February 25, 2025 • 39 mins
How confident are you in air travel these days? In the wake of a string of recent airplane crashes, including the D.C. collision crash over the Potomac River and last week's Delta airlines crash in Toronto that flipped on the runway, confidence in air travel has slightly wavered. An AP/NORC survey shows that 64% of U.S. adults say plane travel is "very safe" or "somewhat safe". That's down slightly from last year, when 71% said that. Do the recent airline crashes make you rethink airline travel? Callers joined Dan for a second hour to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes Danny Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're talking about plane crashes here tonight and trying to
find out if recent crashes. Obviously one in Washington, we
took sixty seven lives, one in Toronto in which eighty
people were bored. Thankfully none of them died and barely
none in you know, critical injury. It's amazing that anybody
walked away from that flight. Has that changed your attitude
(00:29):
towards flying? Has it made you less likely? I know
that there's a certain number of people out there who
refuse to fly. I get it. I get it. It's
an uncomfortable feeling if you're not if you think, oh
my god, I'm up in the air here, I've lost
I don't have any control driving a car. You're in
control on a train. Although people die and train crashes,
(00:52):
most people think, well, the trains are going to run
off the tracks. I mean, I'm going to be okay,
although they sometimes do. But planes are a different story.
Most of the time. There are a few survivors, if any.
The Toronto crash was just the opposite. So I want
to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or six seven nine three, one, ten thirty.
(01:14):
We've been pretty lucky in this country. I think the
last big plane crash we had was a plane crash
in Buffalo, New York, in twenty ten. So we went
about fifteen years or so without a bad plane crash,
and then we had the plane crash on the Potomac,
which was reminiscent of a plane crash back in the
nineteen eighties of the Potomac. Let's get to the calls.
(01:35):
I'd like to hear from as many of you as possible.
Let me go to Dawn in New Hampshire. Was kind
enough to hold through the news. Dawn. I appreciate your patience.
We lost a couple of callers during the newscast. You're
next on night side, any of you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good evening, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's better. I don't know what you did to your phone,
but you sound great. Now, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I turned off the radio of my truck here and
just put it on speaker. I have not changed my
attitude about flying. I have flown for business at times
three and four times a week, maybe not too long,
a lot of Boston to New York, Boston to Washington,
(02:19):
quite a bit. I've flown I've shown a flown to
New Zealand about a year ago, and I've gone. I've
flown to Europe a couple of times, So we're not
really afraid of anything about that. I think the planes
are are very safe. My wife and I are big
fans of a program called Air Disasters on the Smithsonian Channel,
(02:39):
which we've got to learn a lot about what it
takes to go and it does not scare us from
watching it. Really, it's it's more like, wow, look at this.
And when you watch the programs, you see that a
lot of the issues that have fallen about the plane
crashes were frequently overseas, not too much here in the US.
(03:02):
And I think in generally you're a lot safer in
the air than you are on the ground. Are certainly
a lot safer than going through a tunnel in Boston.
You never know when the top might fall on you.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I saw that video the other day and that
was reminiscent of the tiles that fell back in I
guess it was when Mitt Romney was governor in the
Tip O'Neil tunnel. Yeah, you just never know. I mean
there were amazingly no one hurt. The other day I
think that the statistics still show that in terms of
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passenger miles, the numbers of miles people on airplanes fly,
it's statistically safer to be on an airplane than it
is to be in a car. But I think all
of us are a heck of a lot more used
to being in an automobile, and we feel we're under
We control the car, we don't control the plane.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But anyway, I kind of doubt the whole thing on
the pilots after COVID shot.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know no idea what we're going to do with that.
I hate to challenge people, but you know again, I
just as soon as you're saying to me, oh, you know,
the media keeps it undercovered. The media is still competitive,
and if there's a story, it just that is, you
know it. Does the media have a certain political biases,
(04:24):
Absolutely absolutely, But a story is a story, and.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, it's just it's exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I don't get it. I don't get it. A major
story they're going to cover up. I don't think so.
But that's neither here nor there. But it was good
news that he told me that we wore a certain
sort of suit cloth suit so in case there's a
fire on the plane, he'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah. They also should not wear flip flops or cross
they should be wearing ready to do anyway, thank you
very much for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You're welcome. Don talk to you soon. Okay, thanks very much.
I got to take a quick break. I got two
of my favorite callers coming up, William in Baltimore, Laurie
and Idaho, and I got room for some new callers here,
folks six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. If
you never called nightside, I invite you to join the conversation.
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Are you still somebody who is who looks forward to flying?
I don't to be honest with you. I remember when
I was working as a TV reporter, I had either
a record player or tape deck back in the day.
That'll date me and I used to love playing the
Willie Nelson song on the road again. I remember one
(05:44):
Friday they called me and said, hey, got Germany the hostages.
There's there's new hostages going. Hostage families going over some
of the marine people who are killed at the Bay
Root bomb blast. There were like two hundred and forty
three Marines and there were some survivors, including one young
(06:05):
man from Massachusetts, and we went over and met him
and his family there and literally flew on Friday Friday
night from Boston and Frankfort. We had to fly to
London on Saturday morning so we could edit, and then
back to Frankfort to get home on Sunday. We you know,
(06:25):
we did like nine thousand miles and I think forty
five hours and filed reports on two days. But that
was that was challenging. It was fun. Fine, isn't fun anymore.
But I just putting data aside, putting the fact that
it is too crowded and the seats are too small
and there's not enough room for not enough leg room,
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and the baggage bins are too small, and they've crowded
too many people in there is more importantly, have the
plane crashes and the near problems of the last few days.
We had one out of Atlanta today smoking the cockpit.
You're in a car, you're smoking the plane, I should say,
just not in the cockpit. And I saw that video tonight.
(07:08):
That was that was a nasty situation that those people
had to tolerate as they they went back to Atlanta. Okay,
we got six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty
one line there and six one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We're coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now back to Dan Ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
One of my best callers, my friend William from Baltimore
or William? Welcome? How are you sir?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
All right?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Now you're going, Darren and talk to you for a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, that's right, right, that's all right. Glad to hear
your voice tonight. So I know that that you have
told me in the past you were blind, but but
you have traveled by air. How are you feeling about
it these days?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, then I'll tell you what. I'll fly, right, and
I'm going to fly in July going to a convention
for the Blurn in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I went there a year before last on Southwestern Direct.
Like last year I went to Chicago, and the year
before that I went to UH act him and uh,
you know, I fly. I'm gonna tell you I agree
with the guy as far as uh. I think it's
a hassle. You're gonna go into ts A and uh
(08:27):
and you know when you gotta take your set off
and you know, one time a guy they're gonna they
go search the guide. Now he wants to play and
all that. You know, Yeah, yeah, a hassle man.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
But other than that, once again, would seemed to me
that if I was a T S A guy, a person,
I'd be a little more respectful of you than the
average fire Do you feel like that, you get that
you that you're.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Respected as someone who's who's you know, dealing with the disability.
And I say this on I kind of imagine how
difficult your life might be, your life must be if
I lost, if I were to have lost my vision.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
So they are, yeah, some of them are nice, and
some of them, you know on the spire them you know,
some of them, you know, they're just a by the boat.
But one thing I am about all the airlines, Uh they
let through pre board. So I like that, you know,
But I was remna use talking last week. I'm gonna
tell you what I hate. When the plane lands and
they tell everybody to say seated and tell the plane
(09:32):
gets city gate and remember you say, people stand up
and uh, you know they're taking things out the bens
And I'm gonna talk. I'm six foot three, so I
always like to sit on the aisle you know. When
I had my dog, though, I used to sit in
the middle because I had to put him up under
the seat and then people want to pet him and
bother him and all.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
That, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And I used to say, please leave it out alone.
He's working, you know. But people will hit you with
bags and everything. And as far as like driving, look,
I lived in Denver, I lived in Baltimore. So I
had this white idea. I was gonna take a boyhound
to Denver.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I was on that busck for forty eight hours when
and uh that that broke me out. O that brooke
me out. That I was playing two hundred dollars and
I found out that uh, punt Tier will fly me
home for one hundred and ninety round trip, you know,
and I have to take the Red Eye, you know,
and be in Baltimore in the morning. Leave leave b
I a like at the eleventh at night and getting
Baltimore at five am, you know. So you know, I
(10:29):
was like, man, you know, so I've flown a lot,
you know, But like you said, for the most fun people,
you know, the airline people, they're putty court this. I
really don't have no problem with them, but it's just
that the TSA and with the shoes because sometimes, you
know what I found out, sometimes they'll make you take
your shoes off of the line, and sometimes they won't,
you know, so I'll be like, man, I wish I
would just be consistent, you know, but uh, because but
(10:52):
other than that, yes, I think flying has gotten you know.
I first leave the year that been Lumbias got killed
nineteen eighty six. That was my first flying because I
remember he died just before this convention I was going
to in Tansas City.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Majority he died the day or the night after that.
He get drafted number one by the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yes, I remember it. Well, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Dan,
you know I enjoyed flying. But yeah, of course, let's see,
I'm the type of flyer like this, like I told
my brother, because he flies a lot too, because he
goes to a lot of spoiling, you know. But I
just say, I say a player, man, and I not
being able to see, I don't know what's going on anyway,
I'm like you. I've always heard that the plane makes
it makes a good takeoff on the good land, and
(11:35):
that's the most dangerous part of plying. Right there, once
you get in.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
My opinion, and we've seen that in the well, both
the Toronto case and in the Potomac case as well. William,
I'm so happy to hear your voice. My friend is
always well all right, and we're gonna watch those Orioles
this year. Okay, I think they oh.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, they do it a lot better.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
They do a lot better.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Thank you, thank you, great fur ten thirty, we're gonna
go from William, who's a great guy in Baltimore, to Laurie,
who's a great woman in Idaho. I'm so lucky to
have William and Laurie as regular listeners. Hey, Laurie, welcome back.
How are you.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
That sounds like a college I'm doing well. Happy moon Day,
Oh Moan Day.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You were the one that taught me that. And you
know something, I mentioned that to someone today. I was
talking to someone asked me how the day was gone.
I said, it's a typical Moan day. Yeah, I'll tell
you mondays, get me down, trust.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Me, Yeah exactly. So anyway, it's almost over.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So that's okay. No no, no, no, no, no, we're fine.
We're okay, We're okay. So are you you look forward
to flying or no?
Speaker 9 (12:48):
No, These days.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
No.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
I mean I've flown a lot and I've been on
the airplane since I was two years old, So I've
flown a lot and I.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Always loved it.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
I love to take off. I mean I did, but
I first of all become miserable and because of you know,
all the overcrowding of the planes for the most part.
But so when we had that disaster give me down
in Washington, I got to see, I've had I've been
on a lot of flights. I haven't had any anything
really bad. There's, like you said, there's have been interesting landings,
(13:16):
but I always find them kind of exciting. And I thought, wow,
I've been flying a lot and nothing's really happened. What
if I do? And so that I thought, you know,
the bad things coming three. So we had the one
and the two and I thought, all right, I'm not
going to fly for and then there were three. Then
there were four. So it hasn't really deterred me. But
I think I'll maybe be more careful about flying in winter.
(13:36):
And what airport I'm going to like, Not one that
shares the airspace with training helicopters.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well that was what's crazy. I mean, it's in the law.
You always talk about the concept of foreseeability in terms
of twenty cases injury cases. And you know, the example
that's always given is someone you know, breaks a bottle
of ketchup in Aisle five and it doesn't get cleaned up.
Was pretty foreseeable. Somebody could walk down and then slip
(14:03):
and slide and fall and hurt themselves. I think about you.
You got at night, you got helicopter pilots in the
same uh you know area. As as planes coming in,
it's just.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
Below that level. But well they're all supposed to stay
below the level. The other thing that that happened is
that would it get brought up occasionally. But that plane
at the last minute ish kind of took a different
route in. They took a different you know, approach to
a different runway. They took a shorter runway or a
closer runway for whatever reason, I don't know, and I
don't think the pilots of the helicopter necessarily got that information.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, they'll do this story. Well, it'll be a story,
uh you know, nine months from now next to Christmas,
and you'll hear about the cause of the accident and
it'll all be in our rearview Mira and it'll be Yeah.
My family said that for them, these people are gone gone.
I look back on air travel and I look at this,
(15:05):
and I'm thinking to myself, you know, it's great. If
you've got to fly from from the East coast to
the west coast, where do you fly out of an Idaho?
Do you got to go to Boise to get it?
To get an airplane? Anywhere? Where do you got to go?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Brocan?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
I can either go four and a half hours with Missoula,
which I hate Missoula. Bocan is half decent, and I'm
about an hour from Spokane.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Missoula is east of you, is it it?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's Montana, Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, Yes, that's where.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
But it's where Montana kind of jets out and gets
so if I wanted to, Because it depends on the flight,
it's not every flight, not every air perier flight. But
Bocan is actually pretty decent. And I've been in now
there a couple of times. But when I was back
and forth from New England to Montana, Midula was the place.
But from here it is Spokane, which is much more doable.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, okay, okay, Well Spokane of Missoula. It sounds like
Spokane to me.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
If oh yeah, for totally absolutely no. Misoela Air Force sucks.
So I got to thinking, you know, the p s
A checkpoints and all that, I'm gonna have to go
through the special Wandi place now, which.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Is gonna suck because of my hip.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
Actually, I mean they have those, they have those new
like star Trek X ray or kind of things. I
wonder if that that clears it now, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it's going to be simple for you. And
when they when you say, hey, you know, I got
some some some metal in me or whatever, you light
it up and they're gonna accept that.
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Well, so my dark croud my dad forever, and he
had replacement knees, so they pulled him aside. But at
least they just wanted everything. He didn't have to take
his shoes off, he didn't have to so empty his pockets.
But so, I don't know, maybe maybe they'll have magic
machines that catch it all in one.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Well, that's gonna be freaky, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But that's okay. Hopefully you hip feels better.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah, they feel great?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Thanks all right, Okay, thanks by f take quick break
here at the bottom of the ear. I get a
couple of lines at six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty. Got one line at six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. Kind of an easy Monday night here.
We're just talking about flying on airplanes. Most of us
have done it. If there's anyone else, well, I know
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someone who's very close to me who's never flown on
an airplane. I'm not going to out that person. But
there are people who I'm sure have made it a
life choice that they would never fly on an airplane. Okay,
I get it. But I'm wondering if some of this
state of airline crashes that we have sadly all witnessed
(17:40):
in the last I don't know, six weeks or so
five or maybe less than that four weeks, if that
has caused you to rethink how often you'll fly or
how far you fly. I haven't come to that conclusion yet,
but I'm sure some of you have. And if you
want to tell me a an airplane story, that's always welcome.
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As Homer Simpson would say, I love stories. Six one
seven The only line is six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty. Got one open there. If you're dialing
right now, we'll get you on. I promise six, one, seven, two,
ten thirty coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So we're talking about airplane travel and i'd love to
know you're feeling if you are feeling just a little
uncomfortable after these last two big plane crashes and some
small crashes in between. Let me go to Joan in
Rhode Island. Hi, Joan, welcome, How.
Speaker 11 (18:44):
Are you hi?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I'm Will.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Is this Joan who I know from Rhode Island? Or
have you called before?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'll call once before, several years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Okay, No, there's there's another Joan who was called in
from I think she was in Slovakia one time and California. Yeah, yeah, okay,
so go ahead, Joan.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I saw you at Logan Airport on January twenty third,
nineteen eighty two, at the end of the runway where
the plane plied into Boston Harbor. You came on board.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Did you see me on TV? Did you see me
there in person?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I saw you there in person. You came aboard the
bus that they loaded us onto. Because they didn't know
what to do this, they finally sent to bus and
from the people who got off the plane and you
came on board, and you were wanting to know what
was going on, but all of us passengers wanted to
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know what was going on too. And anyway, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Were on the World Airways flight that slid off the runway.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yes, World, they have flight thirty from Oakland and then
we stopped in Newark, Yes, and it was there was
an ice storm there, yes, And that's where people got
off and the Metcalf people got on.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And what do you think that that they basically went
into the Harvard drowned.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I get, I think so. I never, like you said,
they were never found that I heard of. They were
sitting in the from what I understand they were, you know,
they were happy to get on last minute. Well, some
people got off and they got in the front seats, well.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What we call the bulkhead seats.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Right, I'm not sure. I thought that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Got a lot of leg rooms.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Oh, yes, row behind the pilot and and the nose
of the plane broke off into the water, and and
that first row of seats went into the water from
and I think a couple of the stewardesses or attendants
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went in the water, but they were rescued and I
was in the middle of the plane on the left wing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I want to ask you a question. How soon did
after that did you fly again?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Within a couple of months. Yeah, I flew several times after.
I haven't flown in a few years now because I
don't like to drive.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
How much courage did you need that?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
No? Not none?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Really? Okay?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That well, that Harbor plane crash had taken place about
ten days earlier, with the plane and over the Potomac.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Hit the bridge.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, that that bridge, Yeah, fourteen. I couldn't remember this
Witch Street, but that has had happened. Yeah, but that
didn't stop me from going on my trip to be
my brother in Oakland. And it was on the way
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home that that my mishap happened. But I haven't flown
in a few years, mostly because I don't like having
to go to Boston and not a lot, not a
lot of flights from Providence Warwick go where I want
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to go.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right by the way. But you remember the name there
was the guy. Oh, his name was Lenny Scuttneck. He
was the guy who did who has saved some people's
lives on that flight. I worked for the federal government,
and he was just like walking home from.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Work that night in Washington or buston in Washington. In Washington, Oh, no,
I don't. I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
He was twenty eight. It said he was going home
on January thirteen with the boweling seven thirty seven hit
the bridge and fell into the Potomac. There were I
guess there was seventy seventy seventy four passages, and only
six of them survived. And I think he was involved
in pulling at least some of them out of the water.
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Joe and I enjoyed the call very much. I look
forward to the next time we chast Well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I listened to you all the time. I didn't turn
on till late later than usual tonight, but I heard
you talking about, Uh, my flight had.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
An experience that I shared a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
One one one lesson. One quick lesson I did learn
is to listen to the directions to not unfasten your
seatbelt as soon as the plane lands.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Uhcause you and it just skidded, it never.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Kept it kept right. It hit a pilot.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I believe did you know after it landed that you
that the plane was in trouble because it was.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Just yes, no, it wasn't going that fast. It just
kept going and going, and it was it was the
ice storm was still going on. And the one thing
know not to it slowed down. After you hit the
piling and then the wiley, the nose of the plane
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went into the water. It wasn't that deep. I got
I got off the opposite wing exit and walked down
the wings down to the with a shallow The water
was the most shallow. But the thing is, don't take
your seat belt off after they say leave it on.
Still it's a complete stop because at least one person
(25:33):
had taken off her seat belt and she flew over
the seats and I don't know if she broke her back,
and she badly hurt her back. So do follow that direction.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
All right? Thanks John, We'll talk soon. Thanks again, and
beat call more often. Thanks John, appreciate it. Let me
go to Jamie and Worcester. Jamie your next nightside. I
want to get you in here before the break, right ahead, Jamie.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Okay, I'll make you quick. I've only flowed three times
in my life, twice to Florida and wants to Spain.
When my brother was on an inter internship in Barcelona
and everything went fine.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
I have no problems, so.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
You know, I I just think that, you know, you
can't worry about it. You gotta go on the plane.
You gotta go on a kay whatever, it's gonna be
what it's gonna be. If you're gonna die, that's gonna
be the thing that that's gonna be a thing. You
can't control it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know, there's no question about that. So you're you're
a bit of a fatalist that that what what is
planned for you is gonna happen or not happen.
Speaker 10 (26:41):
Yeah, you just I just can't worry about it. I mean,
it's gonna do what I gotta do. If I have
to go to Florida, if I have to travel on
a plane, I do it, and whatever happens happens. And
the only thing I think of when you're talking about
this topic is John Madden. He even want to did
he not?
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Was he afraid of play?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah? Yeah? He Uh that's he didn't want to want
to fly. Now again, I assumed there were times when
he had to fly long you know, yeah, yeah, but
I think there was also his choice. Now he could
do that as a broadcaster. He couldn't do it as
a coach. I'm sure that he had to fly as
a coach, meaning if they played a game, let's say
(27:23):
against I don't know, you know, an East Coast team
that the Jets are the Patriots, and they were home
the next Sunday in Oakland. Uh. Yeah, you know, you
can't spend four days driving across the country in a
bus if you're the coach. He was able to do that. Yeah,
as a broadcaster. There was a Red Sox player. Uh,
(27:44):
probably you don't remember. He was a very good right fielder.
His name was Jackie Jensen and he actually he had
played in the Rose Bowl. He was a kind of
a double threat athlete. He was a great football player
and and and played for the Red Sox and was
a really good player at a time when the Red
Sox didn't have a lot of really good players. And
(28:07):
in those days, all of the American League teams were
grouped in the northeast Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, and New York.
The Red Sox, the Senators, I think the furthest west
they ever they went was Kansas City. And he was
fine because they did all travel by trains. But once
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the American League expanded and you had a team in
Minnesota and then Los Angeles, the Angels and the Twins,
and he knew it'd have to fly. He ended his
base major league baseball career just didn't want to fly.
As Casey Stinger would say, you can look it up.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
Just one more thing.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
I know.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Lebron James's son doesn't like to travel and that's why
the ge League he only plays the home games.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, I thought you were going to make a a
basketball joke that he doesn't like to travel and that's
that's why he passes so much. Yeah, no, I got it. Okay,
I think radio too.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
A kid doesn't want to go, you know, you want
to play the NBA and he doesn't want to travel
on a plane.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
That's come on, That's all they do is travel on
planes because they're playing on a Tuesday night in LA
and they're playing in Philadelphia on Thursday. Look at I'm
I still marvel at how many planes the major league
teams take, particularly the teams that fly in winter hockey
and in basketball that they get some bad weather. There
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was a plane crash in Russia a few years ago
when one of what you know, they have a professional
hockey league over there called the Continental Hockey League, And
it was a plane crash that I think it took
the life of a guy that had played for the Bruins.
I'm gonna look it up real quickly here who at
that point was a coach And you know, you do
(30:01):
all of these fights in the National Hockey League, and
he didn't ever have a problem. And let me see
if I got the right guy here. Maybe I don't,
do I have it the right guy here? Yeah, he
(30:26):
died in a plane crash in September of twenty eleven,
and a team plane crash, that's what happened to him. Yeah,
he was killed. His name was Brad McKinnon, mccrimmin, McCrimmon.
He was a good defense He left the NHL to
become the head coach of the Locomotive Yaroslav of the
(30:50):
Continental Hockey League in twenty eleven. He never coached a
regular season game, however, as he was killed along with
most of his team after they plane crashed and route
to their first game. So interesting. Thanks Jamie, appreciate you call.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Have a great one, Thank you. Yeah, I have a
good one.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Night. All right, Okay, I got Bill and Ubrin and
I got kind of a slow last hour here, folks,
So uh, if you want to join in, I'll get
you on Between now and midnight six one seven, two
five four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. We are talking about plane travel and
(31:28):
whether or not the most recent spate of plane problems
are causing you to rethink whether or not you want
to get on an airplane as often as you have
in the past, or whether or not you even want
to consider flying again. We'll be back on Nightside right
after this.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
All right, let's keep rolling here, gonna go to Bill
and Wilburn. Bill, your next on Nightside. Appreciate your call.
Gor ahead, Bill, the first time caller, Dan, All right,
let's get a round of applause. Well, I don't know
if you're gonna get a round of applause for me.
We have a new producer tonight, so I don't know
if he knows where the applause button is, So go.
Speaker 11 (32:13):
Right AA Bill, all right.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
When Glenn Foley's father was playing quarterback for the Boston
College Eagles. We flew down to Tennessee, but we had
to make a good connection in Washington to get to Knoxville.
We went to Kennedy's grave and we did make the connection.
So anyway, getting back to my story. After the game,
(32:36):
we go over the bus. Jim Whalen was playing for BC.
In fact, remember Jim Whalen, all right, So anyway, Bill Flints.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Whalen wasn't playing when Glenn Foley was playing.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
No Ed Foley Glenn Foley's father.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh great, okay, yeah.
Speaker 11 (32:56):
Ed Foley is he played two years quarterback for Boston College. Anyway,
after the game, say lo BC loss. Steve DeLong was
playing for Tennessee. So anyway, we go over to the
bus and Bill Flint says, get on the bus with
the team, saving caffee, going back to the airport. So
we got we got on the bus with it. You
(33:18):
don't do that now, but he gave put us on
the bus with the team go back to the airport,
and then we flew back to what we have to
regroup and go back to Boston. So that was a
pretty good story.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's a good memory, that's a good that's flying first
class even though you were on a plane when you
were first class. I like that.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
Oh I know, fact is, I thought it was open lines.
I had a litany of things to tell you about
open lines, but I got that story about planes anyway.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, i'll tell you what I'll do open line some
point in the next couple of weeks, and you keep
listening and we'll get you in.
Speaker 11 (33:51):
Okay, ok I got a good lot of things to
tell you. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Boy. Thank you, Okay, I'll look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you, Thank you. Out to you, my friend. Good night.
We're i gonna go next. I've got to Koreeene in
Corren Krene in Bridgewater.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hi, Koreen, how are you good? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you very much for calling in your take on
we're talking about planes here tonight and sad stories about
planes go right.
Speaker 12 (34:18):
Ahead, exactly. Well, I have the fortunes to say I've
traveled a lot and outside of turbulence, you know, nothing's
ever really faced me about planes until you know, as
of recent and only because my son, who was in
the Air Force, got his pilot's license and now he's
furthering it. For commercial and I got to tell you,
(34:40):
as a mother, I'm a little concerned. I'm like, who's like,
does anybody have.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
A grip on?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Like?
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Is everybody like where they should be? Are there are
enough mechanics? Are there are enough airline controllers?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know?
Speaker 12 (34:54):
And that's that's what's really got me thinking about planes now,
where before I was just I love the idea, but
matter of fact, I always wanted to be a students.
But I just have that concern now. And I don't
know whether it's just brought to our attention more by
media of everything that's going around in the world and
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everybody's coming to terms with.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I think there's a little bit of that. But I
also think that the twenty four hour news cycle, when
there's a big plane crash, it's there. I mean in
the old days, it was on you know, the nightly
evening news or something for you know, a minute or
two minutes. Now it's replayed. How many times have you
seen that plane sliding and exploding in Toronto? I mean,
(35:40):
they get that video, it's like on a loop, kept replaying.
So that's why I think that people are going to
have probably at the you know the end of the
day two munchs people forget about it and they'll be
back up to seventy percent. But there was a drop
in the percentage of people who feel that planes are
either safe or somewhat safe. It went from seventy one
cent to sixty four percent. That's a big drop.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
There is, and there's gotta be there's gotta be more
behind it.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I just hope they get a grip on it film because.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, we went several years without a big plane crash
in America. Uh, the last one before the Potomac was
up in Buffalo. I think it was twenty ten, So
that was a long time without a major plane crash,
but more than many.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Right, which is which is very secure in hearing. But
it's as of recent where there's too many of them happening.
You just wonder like it's something glitching in their you know,
their mechanicalism or yeah, I don't know. I hope think that.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think the one in Toronto was understandable, and I
think the one in Potomac was just a dumb mistake.
They shouldn't have had army helicopter and army helicopter in
that airspace. Karina, I want to get one more and
thanks so much for calling you.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Have a good night, you too. Okay, Kurt Middleborough, Kurt,
you're gonna wrap it for us tonight. Your thoughts go
right ahead, Kurt.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Yes, this is Kurt.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, sir, you're in the air.
Speaker 12 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I heard a couple of accounts of the plane going
in the water in Boston.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah. One of them said that it was nineteen eighty four,
but I think it was eighty two.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It was eighty two. Yeah, I corrected. The woman said
it was eighty four, and it was January twenty third,
nineteen eighty two. I looked it up. I thought of
being a little earlier than that, but I looked it
up to be sure. It was nineteen eighty two. Yeah,
it's been a while over.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
My older sister was coming home from Moscow that night.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Really, she had.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Been studying the semester at the University of Moscow, and
he came to California first and then was supposed to
get a connecting flight, but something didn't work out, and
when the plane went in the water, the rest of
my family fought that she had died.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But was she on that flight.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
She was supposed to be honest.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, gotcha? Okay, Well, thank god she wasn't. Thank god
she got onto a different flight and got home safe
and safe and sound flight. All right. Great, hey, Kurt, thanks,
I got you in none of the wire, but I'm
flat out of time, so i gotta let you run.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
Okay, I understand you. Have a good night.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You two. Appreciate your call and call again. All right,
We're done for this night. As we move on, I
want to thank Mike Templeton, who was our producer tonight
in Rob's absence. Great job, Mike, Thank you very much.
One of your first shows here on Nightside, hopefully the
first of many. Rob maybe back tomorrow night. If not,
Mike will be here. I'll be here tomorrow night. Marita
(38:39):
will be here tomorrow during the day, and I'll end.
There's always all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's my pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's all Your pets are pasted. They loved
you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
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a couple of minutes
It's nice eyes Danny Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're talking about plane crashes here tonight and trying to
find out if recent crashes. Obviously one in Washington, we
took sixty seven lives, one in Toronto in which eighty
people were bored. Thankfully none of them died and barely
none in you know, critical injury. It's amazing that anybody
walked away from that flight. Has that changed your attitude
(00:29):
towards flying? Has it made you less likely? I know
that there's a certain number of people out there who
refuse to fly. I get it. I get it. It's
an uncomfortable feeling if you're not if you think, oh
my god, I'm up in the air here, I've lost
I don't have any control driving a car. You're in
control on a train. Although people die and train crashes,
(00:52):
most people think, well, the trains are going to run
off the tracks. I mean, I'm going to be okay,
although they sometimes do. But planes are a different story.
Most of the time. There are a few survivors, if any.
The Toronto crash was just the opposite. So I want
to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or six seven nine three, one, ten thirty.
(01:14):
We've been pretty lucky in this country. I think the
last big plane crash we had was a plane crash
in Buffalo, New York, in twenty ten. So we went
about fifteen years or so without a bad plane crash,
and then we had the plane crash on the Potomac,
which was reminiscent of a plane crash back in the
nineteen eighties of the Potomac. Let's get to the calls.
(01:35):
I'd like to hear from as many of you as possible.
Let me go to Dawn in New Hampshire. Was kind
enough to hold through the news. Dawn. I appreciate your patience.
We lost a couple of callers during the newscast. You're
next on night side, any of you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good evening, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's better. I don't know what you did to your phone,
but you sound great. Now, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I turned off the radio of my truck here and
just put it on speaker. I have not changed my
attitude about flying. I have flown for business at times
three and four times a week, maybe not too long,
a lot of Boston to New York, Boston to Washington,
(02:19):
quite a bit. I've flown I've shown a flown to
New Zealand about a year ago, and I've gone. I've
flown to Europe a couple of times, So we're not
really afraid of anything about that. I think the planes
are are very safe. My wife and I are big
fans of a program called Air Disasters on the Smithsonian Channel,
(02:39):
which we've got to learn a lot about what it
takes to go and it does not scare us from
watching it. Really, it's it's more like, wow, look at this.
And when you watch the programs, you see that a
lot of the issues that have fallen about the plane
crashes were frequently overseas, not too much here in the US.
(03:02):
And I think in generally you're a lot safer in
the air than you are on the ground. Are certainly
a lot safer than going through a tunnel in Boston.
You never know when the top might fall on you.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I saw that video the other day and that
was reminiscent of the tiles that fell back in I
guess it was when Mitt Romney was governor in the
Tip O'Neil tunnel. Yeah, you just never know. I mean
there were amazingly no one hurt. The other day I
think that the statistics still show that in terms of
(03:35):
passenger miles, the numbers of miles people on airplanes fly,
it's statistically safer to be on an airplane than it
is to be in a car. But I think all
of us are a heck of a lot more used
to being in an automobile, and we feel we're under
We control the car, we don't control the plane.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But anyway, I kind of doubt the whole thing on
the pilots after COVID shot.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know no idea what we're going to do with that.
I hate to challenge people, but you know again, I
just as soon as you're saying to me, oh, you know,
the media keeps it undercovered. The media is still competitive,
and if there's a story, it just that is, you
know it. Does the media have a certain political biases,
(04:24):
Absolutely absolutely, But a story is a story, and.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, it's just it's exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I don't get it. I don't get it. A major
story they're going to cover up. I don't think so.
But that's neither here nor there. But it was good
news that he told me that we wore a certain
sort of suit cloth suit so in case there's a
fire on the plane, he'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah. They also should not wear flip flops or cross
they should be wearing ready to do anyway, thank you
very much for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You're welcome. Don talk to you soon. Okay, thanks very much.
I got to take a quick break. I got two
of my favorite callers coming up, William in Baltimore, Laurie
and Idaho, and I got room for some new callers here,
folks six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. If
you never called nightside, I invite you to join the conversation.
(05:24):
Are you still somebody who is who looks forward to flying?
I don't to be honest with you. I remember when
I was working as a TV reporter, I had either
a record player or tape deck back in the day.
That'll date me and I used to love playing the
Willie Nelson song on the road again. I remember one
(05:44):
Friday they called me and said, hey, got Germany the hostages.
There's there's new hostages going. Hostage families going over some
of the marine people who are killed at the Bay
Root bomb blast. There were like two hundred and forty
three Marines and there were some survivors, including one young
(06:05):
man from Massachusetts, and we went over and met him
and his family there and literally flew on Friday Friday
night from Boston and Frankfort. We had to fly to
London on Saturday morning so we could edit, and then
back to Frankfort to get home on Sunday. We you know,
(06:25):
we did like nine thousand miles and I think forty
five hours and filed reports on two days. But that
was that was challenging. It was fun. Fine, isn't fun anymore.
But I just putting data aside, putting the fact that
it is too crowded and the seats are too small
and there's not enough room for not enough leg room,
(06:46):
and the baggage bins are too small, and they've crowded
too many people in there is more importantly, have the
plane crashes and the near problems of the last few days.
We had one out of Atlanta today smoking the cockpit.
You're in a car, you're smoking the plane, I should say,
just not in the cockpit. And I saw that video tonight.
(07:08):
That was that was a nasty situation that those people
had to tolerate as they they went back to Atlanta. Okay,
we got six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty
one line there and six one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We're coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now back to Dan Ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
One of my best callers, my friend William from Baltimore
or William? Welcome? How are you sir?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
All right?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Now you're going, Darren and talk to you for a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, that's right, right, that's all right. Glad to hear
your voice tonight. So I know that that you have
told me in the past you were blind, but but
you have traveled by air. How are you feeling about
it these days?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, then I'll tell you what. I'll fly, right, and
I'm going to fly in July going to a convention
for the Blurn in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I went there a year before last on Southwestern Direct.
Like last year I went to Chicago, and the year
before that I went to UH act him and uh,
you know, I fly. I'm gonna tell you I agree
with the guy as far as uh. I think it's
a hassle. You're gonna go into ts A and uh
(08:27):
and you know when you gotta take your set off
and you know, one time a guy they're gonna they
go search the guide. Now he wants to play and
all that. You know, Yeah, yeah, a hassle man.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
But other than that, once again, would seemed to me
that if I was a T S A guy, a person,
I'd be a little more respectful of you than the
average fire Do you feel like that, you get that
you that you're.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Respected as someone who's who's you know, dealing with the disability.
And I say this on I kind of imagine how
difficult your life might be, your life must be if
I lost, if I were to have lost my vision.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
So they are, yeah, some of them are nice, and
some of them, you know on the spire them you know,
some of them, you know, they're just a by the boat.
But one thing I am about all the airlines, Uh they
let through pre board. So I like that, you know,
But I was remna use talking last week. I'm gonna
tell you what I hate. When the plane lands and
they tell everybody to say seated and tell the plane
(09:32):
gets city gate and remember you say, people stand up
and uh, you know they're taking things out the bens
And I'm gonna talk. I'm six foot three, so I
always like to sit on the aisle you know. When
I had my dog, though, I used to sit in
the middle because I had to put him up under
the seat and then people want to pet him and
bother him and all.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
That, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And I used to say, please leave it out alone.
He's working, you know. But people will hit you with
bags and everything. And as far as like driving, look,
I lived in Denver, I lived in Baltimore. So I
had this white idea. I was gonna take a boyhound
to Denver.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I was on that busck for forty eight hours when
and uh that that broke me out. O that brooke
me out. That I was playing two hundred dollars and
I found out that uh, punt Tier will fly me
home for one hundred and ninety round trip, you know,
and I have to take the Red Eye, you know,
and be in Baltimore in the morning. Leave leave b
I a like at the eleventh at night and getting
Baltimore at five am, you know. So you know, I
(10:29):
was like, man, you know, so I've flown a lot,
you know, But like you said, for the most fun people,
you know, the airline people, they're putty court this. I
really don't have no problem with them, but it's just
that the TSA and with the shoes because sometimes, you
know what I found out, sometimes they'll make you take
your shoes off of the line, and sometimes they won't,
you know, so I'll be like, man, I wish I
would just be consistent, you know, but uh, because but
(10:52):
other than that, yes, I think flying has gotten you know.
I first leave the year that been Lumbias got killed
nineteen eighty six. That was my first flying because I
remember he died just before this convention I was going
to in Tansas City.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Majority he died the day or the night after that.
He get drafted number one by the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yes, I remember it. Well, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Dan,
you know I enjoyed flying. But yeah, of course, let's see,
I'm the type of flyer like this, like I told
my brother, because he flies a lot too, because he
goes to a lot of spoiling, you know. But I
just say, I say a player, man, and I not
being able to see, I don't know what's going on anyway,
I'm like you. I've always heard that the plane makes
it makes a good takeoff on the good land, and
(11:35):
that's the most dangerous part of plying. Right there, once
you get in.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
My opinion, and we've seen that in the well, both
the Toronto case and in the Potomac case as well. William,
I'm so happy to hear your voice. My friend is
always well all right, and we're gonna watch those Orioles
this year. Okay, I think they oh.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, they do it a lot better.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
They do a lot better.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Thank you, thank you, great fur ten thirty, we're gonna
go from William, who's a great guy in Baltimore, to Laurie,
who's a great woman in Idaho. I'm so lucky to
have William and Laurie as regular listeners. Hey, Laurie, welcome back.
How are you.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
That sounds like a college I'm doing well. Happy moon Day,
Oh Moan Day.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You were the one that taught me that. And you
know something, I mentioned that to someone today. I was
talking to someone asked me how the day was gone.
I said, it's a typical Moan day. Yeah, I'll tell
you mondays, get me down, trust.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Me, Yeah exactly. So anyway, it's almost over.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So that's okay. No no, no, no, no, no, we're fine.
We're okay, We're okay. So are you you look forward
to flying or no?
Speaker 9 (12:48):
No, These days.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
No.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
I mean I've flown a lot and I've been on
the airplane since I was two years old, So I've
flown a lot and I.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Always loved it.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
I love to take off. I mean I did, but
I first of all become miserable and because of you know,
all the overcrowding of the planes for the most part.
But so when we had that disaster give me down
in Washington, I got to see, I've had I've been
on a lot of flights. I haven't had any anything
really bad. There's, like you said, there's have been interesting landings,
(13:16):
but I always find them kind of exciting. And I thought, wow,
I've been flying a lot and nothing's really happened. What
if I do? And so that I thought, you know,
the bad things coming three. So we had the one
and the two and I thought, all right, I'm not
going to fly for and then there were three. Then
there were four. So it hasn't really deterred me. But
I think I'll maybe be more careful about flying in winter.
(13:36):
And what airport I'm going to like, Not one that
shares the airspace with training helicopters.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well that was what's crazy. I mean, it's in the law.
You always talk about the concept of foreseeability in terms
of twenty cases injury cases. And you know, the example
that's always given is someone you know, breaks a bottle
of ketchup in Aisle five and it doesn't get cleaned up.
Was pretty foreseeable. Somebody could walk down and then slip
(14:03):
and slide and fall and hurt themselves. I think about you.
You got at night, you got helicopter pilots in the
same uh you know area. As as planes coming in,
it's just.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
Below that level. But well they're all supposed to stay
below the level. The other thing that that happened is
that would it get brought up occasionally. But that plane
at the last minute ish kind of took a different
route in. They took a different you know, approach to
a different runway. They took a shorter runway or a
closer runway for whatever reason, I don't know, and I
don't think the pilots of the helicopter necessarily got that information.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, they'll do this story. Well, it'll be a story,
uh you know, nine months from now next to Christmas,
and you'll hear about the cause of the accident and
it'll all be in our rearview Mira and it'll be Yeah.
My family said that for them, these people are gone gone.
I look back on air travel and I look at this,
(15:05):
and I'm thinking to myself, you know, it's great. If
you've got to fly from from the East coast to
the west coast, where do you fly out of an Idaho?
Do you got to go to Boise to get it?
To get an airplane? Anywhere? Where do you got to go?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Brocan?
Speaker 9 (15:19):
I can either go four and a half hours with Missoula,
which I hate Missoula. Bocan is half decent, and I'm
about an hour from Spokane.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Missoula is east of you, is it it?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's Montana, Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, Yes, that's where.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
But it's where Montana kind of jets out and gets
so if I wanted to, Because it depends on the flight,
it's not every flight, not every air perier flight. But
Bocan is actually pretty decent. And I've been in now
there a couple of times. But when I was back
and forth from New England to Montana, Midula was the place.
But from here it is Spokane, which is much more doable.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, okay, okay, Well Spokane of Missoula. It sounds like
Spokane to me.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
If oh yeah, for totally absolutely no. Misoela Air Force sucks.
So I got to thinking, you know, the p s
A checkpoints and all that, I'm gonna have to go
through the special Wandi place now, which.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Is gonna suck because of my hip.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
Actually, I mean they have those, they have those new
like star Trek X ray or kind of things. I
wonder if that that clears it now, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it's going to be simple for you. And
when they when you say, hey, you know, I got
some some some metal in me or whatever, you light
it up and they're gonna accept that.
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Well, so my dark croud my dad forever, and he
had replacement knees, so they pulled him aside. But at
least they just wanted everything. He didn't have to take
his shoes off, he didn't have to so empty his pockets.
But so, I don't know, maybe maybe they'll have magic
machines that catch it all in one.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Well, that's gonna be freaky, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But that's okay. Hopefully you hip feels better.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Yeah, they feel great?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Thanks all right, Okay, thanks by f take quick break
here at the bottom of the ear. I get a
couple of lines at six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty. Got one line at six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. Kind of an easy Monday night here.
We're just talking about flying on airplanes. Most of us
have done it. If there's anyone else, well, I know
(17:20):
someone who's very close to me who's never flown on
an airplane. I'm not going to out that person. But
there are people who I'm sure have made it a
life choice that they would never fly on an airplane. Okay,
I get it. But I'm wondering if some of this
state of airline crashes that we have sadly all witnessed
(17:40):
in the last I don't know, six weeks or so
five or maybe less than that four weeks, if that
has caused you to rethink how often you'll fly or
how far you fly. I haven't come to that conclusion yet,
but I'm sure some of you have. And if you
want to tell me a an airplane story, that's always welcome.
(18:03):
As Homer Simpson would say, I love stories. Six one
seven The only line is six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty. Got one open there. If you're dialing
right now, we'll get you on. I promise six, one, seven, two,
ten thirty coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So we're talking about airplane travel and i'd love to
know you're feeling if you are feeling just a little
uncomfortable after these last two big plane crashes and some
small crashes in between. Let me go to Joan in
Rhode Island. Hi, Joan, welcome, How.
Speaker 11 (18:44):
Are you hi?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I'm Will.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Is this Joan who I know from Rhode Island? Or
have you called before?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'll call once before, several years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Okay, No, there's there's another Joan who was called in
from I think she was in Slovakia one time and California. Yeah, yeah, okay,
so go ahead, Joan.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I saw you at Logan Airport on January twenty third,
nineteen eighty two, at the end of the runway where
the plane plied into Boston Harbor. You came on board.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Did you see me on TV? Did you see me
there in person?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I saw you there in person. You came aboard the
bus that they loaded us onto. Because they didn't know
what to do this, they finally sent to bus and
from the people who got off the plane and you
came on board, and you were wanting to know what
was going on, but all of us passengers wanted to
(19:54):
know what was going on too. And anyway, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Were on the World Airways flight that slid off the runway.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yes, World, they have flight thirty from Oakland and then
we stopped in Newark, Yes, and it was there was
an ice storm there, yes, And that's where people got
off and the Metcalf people got on.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And what do you think that that they basically went
into the Harvard drowned.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I get, I think so. I never, like you said,
they were never found that I heard of. They were
sitting in the from what I understand they were, you know,
they were happy to get on last minute. Well, some
people got off and they got in the front seats, well.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What we call the bulkhead seats.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Right, I'm not sure. I thought that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Got a lot of leg rooms.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Oh, yes, row behind the pilot and and the nose
of the plane broke off into the water, and and
that first row of seats went into the water from
and I think a couple of the stewardesses or attendants
(21:26):
went in the water, but they were rescued and I
was in the middle of the plane on the left wing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I want to ask you a question. How soon did
after that did you fly again?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Within a couple of months. Yeah, I flew several times after.
I haven't flown in a few years now because I
don't like to drive.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
How much courage did you need that?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
No? Not none?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Really? Okay?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That well, that Harbor plane crash had taken place about
ten days earlier, with the plane and over the Potomac.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Hit the bridge.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, that that bridge, Yeah, fourteen. I couldn't remember this
Witch Street, but that has had happened. Yeah, but that
didn't stop me from going on my trip to be
my brother in Oakland. And it was on the way
(22:39):
home that that my mishap happened. But I haven't flown
in a few years, mostly because I don't like having
to go to Boston and not a lot, not a
lot of flights from Providence Warwick go where I want
(23:02):
to go.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right by the way. But you remember the name there
was the guy. Oh, his name was Lenny Scuttneck. He
was the guy who did who has saved some people's
lives on that flight. I worked for the federal government,
and he was just like walking home from.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Work that night in Washington or buston in Washington. In Washington, Oh, no,
I don't. I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
He was twenty eight. It said he was going home
on January thirteen with the boweling seven thirty seven hit
the bridge and fell into the Potomac. There were I
guess there was seventy seventy seventy four passages, and only
six of them survived. And I think he was involved
in pulling at least some of them out of the water.
(23:56):
Joe and I enjoyed the call very much. I look
forward to the next time we chast Well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I listened to you all the time. I didn't turn
on till late later than usual tonight, but I heard
you talking about, Uh, my flight had.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
An experience that I shared a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
One one one lesson. One quick lesson I did learn
is to listen to the directions to not unfasten your
seatbelt as soon as the plane lands.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Uhcause you and it just skidded, it never.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Kept it kept right. It hit a pilot.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I believe did you know after it landed that you
that the plane was in trouble because it was.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Just yes, no, it wasn't going that fast. It just
kept going and going, and it was it was the
ice storm was still going on. And the one thing
know not to it slowed down. After you hit the
piling and then the wiley, the nose of the plane
(25:10):
went into the water. It wasn't that deep. I got
I got off the opposite wing exit and walked down
the wings down to the with a shallow The water
was the most shallow. But the thing is, don't take
your seat belt off after they say leave it on.
Still it's a complete stop because at least one person
(25:33):
had taken off her seat belt and she flew over
the seats and I don't know if she broke her back,
and she badly hurt her back. So do follow that direction.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
All right? Thanks John, We'll talk soon. Thanks again, and
beat call more often. Thanks John, appreciate it. Let me
go to Jamie and Worcester. Jamie your next nightside. I
want to get you in here before the break, right ahead, Jamie.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Okay, I'll make you quick. I've only flowed three times
in my life, twice to Florida and wants to Spain.
When my brother was on an inter internship in Barcelona
and everything went fine.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
I have no problems, so.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
You know, I I just think that, you know, you
can't worry about it. You gotta go on the plane.
You gotta go on a kay whatever, it's gonna be
what it's gonna be. If you're gonna die, that's gonna
be the thing that that's gonna be a thing. You
can't control it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know, there's no question about that. So you're you're
a bit of a fatalist that that what what is
planned for you is gonna happen or not happen.
Speaker 10 (26:41):
Yeah, you just I just can't worry about it. I mean,
it's gonna do what I gotta do. If I have
to go to Florida, if I have to travel on
a plane, I do it, and whatever happens happens. And
the only thing I think of when you're talking about
this topic is John Madden. He even want to did
he not?
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Was he afraid of play?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah? Yeah? He Uh that's he didn't want to want
to fly. Now again, I assumed there were times when
he had to fly long you know, yeah, yeah, but
I think there was also his choice. Now he could
do that as a broadcaster. He couldn't do it as
a coach. I'm sure that he had to fly as
a coach, meaning if they played a game, let's say
(27:23):
against I don't know, you know, an East Coast team
that the Jets are the Patriots, and they were home
the next Sunday in Oakland. Uh. Yeah, you know, you
can't spend four days driving across the country in a
bus if you're the coach. He was able to do that. Yeah,
as a broadcaster. There was a Red Sox player. Uh,
(27:44):
probably you don't remember. He was a very good right fielder.
His name was Jackie Jensen and he actually he had
played in the Rose Bowl. He was a kind of
a double threat athlete. He was a great football player
and and and played for the Red Sox and was
a really good player at a time when the Red
Sox didn't have a lot of really good players. And
(28:07):
in those days, all of the American League teams were
grouped in the northeast Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore, and New York.
The Red Sox, the Senators, I think the furthest west
they ever they went was Kansas City. And he was
fine because they did all travel by trains. But once
(28:30):
the American League expanded and you had a team in
Minnesota and then Los Angeles, the Angels and the Twins,
and he knew it'd have to fly. He ended his
base major league baseball career just didn't want to fly.
As Casey Stinger would say, you can look it up.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
Just one more thing.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
I know.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Lebron James's son doesn't like to travel and that's why
the ge League he only plays the home games.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, I thought you were going to make a a
basketball joke that he doesn't like to travel and that's
that's why he passes so much. Yeah, no, I got it. Okay,
I think radio too.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
A kid doesn't want to go, you know, you want
to play the NBA and he doesn't want to travel
on a plane.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
That's come on, That's all they do is travel on
planes because they're playing on a Tuesday night in LA
and they're playing in Philadelphia on Thursday. Look at I'm
I still marvel at how many planes the major league
teams take, particularly the teams that fly in winter hockey
and in basketball that they get some bad weather. There
(29:40):
was a plane crash in Russia a few years ago
when one of what you know, they have a professional
hockey league over there called the Continental Hockey League, And
it was a plane crash that I think it took
the life of a guy that had played for the Bruins.
I'm gonna look it up real quickly here who at
that point was a coach And you know, you do
(30:01):
all of these fights in the National Hockey League, and
he didn't ever have a problem. And let me see
if I got the right guy here. Maybe I don't,
do I have it the right guy here? Yeah, he
(30:26):
died in a plane crash in September of twenty eleven,
and a team plane crash, that's what happened to him. Yeah,
he was killed. His name was Brad McKinnon, mccrimmin, McCrimmon.
He was a good defense He left the NHL to
become the head coach of the Locomotive Yaroslav of the
(30:50):
Continental Hockey League in twenty eleven. He never coached a
regular season game, however, as he was killed along with
most of his team after they plane crashed and route
to their first game. So interesting. Thanks Jamie, appreciate you call.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Have a great one, Thank you. Yeah, I have a
good one.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Night. All right, Okay, I got Bill and Ubrin and
I got kind of a slow last hour here, folks,
So uh, if you want to join in, I'll get
you on Between now and midnight six one seven, two
five four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. We are talking about plane travel and
(31:28):
whether or not the most recent spate of plane problems
are causing you to rethink whether or not you want
to get on an airplane as often as you have
in the past, or whether or not you even want
to consider flying again. We'll be back on Nightside right
after this.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
All right, let's keep rolling here, gonna go to Bill
and Wilburn. Bill, your next on Nightside. Appreciate your call.
Gor ahead, Bill, the first time caller, Dan, All right,
let's get a round of applause. Well, I don't know
if you're gonna get a round of applause for me.
We have a new producer tonight, so I don't know
if he knows where the applause button is, So go.
Speaker 11 (32:13):
Right AA Bill, all right.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (32:16):
When Glenn Foley's father was playing quarterback for the Boston
College Eagles. We flew down to Tennessee, but we had
to make a good connection in Washington to get to Knoxville.
We went to Kennedy's grave and we did make the connection.
So anyway, getting back to my story. After the game,
(32:36):
we go over the bus. Jim Whalen was playing for BC.
In fact, remember Jim Whalen, all right, So anyway, Bill Flints.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Whalen wasn't playing when Glenn Foley was playing.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
No Ed Foley Glenn Foley's father.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh great, okay, yeah.
Speaker 11 (32:56):
Ed Foley is he played two years quarterback for Boston College. Anyway,
after the game, say lo BC loss. Steve DeLong was
playing for Tennessee. So anyway, we go over to the
bus and Bill Flint says, get on the bus with
the team, saving caffee, going back to the airport. So
we got we got on the bus with it. You
(33:18):
don't do that now, but he gave put us on
the bus with the team go back to the airport,
and then we flew back to what we have to
regroup and go back to Boston. So that was a
pretty good story.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's a good memory, that's a good that's flying first
class even though you were on a plane when you
were first class. I like that.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
Oh I know, fact is, I thought it was open lines.
I had a litany of things to tell you about
open lines, but I got that story about planes anyway.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, i'll tell you what I'll do open line some
point in the next couple of weeks, and you keep
listening and we'll get you in.
Speaker 11 (33:51):
Okay, ok I got a good lot of things to
tell you. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Boy. Thank you, Okay, I'll look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you, Thank you. Out to you, my friend. Good night.
We're i gonna go next. I've got to Koreeene in
Corren Krene in Bridgewater.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hi, Koreen, how are you good? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you very much for calling in your take on
we're talking about planes here tonight and sad stories about
planes go right.
Speaker 12 (34:18):
Ahead, exactly. Well, I have the fortunes to say I've
traveled a lot and outside of turbulence, you know, nothing's
ever really faced me about planes until you know, as
of recent and only because my son, who was in
the Air Force, got his pilot's license and now he's
furthering it. For commercial and I got to tell you,
(34:40):
as a mother, I'm a little concerned. I'm like, who's like,
does anybody have.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
A grip on?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Like?
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Is everybody like where they should be? Are there are
enough mechanics? Are there are enough airline controllers?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know?
Speaker 12 (34:54):
And that's that's what's really got me thinking about planes now,
where before I was just I love the idea, but
matter of fact, I always wanted to be a students.
But I just have that concern now. And I don't
know whether it's just brought to our attention more by
media of everything that's going around in the world and
(35:15):
everybody's coming to terms with.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I think there's a little bit of that. But I
also think that the twenty four hour news cycle, when
there's a big plane crash, it's there. I mean in
the old days, it was on you know, the nightly
evening news or something for you know, a minute or
two minutes. Now it's replayed. How many times have you
seen that plane sliding and exploding in Toronto? I mean,
(35:40):
they get that video, it's like on a loop, kept replaying.
So that's why I think that people are going to
have probably at the you know the end of the
day two munchs people forget about it and they'll be
back up to seventy percent. But there was a drop
in the percentage of people who feel that planes are
either safe or somewhat safe. It went from seventy one
cent to sixty four percent. That's a big drop.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
There is, and there's gotta be there's gotta be more
behind it.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I just hope they get a grip on it film because.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well, we went several years without a big plane crash
in America. Uh, the last one before the Potomac was
up in Buffalo. I think it was twenty ten, So
that was a long time without a major plane crash,
but more than many.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Right, which is which is very secure in hearing. But
it's as of recent where there's too many of them happening.
You just wonder like it's something glitching in their you know,
their mechanicalism or yeah, I don't know. I hope think that.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think the one in Toronto was understandable, and I
think the one in Potomac was just a dumb mistake.
They shouldn't have had army helicopter and army helicopter in
that airspace. Karina, I want to get one more and
thanks so much for calling you.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Have a good night, you too. Okay, Kurt Middleborough, Kurt,
you're gonna wrap it for us tonight. Your thoughts go
right ahead, Kurt.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Yes, this is Kurt.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, sir, you're in the air.
Speaker 12 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I heard a couple of accounts of the plane going
in the water in Boston.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah. One of them said that it was nineteen eighty four,
but I think it was eighty two.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
It was eighty two. Yeah, I corrected. The woman said
it was eighty four, and it was January twenty third,
nineteen eighty two. I looked it up. I thought of
being a little earlier than that, but I looked it
up to be sure. It was nineteen eighty two. Yeah,
it's been a while over.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
My older sister was coming home from Moscow that night.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Really, she had.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Been studying the semester at the University of Moscow, and
he came to California first and then was supposed to
get a connecting flight, but something didn't work out, and
when the plane went in the water, the rest of
my family fought that she had died.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But was she on that flight.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
She was supposed to be honest.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, gotcha? Okay, Well, thank god she wasn't. Thank god
she got onto a different flight and got home safe
and safe and sound flight. All right. Great, hey, Kurt, thanks,
I got you in none of the wire, but I'm
flat out of time, so i gotta let you run.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
Okay, I understand you. Have a good night.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You two. Appreciate your call and call again. All right,
We're done for this night. As we move on, I
want to thank Mike Templeton, who was our producer tonight
in Rob's absence. Great job, Mike, Thank you very much.
One of your first shows here on Nightside, hopefully the
first of many. Rob maybe back tomorrow night. If not,
Mike will be here. I'll be here tomorrow night. Marita
(38:39):
will be here tomorrow during the day, and I'll end.
There's always all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's my pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's all Your pets are pasted. They loved
you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
them again. See again tomorrow night on Nightside. Everybody be
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