The Archdiocese of Boston Speaks Out

The Archdiocese of Boston responds to Saint Susanna's Parish in Dedham and their nativity scene that is displaying an "ICE was here" sign, condemning the display. The archdiocese says, St, Susanna's "neither requested nor received permission from the archdiocese to depart from this canonical norm or to place a politically divisive display outside the church. The display should be removed, and the manger restored to its proper sacred purpose.” We will discussed the latest update in this story.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's new radio. Thank you very much, Al Griffin. Well,
last night at this hour we took up an issue
that generated a lot of interesting phone calls on both
sides of the issue. By the way, let me give
you the background of the story and tell you what
the developments were today. One of the things that I

(00:22):
like to do here in Nightside is to follow through
and make you folks bring conclusion to stories. Last night
we talked with that couple down by the Sagamore Bridge
who are potentially losing their home to Eminent Domain. But
the story we're talking about tonight deals with this church

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in Debti. It's a Catholic church in Dadam called Saint Susannah.
The pastor who's been there for a while his name
is Father Stephen Josuma. He has on the occasion used
the Nativity scene, which is often the scene that appears
at Catholic churches. Also, I assume any Christian church of

(01:08):
the around the around the Christmas season to celebrate the
birth of Jesus uh and the normal Nativity scene will
basically replicate what Catholics and Christians believe happened uh, two
thousand or so years ago when Jesus was born, uh

(01:29):
in a in a manger inside but you know, probably
was a dilapidated barn under very difficult circumstances that his
mother and father had had fled an area to avoid
being found out the king at the time, King Herod,

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wanted to kill all these children under the age of whatever,
you know, who recently had been born as the story,
as the Christmas story goes, and they fled. I was
born in a manger, and angels game and shepherds and
wise men and all of that. So it's a time when,
you know, if the birth of Jesus was not the

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son of God, well, really the whole purpose of Christianity,
the entire concept of the religion of Christianity, really rises
or falls on that event. And I don't want to
get theological here, that's not my purpose. But the point
is people celebrate Christmas as the joyous time of year.

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And this particular priest who we did invite to come
on the show last night, and I believe that he
would have come on except he apparently had a trip
that he was taking to Maine. And if he wants
to come on next week he can. He basically set
up or had his parishion to set up the Nativity scene,
which includes again the wise men and shepherds and you

(02:57):
know animals that would be found in a bard at
the time, Coyle's and sheep. But he took the child
baby Jesus and his parents Mary and Joseph and replaced
him with a sign that said Ice was here and

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made a political statement. Back in twenty eighteen, the same
church do national attention with a Nativity scene that showed
Baby Jesus trapped in a cage, a protest against the
first Trump administration's policy of separating families at the border. Now, ironically,
if you've been listening to our show tonight, we had
a really interesting caller. We had several interesting callers last hour,

(03:41):
but I want to point out Jr. From Waltham who
told me he's fifty one. He was born in al
Salvador and came here to this country legally, spent ten
years on a wait list to apply to become a
citizen in this country, went through all sorts of testing,
did it the right way. He is now a commercial

(04:03):
driver truck driver and hopefully has laid the foundation for
a great future in this country. He's proud to be
an American. I'm proud to call him a fellow American,
and I hope all of you are as well. And
he's done it the right way. That is not the
people that ICE are trying to get out of this country.

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They are looking at criminals, and I think the Trump
administration and ICE needs to do a better job of
making people understand that the people who are being removed
from this country are people who came here illegally and
have criminal backgrounds. I mean, I am not looking to

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see people thrown out of this country who are here
and have been here for a while and have complied
with our laws, even though they might have come in
here illegally. I'm more concerned about the people who are
here and are going to cause problems or have already
caused problems. And that is what I think the Trump administration,
if they're smart, and sometimes I don't think they're very smart,

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needs to focus on because cameras are everywhere, and when
when someone who is not an illegal immigrant who is
a problem, and it's someone who is a legal immigrant
here or or illegal immigrant here but has been working
and living a respectable life that's that. That is what

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should be highlighted.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And unfortunately, for some reason, the Trump administration is not
drawing those distinctions. And if they are, if they are
drawing those distinctions, they are not making it clear. And
I think that they can if they want to. I
would hope that they want to. But well, will weigh

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in on that. But the point is that today and
I don't know if the arch Diocese was listening to
our show last night, but they released a statement today
which I want to congratulate the arch diocese on because
I think that the statement that they released, I thought

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it was just really well at well written and well
thought out, and I want to read it to you.
The arch diocese statement is as follows. The people of
God have a right to expect that when they come
to church they will encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and
Catholic worship, not divisive political messaging. That's the key phrase.

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The Church's norms prohibit the use of sacred objects for
any purpose other than the devotion of God's people. This
includes images of the Christ Child and the Manger, which
ought to be used solely to fall to faith and devotion.
Regarding the recent incident. Saint Susanna Parish neither requested nor

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received permission from the archdiocese to depart from this canonical
norm or to place a politically divisive display outside the church.
The display should be removed and the manger restored to
its proper, sacred purpose. That is a statement from Terry Donellan,

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Secretary for Communications and Public Affairs of the Archdiocese of Boston.
So last night we had a very spirited conversation, and
you know, do I think that the priest out there,
Father Josama, has a right to have his beliefs, Absolutely,

(07:50):
no question. He has an opportunity every week to speak
from the altar and deliver a homily. And I've sat
through many homilies in the Catholic Church which I thought
were overtly more political than than that I would like.

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But that's I'm not the priest. I'm not the priest.
But I think when you take the Nativity scene, as
this pastor did, and try to turn it into a
political statement, how would you like to be? Someone said
to me today, how would you like to be an
ice officer going to your family at Saint Susannah on

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Sunday or Saturday afternoon you would, you would feel very uncomfortable,
I assume. And again the point that I'm trying to
make is that ICE is out there doing a job
getting people out of the country who the American people

(08:57):
voted for, who supported in the two election. We went
through four years of Joe Biden with completely open borders.
You had statements made by the Homeland Security Director at
the time that the borders were secure. Those were liies.

(09:18):
He knew those relies. I knew those relies. You know
those relies. There were anywhere between fifteen twenty I don't
know more million people who committed this country during the
Biden administration. Some of them, I'm sure were good people.
But being a good person is not enough. We want

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good people like Jr. Who called us last hour, But
we need people who are coming in for the right reasons,
who are coming here because they want to live as Americans,
who want to come here, work hard, who want to
come here, raise a family, who want to come here
and do all the things that most Americans do. Want

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to live their life and freedom want to live there
a lifestyle that in some countries around the world is
not accepted. That in some countries around the world, the
lifestyle that people live in America. They have to do
it in hiding, and if they don't do it in hiding,
they risk imprisonment or worse. That's what America is all about.

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And the only way we can do that and maintain
some level of decorum is to do it right. So
I want to say congratulations to the Archdiocese of Boston
for standing up for in my opinion, calling it as
it should have been. I want to congratulate the new

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Archbishop of Boston, Archbishop Henning, who took a position that
I'm sure some will disagree with, but as I understand it,
the Archbishop was very much involved in a recent special
message on immigration from an assembly in Baltimore, which is

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available through the Office of Public Affairs. I just think
that I'm delighted. I hope that Father Joe Soma comes
on this show next week. He will be welcome to
come on here. I think what he did was he
basically tried to take and use the Nativity scene, which

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is the most fundamental element of the Catholic faith, for
a political position that he believes it, but it is
not a position that should be displayed, and certainly the
Nativity scene should not be used for a politically divisive action.

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And I say congratulations to the arch Bishop, congratulations the archdiocese.
And I'd like to hear from some of you. If
you happen to be Catholic and you share the thought
and the feeling that I have, I'd love to have
you join me. If you disagree with me, if you
think that somehow this priest's first Amendment rites have been

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in any way limited, I'd love to talk to you
about that as well. Six one seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine three one thirty. I
would like to think, and I don't know this for sure,
I would like to think that our conversation about this
last night, as heated as it was upon occasion, with
some of the calls that maybe that drew to the

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archdiocese attention, that there were some people who looked at
this as as an improper use of this very special
part of the Catholic religion, Christmas, the Birth of Christ
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,

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one ten thirty. I think it is a step in
the right direction for the Catholic Church. That is not
to say that this priest does not have his rights
to say whatever he wants to say, but I don't
think he can. He can go to the point, as
the Archdiocese has said, and and engage and basically utilize
the Nativity scene and the and Christmas Day because that's

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what Christmas Day is all about. For whatever point of
view he may he may hold. We're coming back on Nightside.
I hope you light these lines up because this is
something that I think is important, whether you are a
Catholic or not, whether or not you're practicing Catholic or not.
I think that they need to be standards within any organization.

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And I think that the Archdiocese has done the right
thing here and I congratulate them. Coming back on Nightside,
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray one BS Boston's
News Radio. You can check all of the websites that
you want to check. But the Trump administration is trying

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to do what they can to get bad people out
of this country. However, what I think they need to
do is focus more closely on people who not only
here illegally, but either have a criminal record before they
got here a criminal record after they got here. Now

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I'm surprised that some of you apparently do not want
to comment on this, So I'm going to give you
one opportunity, and if not, we'll go to something else.
But I think that this story is one and maybe
you haven't followed it. Maybe people don't read newspapers anymore.
But if you're in debtam and you're a member of

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this church, if you're familiar with it, the archdiocese has
basically said to this priest, hey, you have you've overstepped
what what we would like you to do. And they
have basically said we we are not interested in divisive
political messaging. And I think that's important, I really do.

(15:15):
I mean, this is not a matter of civil rights. Uh,
this is this is it's every issue that comes up
is there's disagreements. There are people out there protesting against
the ice arrests. However, however, I think the vast majority
of Americans, and I'd love to know what you think,

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the vast majority of Americans are okay. As a matter
of fact, they voted for a president who pledged to
get people out of this country who have come here
for for the wrong reasons. And that's what we are
simply talking about tonight. Uh. And when you see a
sign at a Nativity size scene rather at a Catholic

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church turned into a divisive political statement. There's no way
that in any community in Massachusetts or anywhere else, that
there is unanimity on a question like this. And so
I'm going to just give you an opportunity. We have
a newscast coming up in a couple of minutes. I

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say the Archdiocese has done the right thing here in
basically saying to this priest, who again, you know, displayed
this inclination during Trump's first term to basically take a
position and politicize the Catholic religion. I just think that

(16:42):
this is not neither the time nor the place, And
if you happen to be Catholic, I would love to
hear your thoughts on it. I will tell you that
the arch Diocese has said to this priest, people have
gone have the right to expect when they come to
church they'll encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and Catholic worship,
not divisive political messaging. And regarding the recent incident, Saints

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Susanna Parish neither requested nor received permission from the archdiocese
to depart from this canonical norm or to place a
politically divisive display outside the church. The display should be
removed and the manger restored to its proper sacred purpose.
I agree, and I congratulate Archbishop Henning for taking a

(17:32):
position that I know some people will criticize him for.
And if you want to criticize him, that's fine, But
I would much prefer to hear from people who listen
to this program and who have a thought on this,
because I think this is an easy call, and I
think that the church here in Massachusetts did the right thing.

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Six one, seven two ten thirty six seven nine, three,
ten thirty. Coming right back on Night Side. It's Night
Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. By the way,
real quickly here before and we do have full lines,
and everybody stay right there. I'll get you. This is
a press release from ICE, which I think is indicative

(18:16):
of what's going on. ICE arrests two criminal illegal aliens
convicted of endangering children. These are women. ICE arrested two
criminal illegal aliens convicted of heinous crimes against children in
back to back targeted operations in New Jersey and Texas.
One Gladys Letitia Boosta monte Rios of Honduras and Maria

(18:37):
Alexandra Camaro Quinonez of Guatemala, both in ice custody. Boost
To Monte had been previously removed from the US and
was barred from ever re entering, and Gamarro has a
final order of removal. Boost deamonte illegally entered the US
in nineteen ninety seven when she was charged with assault

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and a family offense sentenced to five years in prison.
On August seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, an immigration judge ordered
her removed and prohibited her from ever re entering the country.
This is like almost thirty years ago. She was removed
on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine. Busdamnte illegally re entered
the country, which is a felony, so she was here

(19:21):
from July thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine. On November ninth, twenty
twenty five, ICE officers arrested her near her residence. She
will remain in ice custody pending her removal. She was
here for twenty five years after having been convicted of
a felony. Gomara, who entered the US legally on a
visitor visa, was what was required to leave the country

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by April twenty seventh, two thousand and seven, but failed
to do so. Ice encountered her in New Jersey's Sussex
County jail on August fourteenth, twenty thirteen, after local authorities
arrested her for theft. She posted a two thousand dollars
bond was noticed with it was released with a note
to appear before a Department of Justice immigration judge. On

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April first, twenty twenty five, an immigration judge in Chelmsford,
Massachusetts ordered her removed. Ice arrested her November tenth in Graham, Texas,
where she was reporting for probation after a judge deferred
adjudication in her child endangerment and abandonment case. She will

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remain in ICE custody pending her removal. If you cut
through all of this, these are people who've been living
here for over a quarter of a century after having
been convicted of crimes here. These are the people that
the Trump administration and ICE should highlight and emphasize and emphasize.
Let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to kenon

(20:45):
Waldam first. Ken, welcome back, Welcome to Night Side. Your
thoughts on what the archdiocese has ordered today?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I don't have a super strong opinion on that.
I think overall, I think what this, what was done
in den him is basically ineffective. I mean, who are
you whose mind or you're trying to change and you
know it's really going to work well.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think what the Archdiocese was concerned about was that
whatever portion of their you know, church members at this
parish who support sign, that's fine. But if you're going
there and you happen to be an ICE officer or
you the parents of an ICE officer, do you really
feel welcome at that church? And I think that's the

(21:32):
divisive aspect of it that the Archdiocese is basically addressing.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
But that's what I wanted to throw at you. What
I think is happening for people who support this, and
I wouldn't consider myself one of them. Is when you
see like abregoor Garcia sent to El Salvador and you know,
which was against a direct judges order that he not
be sent back, I think, what what's happening with that?

(22:01):
And the many other things things you've covered, you know,
the woman from Toffs and things like that, and you
know ice people in that, you know, I think outrageous behavior,
this kind of behavior. I keep thinking if if the
parents should put this crash up during the Obama administration, say,
I mean, I think everybody would say, what's what's he doing? Right?

(22:23):
Because it wasn't that even though Obama I think the
boarded more people than Trump in his first you know,
than Trump's first administration. Uh, it wasn't controversial and people
would say, you know, what's going on? But I think
when people are really outraged at Trump, as they were
always going to.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Be outraised, a Trump can't well does matter, yes, but
they were outraged at him when he took out the Iranian,
when he took a round off the nuclear stage. They
were outraged the Trump when he closed the border. They're
going to be outraged at Trump at anything, but we
gotta In my opinion, I.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Don't disagree with I mean, I do disagree with you
on that actually, because you you know, like you said yourself,
you hoped when Obrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador,
and you said, you know, if the Trump administration realizes
they made a mistake, they should correct this, and they
brought him back. Well yeah, but kicking and screaming, right,

(23:20):
I mean you heard Christinomes say he's never coming back.
This is an MS three criminal.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
You know, I came back. He's now under indictment and
he's going to stand trial. You know, they brought him back, and.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, I don't know, not because they made not
because they think they made a mistake, though they brought
but guess what, Guess.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
What the fact of the matter is they brought him
back if they said, we don't care. There was a
woman arrested yesterday. I saw the video on television. She
was a US citizen. Did you see that video? I
did not, Okay from a distance. Somebody shot the video
and and she was, you know, put in in coffs
and she was screaming, I'm a US citizen. Guess what.

(24:06):
She was a US citizen. She was released. Now, I
wouldn't want that happen to me. I wouldn't want it
to happen to you. I didn't want it to happen
to her. Mistakes are made. What what is the alternative?
The If the alternative is to say there is that
we're not going to deport anybody that way, nobody will

(24:27):
be deported illegally.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
The alternative is to do exactly what you said. Okay,
to highlight the really bad guys.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay, talking about a couple of women who have been
here a long time.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, obviously, Dan, if you were running this show, it
would be so much different.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It would be it would be would be appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So my point I think what's happening is, I mean
the Biden administry, Biden thumb just knows that the country
for three and a half years, well, you know, I
think with six months ago he finally changed the border
policy right to be more normal.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
He did, the people around him probably changed it well
six months ago or whatever, you know, it would be
now a year and a half ago. I don't think
Joe was cooking on all.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I think I think the one thing I think that
wasn't the issue. I think the one thing Trump and
Biden have in common is an incredible level of stubbornness.
But I think what you know, the people who are
outraged and it certainly was too and Biden with I
mean is the country for four years, would probably accept
outrageous type behavior similar to what this priest Dentam did

(25:43):
because the behavior is so bad, and I think people
on the left will accept the crash and be okay
with it because they think the Trump administration is so outrageous.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Okay, I understand that. I do understand. Look, it's it's
no coincidence that the priest put baby g Jesus in
a jail and it went during Trump's first administration. Pretty
clear what he feels. Look, I I just I really
appreciate talking to you, Ken, because you know we may
be on kind of the opposite side here. What I'm

(26:15):
saying is I don't want anybody deported from this country
who should not be deported, everybody the level of due process.
But I also want to make sure that when people
are deported who shouldn't be here, that they don't come back.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And that's absolutely fine. And all I'm saying is why
I think people accept outrageous behavior, because when they're so
irritated at the outrageous behavior of the government, whether.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's I understand that, I do understand that. But at
the same time, if you're going to do outrageous behavior
and within a within a private organization like the Catholic
Church and the archdioce, he says to you, hey, take
that sign down. The line's pretty clear, Ken, I got
to run. I got a bunch of calls. I gotta
keep going, have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I want to Yeah, you too, And I just want
to say I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just
trying to explain it. I appreciate so much, Dan.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I appreciate that. Let me go next to Maureene and Brockton. Hi, Maureen,
thanks for calling in. How are you Hi?

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Dan? Great and I hope you are well too. Yes,
I am so kind of fun kind of kind of
funny backstory. So I have a sister who lives in
Colorado and we have the family text and she I
don't know how she came across this story, and then
she forwarded because the priests that we're talking about, he's

(27:36):
our father, Josoma. He actually uh he went to school
over at Saint Colum Kills where we all went in Brighton, Okay.
So so she knew I know the name, and I
don't know how many family members were. I mean, it's
so funny. But you know, well, first of all, I

(27:57):
agree with with all of your points, and I agree
with the archdiocese. I mean, I am Catholic, and you know,
I get to tell you that one of the highlights
at this time of year was to always you know,
stop and admire, you know, the manger. That was very important.
That's important to me. So but yeah, so, I mean,

(28:18):
kudos to the archdiocese for their statement. And you know,
you can have your opinions, but you don't need to
have an ice sign inside the manger.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's my thought.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I'm with you totally, and the Archbishop of Boston,
Archbishop Handing, agreed and obviously his statement speaks for itself. Maureen,
thank you. You said it better than I did. You
should be the host of the show. I mean, I'm
trying to be very specific and try to make you
know I don't want to see people who are here illegally,

(28:50):
but have we get all the criminals out before you
before you go to anybody who's here illegally who hasn't
committed a crime.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's my feeling exactly.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
It's Merry Christmas to you and to your family and
to all of Knightside Nation, right to you, right.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
To you, Maureen, and I hope we talked before Christmas,
but Merry Christmas to you and to your husband and
to your entire family. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Oh thanks, thanks.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Can I have a great night good night. Okay, get
to take a break. It's it's ten forty five. I
got four callers here. I'm going to try to get
everybody in. I promise I will try and guess what
I think I will coming back on Nightside.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Boston's news Radio.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Let's get going here. I want to got a couple
of callers from Data. I'm going to get them in quickly.
And then I got Greg from Rosledale, Mary and Lexington.
If I can get to Day from San Francisco, I
will let me go next to Jeannie in Debtam Janie,
you are next on Nightside.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Welcome, Thank you Dan, it's nice to speak with you.
And Merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Mary Chris.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
I just want you so in my two cents here.
I'm familiar with father Jama. I've been a deadimite all
my life and I have seen it. I've seen many,
many of his displays at Christmas time that have been
very controversial, and I am of the same belief as you.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
This does not belong.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
You know, this, this I thing does not belong in
a crush. It's uh, it's just kind of you know,
it's putting politics, it's meshing it in with with the.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Religion, you know.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
And I think that you know, the Good Lord wanted
to want us, want us to be, you know, wants
us to be uh uh good to our fellow man.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
And the thing is is that's where the church is
blurred at, you know, between the politics and the the
Christianity or the you know, fellow man taking care of
each other. It just seems that those two cannot get
along well the other.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
The other thing, too, is when you think about the
theology of the church, the the all of that, the
theology of the Catholic religion at least doesn't say everybody
goes to heaven. It you get into heaven if you
obey the rules.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
You know, I'm a Catholic. I'm a Catholic school girl.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So so what I'm saying is that that the United
States is saying, basically, not everybody can come into the
United States. But if you try to come in, I mean,
if you crashed into heaven, I assume at some point
Saint Peter's going to come over and say, hey, buddy,
you don't belong here.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
That's the irony when you really, when you when you
break it down a little bit.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
I mean, it's yeah, it's kind of a conundrum, and
it's you know, and I know I've known Father Jessoma
and spoken with him personally and what have you. So,
but it's been many years since I've seen him. But
he's I know, he's probably stuck between a place where

(32:04):
he wants to be there for his fellow man. He
wants to be Christian like.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
He wants to be christ like.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Bus by the same token, he doesn't realize that he's
also doing damage to the church because he's mixing this.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, well, I hope that he complies with with the
order from the Archbishop. Genie. I wish you called earlier,
but I got a whole bunch of folks. I want
to try to give them a couple of minutes as well.
Have you ever called the show before since your first time?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
This is my first time.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I was going to give you a one of the clause.
It's the first time. Pause. Thanks, Jeanie, come on back
very much, and Merry Christmas to you. Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
And you and your family.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
All right, thank.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
You, all right, let me go to John and Denham too. John,
I'm going to get you in here. A little quickly
because you're from Denham. Go right ahead, sir.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Okay. As we spoke to a pot just on him
a couple of weeks ago as a fellow Think Camp
Joe Up, I was be awake, but I'm not really
close to him, yep. But my big of concern is
that he's acting like a lot of other people that
you're if you're giving your information from main street media
and maybe Democratic politicians, you are not having all the facts.

(33:14):
And it just frustrates me that, you know, the stuff
that's going on now could have been prevented if a
Democrats worked with the Homeland Security and hey, just turn
over the criminals and we don't have to go in
and all the parishes and everybody.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, no, I agree. I'll look for what had happened,
what took place For four years we had opened borders,
and now the borders have been tightened up. And I
don't want to see people abused, but I do want
to see the criminals removed from the country because we
have enough homegrown criminals. We don't need to allow other criminals.

(33:53):
Did you hear last Hour Jr? From Waltham, young guy
from he's fifty one years old took him ten years
to wait in our south, who have to come here
the right way, came here legally. He's now, he has
a CDL. He's a truck driver, and he's what we
need in this country. We need immigrants, and we need
immigrants who are coming here for the right reasons, not

(34:13):
coming here for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
What's funny is I've called before. I am in the
freight industry. I have to take all my exams, ESA clarents,
all that stuff. But I see the truck dries and
listening to his story. My parents came from another country.
They did it the right way. They had a weight line,
and it's it's I think they're I don't think the
people get it that they're offend. These people come into

(34:38):
this country legally, are offending the people who did it
right they I think they I hate to say like this,
they're giving immigrants a bad name.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yes, well, they're not giving regular, you know, legal immigrants.
I think it's always important to emphasize we need immigrants,
we need legal immigrants in this country. We need to
know who they are, we need to know what they
want to do when they come here, and we want
to treat people and welcome people. My grandparents came here
as well, they were welcome, different time difference, out of circumstances. John,

(35:07):
I got both you and Genie in because you're from Dedham.
Thank you both for calling, and thank you my friend
for calling back. And look forward to more conversations with you. Okay,
thank you very much. Let me go to Greg and Rosendale. Greg,
want to get you in here before the end of
the hour, Go right ahead.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Oh, yes, thank you. We spoke yesterday. Yes, I know that,
and I just wanted to call back and say that.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I do.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
I was listening to you afterwards, and I do believe
you are supportive of all people that come in the
correct way, and I'm the same as that.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
But I do.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Believe that the archdiocese made the right decision to not
support that at this time. But I think what I
would if I met the priest, I would say, go
to a place where immigrants are being have to go
to report and support them, because a friend that I

(36:12):
have that is in Iowa said that there are one
hundred and fifty people at this one place, and fifty
people some families you know, in the deep freeze, and
they're all waiting outside to go in to do what
Ice is and Ice has.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
A hard job.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
There's it's there there, and they're doing the best they can.
I understand that, well, Greg, would I would agree with you.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I don't want to see anybody abused. Okay, I know
we had kind of a fiery conversation last night. I
think the more you get to know me, you understand
that I'm not an unreasonable person. And I'm I'm very
glad you called back. And I'm very glad I took
your call. You can call this program anytime you don't.
You agree with me, disagree with me, we can always
have a conversation. When we were a little wrestling night,

(37:00):
I'm a little rushed tonight, but that's okay.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
We've had a couple of times, Dan, but it's been
a while ago, so we've gone to some some some
some of the same fundraisers, so we'll probably we'll probably
bump into each other.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, bumbs, introduce yourself and come on back as a
as a frequent caller. I really I will enjoy our conversations. Okay,
and I do you celebrate Christmas with a name like Greg?
I assume you're Catholic.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
I was raised a Catholic, was a lapsed Catholic. But okay,
when I retired, I actually did a program in Chicago,
Loyola University for the past year and that's what really
put me in okay, in touch with immigration.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right now, let me just say this, Uh, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Okay, Merry Christmas to you Dan in your family.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Talk soon, Okay, good night. Let me get Mary and Lexington. Mary,
I can get about a minute or so for you.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Go right ahead, Mary, okay, just quickly.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
I wanted to shed a little information on the woman
that was picked up in Florida, and they were not
after her. They were after her illegal boyfriend. Yes, she
was driving his car.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yep. I mentioned that last night. I did not mention
it tonight, and I'm glad you mentioned it, Mary.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
But also the reason reason too was she did not
comply and cooperate with them. Yes, so had she, maybe
that scene wouldn't have happened. So because she didn't comply
and cooperate. But once they did sort everything out, she
was promptly released a couple of dollars. Ago said, if

(38:43):
there was more cooperation with Ice, these things wouldn't happen
as often. They're more dramatic than they are the source
of what's really going on behind the scene.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Not only more personal cooperation, but more cooperation. They are
making it difficult for ICE, and here in Massachusetts, our
politicians should cooperate with ICE, particularly when we're talking about
dangerous criminals. For the Democrats or for the Senator from
Rhode Island, Jack Reid to refer to the to the

(39:16):
gun runners, the Naco terrorists as sailors. At some point
he said, the two sailors were alive before they delivered this.
What are you talking about sailors? I mean, these these
are guys who are bringing drugs into this country to
kill Americans. I don't get it right.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
And they also said that they saw them waving for help.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well, well I haven't. I haven't seen the video, and
hopefully we will, you know, but I have confidence in
the US military. Mary, thank you for calling. Thank you
for clarifying that, and I hope you continue to call
this program. Yes, thank you, Thanks Mary, Mary, Christmas.

Speaker 7 (39:59):
You too, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Thank you. All right, So the callers in the line,
I apologize those two Denim callers were very important because
that's what happened. We're going to the twentieth hour. So
if you're on the line, you want to stay there.
My question to you is when the cold weather starts.
The question tonight is what is your go to comfort food?
What is the best food you can order on a

(40:21):
cold winter night or the best food that you can
make for yourself. Let's talk about let's warm it up
here until midnight.