January 24, 2025 • 40 mins
You talk to anyone these days and they’ll tell you they’re “busy, busy, busy!” The never-ending family demands, career pressures, and stressors of everyday living are exhausting and creating burnout. Learn how to R-E-S-T with Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith, author of Sacred Rest: Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore Your Sanity.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night time with Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you easy, all right. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Al as we head into our ten o'clock hour, and
I'm delighted to welcome back tonight'side doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
She's an author, speaker and a board certified physician. We
had her on a couple of weeks ago and I
really enjoyed the conversation with her, and she brings great
(00:29):
energy to the show. And I hope some of you
are interested enough to call him because I brought it
back so she can talk to my listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome back, doctor Sondra Dalton Smith. How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I am doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Thank you well, Thank you so much for coming back.
You were talking about to again. The headline is recover
your life, renew your energy, and restore your sanity with sleep.
Rest can no longer remain optional. This is your book, correct? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
My book title is Sacred Rest, Recover your life, renew
your energy, restore your sanity, and it focuses on my
research on the seven types of rest and how rest
differs from sleep.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, so let's let you use an acronym for rest,
which has recognize your risk, evaluate your current position, science
and research in today's application, What are the seven types
of risk that we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Here? Are we talking about cat naps?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
What should we be doing to maximize our sleep and
and what can we do? There are a lot of people,
I'm sure who are listening tonight who have sleep problems,
and I assume if they call, you'll be able to
maybe give them some hints as to how they can
break whatever bad sleep.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Patterns they have.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so one of that, well, let me start with
answering the question on the seven types of rest, because
that's really the issue I feel for a lot of
people most of the world is saying that they're exhausted
all the time and they're tired, but even when they
get eight hours in the bed, they're waking up still exhausted.
And so what we're helping people realize is that there's
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different types of fatigue, there's different ways that they can
be exhausted. And so those seven types of rest include physical, mental, spiritual, emotional, social, sensory,
and creative. And so sleep falls into that physical type
of rest, the pasive form of physical rest, and for
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some people, the reason they're not getting high quality sleep
is because they have a rest deficit in one of
these other areas. For example, someone with a mental rest
deficit may lay down at night and their mind they're
thinking of all the things. They're thinking of their to
do list or conversations they had that day, and it's
keeping them from actually going into the deeper levels of
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non rim sleep because they haven't addressed the mental rest
problem so that they can get better physical rest.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, that is my problem. That is my problem.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I can wake up at three o'clock in the morning
and my mind is going, how do you shut that
mind off?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, So mental rest shows up in a lot of
different ways. One is the one I just mentioned was
the inability to kind of turn it off before you
go to bed. For some people, they're experiencing mental rest
deficits and the fact that they can't concentrate during the
day or they find it hard to recall information. So,
if the problem is the ruminating thoughts, you're exhausted, you're
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thinking all the things before you go to bed, a
couple of different ways you can do that. I'll start
with just one example. Many people benefit from what we
call brain dumping. In other words, if you are ruminating
over a thought, thinking of it over and over again,
your brain has a tendency to want to hold on
to that information. Ruminations the same process we do when
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we study for a test. So as long as you're ruminating,
your brains thinking, oh, this is important, I have to
hold on to it. When you jot it down on
something concrete like a notepad or a piece of paper,
it's as if you took the test. So the brain
recognizes that that information now is somewhere secure and it's
no longer the brain's job to hold on to the information,
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which then allows it to be released and you can
go into deeper levels of sleep. Other things that can
add to that is if you are, for example, if
you have a tendency to ruminate over let's take conversation
instead of writing down kind of what the conversation was about.
Sometimes it's necessary to process what emotions the conversation stirred up,
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which then goes over into emotional rests. Because sometimes some
of the emotional processing we do is at night time.
We and so those emotions have to be processed whether
we are cognitively aware of how we're processing them. Sometimes
that's the way we process at night time, we think
and mole over it sociating.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So if you're talking about mental rest, what you're saying
is if something if I'm hearing you correctly, if something's
bothering you, before you lay your head down on your pillow,
write it down on a piece of paper because there's
something that you'll probably deal with the next day. Is
I think what I'm hearing you say? Is that an
accurate summary?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
That's exactly right? Do what we call a brain dap.
You're going to put it on something concrete so that
you can let it go.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So in terms of emotional let's assume that you have
a disagreement with I don't know someone in your life
who's important, whether it's a friend, you know, a family member,
and you're replaying that in your mind and preventing you
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from getting.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Good good as good sleep.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
What is the same process You write it down and
you say in the morning, you know in the morning
you're going to still have that emotional thought that in
your minds.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What's the solution for that one?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
If if writing down a brain dump, writing down that
problem that you got to deal with the next day,
what do you do in terms of that when you
when you're you're not getting your emotional rest.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, emotional res is a lot more complicated because it
requires that we actually process.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Through the emotion.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So writing it down is just kind of a holding
space for it. But really with emotional res you need
opportunity so that you can actually share and process through
the emotion. For a lot of people, this works better
if you're processing with another person. It can be a
counselor to be a therapist, a trusted friend. For some people,
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emotional rest and the experience when you have opportunities just
to be real and authentic. So that could be anything
from journaling, just kind of journaling whatever the whatever the
emotions were, maybe there isn't any one you feel safe
to share that with, but having a place for you
to process through it. And you know, I went to
medical school in Nashville, So if I'm thinking about just
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music in general, particularly country music, a large part of
it is someone's emotional rest. You hear all of those
someone you know, did me wrong type wrong. It's someone
processing through their emotional and that's really at the core
of emotional rest. It's not just those arguments we have
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with our family. Sometimes it's professional emotional rest. If you're
a business owner and you had to let go a
lot of people, you know, during COVID or during right now,
during the changes of the economics, and you let go
of a lot of employees, you may feel some some
professional emotional stress. Relate it to that, and so just
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realizing those things have to be processed because otherwise they
create their own level of stress.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, we're gonna pause. I gotta do a couple of
commercials here, my.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Guest this hour, and I do invite people to call
and join and talk with and ask questions of doctor
Sandra Dalton Smith. You said you did your medical work
in Nashville. Is that Vanderbilt that you went to.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I went to my Harry Medical College?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
My Harry. Okay, fine, another great school. Nashville is a
great city. I need to spend more time there. Her
book is Sacred Rest Recover your life, renew your energy,
and restore your sanity. We will continue our conversation, but
I want to open up the phone lines. If you're
having trouble sleeping. Sleeping it does a number on you,
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it really does. And there's so many distractions for all
of us. I know, and I may ask you when
we come back on the other side, Doctor Dalton Smith.
I do a talk show. I'm on the air from
eight until midnight. I generally am able to get to sleep,
but it's tough to go from doing a talk show
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and your your mind is going one hundred miles an
hour trying to deal with whatever issues you're talking to.
Shut it down and go to sleep quickly. If I
can get to sleep within an hour, I feel I'm
doing pretty well. Because if I don't get to sleep
within an hour, then I'm sure changing myself. When the
world starts to wake up the next morning. We'll get
to that, and I want to hear from all of
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you as well. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty My guest,
doctor Sandra Dalton Smith. Her book Sacred rest Recover your Life,
Renew your energy and Restore your sanity. Pretty good menu
of things to accomplish. Back on nights Side with Doctor
Dalton Sandra Dalton Smith. Right after this, now back to
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Dan Ray the Window World.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We're talking about your sleep.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, you get if you're getting that great out by
the way, we will talk about how much sleep people need,
and we're gonna cover this all, I promise you. My
guest is doctor Sondra Dalton Smith her book Sacred Rest
Recover your Life, Renew your Energy, Restore your Sanity. When
we broke for the commercial and doctor Sondra, doctor Dalton Smith,
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I talked about people like myself who work late. I
work to midnight every night, Monday through Friday, and it's tough.
It's tough to kind of wind out. Most people who
work a nine to five or ten to six job,
they go home, they have dinner, maybe they have a drink,
or maybe they sit down and they watch on television.
I'll listen to Nightside and get relaxed. Then they go
to bed.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What advice do you.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Have for people like me who you know I don't
want to stay up till three in the morning because
I got to be up in the morning by eight
o'clock in order to start my next day. Except on Saturday,
I can sleep in. What can people in our position,
the late workers of the world, what.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Can they do?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I love this question because I actually live in an
area where we have a lot as factory workers who
do third our shifts and so one of the things
that you have to keep in mind when you are
kind of forcing the body to function contrary to the
normal circadian rhythm is that you have to build in
some type of rhythm. The body likes to function in patterns,
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and so the normal circadian rhythm is you wake up
when the suns up, you wind down when the sun
goes down. When you accelpt that, what happens is you
kind of automatically inject some disharmony with just how the
hormones work. So you want to kind of create that
as best you can in your own environment. So, for example,
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when you are awake, whether it's dark outside or not,
have your house as or your workstation or wherever you're
at it's brightly lit as you possibly can have it.
To reenact the the to kind of always took the
brain into differs daytime, even though it might be midnight,
and usually if you're if you're working, you're going to
be in some place that's brightly lit. However, when you
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are ready to start winding down so you get home,
don't come home and have every light in your house
off just because you're awake, start actually winding down the
body takes about an hour to deep kind of defuse.
And so when you come home, you're driving home, but
probably in the middle of the day when the sun
is out and and bright, you know, for some of
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these workers who are working thirty hour shifts. When you
walk in, when you get into your home, actually start
have blackout curtains, start darkening your house even before you
go into the bed. So the same is when I'm
walking around my house at ten o'clock at night, I
have the lights dimmed. I'm kind of shutting down the brightness.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
In my home.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Do the same thing, even though it may be eight
am that you're about to turn in. Okay, so you
want to try to recreate that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let's start to work some callers in here. I don't
want people to have to wait long. My first caller
for my guest, doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, or a book
Sacred rest Recover your Life, Renew your energy, Restore your
sanity is Shazade Shazzad.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I hope I pronounced your name correctly. Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yes? That is correct?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, welcome. I don't believe whether they had the pleasure
of you as a caller before.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
No, this is the first time calling.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh we want to give you a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Round of a pause in our digital studio audience. Shous
that you're wrong with doctor Dalton Smith. What's your question?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
My question is that sometime if I somebody save me something,
you don't look good, or you have this, or some
somebody say to.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Me you.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You didn't do wrong, you did you did wrong this one,
or sometime if I I try to fix the car
sent some time I couldn't fix the car, or some
school doesn't open all night or every night. I'm just
thinking thinking about that, and I tried to sleep it.
I couldn't forget anything that people say to me, and
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that I try to turn off the light, I try
to make the massad music or lax music, and it's
still sleep doesn't come out.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Shazad?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
What you're saying is someone criticizes you for something and
you're you must be a sensitive guy. A lot of
people that rolls off their back. You hang on at
that criticism, whether it's how you look, how you appear,
how you're working.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Okay, let's see, let's see if doctor Dalton Smith has
a suggestion. I'm sure that there's a lot of people
like Shazad, doctor.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dalton, yeah and the.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah excellent questions Shazade. And the type of rest deficit
that that boils down to is an emotional rest deficit,
because serences are when the person says that to you.
To stay at a level of professionalism, you probably don't
respond back to them or you you know, just kind
of take it in the moment. And that's what a
lot of people do, and it's where this emotional professional
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emotional labor comes into play now to undo that, there
has to be a time when you're processing through not
just what they said, but how what they said made
you feel. And so for a lot of people, they
they basically when they talk to someone about this, if
there's a friend or someone that you share these experiences with,
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you're probably sharing what the person said or you know,
those kind of things. But real emotional rest comes when
we actually share not what they said, but how what
they said made us feel. What was the emotion that
was in So whether it was a feeling of rejection
or a feeling of insecurity or abandonment or or whatever
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the emotion is, whatever it is that pops up actually
having some place safe to discuss that and to share
that feeling and so that you can process through it,
because otherwise you're going to process through it in the
middle of the night. Some things to keep in mind
also is that rumination. If you just think about the
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conversation over and over again, you create these, for lack
of a better word, mental tangle. And it's even if
you keep thinking about it, it's harder to let it go,
so that you have to shift from repeating what was
said to actually kind of processing through what the emotions
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were that were awakened from that remark or conversation.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Yeah, on me, I tried numerous time to forget that thing,
but it's still keep coming in my heart, to keep
coming in my eyes. So then I especially when I
go to the bag, and it's keep keep coming, keep coming.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
I tongue off the light and I do everything, I
put the massage music, but it.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Still keep coming up, keep coming up. I try to
ignore it, do not to remember it, but it's still
sometimes this happens.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, let me ask you a question without being personal.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Young, middle aged or older?
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Yeah, I'm like park ep forty three.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay, I think and this is I'm not doctor Dalton Smith.
I think sometimes friends of mine have said, you know,
you consider the source. If someone's a jerk and they
say something to you that is either intended to be
harmful or is unintentionally hurtful.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Consider the source, Chazette, let it roll.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I know it's easy for me to say, but just
consider the source and realize that that person is not
worth the time you spend on the you know, formulating
their criticism.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I don't know how Shazade might be able to do that,
doctor Dalton Smith.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shuzade sounds like a great guy who takes things very seriously,
and it probably is a really good friend and a
really good worker. And he's a pretty sensitive guy here.
What can he do to kind of toughing him up,
toughing himself up.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah, I think that's a great statement that you just
mad as far as kind of evaluating who's making the statement.
And you know, whenever someone says something that is different,
in other words, I'm sure you don't do yourself the
way this person is viewing you, Shazad, So when someone
else is saying something about you that is different than
how you do yourself, it can be how help just
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to remind yourself of what's actually true about you. Usually
when someone's saying that, it's someone who actually doesn't know you.
They are judging based off of one time experiences or
something of that nature, but they actually haven't taken the
time to get to know you. So Jess, I'll also
kind of reminding yourself of what is actually true that
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is usually the contrary to what that person says.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Shuz that. I hope that helps a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And I'll tell you if you want, shazzatte you should
read some of the emails I get from people. It's
like you, I hate you, I hate your show. I
listen every night, but I hate everything about your show.
But I listen every night. I I made you laugh
and I'm happy about that. Do be a favorite call
the show more often. You have friends here.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Indeed, thanks Jazzat.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We take quick break for news at the bottom of
the hour. Yeah, you should read some of my emails.
And it's always the anonymous stuff. You know what people
call you on the phone doctor A Dalton Smith. I
say that in all honesty. I mean, no matter what
you say on the radio. When you're a talk show host,
for as long as I've been. You're gonna please some
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people and upset others, and you've got to learn to
let it roll off your back or I'd be so
totally crazy anyway. Sixty six, one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
We're trying to help you tonight, So we're we're grateful
by the very gracious presence of doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
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Her book is Sacred rest Recover your life, renew your energy,
and restore your sanity. I do believe that the mind
is the most powerful muscle that any of us exercise
in our body. And when you're not square with your mind,
your mind is gonna gonna give you all sorts of
problems trying to sleep, which is then gonna have physical
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ramifications for you. And that is why doctor Saundra Dalton
Smith is with us tonight. That's what her book is about.
If you have a specific question like shazade does Shazade?
Thanks for having the courage to call in with that.
I'm sure there are a lot of people like you
out there who also you were speaking on behalf of
a lot of people, So feel free to join the conversation.
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And ladies, don't let the men dominate the calls here.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this news break
at the bottom of the hour of My name is
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. If you miss any of
our broadcasts, you know over the weekend, you can check
out Nightside on demand. We had some great shows this week.
You can listen to our podcast coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's night Side with.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I don't know about you, but I missed the Old
Man of the Mountain. Every time we drive up Rude
Hurt ninety three and to look over and realize the
Old Man of the Mountain has dropped away. That's pretty disappointing.
My guest is doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, her book Sacred
Rest Recovery your Life, Renew your energy, and Restore your sanity.
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None of us, none of us fully appreciate how important
sleep is. Real quick question for me, Doctor Dalton Smith.
Then I want to get back to.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The phone calls.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Is eight hours of sleep? Does one size fits fit all?
I mean, they're saying that President Trump functions on like
four hours of sleep a night. Don't know how anyone
can do that, but many of us can't get eight
hours a night. Does sleep vary with age or gender,
or or is it a one size fits all phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
It's definitely not a one size fit all, but it's
not as regimented as being specific to an age or
gender either. It really just is a personal I find
that some patients can do very well on five hours
of sleep. Rarely do I see some one do well
with four hours. But I have a squad of people
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who do really well with five hours.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
But those people also tend.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
To get very high level sleep, and I find that
that's really more of the issue than it is the
number of hours in the bed. You know, a lot
of the gadgets now, whether it's like your fitbit or
your Apple watch or a ring, all these different things
crack our sleep, and the thing that is really tracking
is our level of deep sleep, the level the amount
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of deep stage three and four non rim sleep when
you're into those data delta brain weighs and you're really
just in the level of sleep where restoration happens. That
is really where I'm finding is what the difference is.
So someone who says I do great for five hours
came to also have very high levels of deep sleep percentages,
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where someone else may say it takes me eight hours.
Well they may it may take them eight hours to
actually enough deep sleep for them to fill rested.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Let me get back to phone call six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. We will have the pleasure of having doctor
Sandra Dalton Smith with us until eleven o'clock again her
book Sacred Rest Recover your life, renew your energy, and
Restore your sanity. Next up, Michael is in Boston. Michael,
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you were next on Nightside with doctor Dalton Smith. Your question,
no comment, Michael, go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
While there doctor and Dan, how are you doing great?
I was just my I had two issues though. One
was President Trump just listening to the ten o'clock news.
What he did today is amazing. What he does every
day is amazing. Where does he get this energy to
fly from coast to coast and to make speeches one
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after the other and so forth. And I was wondering,
I heard three hours sleep sleep Dan in his first term.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Well, I'll tell you, they do have beds on Air
Force one. Okay, so it's he's not flying coach. If
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
In his constitution, that's not in other people's that he's
able to run like the ever ready battery. They used
to advertise, the ever ready Bunny.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah right right, Well let's let's let's get doctor doctor
Dalton Smith and on that, doctor Dalton Smith without commenting
on you know what, what you might feel about, you know,
President Trump's politics or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He seems to have an abundant amount.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Of energy, particularly to someone who is now believe he's
seventy eight years of age. Are the people who are
able to do what he clearly is able to do
or is he truly the exception? No.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I do as an internal medicine position. Most of my
patients are older, and so I am always amazed when
I see someone who is seventy eighty. I have patience
who are in their ninety who go out and do
two mile walks every single day and play pickleball. So
I think that it's just really a matter of kind
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of the underlying self care that the person is doing.
Because those same people are also eating very high quality food.
In other words, they're they're reading like they're eating a
lot of green vegetables and things that have a lot
of high nutrients. They also send to be people who
don't know what.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Doctor Sudras, doctor Dalton Smith. Uh, President Trump. I think
his idea of fine dining is is a is a
McDonald's drive through.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, but try.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
He is not the norm.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
That's the case. Not the norm.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's true, by the way, just to keep it non part.
Bill Clinton also enjoyed McDonald's a lot, too, So maybe
that's what. Maybe that they have some sort of special
sauce there at McDonald's that that keeps them going.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know, Michael, don't. I don't have an answer
for that. Okay, how's your sleep? Do you feel you
do well sleeping? Michael?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Tell us about your circumstances.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh, I don't want to talk about me. I'll put
it in the form of the question. Though. If somebody
doesn't sleep well during the night, periodically or all the time,
can that be made up during the day? I have
read No.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I'm a big believer in power and napps. So let's
see what doctor the expert, doctor Dalton Smith's believes. I
can do a fifteen minute power nap and I get
recharged at about quarter seven.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Interest.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's one of my secrets that I'm ready for on Radio.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
No, there's a lot of science related to time maps,
you know, those entire countries that are based around taking
naps in the middle of the day. So the problem is, though,
you do need to get some extended period of sleep.
So I would hope you're getting some type of sleep
at night time, some decent level of sleep, and then
you supplement that with power naps and other types of
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restorative practices during the day.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, I do, and I suspect Michael does as well. Michael,
thank you so much for your call. Thank you, talk
to you soon.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Connect.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I gotta take a quick break, going to be back
with more phone calls. Everybody's now calling in, which is great.
We'll get you in. Everyboney's going to pick the pace
up a little bit. We go one segment left with
doctor Sandra Dalton Smith her book Sacred Rest Recover your Life,
Renew your energy and Restore your Sanity. Back on Nightside
right after this. Now back to Dan Ray live from
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the Window World Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
My guess, doctor Saundra Dalton Smith. We're talking about your sleep.
Let's go next to Susan in Bellingham. Susan next the
night Side welcome.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, Hello, Hi Susan.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Yes, I have a question about when I go to bed.
I'll wake up within one and a half to two
hours just about every night, and I was just wondering
if you had any idea. You know, it seemed I've
looked up online and talked to you know, different people,
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and nobody seems to have a real solution. And I
just wondered. It's not to go to the restroom or anything,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, that was my first thought. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So let's let's see what I know that.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
Let's see we wake up and then I'll say, well,
I may as well go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Right, Let's let's see what doctor Dalton Smith says. Doctor
what time you go to bed normally, Susan?
Speaker 10 (29:56):
Too late? Twelve thirty one am.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I know that after you listen to Nightside and you
you turn off the radio when you go to try
to go to bed.
Speaker 10 (30:06):
Okay, we try to listen to the news right when
we're in when we're in Massachusetts. Now we're in Florida,
so we listened to the Florida news. But but we're
not We're only there half the year.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
So wait, you calling tonight from Flora? Are you calling
tonight from Florida or from Bellingham?
Speaker 10 (30:22):
No, from Florida?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Whereabouts in Florida?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Are you?
Speaker 10 (30:25):
If I could ask the villages?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Has cold there? How cold is it?
Speaker 10 (30:31):
And cold? Yes? It has been for Florida.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
There's a lot of people in Massachusetts down there and
a lot of people in the villages.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And I almost got to go and speak at the villages.
So if you ever want me to come down to
the villages, they speak to my listeners.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You let me know.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Okay, okay, Yeah, that's let's get Let's get doctor. Let's
get Dalton doctor Smith, Dalton Smith to address your question.
Go ahead, doctor Dalton Smith.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, So it really just depends on what's causing you
to wake up or what kind of what's happening when
you wake up. When you put it that way, are
you hot? Are you cold? Is your mind raising? Is
there something like when you wake up? Is there something
specific that's bringing you out of sleep?
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (31:15):
I don't think so. To be honest with you, I
don't know. It's how long has this been going on?
It probably is a good question, because I'm not really sure.
I'd say at least a year I'm almost seventy nine
years old, so you know it's fairly new. But I'm
not sure. So it's a tough question.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I know that, but I just are you how quickly
do you are you able to get back to sleep
after you wake up?
Speaker 10 (31:43):
Yeah? I'd say half the time I can. I can
kind of keep myself in that drowsy, real drowsy state,
but almost half the time I can't go back to sleep.
So I'll take a half of a sleeping pill and
that usually works and I'll wake up within maybe four
hours or so, four and a half at the most.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But Susan, I'm not the doctor here, but one of
the things, have you talked to your own medical doctor
about this, because he would know you best and.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Know if you know, if there's something that I did.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
She just said, no, that's, you know, fairly common problem.
But I don't think it's that common. But no, she
wasn't that concerned, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, Well that's that should put your mind at rest,
doctor Dalton Smith. I got a couple other calls I
got to get to before we let let Susan go
about any final comment.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
For Susan, Yeah, I think the main thing is just
to dald In on what you're feeling when you wake up,
because that'll actually help your doctor. Do you feel like
you're short of breath, do you feel like your leg
are hurting? Or if there's something specific you're feeling that
will help them then be able to look into what.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Might be confident right, right, and Susan, you might also
try to pick up the book Sacred rest Recover your Life, Recover,
do your energy, and restore your sanity. That might give
you some insights as well. I'm sure it's available in
bookstores in the villagers.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Okay, okay, yeah, we have still we have a big
Barnes and Noble here. Yeah, all right. It really is
a great place. But anyway, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I hope to see in the villages sometime.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
Okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I have a lot of friends who live down in
the villages, believe it or not. Sometimes I can talk
to you privately and I can hook you up with
some people from Massachusetts.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
Okay, oh yeah, but I like to still be there
half the year up in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Absolutely got to get the summertime, all right, thank you,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I got two calls and I got two minutes for
each let's do Let's go to Christine and debt him first.
One of my favorite callers. Hey, Christine, you were on
with doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Yes, my problem is my mom this past a few
months now has gone in Sundrosing home as a German home,
and now I'm alone at night. I have like couble
of sleep And that's why I love you you keeping
the company and I just I have troubles still, like
kind of settle down, like I always think, like I
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hand noises and I just like I just don't know,
like what else I could do or like to relax
myself at night and kind of go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah, if you're sensitive to it. To background sounds,
some people really do well with what some of us
called white noise or filtered noise. But using something like
the sound of rain in the background, just so that
you're not hearing every little thing that happens in the
house can be very helpful as well. It kind of
tricks your brain into kind of focusing on kind of
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the background hum of that white noise rather than all
of the other sounds.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The rain works for me.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'll tell you, Christine, on a summer day when it's
raining out for real on a Saturday or Sunday. I
put my head down and I've gone for three or
four hours. Thanks Christine, I got to get a.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Couple more in Okay, thank you, thank you, Thanks Christine.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Talk to you soon, Tina. Tina, we're really tight on time.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I got you in here.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Tina is in Hudson, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Go ahead, Tina, So hopefully this will be a quick
question for the doctors who had mentioned that part of
how much sleep you need has to do with getting
the deep sleep. Is there anything we can do to impact.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Our getting that deep sleep? Absolutely. One of the types
of rests I talk about is called sensory rest, and
most of us are exposed to a lot of sensory
inputs from our devices, our phones all the same, and
so starting to learn how to downgrade some of your
sensory inputs, particularly a couple of hours before you go
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to bed, and I don't mean don't use your gadgets,
you know, for the entire time, but being able to
be starting to downgrade some of those inputs, turning off notifications,
using the white noise, things of that nature, and then
just being really aware of the fact that a lot
of us do better with sleeping when we don't have
light facing us. So if your alarm clock is facing you,
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turn it away from you. That blue light actually can
be enough to keep you from going into deeper sleep,
and you wouldn't even be aware of it. It's just
the circadian rhythm is sensitive to light, and that light
can penetrate through and actually worthen your levels that do sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Tina, I hope that helps. That was a great question,
and I think a lot of people can identify with it.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I have a great night. Good night. I'm going to
wrap it up here with is calling from the North
End of Boston. Have y'all go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Yeah, i live in the North End of Boston and
I'm totally blind. I actually moved to the North End
of Boston because I'm totally blind. But I have a
wicked hard time sleep, and like, I worry about my
physical health and it stresses me out so much. It
gives me anxiety, and I'm worried that it's affecting my
health in the long run. And then have you ever
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had any experience talking to totally blind people you know
about solutions for sleeping. I was I really wanted to
get an answer on this when I heard you on here.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, whenever one type of sensory perception is lost, as
you probably already know, other perceptions get heightened, and so
there's a need to make sure that you're not allowing
those heightened perceptions to interfere with the deeper levels of sleep,
and so something to just.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Oh yeah, so like my high anxiety that I have
about sleeping is probably actually affecting my sleep, like because
I can't relax because I'm so nervous all the time.
Because if you're totally blind, you feel like you don't
fit in with society because you don't see like everybody else.
You just don't have your it's just totally dark. So
you're like, right now, I feel like I'm up.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
For the day.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
But it's weird for me to walk around the city
at one am. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I don't want to don't want to be Yeah, you
don't want to be Habia. You do not want to
be walking around the city at one am in the morning.
I know the North End and it's a safe area
and it's it's a congested area, but please remember at
one o'clock in the morning. There are people out there
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who are looking for someone to take advantage of them.
So think about that, my friend. Okay, I mean that
honestly when I say that to you, I wouldn't be
walking around the North End at one o'clock in the morning.
I wouldn't be walking anywhere in the city at one
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I live right next to Bovitch,
so you can walk right in there, but the bust
and please really, they'll tell you what are you doing?
Are you crazy? And there's like four thousand shelter beds
around it, so a lot of those people don't make
it in the shelter. So if you're totally blind too,
you you run into those people at night.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
But yeah, all right, HOBBYA, I hope that helps. Have
you you've never called my show before, have you?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (38:58):
No, I never called. But I do know some people
from West Roxbury who know you from the eighties. I
met you as a kid in the eighties. Actually I
know you through your family members.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
All right, well, how you call any night? Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
There's a round of applause from our digital studio audience,
and thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Let me ask, say, I have you is this book
that you have? Is there an audiobook version of this? Doctor?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
There is, Yes, there's an audiobook version. I read it
myself and for Havi here. Honestly, Jeff, making sure that
you have someone work with you on the anxiety part
of it, because the anxiety has to be treated separate
from the sleeping.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, Hobby.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
The anxiety is so bad that it causes you to
get sick when you don't get sleep. That's part of
being blind. But I'll let y'all go have a great night.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Haba, Thank you much. Call the show anytime, Hobby. If
I can be of help to you, let me know.
The book again is Sacred rest Recover your life, Renew
your energy, Restore your sanity by doctor Sandra Dalton Smith,
Doctor Dalton Smith. This excuse me, excuse me there. I'm
having a little bit of a prog with my throat here.
Great questions from the callers and great answers from you.
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Thank you so much for joining us. You more than
exceeded my expectations for this hour. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
All it's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Thanks for having me, all right, Doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, staycred, rest,
recover your life, renew your energy, and restore your sanity.
Twentieth hour comes up on the other side. Stay with
us right after the eleven o'clock news
It's night time with Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you easy, all right. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Al as we head into our ten o'clock hour, and
I'm delighted to welcome back tonight'side doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
She's an author, speaker and a board certified physician. We
had her on a couple of weeks ago and I
really enjoyed the conversation with her, and she brings great
(00:29):
energy to the show. And I hope some of you
are interested enough to call him because I brought it
back so she can talk to my listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome back, doctor Sondra Dalton Smith. How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I am doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Thank you well, Thank you so much for coming back.
You were talking about to again. The headline is recover
your life, renew your energy, and restore your sanity with sleep.
Rest can no longer remain optional. This is your book, correct? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
My book title is Sacred Rest, Recover your life, renew
your energy, restore your sanity, and it focuses on my
research on the seven types of rest and how rest
differs from sleep.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, so let's let you use an acronym for rest,
which has recognize your risk, evaluate your current position, science
and research in today's application, What are the seven types
of risk that we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Here? Are we talking about cat naps?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
What should we be doing to maximize our sleep and
and what can we do? There are a lot of people,
I'm sure who are listening tonight who have sleep problems,
and I assume if they call, you'll be able to
maybe give them some hints as to how they can
break whatever bad sleep.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Patterns they have.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, so one of that, well, let me start with
answering the question on the seven types of rest, because
that's really the issue I feel for a lot of
people most of the world is saying that they're exhausted
all the time and they're tired, but even when they
get eight hours in the bed, they're waking up still exhausted.
And so what we're helping people realize is that there's
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different types of fatigue, there's different ways that they can
be exhausted. And so those seven types of rest include physical, mental, spiritual, emotional, social, sensory,
and creative. And so sleep falls into that physical type
of rest, the pasive form of physical rest, and for
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some people, the reason they're not getting high quality sleep
is because they have a rest deficit in one of
these other areas. For example, someone with a mental rest
deficit may lay down at night and their mind they're
thinking of all the things. They're thinking of their to
do list or conversations they had that day, and it's
keeping them from actually going into the deeper levels of
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non rim sleep because they haven't addressed the mental rest
problem so that they can get better physical rest.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, that is my problem. That is my problem.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I can wake up at three o'clock in the morning
and my mind is going, how do you shut that
mind off?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, So mental rest shows up in a lot of
different ways. One is the one I just mentioned was
the inability to kind of turn it off before you
go to bed. For some people, they're experiencing mental rest
deficits and the fact that they can't concentrate during the
day or they find it hard to recall information. So,
if the problem is the ruminating thoughts, you're exhausted, you're
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thinking all the things before you go to bed, a
couple of different ways you can do that. I'll start
with just one example. Many people benefit from what we
call brain dumping. In other words, if you are ruminating
over a thought, thinking of it over and over again,
your brain has a tendency to want to hold on
to that information. Ruminations the same process we do when
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we study for a test. So as long as you're ruminating,
your brains thinking, oh, this is important, I have to
hold on to it. When you jot it down on
something concrete like a notepad or a piece of paper,
it's as if you took the test. So the brain
recognizes that that information now is somewhere secure and it's
no longer the brain's job to hold on to the information,
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which then allows it to be released and you can
go into deeper levels of sleep. Other things that can
add to that is if you are, for example, if
you have a tendency to ruminate over let's take conversation
instead of writing down kind of what the conversation was about.
Sometimes it's necessary to process what emotions the conversation stirred up,
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which then goes over into emotional rests. Because sometimes some
of the emotional processing we do is at night time.
We and so those emotions have to be processed whether
we are cognitively aware of how we're processing them. Sometimes
that's the way we process at night time, we think
and mole over it sociating.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So if you're talking about mental rest, what you're saying
is if something if I'm hearing you correctly, if something's
bothering you, before you lay your head down on your pillow,
write it down on a piece of paper because there's
something that you'll probably deal with the next day. Is
I think what I'm hearing you say? Is that an
accurate summary?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
That's exactly right? Do what we call a brain dap.
You're going to put it on something concrete so that
you can let it go.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So in terms of emotional let's assume that you have
a disagreement with I don't know someone in your life
who's important, whether it's a friend, you know, a family member,
and you're replaying that in your mind and preventing you
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from getting.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Good good as good sleep.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
What is the same process You write it down and
you say in the morning, you know in the morning
you're going to still have that emotional thought that in
your minds.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What's the solution for that one?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
If if writing down a brain dump, writing down that
problem that you got to deal with the next day,
what do you do in terms of that when you
when you're you're not getting your emotional rest.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, emotional res is a lot more complicated because it
requires that we actually process.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Through the emotion.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So writing it down is just kind of a holding
space for it. But really with emotional res you need
opportunity so that you can actually share and process through
the emotion. For a lot of people, this works better
if you're processing with another person. It can be a
counselor to be a therapist, a trusted friend. For some people,
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emotional rest and the experience when you have opportunities just
to be real and authentic. So that could be anything
from journaling, just kind of journaling whatever the whatever the
emotions were, maybe there isn't any one you feel safe
to share that with, but having a place for you
to process through it. And you know, I went to
medical school in Nashville, So if I'm thinking about just
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music in general, particularly country music, a large part of
it is someone's emotional rest. You hear all of those
someone you know, did me wrong type wrong. It's someone
processing through their emotional and that's really at the core
of emotional rest. It's not just those arguments we have
(07:39):
with our family. Sometimes it's professional emotional rest. If you're
a business owner and you had to let go a
lot of people, you know, during COVID or during right now,
during the changes of the economics, and you let go
of a lot of employees, you may feel some some
professional emotional stress. Relate it to that, and so just
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realizing those things have to be processed because otherwise they
create their own level of stress.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, we're gonna pause. I gotta do a couple of
commercials here, my.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Guest this hour, and I do invite people to call
and join and talk with and ask questions of doctor
Sandra Dalton Smith. You said you did your medical work
in Nashville. Is that Vanderbilt that you went to.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I went to my Harry Medical College?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
My Harry. Okay, fine, another great school. Nashville is a
great city. I need to spend more time there. Her
book is Sacred Rest Recover your life, renew your energy,
and restore your sanity. We will continue our conversation, but
I want to open up the phone lines. If you're
having trouble sleeping. Sleeping it does a number on you,
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it really does. And there's so many distractions for all
of us. I know, and I may ask you when
we come back on the other side, Doctor Dalton Smith.
I do a talk show. I'm on the air from
eight until midnight. I generally am able to get to sleep,
but it's tough to go from doing a talk show
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and your your mind is going one hundred miles an
hour trying to deal with whatever issues you're talking to.
Shut it down and go to sleep quickly. If I
can get to sleep within an hour, I feel I'm
doing pretty well. Because if I don't get to sleep
within an hour, then I'm sure changing myself. When the
world starts to wake up the next morning. We'll get
to that, and I want to hear from all of
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you as well. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty My guest,
doctor Sandra Dalton Smith. Her book Sacred rest Recover your Life,
Renew your energy and Restore your sanity. Pretty good menu
of things to accomplish. Back on nights Side with Doctor
Dalton Sandra Dalton Smith. Right after this, now back to
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Dan Ray the Window World.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We're talking about your sleep.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, you get if you're getting that great out by
the way, we will talk about how much sleep people need,
and we're gonna cover this all, I promise you. My
guest is doctor Sondra Dalton Smith her book Sacred Rest
Recover your Life, Renew your Energy, Restore your Sanity. When
we broke for the commercial and doctor Sondra, doctor Dalton Smith,
(10:31):
I talked about people like myself who work late. I
work to midnight every night, Monday through Friday, and it's tough.
It's tough to kind of wind out. Most people who
work a nine to five or ten to six job,
they go home, they have dinner, maybe they have a drink,
or maybe they sit down and they watch on television.
I'll listen to Nightside and get relaxed. Then they go
to bed.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What advice do you.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Have for people like me who you know I don't
want to stay up till three in the morning because
I got to be up in the morning by eight
o'clock in order to start my next day. Except on Saturday,
I can sleep in. What can people in our position,
the late workers of the world, what.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Can they do?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I love this question because I actually live in an
area where we have a lot as factory workers who
do third our shifts and so one of the things
that you have to keep in mind when you are
kind of forcing the body to function contrary to the
normal circadian rhythm is that you have to build in
some type of rhythm. The body likes to function in patterns,
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and so the normal circadian rhythm is you wake up
when the suns up, you wind down when the sun
goes down. When you accelpt that, what happens is you
kind of automatically inject some disharmony with just how the
hormones work. So you want to kind of create that
as best you can in your own environment. So, for example,
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when you are awake, whether it's dark outside or not,
have your house as or your workstation or wherever you're
at it's brightly lit as you possibly can have it.
To reenact the the to kind of always took the
brain into differs daytime, even though it might be midnight,
and usually if you're if you're working, you're going to
be in some place that's brightly lit. However, when you
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are ready to start winding down so you get home,
don't come home and have every light in your house
off just because you're awake, start actually winding down the
body takes about an hour to deep kind of defuse.
And so when you come home, you're driving home, but
probably in the middle of the day when the sun
is out and and bright, you know, for some of
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these workers who are working thirty hour shifts. When you
walk in, when you get into your home, actually start
have blackout curtains, start darkening your house even before you
go into the bed. So the same is when I'm
walking around my house at ten o'clock at night, I
have the lights dimmed. I'm kind of shutting down the brightness.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
In my home.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Do the same thing, even though it may be eight
am that you're about to turn in. Okay, so you
want to try to recreate that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let's start to work some callers in here. I don't
want people to have to wait long. My first caller
for my guest, doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, or a book
Sacred rest Recover your Life, Renew your energy, Restore your
sanity is Shazade Shazzad.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I hope I pronounced your name correctly. Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yes? That is correct?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, welcome. I don't believe whether they had the pleasure
of you as a caller before.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
No, this is the first time calling.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh we want to give you a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Round of a pause in our digital studio audience. Shous
that you're wrong with doctor Dalton Smith. What's your question?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
My question is that sometime if I somebody save me something,
you don't look good, or you have this, or some
somebody say to.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Me you.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You didn't do wrong, you did you did wrong this one,
or sometime if I I try to fix the car
sent some time I couldn't fix the car, or some
school doesn't open all night or every night. I'm just
thinking thinking about that, and I tried to sleep it.
I couldn't forget anything that people say to me, and
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that I try to turn off the light, I try
to make the massad music or lax music, and it's
still sleep doesn't come out.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Shazad?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
What you're saying is someone criticizes you for something and
you're you must be a sensitive guy. A lot of
people that rolls off their back. You hang on at
that criticism, whether it's how you look, how you appear,
how you're working.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Okay, let's see, let's see if doctor Dalton Smith has
a suggestion. I'm sure that there's a lot of people
like Shazad, doctor.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dalton, yeah and the.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah excellent questions Shazade. And the type of rest deficit
that that boils down to is an emotional rest deficit,
because serences are when the person says that to you.
To stay at a level of professionalism, you probably don't
respond back to them or you you know, just kind
of take it in the moment. And that's what a
lot of people do, and it's where this emotional professional
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emotional labor comes into play now to undo that, there
has to be a time when you're processing through not
just what they said, but how what they said made
you feel. And so for a lot of people, they
they basically when they talk to someone about this, if
there's a friend or someone that you share these experiences with,
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you're probably sharing what the person said or you know,
those kind of things. But real emotional rest comes when
we actually share not what they said, but how what
they said made us feel. What was the emotion that
was in So whether it was a feeling of rejection
or a feeling of insecurity or abandonment or or whatever
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the emotion is, whatever it is that pops up actually
having some place safe to discuss that and to share
that feeling and so that you can process through it,
because otherwise you're going to process through it in the
middle of the night. Some things to keep in mind
also is that rumination. If you just think about the
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conversation over and over again, you create these, for lack
of a better word, mental tangle. And it's even if
you keep thinking about it, it's harder to let it go,
so that you have to shift from repeating what was
said to actually kind of processing through what the emotions
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were that were awakened from that remark or conversation.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Yeah, on me, I tried numerous time to forget that thing,
but it's still keep coming in my heart, to keep
coming in my eyes. So then I especially when I
go to the bag, and it's keep keep coming, keep coming.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
I tongue off the light and I do everything, I
put the massage music, but it.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Still keep coming up, keep coming up. I try to
ignore it, do not to remember it, but it's still
sometimes this happens.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, let me ask you a question without being personal.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Young, middle aged or older?
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Yeah, I'm like park ep forty three.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay, I think and this is I'm not doctor Dalton Smith.
I think sometimes friends of mine have said, you know,
you consider the source. If someone's a jerk and they
say something to you that is either intended to be
harmful or is unintentionally hurtful.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Consider the source, Chazette, let it roll.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I know it's easy for me to say, but just
consider the source and realize that that person is not
worth the time you spend on the you know, formulating
their criticism.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I don't know how Shazade might be able to do that,
doctor Dalton Smith.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shuzade sounds like a great guy who takes things very seriously,
and it probably is a really good friend and a
really good worker. And he's a pretty sensitive guy here.
What can he do to kind of toughing him up,
toughing himself up.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah, I think that's a great statement that you just
mad as far as kind of evaluating who's making the statement.
And you know, whenever someone says something that is different,
in other words, I'm sure you don't do yourself the
way this person is viewing you, Shazad, So when someone
else is saying something about you that is different than
how you do yourself, it can be how help just
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to remind yourself of what's actually true about you. Usually
when someone's saying that, it's someone who actually doesn't know you.
They are judging based off of one time experiences or
something of that nature, but they actually haven't taken the
time to get to know you. So Jess, I'll also
kind of reminding yourself of what is actually true that
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is usually the contrary to what that person says.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Shuz that. I hope that helps a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And I'll tell you if you want, shazzatte you should
read some of the emails I get from people. It's
like you, I hate you, I hate your show. I
listen every night, but I hate everything about your show.
But I listen every night. I I made you laugh
and I'm happy about that. Do be a favorite call
the show more often. You have friends here.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Indeed, thanks Jazzat.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We take quick break for news at the bottom of
the hour. Yeah, you should read some of my emails.
And it's always the anonymous stuff. You know what people
call you on the phone doctor A Dalton Smith. I
say that in all honesty. I mean, no matter what
you say on the radio. When you're a talk show host,
for as long as I've been. You're gonna please some
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people and upset others, and you've got to learn to
let it roll off your back or I'd be so
totally crazy anyway. Sixty six, one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
We're trying to help you tonight, So we're we're grateful
by the very gracious presence of doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
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Her book is Sacred rest Recover your life, renew your energy,
and restore your sanity. I do believe that the mind
is the most powerful muscle that any of us exercise
in our body. And when you're not square with your mind,
your mind is gonna gonna give you all sorts of
problems trying to sleep, which is then gonna have physical
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ramifications for you. And that is why doctor Saundra Dalton
Smith is with us tonight. That's what her book is about.
If you have a specific question like shazade does Shazade?
Thanks for having the courage to call in with that.
I'm sure there are a lot of people like you
out there who also you were speaking on behalf of
a lot of people, So feel free to join the conversation.
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And ladies, don't let the men dominate the calls here.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this news break
at the bottom of the hour of My name is
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. If you miss any of
our broadcasts, you know over the weekend, you can check
out Nightside on demand. We had some great shows this week.
You can listen to our podcast coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's night Side with.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I don't know about you, but I missed the Old
Man of the Mountain. Every time we drive up Rude
Hurt ninety three and to look over and realize the
Old Man of the Mountain has dropped away. That's pretty disappointing.
My guest is doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, her book Sacred
Rest Recovery your Life, Renew your energy, and Restore your sanity.
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None of us, none of us fully appreciate how important
sleep is. Real quick question for me, Doctor Dalton Smith.
Then I want to get back to.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The phone calls.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Is eight hours of sleep? Does one size fits fit all?
I mean, they're saying that President Trump functions on like
four hours of sleep a night. Don't know how anyone
can do that, but many of us can't get eight
hours a night. Does sleep vary with age or gender,
or or is it a one size fits all phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
It's definitely not a one size fit all, but it's
not as regimented as being specific to an age or
gender either. It really just is a personal I find
that some patients can do very well on five hours
of sleep. Rarely do I see some one do well
with four hours. But I have a squad of people
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who do really well with five hours.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
But those people also tend.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
To get very high level sleep, and I find that
that's really more of the issue than it is the
number of hours in the bed. You know, a lot
of the gadgets now, whether it's like your fitbit or
your Apple watch or a ring, all these different things
crack our sleep, and the thing that is really tracking
is our level of deep sleep, the level the amount
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of deep stage three and four non rim sleep when
you're into those data delta brain weighs and you're really
just in the level of sleep where restoration happens. That
is really where I'm finding is what the difference is.
So someone who says I do great for five hours
came to also have very high levels of deep sleep percentages,
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where someone else may say it takes me eight hours.
Well they may it may take them eight hours to
actually enough deep sleep for them to fill rested.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Let me get back to phone call six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. We will have the pleasure of having doctor
Sandra Dalton Smith with us until eleven o'clock again her
book Sacred Rest Recover your life, renew your energy, and
Restore your sanity. Next up, Michael is in Boston. Michael,
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you were next on Nightside with doctor Dalton Smith. Your question,
no comment, Michael, go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
While there doctor and Dan, how are you doing great?
I was just my I had two issues though. One
was President Trump just listening to the ten o'clock news.
What he did today is amazing. What he does every
day is amazing. Where does he get this energy to
fly from coast to coast and to make speeches one
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after the other and so forth. And I was wondering,
I heard three hours sleep sleep Dan in his first term.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Well, I'll tell you, they do have beds on Air
Force one. Okay, so it's he's not flying coach. If
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
In his constitution, that's not in other people's that he's
able to run like the ever ready battery. They used
to advertise, the ever ready Bunny.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah right right, Well let's let's let's get doctor doctor
Dalton Smith and on that, doctor Dalton Smith without commenting
on you know what, what you might feel about, you know,
President Trump's politics or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He seems to have an abundant amount.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Of energy, particularly to someone who is now believe he's
seventy eight years of age. Are the people who are
able to do what he clearly is able to do
or is he truly the exception? No.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I do as an internal medicine position. Most of my
patients are older, and so I am always amazed when
I see someone who is seventy eighty. I have patience
who are in their ninety who go out and do
two mile walks every single day and play pickleball. So
I think that it's just really a matter of kind
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of the underlying self care that the person is doing.
Because those same people are also eating very high quality food.
In other words, they're they're reading like they're eating a
lot of green vegetables and things that have a lot
of high nutrients. They also send to be people who
don't know what.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Doctor Sudras, doctor Dalton Smith. Uh, President Trump. I think
his idea of fine dining is is a is a
McDonald's drive through.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, but try.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
He is not the norm.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
That's the case. Not the norm.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's true, by the way, just to keep it non part.
Bill Clinton also enjoyed McDonald's a lot, too, So maybe
that's what. Maybe that they have some sort of special
sauce there at McDonald's that that keeps them going.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know, Michael, don't. I don't have an answer
for that. Okay, how's your sleep? Do you feel you
do well sleeping? Michael?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Tell us about your circumstances.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh, I don't want to talk about me. I'll put
it in the form of the question. Though. If somebody
doesn't sleep well during the night, periodically or all the time,
can that be made up during the day? I have
read No.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I'm a big believer in power and napps. So let's
see what doctor the expert, doctor Dalton Smith's believes. I
can do a fifteen minute power nap and I get
recharged at about quarter seven.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Interest.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's one of my secrets that I'm ready for on Radio.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
No, there's a lot of science related to time maps,
you know, those entire countries that are based around taking
naps in the middle of the day. So the problem is, though,
you do need to get some extended period of sleep.
So I would hope you're getting some type of sleep
at night time, some decent level of sleep, and then
you supplement that with power naps and other types of
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restorative practices during the day.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, I do, and I suspect Michael does as well. Michael,
thank you so much for your call. Thank you, talk
to you soon.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Connect.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I gotta take a quick break, going to be back
with more phone calls. Everybody's now calling in, which is great.
We'll get you in. Everyboney's going to pick the pace
up a little bit. We go one segment left with
doctor Sandra Dalton Smith her book Sacred Rest Recover your Life,
Renew your energy and Restore your Sanity. Back on Nightside
right after this. Now back to Dan Ray live from
(28:54):
the Window World Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
My guess, doctor Saundra Dalton Smith. We're talking about your sleep.
Let's go next to Susan in Bellingham. Susan next the
night Side welcome.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, Hello, Hi Susan.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
Yes, I have a question about when I go to bed.
I'll wake up within one and a half to two
hours just about every night, and I was just wondering
if you had any idea. You know, it seemed I've
looked up online and talked to you know, different people,
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and nobody seems to have a real solution. And I
just wondered. It's not to go to the restroom or anything,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Okay, that was my first thought. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So let's let's see what I know that.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
Let's see we wake up and then I'll say, well,
I may as well go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Right, Let's let's see what doctor Dalton Smith says. Doctor
what time you go to bed normally, Susan?
Speaker 10 (29:56):
Too late? Twelve thirty one am.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I know that after you listen to Nightside and you
you turn off the radio when you go to try
to go to bed.
Speaker 10 (30:06):
Okay, we try to listen to the news right when
we're in when we're in Massachusetts. Now we're in Florida,
so we listened to the Florida news. But but we're
not We're only there half the year.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
So wait, you calling tonight from Flora? Are you calling
tonight from Florida or from Bellingham?
Speaker 10 (30:22):
No, from Florida?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Whereabouts in Florida?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Are you?
Speaker 10 (30:25):
If I could ask the villages?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Has cold there? How cold is it?
Speaker 10 (30:31):
And cold? Yes? It has been for Florida.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
There's a lot of people in Massachusetts down there and
a lot of people in the villages.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And I almost got to go and speak at the villages.
So if you ever want me to come down to
the villages, they speak to my listeners.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You let me know.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Okay, okay, Yeah, that's let's get Let's get doctor. Let's
get Dalton doctor Smith, Dalton Smith to address your question.
Go ahead, doctor Dalton Smith.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, So it really just depends on what's causing you
to wake up or what kind of what's happening when
you wake up. When you put it that way, are
you hot? Are you cold? Is your mind raising? Is
there something like when you wake up? Is there something
specific that's bringing you out of sleep?
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (31:15):
I don't think so. To be honest with you, I
don't know. It's how long has this been going on?
It probably is a good question, because I'm not really sure.
I'd say at least a year I'm almost seventy nine
years old, so you know it's fairly new. But I'm
not sure. So it's a tough question.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I know that, but I just are you how quickly
do you are you able to get back to sleep
after you wake up?
Speaker 10 (31:43):
Yeah? I'd say half the time I can. I can
kind of keep myself in that drowsy, real drowsy state,
but almost half the time I can't go back to sleep.
So I'll take a half of a sleeping pill and
that usually works and I'll wake up within maybe four
hours or so, four and a half at the most.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But Susan, I'm not the doctor here, but one of
the things, have you talked to your own medical doctor
about this, because he would know you best and.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Know if you know, if there's something that I did.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
She just said, no, that's, you know, fairly common problem.
But I don't think it's that common. But no, she
wasn't that concerned, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, Well that's that should put your mind at rest,
doctor Dalton Smith. I got a couple other calls I
got to get to before we let let Susan go
about any final comment.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
For Susan, Yeah, I think the main thing is just
to dald In on what you're feeling when you wake up,
because that'll actually help your doctor. Do you feel like
you're short of breath, do you feel like your leg
are hurting? Or if there's something specific you're feeling that
will help them then be able to look into what.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Might be confident right, right, and Susan, you might also
try to pick up the book Sacred rest Recover your Life, Recover,
do your energy, and restore your sanity. That might give
you some insights as well. I'm sure it's available in
bookstores in the villagers.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Okay, okay, yeah, we have still we have a big
Barnes and Noble here. Yeah, all right. It really is
a great place. But anyway, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I hope to see in the villages sometime.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
Okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I have a lot of friends who live down in
the villages, believe it or not. Sometimes I can talk
to you privately and I can hook you up with
some people from Massachusetts.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
Okay, oh yeah, but I like to still be there
half the year up in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Absolutely got to get the summertime, all right, thank you,
all right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I got two calls and I got two minutes for
each let's do Let's go to Christine and debt him first.
One of my favorite callers. Hey, Christine, you were on
with doctor Sandra Dalton Smith.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Yes, my problem is my mom this past a few
months now has gone in Sundrosing home as a German home,
and now I'm alone at night. I have like couble
of sleep And that's why I love you you keeping
the company and I just I have troubles still, like
kind of settle down, like I always think, like I
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hand noises and I just like I just don't know,
like what else I could do or like to relax
myself at night and kind of go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah, if you're sensitive to it. To background sounds,
some people really do well with what some of us
called white noise or filtered noise. But using something like
the sound of rain in the background, just so that
you're not hearing every little thing that happens in the
house can be very helpful as well. It kind of
tricks your brain into kind of focusing on kind of
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the background hum of that white noise rather than all
of the other sounds.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The rain works for me.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'll tell you, Christine, on a summer day when it's
raining out for real on a Saturday or Sunday. I
put my head down and I've gone for three or
four hours. Thanks Christine, I got to get a.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Couple more in Okay, thank you, thank you, Thanks Christine.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Talk to you soon, Tina. Tina, we're really tight on time.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I got you in here.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Tina is in Hudson, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Go ahead, Tina, So hopefully this will be a quick
question for the doctors who had mentioned that part of
how much sleep you need has to do with getting
the deep sleep. Is there anything we can do to impact.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Our getting that deep sleep? Absolutely. One of the types
of rests I talk about is called sensory rest, and
most of us are exposed to a lot of sensory
inputs from our devices, our phones all the same, and
so starting to learn how to downgrade some of your
sensory inputs, particularly a couple of hours before you go
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to bed, and I don't mean don't use your gadgets,
you know, for the entire time, but being able to
be starting to downgrade some of those inputs, turning off notifications,
using the white noise, things of that nature, and then
just being really aware of the fact that a lot
of us do better with sleeping when we don't have
light facing us. So if your alarm clock is facing you,
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turn it away from you. That blue light actually can
be enough to keep you from going into deeper sleep,
and you wouldn't even be aware of it. It's just
the circadian rhythm is sensitive to light, and that light
can penetrate through and actually worthen your levels that do sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Tina, I hope that helps. That was a great question,
and I think a lot of people can identify with it.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I have a great night. Good night. I'm going to
wrap it up here with is calling from the North
End of Boston. Have y'all go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Yeah, i live in the North End of Boston and
I'm totally blind. I actually moved to the North End
of Boston because I'm totally blind. But I have a
wicked hard time sleep, and like, I worry about my
physical health and it stresses me out so much. It
gives me anxiety, and I'm worried that it's affecting my
health in the long run. And then have you ever
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had any experience talking to totally blind people you know
about solutions for sleeping. I was I really wanted to
get an answer on this when I heard you on here.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, whenever one type of sensory perception is lost, as
you probably already know, other perceptions get heightened, and so
there's a need to make sure that you're not allowing
those heightened perceptions to interfere with the deeper levels of sleep,
and so something to just.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Oh yeah, so like my high anxiety that I have
about sleeping is probably actually affecting my sleep, like because
I can't relax because I'm so nervous all the time.
Because if you're totally blind, you feel like you don't
fit in with society because you don't see like everybody else.
You just don't have your it's just totally dark. So
you're like, right now, I feel like I'm up.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
For the day.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
But it's weird for me to walk around the city
at one am. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I don't want to don't want to be Yeah, you
don't want to be Habia. You do not want to
be walking around the city at one am in the morning.
I know the North End and it's a safe area
and it's it's a congested area, but please remember at
one o'clock in the morning. There are people out there
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who are looking for someone to take advantage of them.
So think about that, my friend. Okay, I mean that
honestly when I say that to you, I wouldn't be
walking around the North End at one o'clock in the morning.
I wouldn't be walking anywhere in the city at one
o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I live right next to Bovitch,
so you can walk right in there, but the bust
and please really, they'll tell you what are you doing?
Are you crazy? And there's like four thousand shelter beds
around it, so a lot of those people don't make
it in the shelter. So if you're totally blind too,
you you run into those people at night.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
But yeah, all right, HOBBYA, I hope that helps. Have
you you've never called my show before, have you?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
No?
Speaker 6 (38:58):
No, I never called. But I do know some people
from West Roxbury who know you from the eighties. I
met you as a kid in the eighties. Actually I
know you through your family members.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
All right, well, how you call any night? Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
There's a round of applause from our digital studio audience,
and thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Let me ask, say, I have you is this book
that you have? Is there an audiobook version of this? Doctor?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
There is, Yes, there's an audiobook version. I read it
myself and for Havi here. Honestly, Jeff, making sure that
you have someone work with you on the anxiety part
of it, because the anxiety has to be treated separate
from the sleeping.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, Hobby.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
The anxiety is so bad that it causes you to
get sick when you don't get sleep. That's part of
being blind. But I'll let y'all go have a great night.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Haba, Thank you much. Call the show anytime, Hobby. If
I can be of help to you, let me know.
The book again is Sacred rest Recover your life, Renew
your energy, Restore your sanity by doctor Sandra Dalton Smith,
Doctor Dalton Smith. This excuse me, excuse me there. I'm
having a little bit of a prog with my throat here.
Great questions from the callers and great answers from you.
(40:08):
Thank you so much for joining us. You more than
exceeded my expectations for this hour. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
All it's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Thanks for having me, all right, Doctor Sandra Dalton Smith, staycred, rest,
recover your life, renew your energy, and restore your sanity.
Twentieth hour comes up on the other side. Stay with
us right after the eleven o'clock news
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