various TV sets at Major League Baseball
in New York they watch sixteen different camera shots of
it and put their heads together and get it right.
(29:39):
What will robotics do to that process?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Well, supposedly it's supposed to tell you immediately whether the
ball has hit the strike zone or not. I don't
know how true that's going to be, especially right away
until they get some of the bugs out of it.
But that's what it's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Now we're talking about uh, in the batter's box pitches.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, I think that's the only place where you're going
to have robotic umpires is batter's box for balls and
strike because it doesn't make any sense anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Because they already have systems in place.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, because what is the machine going to do with
a bang bang play at first base?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And the other thing is that, yes, you are exactly
right in your description of a bang bang play at
first base. I always wonder about when there's a call
close at first base, or a tag play at second
base on a stolen base or something, and the umpire,
the sixteen shots from five different angles proved that the
(30:48):
umpire is wrong, and I think that's I think that's terrible.
And you know, people walk away and say, well, the
umpire's no good. That's ridiculous. The umpire has one second
to make a decision watching from one angle, and the
six different television camera views show you six angles, and
(31:08):
you can slow it down to one centimeter a second,
And so you're asking the umpire to do the work
of six cameras, which is absurd.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We should just make you the commissioner baseball.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well, we should. We should have done that a long
time ago, before his last two idiots got in there.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I know, before he got kind of old to
fill that position. There was a ground swell of support
for Peter Gammons to be Yes, there was a baseball commissioner,
the baseball commissioner. Why didn't that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well, because they probably didn't want somebody who was independent
and actually knew something about baseball.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There goes a curmudgeoning you.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, there goes a truth teller in me.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Okay, can argue your point. Let's take our break. We'll
have about ten minutes a show left to go. And
by the way, before I forget, Susan Bragman will be
joining me tomorrow on The Morgan Show and Phil Castanetti
as well. And if you want to come play live
trivia with me every Tuesday from six to seven thirty,
(32:24):
I'm at the Midway Cafe in Denham to sixty nine
Washington Street. I'd love to meet you. Dixie's been there,
mel Simon's has been there. Maybe you, yes, you you
right there at home. Maybe you'll come by this Tuesday
to sixty nine Washington Street in Denham. Now that I've
(32:46):
told you all that, I'll tell you the time and
temperature eleven forty five seventy four degrees.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Night side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Crossly nine minutes of show to go. Dixie and I
are here and Dixie, any points you wanted to bring
up Because we have no phone calls, it's just you
and I chit chatting.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
All right, that's good. I have one little piece of
cute information here for Red Sox fans, especially on this
date seven to eleven, nineteen seventy five. Woo, nineteen seventy five. Yes,
the Red Sox are playing the Texas Rangers here at Fenway,
(33:35):
and somebody by the name of Bernie Carbo hit a
three run homer to put them ahead and to help
them eventually win the game that night eleven to eight. Okay,
but that was on this date nineteen seventy five, sort
of a prelimb to what would happen after a few months.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Whatever became of him.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
He went to different places after a.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
While, and I think he, after his baseball career was over,
became a handdresser.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, he did. I believe that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, And Jim Lomborg became a dentist yep. And along
with the Patriots, Bill Lancinas became a dentist. How he
get those big hands into a mouth that's beyond me.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So one guy could knock your teeth out and the
other guy could fix them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
There you go. You're a pretty smart man when you
want to be.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Seems like a good deal, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Now, seeing that we have a handful of minutes left,
give me a national park. If people can coordinate it
should go to for a summer trip.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Well, good God. Again, I don't know what the situation
is going to be when they arrive. But if you
have not gone yet at certainly Yellowstone, certainly Grand Canyon,
certainly Yosemite, And if those are too big and too
(35:13):
crowded and you just can't fit your way in, then
you could go to Mount Rainier where they're having earthquakes.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh yeah. If mont Rainier goes, you can kiss Seattle goodbye.
By the way, well.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
If the one they predict for Yellowstone over there in three.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Hundred years, kiss most of the West goodbye. Yes, But anyway,
there are five beautiful parks in Utah. Usually they are
not that crowded as opposed to the other ones. And
so Zion, Bryce, Capitol reef Arches. They're all great. They
(35:55):
will all show you things that you've never seen before,
especially if you haven't been out in that part of
the country before. So uh, take your pick. And if
you want to stay, you want to stay closer to home,
then great Smoky Mountains uh uh, nor Acadia up in Maine.
They are just there in any direction you want to
(36:16):
go to, depending on how much money you've got to spend,
how much time you've got to use, and maybe how
many people are going with you.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
All Right, believe it or not. A call just came
in under the wires, so to speak. So let's go
to New Bedford and speak to Vincent. Vincent, you've called
awfully late.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
What's up, Morgan, my friend? How are you? I just
got out of a concert. How's every big Dolla?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Is this Sinny, Carolyn?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It is how a Hi dick say hello? Listen.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I don't know if you talked about this topic before,
but we've got to approach the subject.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
About Savannah bananas.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Are they a flash in the pan or are they
here to stay.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
They've been around too long to be a flash in
the pan.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, they're they're doing real well. They're they're filling up
Major League ballparks for their one or two visits a year.
So they're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And they got a TV contract now with the CW.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Do they Okay?
Speaker 6 (37:14):
They were drawing three to five thousand fans what four
or five years ago. Now they're selling out Bendway Park.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, they do it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There's a lot of hype and they're exciting. They're exciting
to watch, and kids love them, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I'll say one thing though, some of the catches the
outfielders are making, you know, a fly ball and they
catch it between their knees, and I think it gives
kids the wrong fundamentals. They have to understand you're not
supposed to do that flyball, catch it with two hands. Please,
(37:53):
thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
They start doing that in little league, it's going to
be a problem.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
There's just too much show voting. I know that's what
they've built their reputation on. So I hope kids understand
don't attempt this when you're playing for your little league team,
your high school team, because your coaches will be unhappy
with you.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, these are professionals. Don't try this at home. Excellent.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
Okay, gentlemen, thank you so much, enjoy.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The night, Take care, Finny, thanks for calling. All right,
bye bye. That's a former talking trivia.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
It hah he who is?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
He used to listen to me and he became an
intern under the Flicker and he stayed in touch. He
was a wrestling fan. He wrote a book along with
Ed Simpkis called Wrestle Radio USA. That was the name
of the radio show. And he's made a career in
(39:01):
radio basically because of me.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, that just goes to show you almost anything will
fly if you can do it, if you can do
it right, if you can do it right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Now, how can people get in touch with you? Do
you have a website or.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
No, I don't. I'm out there. The best way to
get in touch with me is to wait for my
next appearance on the Morgan Show.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Well, you do have saber connections and those people get
in touch with you, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
They do. And by all this, by the way, I
wanted to tell everyone if you are a baseball fan,
a real baseball fan, Diagna Wool, then my advice to you,
if you do not know about this already, is that
there are at least three places you can go on
the Internet to find out things about baseball that you
(39:56):
may not know because there is so much information out there.
It's an amazing thing. And those three places are Baseball Reference,
which has its own website, and Everything retro Sheet, which
is my favorite, just retrosheet dot org, and you can
(40:18):
just manipulate your way around the computer to find out
the answers to any questions you want. I mean, they
have the baseball results for every single game ever played,
just for starters. And the other one is SABER. SABR,
the Society for American Baseball Research has its own website.
(40:39):
Plenty of stuff there that you can go on to
even without being a member, but if you become a member,
there is a fee. If you become a member, then
there's even more stuff that you can join in on.
Join a committee, join a chapter, go to meetings, meet
a lot of people who love baseball. They have great
guest speakers. It's a lot of fun. And so that
(41:01):
is three places you can go to if you are
a real baseball fan. Those are great sites to take
advantage of.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Fifteen seconds to answer this question, will the Red Sox
ever retire Tony C's number.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Probably not, But I will give you the answer to
the other trivia question, which is those two All Star
Games were the longest to date at that time. They
were both won in the fourteenth and fifteenth innings by
solo home runs. That's the connection between them.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Dixie, thank you for your time. You know I appreciate it.
I'll see you later. Rob, thank you for an excellently
produced program. Thank you to Taylor Blackwell, and thank you
to build Jeno Jenoka. There you all. Thank you, Nancy,
thank you, Gray, thank you night side audience. I've got
(41:56):
my show tomorrow, The Morgan Show come on by about
ten o'clock. I'll keep entertained for a couple of hours.
And once again by Boston.
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