June 19, 2024 • 39 mins
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A lot has transpired in the Karen Read murder trial since its start on April 16. So, what’s the latest? Gary chatted with WBZ TV Reporter Kristina Rex who’s been covering this story since the beginning.
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A lot has transpired in the Karen Read murder trial since its start on April 16. So, what’s the latest? Gary chatted with WBZ TV Reporter Kristina Rex who’s been covering this story since the beginning.
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It's NIC's eyes. I'm telling youeasy Boston's News Radio. He's much better
looking, even though he's a hellof a lot older than me. Take
that day on, Okay, Dan'sgot the day off just like everybody else
because of June teeth, Gary Tangoyhere as you just heard Susanna mention,
and this is night's side. Ilove coming in and doing this show.
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We've got Rob Brooks, he's producing. Karen Bussemi. Who Hey, Rob,
can I ask you a question?I didn't want to ask Karen this.
Karen is also producing. She liesup all the gas, keeps everything
ordered, and he keeps everything organizedso the show would be a train wreck.
Is she related to Steve Buscemi?I wanted to ask if I felt
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kind of weird. I was hopingshe was, But anyways, I digress.
I love coming into doing this show. Get out of the house,
get behind a mic, talk aboutsome cool stuff, not just sports.
I did sports forever. We aregoing to talk some sports tonight, but
we are just gonna run the gamutwhen it comes with the topics. We
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know what's hot out. Please becareful. You just heard Mike Macklin.
I said it hasn't been this hotin one hundred years here in Boston,
and I believe it. I didlook this up, and I'm not into
the global warming thing. I'm notgonna argue that one way or another.
Alaska the temperature has increased four pointthree degrees, Delaware three point six.
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Massachusetts is number three, number threeon the list when it comes to getting
warmer. So there's an air qualityissue right now, especially for tomorrow,
so be careful out there. Onthe show tonight, I'm very excited to
talk to Christina Rex of WBZTV.I think she is one of the most
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outstanding reporters in this city. Shehas a legal background, she's very smart,
she's very intelligent. You have tofollow her on TikTok, also on
the IG the old insta where shedoes these terrific summaries of what's going on
with the Karen Reid murder trial,which I'm mucked in on and I'm still
confused. I was at a partyover the weekend and we just started to
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talk about it, and there werepeople who were from the area of where
this incident took place, and Istarted to hear all kinds of theories that
I hadn't read about and I said, no, no, no, don't
put these in my head. Donot put all of these theories in my
head. There's so many theories.I can't keep it straight. What the
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defense is saying, what the prosecutionis saying, what people are saying.
The rumors are flying around. They'recrazy here. It is either she hit
John o'keefan killed them, or hewent inside the house on Fairview Road and
got in the fight and somebody insidekilled them. That's what I just have
to keep that in my head.But as Christina would tell you, I
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mean, our people are already doingdocumentaries on this stuff, and they're talking
to her about it. You knowthere's gonna be a documentary. You know
there's gonna be a twenty twenty onthis. You know there's gonna be a
movie. I say, Scarlet Johanssonfor Karen Reid. That's my thought.
Christina has her own thoughts on thatcoming up. You know that we're going
to see a version of this withMarishka Hartegay on Law and Order, my
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wife's favorite TV show. By theway, this is not going to go
away for the next ten years.It's already been going on for eight weeks
and we still don't have a clearidea of what the hell happened. And
to be quite and look, I'mnot going to sit here and tell you
if she's guilty. I don't know. I don't know. Plus it's a
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little different than saying, you know, the Celtics are going to win the
championship and the Patriots are going towin the Super Bowl. They're talking about
somebody's life, making predictions about youknow, somebody's like, can you imagine
that on sports radio if they werebreaking down this trial, Oh my god,
oh, oh my god, thatwould be out of control. I'm
not gonna do that. We're justgonna talk to Chris, who's really been
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on this case. Coming up ateight fifteen here and again, follow on
TikTok, follow on Instagram and youcan get updated on what's happening with all
of this. Lot going on,Man, a lot going on with this
trial. It is fascinating. Itis made for TV stuff. And there
was an article in the Globe awhile back which was well timed and the
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point of the article was, Hey, remember somebody died here and now there
are two young people that have tobe cared for John o'keef died, and
we do lose sight of that whentalking about this because it's turned into a
rumor mill. People are talking aboutit, picking up their lottery tickets,
people are talking about it when they'regoing to their favorite pub. People are
talking about it wherever grocery store.And we almost talk about it like we're
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trying to figure out who's winning agame. And it's not a game.
It's not I mean, it's nota man died and from everything we've read,
an outstanding individual. So we needto keep that in mind. Today's
Juneteenth and not really the end ofslavery completely. And we will get into
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that with Mary Ella, the curatorof American Slavery and the co curator of
the exhibition Slavery and Freedom at theSmithsonian National Museum. So we're going to
talk to her about that. Alot of questions about it. It's just
never clear cut. It's just like, okay, Juneteenth, everybody's free,
you know. And one of theother things when I was doing some research
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on this, there was actually anarticle that was suggested well actually it was
General Order number three okay of theEmancipation Emancipation Proclamation. As I butchered that
with the freedom of slavery. GeneralLord number three encouraged newly freed slaves to
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stay with their owners. What ifI'm a slave, I'm gonna and I'm
free, I'm gonna stay with myowner, Frank and go. Yeah,
I was nothing personal that, youknow, I was basically your slave for
ten years. I'm going to hangaround. I mean, that's just sad,
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that's just laughable. So we'll talkabout that. Also. Peter Drummer,
the chief historian with the mass HistoricalSociety, we are going to talk
to him about Juneteenth in Massachusetts rolewith slavery. Celtics are NBA champs,
folks, Chris Gasper, my buddyfrom the Boston Globe, we are going
to talk about that. That's comingup at the ten o'clock hour. What
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can I tell you, It's awesome, It's just fantastic. It's phenomenal.
And this Celtics team has to bethe most likable team in NBA history.
I mean they are, they're allthey're great, Like there's not a bad
egg in the bunch. All right. This is really cool movie out.
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It's called Ephis and it features asmall town pair of Sunday League team.
Every Sunday, these two teams gettogether and they're playing the last game of
baseball on this field in their town, which is gonna be demolished for condos.
And film producer Carson Lunden and mybuddy actor Russ Gannon, who played
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second base in the film, It'sgonna join us to talk about this.
And it's a big deal because theywere invited to Cohn Yeses, that big
soiree over there in France and ateleven o'clock, my buddy entertainment reporter Cooper
Lawrence. We're gonna sit back andwe're gonna talk about the fun stuff.
We're gonna talk about Hollywood. Andone of the things is Instagram replacing the
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situation comedy. Is that where peoplego to laugh Now it's just on Instagram.
I do it, my wife doesit, my kids. You can
go on Instagram. The next thingyou know, you're on reels and you're
watching all of this funny stuff happening. I mean, if Everybody Loves Raymond
came out, now, would itmake it or would it lose out to
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Instagram? So those are just well, those are all of the topics we're
going to be talking about tonight righthere on nights Side, I'm Gary Tangway
filling in for Dan Ray. Weare going to get in to the trial
of the century year, the KarenReid murder trial. We're going to talk
to Christina Wrex of WBZTV. Comeout up next on wbz's Nightside. Now
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back to Dan Ray live from theWindow World night Side Studios on WBZ News
Radio. Eight weeks into Karen Reid'smurder trial and the prosecution is set to
rest its case by the end ofthe week. Karen Reid spoke to me
about it outside court. How doI feel about their case against me?
There is no case against me aftereight weeks. After eight weeks, it's
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smoke and mirrors, and it's goingthrough my private life and trying to contrive
a motive that was never there.She has something else. I'm telling you,
she is a television personality on trial. I mean that is Karen Reid
talking to Christina Rats, who joinsus right now from WBCTV. Right here
on WBC's Nightside, Gary Tangway feelingit for Dan Ray. Have you ever
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covered a personality like First of all, Christina, thanks for joining us of
course happy to Okay, have youever covered someone like her? No?
In fact, I mean it's veryvery rare to even have on camera access
to a defendant throughout the course oftheir trial. And if you do,
it's even more rare that they wouldspeak to you when you ask them a
question. But she is very,very willing to speak to us when we
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try. Just in a nutshell,if people are not familiar with the case
and not as in depth certainly asyou are, and that's why you're on
the show. I mean, KarenReid so I trial for the murder of
General Keith of Boston Police police officer, and either she did it or something
happened in a home that she leftto mat in Canton, mass So that's
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really what it comes down to.Either she did it, was he got
into a fight at a camp ina Canton home, and that's we're all
trying to figure out here. Sobut if you're if you're her attorney,
do you want her speaking like that? Do you want her coming out and
talking like this? Is this agood strategy? I mean, her attorneys
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are right there next to her whenshe speaks to the media, So you
know, even at the end ofthat SoundBite that you just played. She
spoke to me for a couple ofminutes, and then somebody said, Alan
wants you, which is her attorney, so they'll let her speak, and
then kind of cut her off attimes. She did hire I mean she
hired these attorneys. She has DavidYanetti, who's a Boston based attorney,
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but then she hired these two attorneysfrom La Los Angeles, Alan Jackson and
Elizabeth Little. And Alan Jackson,I mean he represented Kevin Spacey on trial.
He's this very camera forward, camerafriendly, you know, very California
attorney, and so I do soI do assume based on their behavior that
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being in front of cameras and notbeing shy is part of their public strategy.
Does she have the money for thisor do these guys show up and
they take it because of the publicity. I think it's a combination of both.
Based on some things I've heard,some things I've learned, I think,
I mean, there's definitely money,a lot of money being paid into
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this. But at the same time, you know, based on some other
defense attorneys who know these guys whoare spoken to, this is the kind
of case that somebody will take justbecause of the attention it gets at the
same time. Yeah, Chrisia Rich'sjoining us from wbctv's doing a great job
covering the Karen Reid murder trial,in which she's been accused of hitting and
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murdering John O'Keefe for her boyfriend anda Boston police officer. Do you have
trouble tuning out the noise? I'veseen you on Instagram. You do a
great job, you know, TikTok. The Globe runs these long articles where
you can get in the weeds,you know. Socially, people are talking
about this everywhere, And do youhave trouble keeping all of the he said?
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She said, text messages this andthat straight, so you can kind
of just hone in on the facts. So I think for me at this
point, being there every single day, keeping all of the he said,
she said, in the text andthe facts that are in court, I
can keep that straight because I havea technique with note taking in a way
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to remember these things at this point. I mean, at one point,
I literally drew a family tree,and then I asked our graphic department to
recreate the family tree so that Icould communicate to viewers who all these people
were. However, there's a lotof noise outside of court literally and on
social media. I mean, there'sa large, large group of people who
support the defendant here, Karen Reid, many of whom are outside of court
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every day, and many more ofwhom are posting on some social media every
day. And so for as manyfacts as are presented in court, there
is probably a matching rumor online.And I think part of the work of
covering this case is separating the two, and so very very often in my
story and my social media reports,I'm always saying, you know, if
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you heard this, the jury didnot. This is not something the jury
knows. Like for example, yesterdayI covered a hearing there and it was
a hearing that was basically a preliminaryhearing, so the jurors weren't there.
And as a part of it,some of the experts were talking about how
they actually did a study on thiscase because they were hired by the FBI
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to do so that is not somethingthe jury knows. They haven't been told
about an FBI investigation, and theyare not going to be told about an
FBI investigation. So kind of separatingout what everybody's talking about in the public
and what the jury is actually hearinghas been a challenge at times, but
it's something I'm consciously trying to do. Yeah, well, you're doing good
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job at it. I'll take youthat. Thank you. You know.
Is there any chance that this wasjust an accident, because that keeps coming
into the back of my mind.She backed up, she hit the guy
tragically, he was killed. Shedoesn't know it until she returns. Could
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this be just a plain old accident. I think that that's always a possibility.
I mean, you know, whenyou kind of said a couple of
minutes ago, what the case isthis or that The two absolute furthest ends
of this case are either Karen Reidmurdered John O'Keeffe intentionally with her car,
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or John O'Keefe was killed in somekind of fight inside that home from somebody
else and then his body left onthe lawn afterwards. Those are the two
extremes. I think there's a wholespectrum of possibilities in between those two for
what happened here, and certainly oneof those possibilities is that it could have
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been an accident. I mean,you've heard multiple people testify at this point,
and these were the women who KarenReid called the morning after when John
didn't come home. Multiple people havetestified saying, you know, she said,
I don't remember. I think Ilast saw him at the bar,
or I think I might have hithim. There's certainly some testimony there that
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the jury has heard that could leadthem to believe that it was an accident,
but it depends on if they believethose witnesses. What's your read on
the jury, So the jury hasgone down from seventeen to fifteen. We
don't know why two jurors were excused, and it's nine. It's now nine
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women and six men. The women, based on my view of them,
are kind of split in age,like a group of older women and a
group of younger women, with likeone or two in the middle. And
then the men are like mostly thirtiesforties age. It's a mostly white jury.
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There are a couple of Asian Americanmen on the jury, and up
until last week they were pretty hardto read. I mean, the first
seven weeks of trial, they hadunbelievable poker faces, very diligent note takers,
always listening, not showing any signsof boredom or reaction to testimony,
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and as far as my perception ofthem goes, I kind of saw that
switch when Trooper Michael Profter testified.And for anybody who didn't follow that,
he's the lead investigator on the case. He's a state trooper. He's the
person that the defense has really accusedof maybe covering up some kind of other
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crime to protect friends. So whenhe testified, it was frankly, less
about that cover up that the defenseis alleged and more about his text messages.
Oh, it was a character Theywent after his character, not the
details of the case, yes,exactly, whereas with other witnesses they discussed
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Trooper Proctor and his handling of thecase. With Trooper Proctor, it was
much more of a character conversation.Sure, messages from i mean his personal
phone, and they were revealing imean, swears, sexist comments about Karen
Reid, I mean, you nameit. He texted it and had to
read that aloud in court, somepretty shocking stuff. And that was when
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I noticed almost a break in thejury. You really started to see some
facial reactions at that point and eversince then. And it could be coincidental
because the trial's gone on so long. At this point, they seemed more
relaxed. During the breaks, They'rereally talking to each other a lot more
times. They are looking tired,and you're kind of seeing them loosen up
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in the last week and a halfbecause the and I don't want to misspeak
here, but I mean you haveto if you're on the jury. The
tough part here, I think thechallenges again every night. If I was
on the jury, every night whenI go to bed, I'd say,
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Okay, why am I here again? Okay. It's not because that Karen
Reid and John fought a lot.It's not because she has a very outgoing
personality. She can be very verbose, and because she has a history of
being very verbose and they have ahistory of fighting, and that the lead
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investigator made these comments which a lotof people make when they're in the workplace
on their personal phone about different things. They have to tune that stuff out
because again, it doesn't really haveanything to do with whether she did it
or not. That's the tough partof this. Yeah, I mean,
right, at the end of theday, the case isn't about Jen McCain's
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Google searches, right, It's abouta lot of Right, there's a lot
of testimony that has taken weeks andweeks and weeks to get through, and
there have been points hours to daysof testimony where you know, we're fully
learning about side issues in the case, and so you do kind of have
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to remember that the only the onlything the jury's trying to determine is did
she hit him with her car ornot. And at the same time,
there were so many people who interactedwith the two of them that night who
were the last people to see JohnO'Keeffe alive, that you know, you
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almost have to hear from all ofthem to figure out what happened. Yeah,
it's it's fascinating. Like I said, Murska Hardigay is going to be
doing this on Law and Order.I want to know who's going to play
you in the movie? You know, you're definitely, I'm sure you're going
to be in many documentaries. Peopleare going to be talking to you about
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this. This thing is just goingto live on for a long time because
it is an unbelievable story that iswritten for Hollywood. We got more with
Christina Rex coming up here on wbz'sNight Side and coming up to Karen re
take the stand it's on the wayw bz's Nightside Night Side with Dan Ray
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on WBZ, Boston's news radio.I'd like to fill in some holes and
correct some lies, but it's upto the attorneys and they'll make the call,
probably at the eleventh hour. Okay. That is Karen Reid, welcome
back to Nightside right here on wBZ Gary Tank and for Dan. And
that was taken from Christina Rex's Instagramaccount. If you oh, I know,
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and she was asked by Christina ifshe would testify on her own behalf
obviously in the murder trial of JohnO'Keefe, which is on trial for his
murder Boston police officer or was hemurdered inside a Canton home. That's the
that's the gest of it. We'retrying to tune out the noise. Christina
is shorting us here from WBCTV.Christina before I want to ask you about
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whether she should testify or not.But do you when you look at when
you to be dramatic, when youlook into her eyes, man, what
vibe do you get from her?What a question? Yeah, I mean
I'm just thinking about it, likeyou've been okay, you've been on this
thing. For like eight weeks,right, So yeah, yes, can
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you you know, because like whatI'm sitting there is I'm trying to figure
out is I'm looking on your Instagramaccount? Is she lying or not?
Because I'll tell you, she's verygood in front of a camera. She's
very confident, and she's very good. And here's the thing that it's just
so unusual is the only word Ican think of it. It's just so
unusual is that we're in this tinycourtroom right for this trial, and oftentimes
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it's really the only trial going onin the court house. And so when
there's a break, like a recessin court, everybody involved in the case
is running to the bathroom or runningan Errand I mean Karen Reid is running
around the courtroom just like her lawyersor the court reporter or any of the
security guards. Like I run intoher in the bathroom. I've heard she's
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called some medium members by their firstname, like hi, oh, she
calls me by my first names.That's good, that's hey, Christina.
How's your day going? Yes?What? Yes? And so just the
I can't overstate how unusual it isto not only have someone who's on trial
for murder. Who is so publicfacing, but who who just seems like
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anybody else who is there. Youknow, weane you know, I mean
I said that, not you,I mean, but you know, that's
the kind of thing. He's eithershe's so she's innocent and she has nothing
to hide, or you know,she's kind of loosen it. And the
thing is, the jury doesn't seeany of those interactions. Right when the
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jury's in the room, she's prettymuch stonefaced, looking straight ahead, watching
the witness, kind of purse lips, sometimes her hand resting on her chin.
As soon as the jury leaves thatroom, she's turning and talking to
her family. Sometimes she's laughing withher attorneys and her family. You know,
she's going to run to the restroomor something. I mean, the
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way she is so just normal,behaving like everybody else who's there in the
breaks from court is certainly unusual.And again the jury doesn't see that.
They don't know that, they don'tsee that. But it does feel like
serious mode goes on when they arein the room, the jury, and
then when they're not, she kindof relaxes. Maybe she loves the attention.
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I don't know, I mean,I don't know I can't speculate.
No, no, I know.I mean, I'm just saying, you
know, some people thrive on Imean, she's very good, like like,
and this springs the question if shouldshe testify? Now, let's talk
about the pros and cons with this. We won't come to a conclusion,
you know, but obviously she's verygood. You know, she's very good
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in front of the camera. Couldthe prosecution tie her up? How should
how would she handle herself? Doesshe need to testify? Because I don't
know if she needs there's so muchdoubt right now, right right, I
mean there's a lot of doubts.Still, she may not need to get
I think that's the biggest question here. So just to set the stage,
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I mean, to have a defendanttestify in their own defense at a murder
trial is very unusual. And Idon't know if you and I talked about
this. I'm in law school,and like the first thing we learned in
my criminal procedure class, do notlet your client testify. At the end
of the day, it is theclient's decision. So when Karen Reid tells
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me, you know, it's upto the attorneys. What she's saying is
I'm leaving the decision up to myattorneys. She did give the impression that
if she had the choice, shewould take the stand. She wants to
tell her story, but she's lettingher lawyers decide. I if I were
a betting woman, I would betthat she is not going to testify,
especially because her lawyer said his caseis only going to take three days.
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Right, she's on the stand,that's the whole day. Yeah, I
want to get to that too.But how about this for a theory.
She says, I'm willing to testify. I've got nothing to hide. The
lawyer plays the bad guy and says, no way, you're not testifying.
But in the court of public opinion, you go, well, hey,
she's willing to testify, so she'sprobably she's got nothing high. But like
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you said, the jury doesn't seethat. But let's talk about that for
a minute. YEP. I knowthat the jury they're supposed they're sequestered and
they're not supposed to be influenced byoutside media. But in this day and
age, isn't that impossible. Ihave a really hard time imagining how though
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every single day they come in thereand they say to the judge the judge
asked them, have you seen anything, did you seek anything out? Did
you do any outside research? Didyou happen to come across everything? And
they say no. Every day wouldanybody say yes? Though? You know
what I mean? I mean,I mean there have been people excused from
the jury, and you know,are you really would you really be fighting
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to be on a nine week jury. I don't know how many people want
jury duty for that long. Idid do it once. I will tell
you quicksidebar. I did do itonce. And the attorney at the end
of the day said, I didn'tthink you wanted to be there. I
gave you every reason to get out, and I knew it was only for
a day. I was fascinated.I loved it. It was it was
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like a duy. It was likea duy. I'd the same, Yeah,
it was, I was a dui. It was. But I was
like locked in. I mean,I was like I was taking notes.
I found it fat. People likeat five o'clock we couldn't come up with
it and no one could come toany conclusion. And I'm like, everybody's
like, geez tang wey, weall want to go home. My god,
let's go. I found the wholething to me fascinates me. So
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but yeah, does anybody want todo it for nine weeks? I don't
know, you know, but Imean, like, so they can't leave,
right, I mean you can't.How's that way my wife has done
it? I mean, I justin this day and age, I just
think it's hard not to be impactedsomehow, someway. So I have some
theories about this and I don't knowthis, so they're not to question as
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in they go home every night.See, I didn't know that. That
surprises me. Okay right now?Sorry quick opinion by Tanguy. It's impossible
for them not to be impacted bythe media. Impossible. It's seem possible,
very challenging. That's why I wonder. Part of me wonders is if
there's any way there's some conversation withthe court officers or the clerks or whoever
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interacts with them. You know,there's ways on social media and want not
to turn off to like block certaininformation from ever showing up in your feed,
And part of me wonders if thatis a strategy that the court employs,
because for me, I can't opena social media account without this case
popping up right now. I mean, look, your question about her testifying
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is that answer is everywhere? It'sright everywhere. So so you know,
I say, I'm on the jury, I go home one night and somebody
you know, it's oh, well, she said she's willing to testify.
How can they not hear? AndI'm not being accusatory. I'm just saying
this is I'm just saying they're human, that's all. Oh, certainly it's
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a huge ass, my god.And I'm sure they're doing the best they
can. But I mean it's yeah. And the thing is even in jury
selection, you know, the judgeasked potential jurors. She didn't say,
you know, you're only going toget picked if you've never heard of this
case. She said, this casehas received a lot of attention. I'm
not asking you to never have heardof it before. I'm asking if you
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feel like you have no opinion onit and could stay neutral and listen to
the evidence. Yeah, well yousaid it, Christina. I mean it
really turned when the state trooper whenthey dug up his phone. I mean,
how can that It shouldn't, buthow can that not have an impact
on somebody? I mean, youcould see it. That's the turning point
right now in the case. Allright, listen, we got more coming
up. I got some more questionshere regarding this. I have to ask
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you about the dog theory. I'mthat one. We got to get in,
we got to all the other stuff. So again, to wrap up
this segment, she's offered to testify, but you don't think that they're going
to let her test I don't thinkshe will. And we mentioned at the
top of the ard Christina does havea legal background. For some reasons,
he wants to be a lawyer.I don't know why. Every lawyer i'd
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met except one, hates it.But you know whatever, Dan Ray's a
lawyer for God's sakes. I mean, you know, uh, Christina your
journalist. Yeah, well, Imean it certainly helps if you're going to
be Dan Abrams, I think isthe best example. If you're going to
be a lawyer and a journalist.There you go. I just don't want
to see your phone number up ona billboard helping out personal injury people.
Christina rerects from WBCTV continues right afterthis on Night's side, regarding the Karrent
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Read case. Now back to DanRay, line from the Window World Night
Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.Or we'll be back again on Thursday for
a full day with the jury present, and the judge will make a decision
soon about those three witnesses are testifiedtoday. Plus I asked defense attorneys when
they expect to start their case.They say by Friday, and they anticipate
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it'll only take three days. InDebtim Christina Rex WBZ News and Christine joins
us right now here on WWC's NightsideGary Tangway for Dan Ray. She's covering
the Karen Reid murder case, whereReid is accused of killing John O'Keefe,
Boston police officer. I checked Christinaout on Instagram, also TikTok, and
also Cbsboston dot com and everywhere.She's everywhere. Channel four TV. You
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can do it the old fashioned wayand watch the TV if you want.
You could five and six every night. There you go. So, now
there's talk about a dog, allright, where the dog the dog may
have bit O'Keefe and it wasn't aresult of getting hit by the vehicle.
This German shepherd. Does this doghave any history of being violent? Yes?
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Okay, so let me give youthe Chloe breakdown. Okay, So
for anybody who is has not followedthis set closely. The homeowners at that
home, Nicole and Brian Albert.They had a dog, a German Shepherd
mixed named Chloe. They had adog at the time that this happened several
months after Sir John O'Keefe's death.I believe, if I remember correctly,
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in May twenty twenty two, thatdog, who apparently had issues with other
dogs, went after another dog andinjured that dog's owner in the process.
And so the dog did attack andas a result of that, the Albert
said that they rehomed the dog andshe now lived in Vermont, So she
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was rehomed from an attack that apparentlyhappened months after John o'keef's passing. Now,
the defense wants to call a doctorfrom California who would testify that she
believes that the injuries on John O'Keefe'sarm are dog bites and scratches and that
is not from a car, andthat is doctor Marie Russell. Right now,
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I just real quick here. Thiswoman is fascinating to me. She
was unbelievable, she was okay,she was a Malden police officer, went
to med school who became a doctor, then moved out West. She heard
about this case, called an offerto testify, the fact that she called
an offer to testify, does thathurt her credibility? I think that that's
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the question the judge is trying toanswer right now. So we're waiting to
hear from what the judge says tomorrowon whether or not doctor Russell could testify
and about what she can testify.If so, like she'll be limited most
likely because the judge when her potentialtestimony became an issue, the judge asked
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defense attorneys, how'd you find outabout this woman? And they said,
we reached out to her through anintermediary, which is true at the end
of the day. The way theymade contact is that they through a mutual
friend contacted her. That was,however, we learned after she saw a
Globe headline in her email, thoughthm, maybe I can help with this
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case. Reached out to a mutualconnection, who then alerted the defense attorneys
to her existence. And that wasin May May seventeenth, several weeks into
trial already, and Judge Canoni seemsto take issue with that and so I
do think that that is something thejudge is weighing in terms of whether or
not this doctor can testify. Imean, the judge said on Tuesday,
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you know, is she just somebodywho said as a headline, I want
to be a part of that.Well, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, she's fromhere, she's from the area.
We see this all the time.I look at these experts and quite frankly,
I watch too much Law and Order, and then you find out that
the experts are being paid and blahblah blah blah blah blah blah, you
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know, and all that stuff.But now regarding the FBI investigation of the
investigation, okay, which now yousay the jury isn't supposed to know about
but they're not so question So Idon't know how they don't know about it.
That's my comment. I'm not askingyou to comment on that. So
now they say the evidence regarding themore motor vehicle is inconsistent, right,
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Yes, So the defense has twoexpert witnesses who work for this independent accident
reconstruction company and they were hired bythe DOJ and the FBI to do basically
a redone accident reconstruction of this case, and they drafted or not drafted,
printed a fourteen page report of theirfindings. Now, to be clear,
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that report is not public yet,and we don't actually know all of their
findings. The one finding that wasread out loud in court is that they
cannot conclusively say that John O'Keefe's injurieswere the results of being hit by a
car. There are other determinations inthat report as well. You assume that
the report benefits the defense, giventhat the defense plans to call these witnesses.
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Okay, Christina, where we gotabout four minutes left here and I
could talk to you easily for anotherhour. What's going to happen on Thursday?
Okay, So Thursday, there's achance the Commonwealth wraps up its case
on Thursday. So Trooper Nicholas Guarinowill be back on the stand. He's
the state trooper who handled all ofthe phone extractions from the defending the victim
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and all the witnesses here. Hestarted on Tuesday testifying about text messages that
he extracted from John and Karen's phones, showing an argument they were having on
this day when John O'Keeffe passed away. We expect to hear more from him
regarding information, text messages, phonecalls, voicemails on those phones between John
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o'keeff and Karen Reid. And thenafter him, there's two medical examiners who
are going to testify about John O'Keeffe'sinjuries, and those are believed or expected
to be the final witnesses for theCommonwealth. So if we get through those
three witnesses on Thursday, the Commonwealthwill rest and it'll be the defense's turn
to start their case. Yeah,not a shot, you don't think,
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No way, they won't get throughit. No. I asked Alan Jackson
this though. I asked Alan Jacksonthis the other day and he said,
you've seen and he's right. Themedical testimony is pretty quick compared to other
witnesses. Oh okay, I meanyou're asking them about such a hyper specific
thing that there's a chance it's notas long as some of these other witnesses
you've heard from. Well, I'moften wrong, so that's probably the case.
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And then with this three days tomake their case by the defense,
is he is that just jargon oris he just you know, pumping his
tires or what do you think?I mean? At first he said five
days, then he said four,and now he says three. And the
thing is, so the prexcusion getsthe chance to make their case, it's
called their case in chief, andthen the defense does. But you've seen
the defense is making their case throughoutthe course of this whole trial on cross
examination. So a lot of thewitnesses that the defense would have called already
(37:30):
testified, and they already got achance to cross examine them. So at
the end of the day, youknow, who are we expecting from the
defense? This plow driver who theyinterviewed, who's expected to testify that he
plowed that road that night and didnot see John o'hue's body on the front
lawn. And then those accidive reconstructionexperts are going to testify about whether or
not this is a car accident.That doctor, if she's allowed to testify
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about potential dog bites, a fewother experts, a cell phone expert who's
going to testify for the defense.So their witnessless is far far shorter than
the States, and so it's hardto know, but I think I think
that Alan Jackson really does think iscasably take three days. Christina rex Thank
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you very much. You're doing agreat job. Check her out on WBCTV
Channel four, CBS News Boston,TikTok, and Instagram. We will be
following this case and Christina, thankyou for joining us tonight on Nightside.
Thanks for having me. Okay,take care boy. As I this case
is unbelievable and I don't know.I'm not going to sit here and I'm
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not going to tell you guilty notguilty, or I don't think it's fair.
I don't know. The one thingthat I do wonder is on either
side was it accidental? If youwent inside the house there was an altercation,
a fight, was the actual deathaccidental? Like I don't know,
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anybody intend to kill John O'Keefe.That's the thing. On either side,
was it accidental? That's the questionI have. I don't know, but
great job, Christina Rex and againour condolences to John O'Keefe's family. Okay,
time for a check on who's Algriffeth. We're back at on the other
side on Juneteenth,
It's NIC's eyes. I'm telling youeasy Boston's News Radio. He's much better
looking, even though he's a hellof a lot older than me. Take
that day on, Okay, Dan'sgot the day off just like everybody else
because of June teeth, Gary Tangoyhere as you just heard Susanna mention,
and this is night's side. Ilove coming in and doing this show.
(00:22):
We've got Rob Brooks, he's producing. Karen Bussemi. Who Hey, Rob,
can I ask you a question?I didn't want to ask Karen this.
Karen is also producing. She liesup all the gas, keeps everything
ordered, and he keeps everything organizedso the show would be a train wreck.
Is she related to Steve Buscemi?I wanted to ask if I felt
(00:43):
kind of weird. I was hopingshe was, But anyways, I digress.
I love coming into doing this show. Get out of the house,
get behind a mic, talk aboutsome cool stuff, not just sports.
I did sports forever. We aregoing to talk some sports tonight, but
we are just gonna run the gamutwhen it comes with the topics. We
(01:03):
know what's hot out. Please becareful. You just heard Mike Macklin.
I said it hasn't been this hotin one hundred years here in Boston,
and I believe it. I didlook this up, and I'm not into
the global warming thing. I'm notgonna argue that one way or another.
Alaska the temperature has increased four pointthree degrees, Delaware three point six.
(01:25):
Massachusetts is number three, number threeon the list when it comes to getting
warmer. So there's an air qualityissue right now, especially for tomorrow,
so be careful out there. Onthe show tonight, I'm very excited to
talk to Christina Rex of WBZTV.I think she is one of the most
(01:46):
outstanding reporters in this city. Shehas a legal background, she's very smart,
she's very intelligent. You have tofollow her on TikTok, also on
the IG the old insta where shedoes these terrific summaries of what's going on
with the Karen Reid murder trial,which I'm mucked in on and I'm still
confused. I was at a partyover the weekend and we just started to
(02:09):
talk about it, and there werepeople who were from the area of where
this incident took place, and Istarted to hear all kinds of theories that
I hadn't read about and I said, no, no, no, don't
put these in my head. Donot put all of these theories in my
head. There's so many theories.I can't keep it straight. What the
(02:30):
defense is saying, what the prosecutionis saying, what people are saying.
The rumors are flying around. They'recrazy here. It is either she hit
John o'keefan killed them, or hewent inside the house on Fairview Road and
got in the fight and somebody insidekilled them. That's what I just have
to keep that in my head.But as Christina would tell you, I
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mean, our people are already doingdocumentaries on this stuff, and they're talking
to her about it. You knowthere's gonna be a documentary. You know
there's gonna be a twenty twenty onthis. You know there's gonna be a
movie. I say, Scarlet Johanssonfor Karen Reid. That's my thought.
Christina has her own thoughts on thatcoming up. You know that we're going
to see a version of this withMarishka Hartegay on Law and Order, my
(03:16):
wife's favorite TV show. By theway, this is not going to go
away for the next ten years.It's already been going on for eight weeks
and we still don't have a clearidea of what the hell happened. And
to be quite and look, I'mnot going to sit here and tell you
if she's guilty. I don't know. I don't know. Plus it's a
(03:38):
little different than saying, you know, the Celtics are going to win the
championship and the Patriots are going towin the Super Bowl. They're talking about
somebody's life, making predictions about youknow, somebody's like, can you imagine
that on sports radio if they werebreaking down this trial, Oh my god,
oh, oh my god, thatwould be out of control. I'm
not gonna do that. We're justgonna talk to Chris, who's really been
(04:00):
on this case. Coming up ateight fifteen here and again, follow on
TikTok, follow on Instagram and youcan get updated on what's happening with all
of this. Lot going on,Man, a lot going on with this
trial. It is fascinating. Itis made for TV stuff. And there
was an article in the Globe awhile back which was well timed and the
(04:23):
point of the article was, Hey, remember somebody died here and now there
are two young people that have tobe cared for John o'keef died, and
we do lose sight of that whentalking about this because it's turned into a
rumor mill. People are talking aboutit, picking up their lottery tickets,
people are talking about it when they'regoing to their favorite pub. People are
talking about it wherever grocery store.And we almost talk about it like we're
(04:46):
trying to figure out who's winning agame. And it's not a game.
It's not I mean, it's nota man died and from everything we've read,
an outstanding individual. So we needto keep that in mind. Today's
Juneteenth and not really the end ofslavery completely. And we will get into
(05:06):
that with Mary Ella, the curatorof American Slavery and the co curator of
the exhibition Slavery and Freedom at theSmithsonian National Museum. So we're going to
talk to her about that. Alot of questions about it. It's just
never clear cut. It's just like, okay, Juneteenth, everybody's free,
you know. And one of theother things when I was doing some research
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on this, there was actually anarticle that was suggested well actually it was
General Order number three okay of theEmancipation Emancipation Proclamation. As I butchered that
with the freedom of slavery. GeneralLord number three encouraged newly freed slaves to
(05:47):
stay with their owners. What ifI'm a slave, I'm gonna and I'm
free, I'm gonna stay with myowner, Frank and go. Yeah,
I was nothing personal that, youknow, I was basically your slave for
ten years. I'm going to hangaround. I mean, that's just sad,
(06:08):
that's just laughable. So we'll talkabout that. Also. Peter Drummer,
the chief historian with the mass HistoricalSociety, we are going to talk
to him about Juneteenth in Massachusetts rolewith slavery. Celtics are NBA champs,
folks, Chris Gasper, my buddyfrom the Boston Globe, we are going
to talk about that. That's comingup at the ten o'clock hour. What
(06:30):
can I tell you, It's awesome, It's just fantastic. It's phenomenal.
And this Celtics team has to bethe most likable team in NBA history.
I mean they are, they're allthey're great, Like there's not a bad
egg in the bunch. All right. This is really cool movie out.
(06:54):
It's called Ephis and it features asmall town pair of Sunday League team.
Every Sunday, these two teams gettogether and they're playing the last game of
baseball on this field in their town, which is gonna be demolished for condos.
And film producer Carson Lunden and mybuddy actor Russ Gannon, who played
(07:15):
second base in the film, It'sgonna join us to talk about this.
And it's a big deal because theywere invited to Cohn Yeses, that big
soiree over there in France and ateleven o'clock, my buddy entertainment reporter Cooper
Lawrence. We're gonna sit back andwe're gonna talk about the fun stuff.
We're gonna talk about Hollywood. Andone of the things is Instagram replacing the
(07:36):
situation comedy. Is that where peoplego to laugh Now it's just on Instagram.
I do it, my wife doesit, my kids. You can
go on Instagram. The next thingyou know, you're on reels and you're
watching all of this funny stuff happening. I mean, if Everybody Loves Raymond
came out, now, would itmake it or would it lose out to
(07:58):
Instagram? So those are just well, those are all of the topics we're
going to be talking about tonight righthere on nights Side, I'm Gary Tangway
filling in for Dan Ray. Weare going to get in to the trial
of the century year, the KarenReid murder trial. We're going to talk
to Christina Wrex of WBZTV. Comeout up next on wbz's Nightside. Now
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back to Dan Ray live from theWindow World night Side Studios on WBZ News
Radio. Eight weeks into Karen Reid'smurder trial and the prosecution is set to
rest its case by the end ofthe week. Karen Reid spoke to me
about it outside court. How doI feel about their case against me?
There is no case against me aftereight weeks. After eight weeks, it's
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smoke and mirrors, and it's goingthrough my private life and trying to contrive
a motive that was never there.She has something else. I'm telling you,
she is a television personality on trial. I mean that is Karen Reid
talking to Christina Rats, who joinsus right now from WBCTV. Right here
on WBC's Nightside, Gary Tangway feelingit for Dan Ray. Have you ever
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covered a personality like First of all, Christina, thanks for joining us of
course happy to Okay, have youever covered someone like her? No?
In fact, I mean it's veryvery rare to even have on camera access
to a defendant throughout the course oftheir trial. And if you do,
it's even more rare that they wouldspeak to you when you ask them a
question. But she is very,very willing to speak to us when we
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try. Just in a nutshell,if people are not familiar with the case
and not as in depth certainly asyou are, and that's why you're on
the show. I mean, KarenReid so I trial for the murder of
General Keith of Boston Police police officer, and either she did it or something
happened in a home that she leftto mat in Canton, mass So that's
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really what it comes down to.Either she did it, was he got
into a fight at a camp ina Canton home, and that's we're all
trying to figure out here. Sobut if you're if you're her attorney,
do you want her speaking like that? Do you want her coming out and
talking like this? Is this agood strategy? I mean, her attorneys
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are right there next to her whenshe speaks to the media, So you
know, even at the end ofthat SoundBite that you just played. She
spoke to me for a couple ofminutes, and then somebody said, Alan
wants you, which is her attorney, so they'll let her speak, and
then kind of cut her off attimes. She did hire I mean she
hired these attorneys. She has DavidYanetti, who's a Boston based attorney,
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but then she hired these two attorneysfrom La Los Angeles, Alan Jackson and
Elizabeth Little. And Alan Jackson,I mean he represented Kevin Spacey on trial.
He's this very camera forward, camerafriendly, you know, very California
attorney, and so I do soI do assume based on their behavior that
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being in front of cameras and notbeing shy is part of their public strategy.
Does she have the money for thisor do these guys show up and
they take it because of the publicity. I think it's a combination of both.
Based on some things I've heard,some things I've learned, I think,
I mean, there's definitely money,a lot of money being paid into
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this. But at the same time, you know, based on some other
defense attorneys who know these guys whoare spoken to, this is the kind
of case that somebody will take justbecause of the attention it gets at the
same time. Yeah, Chrisia Rich'sjoining us from wbctv's doing a great job
covering the Karen Reid murder trial,in which she's been accused of hitting and
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murdering John O'Keefe for her boyfriend anda Boston police officer. Do you have
trouble tuning out the noise? I'veseen you on Instagram. You do a
great job, you know, TikTok. The Globe runs these long articles where
you can get in the weeds,you know. Socially, people are talking
about this everywhere, And do youhave trouble keeping all of the he said?
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She said, text messages this andthat straight, so you can kind
of just hone in on the facts. So I think for me at this
point, being there every single day, keeping all of the he said,
she said, in the text andthe facts that are in court, I
can keep that straight because I havea technique with note taking in a way
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to remember these things at this point. I mean, at one point,
I literally drew a family tree,and then I asked our graphic department to
recreate the family tree so that Icould communicate to viewers who all these people
were. However, there's a lotof noise outside of court literally and on
social media. I mean, there'sa large, large group of people who
support the defendant here, Karen Reid, many of whom are outside of court
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every day, and many more ofwhom are posting on some social media every
day. And so for as manyfacts as are presented in court, there
is probably a matching rumor online.And I think part of the work of
covering this case is separating the two, and so very very often in my
story and my social media reports,I'm always saying, you know, if
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you heard this, the jury didnot. This is not something the jury
knows. Like for example, yesterdayI covered a hearing there and it was
a hearing that was basically a preliminaryhearing, so the jurors weren't there.
And as a part of it,some of the experts were talking about how
they actually did a study on thiscase because they were hired by the FBI
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to do so that is not somethingthe jury knows. They haven't been told
about an FBI investigation, and theyare not going to be told about an
FBI investigation. So kind of separatingout what everybody's talking about in the public
and what the jury is actually hearinghas been a challenge at times, but
it's something I'm consciously trying to do. Yeah, well, you're doing good
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job at it. I'll take youthat. Thank you. You know.
Is there any chance that this wasjust an accident, because that keeps coming
into the back of my mind.She backed up, she hit the guy
tragically, he was killed. Shedoesn't know it until she returns. Could
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this be just a plain old accident. I think that that's always a possibility.
I mean, you know, whenyou kind of said a couple of
minutes ago, what the case isthis or that The two absolute furthest ends
of this case are either Karen Reidmurdered John O'Keeffe intentionally with her car,
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or John O'Keefe was killed in somekind of fight inside that home from somebody
else and then his body left onthe lawn afterwards. Those are the two
extremes. I think there's a wholespectrum of possibilities in between those two for
what happened here, and certainly oneof those possibilities is that it could have
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been an accident. I mean,you've heard multiple people testify at this point,
and these were the women who KarenReid called the morning after when John
didn't come home. Multiple people havetestified saying, you know, she said,
I don't remember. I think Ilast saw him at the bar,
or I think I might have hithim. There's certainly some testimony there that
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the jury has heard that could leadthem to believe that it was an accident,
but it depends on if they believethose witnesses. What's your read on
the jury, So the jury hasgone down from seventeen to fifteen. We
don't know why two jurors were excused, and it's nine. It's now nine
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women and six men. The women, based on my view of them,
are kind of split in age,like a group of older women and a
group of younger women, with likeone or two in the middle. And
then the men are like mostly thirtiesforties age. It's a mostly white jury.
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There are a couple of Asian Americanmen on the jury, and up
until last week they were pretty hardto read. I mean, the first
seven weeks of trial, they hadunbelievable poker faces, very diligent note takers,
always listening, not showing any signsof boredom or reaction to testimony,
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and as far as my perception ofthem goes, I kind of saw that
switch when Trooper Michael Profter testified.And for anybody who didn't follow that,
he's the lead investigator on the case. He's a state trooper. He's the
person that the defense has really accusedof maybe covering up some kind of other
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crime to protect friends. So whenhe testified, it was frankly, less
about that cover up that the defenseis alleged and more about his text messages.
Oh, it was a character Theywent after his character, not the
details of the case, yes,exactly, whereas with other witnesses they discussed
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Trooper Proctor and his handling of thecase. With Trooper Proctor, it was
much more of a character conversation.Sure, messages from i mean his personal
phone, and they were revealing imean, swears, sexist comments about Karen
Reid, I mean, you nameit. He texted it and had to
read that aloud in court, somepretty shocking stuff. And that was when
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I noticed almost a break in thejury. You really started to see some
facial reactions at that point and eversince then. And it could be coincidental
because the trial's gone on so long. At this point, they seemed more
relaxed. During the breaks, They'rereally talking to each other a lot more
times. They are looking tired,and you're kind of seeing them loosen up
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in the last week and a halfbecause the and I don't want to misspeak
here, but I mean you haveto if you're on the jury. The
tough part here, I think thechallenges again every night. If I was
on the jury, every night whenI go to bed, I'd say,
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Okay, why am I here again? Okay. It's not because that Karen
Reid and John fought a lot.It's not because she has a very outgoing
personality. She can be very verbose, and because she has a history of
being very verbose and they have ahistory of fighting, and that the lead
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investigator made these comments which a lotof people make when they're in the workplace
on their personal phone about different things. They have to tune that stuff out
because again, it doesn't really haveanything to do with whether she did it
or not. That's the tough partof this. Yeah, I mean,
right, at the end of theday, the case isn't about Jen McCain's
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Google searches, right, It's abouta lot of Right, there's a lot
of testimony that has taken weeks andweeks and weeks to get through, and
there have been points hours to daysof testimony where you know, we're fully
learning about side issues in the case, and so you do kind of have
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to remember that the only the onlything the jury's trying to determine is did
she hit him with her car ornot. And at the same time,
there were so many people who interactedwith the two of them that night who
were the last people to see JohnO'Keeffe alive, that you know, you
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almost have to hear from all ofthem to figure out what happened. Yeah,
it's it's fascinating. Like I said, Murska Hardigay is going to be
doing this on Law and Order.I want to know who's going to play
you in the movie? You know, you're definitely, I'm sure you're going
to be in many documentaries. Peopleare going to be talking to you about
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this. This thing is just goingto live on for a long time because
it is an unbelievable story that iswritten for Hollywood. We got more with
Christina Rex coming up here on wbz'sNight Side and coming up to Karen re
take the stand it's on the wayw bz's Nightside Night Side with Dan Ray
(20:38):
on WBZ, Boston's news radio.I'd like to fill in some holes and
correct some lies, but it's upto the attorneys and they'll make the call,
probably at the eleventh hour. Okay. That is Karen Reid, welcome
back to Nightside right here on wBZ Gary Tank and for Dan. And
that was taken from Christina Rex's Instagramaccount. If you oh, I know,
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and she was asked by Christina ifshe would testify on her own behalf
obviously in the murder trial of JohnO'Keefe, which is on trial for his
murder Boston police officer or was hemurdered inside a Canton home. That's the
that's the gest of it. We'retrying to tune out the noise. Christina
is shorting us here from WBCTV.Christina before I want to ask you about
(21:23):
whether she should testify or not.But do you when you look at when
you to be dramatic, when youlook into her eyes, man, what
vibe do you get from her?What a question? Yeah, I mean
I'm just thinking about it, likeyou've been okay, you've been on this
thing. For like eight weeks,right, So yeah, yes, can
(21:44):
you you know, because like whatI'm sitting there is I'm trying to figure
out is I'm looking on your Instagramaccount? Is she lying or not?
Because I'll tell you, she's verygood in front of a camera. She's
very confident, and she's very good. And here's the thing that it's just
so unusual is the only word Ican think of it. It's just so
unusual is that we're in this tinycourtroom right for this trial, and oftentimes
(22:11):
it's really the only trial going onin the court house. And so when
there's a break, like a recessin court, everybody involved in the case
is running to the bathroom or runningan Errand I mean Karen Reid is running
around the courtroom just like her lawyersor the court reporter or any of the
security guards. Like I run intoher in the bathroom. I've heard she's
(22:36):
called some medium members by their firstname, like hi, oh, she
calls me by my first names.That's good, that's hey, Christina.
How's your day going? Yes?What? Yes? And so just the
I can't overstate how unusual it isto not only have someone who's on trial
for murder. Who is so publicfacing, but who who just seems like
(23:00):
anybody else who is there. Youknow, weane you know, I mean
I said that, not you,I mean, but you know, that's
the kind of thing. He's eithershe's so she's innocent and she has nothing
to hide, or you know,she's kind of loosen it. And the
thing is, the jury doesn't seeany of those interactions. Right when the
(23:22):
jury's in the room, she's prettymuch stonefaced, looking straight ahead, watching
the witness, kind of purse lips, sometimes her hand resting on her chin.
As soon as the jury leaves thatroom, she's turning and talking to
her family. Sometimes she's laughing withher attorneys and her family. You know,
she's going to run to the restroomor something. I mean, the
(23:47):
way she is so just normal,behaving like everybody else who's there in the
breaks from court is certainly unusual.And again the jury doesn't see that.
They don't know that, they don'tsee that. But it does feel like
serious mode goes on when they arein the room, the jury, and
then when they're not, she kindof relaxes. Maybe she loves the attention.
(24:14):
I don't know, I mean,I don't know I can't speculate.
No, no, I know.I mean, I'm just saying, you
know, some people thrive on Imean, she's very good, like like,
and this springs the question if shouldshe testify? Now, let's talk
about the pros and cons with this. We won't come to a conclusion,
you know, but obviously she's verygood. You know, she's very good
(24:34):
in front of the camera. Couldthe prosecution tie her up? How should
how would she handle herself? Doesshe need to testify? Because I don't
know if she needs there's so muchdoubt right now, right right, I
mean there's a lot of doubts.Still, she may not need to get
I think that's the biggest question here. So just to set the stage,
(24:56):
I mean, to have a defendanttestify in their own defense at a murder
trial is very unusual. And Idon't know if you and I talked about
this. I'm in law school,and like the first thing we learned in
my criminal procedure class, do notlet your client testify. At the end
of the day, it is theclient's decision. So when Karen Reid tells
(25:19):
me, you know, it's upto the attorneys. What she's saying is
I'm leaving the decision up to myattorneys. She did give the impression that
if she had the choice, shewould take the stand. She wants to
tell her story, but she's lettingher lawyers decide. I if I were
a betting woman, I would betthat she is not going to testify,
especially because her lawyer said his caseis only going to take three days.
(25:42):
Right, she's on the stand,that's the whole day. Yeah, I
want to get to that too.But how about this for a theory.
She says, I'm willing to testify. I've got nothing to hide. The
lawyer plays the bad guy and says, no way, you're not testifying.
But in the court of public opinion, you go, well, hey,
she's willing to testify, so she'sprobably she's got nothing high. But like
(26:03):
you said, the jury doesn't seethat. But let's talk about that for
a minute. YEP. I knowthat the jury they're supposed they're sequestered and
they're not supposed to be influenced byoutside media. But in this day and
age, isn't that impossible. Ihave a really hard time imagining how though
(26:23):
every single day they come in thereand they say to the judge the judge
asked them, have you seen anything, did you seek anything out? Did
you do any outside research? Didyou happen to come across everything? And
they say no. Every day wouldanybody say yes? Though? You know
what I mean? I mean,I mean there have been people excused from
the jury, and you know,are you really would you really be fighting
(26:45):
to be on a nine week jury. I don't know how many people want
jury duty for that long. Idid do it once. I will tell
you quicksidebar. I did do itonce. And the attorney at the end
of the day said, I didn'tthink you wanted to be there. I
gave you every reason to get out, and I knew it was only for
a day. I was fascinated.I loved it. It was it was
(27:06):
like a duy. It was likea duy. I'd the same, Yeah,
it was, I was a dui. It was. But I was
like locked in. I mean,I was like I was taking notes.
I found it fat. People likeat five o'clock we couldn't come up with
it and no one could come toany conclusion. And I'm like, everybody's
like, geez tang wey, weall want to go home. My god,
let's go. I found the wholething to me fascinates me. So
(27:27):
but yeah, does anybody want todo it for nine weeks? I don't
know, you know, but Imean, like, so they can't leave,
right, I mean you can't.How's that way my wife has done
it? I mean, I justin this day and age, I just
think it's hard not to be impactedsomehow, someway. So I have some
theories about this and I don't knowthis, so they're not to question as
(27:48):
in they go home every night.See, I didn't know that. That
surprises me. Okay right now?Sorry quick opinion by Tanguy. It's impossible
for them not to be impacted bythe media. Impossible. It's seem possible,
very challenging. That's why I wonder. Part of me wonders is if
there's any way there's some conversation withthe court officers or the clerks or whoever
(28:12):
interacts with them. You know,there's ways on social media and want not
to turn off to like block certaininformation from ever showing up in your feed,
And part of me wonders if thatis a strategy that the court employs,
because for me, I can't opena social media account without this case
popping up right now. I mean, look, your question about her testifying
(28:36):
is that answer is everywhere? It'sright everywhere. So so you know,
I say, I'm on the jury, I go home one night and somebody
you know, it's oh, well, she said she's willing to testify.
How can they not hear? AndI'm not being accusatory. I'm just saying
this is I'm just saying they're human, that's all. Oh, certainly it's
(28:59):
a huge ass, my god.And I'm sure they're doing the best they
can. But I mean it's yeah. And the thing is even in jury
selection, you know, the judgeasked potential jurors. She didn't say,
you know, you're only going toget picked if you've never heard of this
case. She said, this casehas received a lot of attention. I'm
not asking you to never have heardof it before. I'm asking if you
(29:21):
feel like you have no opinion onit and could stay neutral and listen to
the evidence. Yeah, well yousaid it, Christina. I mean it
really turned when the state trooper whenthey dug up his phone. I mean,
how can that It shouldn't, buthow can that not have an impact
on somebody? I mean, youcould see it. That's the turning point
right now in the case. Allright, listen, we got more coming
up. I got some more questionshere regarding this. I have to ask
(29:45):
you about the dog theory. I'mthat one. We got to get in,
we got to all the other stuff. So again, to wrap up
this segment, she's offered to testify, but you don't think that they're going
to let her test I don't thinkshe will. And we mentioned at the
top of the ard Christina does havea legal background. For some reasons,
he wants to be a lawyer.I don't know why. Every lawyer i'd
(30:06):
met except one, hates it.But you know whatever, Dan Ray's a
lawyer for God's sakes. I mean, you know, uh, Christina your
journalist. Yeah, well, Imean it certainly helps if you're going to
be Dan Abrams, I think isthe best example. If you're going to
be a lawyer and a journalist.There you go. I just don't want
to see your phone number up ona billboard helping out personal injury people.
Christina rerects from WBCTV continues right afterthis on Night's side, regarding the Karrent
(30:32):
Read case. Now back to DanRay, line from the Window World Night
Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.Or we'll be back again on Thursday for
a full day with the jury present, and the judge will make a decision
soon about those three witnesses are testifiedtoday. Plus I asked defense attorneys when
they expect to start their case.They say by Friday, and they anticipate
(30:55):
it'll only take three days. InDebtim Christina Rex WBZ News and Christine joins
us right now here on WWC's NightsideGary Tangway for Dan Ray. She's covering
the Karen Reid murder case, whereReid is accused of killing John O'Keefe,
Boston police officer. I checked Christinaout on Instagram, also TikTok, and
also Cbsboston dot com and everywhere.She's everywhere. Channel four TV. You
(31:19):
can do it the old fashioned wayand watch the TV if you want.
You could five and six every night. There you go. So, now
there's talk about a dog, allright, where the dog the dog may
have bit O'Keefe and it wasn't aresult of getting hit by the vehicle.
This German shepherd. Does this doghave any history of being violent? Yes?
(31:41):
Okay, so let me give youthe Chloe breakdown. Okay, So
for anybody who is has not followedthis set closely. The homeowners at that
home, Nicole and Brian Albert.They had a dog, a German Shepherd
mixed named Chloe. They had adog at the time that this happened several
months after Sir John O'Keefe's death.I believe, if I remember correctly,
(32:01):
in May twenty twenty two, thatdog, who apparently had issues with other
dogs, went after another dog andinjured that dog's owner in the process.
And so the dog did attack andas a result of that, the Albert
said that they rehomed the dog andshe now lived in Vermont, So she
(32:22):
was rehomed from an attack that apparentlyhappened months after John o'keef's passing. Now,
the defense wants to call a doctorfrom California who would testify that she
believes that the injuries on John O'Keefe'sarm are dog bites and scratches and that
is not from a car, andthat is doctor Marie Russell. Right now,
(32:45):
I just real quick here. Thiswoman is fascinating to me. She
was unbelievable, she was okay,she was a Malden police officer, went
to med school who became a doctor, then moved out West. She heard
about this case, called an offerto testify, the fact that she called
an offer to testify, does thathurt her credibility? I think that that's
(33:08):
the question the judge is trying toanswer right now. So we're waiting to
hear from what the judge says tomorrowon whether or not doctor Russell could testify
and about what she can testify.If so, like she'll be limited most
likely because the judge when her potentialtestimony became an issue, the judge asked
(33:29):
defense attorneys, how'd you find outabout this woman? And they said,
we reached out to her through anintermediary, which is true at the end
of the day. The way theymade contact is that they through a mutual
friend contacted her. That was,however, we learned after she saw a
Globe headline in her email, thoughthm, maybe I can help with this
(33:51):
case. Reached out to a mutualconnection, who then alerted the defense attorneys
to her existence. And that wasin May May seventeenth, several weeks into
trial already, and Judge Canoni seemsto take issue with that and so I
do think that that is something thejudge is weighing in terms of whether or
not this doctor can testify. Imean, the judge said on Tuesday,
(34:14):
you know, is she just somebodywho said as a headline, I want
to be a part of that.Well, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, she's fromhere, she's from the area.
We see this all the time.I look at these experts and quite frankly,
I watch too much Law and Order, and then you find out that
the experts are being paid and blahblah blah blah blah blah blah, you
(34:34):
know, and all that stuff.But now regarding the FBI investigation of the
investigation, okay, which now yousay the jury isn't supposed to know about
but they're not so question So Idon't know how they don't know about it.
That's my comment. I'm not askingyou to comment on that. So
now they say the evidence regarding themore motor vehicle is inconsistent, right,
(34:55):
Yes, So the defense has twoexpert witnesses who work for this independent accident
reconstruction company and they were hired bythe DOJ and the FBI to do basically
a redone accident reconstruction of this case, and they drafted or not drafted,
printed a fourteen page report of theirfindings. Now, to be clear,
(35:17):
that report is not public yet,and we don't actually know all of their
findings. The one finding that wasread out loud in court is that they
cannot conclusively say that John O'Keefe's injurieswere the results of being hit by a
car. There are other determinations inthat report as well. You assume that
the report benefits the defense, giventhat the defense plans to call these witnesses.
(35:39):
Okay, Christina, where we gotabout four minutes left here and I
could talk to you easily for anotherhour. What's going to happen on Thursday?
Okay, So Thursday, there's achance the Commonwealth wraps up its case
on Thursday. So Trooper Nicholas Guarinowill be back on the stand. He's
the state trooper who handled all ofthe phone extractions from the defending the victim
(36:00):
and all the witnesses here. Hestarted on Tuesday testifying about text messages that
he extracted from John and Karen's phones, showing an argument they were having on
this day when John O'Keeffe passed away. We expect to hear more from him
regarding information, text messages, phonecalls, voicemails on those phones between John
(36:22):
o'keeff and Karen Reid. And thenafter him, there's two medical examiners who
are going to testify about John O'Keeffe'sinjuries, and those are believed or expected
to be the final witnesses for theCommonwealth. So if we get through those
three witnesses on Thursday, the Commonwealthwill rest and it'll be the defense's turn
to start their case. Yeah,not a shot, you don't think,
(36:43):
No way, they won't get throughit. No. I asked Alan Jackson
this though. I asked Alan Jacksonthis the other day and he said,
you've seen and he's right. Themedical testimony is pretty quick compared to other
witnesses. Oh okay, I meanyou're asking them about such a hyper specific
thing that there's a chance it's notas long as some of these other witnesses
you've heard from. Well, I'moften wrong, so that's probably the case.
(37:06):
And then with this three days tomake their case by the defense,
is he is that just jargon oris he just you know, pumping his
tires or what do you think?I mean? At first he said five
days, then he said four,and now he says three. And the
thing is, so the prexcusion getsthe chance to make their case, it's
called their case in chief, andthen the defense does. But you've seen
the defense is making their case throughoutthe course of this whole trial on cross
examination. So a lot of thewitnesses that the defense would have called already
(37:30):
testified, and they already got achance to cross examine them. So at
the end of the day, youknow, who are we expecting from the
defense? This plow driver who theyinterviewed, who's expected to testify that he
plowed that road that night and didnot see John o'hue's body on the front
lawn. And then those accidive reconstructionexperts are going to testify about whether or
not this is a car accident.That doctor, if she's allowed to testify
(37:52):
about potential dog bites, a fewother experts, a cell phone expert who's
going to testify for the defense.So their witnessless is far far shorter than
the States, and so it's hardto know, but I think I think
that Alan Jackson really does think iscasably take three days. Christina rex Thank
(38:14):
you very much. You're doing agreat job. Check her out on WBCTV
Channel four, CBS News Boston,TikTok, and Instagram. We will be
following this case and Christina, thankyou for joining us tonight on Nightside.
Thanks for having me. Okay,take care boy. As I this case
is unbelievable and I don't know.I'm not going to sit here and I'm
(38:36):
not going to tell you guilty notguilty, or I don't think it's fair.
I don't know. The one thingthat I do wonder is on either
side was it accidental? If youwent inside the house there was an altercation,
a fight, was the actual deathaccidental? Like I don't know,
(39:00):
anybody intend to kill John O'Keefe.That's the thing. On either side,
was it accidental? That's the questionI have. I don't know, but
great job, Christina Rex and againour condolences to John O'Keefe's family. Okay,
time for a check on who's Algriffeth. We're back at on the other
side on Juneteenth,
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