November 20, 2024 • 41 mins
The illegal teacher strikes continue this week for three North Shore communities: Gloucester, Beverly, and Marblehead. How much progress has been made towards reaching an agreement? While every day the strike continues the unions get fined, it appears the fines have not made a difference. What are your thoughts on illegal striking in Massachusetts? Is tougher action needed in teacher strikes to prevent school year disruptions for students?
*The Gloucester Mayor has denied our request to join. All three teachers’ unions have been invited to join the conversation*
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Speaker 6 (01:40):
All Right, welcome back and talking to Nicole Davis. She's
helping me with my Apple update. You know, it's great
when you have people on your team like Nicole, because
whenever I have a question about anything that's technical on computers,
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Thank you immensely, Just thank you immensely, and I mean
that honestly. Thank you so much. I've been a great
friend and a great colleague. Okay, it's the nine o'clock
hour and in the news, you just heard that there
will be no school tomorrow for the ninth day of
(02:23):
this school year in Gloucester. There will be no school
tomorrow in the Beverly school system for the ninth day,
and no school tomorrow in Marvelhead for the eighth day.
So doing just a little bit of math on that,
that basically is about twenty six school days in those
(02:45):
three systems, you know, a nine to nine and eight.
We have talked before about the problems with teacher strikes,
and if you've read today's editorial in the Boston Globe,
it's not often that the Globe and I editorially are
(03:08):
in sync, but we certainly are today and the Globe
essentially is saying that teacher strikes in Massachusetts our first illegal.
I mean, what is it about illegal that someone doesn't understand. Now,
we've kind of gone through this in recent times with
(03:29):
the use of the word illegal in other ways, and
people have told us that, well, just because something says
it's illegal, it isn't necessarily illegal or whatever, you know,
that sort that sort of wordplay euphemisms or whatever. Look,
these three unions up north of Boston, Gloucester, Beverly, in
(03:54):
marble Head, those teachers have been out of the classrooms
for well it'll be two weeks in, not tomorrow, but
the day after tomorrow. That's the substantial part of the
school year. Now, I know that you've seen the teachers
(04:14):
displays of their protests, and they're they're not in it
for themselves. They're in it for their students, and they're
in it for the for the parallel, the para professionals.
And I get all of that. But I had suggested
last week and an idea, and the Globe, to their credit,
(04:37):
the editorial page of Globe today was suggesting an idea
as well. And the idea that the Globe has been
suggesting that the fines that judges have been imposing have
been inadequate. Frankly, because if the the purpose of the
fine is to force the teachers union to get back
(05:02):
into the classroom, by definition not working, so they need to,
in I guess the opinion of the Globe and also
the opinion of yours, truly, they need to look at
those fines and make them a tougher. If again, if
(05:23):
the idea of a fine is to say, look, you're
doing something illegally and we want you to stop. If
you find them four dollars a day or whatever, it's inadequate.
It just is absolutely inadequate, and as a consequence, the
strike has gone on now a long time. Looking at
(05:44):
it from the student's perspective, these are school days that
maybe they'll have to make up in April or February,
I guess I think it's Beverly that's saying they can
make this these days up in April February, well nine days,
that's two weeks. So if you're going to really make
(06:06):
it up in April and February, there goes the April vacation,
there goes the February vacation. Gloucester, they're saying that they'll
keep kids in school until June thirtieth. I think all
of us know that once you get past June first,
and summer has really arrived in New England, you're not
going to get a lot of great school work done
(06:30):
in the month of June. So here's my proposal, and
it's a fairly simple proposal, and that is that. And
I didn't probably explain it as well as I should
have last week, So I want to hear from you, Okay.
Since strikes by public employees are illegal in Massachusetts, and
(06:54):
that includes police officers and firefighters, one of the things
that that should be done, particularly for school features. Their
school year generally is September to June, starts right after
Labor Day, sometimes before Labor Day. And here's what I
(07:15):
would argue needs to be done. Most school systems operate
on three year contracts. So let's take a three year contract.
So let us assume at the end of this school
year in June of twenty twenty five, the town or
the city and the union has now about fourteen months
(07:40):
left or fifteen months. Well, actually it'll be twelve months
left because it probably would end on June thirty the
following year. So the parties, the union and the school
department would be required to have some meetings and some discussions,
(08:00):
some number of meetings and some discussions whatever one might
think would be reasonable, ten twelve to fifteen meetings spaced
over the summer of the year, of the summer before
the contract expired. Now, if those meetings produced a result,
that's great. You'll have a contract in place going forward
(08:20):
months before the current contract expires, so that's a good thing.
But if during that summer before the agreement was not
reached or it wasn't finalized, then you get to the
next June thirtieth, which in our hypothetical would be June
(08:43):
of twenty twenty six, the contract expires. We're not going
to start a school year without a contract in place.
How do we do that? We have a binding arbitration
or some form of negotiations back and forth, which again
take place during the summer June or the July and August. Now,
(09:08):
I'll tell you the teachers' union won't like it because
they want their summers off, but it is an incentive
to get the contract done. And if by a certain date,
let's say August fifteenth, just like they do in negotiations
with professional athletes, highly paid professional athletes, the athletes representatives
(09:33):
put in a proposal or whatever. They you know, want
up three years, twenty million dollars a year, total sixty
million dollars whatever. And the team has put in a
proposal and said, nope, just we will be willing to
pay him two years and we'll pay fifteen million dollars
a year, so that's thirty million dollars. Well, they make
their case, however they want to make their case, and
(09:54):
at some point I date let's say August first, oh,
say August fifteenth, the conversations, the negotiations end, and by
September first, the arbiter or the mediator, however you want
to characterize it, makes a decision and says we couldn't
(10:15):
reach an agreement. Therefore, I'm going to impose a three
year contract, which you know, the legislature would have to
pass some sort of legislation making this, you know, permissible
and mandatory. And if there is a strike, it would
become then what would be characterized as a wildcat strike.
(10:35):
And at that point, the teachers would be put unnoticed
and the union we've put unnoticed. That any strike is
going to result in people losing their jobs, because these
strikes that are going on now will force other cuts
in all of these communities. So there will be collateral
damage here. Maybe there'll be some of the younger teachers
(10:55):
will who will lose their jobs, maybe people in public works,
maybe people in in in public service. I don't know.
But there's only so much money each one of these
communities can spend on a teachers contract. So I would
love to hear from parents who are inconvenienced immensely by
(11:16):
these school strikes, immensely because they now have to come
up with some way in which their children will be
looked after different ages. Obviously, if you have a kid
in the first grade, well, you're not gonna say to
the kid in the first gide, Mommy and daddy have
to go to work, enjoy yourself, don't watch too much television. No,
they're gonna they're gonna have to find a babysitter. They're
(11:37):
gonna have to find a relative, they're gonna have to
find a neighbor, which who I assume they're gonna have
to pay to to take care of little Johnny or
a little Debbie big inconvenience there the child's learning process.
How you know there's an impact here. There's a real
impact on all of the school kids in all of
these students in these schools. Now, maybe if you're I
(12:00):
don't know, a senior, well it could impact you. Maybe
you're taking college boards for the last time. Maybe you
need letters of recommendation written for your applications as to
where you want to go to college. All of this
I think is put aside during the teacher strike. And
these obviously are coordinated strikes by three communities in three
(12:23):
communities all north of Boston, Beverly, Gloucester, and marblehead. So
that's my proposal. Basically, say to the union and to
the school departments of the school committee, you ran for
this job, you applied for this job. You need to
do the job for the benefit of the kids and
the families in our community. And here is the rules
(12:46):
the legislature will put down and you're going to have
to comply with them, simple as that. If you've read
the Globe editorial and you agree with that, feel free.
If you agree with my idea, feel free. Something has
to be done. We have a Massachusetts teachers Union. Invited
them to come on to the show and to defend themselves, okay,
and they have always rejected our invitations. It's an open
(13:08):
door invitation to the president Teachers Union, max On Paige,
and there's his assistant. I forget her first name, but
I'm Ms McCarthy. I only remember that name because one
of my grandmothers is well, my mom's mother is a McCarthy.
(13:28):
So if you're McCarthy out there, maybe we're related. Let's
get to this, Okay. If you're a teacher and you
think that I'm being horribly abusive to teachers, I'm not.
I'm not at all. And I would suggest that all
of you go to the Massachusetts Department of Education slash
teachers salaries. These teacher salaries, when I last checked a
(13:50):
week ago, are only updated to the year school year
twenty twenty one, meaning twenty twenty through twenty twenty one,
so they're four years old, and all of the teachers.
The average salary for these three school systems again Beverly, Gloucester,
marble Head, the ones that are out on strike about
(14:11):
eighty six eighty seven thousand dollars average average six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. There's been a bunch of teacher strikes and
it's only going to get worse until the legislature and
the governor get some backbone and take them on and
say this shall not stand. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
The Globe editorial says tougher action is needed on teacher strikes.
Illegal teacher strikes continue this week in three North Roe communities, Marblehead, Beverly,
and Gloucester, causing massive disruption for those communities, with little
apparent progress toward a conclusion. The article concludes. It says,
the way the process now works, finds typically aren't levied
(15:04):
until a strike has been in effect for several days.
Finds generally started about fifty thousand dollars increased by ten
thousand dollars or so each day that the strike continues.
But it finds aren't immediately onerous, and payment can be
delayed until the strike is over, whereupon the cash flush
parent union can quietly help make its locals whole. Pressure
(15:24):
to end the illegal strike obviously won't be maximized, but
it finds for striking starts say one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a day, and went up by that amount
or more each day the strike continued, unions would be
more cautious about breaking the law by going out on strike.
As the MTA locals begin their second week of disrupting
(15:47):
their communities, it's pretty soon going to be the third
week with illegal strikes. It's time for a tougher approach,
after all, if a state isn't serious about enforcing the law,
in the Massachusetts Teachers Association and its local simply won't
get serious about abiding by it. Pretty good editorial in
the Globe today. Let's go to the call is going
to go first off too, John and Denham. John, you
(16:10):
first tonight on Night Side. Whether you agree to disagree, folks,
you are welcome to join the conversation.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Go ahead, John, Heyga. I was in high school during
the Blizzard of seventy eight and we had like three
weeks off around a vacation week, and I believe we
just added twelve minutes to each class, so we were
basically making up a day every week. And so cause
to take away vacation from especially like you're a senior,
you may be going on a senior class trip or something.
(16:36):
It's just it's ridiculous. And I think if you're both parties,
I know this will sound harsh. I think maybe for
every day they strike, both parties have to start one
week of jail time.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
In the summer.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You take away somebody's time.
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You watch how quickly this stuff gets resolved.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
So when you say both parties, you're saying both the
school committee and the union the heads of.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The union exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well, because that way, that way neither party can hold
the other hostage. You know, if you say just the
teachers are going to happen, that's.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
An interesting suggestion. What do you think about my idea,
which is basically you've got to start negotiating in effect
the summer before the contract expires, we don't expect you
to come to an agreement. But once the contract expires
in June, that next summer, the next two months, July
in August, you got to have You may blow your
(20:33):
entire summer, but you've got to sit and negotiate, and
at the end of it, if you don't come to
an agreement, the arbiter or the mediator will issue a decision,
just like they do in professional sports. You know when
you know when when some you know, hotshot player says
I've had great years and I want a ten year
contract for fifty million a year, whatever it is, and
(20:55):
the team says, no, we're going to give you three
years at twenty million a year. Eventually, somewhere somewhere in
the middle, a decision is made. I think that that, well,
what do you think. I like my idea a little
better because it's more specific.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I think you and I are on the same page,
meaning that, Hey, if you're going to take away these kids,
the time from these kids and their families because the
families have totally disrupted, then we're going to take away
your time in the summer, which is I think what
you kind of to your point and eaid if hey,
you got two months, you can't go vacation until you
get this resolved. But I mean the teachers that probably
(21:35):
can still go on vacation because they're not in the
part of the negotiate, right, you just have a union
members and any any teacher who says this is for
the kids, you know, they're full of you know what.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Yeah, well again, as they say, people should go look
at the Department of Education statistics from four years ago.
It's on it's a Massachusetts website, and it will tell
you exactly what the average teacher makes in your community,
wherever you live in the three hundred and fifty one
city in towns Up, Massachusetts. We love the idea, John.
I think you're thinking outside the box, which is which
(22:06):
is great. We got a couple of ideas. Maybe we
could blend them together. Okay, Pegs, buddy, thank you, talk
to you soon. All right, good day. All right. Let
me see that I got one line in six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty and got one line at six one, seven,
nine three, one ten thirty. We can talk about this.
I have no guest scheduled this hour. We may have
(22:27):
either some union representatives who we have invited to call in,
or some of the representatives of the various school committees
they have also been invited to call in, but no
guests who will be here for a long time. So
I'd like to get as many calls in as possible.
And I got two lines up right now that are
available six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
and six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. And
(22:49):
if we need to go into the next hour, we will.
I think it's important. Now some of you are saying, Hey, damn,
what's what's the big deal here? We're talking about Gloucester, Beverly,
marbled In. I don't even live near those places. What
if the Mass Teachers Association can pull together a little
north Shore combined strike. You don't think that we could
be seen a little south shore maybe a Metro West
(23:09):
combined strike, Berkshire Teachers' Union Combrian strike. Don't kid yourself
back on nightside right after the news at the bottom
of the hour.
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If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on w
z Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Let's get back to the phones and let's talk to
Doc from Midford Dot. Welcome back.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
How are you hi?
Speaker 11 (23:31):
Dan, Hey, Dan, you know they're not going to negotiate
in the summertime because they've got their vacation planned. They're
going to be in Europe on our dime. Well, maybe they.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Will be, but the union leaders will have to negotiate,
because if they don't negotiate, then the arbiter the mediator
can say, Okay, this is the proposal I have from
this from the town of such and such and the
city such and such. The union shows not to negotiate,
(24:03):
I'm going to go ahead and support the towns and
that would make that then would be the contract they'll
have to have to live under.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Well, I think the first thing that should happen is
right away, now that they're out for two weeks, they
get a ten thousand dollars pay cut boutomatic automatic, every.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
One of them.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
And then the next step would be what President Reagan
would do. They all lose their job, get all new teachers.
They lose their job period. That would the message.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
It's tough to do that in the middle school year,
to be well, you know.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
What, they're going to have to do something, and the
teachers and the yeah, oh yeah, but I think a
ten thousand dollars pay cut. If that loomed over, they'll
squashy little head that they'd give in. I think they'd
have to.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Well, what happens here is that because these two these
schools go out on strike, that sends a message to
the other communities. The community say, if all of a sudden,
now our teachers' union threatens a strike, we better well
pay attention. That's the nasty little secret here. And you
have the Mass Teachers Association, which was very successful and
(25:20):
getting rid of the the m CAST graduation requirement. Yeah,
and the next thing they're going to try to do
is get rid of the m CAST testing in the
eighth in the third grade.
Speaker 11 (25:31):
The way powerful. They're too powerful, and they get you
gotta nip them in the bud with a pay cut.
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Speaker 6 (28:45):
Okay, all right, Dot, I got it in there. All right,
let's see if people more people might agree with you. Okay,
I was trying to do it in a nice way.
You're like, bottom line, Dot, can't.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Be nice today. I can look at them on TV
with snap and gum big losses.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Oh come on now, none of that, None of that,
None of that, all right, no rabbit punches. Okay, are right, thanks,
thanks DoD. Let's keep rolling. Here. Steve is in Revere.
Steve you are next night, said welcome?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
He agreeing? Dan here, how are you doing it for
my call.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Dude, great, well, thank you for calling in. What's your
taking all of this?
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Well, I'll tell you I don't agree with them going
on strike. I mean, it's not right, but.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's more than not. It's Steve, if I could, it's
more than not right. It's illegal. You know it's not
right for you, Steve. It's not right for you to
park in that handicapped parking space when you were running
into dunkin Donuts. Not right to do that, but it's
also illegal.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Go ahead, exactly. I totally agree, but I have to
tell you I'm powerfully there. My sister is a para
and the Rare school system and again they're actually under
contract negotiation. Also. I don't know if you know that
or not, but they've made their statements by doing other
(30:18):
things on their off time. She tells me some stories
about what she goes to with kids. I mean, I
don't think she's nearly paid enough. What they do with kids,
biting and kicking them. But if father's teachers going on strike,
you know that should be done on a time that
doesn't take away from the learning of their children going
(30:38):
to school. Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Now, did you say this was your wife was a paralegal.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Oh no, my sister was a paralegal.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Your sister, Okay, okay, I'm sorry to make sure. So
now paralegals mates make substantially less than teachers, absolutely, which
is something that the Teachers' Union over time has negotiated
with various cities in towns. How long has your sister
been doing this type work?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
It's when seven years?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Seven years? So this is a career path for her.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
This is yeah, she has she has graduated from Suffolk
University years ago. She's I mean she's almost fifty three
years old.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Okay, did she take this up after? Did she do
something else or was she.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
I'll make a long story shot. She used to work
years ago for the FBI as a different things I
can't get. I don't want to talk about problem. Go ahead,
but she shows his career path when her daughter was
born and my niece is now in college and she
(31:50):
went back to work, and she said, it's just frustrating
to see what they go through with patties, because I mean,
they nearly not pay us and they have to they
have to come a lot of classes for when teachers
are own. It's yeah, if.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
They should be they should be paid more. I think that,
if anything, the teachers should negotiate it. Take take one
break from from one. If the teachers said to a talent,
look we're okay, we'll work for the next three years
without a without a pay increase, but we want a
substantial increase for the paralegals. I would be with the
(32:28):
union one thousand percent at that point. Steve. Again, I'm
not going after you know, anybody here personally, and certainly
not going after your sister. But I think something has
to be done structurally here and and maybe what we
just talked about having the teachers back off in one cycle, well,
you know, take a two or three percent raise and
give the rest of it because you know and helped they.
(32:50):
They always talk about the powers and how the paarers
are underpaid. Notice they don't say the teachers are underpaid.
It's so they use the powers to negotiate raises for
the t's.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I know it's not all.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Right, stay appreciate you calling so much.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Thank you not to jump off the second, but I
can't wait. You have the Kay guys back on, so
I love those.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
We love the car guys, Scott and Larry's. Matter of fact,
I talked with Larry. We'll buy her buy a text
message a couple of days ago and we'll have them
on early in December. I guarantee you.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Oh, thank you so much, and I appreciate you geting
me my call. Thank you so much. I'm good night.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Let me go to Pete in South Carolina. Pete, thanks
for that suggestion. We did. I had a lot of
fun with Charles Rowe. It was a wonderful little that I.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Listened to it. It was great. But I am calling
dot took some of my thunder and said Ronald Reagan
fired all the air traffic controllers because right now, I
am sure there are plenty of men and women college
educated don't have a job, would love to have a job,
(33:58):
even if it's a teaching they're certified or they have
a degree and you know some sort of institution of
higher learning.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah, well the only work. Yeah, no, I get it.
But the problem is if you weren't, If somehow someway
they fired an entire union, it's going to end up
in court. I think that would be penny wise and
pound foolish in my opinion. That you know, maybe what
they could say is, okay, we'll give you the rays
(34:30):
you want, but we're going to have to cut you know,
ten percent of the teaching staff. And it might be
that that might wake them up or something to basically
to say to a union group of you know, however
many teachers. It might be two hundred teachers in a community,
you're all gone, and then to recruit and get twenty
(34:51):
two hundred people to replace them in the middle of
a school year. I think that's that's a big mountain
of klim.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
It's either a big mountain to climb where you're gonna
have to climb the same mountain because your kids aren't educated.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
No, I understand the frustration. I really do.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Yeah, and I'm in South Carolina. This is you know,
I usually don't call in when it's a local Massachusetts
type thing, but I just had a thought that was it.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
No, no, no, let me ask you. I'm assuming that
you have, you know, teachers in schools down in South
Carolina obviously, who are very qualified, very competent. The teacher strikes,
our teachers are unionized in South Carolina. South Carolina might
be a right to work state.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
It is a right to work state. Okay, because my
three grandchildren, my once my grandson just graduated high school
and the other two are in middle school and high school.
So you know, we stay on top of it. My
daughter obviously does because it's her kids. But like I said,
(36:01):
you know, pulling this off in the middle of the
school year.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
By the way, in three in three communities that are
like peas in a pod, they're all you know, Massachusetts,
I know a little bit. Yeah, I've lost to Beverly
and Marblehead. They're right up there on the north shore right.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Uh. And to do this to the children, that's not fair.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Well, like the one lady said before me, take away
some of their money. There's got to be something I
don't know, But all right, just frosted toasts a little bit.
When I heard the topic, I gotta call them.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
You know, I'm glad you did, and I'm certainly glad
to suggesting you made. And for those of you who
do not know, Pete is a big uh train I
guess fan, you know, lying on railroad railroading and he
he suggested one of our guests last night at eight o'clock,
(37:01):
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you haven't heard it, you want to listen to the
toll last night's eight o'clock hour gives you some great
ideas if you have a kid for presence this holiday season.
You know you got a little bit of a throwback.
But boy, I'll tell you. You look at their website and
(37:22):
you see the trains that this this website has. I'm
I'm thinking pretty seriously here, Peter have given Charles a
call and getting something for my grandson. So I got
to get it clear with the parents though, if you
know what I'm saying, oh.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Of course I understand. But anyway, you have a great Thanksgiving.
I probably will get you sometime afterwards.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
But absolutely right back at you.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Take care, my friend.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Thank you much you so, okay, go take quick break here.
I got Beth, Mario, Paul, and Andrew coming up. Only
room for you at six point seven nine three open.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
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Speaker 13 (38:21):
Said, dar this, Well, what I think is I am
axally a husband of a teacher who just retired, and
I've seen the ups and downs in her career. I
spent thousands of dollars on education on that she had
to get PDP points over the thirty years that she
was there.
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Speaker 13 (41:45):
And what I say is why at the school committees
fined for not having their contracts ready for them or
in agreement. It's the time that they was supposed to
be rather.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Well they PROBABLEM Well, I don't know if they had
contracts ready for them. Obviously, if if they presented them
with a contract that the union liked, but then you know,
the negotiations can be over in a day. But that's
really not the way it works. What they do is
they start off, you've got the base of of of
(42:16):
the contract that currently exists, and obviously any union is
going to come in and say, would like to get
a raised here, like to get this situation worked part
of the part of the negotiations.
Speaker 13 (42:26):
And I agree with you there, and I agree with
you there, but but you have to look at the
whole picture of the whole cyclativity of the economy where
these teachers have taken zero percent for three years, and
now that the economy has grown, they understand that you know,
there's a there's a lot to pay for and you know,
(42:48):
with with the whole economy thing going up and down whatever.
So if they were more proactive in these school committees
and and ignoring that and giving them the right percentages
or something close, you wouldn't have this situation.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
You're actually.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
I got two questions for you, and I'm really interested.
Let's assume and I don't know the specifics of these
three contracts and Gloucester, Beverly Marblehead.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
You're you're telling me that that they've received no raises
in the last three years. I don't know that.
Speaker 13 (43:28):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no,
don't say that in the last three years. What I'm
saying is over a thirty thirty year career. Okay. I've
experienced this with my wife because she's she is a
public school teacher in the system for thirty years.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (43:44):
There are times when times were hard for the state
in the in the cities and towns where they received
no zero percentage raises.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Okay, And again I'm not I'm not disputing that, and
I don't want to talk about, you know, a situation
that I don't know about and you don't know about
whether this was in twenty thirteen or twenty eighteen, I
don't know. My point is this, you got three towns.
Let's let's deal with what if we can agree on.
(44:15):
We got three count towns, Gloucester, Beverly, Marblehead. There's no
school now for eight or nine days? Okay?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
What would be a fair resolution in your mind these
three schools.
Speaker 8 (44:28):
The average teacher?
Speaker 13 (44:29):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Scond question will me a favorite innwery. I'm trying to
pose a question to you, Okay, So if you would
give me the privilege of posing the question in this entirety,
I'll let you answer me in your entirety. Okay. So
you have three towns that we know of. The average
salary up there is around eighty six eighty seven thousand
dollars in all three towns. That's according to the Department of Education.
(44:54):
What do you think would be a fair percentage increase
in your opinion? You're the husband of a former teacher.
What do you think would satisfy the union for the
next three years? Give me the numbers that you think
would be reasonable.
Speaker 13 (45:09):
Well, the thing is is, I can't I can't give
you those numbers because I am not in their history
of their contracts. The issue is is when you get
into these history of contracts, right, they have maybe maybe
they have taken zero, maybe five ten years ago, okay,
(45:30):
and now that now that the income ratio is much
much higher, maybe the police and the fire department or
the public works the contracts are much much higher. The whole,
the whole deal with this is, you know, you're talking
about three different towns here. Why is it the school
can be defined for not doing their contract on time?
(45:51):
These people are awaited the contract.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Because there's no obligation. There's there's nothing illegal about negotiations
going toward beyond a certain date. However, however, now, however,
however you asked again, You've now asked me a question,
and you don't want to hear my answer. The reason
that the teachers union are being fined, Andrew, is that
(46:16):
in Massachusetts strikes by public employees teachers included, that's illegal.
That's what they're being fined for.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
That.
Speaker 6 (46:24):
There's no basis to find the school committee of these communities.
Speaker 13 (46:28):
So why isn't there though, Why isn't there that's the
legislature talking about three different communities up there right, And
you're saying, well, why why why are these kids not
going to school? And I said, well, why why, let's
be a little bit more proactive. Why aren't these Why
isn't the school committee obligated to make those contracts come
(46:49):
in and fair on time.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Well, first of all, that's a subjective determination, Andrew, and
that's you might think that fear and on time would
be a eight eight percent and eight percent. And maybe
they say, we don't have that money in this town,
and we cannot go back to people in this town
and raise their real estate taxes to fund that. I mean,
(47:12):
that's what their problem is, Andrew. I appreciate your point
of view on it. I just was hoping that you
could give me some idea. What you think they deserve
they're making eighty five or eighty six thousand dollars?
Speaker 13 (47:24):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
No no no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 7 (47:29):
What you have to look at too.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Is oh, you've already told me that, Andrew. I've heard it.
I don't need to hear it twice. I got to
look back at the entire history. So why don't we
do this, Andrew? Why don't I change the subject and
I'll spend tomorrow looking back at the entire history of
the Gloucester, Beverly and Marblehead school contracts over the last say,
twenty five years, and then we'll open up the phone
(47:53):
lines again tomorrow night. That's not the way my world works,
andrews as much as.
Speaker 13 (47:56):
Okay, no, no problem. Did I appreciate that?
Speaker 6 (47:59):
Right? Catch you all right, much appreciate it. It'll go
next to beth in be in Berkeley. Beth in Berkeley.
How are you, Beth?
Speaker 14 (48:07):
I'm fine. How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (48:09):
I think I'm doing Okay, go right ahead.
Speaker 14 (48:12):
Yes, I'm a former teacher. I taught in the Farvar
public schools for thirty five years. I retired in two
thousand and eight.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
And what you told me and I missed here. I
did not hear. What public school system? Did you teach in?
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Fall River?
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Oh? Fall River? Sure? Okay, absolutely, okay, thank you for
your service. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (48:36):
And I retired in two thousand and eight, and so
I was listening to your discussion. I know Fall River
isn't on the same level as the north Shore schools
that you're talking about, but at the same time, you know,
I feel like you know, like you're the voice of reason.
(48:57):
But I don't understand how you can have such strong
opinions about something that you've never done before, like taught
in public school settings. It's not.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
Easy.
Speaker 14 (49:11):
It's a difficult job.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
I happened to understand that very much, and I agree
with you. I have never I have never played Major
League Baseball, but I criticized the Red Sox every year
when they lose. And I've never been a United States senator,
but when I listen to someone of our senators say
something that I agree or disagree with, that's my job
(49:34):
is to kind of comment here. You know, but did
your union ever go on strike or no?
Speaker 14 (49:43):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 13 (49:44):
We did.
Speaker 14 (49:45):
I started teaching in nineteen seventy three, and I believe
we went on strike soon after that. And you know,
we had to pay fines, the far of the Teachers
Association had to pay clients, and we ended up going
(50:06):
back to work, and we ended up teaching longer days
and teaching into like the end of June to make
up the days that you're on strike. But you know,
it's just like if you've never taught before, you know,
the bell rings you teach, you're on, you know, like
(50:27):
you're on. Kids are looking at you and you're teaching
like straight for forty five minutes and then the bell rings.
You can't go to the bathroom.
Speaker 8 (50:41):
You have to.
Speaker 14 (50:44):
It's not easy. And in Floridver we I mean, I
retired in two thousand and eight, and I think I
retired at fifty thousand dollars, which cause the.
Speaker 6 (50:57):
Average salary in Fall River in the school year twenty
twenty to twenty twenty one. Want to take a guest
as to what it was in that community a few years.
Speaker 7 (51:06):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
Seventy seventy four, one hundred and seventeen.
Speaker 14 (51:11):
Dollars that average average feature salary. That's with the masters.
Speaker 6 (51:19):
It's an average salary. So if you have one hundred teachers,
you combine every everybody, you combine top of the scale,
bottom of the scale, and average. Okay, yeah, so yes,
I appreciate. Unfortunately, I'm up. I'm up till ten o'clock.
I'll hold you into the next hour. If you have
more comments you'd like to make, would you like to
(51:39):
hold through the news?
Speaker 14 (51:41):
No, I'm all set.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
You are, okay, Well, thank you very much for you
and thank you for listening, and thank you for calling.
We'll take a break. I'm going to stick with this
into the next hour for a little while. We have
some lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one thirty.
Feel free to fill them up.
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Speaker 6 (01:40):
All Right, welcome back and talking to Nicole Davis. She's
helping me with my Apple update. You know, it's great
when you have people on your team like Nicole, because
whenever I have a question about anything that's technical on computers,
Nicole is always there for me. And she she told
me how to do that in about thirty seconds. Nicole,
(02:03):
Thank you immensely, Just thank you immensely, and I mean
that honestly. Thank you so much. I've been a great
friend and a great colleague. Okay, it's the nine o'clock
hour and in the news, you just heard that there
will be no school tomorrow for the ninth day of
(02:23):
this school year in Gloucester. There will be no school
tomorrow in the Beverly school system for the ninth day,
and no school tomorrow in Marvelhead for the eighth day.
So doing just a little bit of math on that,
that basically is about twenty six school days in those
(02:45):
three systems, you know, a nine to nine and eight.
We have talked before about the problems with teacher strikes,
and if you've read today's editorial in the Boston Globe,
it's not often that the Globe and I editorially are
(03:08):
in sync, but we certainly are today and the Globe
essentially is saying that teacher strikes in Massachusetts our first illegal.
I mean, what is it about illegal that someone doesn't understand. Now,
we've kind of gone through this in recent times with
(03:29):
the use of the word illegal in other ways, and
people have told us that, well, just because something says
it's illegal, it isn't necessarily illegal or whatever, you know,
that sort that sort of wordplay euphemisms or whatever. Look,
these three unions up north of Boston, Gloucester, Beverly, in
(03:54):
marble Head, those teachers have been out of the classrooms
for well it'll be two weeks in, not tomorrow, but
the day after tomorrow. That's the substantial part of the
school year. Now, I know that you've seen the teachers
(04:14):
displays of their protests, and they're they're not in it
for themselves. They're in it for their students, and they're
in it for the for the parallel, the para professionals.
And I get all of that. But I had suggested
last week and an idea, and the Globe, to their credit,
(04:37):
the editorial page of Globe today was suggesting an idea
as well. And the idea that the Globe has been
suggesting that the fines that judges have been imposing have
been inadequate. Frankly, because if the the purpose of the
fine is to force the teachers union to get back
(05:02):
into the classroom, by definition not working, so they need to,
in I guess the opinion of the Globe and also
the opinion of yours, truly, they need to look at
those fines and make them a tougher. If again, if
(05:23):
the idea of a fine is to say, look, you're
doing something illegally and we want you to stop. If
you find them four dollars a day or whatever, it's inadequate.
It just is absolutely inadequate, and as a consequence, the
strike has gone on now a long time. Looking at
(05:44):
it from the student's perspective, these are school days that
maybe they'll have to make up in April or February,
I guess I think it's Beverly that's saying they can
make this these days up in April February, well nine days,
that's two weeks. So if you're going to really make
(06:06):
it up in April and February, there goes the April vacation,
there goes the February vacation. Gloucester, they're saying that they'll
keep kids in school until June thirtieth. I think all
of us know that once you get past June first,
and summer has really arrived in New England, you're not
going to get a lot of great school work done
(06:30):
in the month of June. So here's my proposal, and
it's a fairly simple proposal, and that is that. And
I didn't probably explain it as well as I should
have last week, So I want to hear from you, Okay.
Since strikes by public employees are illegal in Massachusetts, and
(06:54):
that includes police officers and firefighters, one of the things
that that should be done, particularly for school features. Their
school year generally is September to June, starts right after
Labor Day, sometimes before Labor Day. And here's what I
(07:15):
would argue needs to be done. Most school systems operate
on three year contracts. So let's take a three year contract.
So let us assume at the end of this school
year in June of twenty twenty five, the town or
the city and the union has now about fourteen months
(07:40):
left or fifteen months. Well, actually it'll be twelve months
left because it probably would end on June thirty the
following year. So the parties, the union and the school
department would be required to have some meetings and some discussions,
(08:00):
some number of meetings and some discussions whatever one might
think would be reasonable, ten twelve to fifteen meetings spaced
over the summer of the year, of the summer before
the contract expired. Now, if those meetings produced a result,
that's great. You'll have a contract in place going forward
(08:20):
months before the current contract expires, so that's a good thing.
But if during that summer before the agreement was not
reached or it wasn't finalized, then you get to the
next June thirtieth, which in our hypothetical would be June
(08:43):
of twenty twenty six, the contract expires. We're not going
to start a school year without a contract in place.
How do we do that? We have a binding arbitration
or some form of negotiations back and forth, which again
take place during the summer June or the July and August. Now,
(09:08):
I'll tell you the teachers' union won't like it because
they want their summers off, but it is an incentive
to get the contract done. And if by a certain date,
let's say August fifteenth, just like they do in negotiations
with professional athletes, highly paid professional athletes, the athletes representatives
(09:33):
put in a proposal or whatever. They you know, want
up three years, twenty million dollars a year, total sixty
million dollars whatever. And the team has put in a
proposal and said, nope, just we will be willing to
pay him two years and we'll pay fifteen million dollars
a year, so that's thirty million dollars. Well, they make
their case, however they want to make their case, and
(09:54):
at some point I date let's say August first, oh,
say August fifteenth, the conversations, the negotiations end, and by
September first, the arbiter or the mediator, however you want
to characterize it, makes a decision and says we couldn't
(10:15):
reach an agreement. Therefore, I'm going to impose a three
year contract, which you know, the legislature would have to
pass some sort of legislation making this, you know, permissible
and mandatory. And if there is a strike, it would
become then what would be characterized as a wildcat strike.
(10:35):
And at that point, the teachers would be put unnoticed
and the union we've put unnoticed. That any strike is
going to result in people losing their jobs, because these
strikes that are going on now will force other cuts
in all of these communities. So there will be collateral
damage here. Maybe there'll be some of the younger teachers
(10:55):
will who will lose their jobs, maybe people in public works,
maybe people in in in public service. I don't know.
But there's only so much money each one of these
communities can spend on a teachers contract. So I would
love to hear from parents who are inconvenienced immensely by
(11:16):
these school strikes, immensely because they now have to come
up with some way in which their children will be
looked after different ages. Obviously, if you have a kid
in the first grade, well, you're not gonna say to
the kid in the first gide, Mommy and daddy have
to go to work, enjoy yourself, don't watch too much television. No,
they're gonna they're gonna have to find a babysitter. They're
(11:37):
gonna have to find a relative, they're gonna have to
find a neighbor, which who I assume they're gonna have
to pay to to take care of little Johnny or
a little Debbie big inconvenience there the child's learning process.
How you know there's an impact here. There's a real
impact on all of the school kids in all of
these students in these schools. Now, maybe if you're I
(12:00):
don't know, a senior, well it could impact you. Maybe
you're taking college boards for the last time. Maybe you
need letters of recommendation written for your applications as to
where you want to go to college. All of this
I think is put aside during the teacher strike. And
these obviously are coordinated strikes by three communities in three
(12:23):
communities all north of Boston, Beverly, Gloucester, and marblehead. So
that's my proposal. Basically, say to the union and to
the school departments of the school committee, you ran for
this job, you applied for this job. You need to
do the job for the benefit of the kids and
the families in our community. And here is the rules
(12:46):
the legislature will put down and you're going to have
to comply with them, simple as that. If you've read
the Globe editorial and you agree with that, feel free.
If you agree with my idea, feel free. Something has
to be done. We have a Massachusetts teachers Union. Invited
them to come on to the show and to defend themselves, okay,
and they have always rejected our invitations. It's an open
(13:08):
door invitation to the president Teachers Union, max On Paige,
and there's his assistant. I forget her first name, but
I'm Ms McCarthy. I only remember that name because one
of my grandmothers is well, my mom's mother is a McCarthy.
(13:28):
So if you're McCarthy out there, maybe we're related. Let's
get to this, Okay. If you're a teacher and you
think that I'm being horribly abusive to teachers, I'm not.
I'm not at all. And I would suggest that all
of you go to the Massachusetts Department of Education slash
teachers salaries. These teacher salaries, when I last checked a
(13:50):
week ago, are only updated to the year school year
twenty twenty one, meaning twenty twenty through twenty twenty one,
so they're four years old, and all of the teachers.
The average salary for these three school systems again Beverly, Gloucester,
marble Head, the ones that are out on strike about
(14:11):
eighty six eighty seven thousand dollars average average six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. There's been a bunch of teacher strikes and
it's only going to get worse until the legislature and
the governor get some backbone and take them on and
say this shall not stand. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
The Globe editorial says tougher action is needed on teacher strikes.
Illegal teacher strikes continue this week in three North Roe communities, Marblehead, Beverly,
and Gloucester, causing massive disruption for those communities, with little
apparent progress toward a conclusion. The article concludes. It says,
the way the process now works, finds typically aren't levied
(15:04):
until a strike has been in effect for several days.
Finds generally started about fifty thousand dollars increased by ten
thousand dollars or so each day that the strike continues.
But it finds aren't immediately onerous, and payment can be
delayed until the strike is over, whereupon the cash flush
parent union can quietly help make its locals whole. Pressure
(15:24):
to end the illegal strike obviously won't be maximized, but
it finds for striking starts say one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a day, and went up by that amount
or more each day the strike continued, unions would be
more cautious about breaking the law by going out on strike.
As the MTA locals begin their second week of disrupting
(15:47):
their communities, it's pretty soon going to be the third
week with illegal strikes. It's time for a tougher approach,
after all, if a state isn't serious about enforcing the law,
in the Massachusetts Teachers Association and its local simply won't
get serious about abiding by it. Pretty good editorial in
the Globe today. Let's go to the call is going
to go first off too, John and Denham. John, you
(16:10):
first tonight on Night Side. Whether you agree to disagree, folks,
you are welcome to join the conversation.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Go ahead, John, Heyga. I was in high school during
the Blizzard of seventy eight and we had like three
weeks off around a vacation week, and I believe we
just added twelve minutes to each class, so we were
basically making up a day every week. And so cause
to take away vacation from especially like you're a senior,
you may be going on a senior class trip or something.
(16:36):
It's just it's ridiculous. And I think if you're both parties,
I know this will sound harsh. I think maybe for
every day they strike, both parties have to start one
week of jail time.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
In the summer.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You take away somebody's time.
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You watch how quickly this stuff gets resolved.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
So when you say both parties, you're saying both the
school committee and the union the heads of.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The union exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well, because that way, that way neither party can hold
the other hostage. You know, if you say just the
teachers are going to happen, that's.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
An interesting suggestion. What do you think about my idea,
which is basically you've got to start negotiating in effect
the summer before the contract expires, we don't expect you
to come to an agreement. But once the contract expires
in June, that next summer, the next two months, July
in August, you got to have You may blow your
(20:33):
entire summer, but you've got to sit and negotiate, and
at the end of it, if you don't come to
an agreement, the arbiter or the mediator will issue a decision,
just like they do in professional sports. You know when
you know when when some you know, hotshot player says
I've had great years and I want a ten year
contract for fifty million a year, whatever it is, and
(20:55):
the team says, no, we're going to give you three
years at twenty million a year. Eventually, somewhere somewhere in
the middle, a decision is made. I think that that, well,
what do you think. I like my idea a little
better because it's more specific.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I think you and I are on the same page,
meaning that, Hey, if you're going to take away these kids,
the time from these kids and their families because the
families have totally disrupted, then we're going to take away
your time in the summer, which is I think what
you kind of to your point and eaid if hey,
you got two months, you can't go vacation until you
get this resolved. But I mean the teachers that probably
(21:35):
can still go on vacation because they're not in the
part of the negotiate, right, you just have a union
members and any any teacher who says this is for
the kids, you know, they're full of you know what.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Yeah, well again, as they say, people should go look
at the Department of Education statistics from four years ago.
It's on it's a Massachusetts website, and it will tell
you exactly what the average teacher makes in your community,
wherever you live in the three hundred and fifty one
city in towns Up, Massachusetts. We love the idea, John.
I think you're thinking outside the box, which is which
(22:06):
is great. We got a couple of ideas. Maybe we
could blend them together. Okay, Pegs, buddy, thank you, talk
to you soon. All right, good day. All right. Let
me see that I got one line in six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty and got one line at six one, seven,
nine three, one ten thirty. We can talk about this.
I have no guest scheduled this hour. We may have
(22:27):
either some union representatives who we have invited to call in,
or some of the representatives of the various school committees
they have also been invited to call in, but no
guests who will be here for a long time. So
I'd like to get as many calls in as possible.
And I got two lines up right now that are
available six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
and six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. And
(22:49):
if we need to go into the next hour, we will.
I think it's important. Now some of you are saying, Hey, damn,
what's what's the big deal here? We're talking about Gloucester, Beverly,
marbled In. I don't even live near those places. What
if the Mass Teachers Association can pull together a little
north Shore combined strike. You don't think that we could
be seen a little south shore maybe a Metro West
(23:09):
combined strike, Berkshire Teachers' Union Combrian strike. Don't kid yourself
back on nightside right after the news at the bottom
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Speaker 6 (23:25):
Let's get back to the phones and let's talk to
Doc from Midford Dot. Welcome back.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
How are you hi?
Speaker 11 (23:31):
Dan, Hey, Dan, you know they're not going to negotiate
in the summertime because they've got their vacation planned. They're
going to be in Europe on our dime. Well, maybe they.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Will be, but the union leaders will have to negotiate,
because if they don't negotiate, then the arbiter the mediator
can say, Okay, this is the proposal I have from
this from the town of such and such and the
city such and such. The union shows not to negotiate,
(24:03):
I'm going to go ahead and support the towns and
that would make that then would be the contract they'll
have to have to live under.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Well, I think the first thing that should happen is
right away, now that they're out for two weeks, they
get a ten thousand dollars pay cut boutomatic automatic, every.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
One of them.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
And then the next step would be what President Reagan
would do. They all lose their job, get all new teachers.
They lose their job period. That would the message.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
It's tough to do that in the middle school year,
to be well, you know.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
What, they're going to have to do something, and the
teachers and the yeah, oh yeah, but I think a
ten thousand dollars pay cut. If that loomed over, they'll
squashy little head that they'd give in. I think they'd
have to.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Well, what happens here is that because these two these
schools go out on strike, that sends a message to
the other communities. The community say, if all of a sudden,
now our teachers' union threatens a strike, we better well
pay attention. That's the nasty little secret here. And you
have the Mass Teachers Association, which was very successful and
(25:20):
getting rid of the the m CAST graduation requirement. Yeah,
and the next thing they're going to try to do
is get rid of the m CAST testing in the
eighth in the third grade.
Speaker 11 (25:31):
The way powerful. They're too powerful, and they get you
gotta nip them in the bud with a pay cut.
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Speaker 6 (28:45):
Okay, all right, Dot, I got it in there. All right,
let's see if people more people might agree with you. Okay,
I was trying to do it in a nice way.
You're like, bottom line, Dot, can't.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Be nice today. I can look at them on TV
with snap and gum big losses.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Oh come on now, none of that, None of that,
None of that, all right, no rabbit punches. Okay, are right, thanks,
thanks DoD. Let's keep rolling. Here. Steve is in Revere.
Steve you are next night, said welcome?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
He agreeing? Dan here, how are you doing it for
my call.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Dude, great, well, thank you for calling in. What's your
taking all of this?
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Well, I'll tell you I don't agree with them going
on strike. I mean, it's not right, but.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's more than not. It's Steve, if I could, it's
more than not right. It's illegal. You know it's not
right for you, Steve. It's not right for you to
park in that handicapped parking space when you were running
into dunkin Donuts. Not right to do that, but it's
also illegal.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Go ahead, exactly. I totally agree, but I have to
tell you I'm powerfully there. My sister is a para
and the Rare school system and again they're actually under
contract negotiation. Also. I don't know if you know that
or not, but they've made their statements by doing other
(30:18):
things on their off time. She tells me some stories
about what she goes to with kids. I mean, I
don't think she's nearly paid enough. What they do with kids,
biting and kicking them. But if father's teachers going on strike,
you know that should be done on a time that
doesn't take away from the learning of their children going
(30:38):
to school. Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Now, did you say this was your wife was a paralegal.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Oh no, my sister was a paralegal.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Your sister, Okay, okay, I'm sorry to make sure. So
now paralegals mates make substantially less than teachers, absolutely, which
is something that the Teachers' Union over time has negotiated
with various cities in towns. How long has your sister
been doing this type work?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
It's when seven years?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Seven years? So this is a career path for her.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
This is yeah, she has she has graduated from Suffolk
University years ago. She's I mean she's almost fifty three
years old.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Okay, did she take this up after? Did she do
something else or was she.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
I'll make a long story shot. She used to work
years ago for the FBI as a different things I
can't get. I don't want to talk about problem. Go ahead,
but she shows his career path when her daughter was
born and my niece is now in college and she
(31:50):
went back to work, and she said, it's just frustrating
to see what they go through with patties, because I mean,
they nearly not pay us and they have to they
have to come a lot of classes for when teachers
are own. It's yeah, if.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
They should be they should be paid more. I think that,
if anything, the teachers should negotiate it. Take take one
break from from one. If the teachers said to a talent,
look we're okay, we'll work for the next three years
without a without a pay increase, but we want a
substantial increase for the paralegals. I would be with the
(32:28):
union one thousand percent at that point. Steve. Again, I'm
not going after you know, anybody here personally, and certainly
not going after your sister. But I think something has
to be done structurally here and and maybe what we
just talked about having the teachers back off in one cycle, well,
you know, take a two or three percent raise and
give the rest of it because you know and helped they.
(32:50):
They always talk about the powers and how the paarers
are underpaid. Notice they don't say the teachers are underpaid.
It's so they use the powers to negotiate raises for
the t's.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I know it's not all.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Right, stay appreciate you calling so much.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Thank you not to jump off the second, but I
can't wait. You have the Kay guys back on, so
I love those.
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We love the car guys, Scott and Larry's. Matter of fact,
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Speaker 7 (33:22):
Oh, thank you so much, and I appreciate you geting
me my call. Thank you so much. I'm good night.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Let me go to Pete in South Carolina. Pete, thanks
for that suggestion. We did. I had a lot of
fun with Charles Rowe. It was a wonderful little that I.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Listened to it. It was great. But I am calling
dot took some of my thunder and said Ronald Reagan
fired all the air traffic controllers because right now, I
am sure there are plenty of men and women college
educated don't have a job, would love to have a job,
(33:58):
even if it's a teaching they're certified or they have
a degree and you know some sort of institution of
higher learning.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah, well the only work. Yeah, no, I get it.
But the problem is if you weren't, If somehow someway
they fired an entire union, it's going to end up
in court. I think that would be penny wise and
pound foolish in my opinion. That you know, maybe what
they could say is, okay, we'll give you the rays
(34:30):
you want, but we're going to have to cut you know,
ten percent of the teaching staff. And it might be
that that might wake them up or something to basically
to say to a union group of you know, however
many teachers. It might be two hundred teachers in a community,
you're all gone, and then to recruit and get twenty
(34:51):
two hundred people to replace them in the middle of
a school year. I think that's that's a big mountain
of klim.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
It's either a big mountain to climb where you're gonna
have to climb the same mountain because your kids aren't educated.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
No, I understand the frustration. I really do.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Yeah, and I'm in South Carolina. This is you know,
I usually don't call in when it's a local Massachusetts
type thing, but I just had a thought that was it.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
No, no, no, let me ask you. I'm assuming that
you have, you know, teachers in schools down in South
Carolina obviously, who are very qualified, very competent. The teacher strikes,
our teachers are unionized in South Carolina. South Carolina might
be a right to work state.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
It is a right to work state. Okay, because my
three grandchildren, my once my grandson just graduated high school
and the other two are in middle school and high school.
So you know, we stay on top of it. My
daughter obviously does because it's her kids. But like I said,
(36:01):
you know, pulling this off in the middle of the
school year.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
By the way, in three in three communities that are
like peas in a pod, they're all you know, Massachusetts,
I know a little bit. Yeah, I've lost to Beverly
and Marblehead. They're right up there on the north shore right.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Uh. And to do this to the children, that's not fair.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Well, like the one lady said before me, take away
some of their money. There's got to be something I
don't know, But all right, just frosted toasts a little bit.
When I heard the topic, I gotta call them.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
You know, I'm glad you did, and I'm certainly glad
to suggesting you made. And for those of you who
do not know, Pete is a big uh train I
guess fan, you know, lying on railroad railroading and he
he suggested one of our guests last night at eight o'clock,
(37:01):
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you haven't heard it, you want to listen to the
toll last night's eight o'clock hour gives you some great
ideas if you have a kid for presence this holiday season.
You know you got a little bit of a throwback.
But boy, I'll tell you. You look at their website and
(37:22):
you see the trains that this this website has. I'm
I'm thinking pretty seriously here, Peter have given Charles a
call and getting something for my grandson. So I got
to get it clear with the parents though, if you
know what I'm saying, oh.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Of course I understand. But anyway, you have a great Thanksgiving.
I probably will get you sometime afterwards.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
But absolutely right back at you.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Take care, my friend.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Thank you much you so, okay, go take quick break here.
I got Beth, Mario, Paul, and Andrew coming up. Only
room for you at six point seven nine three open.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
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Speaker 13 (38:21):
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I've seen the ups and downs in her career. I
spent thousands of dollars on education on that she had
to get PDP points over the thirty years that she
was there.
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Speaker 13 (41:45):
And what I say is why at the school committees
fined for not having their contracts ready for them or
in agreement. It's the time that they was supposed to
be rather.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Well they PROBABLEM Well, I don't know if they had
contracts ready for them. Obviously, if if they presented them
with a contract that the union liked, but then you know,
the negotiations can be over in a day. But that's
really not the way it works. What they do is
they start off, you've got the base of of of
(42:16):
the contract that currently exists, and obviously any union is
going to come in and say, would like to get
a raised here, like to get this situation worked part
of the part of the negotiations.
Speaker 13 (42:26):
And I agree with you there, and I agree with
you there, but but you have to look at the
whole picture of the whole cyclativity of the economy where
these teachers have taken zero percent for three years, and
now that the economy has grown, they understand that you know,
there's a there's a lot to pay for and you know,
(42:48):
with with the whole economy thing going up and down whatever.
So if they were more proactive in these school committees
and and ignoring that and giving them the right percentages
or something close, you wouldn't have this situation.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
You're actually.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
I got two questions for you, and I'm really interested.
Let's assume and I don't know the specifics of these
three contracts and Gloucester, Beverly Marblehead.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
You're you're telling me that that they've received no raises
in the last three years. I don't know that.
Speaker 13 (43:28):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no,
don't say that in the last three years. What I'm
saying is over a thirty thirty year career. Okay. I've
experienced this with my wife because she's she is a
public school teacher in the system for thirty years.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (43:44):
There are times when times were hard for the state
in the in the cities and towns where they received
no zero percentage raises.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Okay, And again I'm not I'm not disputing that, and
I don't want to talk about, you know, a situation
that I don't know about and you don't know about
whether this was in twenty thirteen or twenty eighteen, I
don't know. My point is this, you got three towns.
Let's let's deal with what if we can agree on.
(44:15):
We got three count towns, Gloucester, Beverly, Marblehead. There's no
school now for eight or nine days? Okay?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
What would be a fair resolution in your mind these
three schools.
Speaker 8 (44:28):
The average teacher?
Speaker 13 (44:29):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Scond question will me a favorite innwery. I'm trying to
pose a question to you, Okay, So if you would
give me the privilege of posing the question in this entirety,
I'll let you answer me in your entirety. Okay. So
you have three towns that we know of. The average
salary up there is around eighty six eighty seven thousand
dollars in all three towns. That's according to the Department of Education.
(44:54):
What do you think would be a fair percentage increase
in your opinion? You're the husband of a former teacher.
What do you think would satisfy the union for the
next three years? Give me the numbers that you think
would be reasonable.
Speaker 13 (45:09):
Well, the thing is is, I can't I can't give
you those numbers because I am not in their history
of their contracts. The issue is is when you get
into these history of contracts, right, they have maybe maybe
they have taken zero, maybe five ten years ago, okay,
(45:30):
and now that now that the income ratio is much
much higher, maybe the police and the fire department or
the public works the contracts are much much higher. The whole,
the whole deal with this is, you know, you're talking
about three different towns here. Why is it the school
can be defined for not doing their contract on time?
(45:51):
These people are awaited the contract.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Because there's no obligation. There's there's nothing illegal about negotiations
going toward beyond a certain date. However, however, now, however,
however you asked again, You've now asked me a question,
and you don't want to hear my answer. The reason
that the teachers union are being fined, Andrew, is that
(46:16):
in Massachusetts strikes by public employees teachers included, that's illegal.
That's what they're being fined for.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
That.
Speaker 6 (46:24):
There's no basis to find the school committee of these communities.
Speaker 13 (46:28):
So why isn't there though, Why isn't there that's the
legislature talking about three different communities up there right, And
you're saying, well, why why why are these kids not
going to school? And I said, well, why why, let's
be a little bit more proactive. Why aren't these Why
isn't the school committee obligated to make those contracts come
(46:49):
in and fair on time.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Well, first of all, that's a subjective determination, Andrew, and
that's you might think that fear and on time would
be a eight eight percent and eight percent. And maybe
they say, we don't have that money in this town,
and we cannot go back to people in this town
and raise their real estate taxes to fund that. I mean,
(47:12):
that's what their problem is, Andrew. I appreciate your point
of view on it. I just was hoping that you
could give me some idea. What you think they deserve
they're making eighty five or eighty six thousand dollars?
Speaker 13 (47:24):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
No no no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 7 (47:29):
What you have to look at too.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Is oh, you've already told me that, Andrew. I've heard it.
I don't need to hear it twice. I got to
look back at the entire history. So why don't we
do this, Andrew? Why don't I change the subject and
I'll spend tomorrow looking back at the entire history of
the Gloucester, Beverly and Marblehead school contracts over the last say,
twenty five years, and then we'll open up the phone
(47:53):
lines again tomorrow night. That's not the way my world works,
andrews as much as.
Speaker 13 (47:56):
Okay, no, no problem. Did I appreciate that?
Speaker 6 (47:59):
Right? Catch you all right, much appreciate it. It'll go
next to beth in be in Berkeley. Beth in Berkeley.
How are you, Beth?
Speaker 14 (48:07):
I'm fine. How are you doing?
Speaker 6 (48:09):
I think I'm doing Okay, go right ahead.
Speaker 14 (48:12):
Yes, I'm a former teacher. I taught in the Farvar
public schools for thirty five years. I retired in two
thousand and eight.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
And what you told me and I missed here. I
did not hear. What public school system? Did you teach in?
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Fall River?
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Oh? Fall River? Sure? Okay, absolutely, okay, thank you for
your service. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (48:36):
And I retired in two thousand and eight, and so
I was listening to your discussion. I know Fall River
isn't on the same level as the north Shore schools
that you're talking about, but at the same time, you know,
I feel like you know, like you're the voice of reason.
(48:57):
But I don't understand how you can have such strong
opinions about something that you've never done before, like taught
in public school settings. It's not.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
Easy.
Speaker 14 (49:11):
It's a difficult job.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
I happened to understand that very much, and I agree
with you. I have never I have never played Major
League Baseball, but I criticized the Red Sox every year
when they lose. And I've never been a United States senator,
but when I listen to someone of our senators say
something that I agree or disagree with, that's my job
(49:34):
is to kind of comment here. You know, but did
your union ever go on strike or no?
Speaker 14 (49:43):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 13 (49:44):
We did.
Speaker 14 (49:45):
I started teaching in nineteen seventy three, and I believe
we went on strike soon after that. And you know,
we had to pay fines, the far of the Teachers
Association had to pay clients, and we ended up going
(50:06):
back to work, and we ended up teaching longer days
and teaching into like the end of June to make
up the days that you're on strike. But you know,
it's just like if you've never taught before, you know,
the bell rings you teach, you're on, you know, like
(50:27):
you're on. Kids are looking at you and you're teaching
like straight for forty five minutes and then the bell rings.
You can't go to the bathroom.
Speaker 8 (50:41):
You have to.
Speaker 14 (50:44):
It's not easy. And in Floridver we I mean, I
retired in two thousand and eight, and I think I
retired at fifty thousand dollars, which cause the.
Speaker 6 (50:57):
Average salary in Fall River in the school year twenty
twenty to twenty twenty one. Want to take a guest
as to what it was in that community a few years.
Speaker 7 (51:06):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
Seventy seventy four, one hundred and seventeen.
Speaker 14 (51:11):
Dollars that average average feature salary. That's with the masters.
Speaker 6 (51:19):
It's an average salary. So if you have one hundred teachers,
you combine every everybody, you combine top of the scale,
bottom of the scale, and average. Okay, yeah, so yes,
I appreciate. Unfortunately, I'm up. I'm up till ten o'clock.
I'll hold you into the next hour. If you have
more comments you'd like to make, would you like to
(51:39):
hold through the news?
Speaker 14 (51:41):
No, I'm all set.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
You are, okay, Well, thank you very much for you
and thank you for listening, and thank you for calling.
We'll take a break. I'm going to stick with this
into the next hour for a little while. We have
some lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one thirty.
Feel free to fill them up.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
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(52:17):
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few cups of coffee, maybe a candle, Or you could
get a year of the best reporting from all over
the world. Go to Washingtonpost dot com slash BF twenty
four right now. You'll get a Washington Post subscription for
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got out that the star of the film, a killer
whale named Keko, was sick and still living in a
tiny pool in a Mexican amusement park. Fans were outraged,
kids demanded his release. I'm Danielle Racon from Serial Productions.
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