July 21, 2025 • 40 mins
By now, most of the known world or at least anyone not living under a rock, knows who the “Coldplay Couple” is, that was outed at a Coldplay concert for having an affair after getting caught on the jumbotron with their arms wrapped around each other. The last thing Astronomer CEO Andy Bryon and Kristin Cabot, Astronomer’s Chief of HR, probably ever thought, would be that for one, their love affair would be laid bare for the world to see and two, that it would be turned into such a viral sensation via memes and reenactments. While the two were morally in the wrong, do you think they are entitled to privacy? Did their lives deserve to be so publicly outed the way they were?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio, and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He still is. Kyle Brock, Kyle, thank you very much.
Walk off Catcher's interference. You know, you go to a
ball game, you see something new every day. I've never
seen that before. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, here's what we're doing tonight.
First of all, a couple of things. One, I did
have a text from someone, a message, and I guess
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I'm not going to mention your name because obviously issues.
Thank you for listening, and again, I don't have any
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the power of the signal, please let Rob know or
feel free to call. The other point that I'd like
to mention is that here on Nightside we try to
do different topics. Okay, I know that last hour one
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of the callers, Jeff from Abington, was upset that we
weren't doing a story that he wanted us to do. Well.
The problem, folks, is that there's a lot of you
out there, all of you want different stories done. We
try to hit as wide a variety of topics as possible.
It's not easy, and it's also difficult to come up
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with topics that will interest new listeners. Okay, so this
is one that I firmly believe in. By the way,
this is not one of those subjects that I said, oh,
let's give it a shot. No, I firmly believe that
there's a there's something about our society and about our
culture that is that is at risk here that this
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couple obviously found themselves in a compromising position in which
they put themselves. No question, we're talking about the Coldplay
couple who were canoodling at the concert. Okay, I don't
know either one of them. I had never heard of
the company that Andy Byron was in the CEO of
called Astronomer. No idea what that company is never heard of.
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His HR chief Christen Cabot. Bottom line is that they
were caught on a you know, the equivalent of the ballpark,
you know, the kiss camera or whatever like that. You
see him at Celtics games they find the kids or
at Bruins games who are doing the craziest dancers and
you know everybody. You know a lot of people love
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to be on camera. When they realize they are on camera,
they go crazy. That's part of our culture, okay. And
when you're a thirteen year old kid or an eight
year old kid out of Bruins or a Celtics game
and you look up on the JumboTron and wow, there's
my picture. Okay. But most adults like their privacy when
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they go to a sporting event. These folks, obviously, if
they had simply held their position for three or four seconds,
it would have gone on to another person or persons.
They had this you know, consciousness of guilt. The woman
put up her hands over her face to hide her
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face too late, and the guy was like diving down
and that became, you know, a point of derision and
contempt because of whatever they were afraid of. Now again
I don't know them. You can draw whatever conclusions you want.
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It's fair game. But the problem is this was these
are not public figures. They happen to have made the
mistake of going to this Coldplay concert. And I don't know.
It could be theoretically that they were both Coldplay fans
and they had told their spouses and they're all wonderful
friends and family. I don't know. I don't know. It
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doesn't look like that. But the fact of the matter
is everybody piles on. And I mentioned in the last
hour the biblical story where where a woman is about
to be stone from being a prostitute in the New Testament,
and I'm not a Biblical scholar, so and Jesus is
there and he basically basically says to the crowd led,
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he who was without sand cast the first stone, okay.
And as the gospel story goes, people solely but surely
filtered away, and then he told the prostitute to go
and say no more or whatever. Okay. Now, again, we
don't quote Bible stories much in this program, but that
one really does work here in my opinion. So I'd
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like to get your take on it. It's it's it
is not. I don't know what they were doing, okay,
and it's not my responsibility to divine or figure out
what they were doing. I have my own opinion. That's
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my opinion. I'm not casting judgment on someone else. But
there's something about our society now with the phones and
the apps and the ability to get the hits, as
Laurie said, the likes and the dislikes or the likes,
to get it out there without any consequence of what
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it means to this cup, to these two human beings,
what it means to their families. Again, who knows where
this is going to take them. He's resigned from his position.
I still think back to Clinton and Lewinsky in the
late nineteen nineties. It was just sex. That's all it was.
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There was no question. It was a little more of
than canooning in the Oval office. Okay. And look, my
attitude at the time was it had nothing to do
with the activity. It had to do everything with the relationship.
Clinton was the President of the United States, she was
an intern, she was starstruck. Okay. As I said, at
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the time, what was going on between Bill and Hillary
Clinton and their marriage None of my business, None of
your business. Frankly, Okay, that's between Hillary and Bill Clinton
and maybe their daughter Chelsea. Simple as that, Simple as that.
If he had been upstairs in the Lincoln bedroom with
Sharon Stone or any of the other you know, beautiful
Hollywood starlets who who supported his campaigns, that's different. Intern
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in the office. That's a problem. That's a problem. So
I'm just opening up here. It's a different type of
topic on a Monday night. If you expect to listen
to Nightside and hear the same topics night after night
after night after night, that's not what the show is
all about. If if you want a show that's going
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to challenge you and maybe make you think and have
you reconsider what your original thought on something is, that's
what we're trying to do on Nightside. So I'm gonna
take a break one line at six one seven thirty,
one line at six one seven nine. And if you
want to be like Jeff and criticize me for not
doing the one single story that you wanted done today,
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We'll do some more open lines give you, give you
a more of an opportunit unity to do that. If,
on the other hand, you think I'm way off base here,
and that I should be on the bandwagon criticizing the
Coldplay couple who were caught canoodling at the concert. How
about that for a literation. Huh, feel free, you can
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bring it on, let's have at it. I thought that
my guest last Hour, if you get a chance to
read his article, Matthew Gasta interesting. He's a playwright, he's
written a book, he's a novelist, and he writes for
this website called Unheard, which I'm going to read more
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of because I think that it's kind of a countercultural
website where it encourages people to look at issues differently.
And that's what I'm trying to make you do as well,
to think, not to follow the crowd. Okay, it's better
to be your own thinker. As a TV reporter, I
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hated the days when I had to go to the
desk and I had not come up with a story
idea on my own and I had to accept an
assignment from the desk. I wanted to break a story.
I wanted to be ahead of the pack. I prefer
to be away from the pack. Most people want to
be with the pack because when you're with the pack,
it's a safe, it's a safe mechanism. If you're wrong,
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well most other people were wrong too. That's not the
way I played it as a reporter. That's not the
way I want to play it as a talk show host.
Back on Nightside, Let's open these phone lines up, light
them up. Let's have some fun with this and make
each other think. That's what the show is about. Coming
back on Nightside. Stay right there. Chris is up next,
Emma and Eileen, and we got some room for you
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back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Let's get right to the call. It's going to go
to Chris and beavity. Chris, thanks for calling in. We're
talking about the canoodleing couple at jo Let's Stadium. Go
right ahead, Chris, your.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thoughts well and right on board with you with this.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I think the story and the actual culture in deserves
this conversation because I have been on the finding out
in or something like that many decades ago, and so
it's amazing how people will come together and to point
their fingers and they all try to come across this
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goody two shoes saying, oh look at this and that
that's happened, and when the reality is there are ten
seconds on this part when it happened to me the
woman at the time I was seeing. We went to
a place where everybody was and I was. I started
the top of the stairs and I said, hey, everybody here,
anyone has never made a mistake of that nature. Keep talking.
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The place got silent. I said, that's what I thought,
and I walked away with her hand in mind. People
were human. You make mistakes because people will manipulate things.
As a culture, we need to look at this and say,
wait a minute, this disorb this story deserves the attention
because we are doing something that we're looking at the
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joy of other deies and that needs to be altered.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, it's again for me, it would have been different
if it was Let us say, I don't know, I'm
not big on all these different superstars, but let's assume
that Brad Pitt was married, and I guess he's no
longer married to Angelina Jolie. But if I'm not mistaken, correct, correct? Okay,
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So let's assume that when they were married and they
were close to breaking up, brad Pitt was seen squiring
someone else, some other Hollywood Starlett around town. They're public figures,
and a lot of that I think was done to
generate publicity. So I would look at that very differently
than this. Do you disagree that too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm sorry, this is a private couple.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you you said you were in
a similar situation. Uh, so, okay, did you develop a
long term relationship with the woman who you walked away
with hand in hand or no?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
You were already in the long term so at that
point there instead of her and I had our own
issues to handle, you to figure it out. Everybody else
is talking that knew about it. I was the last
one to find out. Oh, and said, hey, if anybody here,
like I said, if you haven't done anything to you talking,
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and they all go and I walked away And because
it's none of their business. And did you and you
can't best judgment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Chris without prying too much. Did you and the lady
you walked away with? Did you guys stay together? Have
you stayed friends?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
We did until she passed away?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay, okay, but anyway, that's fine. It's just simply it
was about everybody seems to enjoy the demise of another
because it takes but.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
There's a lot of that in our society. Yeah, And
it's it's almost it's not enough for us to win.
We want the other person to lose. Do you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's it's and if they're juisty to something themselves, it
takes the focus off of them.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I guess, I guess, Chris, great call. Thank you so much.
You're one of the best calls of the night as
far as I'm concerned. We talk so and I do
appreciate people's support and I appreciate people's criticism. Who are
we going to go to next? Let me go to
I Lean, I Lean, welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Oh? I'm fine, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I am Oh.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Would very much like to read more of what Matthew
Gasta has written. And I thought this was a very
interesting topic, and I'm glad that you brought it up
for discussion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let me read his paragraph to you and get your
response to it. Okay, ok. Gazda is a fairly young guy.
He went to Syracuse and he's in his mid thirties
and he's a playwright in New York. As a matter
of fact, I talked to him today and he was
doing a rehearsal for a play. But anyway, he wrote,
as I say, I wish I didn't know who they are.
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And that's because any of us might, for any particular
reason become Andy Byron or Kristen Cabot. That's the Canudlean couple.
Flawed people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Anybody can make a bad but irrelevant to the rest
of us mistake on camera and face personally destruction. What
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such episodes reveal is a pathology in the social body
and a desperate need for a new ethic of privacy.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
That's very nice, Yes, I I definitely want to read
more of what he has to say. He was speaking
so quickly, I couldn't catch a lot of what he said.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, he was on the phone. That wasn't great. But
as I say, it is a website, which is it's
kind of funny. It's a it's a double on tundra
play on words unheard h D and it's I think one.
It's it's points of view that have not been heard.
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But it also means, uh, it tends to be going
against the train of thought or the herd if you will,
the herd mentality.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah, very clever, Yeah, very clever.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And apparently there's a physical place in England where I
guess a lot of these writers gather, and now it's
kind of spreading worldwide. So yeah, this there's this sub
stack and Unheard and they're kind of similar and their
their venues were where I guess anyone can post. So
(16:23):
I'm sure you find it if you just google unheard
dot com. You did find it. Okay, great, I'm not
good at finding stuff. I leen to be honest with
yourself and that's what you're okay, all right, great to
hear your boys.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
All right, Well, thank you for the for the topic.
I think it was excellent and thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
A little different, a little different. We try to keep
it fresh, keep it fresh, okay, Thanks, Okay, thanks Dan, talk,
have a great night. Yeah, I'm not going to get
one more in here before the break. We're going to
go go go to Emma in Detum. Hi, Emma, how
are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Pretty good?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm doing great? Love to know what your take is. Again,
you don't have to agree with me. I just want
people to think about this one. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I totally agree with you, and actually I'm very concerned
about how this has blown up because I obviously, we
have so much in the world. We have wars, we
have illness, murders, drugs, viruses, whatever, and people are obsessed
with the hate surrounding this and other we'd hating on
these people that they don't even know. We've got so
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many other concerns just in our country alone. I mean,
there's so many things to be you know, concerned and
up and arms about, and these people are ganging off
on a couple they don't even know. It's not our business.
I'm blown away by this.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It went viral quickly, and I think everybody has has
seen it, and I you, you have said it better
than I have said it, to be honest with him,
And I'm embarrassed to say that that you have just
put it out there. You you, these people, what whatever
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they were doing, has no relevance to us. Uh. It
has relevance to their spouses, if they were doing what
some suspect they were doing. It has relevance to their
families and their and their friends, and maybe has relevance
to their company. But uh, but it's it's like it's
almost as if people enjoy seeing other people suffer. I'm
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sure that that yeah, that these people are suffering right
now for a stupid mistake. Okay, obviously you know they
if they know now, if you find out that they have,
you're both fessed up to their their spouses ahead of
time and said, hey, you know, we're kind of you know,
and we're honest about it that you have to look
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at you. But we don't know, No, we don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
We don't know the people. We have no idea who
these people are. And obviously they're they're paying the price privately,
but it is a private manner. It's like, you know,
it's between them and their families and everybody else. And
what I'm what really blew my mind is to hate
thats out there and people just waiting for something to
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hate on them. And that's what I'm saying with some
of the court cases and some of the other things,
like on Facebook on those pages, who's yelling at this
one and that one was guilty innocent? This is why
blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Well I think I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'd be interested if you see any similarity. When I
think about the guy that shot the corporate executive in
the back last December, Luigi Mangioni and you know, a
cowardly at number one. If if he went up to
the guy and punched him in the face, you know,
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if he didn't sucker punch him, you'd say, well, at
least he had the coverage to you know, to confront
the guy, but to shoot him in the back. And
yet Luigi Angioni had. I guess he's got a coterie
of people that support him.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Oh, he's like a hero. It's amazing.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
People are like, yeah, they're like, oh my god, you know,
justice for Luigi and all. And I'm like, and then
you see something like this. These are people that I know.
You know, I'm not saying it's wrong or it's right.
I'm not it's not my business to judge. But they
have not committed like a crime. You know, as far
as you know, we're concerned. It doesn't affect our lives.
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And there people are jumping on like they're obsessed. It's
crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well know, this never would have happened, You'll say, thirty
or forty years ago, you know, pre internet, in those days.
And again I'm old enough to remember those days a
little bit. It was like, you know, is Liz Taylor
and Richard Burton, Are they really a couple again, all
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that sort of stuff, even more recently, as they said,
you know, you know then you know Prince Charles now
King Charles and and Princess Diana and what's the relationship
and but but again those are all people who are
out in the public spotlight and put themselves in those circumstances.
These people didn't go to this concert saying it'll be
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great if we get up on the jumbo.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Tron and right exactly, And like I'm just saying, if
they were like in a position of say government or
like a health a public health officer, I mean, just
someone you know, I mean somebody that you know you're
supposed to look up. You know, well, President you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Remember, are you old enough to remember the Clinton Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean I was not upset by his behavior. His
behavior is between him and his wife. And and as
I said, if he was upstairs and the Lincoln bedroom
covoting with Sharon Stone, that's an intern, right, And you're
the most powerful person in the world. This guy's the
CEO of a company who you know, theoretically, in the
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minds of many people, is involved in some sort of
an extra friendship with a special friendship. Well, we'll use
some euphemisms here with the human resource person, and probably
they're both going to lose their jobs for lack of judgment.
But the Clinton thing, there were people it's just about sacks. No,
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it wasn't. It was about positions of authority and.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Power in my right right and this envy. I think
there's envy out there that these people have those jobs,
and they're like, oh, dare they these people who have
these great jobs making this great money and all this
other stuff and have all these whatever. And I think
that's part of the to like a lot of people
wish they had those types of jobs, and that's like
a hate towards like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Today, I wouldn't mind being a CEO of some big company,
and I'm sure you wouldn't mind being a CEO of company.
But at the same time, I'm not going to look
at these people in their moment of embarrassment and crisis
and take joy. Somehow, My life has enough joy that
I don't need to take joy from the problems that
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other people are trying to deal with, whether they're made
exactly they made the problems themselves or they were victimized
one or the other. I love your calls. You got
to keep calling more often.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Okay, thank you, I will.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Thanks Emma, talk some and have a great night. Well,
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Thanks Kyle, appreciate it. Let me go next to Delaware.
We occasionally get calls from Delaware, not as often as
I would like. Josie is in Delaware. Hi, Josie, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Dan, I'm good. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I can hear you just perfectly?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, oh perfect.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
So I've met Matthew a few times. That's why I
called in. He posted that he was doing this so
and I've never called into a talk radio before, so
it seems well.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, first of all, we've got to give you a
lot of applause from our digital studio audience. Okay, I
hope you become a regular night Side listener. Josie. What
do you do downe in Delaware?
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Yes, I'm hoped. I'm in fundraising. I work for an
educational nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's what we call development, right, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I'm always developing, always closing.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Good for you, Good for you. I have a lot
of friends who are involved in in charitable organizations and
what's called development. So yeah, that's great.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
Great.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Are you a graduate of Are you a graduate of
the University of Delaware?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No?
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Actually, I'm actually from Seattle. I'm from the West coast,
but just here for work.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay. The reason I know that is I think the
University of Delaway has the strangest nickname. They are the
Blue Hens, as I'm sure you know.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
They're not.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
It's not very threatening, it is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It is. You know, when you like the lions and
the bears, you say, we got to be concerned, but
the blue Hens, they're going to be an easy game. Well, look,
thank you. Love to know what your take is. If
you're if you follow Matthew, you probably have read the
piece before before you heard us talk about it tonight.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
I did read it, and it's great that you chose
this topic. I obviously think that, you know, weaponizing shame
and this mob like fashion is wrong, like the internet
is ruthless and the punishment doesn't fit the crime. But
I am curious kind of like your thoughts and perhaps
some of your other listeners thoughts, like in a civilized society,
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like what is our role? Like is it permissible to
call out adultery? Because like marriage at least in an
old school way, like is a public good. And so
these people, you know, if they're married to other people
and they have kids, like, they are creating kind of
a mess by cheating, whether they're in a leadership capacity
or not. And so my question is basically, like, is
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there a way in our hyper ruthless internet world to
point out that something that that something is wrong or
should be like because we're strangers and we don't know them,
like just completely ignore the problem and leave it to
like people who know them better. Because I'm certainly not perfect.
So I totally don't agree with the public nature of
the call out. I just think we have gotten sometimes
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to a point in our society where it's like, well,
I don't know them, I don't want to have any
Like There's a balance, right, There has to be a balance,
because you can't just forever be turning away to like
things that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, you know, I can only speak for myself, and yeah,
my attitude on it is there's a lot of collateral
damage here, Okay. Yeah, and they obviously now you know,
I'm a lawyer by training, so you give people the
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benefit of the doubt and the presumption of innocence, so
it might have been that it was a harmless entanglement.
It certainly looked like a ca noodling of some sort,
and their reaction probably raised a lot of And I
think the lead guy of Coldplay was a named Chris Martin.
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I think, if I'm not mistaken, he said something. He
said something like, well, you know, either they're having an
affair or they're really shy.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
But yeah, So my amitat is if, as I said,
if they were public figures beforehand, if it was you know,
Tom Brady up there with I don't know, is it
Sarah Sweeney? Is that the new hot actress Sidney Sweeney.
(29:09):
If it was Tom Brady up there with Sidney Sweeney,
I think that's fair play, okay, because they are public figures.
I think that he was. There was some comments that
he and Sidney were dancing together at the Jeff Bezos
wedding celebration in Italy last week. You know, that's that
like kind of washes over us. But these people before
(29:34):
the event were private individuals, and who cares? And it
almost becomes for me it's like who cares?
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Yeah, I don't I agree with you? In the like
they shouldn't have the Internet mob. You know, we live
in the society where like the Internet mob is attacking
and that's horrible. Like but that side, I maybe that
doesn't make sense to go there because like this whole
conversation is about the Internet mob. But I just think,
(30:06):
like I don't know, like I like it when people
have like courage of their convictions. I guess what I'm
saying is like if I was doing something really wrong,
I would hope that, you know, the people around me
would would call it out. And maybe we've It's like weird,
it's this paradox. It's like we've softened on the individual,
like you know, your family calling you out or your
(30:28):
coworkers around you calling you out, and then we've moved
to this like hyper parasocial like people who don't know
you will call you out and ruin your life, but
those closest to you, like I mean, I don't know
what their story is, obviously, but like I've seen that
in my own life where it's like nobody wants to
judge at all in like their circles close to them,
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but then they're perfectly fine judging, which is like maybe
when you need it you know, maybe you need your
friends to call you out or your family. Well, sure,
I mean, well doing it on the internet, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
No, if you and I were friends and you knew
that I had a drinking problem, and that every night
that we went out, either as a couple or with
a group, I was getting blatto drunk every night. Right,
if you were a real friend of mine, first of all,
you wouldn't let me drive home number one but number.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Two at some point the keys, yeah, right right, Or
or you take me aside and say, hey, you know,
what I think you're drinking is getting a little out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, there are individuals who have what's called interventions.
I know a former a couple of former pro baseball
players who literally had an intervention with a former teammate.
Well known pro athletes who were very everybody was a
(31:56):
good guy, but one guy was kind of slipping and
slide away, and they literally went and they flew. They
were retired at that point, actually, and they thought enough
of their former teammate to go and and have an intervention.
And he was he was drinking much more than he
should have. So, yeah, I'm with you. That's the individual
(32:19):
responsibility to and it takes some courage. If I were
to say to you, Josie, you know, you know your
behavior the other night at the bar, you're gonna get
yourself in trouble here or whatever. You know, just cool it.
A little bit takes courage because you could say to me, Hey,
it's none of your business, stupid, leave me alone. Yeah,
but it's easy when I'm sitting behind my anonymous keyboard.
(32:41):
I'm a keyboard warrior. I can get on there and
say whatever I want, you know. Yeah, Josie, I loved
your call. I hope you'll continue to listen. Our signal
booms into Delaware. I assume you're probably listening to the
iHeart app.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Maybe yeah, it's just on my computer, but yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Can get us on your radio over the We have
a big, powerful WBC in Boston ten thirty am. But
clear get us wherever you can, and I hope you
become a regular listener.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yeah, thanks so much particular my call.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Thank you for calling. I really do appreciate the best
of luck with them with fundraising. I'm sure you're doing
some great work for a great charity. Thank you so
much to talk to you again. Thanks Josie, good night.
Well take a break, coming right back on nightside. I
got a couple of lines. I don't even want to
give the numbers. You guys know the numbers. I'm not
going to waste my time. If you want to join us,
feel free. If not, that's okay. I got I got
(33:33):
Christine and Jim coming up, but I'd love to get
a couple more movie right back on Nightside. I have
enjoyed this and I'm delighted with the calls we have gotten.
I wanted more, to be honest with you, but I'm
delighted with those who have had the courage to call.
This is a tough subject. Josie was an excellent caller
(33:53):
back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It's night Side with Boston's News.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Ready. We will try to get everyone in, Yes we will,
starting with Christine and Denim. Christine, We've got a lot
of women callers tonight. Welcome and thank you.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Then I agree with you. You know when you go
for it like a job, and like they had to
take pictures that they asked your permission, like you know
you have to sign something or a video? Yeah why why?
Like that's not be allowed. It's an invasion of you
have privacy. This it's not it's not fair, it's not right.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So you mean, like if you have to get a
picture for an employee, I d you mean something like that?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Yeah, like they are a video, Yes, you have to
have permission, like, but with these cams, I mean, it's
not it's not right. It's an invasion of privacy.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Well, they may say that if you got if you've
got to work in a building and you're going to
work for you know, some company, X y Z company
that they want to know who you are.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
I mean when I worked at W I'm saying that
the content of baseball games like kissing, that's oh, I.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
See what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is
kind of an invasion in privacy.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
You're right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I had not thought of that, but it is. You
go to the concert, you don't expect to be on
the jumbo trill and you expect to go to the
concert and watch the band or watch the game on
the jumbo troll. Right, But people seem to like that's
a great point. I wish I thought of that one earlier. Christine,
you got me, that's a good one.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Yeah, that that's to me, that that's that couldn't be allowed.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, yeah, it should be go to go to the game,
uh and enjoy the game period and not focus on individuals.
They do that the whole thing with the kiss cam.
I mean, you could go to a game with a
with a first time date with somebody, and all of
a sudden, you're sitting there and you and you're the
(35:57):
person who you're with, uh, and and you don't know them,
You're uncomfortable, and it's almost you know, you got to
kiss them to be because you're on the kiss caamp.
I mean four, Yeah, you got it. Great point, great point, Christine.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Thanks, Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
All right, right, let me get I'm gonna get Jim
in here. Jim. I want to get you in here
quickly for and you and a couple more go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Thanks Dan for getting me in quickly. Well, I don't
think you have any expectation of privacy when you're in
a public venue with ten thousand other people.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think technically you're correct.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
Yes, I cast if they if they broadcasted it outside
of the venue, there might be a violation of FCC
rules if there was a protrusion. But what I what
I have to say is is this, and another good
example this was not covered under law. But another good
example of this is when they released health information about
(36:54):
a former president, our most recent former president. I've told
you before how I felt about that administration, and if
I never heard another word about him, it would be
too soon. So when I heard health information about him,
it was a violation of my rights under HIPPA. I
don't care about his rights under HIPPA. I don't want
(37:16):
to know about other people's health information. I don't want
to I don't want to know about it.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Well, again, this hipper.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Writs him, I know what you're saying, But the hippo
writes apply to you and to me, and they apply
also to a former president. I think that we're going
to open that conversation up, and we open up that
can of worms. Then I will be here at three
o'clock and you know, and I'll be talking to each
other alone.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
But but but you see what I'm saying. Well, I mean,
I understand that the patient has rights under HIPPA, but
what about other people? Don't I have a right to
be protected from his information.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, wo't want to know, not, No, I know. Unfortunately,
you're not. If if let's say there's a shooting night
in Kansas City and a police officer is badly wounded
or whatever, that's going to be part of the story.
There's a police officer shot and he suffered a gunshot wound.
I mean, they were talking about the guy in New
York who was shot last I guess it was Saturday night,
(38:16):
Sunday night, shot in the face. He's a n ice officer.
So yeah, you don't. Hey, Jim, I gotta get in here. Okay,
thank you much, keep going, let's go. Where can we
go quickly? Okay? Dave in Pennsylvania, Dave, can you be
quick for me please?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah. Sure, we're looking at this a little bit wrong
because how many years ago it was mister Clinton there
and we're still talking about it. And Clinton was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
A different situation. Clinton was was the command the chief,
you know, the chief of the White House, the commander
in chief, the President of the United States. Fooling around
with an in turn, that becomes a question of position
of authority, et cetera. That's a little different, and but
that one kind of got pushed aside.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, we're still talking about it though.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well I'm talking about in the context of this, that
Bill Clinton as the President of the United States with
an intern That's a subject that I think is a
legitimate conversation. These couple, who you and I had never
heard of until a week ago, I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Think is yeah, but we can't go too many other places.
We can't go for gas without it and then taking
a picture of it. We can't go we can't go
to a big box stool without them, you know, watching
us go in the restroom. You know, we can't go
anywhere without pictures being taken anymore. It shouldn't surprise us.
(39:42):
But what bothers me the most damn is that we're
consumed about this couple and not not about ourselves right now.
We should be thinking about our shelves and society and
what's it doing to.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I agree with you, I agree, I agree with that,
But Dave, you got to call earlier to give you
it more time. But I'm flat out of time right now.
And as a matter of fact, Brent and Tim, I apologize,
we have run out of time. All dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie ray Is,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's where all
your pets are past. They loved you, you love that.
I do believe you'll see them again. A great job, Rob,
(40:16):
great job, Marita. Have a great Tuesday everyone. We'll see
you tomorrow night. I'll see you on Facebook. Nice that
with Dan Ryan in a couple of minutes
It's night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio, and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He still is. Kyle Brock, Kyle, thank you very much.
Walk off Catcher's interference. You know, you go to a
ball game, you see something new every day. I've never
seen that before. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, here's what we're doing tonight.
First of all, a couple of things. One, I did
have a text from someone, a message, and I guess
(00:27):
it was an email actually, from someone who wanted to
know why my voice is fading in, fades out and
back again throughout the broadcast. If any of you are
hearing what this emailer suggested, please let me know. Rob
says that the all the instruments in the control room
(00:50):
look correct. It doesn't sound different to Rob, So doctor who,
I'm not going to mention your name because obviously issues.
Thank you for listening, and again, I don't have any
answer if there's anyone else out there who is having
problems hearing the show and is hearing my voice go
(01:11):
up and down. Obviously I can get a little more
excited at different times, but in terms of the signal,
the power of the signal, please let Rob know or
feel free to call. The other point that I'd like
to mention is that here on Nightside we try to
do different topics. Okay, I know that last hour one
(01:32):
of the callers, Jeff from Abington, was upset that we
weren't doing a story that he wanted us to do. Well.
The problem, folks, is that there's a lot of you
out there, all of you want different stories done. We
try to hit as wide a variety of topics as possible.
It's not easy, and it's also difficult to come up
(01:54):
with topics that will interest new listeners. Okay, so this
is one that I firmly believe in. By the way,
this is not one of those subjects that I said, oh,
let's give it a shot. No, I firmly believe that
there's a there's something about our society and about our
culture that is that is at risk here that this
(02:18):
couple obviously found themselves in a compromising position in which
they put themselves. No question, we're talking about the Coldplay
couple who were canoodling at the concert. Okay, I don't
know either one of them. I had never heard of
the company that Andy Byron was in the CEO of
called Astronomer. No idea what that company is never heard of.
(02:41):
His HR chief Christen Cabot. Bottom line is that they
were caught on a you know, the equivalent of the ballpark,
you know, the kiss camera or whatever like that. You
see him at Celtics games they find the kids or
at Bruins games who are doing the craziest dancers and
you know everybody. You know a lot of people love
(03:03):
to be on camera. When they realize they are on camera,
they go crazy. That's part of our culture, okay. And
when you're a thirteen year old kid or an eight
year old kid out of Bruins or a Celtics game
and you look up on the JumboTron and wow, there's
my picture. Okay. But most adults like their privacy when
(03:23):
they go to a sporting event. These folks, obviously, if
they had simply held their position for three or four seconds,
it would have gone on to another person or persons.
They had this you know, consciousness of guilt. The woman
put up her hands over her face to hide her
(03:45):
face too late, and the guy was like diving down
and that became, you know, a point of derision and
contempt because of whatever they were afraid of. Now again
I don't know them. You can draw whatever conclusions you want.
(04:06):
It's fair game. But the problem is this was these
are not public figures. They happen to have made the
mistake of going to this Coldplay concert. And I don't know.
It could be theoretically that they were both Coldplay fans
and they had told their spouses and they're all wonderful
friends and family. I don't know. I don't know. It
(04:27):
doesn't look like that. But the fact of the matter
is everybody piles on. And I mentioned in the last
hour the biblical story where where a woman is about
to be stone from being a prostitute in the New Testament,
and I'm not a Biblical scholar, so and Jesus is
there and he basically basically says to the crowd led,
(04:51):
he who was without sand cast the first stone, okay.
And as the gospel story goes, people solely but surely
filtered away, and then he told the prostitute to go
and say no more or whatever. Okay. Now, again, we
don't quote Bible stories much in this program, but that
one really does work here in my opinion. So I'd
(05:15):
like to get your take on it. It's it's it
is not. I don't know what they were doing, okay,
and it's not my responsibility to divine or figure out
what they were doing. I have my own opinion. That's
(05:36):
my opinion. I'm not casting judgment on someone else. But
there's something about our society now with the phones and
the apps and the ability to get the hits, as
Laurie said, the likes and the dislikes or the likes,
to get it out there without any consequence of what
(05:58):
it means to this cup, to these two human beings,
what it means to their families. Again, who knows where
this is going to take them. He's resigned from his position.
I still think back to Clinton and Lewinsky in the
late nineteen nineties. It was just sex. That's all it was.
(06:22):
There was no question. It was a little more of
than canooning in the Oval office. Okay. And look, my
attitude at the time was it had nothing to do
with the activity. It had to do everything with the relationship.
Clinton was the President of the United States, she was
an intern, she was starstruck. Okay. As I said, at
(06:45):
the time, what was going on between Bill and Hillary
Clinton and their marriage None of my business, None of
your business. Frankly, Okay, that's between Hillary and Bill Clinton
and maybe their daughter Chelsea. Simple as that, Simple as that.
If he had been upstairs in the Lincoln bedroom with
Sharon Stone or any of the other you know, beautiful
Hollywood starlets who who supported his campaigns, that's different. Intern
(07:12):
in the office. That's a problem. That's a problem. So
I'm just opening up here. It's a different type of
topic on a Monday night. If you expect to listen
to Nightside and hear the same topics night after night
after night after night, that's not what the show is
all about. If if you want a show that's going
(07:33):
to challenge you and maybe make you think and have
you reconsider what your original thought on something is, that's
what we're trying to do on Nightside. So I'm gonna
take a break one line at six one seven thirty,
one line at six one seven nine. And if you
want to be like Jeff and criticize me for not
doing the one single story that you wanted done today,
(07:56):
We'll do some more open lines give you, give you
a more of an opportunit unity to do that. If,
on the other hand, you think I'm way off base here,
and that I should be on the bandwagon criticizing the
Coldplay couple who were caught canoodling at the concert. How
about that for a literation. Huh, feel free, you can
(08:19):
bring it on, let's have at it. I thought that
my guest last Hour, if you get a chance to
read his article, Matthew Gasta interesting. He's a playwright, he's
written a book, he's a novelist, and he writes for
this website called Unheard, which I'm going to read more
(08:41):
of because I think that it's kind of a countercultural
website where it encourages people to look at issues differently.
And that's what I'm trying to make you do as well,
to think, not to follow the crowd. Okay, it's better
to be your own thinker. As a TV reporter, I
(09:02):
hated the days when I had to go to the
desk and I had not come up with a story
idea on my own and I had to accept an
assignment from the desk. I wanted to break a story.
I wanted to be ahead of the pack. I prefer
to be away from the pack. Most people want to
be with the pack because when you're with the pack,
it's a safe, it's a safe mechanism. If you're wrong,
(09:22):
well most other people were wrong too. That's not the
way I played it as a reporter. That's not the
way I want to play it as a talk show host.
Back on Nightside, Let's open these phone lines up, light
them up. Let's have some fun with this and make
each other think. That's what the show is about. Coming
back on Nightside. Stay right there. Chris is up next,
Emma and Eileen, and we got some room for you
(09:44):
back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Let's get right to the call. It's going to go
to Chris and beavity. Chris, thanks for calling in. We're
talking about the canoodleing couple at jo Let's Stadium. Go
right ahead, Chris, your.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thoughts well and right on board with you with this.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I think the story and the actual culture in deserves
this conversation because I have been on the finding out
in or something like that many decades ago, and so
it's amazing how people will come together and to point
their fingers and they all try to come across this
(10:27):
goody two shoes saying, oh look at this and that
that's happened, and when the reality is there are ten
seconds on this part when it happened to me the
woman at the time I was seeing. We went to
a place where everybody was and I was. I started
the top of the stairs and I said, hey, everybody here,
anyone has never made a mistake of that nature. Keep talking.
(10:50):
The place got silent. I said, that's what I thought,
and I walked away with her hand in mind. People
were human. You make mistakes because people will manipulate things.
As a culture, we need to look at this and say,
wait a minute, this disorb this story deserves the attention
because we are doing something that we're looking at the
(11:11):
joy of other deies and that needs to be altered.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, it's again for me, it would have been different
if it was Let us say, I don't know, I'm
not big on all these different superstars, but let's assume
that Brad Pitt was married, and I guess he's no
longer married to Angelina Jolie. But if I'm not mistaken, correct, correct? Okay,
(11:38):
So let's assume that when they were married and they
were close to breaking up, brad Pitt was seen squiring
someone else, some other Hollywood Starlett around town. They're public figures,
and a lot of that I think was done to
generate publicity. So I would look at that very differently
than this. Do you disagree that too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm sorry, this is a private couple.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you you said you were in
a similar situation. Uh, so, okay, did you develop a
long term relationship with the woman who you walked away
with hand in hand or no?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
You were already in the long term so at that
point there instead of her and I had our own
issues to handle, you to figure it out. Everybody else
is talking that knew about it. I was the last
one to find out. Oh, and said, hey, if anybody here,
like I said, if you haven't done anything to you talking,
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and they all go and I walked away And because
it's none of their business. And did you and you
can't best judgment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Chris without prying too much. Did you and the lady
you walked away with? Did you guys stay together? Have
you stayed friends?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
We did until she passed away?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay, okay, but anyway, that's fine. It's just simply it
was about everybody seems to enjoy the demise of another
because it takes but.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
There's a lot of that in our society. Yeah, And
it's it's almost it's not enough for us to win.
We want the other person to lose. Do you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's it's and if they're juisty to something themselves, it
takes the focus off of them.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I guess, I guess, Chris, great call. Thank you so much.
You're one of the best calls of the night as
far as I'm concerned. We talk so and I do
appreciate people's support and I appreciate people's criticism. Who are
we going to go to next? Let me go to
I Lean, I Lean, welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Oh? I'm fine, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I am Oh.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Would very much like to read more of what Matthew
Gasta has written. And I thought this was a very
interesting topic, and I'm glad that you brought it up
for discussion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let me read his paragraph to you and get your
response to it. Okay, ok. Gazda is a fairly young guy.
He went to Syracuse and he's in his mid thirties
and he's a playwright in New York. As a matter
of fact, I talked to him today and he was
doing a rehearsal for a play. But anyway, he wrote,
as I say, I wish I didn't know who they are.
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And that's because any of us might, for any particular
reason become Andy Byron or Kristen Cabot. That's the Canudlean couple.
Flawed people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Anybody can make a bad but irrelevant to the rest
of us mistake on camera and face personally destruction. What
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such episodes reveal is a pathology in the social body
and a desperate need for a new ethic of privacy.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
That's very nice, Yes, I I definitely want to read
more of what he has to say. He was speaking
so quickly, I couldn't catch a lot of what he said.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, he was on the phone. That wasn't great. But
as I say, it is a website, which is it's
kind of funny. It's a it's a double on tundra
play on words unheard h D and it's I think one.
It's it's points of view that have not been heard.
(15:46):
But it also means, uh, it tends to be going
against the train of thought or the herd if you will,
the herd mentality.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah, very clever, Yeah, very clever.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And apparently there's a physical place in England where I
guess a lot of these writers gather, and now it's
kind of spreading worldwide. So yeah, this there's this sub
stack and Unheard and they're kind of similar and their
their venues were where I guess anyone can post. So
(16:23):
I'm sure you find it if you just google unheard
dot com. You did find it. Okay, great, I'm not
good at finding stuff. I leen to be honest with
yourself and that's what you're okay, all right, great to
hear your boys.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
All right, Well, thank you for the for the topic.
I think it was excellent and thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
A little different, a little different. We try to keep
it fresh, keep it fresh, okay, Thanks, Okay, thanks Dan, talk,
have a great night. Yeah, I'm not going to get
one more in here before the break. We're going to
go go go to Emma in Detum. Hi, Emma, how
are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Pretty good?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm doing great? Love to know what your take is. Again,
you don't have to agree with me. I just want
people to think about this one. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I totally agree with you, and actually I'm very concerned
about how this has blown up because I obviously, we
have so much in the world. We have wars, we
have illness, murders, drugs, viruses, whatever, and people are obsessed
with the hate surrounding this and other we'd hating on
these people that they don't even know. We've got so
(17:40):
many other concerns just in our country alone. I mean,
there's so many things to be you know, concerned and
up and arms about, and these people are ganging off
on a couple they don't even know. It's not our business.
I'm blown away by this.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It went viral quickly, and I think everybody has has
seen it, and I you, you have said it better
than I have said it, to be honest with him,
And I'm embarrassed to say that that you have just
put it out there. You you, these people, what whatever
(18:19):
they were doing, has no relevance to us. Uh. It
has relevance to their spouses, if they were doing what
some suspect they were doing. It has relevance to their
families and their and their friends, and maybe has relevance
to their company. But uh, but it's it's like it's
almost as if people enjoy seeing other people suffer. I'm
(18:43):
sure that that yeah, that these people are suffering right
now for a stupid mistake. Okay, obviously you know they
if they know now, if you find out that they have,
you're both fessed up to their their spouses ahead of
time and said, hey, you know, we're kind of you know,
and we're honest about it that you have to look
(19:05):
at you. But we don't know, No, we don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
We don't know the people. We have no idea who
these people are. And obviously they're they're paying the price privately,
but it is a private manner. It's like, you know,
it's between them and their families and everybody else. And
what I'm what really blew my mind is to hate
thats out there and people just waiting for something to
(19:30):
hate on them. And that's what I'm saying with some
of the court cases and some of the other things,
like on Facebook on those pages, who's yelling at this
one and that one was guilty innocent? This is why
blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Well I think I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'd be interested if you see any similarity. When I
think about the guy that shot the corporate executive in
the back last December, Luigi Mangioni and you know, a
cowardly at number one. If if he went up to
the guy and punched him in the face, you know,
(20:06):
if he didn't sucker punch him, you'd say, well, at
least he had the coverage to you know, to confront
the guy, but to shoot him in the back. And
yet Luigi Angioni had. I guess he's got a coterie
of people that support him.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Oh, he's like a hero. It's amazing.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
People are like, yeah, they're like, oh my god, you know,
justice for Luigi and all. And I'm like, and then
you see something like this. These are people that I know.
You know, I'm not saying it's wrong or it's right.
I'm not it's not my business to judge. But they
have not committed like a crime. You know, as far
as you know, we're concerned. It doesn't affect our lives.
(20:43):
And there people are jumping on like they're obsessed. It's
crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well know, this never would have happened, You'll say, thirty
or forty years ago, you know, pre internet, in those days.
And again I'm old enough to remember those days a
little bit. It was like, you know, is Liz Taylor
and Richard Burton, Are they really a couple again, all
(21:10):
that sort of stuff, even more recently, as they said,
you know, you know then you know Prince Charles now
King Charles and and Princess Diana and what's the relationship
and but but again those are all people who are
out in the public spotlight and put themselves in those circumstances.
These people didn't go to this concert saying it'll be
(21:32):
great if we get up on the jumbo.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Tron and right exactly, And like I'm just saying, if
they were like in a position of say government or
like a health a public health officer, I mean, just
someone you know, I mean somebody that you know you're
supposed to look up. You know, well, President you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Remember, are you old enough to remember the Clinton Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean I was not upset by his behavior. His
behavior is between him and his wife. And and as
I said, if he was upstairs and the Lincoln bedroom
covoting with Sharon Stone, that's an intern, right, And you're
the most powerful person in the world. This guy's the
CEO of a company who you know, theoretically, in the
(22:21):
minds of many people, is involved in some sort of
an extra friendship with a special friendship. Well, we'll use
some euphemisms here with the human resource person, and probably
they're both going to lose their jobs for lack of judgment.
But the Clinton thing, there were people it's just about sacks. No,
(22:42):
it wasn't. It was about positions of authority and.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Power in my right right and this envy. I think
there's envy out there that these people have those jobs,
and they're like, oh, dare they these people who have
these great jobs making this great money and all this
other stuff and have all these whatever. And I think
that's part of the to like a lot of people
wish they had those types of jobs, and that's like
a hate towards like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Today, I wouldn't mind being a CEO of some big company,
and I'm sure you wouldn't mind being a CEO of company.
But at the same time, I'm not going to look
at these people in their moment of embarrassment and crisis
and take joy. Somehow, My life has enough joy that
I don't need to take joy from the problems that
(23:26):
other people are trying to deal with, whether they're made
exactly they made the problems themselves or they were victimized
one or the other. I love your calls. You got
to keep calling more often.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Okay, thank you, I will.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Thanks Emma, talk some and have a great night. Well,
take a quick break. I got one line that Emma
just got off at six one seven, two, five four,
ten thirty, and I got one line at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. We also have a great
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Thanks Kyle, appreciate it. Let me go next to Delaware.
We occasionally get calls from Delaware, not as often as
I would like. Josie is in Delaware. Hi, Josie, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Dan, I'm good. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I can hear you just perfectly?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, oh perfect.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
So I've met Matthew a few times. That's why I
called in. He posted that he was doing this so
and I've never called into a talk radio before, so
it seems well.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, first of all, we've got to give you a
lot of applause from our digital studio audience. Okay, I
hope you become a regular night Side listener. Josie. What
do you do downe in Delaware?
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Yes, I'm hoped. I'm in fundraising. I work for an
educational nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's what we call development, right, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I'm always developing, always closing.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Good for you, Good for you. I have a lot
of friends who are involved in in charitable organizations and
what's called development. So yeah, that's great.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
Great.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Are you a graduate of Are you a graduate of
the University of Delaware?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No?
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Actually, I'm actually from Seattle. I'm from the West coast,
but just here for work.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay. The reason I know that is I think the
University of Delaway has the strangest nickname. They are the
Blue Hens, as I'm sure you know.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
They're not.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
It's not very threatening, it is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It is. You know, when you like the lions and
the bears, you say, we got to be concerned, but
the blue Hens, they're going to be an easy game. Well, look,
thank you. Love to know what your take is. If
you're if you follow Matthew, you probably have read the
piece before before you heard us talk about it tonight.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
I did read it, and it's great that you chose
this topic. I obviously think that, you know, weaponizing shame
and this mob like fashion is wrong, like the internet
is ruthless and the punishment doesn't fit the crime. But
I am curious kind of like your thoughts and perhaps
some of your other listeners thoughts, like in a civilized society,
(26:56):
like what is our role? Like is it permissible to
call out adultery? Because like marriage at least in an
old school way, like is a public good. And so
these people, you know, if they're married to other people
and they have kids, like, they are creating kind of
a mess by cheating, whether they're in a leadership capacity
or not. And so my question is basically, like, is
(27:18):
there a way in our hyper ruthless internet world to
point out that something that that something is wrong or
should be like because we're strangers and we don't know them,
like just completely ignore the problem and leave it to
like people who know them better. Because I'm certainly not perfect.
So I totally don't agree with the public nature of
the call out. I just think we have gotten sometimes
(27:40):
to a point in our society where it's like, well,
I don't know them, I don't want to have any
Like There's a balance, right, There has to be a balance,
because you can't just forever be turning away to like
things that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, you know, I can only speak for myself, and yeah,
my attitude on it is there's a lot of collateral
damage here, Okay. Yeah, and they obviously now you know,
I'm a lawyer by training, so you give people the
(28:13):
benefit of the doubt and the presumption of innocence, so
it might have been that it was a harmless entanglement.
It certainly looked like a ca noodling of some sort,
and their reaction probably raised a lot of And I
think the lead guy of Coldplay was a named Chris Martin.
(28:34):
I think, if I'm not mistaken, he said something. He
said something like, well, you know, either they're having an
affair or they're really shy.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
But yeah, So my amitat is if, as I said,
if they were public figures beforehand, if it was you know,
Tom Brady up there with I don't know, is it
Sarah Sweeney? Is that the new hot actress Sidney Sweeney.
(29:09):
If it was Tom Brady up there with Sidney Sweeney,
I think that's fair play, okay, because they are public figures.
I think that he was. There was some comments that
he and Sidney were dancing together at the Jeff Bezos
wedding celebration in Italy last week. You know, that's that
like kind of washes over us. But these people before
(29:34):
the event were private individuals, and who cares? And it
almost becomes for me it's like who cares?
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Yeah, I don't I agree with you? In the like
they shouldn't have the Internet mob. You know, we live
in the society where like the Internet mob is attacking
and that's horrible. Like but that side, I maybe that
doesn't make sense to go there because like this whole
conversation is about the Internet mob. But I just think,
(30:06):
like I don't know, like I like it when people
have like courage of their convictions. I guess what I'm
saying is like if I was doing something really wrong,
I would hope that, you know, the people around me
would would call it out. And maybe we've It's like weird,
it's this paradox. It's like we've softened on the individual,
like you know, your family calling you out or your
(30:28):
coworkers around you calling you out, and then we've moved
to this like hyper parasocial like people who don't know
you will call you out and ruin your life, but
those closest to you, like I mean, I don't know
what their story is, obviously, but like I've seen that
in my own life where it's like nobody wants to
judge at all in like their circles close to them,
(30:49):
but then they're perfectly fine judging, which is like maybe
when you need it you know, maybe you need your
friends to call you out or your family. Well, sure,
I mean, well doing it on the internet, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
No, if you and I were friends and you knew
that I had a drinking problem, and that every night
that we went out, either as a couple or with
a group, I was getting blatto drunk every night. Right,
if you were a real friend of mine, first of all,
you wouldn't let me drive home number one but number.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Two at some point the keys, yeah, right right, Or
or you take me aside and say, hey, you know,
what I think you're drinking is getting a little out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, there are individuals who have what's called interventions.
I know a former a couple of former pro baseball
players who literally had an intervention with a former teammate.
Well known pro athletes who were very everybody was a
(31:56):
good guy, but one guy was kind of slipping and
slide away, and they literally went and they flew. They
were retired at that point, actually, and they thought enough
of their former teammate to go and and have an intervention.
And he was he was drinking much more than he
should have. So, yeah, I'm with you. That's the individual
(32:19):
responsibility to and it takes some courage. If I were
to say to you, Josie, you know, you know your
behavior the other night at the bar, you're gonna get
yourself in trouble here or whatever. You know, just cool it.
A little bit takes courage because you could say to me, Hey,
it's none of your business, stupid, leave me alone. Yeah,
but it's easy when I'm sitting behind my anonymous keyboard.
(32:41):
I'm a keyboard warrior. I can get on there and
say whatever I want, you know. Yeah, Josie, I loved
your call. I hope you'll continue to listen. Our signal
booms into Delaware. I assume you're probably listening to the
iHeart app.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Maybe yeah, it's just on my computer, but yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Can get us on your radio over the We have
a big, powerful WBC in Boston ten thirty am. But
clear get us wherever you can, and I hope you
become a regular listener.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yeah, thanks so much particular my call.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Thank you for calling. I really do appreciate the best
of luck with them with fundraising. I'm sure you're doing
some great work for a great charity. Thank you so
much to talk to you again. Thanks Josie, good night.
Well take a break, coming right back on nightside. I
got a couple of lines. I don't even want to
give the numbers. You guys know the numbers. I'm not
going to waste my time. If you want to join us,
feel free. If not, that's okay. I got I got
(33:33):
Christine and Jim coming up, but I'd love to get
a couple more movie right back on Nightside. I have
enjoyed this and I'm delighted with the calls we have gotten.
I wanted more, to be honest with you, but I'm
delighted with those who have had the courage to call.
This is a tough subject. Josie was an excellent caller
(33:53):
back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It's night Side with Boston's News.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Ready. We will try to get everyone in, Yes we will,
starting with Christine and Denim. Christine, We've got a lot
of women callers tonight. Welcome and thank you.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Then I agree with you. You know when you go
for it like a job, and like they had to
take pictures that they asked your permission, like you know
you have to sign something or a video? Yeah why why?
Like that's not be allowed. It's an invasion of you
have privacy. This it's not it's not fair, it's not right.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So you mean, like if you have to get a
picture for an employee, I d you mean something like that?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Yeah, like they are a video, Yes, you have to
have permission, like, but with these cams, I mean, it's
not it's not right. It's an invasion of privacy.
Speaker 11 (34:49):
Well, they may say that if you got if you've
got to work in a building and you're going to
work for you know, some company, X y Z company
that they want to know who you are.
Speaker 10 (35:01):
I mean when I worked at W I'm saying that
the content of baseball games like kissing, that's oh, I.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
See what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is
kind of an invasion in privacy.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
You're right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I had not thought of that, but it is. You
go to the concert, you don't expect to be on
the jumbo trill and you expect to go to the
concert and watch the band or watch the game on
the jumbo troll. Right, But people seem to like that's
a great point. I wish I thought of that one earlier. Christine,
you got me, that's a good one.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Yeah, that that's to me, that that's that couldn't be allowed.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, yeah, it should be go to go to the game,
uh and enjoy the game period and not focus on individuals.
They do that the whole thing with the kiss cam.
I mean, you could go to a game with a
with a first time date with somebody, and all of
a sudden, you're sitting there and you and you're the
(35:57):
person who you're with, uh, and and you don't know them,
You're uncomfortable, and it's almost you know, you got to
kiss them to be because you're on the kiss caamp.
I mean four, Yeah, you got it. Great point, great point, Christine.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Thanks, Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
All right, right, let me get I'm gonna get Jim
in here. Jim. I want to get you in here
quickly for and you and a couple more go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Thanks Dan for getting me in quickly. Well, I don't
think you have any expectation of privacy when you're in
a public venue with ten thousand other people.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think technically you're correct.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
Yes, I cast if they if they broadcasted it outside
of the venue, there might be a violation of FCC
rules if there was a protrusion. But what I what
I have to say is is this, and another good
example this was not covered under law. But another good
example of this is when they released health information about
(36:54):
a former president, our most recent former president. I've told
you before how I felt about that administration, and if
I never heard another word about him, it would be
too soon. So when I heard health information about him,
it was a violation of my rights under HIPPA. I
don't care about his rights under HIPPA. I don't want
(37:16):
to know about other people's health information. I don't want
to I don't want to know about it.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Well, again, this hipper.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Writs him, I know what you're saying, But the hippo
writes apply to you and to me, and they apply
also to a former president. I think that we're going
to open that conversation up, and we open up that
can of worms. Then I will be here at three
o'clock and you know, and I'll be talking to each
other alone.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
But but but you see what I'm saying. Well, I mean,
I understand that the patient has rights under HIPPA, but
what about other people? Don't I have a right to
be protected from his information.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, wo't want to know, not, No, I know. Unfortunately,
you're not. If if let's say there's a shooting night
in Kansas City and a police officer is badly wounded
or whatever, that's going to be part of the story.
There's a police officer shot and he suffered a gunshot wound.
I mean, they were talking about the guy in New
York who was shot last I guess it was Saturday night,
(38:16):
Sunday night, shot in the face. He's a n ice officer.
So yeah, you don't. Hey, Jim, I gotta get in here. Okay,
thank you much, keep going, let's go. Where can we
go quickly? Okay? Dave in Pennsylvania, Dave, can you be
quick for me please?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah. Sure, we're looking at this a little bit wrong
because how many years ago it was mister Clinton there
and we're still talking about it. And Clinton was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
A different situation. Clinton was was the command the chief,
you know, the chief of the White House, the commander
in chief, the President of the United States. Fooling around
with an in turn, that becomes a question of position
of authority, et cetera. That's a little different, and but
that one kind of got pushed aside.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, we're still talking about it though.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well I'm talking about in the context of this, that
Bill Clinton as the President of the United States with
an intern That's a subject that I think is a
legitimate conversation. These couple, who you and I had never
heard of until a week ago, I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Think is yeah, but we can't go too many other places.
We can't go for gas without it and then taking
a picture of it. We can't go we can't go
to a big box stool without them, you know, watching
us go in the restroom. You know, we can't go
anywhere without pictures being taken anymore. It shouldn't surprise us.
(39:42):
But what bothers me the most damn is that we're
consumed about this couple and not not about ourselves right now.
We should be thinking about our shelves and society and
what's it doing to.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I agree with you, I agree, I agree with that,
But Dave, you got to call earlier to give you
it more time. But I'm flat out of time right now.
And as a matter of fact, Brent and Tim, I apologize,
we have run out of time. All dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie ray Is,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's where all
your pets are past. They loved you, you love that.
I do believe you'll see them again. A great job, Rob,
(40:16):
great job, Marita. Have a great Tuesday everyone. We'll see
you tomorrow night. I'll see you on Facebook. Nice that
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