October 28, 2025 • 38 mins
Amid the ongoing government shutdown, SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) Benefits, that roughly a little over a million people in Massachusetts rely on, has been suspended by the U.S. Agriculture Department effective Nov. 4th. The state of MA is among a group of two dozen states that have sued the Trump Admin over this suspension. How can we best help and provide for those who rely on SNAP benefits? Dan has an idea that could at least temporarily help those in MA who rely on SNAP benefits, why not use the roughly over $8 billion rainy day fund to help residents in MA who need assistance?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Coustin's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. As we move into
the ten o'clock hour here on Tuesday night. Where has
October gone? It's the twenty eighth day of October. The
month of October ends Halloween, of course, on the thirty first.
On Friday night and Saturday morning, it will be November.
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This the year just seemed to have picked up speed.
It's just the last few months have gone very quickly. Anyway,
nothing has happened in Washington for the last twenty eight days.
The federal government has been shut down since October one.
Today is day twenty eighth of the shutdown, and there
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seems to be no end in sight. And as a
consequence of the government shutdown, the supplemental nutrition distance program
called SNAP. SNAP benefits that about a million people here
in Massachusetts rely upon will go dark this Saturday, which
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means that the SNAP benefits that a million people, and
many of them are single moms. Many of those million
kids children, and some are older folks as well. And
I'm sure there's some fraud in there, but the vast
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majority of these folks have a need to live and
to eat and to have some dignity. And one of
the things that we do with our sort of social
contract here in Massachusetts is we make sure that we
like to think, we make sure that no one goes
to bed hungry any night in Massachusetts. And I know
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that it's a big task, and I know it costs
a lot of money, and the governor has taken a
position that I definitely disagree with. The governor seems to
me that she wants to play politics with this. Now.
You know, you had the congresswoman here from Massachusetts, Catherin Clark,
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who made a comment that they know that people will suffer,
but that's the leverage that the Democrats have, which was
really a callous remark by Captain Clark. She should be
a better person than that, in my opinion. But this
is what more Healy said recently about this stopping of
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snap benefits. And I have a solution, talked about it
on Friday night, and I'm going to talk about it again.
By the way, I have the Captain Clark, so let
me let me play this back to back. I'm going
to change my thought here, Shane, Please please play for me.
This is going to be twelve A Democratic Representative Catherine
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Clark basically talking about family suffering as bargaining leverage Cut
twelve A, please shame.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, shutdowns are terrible and of course there will
be you know, families that are going to suffer. We
take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one of
the few leverage times we have.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
One of the few leverage times we have. And the
weed that she's referring to the Democrats in Washington and
back here in Massachusetts, this is what Governor Moore Healey
had to say, pointing fingers as the Democrats are so
apt to do, and many times they're legitimate, but this
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is one where we could do something about it. I'll
explain in a moment, but this is cut twelve B.
Governor Moore Healey concerned. It seems to me about just
pointing fingers.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
President Trump has chosen to stop all snap benefits to
Americans starting next week. You know, leadership is a choice,
and sadly President Trump has chosen to take away food
from people all around this country. Let me tell you
the impact in Massachusetts. That's going to mean that that
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one million people in Massachusetts are not going to have
their food benefits starting next week. Thirty two percent of
them are children, thirty one percent are people with disabilities,
twenty six percent are seniors. So over a million people
in the Bay State next week will lose their food benefits.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, she's talking about Saturday. That's coming Saturday, November. First. Well,
first of all, I think she's mistaken. This isn't a
decision that President Trump made. This is the decision the
consequence of the Republicans of voting to open the government
and end the shutdown. Madam Governor and the Democrats your
party are the people who are voting to keep the
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government closed. That by not voting to open the government.
That is a fact, which, however you want to spend
spin it as leadership is a choice. Well, I'm going
to turn it around on your governor, because leadership is
a choice. I talked about this on Friday night. On
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Friday night, I talked about what Governor Heally could do
to stop people in Massachusetts, the thirty two percent children
and the thirty one percent with disabilities, and the twenty
six percent who are seniors. We have a rainy day
fund in Massachusetts eight point eight billion billion with a
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B dollars and she could invade that again, that that
very important rainy day fund. It's not gonna exhaust it,
but that rainy day fund could be used for people
here in Massachusetts. What good is a raindy day fund
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if it's not used for people who are gonna wake
up on Saturday morning and for them when they lose
their snap benefits. It will be a rainy day fund.
And apparently we could. We could go in there for
a month for just a couple one hundred million dollars
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and solve the problem here in Massachusetts and serve as
a shining light to the country that we take care
of our own here in Massachusetts. I want to play
my comments this. These comments are from Friday night, Friday night,
in a conversation with a caller here on night Side
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during the nine o'clock hour. You can listen. If you
don't believe me, you can listen to Nightside on demand
nine o'clock Friday night. Please play a portion of that
hour cut eighteen A, please, Shane. We have a rainy
day fund in Massachusetts, which is there? You know it's
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I'll get the amount of money, but it's somewhere around
eight billion dollars. I know that's the last number I
had seen. If the government, the federal government is still
shut down by November first and the SNAP funds stop,
I don't see why we can't use some of the
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rainy Day fund money here in Massachusetts to make sure
that no family is hungry in Massachusetts or no mom. No.
A lot of the people who are on the SNAP
programs are either single moms, kids, or are older or
elder people. So my argument would be is we had
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eight billion dollars in our rainy day fund in Massachusetts.
Now that normally is for when there's a problem, you know, economically, Well, yeah,
this is going to be a problem economically for these families.
So I think the governor should invade with the legislature
and use that rainy day fund. And the governor has
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been now asked about that. I don't know if it
was prompted by my comments on on Friday night, but
the governor I heard her asked about that today. It
was during the six o'clock news tonight on Channel five.
She was asked about it and said no, said no.
So the governor has the ability to free up enough money,
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a small amount, a small percentage of the Rainy Day fund,
but she's going to choose not to do that. Well,
today one of the candidates for governor, Mike Kaneely, released
a pretty car apprehensive uh plan uh. And we're going
to talk with him next. We'll be back on Night's Side.
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And if you'd like to talk about it, and if
you agree with me that the governor is asleep at
the switch or as essentially not doing what needs to
be done, fine, if you disagree with me. If you
agree with me, we need to put some pressure on
this governor. And by the way, UH, their office monitors
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everything that's said on the radio. They never reached out
to me today or yesterday, and I was hoping they would.
But at this point, if you're a snap recipient this
governor UH, and I, as a resident of Massachusetts, want
my money that's in the Rainy Day Fund to help you.
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Six thirty six one seven, nine thirty will be talked
with Republican GUBERNATORO candidate Mike Kinneely about his press release
which lays it out very clearly. Right after this break, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Night Side with Dan Yoston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Joining us now is Mike Kneely. He is a candidate
for governor. Please bring Mike up for me, Shane on seven.
Is he there? I'm here, Dan, Okay, great, Mike, just
wanted to make sure you were there. I was delighted
to see your eleven point plan to protect Snap, to
protect SNAP recipients amid Healy's failure. So I want to
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focus on the Rainy Day Fund. We'll hit some of
the other the points in your plan. But the Rainy
Day Fund now has about eight point eight billion dollars,
that's right, and it says one month of that money
would cover the money that is needed to feed the
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million people who are SNAP beneficiaries. How much in real
dollars is that?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
If you know, well, it's somewhere north of two hundred
million dollars as our estimate. Well, you know, Governor really
used a couple different numbers for this. At one point
she said two forty another two hundred ten million. But
in any case, it's, you know, about two and a
half percent of the current fund balance would cover about
a month for the folks that need those funds.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I assume that if and when and the government
shut down ends, that we then Massachusetts could go back
and ask the Trump administration to pay us back for
the money that we covered our snap beneficiaries, right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, I think I think we certainly should, Dan, if
you look at the the UH first. I really appreciate
the chance to be on here. And it's pointed out
to me that you made a similar suggestion on Friday,
So great minds thinkle like I guess right, No, I
actually I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
If you were on hold, but I played a little
bit of my my comments on Friday. Yeah I did.
It just seemed to me a no brainer. I remember
when the Rainy Day fund was a billion was a
billion dollars, and we thought that was a lot of money,
and then you worked with Charlie Baker and over time
you mentioned in your press release today it's now eight
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point eight. I suspect it's probably closer to nine billion,
because the eight point eight number I've got I got
that out of the controller's office, and I think that's
a August number. But the stock market's been rolling for
the last two or three months, so there's probably more
than enough money there to cover many months, many months. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It's a really good point, Dan, And this is a
great example of a rainy day in my view. Right.
And by the way, I appreciate you pointed out that
it was a billion dollars at the start of the
Baker administration, and we grew it up to eight billion
dollars while returning three billion dollars to the taxpayer in
twenty twenty two. So I would just say, first of all,
that's what sound fiscal management looks like. Growing raty day
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fund April while returning three billion dollars to taxpayer. So
the funds are there in a situation where folks need
money for food. Strikes me as a pretty darn good
definition of a rainy day.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, it's really a rainy day for ready day for
those million people who on Saturday are going to go
to the cupboard and find the covert of spear. Why
do you think this governor, who obviously is very good
at finger pointing at the Trump administration, and in some
cases rightfully so she points at the Trump administration, but
in this one she could basically if her staff people
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were smart, they would say to her, look, you can
can fund this with with ease. I you can embarrass
the Trump administration. Because if I don't know that the
president has the ability frankly to fund it, I don't
think he can do that, Okay. I heard yesterday that
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someone had made a personal donation of one hundred and
thirty million dollars to make sure every member of the
military at least gets some money this month. I don't
think the president physically, legally, constitutionally has the ability to
say we're going to fund snap benefits while the government
is shut down. But Governor Healy certainly has the moral
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and the constitutional right to use the rainy day fund
for what it is meant to be used for, which
you just talked about, a rainy day for SNAP beneficiaries.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, she sure does. And Dan, I think you hit
on something very important. She's much more interested in finger
putting and laying blame on people than solving problems. And
my team and I looked at this and I said, look,
this situation is crying out for leadership, which means a
solution to the problem. That's my only interest in this.
Come up with a solution that will benefit the people
of Massachusetts. And that's what we came up with. And
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as part of the plan, the demand that Congress acts
and gets back into office and and then the shutdown
is you mentioned using a small portion of the rainy
Day fund. A key part of this is also a
full auditive snap to really root out any ways for
AUDN abuse that's there, to make sure every dollar goes
to those who need it. And fourth, the key part
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is after the crisis is over, going to Washington to
meet with President Trump and try to get federal reimbursement
for any state funds we use. That struck me as
a really sensible approach to the plant approach to the problem.
But it starts with the premise that leaders should try
to solve versus try to blame. More. Heally's interested in blaming.
I'm interested in solving.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I just don't understand why she's not perceptive enough to
say if Donald Trump, and again I don't think he
has the constitutional authority to release those funds, but we'll
leave that for some constitutional lawyers to disagree with me.
I don't think he has that authority anymore than he
has the authority to pay to unilaterally authorized payment for
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the air traffic controllers for the US military. But put
that aside. You talk about our legislators getting back to work,
which I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
In addition, you again talk about using the Rainy Day
Fund on a temporary basis getting reimbursement for it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And it's an eleven point plan that I don't understand.
I don't understand. Do you think she Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Well, yeah, I think this is to.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Me, it's a it's a no brainer. You put it
on paper. She should steal your plan, is what I.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Hope she does. I came up with the planet it
was best for the people of Massachusetts, and I hope
she implements it. But I will say I think the
Democrats in the scenario, our governor and our congressional delegation
seem to be a lot more interested in the Pola
six of this than in the problem itself. And I'll
highlight the quote I'm sure you've mentioned this on your show,
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were Representative Clark said last week about families suffering our
effectively political leverage for her.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
We played that quote just before you got on. And
then you have a quote from Jim McGovern who said, quote,
I want our state and every other state, including a
lot of the red states, to be putting all the
pressure that they can on the administration. Right, And you're right,
instead of feeding kids and like Clark and McGovern, Mike
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kneely Rice. He refused to let children, veterans and senior
starve to a political game. And that is what it's
all about. You know, the Rainy Day funds. There's tax
money in there from Democrats, from Republicans and independents. And
we are the so called commonwealth of Massachusetts and they
love to use the phrase commonwealth. Well, I have all
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the empathy in the world the folks who who are
a snap beneficiaries. If this fraud, you get rid of it.
But the vast majority of them, I'm sure there because
they have a need that you know, a certain percentage
of them are kids, A certain percentage of them a
single moms, Some have disabilities, some are seniors. You're a Republican,
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you're taking the position to get money into the hends
of these folks. Yes, I assume it can be done
administratively pretty easily. I don't want to have someone call
in and tell me, well, it can't be done administratively.
I assume it can be done administratively correct.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, that would make it happen. I mean you need
to have you know, competent executive leadership in the corner
office and make it happen. But again, this is what
leaders do. As governor, I would say this is my plan.
I want to execute on all eleven points of this plan,
and say my team go make it happen. But it
just requires the will to get this stuff done. And
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I'll come back to the comments made by by the
two Democratic congress people. That is absolutely shameful and it
just shows that this is a this is a political
show for them. It's all about political leverage. It's not
about the people of Massachusetts. And you brought up something
really important, Dan, Where do the rainy day funds come
come from? It came from us, right, We've paid taxes
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and the state wisely just to save some of the
money for a rainy day. Guess what if this if
folks need their snap uh, and it's rainy for them,
as you said, so let's use some of our money
for that use on a temporary basis and then go
seek reimbursement if you can down the line.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I'll tell you what really obsessed me. What really
obsessed me is that the mcgovernance of the world and
the clocks of the world. And I guess now more healing,
which which he really has disappointed me. Here if they
want to put on the table how much money they
personally contribute to food pantries up against how much money
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I contribute to food pantries. Oh, I would be more
than happy to engage in that activity and that exercise.
And this is what really frustrates me and angers me.
And you know, we see the Democratic Party going off
into the far lift with Mudamie down in New York.
We're not very far behind here in Massachusetts, where we're
going to allow people not to have food on November first,
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in order to have some sort of theoretical political advantage
over President Trump. That is immoral, It should be immoral,
and it's obscene.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Dan, I agree with all that. It is a moral
and ob seen and in my experience in government, so
much of what government does, especially at the state level,
it is not ideological. Okay, it's not political. We're literally
talking about feeding people that need food, Okay, that that
defies any political or ideological characterization. That's their real need
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that government can fill and should fill, So why not
do it?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Couldn't agree with you more well, miken Neelie, thank you
very much for put on paper what I talked about
on Friday night. I'm sure you came to it without
being prompted. I'm not suggesting that that that you took
my idea at all, but again it is uh, we
both think alike, and I'm hoping that my audience will
echo what what I said on Friday night and what
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you released today in written for I.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
So too, and thank you Dan for advocating this point
as well. It's an important one. And again that's what
we have to look at, is what's best for the
people of Massachusetts. And I believe this plan is best.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Absolutely, it's it's it's a it's a thorough plan, and
I don't know that she will have the political courage
to admit to it, uh and say, guess what, I've
been late to the party. But I'm going to make
this happen. Let's hope she Let's hope she does the
right thing. And you know what I'd like to see.
I'd like to see some of the reporters up at
the State House, of which I used to be one,
to summon up a little bit of backbone and spine
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and put her on the spot, and put the governor
on the spot and ask her these questions and why
she's not following through on a very obvious source of
funding that that is at her disposal, as opposed to
as opposed to wasting time on news conferences to try
to gain political leverage. We'll have you back many times.
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Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
This is appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, Yes, we are going to take a break. We
got a newscast coming up, and I'm a couple of
minutes late for that. But I hope you understand what
I'm saying, and I hope Governor Healey and her staff
understand what I'm saying. Governor, you're making a huge mistake,
a mistake morally, politically, in every which way. Don't lack
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the courage, Governor to use the rainy day fund in case? Uh,
and it's and the wheel should be in motion now.
You should not wait until Saturday, November first. But if
the threat exists that either children are are single moms,
or people with disabilities or senior citizens will not have
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food in their home or they will have to go
to a food pantry and stand in line, make it happen, Governor,
make it happen. It doesn't matter whose idea it was.
You should have thought of it beforehand. You need to
implement it. Now, if you agree with me, six one
seven four ten thirty six one seven nine three one
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ten thirty. If you disagree with me, the numbers are
the same. Give us a call. I want to talk
about this for a while because I think it is
a very important issue, not only for the people who
are benefiting from from SNAP benefits, but also it's important
for people who are contributing to the tax base here
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in Massachusetts. If you're going to take money from me
for taxes, I want it us to help people. I
hope you agree. Coming back on Nightside News radio, all right,
let's go to the phones here see what people have
to say. Again, this is this should not be a
political act. You can, you can argue politics in Washington,
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but we need to take care of people here in Massachusetts.
And I am stunned that the governor's staff is not
smart enough to say, by the way, two percent of
the rainy day fund as we have would would easily
do a month. Two and a half percent max would
take care of the month of November, and another two
percent would take care of December. Now, the uh, the
the the entire problem is going to be a resolved
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before that. I mean, the government will get back to work. Okay,
trust me on that. Let me go to John and Debtam. Hey, John, welcome,
you're next year first, well first this hour with as
a caller on nightside. What is what's your thought in
this situation? John?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Do you know what you said this? I was just
I was just livid about you know, and I'm just
sick of our governor. And I don't know how the
heck she continues to get voted in. But before I said,
is she wanted the people who is like refusing our
state order? Is a Dianea Zoglio about auditing the legislature?
She's part of that group. Well, no matter.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Let me let me try to give you an honest
answer on that. Okay. Uh, Dizaglio Uh wants to audit
the audit Azaglio wants to audit the legislature, the House
of Representatives, and the State Senate. Okay, Sozaglio is not
asking to audit the executive office. As far as I know,
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I don't know that the governor has taken a position
one way or the other. If she's taken a position
and supporting Dozaglio, it must be a very quiet position.
I haven't heard her talk about that, and having interviewed
on Diana and Desaglio on several occasions, I think that
if Governor Healy was with the auditor on this, we
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would know about it. Let me put it like that.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I think I think totally agree on that. And at
this point, no matter what she does, she has shown
her two colors. Even if she now reversus does raise
the money. This is if Biden was in office right
now and this was going on, she would find the money.
If I remember, when all the illegals are being sent
up here, didn't it cost us stay like a billion dollars?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well significantly more, significantly more than that.
And and the argument that the governor at that time
made these are human beings. They may not be residents
of Massachusetts, but once they were in Massachusetts, we have
a responsibility to feed and house them, make sure that
children go to school. They got you know, cab rides
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back and forth, the doctor's appointments, there were, there was
billions of dollars. Billions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, beautiful, was just one billion. Illegals matter more to
the by the.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Way, No, no, it was a billion a year for
two years at least it was. It was in excessive
two billion dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Finding a billion dollars for them but for our and
not you know, thank me, I don't need it. But
I am just sick of this governor continue to play again.
If the best of my knowledge, Trump doesn't vote on
keeping the country open, this is right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Absolutely, And by the way, it so happens. That's the
Democrats who are voting against the Republicans are voting to
open it up, to have a continuing resolution, what they
call a clear resolution, so that everything would stay status quo,
and then they would have have seven weeks to argue
about it. The Democrats are saying, we are going to
vote against opening up the government until you agree in
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advance of our negotiations or our conversations, you agree to
three or four of our major proposals.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
They they already admit it to it. They're using families
and kids as leverage. How do you say that, good consciousness,
how do we even admit to that?
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think probably down to you. They think most people
are stupid and then.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
And the place.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But you're not stupid, and I'm not stupid, And I
hope that a lot of people can wake up here
a little bit, and and understand we have the money
we have. We have eight point eight really it's close
to nine billion dollars in what they call the stabilization Fund,
it's called the Rainy Day Fund. Before Charlie Baker came in,
they would they thought a billion dollars would tie us
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over if there was some sort of an economic problem.
We now have eight point eight or nine billion dollars
in the Rainy Day Fund. And the governor didn't think, hey,
we can take the pressure off these these these million
residents in Massachusetts who receive snap benefits. Why would she
not even immediately that should be here instinct. Take care
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of the people, and then we'll worry about if, if,
if our any day fund goes down a little bit.
It's a rainy day on Sunday, on Saturday for these folks.
When they told, you know, I mean I go to
the store of the other day, I'm sure that these
folks need to go to the store the other day too.
They don't have a month's worth of food in their
refrigerator and in their cupboard to take care of their kids,
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so to take care of people with disabilities, this is obscene.
It is absolutely obscene what this governor is doing.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
You hit on it earlier. It's it's it's basically a
political that the Democrats, and I hate the generalize because
a good Democrats out there, they have to depend on deception,
they don't reality. And have you had I think you
said it though, but if you've asked Comany Heley to
come on there with you, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We've had. We've had Governor Heally on before, Okay, And
she knows that she can come on here any night.
And if she wants to come on and explain to
me tomorrow night, why why she chose not to use
some of the rainy day fund. She's more than welcome, She's.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
More than when when I first heard you say, when
the player play that cut of her talking about Trump,
I can't use gadget terms I want to use. But
a liar was one of the words that popped into
my head, Like why are you yelling at Trump? It's
Congress had voting on this thing.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, they don't teach civic they don't teach civics in
schools anymore. And you got to listen to a program
like this, I'm calling it. Look, I've had more Healey
on this program. I was very impressed with mar Heey
when she ran for governor. I'm very disappointed in her governorship.
And I'm just gonna be honest. That's I have to
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tell you what I think.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And I'll end it with this because I know you
got other callers, but if you said it for the
word I was always I was going to say. To
be with, she has to count just like if I
remember when Obama was president that I think was the
MIT professor Obamacare. He said it basically, yeah, Americans are stupid.
She has to count on stupidity of Massachusetts others to
vote for her. Again, it's the only way she could win.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, look, the Democrats do very well in Massachusetts. A
lot of people vote blindly. And I'm not here to
advocate for any candidate at all. I thought that when
I saw knely eleven point plan today, it's a very influence.
By the way, Let's hope that the Boston Globe does
an editorial and basically points out the obvious that the
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Rainy Day Fund is used and is and amassed for
exactly a situation like this.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Well, thankfully for your show. Hopefully you get some people
to come out whether it's her or not. But like
I said, you show her true colors. You can't. She
can't reverse that. She should be done well all I
all I ask.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You to do is tell your friends about Night's Side,
because we will. We will be honest with you. When
when Trump does something well, I'll tell you when he
when he when he does something dumb, I'll tell you
what my opinions are. Simple as that. Thanks so much, John,
Thank you, Talk to you soon. Go take very quick break.
I got a couple of open lines. I have one
that John Jessica off six one seven, two five four
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ten thirty, and I have two at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I want to hear from you.
This is important if you're a resident of Massachusetts or
if you're outside of Massachusetts. This is what each state
should be doing. This is what our system of government
is intended to do. If the federal government is not
able to help people who are in crisis or who
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need help, the states need to step in in the
short term. Eventually they can be they can get the
money back from the federal government, but they need to
attend to the problem. Now back on Nightside, right after this,
you're on.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Lori in Melrose. Hey, Laurie, welcome next to on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Yes, Hi, I just want to say, is I don't
get kudos to the federal government or the state. I
don't say I think federal government should have done something
since they haven't done it, and we're in this position
too for our people, and we have the money, as
you say, I mean it's a small percentage. You're not
to complete the fund at all. I think they can
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do to be political, and he Lee could definitely easily say,
look at the government wouldn't take care of this, We're
going to come and save our people and shame on you.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, simply the right thing to do. I mean, she
could do it that way, and she doesn't even to
even have to be political. It would be obvious that
she's doing something. The federal government is. You know, they
got themselves tied up in Notts right now. They can
blame back and forth with the Republicans of the Democrats.
I'm not interested in that argument tonight. I'm interested on
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I'm interested in a lot of these people in Massachusetts.
I pay taxes. I assume you pay taxes. That's my
tax money that is sitting in that. You know, obviously
it's not eight billion dollars of my tax money, but
it's my tax money and it's your tax money. And
I want some of that tax money used to take
care of these these one million people who are going
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to be without food beginning on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
What is going around, you know, beg you for people
to get to bring food to the different sons and
get this and that when that money can be used
for some of the other things, you know, on a
daily basis. You know, the money's just sitting there, you know, No,
it's definitely the thing to do. I mean, and stealth
ktting so plilical and Democrat, Republican Trump and Eli who
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cares about either one of them?
Speaker 8 (34:22):
To kill you the truth? You know, I really don't.
I think the government said the government should have done it,
and they didn't do it, so we should do it.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, thank you very much, Thank you, Laurie. I appreciate
your support. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Good right, okay, good night.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Let me go to Amanda in Dorchester. Amanda, you were
next on nightside. Welcome. Well, we lost Amanda. So if
Amanda wants to call back, what has happened there is
Amanda probably had had us on speakerphone. If she wants
to call back, Shane, we can put her to the
top of the list. Let me go to Terry down
on Cape Cod Terry, you are next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, how you're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm getting pretty angry tonight, to be honest.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Well, I'm going to take the temperature down for you
a bit. But I might get fired as Judge Terry tonight,
But that's okay. I'm gonna put it out there. I
do not believe for one second that our leadership in
Massachusetts is turning their back on anyone that needs a meal.
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Now here's the thing, ye Number one, the Trump administration
is already threatened Governor Seely that if she pays for this,
they will not reimburse it. Well, I don't know if
that can be legal or not. But Governor Healy came
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up with another plan because she smart. She got the
wonderful people from the United Way to step up. Because
that's outside of taxpayer money. She has encouraged anyone in
Massachusetts that has an extra dollar to give it immediately.
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To the United Way Unite Way is gonna pay.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm gonna very disagree, but Terry, that's okay. That that
is a that's a cop out because the money is there,
eight point eight or nine bills.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I understand the dollars, that is money has authority to use.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Go ahead, Andrew Joy Campbell is leading the group.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
The Massachusetts Fedral District Court tomorrow. Oh yeah, put a
hold on Trump from not paying. I do believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Underwady, I know a little bit about the court system. Okay,
that is that will result in nothing. There won't be
one kid who's going to get a cheerio or one
kid who's going to get a ring ding or a
glass of milk. And I political talk is cheap. It's
time for them to put up some money and make
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this happen. Terry, you and I are friend, you will
always be friends. But we disagree on this one. And
I'm up against the eleven o'clock.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
News, and I gotta let you wait and see how
this plays out.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
When the federal judge comes in and orders Trump and
everybody gets their their food on time, I want you
to call me back and tell me.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
How brilliant I won't be happy to do that when
you find out that people didn't get didn't get their
their uh their their stamp benefits, and there are people
who are really in trouble.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I want you to call back and tell me Daniel right.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
Thanks, I'm going to take a few of them out
to lunch myself. I can't afford to do it, but
I will.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, thanks very much, Terry, Thanks, bye bye, We'll be back.
If you agree with Terry, please continue the conversation. If
you agree with me, continue the conversation. This is insane.
This is insane. We're coming back on Night's side right
after the break. Speak up, folks,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Coustin's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. As we move into
the ten o'clock hour here on Tuesday night. Where has
October gone? It's the twenty eighth day of October. The
month of October ends Halloween, of course, on the thirty first.
On Friday night and Saturday morning, it will be November.
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This the year just seemed to have picked up speed.
It's just the last few months have gone very quickly. Anyway,
nothing has happened in Washington for the last twenty eight days.
The federal government has been shut down since October one.
Today is day twenty eighth of the shutdown, and there
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seems to be no end in sight. And as a
consequence of the government shutdown, the supplemental nutrition distance program
called SNAP. SNAP benefits that about a million people here
in Massachusetts rely upon will go dark this Saturday, which
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means that the SNAP benefits that a million people, and
many of them are single moms. Many of those million
kids children, and some are older folks as well. And
I'm sure there's some fraud in there, but the vast
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majority of these folks have a need to live and
to eat and to have some dignity. And one of
the things that we do with our sort of social
contract here in Massachusetts is we make sure that we
like to think, we make sure that no one goes
to bed hungry any night in Massachusetts. And I know
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that it's a big task, and I know it costs
a lot of money, and the governor has taken a
position that I definitely disagree with. The governor seems to
me that she wants to play politics with this. Now.
You know, you had the congresswoman here from Massachusetts, Catherin Clark,
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who made a comment that they know that people will suffer,
but that's the leverage that the Democrats have, which was
really a callous remark by Captain Clark. She should be
a better person than that, in my opinion. But this
is what more Healy said recently about this stopping of
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snap benefits. And I have a solution, talked about it
on Friday night, and I'm going to talk about it again.
By the way, I have the Captain Clark, so let
me let me play this back to back. I'm going
to change my thought here, Shane, Please please play for me.
This is going to be twelve A Democratic Representative Catherine
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Clark basically talking about family suffering as bargaining leverage Cut
twelve A, please shame.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, shutdowns are terrible and of course there will
be you know, families that are going to suffer. We
take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one of
the few leverage times we have.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
One of the few leverage times we have. And the
weed that she's referring to the Democrats in Washington and
back here in Massachusetts, this is what Governor Moore Healey
had to say, pointing fingers as the Democrats are so
apt to do, and many times they're legitimate, but this
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is one where we could do something about it. I'll
explain in a moment, but this is cut twelve B.
Governor Moore Healey concerned. It seems to me about just
pointing fingers.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
President Trump has chosen to stop all snap benefits to
Americans starting next week. You know, leadership is a choice,
and sadly President Trump has chosen to take away food
from people all around this country. Let me tell you
the impact in Massachusetts. That's going to mean that that
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one million people in Massachusetts are not going to have
their food benefits starting next week. Thirty two percent of
them are children, thirty one percent are people with disabilities,
twenty six percent are seniors. So over a million people
in the Bay State next week will lose their food benefits.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, she's talking about Saturday. That's coming Saturday, November. First. Well,
first of all, I think she's mistaken. This isn't a
decision that President Trump made. This is the decision the
consequence of the Republicans of voting to open the government
and end the shutdown. Madam Governor and the Democrats your
party are the people who are voting to keep the
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government closed. That by not voting to open the government.
That is a fact, which, however you want to spend
spin it as leadership is a choice. Well, I'm going
to turn it around on your governor, because leadership is
a choice. I talked about this on Friday night. On
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Friday night, I talked about what Governor Heally could do
to stop people in Massachusetts, the thirty two percent children
and the thirty one percent with disabilities, and the twenty
six percent who are seniors. We have a rainy day
fund in Massachusetts eight point eight billion billion with a
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B dollars and she could invade that again, that that
very important rainy day fund. It's not gonna exhaust it,
but that rainy day fund could be used for people
here in Massachusetts. What good is a raindy day fund
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if it's not used for people who are gonna wake
up on Saturday morning and for them when they lose
their snap benefits. It will be a rainy day fund.
And apparently we could. We could go in there for
a month for just a couple one hundred million dollars
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and solve the problem here in Massachusetts and serve as
a shining light to the country that we take care
of our own here in Massachusetts. I want to play
my comments this. These comments are from Friday night, Friday night,
in a conversation with a caller here on night Side
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during the nine o'clock hour. You can listen. If you
don't believe me, you can listen to Nightside on demand
nine o'clock Friday night. Please play a portion of that
hour cut eighteen A, please, Shane. We have a rainy
day fund in Massachusetts, which is there? You know it's
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I'll get the amount of money, but it's somewhere around
eight billion dollars. I know that's the last number I
had seen. If the government, the federal government is still
shut down by November first and the SNAP funds stop,
I don't see why we can't use some of the
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rainy Day fund money here in Massachusetts to make sure
that no family is hungry in Massachusetts or no mom. No.
A lot of the people who are on the SNAP
programs are either single moms, kids, or are older or
elder people. So my argument would be is we had
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eight billion dollars in our rainy day fund in Massachusetts.
Now that normally is for when there's a problem, you know, economically, Well, yeah,
this is going to be a problem economically for these families.
So I think the governor should invade with the legislature
and use that rainy day fund. And the governor has
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been now asked about that. I don't know if it
was prompted by my comments on on Friday night, but
the governor I heard her asked about that today. It
was during the six o'clock news tonight on Channel five.
She was asked about it and said no, said no.
So the governor has the ability to free up enough money,
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a small amount, a small percentage of the Rainy Day fund,
but she's going to choose not to do that. Well,
today one of the candidates for governor, Mike Kaneely, released
a pretty car apprehensive uh plan uh. And we're going
to talk with him next. We'll be back on Night's Side.
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And if you'd like to talk about it, and if
you agree with me that the governor is asleep at
the switch or as essentially not doing what needs to
be done, fine, if you disagree with me. If you
agree with me, we need to put some pressure on
this governor. And by the way, UH, their office monitors
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everything that's said on the radio. They never reached out
to me today or yesterday, and I was hoping they would.
But at this point, if you're a snap recipient this
governor UH, and I, as a resident of Massachusetts, want
my money that's in the Rainy Day Fund to help you.
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Six thirty six one seven, nine thirty will be talked
with Republican GUBERNATORO candidate Mike Kinneely about his press release
which lays it out very clearly. Right after this break, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Night Side with Dan Yoston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Joining us now is Mike Kneely. He is a candidate
for governor. Please bring Mike up for me, Shane on seven.
Is he there? I'm here, Dan, Okay, great, Mike, just
wanted to make sure you were there. I was delighted
to see your eleven point plan to protect Snap, to
protect SNAP recipients amid Healy's failure. So I want to
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focus on the Rainy Day Fund. We'll hit some of
the other the points in your plan. But the Rainy
Day Fund now has about eight point eight billion dollars,
that's right, and it says one month of that money
would cover the money that is needed to feed the
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million people who are SNAP beneficiaries. How much in real
dollars is that?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
If you know, well, it's somewhere north of two hundred
million dollars as our estimate. Well, you know, Governor really
used a couple different numbers for this. At one point
she said two forty another two hundred ten million. But
in any case, it's, you know, about two and a
half percent of the current fund balance would cover about
a month for the folks that need those funds.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I assume that if and when and the government
shut down ends, that we then Massachusetts could go back
and ask the Trump administration to pay us back for
the money that we covered our snap beneficiaries, right.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, I think I think we certainly should, Dan, if
you look at the the UH first. I really appreciate
the chance to be on here. And it's pointed out
to me that you made a similar suggestion on Friday,
So great minds thinkle like I guess right, No, I
actually I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
If you were on hold, but I played a little
bit of my my comments on Friday. Yeah I did.
It just seemed to me a no brainer. I remember
when the Rainy Day fund was a billion was a
billion dollars, and we thought that was a lot of money,
and then you worked with Charlie Baker and over time
you mentioned in your press release today it's now eight
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point eight. I suspect it's probably closer to nine billion,
because the eight point eight number I've got I got
that out of the controller's office, and I think that's
a August number. But the stock market's been rolling for
the last two or three months, so there's probably more
than enough money there to cover many months, many months. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
It's a really good point, Dan, And this is a
great example of a rainy day in my view. Right.
And by the way, I appreciate you pointed out that
it was a billion dollars at the start of the
Baker administration, and we grew it up to eight billion
dollars while returning three billion dollars to the taxpayer in
twenty twenty two. So I would just say, first of all,
that's what sound fiscal management looks like. Growing raty day
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fund April while returning three billion dollars to taxpayer. So
the funds are there in a situation where folks need
money for food. Strikes me as a pretty darn good
definition of a rainy day.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, it's really a rainy day for ready day for
those million people who on Saturday are going to go
to the cupboard and find the covert of spear. Why
do you think this governor, who obviously is very good
at finger pointing at the Trump administration, and in some
cases rightfully so she points at the Trump administration, but
in this one she could basically if her staff people
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were smart, they would say to her, look, you can
can fund this with with ease. I you can embarrass
the Trump administration. Because if I don't know that the
president has the ability frankly to fund it, I don't
think he can do that, Okay. I heard yesterday that
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someone had made a personal donation of one hundred and
thirty million dollars to make sure every member of the
military at least gets some money this month. I don't
think the president physically, legally, constitutionally has the ability to
say we're going to fund snap benefits while the government
is shut down. But Governor Healy certainly has the moral
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and the constitutional right to use the rainy day fund
for what it is meant to be used for, which
you just talked about, a rainy day for SNAP beneficiaries.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, she sure does. And Dan, I think you hit
on something very important. She's much more interested in finger
putting and laying blame on people than solving problems. And
my team and I looked at this and I said, look,
this situation is crying out for leadership, which means a
solution to the problem. That's my only interest in this.
Come up with a solution that will benefit the people
of Massachusetts. And that's what we came up with. And
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as part of the plan, the demand that Congress acts
and gets back into office and and then the shutdown
is you mentioned using a small portion of the rainy
Day fund. A key part of this is also a
full auditive snap to really root out any ways for
AUDN abuse that's there, to make sure every dollar goes
to those who need it. And fourth, the key part
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is after the crisis is over, going to Washington to
meet with President Trump and try to get federal reimbursement
for any state funds we use. That struck me as
a really sensible approach to the plant approach to the problem.
But it starts with the premise that leaders should try
to solve versus try to blame. More. Heally's interested in blaming.
I'm interested in solving.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I just don't understand why she's not perceptive enough to
say if Donald Trump, and again I don't think he
has the constitutional authority to release those funds, but we'll
leave that for some constitutional lawyers to disagree with me.
I don't think he has that authority anymore than he
has the authority to pay to unilaterally authorized payment for
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the air traffic controllers for the US military. But put
that aside. You talk about our legislators getting back to work,
which I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
In addition, you again talk about using the Rainy Day
Fund on a temporary basis getting reimbursement for it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And it's an eleven point plan that I don't understand.
I don't understand. Do you think she Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Well, yeah, I think this is to.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Me, it's a it's a no brainer. You put it
on paper. She should steal your plan, is what I.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Hope she does. I came up with the planet it
was best for the people of Massachusetts, and I hope
she implements it. But I will say I think the
Democrats in the scenario, our governor and our congressional delegation
seem to be a lot more interested in the Pola
six of this than in the problem itself. And I'll
highlight the quote I'm sure you've mentioned this on your show,
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were Representative Clark said last week about families suffering our
effectively political leverage for her.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
We played that quote just before you got on. And
then you have a quote from Jim McGovern who said, quote,
I want our state and every other state, including a
lot of the red states, to be putting all the
pressure that they can on the administration. Right, And you're right,
instead of feeding kids and like Clark and McGovern, Mike
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kneely Rice. He refused to let children, veterans and senior
starve to a political game. And that is what it's
all about. You know, the Rainy Day funds. There's tax
money in there from Democrats, from Republicans and independents. And
we are the so called commonwealth of Massachusetts and they
love to use the phrase commonwealth. Well, I have all
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the empathy in the world the folks who who are
a snap beneficiaries. If this fraud, you get rid of it.
But the vast majority of them, I'm sure there because
they have a need that you know, a certain percentage
of them are kids, A certain percentage of them a
single moms, Some have disabilities, some are seniors. You're a Republican,
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you're taking the position to get money into the hends
of these folks. Yes, I assume it can be done
administratively pretty easily. I don't want to have someone call
in and tell me, well, it can't be done administratively.
I assume it can be done administratively correct.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, that would make it happen. I mean you need
to have you know, competent executive leadership in the corner
office and make it happen. But again, this is what
leaders do. As governor, I would say this is my plan.
I want to execute on all eleven points of this plan,
and say my team go make it happen. But it
just requires the will to get this stuff done. And
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I'll come back to the comments made by by the
two Democratic congress people. That is absolutely shameful and it
just shows that this is a this is a political
show for them. It's all about political leverage. It's not
about the people of Massachusetts. And you brought up something
really important, Dan, Where do the rainy day funds come
come from? It came from us, right, We've paid taxes
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and the state wisely just to save some of the
money for a rainy day. Guess what if this if
folks need their snap uh, and it's rainy for them,
as you said, so let's use some of our money
for that use on a temporary basis and then go
seek reimbursement if you can down the line.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I'll tell you what really obsessed me. What really
obsessed me is that the mcgovernance of the world and
the clocks of the world. And I guess now more healing,
which which he really has disappointed me. Here if they
want to put on the table how much money they
personally contribute to food pantries up against how much money
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I contribute to food pantries. Oh, I would be more
than happy to engage in that activity and that exercise.
And this is what really frustrates me and angers me.
And you know, we see the Democratic Party going off
into the far lift with Mudamie down in New York.
We're not very far behind here in Massachusetts, where we're
going to allow people not to have food on November first,
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in order to have some sort of theoretical political advantage
over President Trump. That is immoral, It should be immoral,
and it's obscene.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Dan, I agree with all that. It is a moral
and ob seen and in my experience in government, so
much of what government does, especially at the state level,
it is not ideological. Okay, it's not political. We're literally
talking about feeding people that need food, Okay, that that
defies any political or ideological characterization. That's their real need
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that government can fill and should fill, So why not
do it?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Couldn't agree with you more well, miken Neelie, thank you
very much for put on paper what I talked about
on Friday night. I'm sure you came to it without
being prompted. I'm not suggesting that that that you took
my idea at all, but again it is uh, we
both think alike, and I'm hoping that my audience will
echo what what I said on Friday night and what
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you released today in written for I.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
So too, and thank you Dan for advocating this point
as well. It's an important one. And again that's what
we have to look at, is what's best for the
people of Massachusetts. And I believe this plan is best.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Absolutely, it's it's it's a it's a thorough plan, and
I don't know that she will have the political courage
to admit to it, uh and say, guess what, I've
been late to the party. But I'm going to make
this happen. Let's hope she Let's hope she does the
right thing. And you know what I'd like to see.
I'd like to see some of the reporters up at
the State House, of which I used to be one,
to summon up a little bit of backbone and spine
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and put her on the spot, and put the governor
on the spot and ask her these questions and why
she's not following through on a very obvious source of
funding that that is at her disposal, as opposed to
as opposed to wasting time on news conferences to try
to gain political leverage. We'll have you back many times.
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Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
This is appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, Yes, we are going to take a break. We
got a newscast coming up, and I'm a couple of
minutes late for that. But I hope you understand what
I'm saying, and I hope Governor Healey and her staff
understand what I'm saying. Governor, you're making a huge mistake,
a mistake morally, politically, in every which way. Don't lack
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the courage, Governor to use the rainy day fund in case? Uh,
and it's and the wheel should be in motion now.
You should not wait until Saturday, November first. But if
the threat exists that either children are are single moms,
or people with disabilities or senior citizens will not have
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food in their home or they will have to go
to a food pantry and stand in line, make it happen, Governor,
make it happen. It doesn't matter whose idea it was.
You should have thought of it beforehand. You need to
implement it. Now, if you agree with me, six one
seven four ten thirty six one seven nine three one
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ten thirty. If you disagree with me, the numbers are
the same. Give us a call. I want to talk
about this for a while because I think it is
a very important issue, not only for the people who
are benefiting from from SNAP benefits, but also it's important
for people who are contributing to the tax base here
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in Massachusetts. If you're going to take money from me
for taxes, I want it us to help people. I
hope you agree. Coming back on Nightside News radio, all right,
let's go to the phones here see what people have
to say. Again, this is this should not be a
political act. You can, you can argue politics in Washington,
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but we need to take care of people here in Massachusetts.
And I am stunned that the governor's staff is not
smart enough to say, by the way, two percent of
the rainy day fund as we have would would easily
do a month. Two and a half percent max would
take care of the month of November, and another two
percent would take care of December. Now, the uh, the
the the entire problem is going to be a resolved
(24:36):
before that. I mean, the government will get back to work. Okay,
trust me on that. Let me go to John and Debtam. Hey, John, welcome,
you're next year first, well first this hour with as
a caller on nightside. What is what's your thought in
this situation? John?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Do you know what you said this? I was just
I was just livid about you know, and I'm just
sick of our governor. And I don't know how the
heck she continues to get voted in. But before I said,
is she wanted the people who is like refusing our
state order? Is a Dianea Zoglio about auditing the legislature?
She's part of that group. Well, no matter.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Let me let me try to give you an honest
answer on that. Okay. Uh, Dizaglio Uh wants to audit
the audit Azaglio wants to audit the legislature, the House
of Representatives, and the State Senate. Okay, Sozaglio is not
asking to audit the executive office. As far as I know,
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I don't know that the governor has taken a position
one way or the other. If she's taken a position
and supporting Dozaglio, it must be a very quiet position.
I haven't heard her talk about that, and having interviewed
on Diana and Desaglio on several occasions, I think that
if Governor Healy was with the auditor on this, we
(25:52):
would know about it. Let me put it like that.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I think I think totally agree on that. And at
this point, no matter what she does, she has shown
her two colors. Even if she now reversus does raise
the money. This is if Biden was in office right
now and this was going on, she would find the money.
If I remember, when all the illegals are being sent
up here, didn't it cost us stay like a billion dollars?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well significantly more, significantly more than that.
And and the argument that the governor at that time
made these are human beings. They may not be residents
of Massachusetts, but once they were in Massachusetts, we have
a responsibility to feed and house them, make sure that
children go to school. They got you know, cab rides
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back and forth, the doctor's appointments, there were, there was
billions of dollars. Billions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, beautiful, was just one billion. Illegals matter more to
the by the.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Way, No, no, it was a billion a year for
two years at least it was. It was in excessive
two billion dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Finding a billion dollars for them but for our and
not you know, thank me, I don't need it. But
I am just sick of this governor continue to play again.
If the best of my knowledge, Trump doesn't vote on
keeping the country open, this is right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Absolutely, And by the way, it so happens. That's the
Democrats who are voting against the Republicans are voting to
open it up, to have a continuing resolution, what they
call a clear resolution, so that everything would stay status quo,
and then they would have have seven weeks to argue
about it. The Democrats are saying, we are going to
vote against opening up the government until you agree in
(27:37):
advance of our negotiations or our conversations, you agree to
three or four of our major proposals.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
They they already admit it to it. They're using families
and kids as leverage. How do you say that, good consciousness,
how do we even admit to that?
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think probably down to you. They think most people
are stupid and then.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
And the place.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But you're not stupid, and I'm not stupid, And I
hope that a lot of people can wake up here
a little bit, and and understand we have the money
we have. We have eight point eight really it's close
to nine billion dollars in what they call the stabilization Fund,
it's called the Rainy Day Fund. Before Charlie Baker came in,
they would they thought a billion dollars would tie us
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over if there was some sort of an economic problem.
We now have eight point eight or nine billion dollars
in the Rainy Day Fund. And the governor didn't think, hey,
we can take the pressure off these these these million
residents in Massachusetts who receive snap benefits. Why would she
not even immediately that should be here instinct. Take care
(28:44):
of the people, and then we'll worry about if, if,
if our any day fund goes down a little bit.
It's a rainy day on Sunday, on Saturday for these folks.
When they told, you know, I mean I go to
the store of the other day, I'm sure that these
folks need to go to the store the other day too.
They don't have a month's worth of food in their
refrigerator and in their cupboard to take care of their kids,
(29:07):
so to take care of people with disabilities, this is obscene.
It is absolutely obscene what this governor is doing.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
You hit on it earlier. It's it's it's basically a
political that the Democrats, and I hate the generalize because
a good Democrats out there, they have to depend on deception,
they don't reality. And have you had I think you
said it though, but if you've asked Comany Heley to
come on there with you, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We've had. We've had Governor Heally on before, Okay, And
she knows that she can come on here any night.
And if she wants to come on and explain to
me tomorrow night, why why she chose not to use
some of the rainy day fund. She's more than welcome, She's.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
More than when when I first heard you say, when
the player play that cut of her talking about Trump,
I can't use gadget terms I want to use. But
a liar was one of the words that popped into
my head, Like why are you yelling at Trump? It's
Congress had voting on this thing.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, they don't teach civic they don't teach civics in
schools anymore. And you got to listen to a program
like this, I'm calling it. Look, I've had more Healey
on this program. I was very impressed with mar Heey
when she ran for governor. I'm very disappointed in her governorship.
And I'm just gonna be honest. That's I have to
(30:26):
tell you what I think.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And I'll end it with this because I know you
got other callers, but if you said it for the
word I was always I was going to say. To
be with, she has to count just like if I
remember when Obama was president that I think was the
MIT professor Obamacare. He said it basically, yeah, Americans are stupid.
She has to count on stupidity of Massachusetts others to
vote for her. Again, it's the only way she could win.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, look, the Democrats do very well in Massachusetts. A
lot of people vote blindly. And I'm not here to
advocate for any candidate at all. I thought that when
I saw knely eleven point plan today, it's a very influence.
By the way, Let's hope that the Boston Globe does
an editorial and basically points out the obvious that the
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Rainy Day Fund is used and is and amassed for
exactly a situation like this.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Well, thankfully for your show. Hopefully you get some people
to come out whether it's her or not. But like
I said, you show her true colors. You can't. She
can't reverse that. She should be done well all I
all I ask.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You to do is tell your friends about Night's Side,
because we will. We will be honest with you. When
when Trump does something well, I'll tell you when he
when he when he does something dumb, I'll tell you
what my opinions are. Simple as that. Thanks so much, John,
Thank you, Talk to you soon. Go take very quick break.
I got a couple of open lines. I have one
that John Jessica off six one seven, two five four
(31:49):
ten thirty, and I have two at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I want to hear from you.
This is important if you're a resident of Massachusetts or
if you're outside of Massachusetts. This is what each state
should be doing. This is what our system of government
is intended to do. If the federal government is not
able to help people who are in crisis or who
(32:11):
need help, the states need to step in in the
short term. Eventually they can be they can get the
money back from the federal government, but they need to
attend to the problem. Now back on Nightside, right after this,
you're on.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Lori in Melrose. Hey, Laurie, welcome next to on Nightside.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Yes, Hi, I just want to say, is I don't
get kudos to the federal government or the state. I
don't say I think federal government should have done something
since they haven't done it, and we're in this position
too for our people, and we have the money, as
you say, I mean it's a small percentage. You're not
to complete the fund at all. I think they can
(32:59):
do to be political, and he Lee could definitely easily say,
look at the government wouldn't take care of this, We're
going to come and save our people and shame on you.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, simply the right thing to do. I mean, she
could do it that way, and she doesn't even to
even have to be political. It would be obvious that
she's doing something. The federal government is. You know, they
got themselves tied up in Notts right now. They can
blame back and forth with the Republicans of the Democrats.
I'm not interested in that argument tonight. I'm interested on
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I'm interested in a lot of these people in Massachusetts.
I pay taxes. I assume you pay taxes. That's my
tax money that is sitting in that. You know, obviously
it's not eight billion dollars of my tax money, but
it's my tax money and it's your tax money. And
I want some of that tax money used to take
care of these these one million people who are going
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to be without food beginning on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
What is going around, you know, beg you for people
to get to bring food to the different sons and
get this and that when that money can be used
for some of the other things, you know, on a
daily basis. You know, the money's just sitting there, you know, No,
it's definitely the thing to do. I mean, and stealth
ktting so plilical and Democrat, Republican Trump and Eli who
(34:21):
cares about either one of them?
Speaker 8 (34:22):
To kill you the truth? You know, I really don't.
I think the government said the government should have done it,
and they didn't do it, so we should do it.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, thank you very much, Thank you, Laurie. I appreciate
your support. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Good right, okay, good night.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Let me go to Amanda in Dorchester. Amanda, you were
next on nightside. Welcome. Well, we lost Amanda. So if
Amanda wants to call back, what has happened there is
Amanda probably had had us on speakerphone. If she wants
to call back, Shane, we can put her to the
top of the list. Let me go to Terry down
on Cape Cod Terry, you are next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, how you're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm getting pretty angry tonight, to be honest.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Well, I'm going to take the temperature down for you
a bit. But I might get fired as Judge Terry tonight,
But that's okay. I'm gonna put it out there. I
do not believe for one second that our leadership in
Massachusetts is turning their back on anyone that needs a meal.
(35:33):
Now here's the thing, ye Number one, the Trump administration
is already threatened Governor Seely that if she pays for this,
they will not reimburse it. Well, I don't know if
that can be legal or not. But Governor Healy came
(35:54):
up with another plan because she smart. She got the
wonderful people from the United Way to step up. Because
that's outside of taxpayer money. She has encouraged anyone in
Massachusetts that has an extra dollar to give it immediately.
(36:18):
To the United Way Unite Way is gonna pay.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm gonna very disagree, but Terry, that's okay. That that
is a that's a cop out because the money is there,
eight point eight or nine bills.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I understand the dollars, that is money has authority to use.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Go ahead, Andrew Joy Campbell is leading the group.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
The Massachusetts Fedral District Court tomorrow. Oh yeah, put a
hold on Trump from not paying. I do believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Underwady, I know a little bit about the court system. Okay,
that is that will result in nothing. There won't be
one kid who's going to get a cheerio or one
kid who's going to get a ring ding or a
glass of milk. And I political talk is cheap. It's
time for them to put up some money and make
(37:18):
this happen. Terry, you and I are friend, you will
always be friends. But we disagree on this one. And
I'm up against the eleven o'clock.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
News, and I gotta let you wait and see how
this plays out.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
When the federal judge comes in and orders Trump and
everybody gets their their food on time, I want you
to call me back and tell me.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
How brilliant I won't be happy to do that when
you find out that people didn't get didn't get their
their uh their their stamp benefits, and there are people
who are really in trouble.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I want you to call back and tell me Daniel right.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
Thanks, I'm going to take a few of them out
to lunch myself. I can't afford to do it, but
I will.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, thanks very much, Terry, Thanks, bye bye, We'll be back.
If you agree with Terry, please continue the conversation. If
you agree with me, continue the conversation. This is insane.
This is insane. We're coming back on Night's side right
after the break. Speak up, folks,
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