November 14, 2024 • 37 mins
U.S. Representative Seth Moulton from Massachusetts received backlash over his post-election comments saying the Democratic Party is focusing too much on identity politics. Moulton expressed concerns he has with his daughters’ playing sports against trans athletes, a concern he says a majority of voters can relate to. Moulton says the backlash he received proves his point that “we can’t even have these discussions as a party.” Dan asked listeners for their reactions to Rep. Moulton's comments.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, we're going to go back to Bill.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We held him over, So Bill, I don't hold many
callers over, but I'll give you a chance to wrap
up your points.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm monopologed. You know, I know you won't let me anyway.
You shouldn't. But you know, and I know I know this.
This the audience here is very often not sympathetic to
trans people or or or transvestite story times or whatever.
And I know that it's just something that people have
a hard time understanding. And I get that. But Seth
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Moulten's mistake was.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
When you talk about transvestite story times, I'm not sure
what you're talking talk about the drag queen story hours?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Yes, drag queen.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, I have no problem with that, as long as
there are other groups like the National Rifle Association. If
you have an NRA story hours some week, have whatever
story hours.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You want, exactly. My point is there's a lot of intolerance.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're an agreement, Bill, we're in agreement with a No.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No I argue with you. I know many of your
audience don't feel that way. My point is simply this.
I agree that no one should be have an unfair
advantage because of skies or weight when they're on a
playing field. But the company suggestion you made that that
one athlete who had her chief knockout, it could have
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easily been done by a very tall, strong woman. That
athlete didn'ttentially uh that male trand that formerly male didn't
intentionally mean to hurt that girl.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No what, No one suggested that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No one suggested that, But you pointed out as if
that's what trans people are gonna do.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
No I can point I can point out dozens. Bill,
I'm not gonna boil you with it. I can point
out dozens of examples. I also can point out the
argument that women are making women swimmers, particularly let's.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Talk about a non contact sport, swimming, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Uh And So if you're a track and field and
if you're a female, and you are competing against other females,
and all of a sudden, there's someone who has structurally, biologically,
you know, superior physicality to you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Uh. In the case of there's a swimmer down at
Penn State. Uh. And and you as a woman who
has worked, a young girl who has worked for years
and years and years, and all of a sudden you
find yourself competing against people who have an unfair physical advantage. Uh.
I can understand their position, That's.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
All I know too.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But not we could have, we could have, we could have.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
A great saying, is what Moulton I think is saying,
is that there's a purity test in the Democratic Party.
We can't even converse about that. You know, there are
some boys hockey teams who do not have enough boy
players at one high school, so they combine and they
have sort of a combined team of two or three
high schools. Maybe they can be if we find out
that there are so many, you know, trans athletes, we can.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Have a trans high school sports program.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I mean this, we have to sort of look at
this and at least be able to have a conversation
like we're having now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's all Seth Malten is saying, right, But.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I think basically he took it one step too far,
and I think he actually probably regrets what he says,
because you think he does. But he certainly didn't make
itself available for calls. So that that was my decision.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That was my decision.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
That's fine, that's fine. But what I'm saying is, and
I'll end with this, I think chose his words differently.
I think if if his little girls, and I support
everyone to being protective of their children, but I think
if his little girls happen to be six feet tall
and or overweight, would he not want them to be
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able to play on a team where other players were
not as physically tall or large for fear that they
may run people over. I think it's a matter of
he basically was painting trans people as bullies as people.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Again, you know when you said that now three times,
I'm going to disagree with you. Every time you say it,
he's not saying that in my opinion. You have your opinion.
We'll have to agree to disagree. And I appreciate you
took the time to call. I mean that genuinely, and
I hope you continue to call. Have a good night,
you too, have a good one. Let's keep rolling here. Okay,
(04:49):
we'll get one more in before the break. Let me
go to John and Braintreet. John, you're next to night side.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Welcome.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
How you doing, Dan, it's Captain Hindsight again.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm very good, Captain Hindsight. We've rallied you a couple
of times here in the last few days.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Back on the Biden thing. I was kind of glad
that he. I sought more of him for stepping down
the way he did, But in hindsight, he probably should
have stepped down sooner.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, my question to Seth Molten at the end, and
I'm not sure I articulated the question as well as
I should. I think there's a story behind that because
I have a very close I have a very clear
recollection that Joe Biden sometime you need a late May
or early June released a videotape. It was a very short,
thirty second videotape, it wasn't live, and Joe Biden, looking
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trim and fit and fit as a fiddle, basically looked
into the camera and said, Donald, I understand you want
to have a debate with me anywhere, anytime. Okay, I'm ready, Donald,
make my day. Was it was almost that quick. It
was almost like he was channeling Clint Eastward, you know,
make my day. And within an hour CNN had scheduled
that debate. And the fact that he wasn't ready for
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that debate and had such a horrible performance, I'm wondering
if there were people in the White House who said, look,
it's better to get him out there, proved to him,
proved to the American.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Public that he's not at that point. Yeah, that's exactly
what I'm suggesting. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. And then
for a while he said no, he said, he said,
if God Almighty comes down, I'll step aside.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
If you remember in July, but he said, you know,
let's I hear from God Almighty. You got my word,
I'm in and that and when a Biden gives you
his word, that's what he said, and then all of
a sudden, Nancy Pelosi said, well, I haven't talked to
him yet, and then Chuck Schumer and I think you know,
basically he was told by the powers that be, Hey,
it's over.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I have a quick question or two quick questions for you,
one and you can answer them when I hang up.
One is, do you think there's going to be a
nightmare between the in the Republican Party now, because you
know how they have the Marjorie Taylor greens and stuff,
especially with it's such a selgh. Are they going to
start holding them hostage for crazier stuff? And it couldn't
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be a nightmare even though they have complete control, those
few people are going to have that power again.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The the Republican Congress just changed the rules and that
in the Republican Conference Matt Gates was able to challenge
McCarthy's speakership because they just needed one vote amongst the
Republican Conference. They just changed that you have to have
nine votes, sort of a nine.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Vote a little bit better.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
What I wanted to say was my criticism of the Biden.
I am absolutely so disappointed the way they handled the Israel.
And are you familiar with Christopher Hitchens at all? I'm
just becoming familiar with him. Oh my gosh. He just
if you if you YouTube Christopher Hitchins and listened to
him about Israel over the air, he you know, I
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wish I could speak as eloquently as he does on it,
so so succinctly, and so you know, obviously everything he
says is just truth after truth after truth, and he.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Said it was.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
He said he found it odd that once England decided
to start with the colonization of countries and stuff like that,
all of a sudden, now Israel came along and this
was his words. And Israel is now colonizing you know,
Jerusalem and Israel over there. And if you get a
(08:29):
chance to listen to this, it's horrific that we've got
ourselves involved in there and now this and I ran
off even more. And they've become extremely strong and could
be a problem. So I don't know, well, you know that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They've become extremely strong because the money was was given
to them. I certainly know of Hitchings. He he's he's
not a lot.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
He died, Yeah, in eleven I didn't realize you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thirteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Uh you know, he's he's he's he was a brit
and and he he was always someone who was controversial.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I'm a big supporter of Israel. You know that. You
listen to my show and I don't want to open
up the conversation.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Would you listen to his explanation of why he you know,
the way he his overview of what happened or what
they're doing there, and it was maybe we could have
a talk some other time, but.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
We could, we could. And I've studied the Middle East.
I've never been to the Middle East, I will admit that,
but I've studied it a lot. And there's one country
over there. There's one country over there that has been
loyal to the United States. They have been they have
been attacked since the day that that that they became
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a nation in May of nineteen forty eight. And there's
there a city there, there's a country. There are a
country by the size of New Jersey. If we had
ever had the amount of bombs dropped on us during
that period time for now seven over seventy five years,
please uh you know again, I think we're going to
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be just diametrically a post on this issue, and I
would be more than happy to have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
With you on it.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
But yeah, well I'm not that well read in it.
But listening to him, holy smokes, he just puts it,
puts it in perspective that they are putting us in
a very we got dambooz the last time trying to
support them and then they bailed up. There's some crazy
stuff going on there too. So I don't want to
take you off, but thank you for taking the call.
I appreciate welcome, have a good night.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Share, Thank you, sir. Take quick break right back on
Night's out after this.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right, let me go next to Mike. Excuse me,
Mick in Austin.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Mick, you are next on nights. I appreciate you taking
the time to call in a right headship.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Hey, Dan, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm doing great boy? Sound like a creaky door there?
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It is? Actually no, I was just doing some dishes,
cleaning up the house.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh all right, well now let's talk. I can't help
you with that. I can help you can help me
with talk and go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
All right, couple quick thingys Seth Molt and Mike have
a graduate congressman. I you know, I racked that him,
like he's not my he's not my congressman. But the
guy is great. He made some great points about the
Democratic Party ship listen to the people, Maybe do poles,
because I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
They I'm sure they do polls.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think what his concern is that if you do
not align with the party on each and every issue,
and particularly on certain issues, they they subject you to
what he called the purity test, which I think is
a mistake because if you start to give everybody a
purity test, you're going to have a pretty small party
at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well one hundred percent agree, And I'm the person who
always backed Labor up in if they didn't poles, Like
as a parent, I don't want my daughter playing field
hockey or swimming against a man like that's a you know,
transgender and taking the title from me, and especially some
of these national titles like NCAA titles and the Young
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Girl swam since she was four years old and lost
the title to a guy who just transferred over in
two years. I mean, hundred is that wrong, and I
think most Democrats would agree with that. Like they can
participate in sports and some non contact sports, but I
think most Democrats would agree with that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean, I mean, there are there are there are
ways that women and men have have have competed, you know,
in tennis mixed doubles. Obviously, there's a uh you know,
there's an LPGA, and there's a PGA, you know, men's tour,
And the reason is that men, you know, the really
good professional male golfers can hit the ball three hundred
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and twenty yards.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, you know, there's just about I just watched like
two weeks ago it was college and it was like
two men and two women from one call. It's facing
two men and two more from another.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
College golf a golf tournament.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
You mean yeah it was college. It was college golf.
You know, yeah, yeah, I should have not been golfer myself, right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So yeah, you know, I think you go ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I think most Democrats would agree with its fundamental issues
like that. I mean, I don't think most Democrats are
far dealing with a zero point five percent in like
one hundred percent, like you can't do this. I think
a lot of us have common sense issues like that.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, look, and the bottom line is is look, if
you take if you take, for example, a game like tennis, Okay,
if you take the best men's players against the best
women's players, uh, the men's players will win. But but uh,
just like in marathons, women aren't that far behind in tennis.
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I remember one time hitting as a young man with
a woman who was number ten in the world of
the women's I couldn't touch. I mean, that wasn't bad,
but I mean she could do stuff with a tennis ball,
big left woman named Barbara Potter, who was ranked number ten,
moving from Connecticut, and you know, she could bounce the
ball to the left, bounce the ball, she could do
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things with which I could even attempt to do. But
that's a difference, you know. But at the same time,
if you put her up against the best men's player,
he's gonna you know, he's going the same way with golf.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You take take the best female golfer, She's never going
to beat the best male golfer. It's a question of strength.
But when you get into transgender issues here, it's a
different set of issues. And Seth Molten, you know, came
on tonight, and I think he tried to make his
case as clearly as he could.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think he did a good job on it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I also think he did it. He made a great
point with the like marathon. They have wheelchair categories, they
have men's women over forty, over thirty, they have like
fifteen or twenty different categories. People from Boston. The first
guy first in, a male female from Boston across the line.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You do you know, I would think that if you
had transgender women competing in the women's marathon, and all
of a sudden you had you know, you know people,
you know, men who were either in the process or
have become women, They're going to have a height advantage,
They're going to have a strength advantage.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
That is where I think you could do. You could
you could run that experiment and say, okay, transgender women
can compete against women.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
See what happens.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Then you know title exactly. You know, Dan, I could
talk all night about how Kamala lost the election. I
can't believe Donald Trump won it just on his character
and it's just playton lies. But I can't connt that tonight.
But as far as the state order goes, and now
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our state is trying to like a ball shot bill
that we just voted for. Yeah, I hope you have
a we will we will.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I guarantee you we will have Diana Disaglio on.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I couldn't think of her name, Diana.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
She's the state auditor. She is carrying on a one
woman's campaign against the male dominated legislature up there. And
I know that they were going to pull something like
this and it's not quick too.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Absolutely, that is a real in your face. You know,
you went to the voters. I think it was like
seventy percent. She won seventy to thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I hope she drags him into court because obviously they
have messed now with all the voters in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I saw Mariana on TV tonight and it was appalling
in my opinion. Hey, thank you know.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I listened to the show you had her on and
that was great listening to it. My last point is
the Attorney General Gates. I listened to you on your
show when you talked about him soliciting minors. Yeah it
was like two years ago, but yep, the wrong choice
for attorney general.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, I don't think that that's been confirmed that choice.
In my opinion, there will be some senators who will
stand by him, but he's not going to get fifty percent, uh,
even in a in a Senate which has fifty three Republicans.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'll let you get back to work. We'll talk soon. Okay, thanks,
make appreciate you, all right, Take you have a good one.
Let me go to Joe and Lynn. Joe next on nights.
I get you in here before the fint Dan.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
This is a really interesting conversation. I have mixed feelings.
I know we can agree to disagree and still be friends.
I disagree with transgender. To me, that's not normal. And
I don't blame Steph Moulton because you know about the
transgender boxing. I think it was an Italy.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
They showed there was an Algerian transgender contestant in the
in the woman's division and he she won the gold medal,
and there was all sorts of controversy about that.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yes, I do read yeah, because but there was damage
to one woman in Italy and her face.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
She was an Italian five who who who suffered? I
don't know if she suffered, but but she basically.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Broke damaged eye sockets, an other things, and that's horrible.
I don't think they should be doing that. I mean
to me, and this is just me. You may agree
or disagree, Glenn and I have discussed this before. A
transgender to.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Me is not normal.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
You're a man, you're a man, you're a woman, you're
a woman.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
If you again, what it's normal to you and what's
normal to me might be different, might be different to
someone else.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Again, the word normal is.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You know again, Uh, it's you know, it's certainly transgenders
are the exception to the rule.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But again I don't know that I have that right,
nor to you. It's you know, it's you know.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I guess you could say, look, people with red hair,
it's not normal because you know, but but to them
it's normal. So I just I don't think that's going
to lead us anywhere to I think we should stay
with the with the conversation about how how can he
make it work? What what what compromised is jgitimate and
what conversation should be allowed, Moulten saying he can't even
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raise it as an issue to talk about because.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Crazy you should be able to discuss anything. Now, as
far as Matt Gates, I don't know if it's true
what they said about and they say some people say
make a good attorney general. I don't know, no, because
there's just so much and what I don't like what
more Healey's going to do about the border. I just
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want to touch on that she's going to disobey the
president's order. Now, the president could reset go to the
that new was it Missoon whatever his name is, and
say I'd like to put you put Matt Gates in.
But when you hear things like mor Heey's not going
to obey uh, and that's federal law, I think that
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she may wind up losing her funding. And I don't
know whether they'll arrest her for that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
But no, Look, whatever disagreement exists between Governor Heally and
the Trump administration on that or any other issue, will
be litigated in court.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Simple as that suppose what's going to be done. Absolutely, Okay,
that's that's the way we work in this country. Okay,
you know, we don't arrest people. We're not a.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Banana Republic dictatorship. It gets resolved in court, and the
court decision is more is more.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Of my questions he was more violating federal law if
he orders the border to start, people start taking out
deporting these people, and she won't told the police not
to obey his order.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And again if if the if the Trump administration goes
into federal court, uh, and they get an order which
instructs her, they would take her into federal court and
she would be told by a federal judge you have
to you know, you're obligated. Now, there's a whole bunch
of cases. There's a whole bunch of arguments there. I
can't litigated with you here, So that will be that
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will be decided by a judge.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And that's my question.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
If she disobeys him, then is she in serious trouble?
If he goes to court, you're.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Talking about disobeying a judge.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Yeah, more more really the judges you have to follow this.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
She can be held in contempt of court like any individual,
even as a governor, and that she's gonna have a
chance to appeal it. That's the way it works, and
eventually it necessarily goes Supreme Court. And if she's then
gonna defy it, yeah, she's gonna be in contempt.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Joe, I got to run. I got you on before
the break here. But I'm way past my.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
Thank you very much, take care, welcome, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
All right, we take a quick break for news.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I got Danielle and Worcester coming up on the other side,
and got wide open lines here six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
I'd like to segue. I think we've we've done the
Seth Molten conversation, who had a variety of points of
view on that. I'd like to get your thoughts on
the nominees, the nominations that President Trump has made, a
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couple of them somewhat controversial.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I think that his.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Junior is one that actually
may make it. I don't think Matt Gates will make it,
but I think he's had some good nominations, and i'd
like to hear what do you think you may agree
or disagree. You got the numbers coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
By the way, apropoed Joe's questions. The Globe's running a
story tomorrow just been updated this afternoon that some Democratic
governors say they're forming a resistance group against Donald Trump.
The Globe is reporting that Governor mar Heey is not
amongst that group democratic governors organizing a second Trump administration
against a second Trump administration, saying this week they're pulling
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together a coalition of like minded state executives to help
battle the dangers of authoritarianism. One leader not joining the
resistance group. More Healey, the Massachusetts governor who his political
rise was fueled and pot by her repeated battles with
now president like Donald Trump, is not a member of
the newly formed initiative known as Governor's Safeguarding Democracy, according
to Healy's office, let me go next to Danielle in Wooster.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Danielle, welcome back to Night's side. How are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
No big deal.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
She gets no accolades, one thing that she is bragging that, No,
she gets nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I just I just thought I was. I just mentioned
I just saw it during the break, that's all. That's
why I mentioned it.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Tonight's been an interesting night. And I think that Seth
deserves so much respect and credit.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
For his.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Commitment to stand behind what he believes in. And I
feel like that is what's gone wrong the last ten
years in this country.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Are people.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Whether they just want to be included, want to be accepted,
so they go with the flow, so to speak, or
they're fearful of being ridiculed for having a different opinion,
because that's where politics has taken us. You cannot have
a mind of your own. You either think like us
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or we crucify it literally. And you had to call
her a couple of months ago when we were talking
about trans gender subjects and she nailed it when she said,
there are two sexes. Fine, girl, and it's determined by chromosomes,
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and it's just you know, you end up having certain
genitalia body features that if you want a boy, if
you've wone a girl. So I don't understand why this
is such a tough decision. You know what it is.
It sounds like the typical players in the game that
just don't like rules. We have a problem with authority
(25:02):
and rules. And the rule says if you're a boy,
you don't this is what team you play for. If
you're a girl, you play on this team. It really
isn't more complicated than that.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, you know from from the other side, and I'm
not necessarily on the other side of this issue. In
terms of girls. It seems to me that girls have
fought long and hard for equal equal full.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
I am a s I can speak as a swimmer.
I'm a butterflyer, okay, butterfly. Butterfly is the most difficult sport.
And I will tell you I was pretty jacked when
I was younger. Okay, I was big into the gym.
I was self conscious on a prom dress because I
had shoulders and back muscles that I didn't you don't
even know exists, Okay, but I will tell you I
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can think vividly of three guys that because in the summer, well,
some teams are co ed, but then you compete some
in high school. The girls haven't meet the boys have
meet in the summer. You have a co ed team,
but you swim against boys, and you know the girls
from against girls, but it's we travel with the team together.
And I can think of three to this day that's
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whim the butterfly that would absolutely flatter me.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
If I had to go against them.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
So and also, you know when you have a child,
when you give birth, mother gives birth and they say, okay,
I know you have a boy or you have a girl,
and love that doesn't sit back in the hospital and going,
you have to know what I really wanted?
Speaker 10 (26:35):
A girl?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
You know, the boys, we're going to call him a girl.
You don't decide that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know, there's a lot of emotion on this issue.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
And so when a child that's to exhibit that they
want to be the opposite sex, right, and the parent
chooses to support that, they can take it a step
further and take the hormones and stuff to prevent further development.
So those kids might be more in line with that
gender that they want to be, versus maybe a kid
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that was scared to talk about it and then in
high school decided, you know what, I am going to
go for it. I am trimp and that person. Let's
just take a boy, for example, that wants to be
the female, so that that boy didn't take the hormones,
so he's got the Adams apple and he's got the
male features. That's going to be a whole different scenario
than maybe a boy that was given the hormone suppressing
(27:27):
drugs or estrogen at a young age and has the
shapes and curves of a female by the time he's
a freshman. So you know, there's just so much that
goes into it. It's so complex, and.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I just think people, Danielle, it's very complicated. There's no
question about that, and I think that's just simple. Let me,
let me just let me just jump in here for
a second, if you don't mind.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I think it's very complicated, and I think that there
are families who find themselves dealing with these questions and
understandably they support their child whatever way the child.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Is going, and that you understand. But the question then becomes, Okay,
if this child wants to compete against girls in what
are contact sports, how fear is that? And that's what
That's what I'm trying to I have. I have all
I can do to handle with that that issue.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. But Dan, again,
where was this problem when I was in middle school?
It was we didn't have it. Okay, we allowed society
to get like this, and we need more people like
Seth to stand up and say, wait a minute, wait
a minute.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
We need he's saying.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He's saying the same thing I am, daniel That is
that that he should be allowed to talk about it.
He was told by people in the Democratic Party this
is an issue that you can't even talk about. And
and he he has has separated himself from a good
portion of the Democratic Party, and maybe he will pay
a price for it, or maybe he will turn out
and he will take the Democratic Party by force of
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his argument in other direction, some the same thing as you.
Speaker 9 (29:09):
You should be allowed to talk about it, and you
should be able to have your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
We are saying that, I feel like I'm arguing with it.
I really I'm not. We're saying something.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
No, No, I'm not arguing. I just I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
There was just just a point one other point, there
was a young there was apparently it's a city council
out there who's saying that he might run against Seth Moulton.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And Seth isn't afraid of that. He said, fine, you know,
let's let's deal with it at the round box. All right.
Thank you, thank you, Danielle. I hear your emotion coming
through the phone. Thank you much. Okay, good night, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
All right, take quick break here six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty triple eight nine two nine ten
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I do when I when I come back, I want
to start talking about the cabinet nominations that President Trump
or President Like Trump has put forward. Mario Ruber, Mario
Rubio Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, excuse me, Marco Rubio,
(30:03):
Secretary of State. I think that will be that will
pass very easily. I think that the Defense Secretary Pete
Hegseth has an incredible I realize he's a Fox News
Hope host, but he has an incredible military service record.
Christy Nome, the governor of South Dakota, is a Trump favorite.
(30:26):
John Ratcliffe, former Congressman c I A director, Lee Zelden,
e PA administrator who ran a pretty strong race as
a Republican for the governorship of New York uh and
Elise Stefanik. We all saw her dealing with the Ivy
League President's last last fall in the wake of the
(30:49):
October seventh attack. He has he has some smart people here.
I think one nomination that I have that I have
trouble with is Matt Gates.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think he is a.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
He's a lightning rod. He has brought more controversy on
himself and on the Republican Party. I still believe perhaps
Donald Trump is want enough to use him as almost
a sacrificial lamb, that he would be the one nominee
that Trump probably is just as happy to lose.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I could be wrong. I'd love to know what you think.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I think that there are more qualified lawyers and experienced litigators,
and certainly I think of former district attorney out of
South Carolina Goudy, Trey Goudi, who I think would be
a legitimate nominee if he's trying, if he's trying to
(31:44):
find people who have media experience, there are others, There
are others. Donald Trump has had legal troubles, and I
think that he needs to surround himself with someone who
is legal, but someone who's also highly competent.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Will take a break. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
What do you think about the cabinet officials that so
far he has nominated, including Robert F. Kennedy Junior is
the head of Health and Human Services. Arguably, I think
that's the biggest in terms of dollars spent department. And
that is not even to mention the Department of Government Efficiency,
which hasn't even informed yet, which we'll have two people
(32:25):
involved in that, including Elon Musk, join the conversation. I
got some open lines. Let's light him up. Be right back,
coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let's go to Bob and Raynham Next. Bob, You're next
on Nightside. Welcome Sey, Dan.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
How's it going good?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What do you think about the president elects nominees?
Speaker 10 (32:57):
I like him, but I was wondering if I could
Can I stay with the Seth Wilten issue?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yeah, So I certainly agree with what Seth Molten stands,
you know, stands for on this issue. And I think
I think for us to get back to a normal society,
I'd say we have to have healthy debate on both sides.
(33:25):
And it can't be potty line right down the line
on every single issue that that I believe does no
one any good. I think there needs to be healthy
debate on a lot of these issues. And and the
other thing I'd like to say is, uh, I believe
last summer you had a gentleman on speaking about a
(33:50):
d D and ADHD, but he was speaking more to
it on the adult level, and I was wondering if
you could get an expert on to UH speak about
the impacts of this add and ADHD medic medicine given
to children and if that has any impact on all
(34:12):
this UH transgender stuff from these schools you know I have.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I haven't seen. I haven't seen anything in that regard.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I know that there are more children diagnosed these days
with ADHD than than were in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
UH.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
And some people think it's over diagnosis, other thin others
think that it was not diagnosed properly in the past.
What I would rather do is that if anyone out
there wants to recommend someone, I'd be more than happy
to look at them. I don't have, off the top
of my head doctors who I know who would be,
you know, experts in that area.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Doctor. I do have doctors who have experts in a
number of areas, but I don't have anyone in that area.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
But nonetheless, anyone who wants to recommend someone, I'd be
more than to look at him and talk about it.
But we're probably getting into some of that because if
Robert F. Kennedy Junior does become the Secretary of Health
and Human Services, and certainly I think at the hearings
his nomination hearings, there'll be a lot about some of
(35:17):
the things that he has said in some of the
positions he has taken on these very issues that you're
talking about, So I suspect we will have to deal
with those issues in the next few weeks.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Anyway, Okay, yeah, it sounds good, Thanks Bob, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Okay, but I like the suggestion. Okay, you're going to
wrap the hour here with Kathy from Lunenburg. Kathy, you
were next on Nightside.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Welcome, Hi Dan Oh, Kenny, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
I was just going to say RFK Junior, I think
is a great pick, and for some of the points
you were just mentioning, I think there's going to be
a lot of things settle change, much needed change in
terms of the food industry, particularly when it comes to
children and you see all the dies and you know
(36:07):
the previous college just mentioning about ad D. I think
that was a really good point, so hopefully for the show.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So you think that, I.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Assume you think that Kennedy is going to say, Okay,
we can no longer use these guys in cereals and
stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, I mean, when here's my question, here's
my question, Okay, here's my question.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
As a Republican, I think you're a Republican. Normally Republicans say, hey,
stay out of the boardroom.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Let us do what we want to do. It's a
free market. People can buy if they want to buy.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You know, of course breakfast cereal that has that's you know,
a world of colors, rainbow breakfast Cereal.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So be it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I think it's going to be a fascinating conversation and argument. Yeah,
I do.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
I'll tell you, Dan, I have regular conversations with a
couple of other Republican moms and we're all all on
the same page, you know. And I think particularly when
it comes to the kids, and you see, and my
kids are varying ages, my oldest to youngest twenty years.
(37:14):
So I've seen. I've seen a wide range of things,
particularly in the schools and with my last child, who
now just graduated college a year ago. When he was young,
I got more involved in terms of going in in
you know, seeing children's behavior and learning about what the
(37:34):
autism spectrum is and how you know, kids react to
occupational therapy. But more importantly, someone had said to me
and I thought, oh, you know, my daughters were fine, my,
you know people will recognize.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Me, Jathy.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know what, I'm going to have to hold you
all over, Kathy, because you started down a road here
that I kind of completed in twenty seconds. So therefore,
stay there and I'll talk to you on the other
side of the eleven o'clock News. For those of you
who want to dial in, you have the number six
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It's nice side with Dan ray one easy Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, we're going to go back to Bill.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We held him over, So Bill, I don't hold many
callers over, but I'll give you a chance to wrap
up your points.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm monopologed. You know, I know you won't let me anyway.
You shouldn't. But you know, and I know I know this.
This the audience here is very often not sympathetic to
trans people or or or transvestite story times or whatever.
And I know that it's just something that people have
a hard time understanding. And I get that. But Seth
(01:09):
Moulten's mistake was.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
When you talk about transvestite story times, I'm not sure
what you're talking talk about the drag queen story hours?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Yes, drag queen.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, I have no problem with that, as long as
there are other groups like the National Rifle Association. If
you have an NRA story hours some week, have whatever
story hours.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You want, exactly. My point is there's a lot of intolerance.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're an agreement, Bill, we're in agreement with a No.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No I argue with you. I know many of your
audience don't feel that way. My point is simply this.
I agree that no one should be have an unfair
advantage because of skies or weight when they're on a
playing field. But the company suggestion you made that that
one athlete who had her chief knockout, it could have
(01:54):
easily been done by a very tall, strong woman. That
athlete didn'ttentially uh that male trand that formerly male didn't
intentionally mean to hurt that girl.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No what, No one suggested that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No one suggested that, But you pointed out as if
that's what trans people are gonna do.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
No I can point I can point out dozens. Bill,
I'm not gonna boil you with it. I can point
out dozens of examples. I also can point out the
argument that women are making women swimmers, particularly let's.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Talk about a non contact sport, swimming, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Uh And So if you're a track and field and
if you're a female, and you are competing against other females,
and all of a sudden, there's someone who has structurally, biologically,
you know, superior physicality to you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Uh. In the case of there's a swimmer down at
Penn State. Uh. And and you as a woman who
has worked, a young girl who has worked for years
and years and years, and all of a sudden you
find yourself competing against people who have an unfair physical advantage. Uh.
I can understand their position, That's.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
All I know too.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But not we could have, we could have, we could have.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
A great saying, is what Moulton I think is saying,
is that there's a purity test in the Democratic Party.
We can't even converse about that. You know, there are
some boys hockey teams who do not have enough boy
players at one high school, so they combine and they
have sort of a combined team of two or three
high schools. Maybe they can be if we find out
that there are so many, you know, trans athletes, we can.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Have a trans high school sports program.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I mean this, we have to sort of look at
this and at least be able to have a conversation
like we're having now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's all Seth Malten is saying, right, But.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I think basically he took it one step too far,
and I think he actually probably regrets what he says,
because you think he does. But he certainly didn't make
itself available for calls. So that that was my decision.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That was my decision.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
That's fine, that's fine. But what I'm saying is, and
I'll end with this, I think chose his words differently.
I think if if his little girls, and I support
everyone to being protective of their children, but I think
if his little girls happen to be six feet tall
and or overweight, would he not want them to be
(04:13):
able to play on a team where other players were
not as physically tall or large for fear that they
may run people over. I think it's a matter of
he basically was painting trans people as bullies as people.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Again, you know when you said that now three times,
I'm going to disagree with you. Every time you say it,
he's not saying that in my opinion. You have your opinion.
We'll have to agree to disagree. And I appreciate you
took the time to call. I mean that genuinely, and
I hope you continue to call. Have a good night,
you too, have a good one. Let's keep rolling here. Okay,
(04:49):
we'll get one more in before the break. Let me
go to John and Braintreet. John, you're next to night side.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Welcome.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
How you doing, Dan, it's Captain Hindsight again.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm very good, Captain Hindsight. We've rallied you a couple
of times here in the last few days.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Back on the Biden thing. I was kind of glad
that he. I sought more of him for stepping down
the way he did, But in hindsight, he probably should
have stepped down sooner.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, my question to Seth Molten at the end, and
I'm not sure I articulated the question as well as
I should. I think there's a story behind that because
I have a very close I have a very clear
recollection that Joe Biden sometime you need a late May
or early June released a videotape. It was a very short,
thirty second videotape, it wasn't live, and Joe Biden, looking
(05:39):
trim and fit and fit as a fiddle, basically looked
into the camera and said, Donald, I understand you want
to have a debate with me anywhere, anytime. Okay, I'm ready, Donald,
make my day. Was it was almost that quick. It
was almost like he was channeling Clint Eastward, you know,
make my day. And within an hour CNN had scheduled
that debate. And the fact that he wasn't ready for
(06:00):
that debate and had such a horrible performance, I'm wondering
if there were people in the White House who said, look,
it's better to get him out there, proved to him,
proved to the American.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Public that he's not at that point. Yeah, that's exactly
what I'm suggesting. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. And then
for a while he said no, he said, he said,
if God Almighty comes down, I'll step aside.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
If you remember in July, but he said, you know,
let's I hear from God Almighty. You got my word,
I'm in and that and when a Biden gives you
his word, that's what he said, and then all of
a sudden, Nancy Pelosi said, well, I haven't talked to
him yet, and then Chuck Schumer and I think you know,
basically he was told by the powers that be, Hey,
it's over.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I have a quick question or two quick questions for you,
one and you can answer them when I hang up.
One is, do you think there's going to be a
nightmare between the in the Republican Party now, because you
know how they have the Marjorie Taylor greens and stuff,
especially with it's such a selgh. Are they going to
start holding them hostage for crazier stuff? And it couldn't
(07:06):
be a nightmare even though they have complete control, those
few people are going to have that power again.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The the Republican Congress just changed the rules and that
in the Republican Conference Matt Gates was able to challenge
McCarthy's speakership because they just needed one vote amongst the
Republican Conference. They just changed that you have to have
nine votes, sort of a nine.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Vote a little bit better.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
What I wanted to say was my criticism of the Biden.
I am absolutely so disappointed the way they handled the Israel.
And are you familiar with Christopher Hitchens at all? I'm
just becoming familiar with him. Oh my gosh. He just
if you if you YouTube Christopher Hitchins and listened to
him about Israel over the air, he you know, I
(07:57):
wish I could speak as eloquently as he does on it,
so so succinctly, and so you know, obviously everything he
says is just truth after truth after truth, and he.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Said it was.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
He said he found it odd that once England decided
to start with the colonization of countries and stuff like that,
all of a sudden, now Israel came along and this
was his words. And Israel is now colonizing you know,
Jerusalem and Israel over there. And if you get a
(08:29):
chance to listen to this, it's horrific that we've got
ourselves involved in there and now this and I ran
off even more. And they've become extremely strong and could
be a problem. So I don't know, well, you know that.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They've become extremely strong because the money was was given
to them. I certainly know of Hitchings. He he's he's
not a lot.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
He died, Yeah, in eleven I didn't realize you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thirteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Uh you know, he's he's he's he was a brit
and and he he was always someone who was controversial.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I'm a big supporter of Israel. You know that. You
listen to my show and I don't want to open
up the conversation.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Would you listen to his explanation of why he you know,
the way he his overview of what happened or what
they're doing there, and it was maybe we could have
a talk some other time, but.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
We could, we could. And I've studied the Middle East.
I've never been to the Middle East, I will admit that,
but I've studied it a lot. And there's one country
over there. There's one country over there that has been
loyal to the United States. They have been they have
been attacked since the day that that that they became
(09:46):
a nation in May of nineteen forty eight. And there's
there a city there, there's a country. There are a
country by the size of New Jersey. If we had
ever had the amount of bombs dropped on us during
that period time for now seven over seventy five years,
please uh you know again, I think we're going to
(10:10):
be just diametrically a post on this issue, and I
would be more than happy to have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
With you on it.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
But yeah, well I'm not that well read in it.
But listening to him, holy smokes, he just puts it,
puts it in perspective that they are putting us in
a very we got dambooz the last time trying to
support them and then they bailed up. There's some crazy
stuff going on there too. So I don't want to
take you off, but thank you for taking the call.
I appreciate welcome, have a good night.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Share, Thank you, sir. Take quick break right back on
Night's out after this.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right, let me go next to Mike. Excuse me,
Mick in Austin.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Mick, you are next on nights. I appreciate you taking
the time to call in a right headship.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Hey, Dan, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm doing great boy? Sound like a creaky door there?
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It is? Actually no, I was just doing some dishes,
cleaning up the house.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh all right, well now let's talk. I can't help
you with that. I can help you can help me
with talk and go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
All right, couple quick thingys Seth Molt and Mike have
a graduate congressman. I you know, I racked that him,
like he's not my he's not my congressman. But the
guy is great. He made some great points about the
Democratic Party ship listen to the people, Maybe do poles,
because I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
They I'm sure they do polls.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think what his concern is that if you do
not align with the party on each and every issue,
and particularly on certain issues, they they subject you to
what he called the purity test, which I think is
a mistake because if you start to give everybody a
purity test, you're going to have a pretty small party
at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well one hundred percent agree, And I'm the person who
always backed Labor up in if they didn't poles, Like
as a parent, I don't want my daughter playing field
hockey or swimming against a man like that's a you know,
transgender and taking the title from me, and especially some
of these national titles like NCAA titles and the Young
(12:11):
Girl swam since she was four years old and lost
the title to a guy who just transferred over in
two years. I mean, hundred is that wrong, and I
think most Democrats would agree with that. Like they can
participate in sports and some non contact sports, but I
think most Democrats would agree with that.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean, I mean, there are there are there are
ways that women and men have have have competed, you know,
in tennis mixed doubles. Obviously, there's a uh you know,
there's an LPGA, and there's a PGA, you know, men's tour,
And the reason is that men, you know, the really
good professional male golfers can hit the ball three hundred
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and twenty yards.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, you know, there's just about I just watched like
two weeks ago it was college and it was like
two men and two women from one call. It's facing
two men and two more from another.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
College golf a golf tournament.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
You mean yeah it was college. It was college golf.
You know, yeah, yeah, I should have not been golfer myself, right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So yeah, you know, I think you go ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I think most Democrats would agree with its fundamental issues
like that. I mean, I don't think most Democrats are
far dealing with a zero point five percent in like
one hundred percent, like you can't do this. I think
a lot of us have common sense issues like that.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, look, and the bottom line is is look, if
you take if you take, for example, a game like tennis, Okay,
if you take the best men's players against the best
women's players, uh, the men's players will win. But but uh,
just like in marathons, women aren't that far behind in tennis.
(13:54):
I remember one time hitting as a young man with
a woman who was number ten in the world of
the women's I couldn't touch. I mean, that wasn't bad,
but I mean she could do stuff with a tennis ball,
big left woman named Barbara Potter, who was ranked number ten,
moving from Connecticut, and you know, she could bounce the
ball to the left, bounce the ball, she could do
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things with which I could even attempt to do. But
that's a difference, you know. But at the same time,
if you put her up against the best men's player,
he's gonna you know, he's going the same way with golf.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You take take the best female golfer, She's never going
to beat the best male golfer. It's a question of strength.
But when you get into transgender issues here, it's a
different set of issues. And Seth Molten, you know, came
on tonight, and I think he tried to make his
case as clearly as he could.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think he did a good job on it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I also think he did it. He made a great
point with the like marathon. They have wheelchair categories, they
have men's women over forty, over thirty, they have like
fifteen or twenty different categories. People from Boston. The first
guy first in, a male female from Boston across the line.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You do you know, I would think that if you
had transgender women competing in the women's marathon, and all
of a sudden you had you know, you know people,
you know, men who were either in the process or
have become women, They're going to have a height advantage,
They're going to have a strength advantage.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
That is where I think you could do. You could
you could run that experiment and say, okay, transgender women
can compete against women.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
See what happens.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Then you know title exactly. You know, Dan, I could
talk all night about how Kamala lost the election. I
can't believe Donald Trump won it just on his character
and it's just playton lies. But I can't connt that tonight.
But as far as the state order goes, and now
(15:54):
our state is trying to like a ball shot bill
that we just voted for. Yeah, I hope you have
a we will we will.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I guarantee you we will have Diana Disaglio on.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I couldn't think of her name, Diana.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
She's the state auditor. She is carrying on a one
woman's campaign against the male dominated legislature up there. And
I know that they were going to pull something like
this and it's not quick too.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Absolutely, that is a real in your face. You know,
you went to the voters. I think it was like
seventy percent. She won seventy to thirty percent.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I hope she drags him into court because obviously they
have messed now with all the voters in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I saw Mariana on TV tonight and it was appalling
in my opinion. Hey, thank you know.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I listened to the show you had her on and
that was great listening to it. My last point is
the Attorney General Gates. I listened to you on your
show when you talked about him soliciting minors. Yeah it
was like two years ago, but yep, the wrong choice
for attorney general.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, I don't think that that's been confirmed that choice.
In my opinion, there will be some senators who will
stand by him, but he's not going to get fifty percent, uh,
even in a in a Senate which has fifty three Republicans.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'll let you get back to work. We'll talk soon. Okay, thanks,
make appreciate you, all right, Take you have a good one.
Let me go to Joe and Lynn. Joe next on nights.
I get you in here before the fint Dan.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
This is a really interesting conversation. I have mixed feelings.
I know we can agree to disagree and still be friends.
I disagree with transgender. To me, that's not normal. And
I don't blame Steph Moulton because you know about the
transgender boxing. I think it was an Italy.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
They showed there was an Algerian transgender contestant in the
in the woman's division and he she won the gold medal,
and there was all sorts of controversy about that.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yes, I do read yeah, because but there was damage
to one woman in Italy and her face.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
She was an Italian five who who who suffered? I
don't know if she suffered, but but she basically.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Broke damaged eye sockets, an other things, and that's horrible.
I don't think they should be doing that. I mean
to me, and this is just me. You may agree
or disagree, Glenn and I have discussed this before. A
transgender to.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Me is not normal.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
You're a man, you're a man, you're a woman, you're
a woman.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
If you again, what it's normal to you and what's
normal to me might be different, might be different to
someone else.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Again, the word normal is.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You know again, Uh, it's you know, it's certainly transgenders
are the exception to the rule.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But again I don't know that I have that right,
nor to you. It's you know, it's you know.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I guess you could say, look, people with red hair,
it's not normal because you know, but but to them
it's normal. So I just I don't think that's going
to lead us anywhere to I think we should stay
with the with the conversation about how how can he
make it work? What what what compromised is jgitimate and
what conversation should be allowed, Moulten saying he can't even
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raise it as an issue to talk about because.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Crazy you should be able to discuss anything. Now, as
far as Matt Gates, I don't know if it's true
what they said about and they say some people say
make a good attorney general. I don't know, no, because
there's just so much and what I don't like what
more Healey's going to do about the border. I just
(19:28):
want to touch on that she's going to disobey the
president's order. Now, the president could reset go to the
that new was it Missoon whatever his name is, and
say I'd like to put you put Matt Gates in.
But when you hear things like mor Heey's not going
to obey uh, and that's federal law, I think that
(19:48):
she may wind up losing her funding. And I don't
know whether they'll arrest her for that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
But no, Look, whatever disagreement exists between Governor Heally and
the Trump administration on that or any other issue, will
be litigated in court.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Simple as that suppose what's going to be done. Absolutely, Okay,
that's that's the way we work in this country. Okay,
you know, we don't arrest people. We're not a.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Banana Republic dictatorship. It gets resolved in court, and the
court decision is more is more.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Of my questions he was more violating federal law if
he orders the border to start, people start taking out
deporting these people, and she won't told the police not
to obey his order.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And again if if the if the Trump administration goes
into federal court, uh, and they get an order which
instructs her, they would take her into federal court and
she would be told by a federal judge you have
to you know, you're obligated. Now, there's a whole bunch
of cases. There's a whole bunch of arguments there. I
can't litigated with you here, So that will be that
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will be decided by a judge.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And that's my question.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
If she disobeys him, then is she in serious trouble?
If he goes to court, you're.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Talking about disobeying a judge.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Yeah, more more really the judges you have to follow this.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
She can be held in contempt of court like any individual,
even as a governor, and that she's gonna have a
chance to appeal it. That's the way it works, and
eventually it necessarily goes Supreme Court. And if she's then
gonna defy it, yeah, she's gonna be in contempt.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Joe, I got to run. I got you on before
the break here. But I'm way past my.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
Thank you very much, take care, welcome, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
All right, we take a quick break for news.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I got Danielle and Worcester coming up on the other side,
and got wide open lines here six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
I'd like to segue. I think we've we've done the
Seth Molten conversation, who had a variety of points of
view on that. I'd like to get your thoughts on
the nominees, the nominations that President Trump has made, a
(21:58):
couple of them somewhat controversial.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I think that his.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Junior is one that actually
may make it. I don't think Matt Gates will make it,
but I think he's had some good nominations, and i'd
like to hear what do you think you may agree
or disagree. You got the numbers coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
By the way, apropoed Joe's questions. The Globe's running a
story tomorrow just been updated this afternoon that some Democratic
governors say they're forming a resistance group against Donald Trump.
The Globe is reporting that Governor mar Heey is not
amongst that group democratic governors organizing a second Trump administration
against a second Trump administration, saying this week they're pulling
(22:50):
together a coalition of like minded state executives to help
battle the dangers of authoritarianism. One leader not joining the
resistance group. More Healey, the Massachusetts governor who his political
rise was fueled and pot by her repeated battles with
now president like Donald Trump, is not a member of
the newly formed initiative known as Governor's Safeguarding Democracy, according
to Healy's office, let me go next to Danielle in Wooster.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Danielle, welcome back to Night's side. How are you tonight?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
No big deal.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
She gets no accolades, one thing that she is bragging that, No,
she gets nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I just I just thought I was. I just mentioned
I just saw it during the break, that's all. That's
why I mentioned it.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
Tonight's been an interesting night. And I think that Seth
deserves so much respect and credit.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
For his.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Commitment to stand behind what he believes in. And I
feel like that is what's gone wrong the last ten
years in this country.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Are people.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
Whether they just want to be included, want to be accepted,
so they go with the flow, so to speak, or
they're fearful of being ridiculed for having a different opinion,
because that's where politics has taken us. You cannot have
a mind of your own. You either think like us
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or we crucify it literally. And you had to call
her a couple of months ago when we were talking
about trans gender subjects and she nailed it when she said,
there are two sexes. Fine, girl, and it's determined by chromosomes,
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and it's just you know, you end up having certain
genitalia body features that if you want a boy, if
you've wone a girl. So I don't understand why this
is such a tough decision. You know what it is.
It sounds like the typical players in the game that
just don't like rules. We have a problem with authority
(25:02):
and rules. And the rule says if you're a boy,
you don't this is what team you play for. If
you're a girl, you play on this team. It really
isn't more complicated than that.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, you know from from the other side, and I'm
not necessarily on the other side of this issue. In
terms of girls. It seems to me that girls have
fought long and hard for equal equal full.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
I am a s I can speak as a swimmer.
I'm a butterflyer, okay, butterfly. Butterfly is the most difficult sport.
And I will tell you I was pretty jacked when
I was younger. Okay, I was big into the gym.
I was self conscious on a prom dress because I
had shoulders and back muscles that I didn't you don't
even know exists, Okay, but I will tell you I
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can think vividly of three guys that because in the summer, well,
some teams are co ed, but then you compete some
in high school. The girls haven't meet the boys have
meet in the summer. You have a co ed team,
but you swim against boys, and you know the girls
from against girls, but it's we travel with the team together.
And I can think of three to this day that's
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whim the butterfly that would absolutely flatter me.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
If I had to go against them.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
So and also, you know when you have a child,
when you give birth, mother gives birth and they say, okay,
I know you have a boy or you have a girl,
and love that doesn't sit back in the hospital and going,
you have to know what I really wanted?
Speaker 10 (26:35):
A girl?
Speaker 9 (26:35):
You know, the boys, we're going to call him a girl.
You don't decide that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You know, there's a lot of emotion on this issue.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
And so when a child that's to exhibit that they
want to be the opposite sex, right, and the parent
chooses to support that, they can take it a step
further and take the hormones and stuff to prevent further development.
So those kids might be more in line with that
gender that they want to be, versus maybe a kid
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that was scared to talk about it and then in
high school decided, you know what, I am going to
go for it. I am trimp and that person. Let's
just take a boy, for example, that wants to be
the female, so that that boy didn't take the hormones,
so he's got the Adams apple and he's got the
male features. That's going to be a whole different scenario
than maybe a boy that was given the hormone suppressing
(27:27):
drugs or estrogen at a young age and has the
shapes and curves of a female by the time he's
a freshman. So you know, there's just so much that
goes into it. It's so complex, and.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I just think people, Danielle, it's very complicated. There's no
question about that, and I think that's just simple. Let me,
let me just let me just jump in here for
a second, if you don't mind.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I think it's very complicated, and I think that there
are families who find themselves dealing with these questions and
understandably they support their child whatever way the child.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Is going, and that you understand. But the question then becomes, Okay,
if this child wants to compete against girls in what
are contact sports, how fear is that? And that's what
That's what I'm trying to I have. I have all
I can do to handle with that that issue.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. But Dan, again,
where was this problem when I was in middle school?
It was we didn't have it. Okay, we allowed society
to get like this, and we need more people like
Seth to stand up and say, wait a minute, wait
a minute.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
We need he's saying.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He's saying the same thing I am, daniel That is
that that he should be allowed to talk about it.
He was told by people in the Democratic Party this
is an issue that you can't even talk about. And
and he he has has separated himself from a good
portion of the Democratic Party, and maybe he will pay
a price for it, or maybe he will turn out
and he will take the Democratic Party by force of
(29:05):
his argument in other direction, some the same thing as you.
Speaker 9 (29:09):
You should be allowed to talk about it, and you
should be able to have your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
We are saying that, I feel like I'm arguing with it.
I really I'm not. We're saying something.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
No, No, I'm not arguing. I just I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
There was just just a point one other point, there
was a young there was apparently it's a city council
out there who's saying that he might run against Seth Moulton.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And Seth isn't afraid of that. He said, fine, you know,
let's let's deal with it at the round box. All right.
Thank you, thank you, Danielle. I hear your emotion coming
through the phone. Thank you much. Okay, good night, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
All right, take quick break here six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty triple eight nine two nine ten
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I do when I when I come back, I want
to start talking about the cabinet nominations that President Trump
or President Like Trump has put forward. Mario Ruber, Mario
Rubio Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, excuse me, Marco Rubio,
(30:03):
Secretary of State. I think that will be that will
pass very easily. I think that the Defense Secretary Pete
Hegseth has an incredible I realize he's a Fox News
Hope host, but he has an incredible military service record.
Christy Nome, the governor of South Dakota, is a Trump favorite.
(30:26):
John Ratcliffe, former Congressman c I A director, Lee Zelden,
e PA administrator who ran a pretty strong race as
a Republican for the governorship of New York uh and
Elise Stefanik. We all saw her dealing with the Ivy
League President's last last fall in the wake of the
(30:49):
October seventh attack. He has he has some smart people here.
I think one nomination that I have that I have
trouble with is Matt Gates.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think he is a.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
He's a lightning rod. He has brought more controversy on
himself and on the Republican Party. I still believe perhaps
Donald Trump is want enough to use him as almost
a sacrificial lamb, that he would be the one nominee
that Trump probably is just as happy to lose.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I could be wrong. I'd love to know what you think.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I think that there are more qualified lawyers and experienced litigators,
and certainly I think of former district attorney out of
South Carolina Goudy, Trey Goudi, who I think would be
a legitimate nominee if he's trying, if he's trying to
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find people who have media experience, there are others, There
are others. Donald Trump has had legal troubles, and I
think that he needs to surround himself with someone who
is legal, but someone who's also highly competent.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Will take a break. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
What do you think about the cabinet officials that so
far he has nominated, including Robert F. Kennedy Junior is
the head of Health and Human Services. Arguably, I think
that's the biggest in terms of dollars spent department. And
that is not even to mention the Department of Government Efficiency,
which hasn't even informed yet, which we'll have two people
(32:25):
involved in that, including Elon Musk, join the conversation. I
got some open lines. Let's light him up. Be right back,
coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let's go to Bob and Raynham Next. Bob, You're next
on Nightside. Welcome Sey, Dan.
Speaker 10 (32:47):
How's it going good?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What do you think about the president elects nominees?
Speaker 10 (32:57):
I like him, but I was wondering if I could
Can I stay with the Seth Wilten issue?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yeah, So I certainly agree with what Seth Molten stands,
you know, stands for on this issue. And I think
I think for us to get back to a normal society,
I'd say we have to have healthy debate on both sides.
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And it can't be potty line right down the line
on every single issue that that I believe does no
one any good. I think there needs to be healthy
debate on a lot of these issues. And and the
other thing I'd like to say is, uh, I believe
last summer you had a gentleman on speaking about a
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d D and ADHD, but he was speaking more to
it on the adult level, and I was wondering if
you could get an expert on to UH speak about
the impacts of this add and ADHD medic medicine given
to children and if that has any impact on all
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this UH transgender stuff from these schools you know I have.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I haven't seen. I haven't seen anything in that regard.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I know that there are more children diagnosed these days
with ADHD than than were in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
UH.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
And some people think it's over diagnosis, other thin others
think that it was not diagnosed properly in the past.
What I would rather do is that if anyone out
there wants to recommend someone, I'd be more than happy
to look at them. I don't have, off the top
of my head doctors who I know who would be,
you know, experts in that area.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Doctor. I do have doctors who have experts in a
number of areas, but I don't have anyone in that area.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
But nonetheless, anyone who wants to recommend someone, I'd be
more than to look at him and talk about it.
But we're probably getting into some of that because if
Robert F. Kennedy Junior does become the Secretary of Health
and Human Services, and certainly I think at the hearings
his nomination hearings, there'll be a lot about some of
(35:17):
the things that he has said in some of the
positions he has taken on these very issues that you're
talking about, So I suspect we will have to deal
with those issues in the next few weeks.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Anyway, Okay, yeah, it sounds good, Thanks Bob, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Okay, but I like the suggestion. Okay, you're going to
wrap the hour here with Kathy from Lunenburg. Kathy, you
were next on Nightside.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Welcome, Hi Dan Oh, Kenny, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Thanks.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
I was just going to say RFK Junior, I think
is a great pick, and for some of the points
you were just mentioning, I think there's going to be
a lot of things settle change, much needed change in
terms of the food industry, particularly when it comes to
children and you see all the dies and you know
(36:07):
the previous college just mentioning about ad D. I think
that was a really good point, so hopefully for the show.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So you think that, I.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Assume you think that Kennedy is going to say, Okay,
we can no longer use these guys in cereals and
stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, I mean, when here's my question, here's
my question, Okay, here's my question.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
As a Republican, I think you're a Republican. Normally Republicans say, hey,
stay out of the boardroom.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Let us do what we want to do. It's a
free market. People can buy if they want to buy.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You know, of course breakfast cereal that has that's you know,
a world of colors, rainbow breakfast Cereal.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So be it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I think it's going to be a fascinating conversation and argument. Yeah,
I do.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
I'll tell you, Dan, I have regular conversations with a
couple of other Republican moms and we're all all on
the same page, you know. And I think particularly when
it comes to the kids, and you see, and my
kids are varying ages, my oldest to youngest twenty years.
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So I've seen. I've seen a wide range of things,
particularly in the schools and with my last child, who
now just graduated college a year ago. When he was young,
I got more involved in terms of going in in
you know, seeing children's behavior and learning about what the
(37:34):
autism spectrum is and how you know, kids react to
occupational therapy. But more importantly, someone had said to me
and I thought, oh, you know, my daughters were fine, my,
you know people will recognize.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Me, Jathy.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know what, I'm going to have to hold you
all over, Kathy, because you started down a road here
that I kind of completed in twenty seconds. So therefore,
stay there and I'll talk to you on the other
side of the eleven o'clock News. For those of you
who want to dial in, you have the number six
one seven, two, five four ten thirty or six one
seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Uh, don't do this often. We're doing it twice tonight.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.