October 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Massachusetts State Auditor Diana DiZoglio continues her fight to audit the state legislature, a voter backed action that received 72% voter approval last November. DiZoglio has run into continuous roadblocks to get the job done and her office has confirmed that they are “actively pursuing the filing of a lawsuit” against the Legislature.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
NO. I talk to people every day, friends and people
who call me. I call people back on the phone.
And I'm telling you right now, this is probably the
most important fight that you can have here in Massachusetts.
I'm going to ask you a question, and I'd like
you to answer the question. I'm going to get right
to phone calls. By the way, So Paul and Maria
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and Joe, you're coming up next. Do you think that
the legislature in Massachusetts, the State House of Representatives and
the State Senate should be audited by the state auditor
if you answer yes to that question. Do you think
that a ballot question that passed last fall by seventy
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two percent of the voters calling for an audit of
the legislature, the State House Representatives, and the State Senate
should occur? If you said yes to those two questions,
the legislative leadership literally is look at you in the
eye and just ignoring you. If you want that audit
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to take place, this is what you, as an individual
need to do. One get in touch with Diana form
a dot com, d I A n A f O
r m A dot com and see what she is
attempting to do. She's trying to put a ballot question
on the ballot next year, needs to get signatures for
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it so that the governor's office and the legislature and
other offices would be not exempt from freedom of information
acts as they are currently. But but I can even
give you something better to simpler to do. All you
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have to do is when you run into your state
rep or your state senator, or call their office and
tell them that until the audit occurage, you will never
vote for them for state legislature legislator again. That will
throw the fear of God in all them, all of them,
and they will one by one go to a speaker
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Mariano and the Senate President and say we need to
comply with what the people voted for in November of
twenty twenty four on dollar Question number one. Again. I
just think it's critical, and I think that you can
sit there as an armchair quarterback, as my friend Pete
from West Roxbury did, and suggest to Diana Desauglia that
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she give up her office as her position as state auditor,
not run for reelection, and go off in some don
quixote sub quixotic effort to run against the attorney General.
Let's be practical, folks. I had a couple of conversations
today with people who I think are not practical. I
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agree with Pete, west Roxbury has changed. Okay, that's fine.
There's a whole bunch of things that have happened over there,
none of which have been particularly good for west Roxbury.
So we'll save all that for another night. I want
to hear your outrage, because this is outrageous. Seventy two
percent of the people in Massachusetts voted for something and
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they're being ignored. Maria in Rockland, Maria, you were next
on nightside. Go right ahead, you have the microphone. Let's
hear what you think.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hi, Dan, thanks for taking my call. And I want
to thank mister Saglio for fighting the good fight.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, I joined.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I was on my way home and I got into
the middle of your conversation, and the first thought that
struck me was that we have a law that was passed,
like you said, by seventy two percent of the people.
They're not following the law, and didn't a group of
people from our government just protest. No kings on the
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comment on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh, very good point. Very good points.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, I don't and I don't. I don't subscribe to
any party. I'm an independent and they and I find
it so ironic and infuriating that they will do as
I say and not as I do.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, we need Yeah, we have a prince and a princess.
We have a prince and a princess of the state
legislature here, and maybe there should be no there should
be a no prince and no princess rally as well. Look,
the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people,
and I continue to say this to people, when you
vote in a presidential election in Massachusetts, it doesn't matter
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who you're going to vote for, because the Democrat will win.
If you want to vote for a Republican, go run ahead,
you want to vote for a Democrats, go run ahead.
Doesn't matter. It's it's preordained. It's preordained. But the elections
that are closest to you, those are the ones that
really have an impact. You can have an impact on
your state representative, on your state senator if you have
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the guts and the gumption to say to them, hey,
until we have an audit of the body of which
you remember, I'm never voting for you again, I'll vote
for anyone else, doesn't matter. That will throw the fear
of the Lord in him, because most of those folks
realize that they stand for reelection and they have a
you know, ninety eight percent opportunity to be re elected.
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It's almost a sure bed. But if people start telling
him I'm not voting for you, that's going to change
things quickly and.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dramatically, exactly, and I will I hope the governor is
listening because she will not get my vote come election time.
If if they're going to pull this stuff, they're going
to go against the will of the people, they do
not deserve to be in office.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well that's exactly the situation that they find themselves in
at this moment. So Maria, as always, I thank you
so much for your for your loyalty to this program.
And and again, this is a program. We can sit
here and talk about things that don't matter, and sometimes
we do, but this is something that really does matter
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and people should be concerned about it. So thanks, thanks
for your voice, and get to your state rep use
state senator if you get a chance to tell it
to them, looking looking in the eye. It's even more effective,
but a phone call will help as well, and just say, hey,
you think that I'm going to ever vote for you again?
This is a litmus test. You you you you you.
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You were going against the way the people in Massachusetts
asked you to vote and you your loyalty is to
the speaker, your loyalty is to the Senate President. Well,
my loyalty is to anyone who runs against you. That's
what they feel. Thanks Maria, thank you so much. Good
night night. And by the way, that way to get
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in touch with Diana Desaglio is Diana d I A
N A f O r M A dot com and
you can get uh petitions if you'd like to be
a signature gatherer. It's pretty simple and it gets you
involved in politics. Just the wake up folks. You know
they're doing whatever they want irrespective of how you feel.
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And if you need proof of it, just listen to
that last hour six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. I
feel strongly about this. I will get to Joe's next.
Joe and Cambridge. You are coming up next, Paul in Plymouth,
Joe and Belmont, and I got room for you at six, one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty and six one seven, nine three
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one ten thirty. Don't go to sleep on this one.
Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Back to the phones. You go, my friend Joe and
Cambridge Joe your next night's ie. Appreciate your patience, right ahead.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Joe, Hi, Dan, thank you for taking my call. And uh,
by the way, it was worth our way to get
on to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, I'll tell you, I wish that I could get
you to to the auditor, but again, I just take
them as they call in, so you'll get to her promise.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I understand. And yeah, I'm I'm sorry I missed her
to thank her in person, but I hope she's listening.
And I just want to say that, you know me, Dan,
I'm independent, unrolled, but I'm I'm you know, right leaning conservative,
and you know I have my own personal battles with
Democrats these days, but I have to say the Madam otitor,
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this is a breath of fresh air and I'm behind
her one. I hope she's listening. I voted for this,
I'm supporting her one hundred percent on this I'm behind
her on this new built uh, this new ballot voting
she's presenting. I will do everything in my power to
try and get as many signatures for her. I will
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rally behind it. I am a strong believer in the
First Amendment and you know, for your requests especially, and
I'm absolutely incensed, furious at what is going on at
the State House. You know, your last caller, you know,
called it out appropriately, the irony of the no King's rally.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
This we have.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
We have a king sitting in the Senate and in
the Queen sitting in the corner of state Governor's office
that's supporting them. I'm sure as far as the Attorney General,
absolutely abhorrent. I'd never support her from day one. I
wanted to see her out of this office. And it
infuriates me even more. Does She announced today that she's
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running again for re election and she's running on a
post So so far, so far, so far, hopefully.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
This this state is a disaster. This state is a disaster.
It is, in my opinion, one of the most corrupt
states in the Union. What they're doing in the Statehouse
right now. We've voted for this, We being the voters
of the state of Massachusetts and the fact that they're
stonewalling is the Attorney General is you know, you know,
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complicit in this and helping them in stonewalling and not
assisting you know, the state Auditor's office. You know, it
is absolutely feuiity and people do need to call their representatives.
It's surprising to me that seventy two of the voters
voted for this in this state and the audacity of
these people in this legislature to thumb their news and
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sort of you know, p and Ri I right to
put it up politely. You know, how do they expect.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like, here's the dirty little secret. Okay, here's the dirty
little secret. And I'm going to say it as clearly
as I can. There are forty state senators. All Karen
Spilka needs to do is to win re election. Uh
in in what is what works out to be about
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two in a district that represents two and a half
percent just through the math of Carlwaulta, Massachusetts Mariano has
has a smaller fraction. His representative district in Brockton is
one over one hundred and sixtieth. It's less than one
percent of the car maalth of Massachusetts, so they get
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re elected. Uh, and they have all of these minions.
It's the way the systems worked. It's worked since since
I was a young reporter covering people like Tommy McGee
from Lynn when he was the state when he was
the Speaker of the House. You know, Charlie Flaherty, George Caverian,
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you know Dave Bartley. It's the way the system works.
It's a it's a you know you you when you
come in as a new legislator, you declare your fealty
to whoever's the head of your party. And that's the
way it works.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But but if if all of a sudden, a bunch
of the state reps who who are who are in
and the Speaker and the Senate President in their districts
on'mly powerful speaker will come all from Massachusetts and my district,
I will make sure it is the most you know,
it gets everything it needs. Same way for the Senate President.
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So most people who live in Brockton, or most people
who live in Natick or Asland where Spokens district is,
they're all there clapping because all we're gonna get more.
We're gonna get more. We're gonna get more. They're not
gonna really get more, but they're gonna they're gonna have
the impression they get more. But the people who live
in contested districts, they don't want to hear from their constituents.
They want to go down the diner on Saturday morning
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and pat people in the back and say, heybody, you're
great to see you. How is the little woman in
the kit Yeah? And then and those people go home
and they sit at the dinner table that night and
they'll say to, you know, to their wife, oh, you
know who spoke with me today at the diner. Year
representative from a Flora. He's a great guy. We've got
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to keep voting for him.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
As it's snapping a quick selfie in the dinner I
know with that right, Yes, it's im boring. You're right,
one hundred percent right. And and mad In Dazabel was
correct too and saying, I mean, I'm friends, I'm friendly
with and I know personally a couple of the state representatives.
Unfortunately they're in the minority. And we've spoken about this
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several times over the last you know year, and they
completely back up what she's saying. You know that that
people are afraid to speak up in the Statehouse because
of what's going on. How they bullied.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, again, what I would suggest to you, Joe Humbly,
and anyone in the audience who is looking to make
Massachusetts a better place, go to Diana form as so
d I A, N A, F O, R M A
dot com and you can get more information on what happened.
What was passed a year ago, which was basically gave
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her the authority by statute on a ballot question to
audit the legislature. There's no question that she asked the authority,
but the Attorney General has said, well, you can't. You
can't exercise the right to go into court unless you
have my permission, and I won't give you my permission.
It's a game. It's an absolute game up there.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I agree. I agree. I'm one hundred familiar with it,
and I do want to all of the listeners on
your radio program, so go ahead and inform themselves. You know,
it's a tragedy of what's going on. It's infuriating, but
you know, so while I was listening, I did have
a couple of many questions answered about lawsuits. So she
did mention that there she is. She is pursuing a
separate lawsuit, which I'm happy to hear she did mention
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in again more news for your you know, information for
your audience as well. You know, if the if there
is a class action suit, which I one percent support
or would support, I hope it does come to fruition
that you know should go forth as well, you know
from the voters in this state. Ye so, And in
addition to that, you're right, put pressure on your local
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representatives and one back up and get the signatures and
get these four yer requests you know, on the ballot
and passed, because I think it is absolutely criminal in
my opinion, the fact that this state, okay, these these legislators,
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the governor, that all of these leaders in this state
have exempted themselves from Fourier requests. It is absolutely mind
bogging to me.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And by the way, there's a lot of stuff up
there that that the auditor is aware of. When when
she was in the state legislature, there have been lawsuits
filed by female members up there, female staffers up there
against male elected officials, and there have been what's called
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NDAs non disclosure agreements signed, so which means someone gets
a payment, whether it's ten thousand dollars or one hundred
thousand dollars. They accept the funds, but they can't talk
about it. So that is another dirty little secret. How
the you know, you know, And again what that comes
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down to is some state rep up there has a
couple of beers too many, and all of a sudden
he throws his arm around, you know, some young intern
and and maybe does something inappropriate, or maybe the intern
perceived it is inappropriate. And so what happens is they
want to keep that hush Hofs and they they they
work a deal. And you know that's the nun what
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called NDA. She wants to find out about the NDAs.
It's this is all stuff that let's open it up.
Let's open it up. It's as simple as that. Transparency.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
No kings, no queens.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No princess, no princesses. No one is above the law,
including the legislature.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
In massachuont nobody, nobody.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
And I would have one request of the of the
Madam Madame disaugurrial. The state arditor is a not if.
But when we get this through and we open the books,
I want her to go through like a pitbull.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I have any doubt in your mind about that having
listened to her. Come on, Joe, I'm Joe. We're gone.
You're the longest call of the night because you're one
of my best callers, but we gotta go for the newscast. YEP.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Thank you, Dan, and thank you Madame Dissaved New York.
Breath of fresh Air, one pent Thank.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Joe, appreciate the call. We're coming right back on night Side.
UH one line at six one seven, two five four
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Speaker 1 (18:30):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We're going right back to the phones. Let me We're
going to try to move people a little bit more quickly.
Paul and Plymouth really appreciate your patients as well. You've
held through the news.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Go ahead, Paul, no problem. Dan.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I was wondering about the possibility of initiating a on
the local warrants and town meetings and municipalities, some sort
of initiative, like a whole rule type of.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Thing, where you know, we bring that up to the
legislature demanding that they comply with the with this law that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Was passed well in my opinion, and I think that's
a good suggestion. But in my opinion, that's unnecessary work.
And because the work that you would you that you
would spend doing that. In three hundred and fifty one
cities and towns in Massachusetts, the voters have already spoken.
In twenty twenty four, there was a ballot question and
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by seventy one point six percent rounded up to seventy
two percent of the voters instructed that that be adopted
as a law effective in January, that the order would
have the authority to audit the legislature, and the legislature
is basically saying we're not going to open up the
books to you. They're defying the will of the voters.
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So there's no need to go back and go through
town meeting and all of that, because you're just spinning
your wheels. The way to make this effective and to
happen is either for Diana Desauglio to somehow get into court,
and I've suggested that she should have and maybe she
wouldn't do it, that she would get a law firm
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to create a class action lawsuit, because I think that's
the quickest way to get this resolved. Okay, that's number
one and number two. In the meantime, if if my
audience all called their state rep tomorrow in their state
senator and said, look, don't give me any as Joe
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Biden would say, Malachy, don't tell me how you are
in favor of the audit. But you you are not
the Speaker and you because that's what they'll say to you. Well,
I'm with you one thousand percent, and you know, if
we're up to me, we would go forward with this
auditor because I have nothing to hide. It's really a
decision by the Speaker and the Senate President, and I
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cannot twist there on. Well, all you have to do
is say to that state Rep. Or state senator, as
long until this audit is allowed, I will never vote
for you again. And you get about twenty or thirty
people tell that to a state rep or a state Senator.
They'll have a heart attack because you know at that
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point that threatens them. They that are going to go
to the speaker and the Senate president say look, you know,
I know that you're doing the right thing, mister Speaker
or Madam President, but you know, I got voters out
there who are going to turn me out of office,
and you're going to have to deal with it with
a group of react revolutionaries. By the way, Diana Dezauglio,
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she's pretty progressive, Okay, she's a progressive Democrat. And you
have this is basically a combination of progressive Democrats and
Republicans who want transparency and let the chips fall where
they may. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I kind of believe that the arrogance on their pot
that they that's it's total arrogant comply yeah with something
that the people passed. It's it's uh, that's that's Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, it is when you have a one party state.
And again, Dissauglia is a Democrat. She was a Democratic
state rep. She was a Democratic state senator. She always
watched to She's an independent minded person, but she's a Democrat,
and she's a Democratic state ardor, and and she's in
the perfect position to demand this. And I just think
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I've had her on the show on this topic now
two or three times, and I'll continue to do that
because I think transparency is needed. This is not an
ideological issue. This is not a philosophical issue. This is
an issue about the voters voted and if you believe
do you believe I believe in democracy, they say the
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Washington Post masthead says democracy dies in darkness. No it doesn't.
Democracy dies in the in the State House of Massachusetts.
That's where democracy dies. That's the truth. I mean, you know,
and yeah, so that's what I Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Oh hey, I'll tell you what. How about if you
run for attorney general, You've got my vote.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well I appreciate that. Well, I appreciate that very much.
But let me tell you there are probably better lawyers
than me. I'm a talk show host. I enjoyed doing
what I'm doing. I have been approached by people by
individuals over the years. When I was a television reporter.
I liked what I do. I was a journalist. I
was able to get people out of prison who were
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wrongly convicted. I was able to put Lindon the My
stories helped put Lynda Laruche in prison where he belonged.
He was running Ponzi schemes. Yeah, Lyndon larus Uh. And
I did many, many other stories that were equally important. No, yeah,
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but but those those were those were stories that I enjoyed,
and I enjoyed doing this. Okay, one of the first
stories I did on Night Side. People won't remember it,
but there was a young man who had married. He
and his wife had a child, and they got life insurance,
and she contracted after they got the life insurance, a
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horrific form of cancer from which he died. And they
had five hundred thousand dollars mutual life insurances. And a
lawyer in Boston from a big law firm said he
couldn't handle the case. Could I take it to the
court of public opinion. As it turned out, there was
a fellow who was the president of Savings Bank life insurance.
His name was Bob Sheridan. I met with Bob Sheridan.
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He was appalled The way the law was written in
those days was if you were the survivor of a
spouse who died within two years of the assignment the
issuance of the life insurance policy, in order for you
to recover, you had to prove that your spouse who
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died was not sick at the time. Well, that was
an impossible task. Bob Sheridan, God bless him. After I
met with him, he was the head of the Saving
Bank Life Insurance, which was a big life insurance company.
He went to the legislature and I must say, with
the help of Karen Spilker, this was seventeen eighteen years ago,
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we changed the law in Massachusetts. So now the burden
of proof is on the life insurance company to prove
that there was some fraud involved. And that young husband,
who at that time had at a daughter who was
about a year old. She's now probably close to twenty.
He got the five hundred thousand dollars life insurance because
of Nightside. And I remember that when I signed my
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first contract with the then general manager. Initially there was
some insurance. There was some advertising that was pulled from
the station. He says, how much money are going to
cost me today and I said to him, I said,
we're doing the right thing. And eventually, eventually SBLI Bob
Sheridan came around. He's a hero in my book because
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he's straightened out the law in Massachusetts. When he went
up to the Sandels and says, change this law. And
I'm the head of SBLI in Massachusetts, there was a
tremendous victory. So I love doing this stuff. This is
what I live for. To be really honest with you,
I like doing the program because I can help people.
I had a woman called me the other day with
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a problem dealing with her her cable television bill. I'm
not going to get into specifics, but I was able
to solve her problem. I can't solve everyone's problem, but
I have, you know, some contacts, and I can help people.
I like doing that. I don't want to go up
and run for some stupid office that that I no.
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I'm happy with what I'm doing. But thank you Paul
for the honor of the mention. And I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Oh no problem, Dan, Well keep up the good work.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I promise, I will. I promise, I will. Okay, thank you.
Let me get let me gonna go next. I got
Joe and Belmont. Joe, I'm gonna get you in here
before the break. Go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
It is better to lay the candle than the curse
of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm with you. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
I'm ticked off.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Good Dan.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
I want your help. I want to organize a rally
like last Saturday to impeach governor Heally.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm not into Joe. I'm not interested in impeaching anyone.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
Uh yeah, well okay.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But I'm not. I'm just telling you the truth. You could.
You can organize your rally. You could organize your rally.
I'm just I'm honest, Joe. I'm not here to impede
Jenny One. I'm not here. I'm simply telling you that
I know what voters voted for in Massachusetts and their
will should be recognized. I'm not here in any way,
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shape or form as a partisan or I wouldn't know.
I have no interest in anything like that. If you
want to do it, I say go ahead. I mean you,
this is a free country.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
You know what Mekle said, the ruler of Greece in
four point fifty BC. I wasn't alive and interest in politics.
Politics will take an interest in you.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's a good line. I like that absolutely. Yea. And
Lord Acton said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely.
That was a head note that federal Judge Mark Wolfe
was very very fond of, and I'm very fond of him.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
And the state legislators in the state representatives and senators
and the governor a stab and the people in the back,
and the Globe and the Herald not doing anything about it.
They should be writing about it every day.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
No, I'll tell you this, No, the hell world has
written about it. The Globe tends tends not to take
take take on the power elite here in Massachusetts. They
If the Globe were to do an editorial on this,
I would commend the Globe fully. But the Herald, Joe
Dranell at the Herald, he's a pain in this. He's
a pain in the neck of a lot of the
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legislators up there on Beacon Hill, trust me, and they
should be. We're a two newspaper town. We should have
two different points of view. But let me know about
your rally and uh and uh and and you can
you can publicize it, okay or not? Your rally or
your f well, yeah, you rally to impeach.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
Okay, always a pleasure, Dan, beg you, Joe talk soon.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Have a great night.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
I know.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
All right, we're gonna wrap this up on the other side,
Ken and Walton, Bob and Medford if any of you
want to get final word in real quickly, I'm changing
topics at eleven after the eleven o'clock news six one seven, six,
one seven, nine three one, ten thirty, we'll be right
back on night side.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're on night Side with Dan on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now back to the phones, would go, We're gonna go
next to Bob in Midford. Bob, I got you and
the one more at least, so you go right ahead, Bob.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
All right, Hi everybody, Uh listen, we got a sixty
billion dollar budget in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Sixty two to be exactly, go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
All right, I stand corrected, Daniel. Great, we can't follow
the money. They made it so that we can't follow
the money. Where is the money going? They won't tell us.
Talk about taxation without representation?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
Sure does that bring to mind King Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's that's a familiar theme.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Yes, Now we're forty percent of the people thirty eight
to forty percent of the people in Massachusetts I believe
voted Republican and we do not have one representative in Washington.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah. Well, first of all, that that's an overstatement. Donald
Trump got about I think thirty nine percent of the vote,
so you know, it wasn't forty eight. It was you know,
Trump had like thirty nine percent of the vote in Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Thirty nine. But still we should at least have like
somebody representing us out of thirty nine percent, didn't they
it would like be one should they all be Democrat?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, one of the one of the arguments in that
is that when you have such a weak Republican party
in Massachusetts, unless a good percentage of that thirty nine
percent is living in one congressional district, I mean that
that vote is spread across the states. So the Republicans lose,
you know, by sixty forty sixty two, thirty eight. I mean,
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that's that's the reality. Oh, I mean, it's like, you.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
Know, that's that might be a jerryman doing things another night,
but yeah, the fact is that you can't brow the money.
It's like, is this not a law that we passed
that are they above this law that they you know, what.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
They're doing is that they're arguing some you know claim,
Well this is this would infringe upon the separation of powers. Well,
obviously it wouldn't infringe upon the separation of powers because
the auditor's purpose is to audit and there was a
law passed by voters ballot question, an initiative petition by
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seventy two that she has the authority to audit the
state legislature. End of story.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
And the Attorney General is not gonna she will.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
She's performing No, she is a roadblock to the to
the state auditor. According to the state auditor, Welcome to Massachusetts, Massachusetts.
Corruption corrupts that absolute. Corruption corrupts absolutely.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
This is a law.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Nobody's running against us.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
She's not enforced in law.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
This is outrageous. This is our money that this man.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And then call your state rep. Call your state rep tomorrow,
call your state rep, your state center tomorrow, and just
warm them done.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
They're just like they don't care. They really don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, they'll care what they hear from enough constituents, they'll
care greatly. Trust me. Okay, hey, Bob, I gotta run here.
Thank you so much for your passion we need in
this state. Well be part of the solution. And by
by being part of the solution, pick up the phone
among call you state Rep, and call you stay senator.
Until this audit occurs, you'll never have my vote again,
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and I will vote for whoever's running against.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
You dixty billion dollars. Do you think there's anything that
they want to hide?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You got it? I'm with you totally. Thank you, Bob,
appreciate your call. Let me go to Ken and wal Damn. Ken,
you're gonna wrap the hour for us, Go right ahead, Ken.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah, I think also the audit doesn't have any teeth, right,
it would just expose what's going on. I can't demand
the state legislature or do anything, so I don't. I
don't see how it's a violation of powers. But let's
get it than the court, right. And Yeah, the other
I wanted to poke a little bit at how maybe
some of us Democrats think our state legislators are is
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acting how we complain about the Trump administration with the
no Kings.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
And I kind of I kind of have always thought
of this as kind of the Epstein files.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Right now that you know the Republicans know what's in them.
They don't want anyone to see them. In the state
legislature in Massachusetts, it is like the same thing.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
But it sounded like a previous caller had suggested to
the Madame Monitor that she start going into the personal
files maybe of some of the people who opposed you know,
what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And you heard my I think you heard my reaction
to that.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, yeah, I mean what I heard was that she
couldn't do it. And what I was hoping to hear
is that even if she could, she wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. No, that's not her job. She just not that's
not her job. Yeah, well, I mean that, And I'm
with you totally, Ken And I said that that I
interrupted the caller, and then she jumped on she has
no interest in doing that. She just wants to do
her job, that's all. And she's a Democrat, she's a
progressive Democrat.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm with you. I you know, I voted I thought
to me she she kind of sounded like an opportunist
when she was running. No, I voted against her in
the primary. I don't remember who I voted for in
the general election. I am so she has proved me
so long. I mean, I just think she's totally on
the side of the people, and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And she she had she had a rough time. She
worked in the legislature, and she had a rough time, uh,
dealing with some of those members of the great in
general Court, if you get my drift. And then when
she was elected, she was looked down upon. And and
then when she was elected to the House and then
to the Senate, she was always an outsider, uh. And
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they she basically forged her will was forged uh in
in in a in a in a factory of steely
eyed looks and looks of disdain. She was not respected,
and now they're fearful of her. Simple So.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
You know, I know it's about what she's doing now.
And maybe twenty thirty two, twenty thirty six, I hope
we live long enough to see her.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
In the Governor's office someday.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
It would be great. You and I would join you
and I would vote the same on that one. JN.
I love your calls, man. I wish you called earlier,
but I'm up against the eleven.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
And we are going to sea with Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
My pleasure, min Thank you. Thank you, And you and
I are not necessarily an agreement and everything, it doesn't matter,
but we're both civil with each other and that's what
this show's all about. Thanks again, appreciate it. We will
be back right after the eleven and I want to celebrate.
And I don't care who you give credit to. It
doesn't really matter to me or what you give credit to.
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Gas prices are down and that's good for all of us.
Can we at least recognize that back on Night's side
after the eleven o'clock news
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
NO. I talk to people every day, friends and people
who call me. I call people back on the phone.
And I'm telling you right now, this is probably the
most important fight that you can have here in Massachusetts.
I'm going to ask you a question, and I'd like
you to answer the question. I'm going to get right
to phone calls. By the way, So Paul and Maria
(00:27):
and Joe, you're coming up next. Do you think that
the legislature in Massachusetts, the State House of Representatives and
the State Senate should be audited by the state auditor
if you answer yes to that question. Do you think
that a ballot question that passed last fall by seventy
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two percent of the voters calling for an audit of
the legislature, the State House Representatives, and the State Senate
should occur? If you said yes to those two questions,
the legislative leadership literally is look at you in the
eye and just ignoring you. If you want that audit
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to take place, this is what you, as an individual
need to do. One get in touch with Diana form
a dot com, d I A n A f O
r m A dot com and see what she is
attempting to do. She's trying to put a ballot question
on the ballot next year, needs to get signatures for
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it so that the governor's office and the legislature and
other offices would be not exempt from freedom of information
acts as they are currently. But but I can even
give you something better to simpler to do. All you
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have to do is when you run into your state
rep or your state senator, or call their office and
tell them that until the audit occurage, you will never
vote for them for state legislature legislator again. That will
throw the fear of God in all them, all of them,
and they will one by one go to a speaker
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Mariano and the Senate President and say we need to
comply with what the people voted for in November of
twenty twenty four on dollar Question number one. Again. I
just think it's critical, and I think that you can
sit there as an armchair quarterback, as my friend Pete
from West Roxbury did, and suggest to Diana Desauglia that
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she give up her office as her position as state auditor,
not run for reelection, and go off in some don
quixote sub quixotic effort to run against the attorney General.
Let's be practical, folks. I had a couple of conversations
today with people who I think are not practical. I
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agree with Pete, west Roxbury has changed. Okay, that's fine.
There's a whole bunch of things that have happened over there,
none of which have been particularly good for west Roxbury.
So we'll save all that for another night. I want
to hear your outrage, because this is outrageous. Seventy two
percent of the people in Massachusetts voted for something and
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they're being ignored. Maria in Rockland, Maria, you were next
on nightside. Go right ahead, you have the microphone. Let's
hear what you think.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hi, Dan, thanks for taking my call. And I want
to thank mister Saglio for fighting the good fight.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, I joined.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I was on my way home and I got into
the middle of your conversation, and the first thought that
struck me was that we have a law that was passed,
like you said, by seventy two percent of the people.
They're not following the law, and didn't a group of
people from our government just protest. No kings on the
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comment on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Oh, very good point. Very good points.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, I don't and I don't. I don't subscribe to
any party. I'm an independent and they and I find
it so ironic and infuriating that they will do as
I say and not as I do.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, we need Yeah, we have a prince and a princess.
We have a prince and a princess of the state
legislature here, and maybe there should be no there should
be a no prince and no princess rally as well. Look,
the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people,
and I continue to say this to people, when you
vote in a presidential election in Massachusetts, it doesn't matter
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who you're going to vote for, because the Democrat will win.
If you want to vote for a Republican, go run ahead,
you want to vote for a Democrats, go run ahead.
Doesn't matter. It's it's preordained. It's preordained. But the elections
that are closest to you, those are the ones that
really have an impact. You can have an impact on
your state representative, on your state senator if you have
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the guts and the gumption to say to them, hey,
until we have an audit of the body of which
you remember, I'm never voting for you again, I'll vote
for anyone else, doesn't matter. That will throw the fear
of the Lord in him, because most of those folks
realize that they stand for reelection and they have a
you know, ninety eight percent opportunity to be re elected.
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It's almost a sure bed. But if people start telling
him I'm not voting for you, that's going to change
things quickly and.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dramatically, exactly, and I will I hope the governor is
listening because she will not get my vote come election time.
If if they're going to pull this stuff, they're going
to go against the will of the people, they do
not deserve to be in office.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well that's exactly the situation that they find themselves in
at this moment. So Maria, as always, I thank you
so much for your for your loyalty to this program.
And and again, this is a program. We can sit
here and talk about things that don't matter, and sometimes
we do, but this is something that really does matter
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and people should be concerned about it. So thanks, thanks
for your voice, and get to your state rep use
state senator if you get a chance to tell it
to them, looking looking in the eye. It's even more effective,
but a phone call will help as well, and just say, hey,
you think that I'm going to ever vote for you again?
This is a litmus test. You you you you you.
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You were going against the way the people in Massachusetts
asked you to vote and you your loyalty is to
the speaker, your loyalty is to the Senate President. Well,
my loyalty is to anyone who runs against you. That's
what they feel. Thanks Maria, thank you so much. Good
night night. And by the way, that way to get
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in touch with Diana Desaglio is Diana d I A
N A f O r M A dot com and
you can get uh petitions if you'd like to be
a signature gatherer. It's pretty simple and it gets you
involved in politics. Just the wake up folks. You know
they're doing whatever they want irrespective of how you feel.
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And if you need proof of it, just listen to
that last hour six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. I
feel strongly about this. I will get to Joe's next.
Joe and Cambridge. You are coming up next, Paul in Plymouth,
Joe and Belmont, and I got room for you at six, one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty and six one seven, nine three
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one ten thirty. Don't go to sleep on this one.
Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Back to the phones. You go, my friend Joe and
Cambridge Joe your next night's ie. Appreciate your patience, right ahead.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Joe, Hi, Dan, thank you for taking my call. And uh,
by the way, it was worth our way to get
on to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, I'll tell you, I wish that I could get
you to to the auditor, but again, I just take
them as they call in, so you'll get to her promise.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I understand. And yeah, I'm I'm sorry I missed her
to thank her in person, but I hope she's listening.
And I just want to say that, you know me, Dan,
I'm independent, unrolled, but I'm I'm you know, right leaning conservative,
and you know I have my own personal battles with
Democrats these days, but I have to say the Madam otitor,
(08:44):
this is a breath of fresh air and I'm behind
her one. I hope she's listening. I voted for this,
I'm supporting her one hundred percent on this I'm behind
her on this new built uh, this new ballot voting
she's presenting. I will do everything in my power to
try and get as many signatures for her. I will
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rally behind it. I am a strong believer in the
First Amendment and you know, for your requests especially, and
I'm absolutely incensed, furious at what is going on at
the State House. You know, your last caller, you know,
called it out appropriately, the irony of the no King's rally.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
This we have.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
We have a king sitting in the Senate and in
the Queen sitting in the corner of state Governor's office
that's supporting them. I'm sure as far as the Attorney General,
absolutely abhorrent. I'd never support her from day one. I
wanted to see her out of this office. And it
infuriates me even more. Does She announced today that she's
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running again for re election and she's running on a
post So so far, so far, so far, hopefully.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
This this state is a disaster. This state is a disaster.
It is, in my opinion, one of the most corrupt
states in the Union. What they're doing in the Statehouse
right now. We've voted for this, We being the voters
of the state of Massachusetts and the fact that they're
stonewalling is the Attorney General is you know, you know,
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complicit in this and helping them in stonewalling and not
assisting you know, the state Auditor's office. You know, it
is absolutely feuiity and people do need to call their representatives.
It's surprising to me that seventy two of the voters
voted for this in this state and the audacity of
these people in this legislature to thumb their news and
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sort of you know, p and Ri I right to
put it up politely. You know, how do they expect.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like, here's the dirty little secret. Okay, here's the dirty
little secret. And I'm going to say it as clearly
as I can. There are forty state senators. All Karen
Spilka needs to do is to win re election. Uh
in in what is what works out to be about
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two in a district that represents two and a half
percent just through the math of Carlwaulta, Massachusetts Mariano has
has a smaller fraction. His representative district in Brockton is
one over one hundred and sixtieth. It's less than one
percent of the car maalth of Massachusetts, so they get
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re elected. Uh, and they have all of these minions.
It's the way the systems worked. It's worked since since
I was a young reporter covering people like Tommy McGee
from Lynn when he was the state when he was
the Speaker of the House. You know, Charlie Flaherty, George Caverian,
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you know Dave Bartley. It's the way the system works.
It's a it's a you know you you when you
come in as a new legislator, you declare your fealty
to whoever's the head of your party. And that's the
way it works.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But but if if all of a sudden, a bunch
of the state reps who who are who are in
and the Speaker and the Senate President in their districts
on'mly powerful speaker will come all from Massachusetts and my district,
I will make sure it is the most you know,
it gets everything it needs. Same way for the Senate President.
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So most people who live in Brockton, or most people
who live in Natick or Asland where Spokens district is,
they're all there clapping because all we're gonna get more.
We're gonna get more. We're gonna get more. They're not
gonna really get more, but they're gonna they're gonna have
the impression they get more. But the people who live
in contested districts, they don't want to hear from their constituents.
They want to go down the diner on Saturday morning
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and pat people in the back and say, heybody, you're
great to see you. How is the little woman in
the kit Yeah? And then and those people go home
and they sit at the dinner table that night and
they'll say to, you know, to their wife, oh, you
know who spoke with me today at the diner. Year
representative from a Flora. He's a great guy. We've got
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to keep voting for him.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
As it's snapping a quick selfie in the dinner I
know with that right, Yes, it's im boring. You're right,
one hundred percent right. And and mad In Dazabel was
correct too and saying, I mean, I'm friends, I'm friendly
with and I know personally a couple of the state representatives.
Unfortunately they're in the minority. And we've spoken about this
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several times over the last you know year, and they
completely back up what she's saying. You know that that
people are afraid to speak up in the Statehouse because
of what's going on. How they bullied.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, again, what I would suggest to you, Joe Humbly,
and anyone in the audience who is looking to make
Massachusetts a better place, go to Diana form as so
d I A, N A, F O, R M A
dot com and you can get more information on what happened.
What was passed a year ago, which was basically gave
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her the authority by statute on a ballot question to
audit the legislature. There's no question that she asked the authority,
but the Attorney General has said, well, you can't. You
can't exercise the right to go into court unless you
have my permission, and I won't give you my permission.
It's a game. It's an absolute game up there.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I agree. I agree. I'm one hundred familiar with it,
and I do want to all of the listeners on
your radio program, so go ahead and inform themselves. You know,
it's a tragedy of what's going on. It's infuriating, but
you know, so while I was listening, I did have
a couple of many questions answered about lawsuits. So she
did mention that there she is. She is pursuing a
separate lawsuit, which I'm happy to hear she did mention
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in again more news for your you know, information for
your audience as well. You know, if the if there
is a class action suit, which I one percent support
or would support, I hope it does come to fruition
that you know should go forth as well, you know
from the voters in this state. Ye so, And in
addition to that, you're right, put pressure on your local
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representatives and one back up and get the signatures and
get these four yer requests you know, on the ballot
and passed, because I think it is absolutely criminal in
my opinion, the fact that this state, okay, these these legislators,
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the governor, that all of these leaders in this state
have exempted themselves from Fourier requests. It is absolutely mind
bogging to me.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And by the way, there's a lot of stuff up
there that that the auditor is aware of. When when
she was in the state legislature, there have been lawsuits
filed by female members up there, female staffers up there
against male elected officials, and there have been what's called
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NDAs non disclosure agreements signed, so which means someone gets
a payment, whether it's ten thousand dollars or one hundred
thousand dollars. They accept the funds, but they can't talk
about it. So that is another dirty little secret. How
the you know, you know, And again what that comes
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down to is some state rep up there has a
couple of beers too many, and all of a sudden
he throws his arm around, you know, some young intern
and and maybe does something inappropriate, or maybe the intern
perceived it is inappropriate. And so what happens is they
want to keep that hush Hofs and they they they
work a deal. And you know that's the nun what
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called NDA. She wants to find out about the NDAs.
It's this is all stuff that let's open it up.
Let's open it up. It's as simple as that. Transparency.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
No kings, no queens.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No princess, no princesses. No one is above the law,
including the legislature.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
In massachuont nobody, nobody.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
And I would have one request of the of the
Madam Madame disaugurrial. The state arditor is a not if.
But when we get this through and we open the books,
I want her to go through like a pitbull.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I have any doubt in your mind about that having
listened to her. Come on, Joe, I'm Joe. We're gone.
You're the longest call of the night because you're one
of my best callers, but we gotta go for the newscast. YEP.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Thank you, Dan, and thank you Madame Dissaved New York.
Breath of fresh Air, one pent Thank.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Joe, appreciate the call. We're coming right back on night Side.
UH one line at six one seven, two five four
ten thirty one line at six one seven nine three
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Speaker 1 (18:30):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We're going right back to the phones. Let me We're
going to try to move people a little bit more quickly.
Paul and Plymouth really appreciate your patients as well. You've
held through the news.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Go ahead, Paul, no problem. Dan.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I was wondering about the possibility of initiating a on
the local warrants and town meetings and municipalities, some sort
of initiative, like a whole rule type of.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Thing, where you know, we bring that up to the
legislature demanding that they comply with the with this law that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Was passed well in my opinion, and I think that's
a good suggestion. But in my opinion, that's unnecessary work.
And because the work that you would you that you
would spend doing that. In three hundred and fifty one
cities and towns in Massachusetts, the voters have already spoken.
In twenty twenty four, there was a ballot question and
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by seventy one point six percent rounded up to seventy
two percent of the voters instructed that that be adopted
as a law effective in January, that the order would
have the authority to audit the legislature, and the legislature
is basically saying we're not going to open up the
books to you. They're defying the will of the voters.
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So there's no need to go back and go through
town meeting and all of that, because you're just spinning
your wheels. The way to make this effective and to
happen is either for Diana Desauglio to somehow get into court,
and I've suggested that she should have and maybe she
wouldn't do it, that she would get a law firm
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to create a class action lawsuit, because I think that's
the quickest way to get this resolved. Okay, that's number
one and number two. In the meantime, if if my
audience all called their state rep tomorrow in their state
senator and said, look, don't give me any as Joe
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Biden would say, Malachy, don't tell me how you are
in favor of the audit. But you you are not
the Speaker and you because that's what they'll say to you. Well,
I'm with you one thousand percent, and you know, if
we're up to me, we would go forward with this
auditor because I have nothing to hide. It's really a
decision by the Speaker and the Senate President, and I
(21:00):
cannot twist there on. Well, all you have to do
is say to that state Rep. Or state senator, as
long until this audit is allowed, I will never vote
for you again. And you get about twenty or thirty
people tell that to a state rep or a state Senator.
They'll have a heart attack because you know at that
(21:24):
point that threatens them. They that are going to go
to the speaker and the Senate president say look, you know,
I know that you're doing the right thing, mister Speaker
or Madam President, but you know, I got voters out
there who are going to turn me out of office,
and you're going to have to deal with it with
a group of react revolutionaries. By the way, Diana Dezauglio,
(21:46):
she's pretty progressive, Okay, she's a progressive Democrat. And you
have this is basically a combination of progressive Democrats and
Republicans who want transparency and let the chips fall where
they may. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I kind of believe that the arrogance on their pot
that they that's it's total arrogant comply yeah with something
that the people passed. It's it's uh, that's that's Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, it is when you have a one party state.
And again, Dissauglia is a Democrat. She was a Democratic
state rep. She was a Democratic state senator. She always
watched to She's an independent minded person, but she's a Democrat,
and she's a Democratic state ardor, and and she's in
the perfect position to demand this. And I just think
(22:41):
I've had her on the show on this topic now
two or three times, and I'll continue to do that
because I think transparency is needed. This is not an
ideological issue. This is not a philosophical issue. This is
an issue about the voters voted and if you believe
do you believe I believe in democracy, they say the
(23:02):
Washington Post masthead says democracy dies in darkness. No it doesn't.
Democracy dies in the in the State House of Massachusetts.
That's where democracy dies. That's the truth. I mean, you know,
and yeah, so that's what I Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Oh hey, I'll tell you what. How about if you
run for attorney general, You've got my vote.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well I appreciate that. Well, I appreciate that very much.
But let me tell you there are probably better lawyers
than me. I'm a talk show host. I enjoyed doing
what I'm doing. I have been approached by people by
individuals over the years. When I was a television reporter.
I liked what I do. I was a journalist. I
was able to get people out of prison who were
(23:52):
wrongly convicted. I was able to put Lindon the My
stories helped put Lynda Laruche in prison where he belonged.
He was running Ponzi schemes. Yeah, Lyndon larus Uh. And
I did many, many other stories that were equally important. No, yeah,
(24:12):
but but those those were those were stories that I enjoyed,
and I enjoyed doing this. Okay, one of the first
stories I did on Night Side. People won't remember it,
but there was a young man who had married. He
and his wife had a child, and they got life insurance,
and she contracted after they got the life insurance, a
(24:34):
horrific form of cancer from which he died. And they
had five hundred thousand dollars mutual life insurances. And a
lawyer in Boston from a big law firm said he
couldn't handle the case. Could I take it to the
court of public opinion. As it turned out, there was
a fellow who was the president of Savings Bank life insurance.
His name was Bob Sheridan. I met with Bob Sheridan.
(24:56):
He was appalled The way the law was written in
those days was if you were the survivor of a
spouse who died within two years of the assignment the
issuance of the life insurance policy, in order for you
to recover, you had to prove that your spouse who
(25:17):
died was not sick at the time. Well, that was
an impossible task. Bob Sheridan, God bless him. After I
met with him, he was the head of the Saving
Bank Life Insurance, which was a big life insurance company.
He went to the legislature and I must say, with
the help of Karen Spilker, this was seventeen eighteen years ago,
(25:40):
we changed the law in Massachusetts. So now the burden
of proof is on the life insurance company to prove
that there was some fraud involved. And that young husband,
who at that time had at a daughter who was
about a year old. She's now probably close to twenty.
He got the five hundred thousand dollars life insurance because
of Nightside. And I remember that when I signed my
(26:03):
first contract with the then general manager. Initially there was
some insurance. There was some advertising that was pulled from
the station. He says, how much money are going to
cost me today and I said to him, I said,
we're doing the right thing. And eventually, eventually SBLI Bob
Sheridan came around. He's a hero in my book because
(26:25):
he's straightened out the law in Massachusetts. When he went
up to the Sandels and says, change this law. And
I'm the head of SBLI in Massachusetts, there was a
tremendous victory. So I love doing this stuff. This is
what I live for. To be really honest with you,
I like doing the program because I can help people.
I had a woman called me the other day with
(26:46):
a problem dealing with her her cable television bill. I'm
not going to get into specifics, but I was able
to solve her problem. I can't solve everyone's problem, but
I have, you know, some contacts, and I can help people.
I like doing that. I don't want to go up
and run for some stupid office that that I no.
(27:09):
I'm happy with what I'm doing. But thank you Paul
for the honor of the mention. And I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Oh no problem, Dan, Well keep up the good work.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I promise, I will. I promise, I will. Okay, thank you.
Let me get let me gonna go next. I got
Joe and Belmont. Joe, I'm gonna get you in here
before the break. Go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
It is better to lay the candle than the curse
of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm with you. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
I'm ticked off.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Good Dan.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
I want your help. I want to organize a rally
like last Saturday to impeach governor Heally.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm not into Joe. I'm not interested in impeaching anyone.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
Uh yeah, well okay.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But I'm not. I'm just telling you the truth. You could.
You can organize your rally. You could organize your rally.
I'm just I'm honest, Joe. I'm not here to impede
Jenny One. I'm not here. I'm simply telling you that
I know what voters voted for in Massachusetts and their
will should be recognized. I'm not here in any way,
(28:10):
shape or form as a partisan or I wouldn't know.
I have no interest in anything like that. If you
want to do it, I say go ahead. I mean you,
this is a free country.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
You know what Mekle said, the ruler of Greece in
four point fifty BC. I wasn't alive and interest in politics.
Politics will take an interest in you.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's a good line. I like that absolutely. Yea. And
Lord Acton said power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely.
That was a head note that federal Judge Mark Wolfe
was very very fond of, and I'm very fond of him.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
And the state legislators in the state representatives and senators
and the governor a stab and the people in the back,
and the Globe and the Herald not doing anything about it.
They should be writing about it every day.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
No, I'll tell you this, No, the hell world has
written about it. The Globe tends tends not to take
take take on the power elite here in Massachusetts. They
If the Globe were to do an editorial on this,
I would commend the Globe fully. But the Herald, Joe
Dranell at the Herald, he's a pain in this. He's
a pain in the neck of a lot of the
(29:19):
legislators up there on Beacon Hill, trust me, and they
should be. We're a two newspaper town. We should have
two different points of view. But let me know about
your rally and uh and uh and and you can
you can publicize it, okay or not? Your rally or
your f well, yeah, you rally to impeach.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
Okay, always a pleasure, Dan, beg you, Joe talk soon.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Have a great night.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
I know.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
All right, we're gonna wrap this up on the other side,
Ken and Walton, Bob and Medford if any of you
want to get final word in real quickly, I'm changing
topics at eleven after the eleven o'clock news six one seven, six,
one seven, nine three one, ten thirty, we'll be right
back on night side.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're on night Side with Dan on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now back to the phones, would go, We're gonna go
next to Bob in Midford. Bob, I got you and
the one more at least, so you go right ahead, Bob.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
All right, Hi everybody, Uh listen, we got a sixty
billion dollar budget in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Sixty two to be exactly, go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
All right, I stand corrected, Daniel. Great, we can't follow
the money. They made it so that we can't follow
the money. Where is the money going? They won't tell us.
Talk about taxation without representation?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
Sure does that bring to mind King Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's that's a familiar theme.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Yes, Now we're forty percent of the people thirty eight
to forty percent of the people in Massachusetts I believe
voted Republican and we do not have one representative in Washington.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah. Well, first of all, that that's an overstatement. Donald
Trump got about I think thirty nine percent of the vote,
so you know, it wasn't forty eight. It was you know,
Trump had like thirty nine percent of the vote in Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Thirty nine. But still we should at least have like
somebody representing us out of thirty nine percent, didn't they
it would like be one should they all be Democrat?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, one of the one of the arguments in that
is that when you have such a weak Republican party
in Massachusetts, unless a good percentage of that thirty nine
percent is living in one congressional district, I mean that
that vote is spread across the states. So the Republicans lose,
you know, by sixty forty sixty two, thirty eight. I mean,
(31:42):
that's that's the reality. Oh, I mean, it's like, you.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
Know, that's that might be a jerryman doing things another night,
but yeah, the fact is that you can't brow the money.
It's like, is this not a law that we passed
that are they above this law that they you know, what.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
They're doing is that they're arguing some you know claim,
Well this is this would infringe upon the separation of powers. Well,
obviously it wouldn't infringe upon the separation of powers because
the auditor's purpose is to audit and there was a
law passed by voters ballot question, an initiative petition by
(32:24):
seventy two that she has the authority to audit the
state legislature. End of story.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
And the Attorney General is not gonna she will.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
She's performing No, she is a roadblock to the to
the state auditor. According to the state auditor, Welcome to Massachusetts, Massachusetts.
Corruption corrupts that absolute. Corruption corrupts absolutely.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
This is a law.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Nobody's running against us.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
She's not enforced in law.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
This is outrageous. This is our money that this man.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And then call your state rep. Call your state rep tomorrow,
call your state rep, your state center tomorrow, and just
warm them done.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
They're just like they don't care. They really don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh, they'll care what they hear from enough constituents, they'll
care greatly. Trust me. Okay, hey, Bob, I gotta run here.
Thank you so much for your passion we need in
this state. Well be part of the solution. And by
by being part of the solution, pick up the phone
among call you state Rep, and call you stay senator.
Until this audit occurs, you'll never have my vote again,
(33:30):
and I will vote for whoever's running against.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
You dixty billion dollars. Do you think there's anything that
they want to hide?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You got it? I'm with you totally. Thank you, Bob,
appreciate your call. Let me go to Ken and wal Damn. Ken,
you're gonna wrap the hour for us, Go right ahead, Ken.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah, I think also the audit doesn't have any teeth, right,
it would just expose what's going on. I can't demand
the state legislature or do anything, so I don't. I
don't see how it's a violation of powers. But let's
get it than the court, right. And Yeah, the other
I wanted to poke a little bit at how maybe
some of us Democrats think our state legislators are is
(34:10):
acting how we complain about the Trump administration with the
no Kings.
Speaker 11 (34:14):
And I kind of I kind of have always thought
of this as kind of the Epstein files.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Right now that you know the Republicans know what's in them.
They don't want anyone to see them. In the state
legislature in Massachusetts, it is like the same thing.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
But it sounded like a previous caller had suggested to
the Madame Monitor that she start going into the personal
files maybe of some of the people who opposed you know,
what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And you heard my I think you heard my reaction
to that.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, yeah, I mean what I heard was that she
couldn't do it. And what I was hoping to hear
is that even if she could, she wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. No, that's not her job. She just not that's
not her job. Yeah, well, I mean that, And I'm
with you totally, Ken And I said that that I
interrupted the caller, and then she jumped on she has
no interest in doing that. She just wants to do
her job, that's all. And she's a Democrat, she's a
progressive Democrat.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm with you. I you know, I voted I thought
to me she she kind of sounded like an opportunist
when she was running. No, I voted against her in
the primary. I don't remember who I voted for in
the general election. I am so she has proved me
so long. I mean, I just think she's totally on
the side of the people, and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And she she had she had a rough time. She
worked in the legislature, and she had a rough time, uh,
dealing with some of those members of the great in
general Court, if you get my drift. And then when
she was elected, she was looked down upon. And and
then when she was elected to the House and then
to the Senate, she was always an outsider, uh. And
(35:52):
they she basically forged her will was forged uh in
in in a in a in a factory of steely
eyed looks and looks of disdain. She was not respected,
and now they're fearful of her. Simple So.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
You know, I know it's about what she's doing now.
And maybe twenty thirty two, twenty thirty six, I hope
we live long enough to see her.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
In the Governor's office someday.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
It would be great. You and I would join you
and I would vote the same on that one. JN.
I love your calls, man. I wish you called earlier,
but I'm up against the eleven.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
And we are going to sea with Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
My pleasure, min Thank you. Thank you, And you and
I are not necessarily an agreement and everything, it doesn't matter,
but we're both civil with each other and that's what
this show's all about. Thanks again, appreciate it. We will
be back right after the eleven and I want to celebrate.
And I don't care who you give credit to. It
doesn't really matter to me or what you give credit to.
(36:52):
Gas prices are down and that's good for all of us.
Can we at least recognize that back on Night's side
after the eleven o'clock news
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