January 8, 2026 • 39 mins
On Wednesday of this week, a 37-year-old woman was fatally shot during a confrontation with an ICE agent in Minneapolis. In the wake of the shooting, protests have ensued in Minneapolis and other major U.S. cities. Dan Rea is back from vacation and spoke about all that has unfolded in Minneapolis and discussed the FBI investigation of this shooting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
As the announcer gentlemen said, this is Nightside with Dan Ray.
I've been away for about two weeks, and I am
back tonight for my first show of twenty twenty six.
And if you're listening to Nightside, thank you for listening
to Nightside, and certainly thank you if you're contemplating calling in, because,
as I have said many times, this is a talk program.
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I am the talk show host. There is one talk
show host, namely me. This is not a program that
has six people sitting around a table. Sometimes you watch
the particularly the sports shows when you see them broadcast
on television, or you listen to the radio and there's
five guys all talking at one another and over one another.
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That's not that what we do here. This is an
individual talk show where I'm here four hours a night,
Monday through Friday, from eight until midnight. We take callers
from nine until midnight. I'm here for the first time
this year. I've been away for a few days, and
at some point, perhaps even as early as tomorrow night,
we can talk about that. But we have more important
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issues to talk about tonight because a lot has happened
since our last I get together on December third, back
in twenty twenty five. If you remember twenty twenty five,
which is now clearly in our rear view mirror, we
maybe never thought it would end well it did. And
now we're on to twenty twenty six, and we start
off tonight talking about what happened in Minneapolis yesterday, and
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we know a lot of the facts of the case.
The worst aspect of the case is that there was
a woman, thirty seven year old woman, and I've heard
different reports. She leaves a wife, and I've heard one
child or three children. I'm not sure which. Either way,
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it was a horrific result. The woman renamed Nicole Good
was driving a burgundy Honda Pilot s u V. And Uh,
there there's gonna be different perspectives here. There were with
everybody has watched the shots being fired by the ice
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agent who at one point had circled her car. I'm
going to get back to this in a second, but Uh,
there's there's some I think there's some responsibility to go around. Uh.
First off, I think that it's good advice for any
nightside listeners. Two follow orders of police officers. If you
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or I are pulled over for speeding or because we
have a headlight or uh a brake light out, Uh,
you're very right to ask the police officer, g officer,
what did I do or anything like that, and the
officer should tell you. You know, look, you're going faster.
It's a forty five mile an hour and they're going
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to ask for a license and registration, and you have
an obligation to provide them the license and registration. I'm
reminded by a friend of mine today who's a police
officer in New Hampshire, that there seems to be a
group of people up there who consider themselves free staters
or they're not residents of any state and therefore they
don't believe that they have to have a license. Well,
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in fact, in order to operate a vehicle on our roads,
you have to have a license. And I think most
normal people, most rational people, understand that you just don't
get into a car and drive if you don't have
a license. Okay, it's as simple as that. You just
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don't go to the airport any longer and just walk
to the gate without clearing tsa security. There are things
that we have to comply with. And I think when
the ice officers asked this woman who tragically lost her
life to turn off her engine and get out of
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the car, she should have followed. She should have followed
that order. Now as she started to drive away, I
think all of us have seen. There were two officers
that had approached the car on the driver's side, and
this other officer was videotaping as he walked around to
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the front of the car.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he was not directly in front of the car,
but he was in front of the left hand side
of the car. Now I walked. I read a Washington
Post breakdown of this. Today, I read a breakdown in
the New York Times UH, in which they made the point,
which I thought was legitimate, that the officer could have
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stepped out of the way and did not have to
fire his weapon. Again, this is going to come down
to a case of what is in the mind of
the officer, what with the circumstances. I would like to know,
and I've heard different opinions, but I'd like to know
facts as to was this woman just a driver who
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came upon a scene which an ice operation in a
suburb of part of Minneapolis. I guess, not the downtown
part of Minneapolis, but about a mile away. I guess,
so it would have been like a West Roxbury if
you will, just to localize it. And there's some suggestion
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that she had stopped her vehicle there in order to
impede the ICE operation. Those facts are will ultimately come out,
I'm assuming, but I think tonight there's probably an ICE
officer who's not sleeping well. No one in that position
wants to do what he did, which which I'm sure
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he's going to say that he was in fear for
his life and he was in fear for the life
of others. God only knows what the driver thought. I mean,
the last thing she saw was a gun being pointed
at her. So I'd like to just open a conversation
here and try to keep it civil. I think there's
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a lot of mistakes that were made here. I think
that the way in which ICE has landed in some
communities can be criticized. I think the fact that some
localities like Chicago and like Minneapolis have not cooperated with ICE.
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I have a lot to say on this, to be
really honest with you, but I would like to say
it over time. I don't want to go into a
long die a monologue right now. So I'm going to
invite you to join the conversation and tell me what
you think. And let's deal with this as we always
do in a responsible conversation. Uh, if you're somebody who
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is so blind from one side or the other, will
probably have a tough conversation. But if you're somebody who
wants to talk about it rationally here in North America's
back porch, six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
I'll probably say that number one thousand times in the
next month. I'll say maybe a thousand. Maybe i'll say
ten thousand times in the next year. Write it down.
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Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Also eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine,
ten thirty. My name's Dan Ray. This is ninth side.
Your thoughts on everything that has happened in Minneapolis in
the last forty eight hours. I know that there are
demonstrations in Boston, and I know that there are demonstrations
in Minneapolis and probably in other cities. We are a
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deeply divided nation here, but I do think we can
still have rational conversation about a tragedy that has taken
in the life of a woman who should be alive tonight.
It's as simple as that. Back on night Side, more
phone with your phone calls, get the year started, and
we will probably go at least two hours in this
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maybe more. I would potentially get to Venezuela later tonight.
I have opinions on that as well, but that's what
a talk show host is supposed to have. Opinions, opinions
and callers. We can exchange ideas, exchange thoughts and opinions
here on Nightside, and we do what I think as
good as well as any group of listeners in the nation.
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I'm very proud of you. We will have our tough conversations,
but that's what it's all about. Back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Welcome back everyone. We are well into our first program
of the year, my first program. I'm back behind the microphone,
in front of the microphone. Wherever the heck the microph Oh,
it's right here in front of my mouth. My name
is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside, I heard
every Monday through Friday night and believe me going forward.
You're gonna hear me every money from Friday until probably
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sometime in April to before I have another night off.
But we're talking about Minneapolis, uh, and it is a
bad situation out there. I want to get to phone calls.
I have plenty of sound to play, both from some
of the politicians in Minnesota, the governor and the mayor
of Minneapolis, the mayor of Minnesota, also from Vice President Vance.
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But I'm going to start off with Jane from Shrewsbury. Jane,
you are the first caller this year on Night Side.
I wish I could give you a medal or a prize,
but thanks for calling in. How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I'll tack a medal of a prise. Dan, I'm fine, Happy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
New Year, same to you. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm happy to be back. I was quite a distance away.
Maybe talk about it tomorrow night. What's what's your taken?
What has transpired in the last thirty six hours in Minneapolis.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I have a few ideas which shouldn't be surprised, right
And I do have a concern for police that I
want to mention because I know you're very concerned about police.
But I think it's premature for Washington to be commenting
on this without an investigation. I hope they'll be local
investigation as well as FBI and different agencies. It's obviously
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very distressing to many people, but in general, I think
ICE is the whole ICE project is wasting a lot
of tax payer money. And I understand that they've shifted
money away from regular law enforcement into ICE. And you
have these crews going around, you know, capturing one person
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like Ramesa oz Turk from tough multiple people. Someone had
to track her all this time, and money is being
put into this immigration search, and personally I don't agree
with a lot of it. But when I think it
was when George Floyd died, people start to defunding the police,
and I don't believe in that. I think we can
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all reevaluate our police department, our school department, our town government,
city government. But everyone wants to be able to call
nine one one when there's an emergency, and the police
is a force as well as a service. We all
want to feel free to call. So as a supporter
of police myself, I think this kind of instigation of
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problem is actually bad for the local law enforcement, State
police municipal police, because people's reactions are going to be
to potentially go after cops. You know, remember there were
some cops who got shot just in sort of retribution
for a police involved shooting. So I think this whole
thing of ice endangers.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions. Okay, yeah,
you know that there are approximate anywhere between fifteen and
eighteen million people who are in this country, some of
whom are pretty bad actors, not all. What do we
do with anything about them? Do we basically say, hey,
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they're here, they got across the border during the Biden presidency.
Let's let them alone and let them let them, you know,
just incorporate themselves into this country. What do we do
about it? If anything in your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
No, I don't think we just ignore any just anybody
or someone who is a criminal. But a lot of
the people aren't criminals.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, I understand that, and I'm not suggesting that arresting.
If you've listened you listen to my show, I commented
on with the tough student who was arrested.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And I said, I remember that that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So we agree on that. So my question to you
is there was an election in twenty twenty for and
one of the issues was open borders and immigration. And
you have now an election result, okay, which essentially the
president who was elected, and whether you voted for him,
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I voted for him, is irrelevant. He was he was elected.
You would you acknowledged that, correct, of course, okay. And
I would say that that one of the reasons he
was elected was the American electorate wanted something to be
done about the number of people who had committed the
country illegally. So are you suggesting that that they do
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it differently, and if so, tell me how.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well. I'm certainly no expert, so I can't say that
I would know how. But I know that Biden made
some mistakes at the border. And I'm not a Biden
supporter either.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
No, no, I just he he had a policy which
was open borders, come on.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But he did start to close it down at the end,
and Trump has continued that, So that's good. I just
don't understand this hunt for people, many of whom aren't criminals.
That's list, But I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Get Let's put that aside for a moment. Let's put
that aside for a moment, Okay, and let's assume that
they say, Okay, we are only going to go after
people who we know are here and have serious criminal records.
Would you support that?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Would I support that they're only going to go after
people like that?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah? Is that? Yeah? What about if they said, look,
we're not going to go after the people who are working,
you know, in a meat factory or working on a farm,
but we're going after we think that out of the
twenty million or so of this three or four million
who have some serious, serious gang affiliations or serious criminal records.
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Would you support that?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I would support Trump to get people who are criminals
or in gangs and that sort of thing. I just
don't think that that's what's happening at this point.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I know that we've established that in the conversation, so all, I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I don't know how. I don't know how we should
do it, Dan exactly. I'm really no expert, but I
know that what's happening isn't working, and that more and
more people are going to be upset by it, and
it's going to be someone what's a disturbed mind is
going to sort of take revenge against an innocent police officer.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Are you familiar with the case Arizona versus the United States,
a twenty twelve case out of the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You'll have to refresh my memory.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Now, I'll refresh your memory. There was a set of
laws that were passed in Arizona by a Republican legislature
and by Governor Jan Brewer, he's a Republican And basically
they were upset with the Obama administration back in twenty
ten that there had been a real impact and infusion
of legals in Arizona. And that case went to the
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u U. S. Supreme Court, and by a five to
three decision, UH, it was decided by the U. S.
Supreme Court that federal law UH is the only authority
in this country that should deal with immigration issues. Arizona
had passed a bunch of statutes which which would have
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enabled Arizona police and Arizona you know, authorities to go
after people who who they believed were here illegally and
and and basically usurped the federal law. And so that
the the argument by the court or the holding by
the court when President Obama UH was in office, was
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that federal law preempts immigration statute. It's it's only something
that the federal government deals with that the states. In
this case, it was a conservative Republican state in Arizona
had no right to pass laws that were inconsistent with
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the federal law. Now, that was the case that Republicans
and conservatives were upset by because they felt, hey, you know,
we're in Arizona, We're being badly impacted. It seems to
me that Minnesota at this point wants to do from
the other perspective, what Arizona tried to do and was
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told they couldn't do by the US Supreme Court back
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What is Minnesota doing that contradicts them? What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
They're telling we want Ice out of our state. We
don't want Ice to have any authority in our state.
And that, in effect was what the Arizona State of
Arizona was trying to do back in twenty ten. We'll
take care of immigration law here in Arizona, and the
Supreme Court said, no immigration law has preempted by the
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federal government. You do not have a right to run.
We cannot have fifty states and fifty sets of immigration laws.
And unfortunately Minnesota Governor waltz he should know better than most.
He was the losing vice presidential candidate.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You right, And it does make sense. You can't have
fifty different states doing fifty different things.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That makes sense exactly. And the immigration law that is
being followed, there's nothing illegal about what ICE is doing.
They make mistakes, but it is not as if Congress
has passed a law that says they cannot do what
they do. Jay, Look, as always, I enjoy our conversations
and I really appreciate your phone calls. And we disagree
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on this one, but I do think there are some
areas of agreement that we have sketched out in this conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So I don't know, yes, And I just want to
reinforce that I'm concerned about the safety of police departments,
and I think that this whole ICE think is causing
more resentment against police and we don't need that. There
has to be a more rational, civil way to deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well again, if you come up with one that's more rational,
more civil, feel free to. We will talk about this
tonight and and on into the new year. I'm certain
about it. You're always welcome, Jane, Thank you so.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Much, Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Happy New Year. You have a great night. We'll be
back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom
of the.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Hol It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY Hazy,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
All right, back to our conversation about what's going on
and still going on tonight in Minneapolis. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Those are numbers you should write down and have them
near your phone because hopefully you will be able to
exercise those numbers and take advantage of those numbers throughout
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throughout the year. Here on Nightside. This is show number
one of what will be probably about two hundred and
twenty five shows this year. Let me go to New
Tasachi in Saga. Sachi, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Welcome, Thank you Dan. I actually happy to me Yea,
and I missed you.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, I'm glad you missed me, but I'm back. I
missed you, Sati, I missed all the callers as well.
I thought about you, all of you often during the trip.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
So it's now You've always been fair and you're always
right on the dot. Well, then on this one, you know,
I'm kind of probable costs and I think that this
is a pretty much solid murder case because I looked
at the video quite a few times. There's no probable
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costs for them to pull that wake Lobo to start off,
And well, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I think SATCHI with with all due respect here let
me it's my understanding. And there are people in the
audience who may disagree with me, and if they do,
leve to hear for them. My understanding is that that
the driver of the automobile had pulled the cart at
an odd angle in the middle of this sort of
a residential area, a residential street, to prevent the flow
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of traffic. Now, the Ice people believe she was attempting
to interfere with their ice operation. But if you recall
where the car is, it's it's it's at a strange
angle in the middle of the street, and they were
asking her to move.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yes, I totally agree, but the way she moved, you know,
I looked at the video gain there was another vehicle
in the front that I believe that's why she moved
that way, because I wish she would be parking behind
the other vehicle. But you know, I'm not a judge
of you or anything, but my personal opinion on this one.
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I think we should actually reconsider or look at the
people we are going to hire, uh for this ice operation,
because we are hiring like he just wanted to hire
everybody on the street that who is looking for a
job or just want more people.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, I think I think they have I think like
most police departments, they have to go through training. Now
I can agree with you that it might have been
a more reasonable action for the police officer to to
Pirouette out of the way, But it's difficult to know
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what is in his mind. I'm not sure he can
be prosecuted in Minnesota under Minnesota statues. I think that
he has he has some protections, you know, sort of
an immunity as a federal officer because he was acting
in the in the in the in his as a
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as a federal officer. But here here's the question. Have
you ever been stopped by the police? Are you driver?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yes? I quite a few times, quite a few times.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So let me ask you. Don't you don't have to
tell me for what. But so when you stopped, police
officer comes to the car window ask you to roll
down the window. Do you roll down the window?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, he'll say to you or she'll say to you,
license and registration. Do you agree to give them a
license and registration? Or do you.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Usually awesome? Do you mind telling me what's the reason
for shopping?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And do they mostly do? They normally tell you.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Usually a lot of young people. The young officers usually
give me a get out. You should answers, get out
of the car.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay. So now when they ask.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You officers who are a little older, like in their fifties, okay,
and they tell me the reason why they stopped me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, So so come back to the get out of
the car. So when when you when you say to
the officer, can you tell me why you stopped me?
And to most of the most of the times, I
know when I got stopped. I know that I blew
through the yellow light, or that maybe I didn't come
to a full stop at the stop sign. But it's
nice to it's a normal question. I agree with you.
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Normal question. So you ask and when they say to you,
turn off your engine and get out of the car.
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I usually turn off the enginet as soon as they
pull you know, pull me, I see the light? I
pull the light?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yes, yes, So they ask you to get out of
the car, Sachi, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They usually surprised with my voice because I'm from Sri Lanka.
It's like I always mentioned to you, subsprise.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Just try to answer my question. If you've told me that,
say to you get out of the car when.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
With them, that's pretty sum.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Would this woman would the woman yesterday have been shot
by the police under any circumstances if she had gotten
out of the car.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
But there is a small little difference between me and her.
Is I had a probable cost for them to stop
me my light plate lights woud or my kay lights?
But on this case right there is not probable costs.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So let's them Let's assume Satch that because I've I've
been pulled over when I didn't know what I was doing.
I mean, I didn't know why I was being pulled over.
But but let's say in your case, you're pulled over
and there was one time I feel like I'm pulling
teeth from your SATCHI. So at one point, let's assume
you really don't know what what you did. Okay, you
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don't know if you crossed over the middle line. You
don't know if you were going five miles an hour
or too fast?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
The love that you put for that too, and you.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And you stop and you turn off your engine and
they say you say, can you tell me why I
was stopped? And they say, no, please get out of
the car. Will you get out of the car? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Good fifty?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Why I for all the direction of the officer because
I don't want any problems. But when I finished with
them and one of the warning or whatever he does,
and I'm there right after or next day to the
police department with technica to inform them what they did wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Good. Well, that's you're a good citizen, satchee. You were smart.
You follow the instructions of the police officer. And then
if the next day you disagree with what the police
officer UH charge you with, you show up at the
police station and you try to talk to a sergeant
or a lieutenant. And I think you you did it correctly,
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you and you you were alive to tell the story.
I wish the woman had gotten out of the car.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I just want to say that you always the best,
you know, like I love listening to you your stories
and everything. And one thing that I learned is not
to argue with the officer at the scene. I'd rather
take a ticket or whatever the warning and deal with
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it tomorrow. I stay your life.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I agree with you, so Shachi, and I'm glad you.
I'm glad you do that because that way you can
call my program.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Dan. You have a
wonderful night, and I really appreciate it. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Thanks that you I appreciate. Let me go to Bob
and Rhode Island. Hey, Bob, how are you well?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Happy to know you're happy?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You I'm doing great? What's uh?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
What's doing great to you? I wasn't hear about why
I'm doing great. It's at Bradley j for two weeks
and he said. People that called this program, well, you
were wherever you were on vacation, I guess. And I'm
sure you were on vacations. I don't know what country,
I don't know where the hell you were, but whatever,
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Bradley Jay. They some of his call has said, Bradley,
you have compassion and patience with your callers. You don't
tell people to walk the plank.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Well, it depends on You're doing fine right now, Bob.
If you want to, you know, talk about what we're
talking about tonight. If you want to express it, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I think you're a Trump wow a person. I agree
with everything you think about.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Bob. You're getting close in the flank. You have a
great night. Walk the plank, Bob. We'll be back on
Night's side with more phone calls. I hope Bob can
swim to shore. He's from Rhode Island, so he's yeah,
they're not a bad swim six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty coming back on nights side. My night is complete.
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Bob has walked the plank. Go right, we'll be back
after this.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Tony in Los Angeles, California. Tony, welcome next on Nightside him.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Dan, Glad you're back. Thank goodness, thank you. Okay, Dan,
I'm very upset about ice. I think ice has to
be melted. This is going on. It's out of control
and people are being shot. We have to stop this.
What is going on in this country.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the way to stop it is at the next election, Tony.
That's that's the reality. The people voted in November of
twenty twenty four for a candidate who said that, if
elect he would make every effort to get the people
out of this country who were here illegally. And that's
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what he's doing. If you may not like the tactics,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Yeah, to what degree? This is a degree that I've
never heard of before, shooting people and invading countries. What
is going on?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, I think you're you're you're looking election. Barack Obama
said elections have consequences, and he was accurate. When the
country votes, uh, and not only voted for Donald Trump
and voted for a Republican House and a Republican Senate.
That's presidents tend to use the authority that they feel
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they've been granted. I guess the only way to describe it. Obviously,
you disagree deeply with this. I do wish that that
woman had stopped and gotten out of the car. I mean,
the worst that would have happened to her was she
might have been arrested. I have no idea what she
would have been charged with. And I'm born her death
just as you mourn her death.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Yes I do, Dan, and I'm not angry. Don't get
me wrong. I'm just concerned. That's just worried. Yeah, well worried.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Thank you. Thank you as always for calling, and thank
you for expressing yourself as well as you did. I
think it's a legitimate you got to get involved politically,
and then in the next election later this year, you know.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I will, and I know Dan, you are number one
in the country for talk, if not the world because
of how you are. Thank God for you, Dan. Thank
you so much, Tony.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I appreciate it very much. Thank you, my friend. We'll
talk soon. Let me go next to Mike and Taunton. Mike,
you are next on nightside.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Welcome, well, welcome Dan, first time caller.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You are our first first time caller of the year.
So we've got to give you a round of applause
from a virtual studio audience. Go right ahead, Mike.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So question for you, I mean I was looking into
it and it's like, you're not so post a fire
into a vehicle for the sole purpose of stopping the vehicle, right, So,
I mean that's something that's that I've read it. How
many justices I said, guide by this on? So at
what point do we look at lethal force as being acceptable?
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Let's say, for example, I run a stop sign, right, yep,
you know, maybe I'm nervous about the police anyway, right,
they pull me over, uh, and then I drive away.
Does the officer have a right to shoot my car,
shoot my back window.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, under under the under the circumstances you have described. No.
If However, if, however, let us say hypothetically, an officer
pulls you over and is walking, you know, towards your vehicle,
or is somehow at the front of your vehicle, and
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you then start at the officer feels that his life
or the life of others are in danger, there is
there is an opportunity there to use lethal fourth force,
just as if the similar point of view is that
if someone comes into your house tonight at midnight and
you see them, you know, walking towards you, and they
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have a knife or a weapon of some sort, and
you happen to have a gun, I mean, all the
police have guns. You can use that to defend yourself,
but you better well be prepared to prove that you
felt your life was in danger. That is what this
officer I'm sure is going to argue.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Okay, so I mean, I yet I'd watched the video
you know, and I've seen what others have said that it.
You know, it looks like we have a right to
peaceful protest. We have a right to disagree with the
way things may be going.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And I'm in my fifties, and when I was in
my twenties, I I protested and I stood up for
things that I thought were important. Sure, and you know,
if if she was protesting or wanting to kind of
look at this Ice situation as you know, something that
she wanted to engage with and kind of bring to
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light how they felt it was unfair, or they wanted
to even obstruct it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You know, she kind obstructed. No, you kind of obstruct it.
It would be as if you and I go out
and we're having a couple of drinks, okay, and you
get in the car and you were buzzed and you're
pulled over and I'm sober as a judge. I was
drinking diet Pepsi's and we get pulled over, and all
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of a sudden, you decide that you're going to open
up the car door and hit the cop and you're
not going to allow him whatever. And I jump out
of the car and I defend you and we get
into an argument in a fight. Sophistical, you can't do that,
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
But but at what point does legal lethal force come
into playing?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, they would you know the hypothetical that I put
out that let's say you and I jumped out and
we decided we wanted to tell the cop you know
you want to fight, We'll have a fight with you.
At that point, we're going to be arrested. Now, maybe
he's going to call for a backup. He I don't
think unless his life fears his life is in danger,
that he's going to shoot us. Okay, but you know,
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depending upon his the circumstances, would have it been better
if he stepped out of the way and let her
drive off. Yeah, they could have gotten your license plate
and pulled her over later, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I mean, my point is, if you look at the video,
it looks to be appear that the wheels are tained
to the right to not go towards. If I know
that if I was driving towards someone to maliciously harm them,
I would point my car right at them, not out
of the way, first of all, And she was going
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from reverse to a moving position to drive you know,
the video is has audio on it. You could hear things.
The tires are not screeching. That woman was not trying
to do zero to sixteen three point two seconds. She
was just trying to get out of the way. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, let's be honest. Okay, And again I'm not trying
to justify the shooting here. But when the police said
get out of the car, that puts in motion a
set of circumstances that you know, I wish you had
gotten out of the car.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, But Dan, you can see how anyone with this
whole ice situation when they say I would get out
of the car for a police officer, would I get
out of the car for an ice person. Maybe not, Dan,
I mean I'm in the US.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah. But what I'm trying to say to you is
that that you and I don't have that discretion. I mean,
if I said to you, Hey, if I get pulled
over by a Sadie tonight, my brother was a Stadie
many years ago. Uh, and I trust Stadies, I'll get
out of the car. But a Boston cop, no way.
I can't take that distinction. I can't have it that distinction.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But we've seen repeatedly and people will say it's the
liberal media repeatedly. You know, I will say it ICE
behaving badly. You know, I mean we had, you know,
situations where US citizens have been brought in, driven around
the block for half an hour, and then dropped it
back off. You know, I mean, just like no due process,
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no real understanding anything. Miranda rights?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No, what's that?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Are Miranda rights even red? When ICE takes you into custody?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
What once you were into custody and you're under arrest,
you will have your Miranda rights absolutely because if they
don't read the Miranda rights. Look, the bottom line is
this you would like Ice? Well, I'll ask you real quickly.
Should we just di spand Ice? Do you think do
you think that ICE is just a bad organization and
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just get rid of ICE? Is that was just suggesting?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
No, what I'm suggesting is I think the way.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That should they get let me ask you this, should
they get out of Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I think it's flared up to a point where they
if they don't want the situation to go down the
steep slope of getting much worse. Yeah, I would probably
say I would make the move.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
So the next the next time, ye Okay, So therefore,
if you protest enough, and you you throw enough snowballs, uh,
and you you you yell and scream, et cetera, the
police are going to turn around and say, look, these
people don't want us here, let's leave. I don't think
that's the way it works. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Well, maybe a different approach needs to come to mind.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, I suspect you can always be considering different approaches.
One approach I have to consider is the approach of
the dead oclock news. Mark my great first time call.
I look forward to call number two. Thank you so much. Great,
I have a great night. Good night. Coming back on
Nightside right after the tenth
It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
As the announcer gentlemen said, this is Nightside with Dan Ray.
I've been away for about two weeks, and I am
back tonight for my first show of twenty twenty six.
And if you're listening to Nightside, thank you for listening
to Nightside, and certainly thank you if you're contemplating calling in, because,
as I have said many times, this is a talk program.
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I am the talk show host. There is one talk
show host, namely me. This is not a program that
has six people sitting around a table. Sometimes you watch
the particularly the sports shows when you see them broadcast
on television, or you listen to the radio and there's
five guys all talking at one another and over one another.
(00:52):
That's not that what we do here. This is an
individual talk show where I'm here four hours a night,
Monday through Friday, from eight until midnight. We take callers
from nine until midnight. I'm here for the first time
this year. I've been away for a few days, and
at some point, perhaps even as early as tomorrow night,
we can talk about that. But we have more important
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issues to talk about tonight because a lot has happened
since our last I get together on December third, back
in twenty twenty five. If you remember twenty twenty five,
which is now clearly in our rear view mirror, we
maybe never thought it would end well it did. And
now we're on to twenty twenty six, and we start
off tonight talking about what happened in Minneapolis yesterday, and
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we know a lot of the facts of the case.
The worst aspect of the case is that there was
a woman, thirty seven year old woman, and I've heard
different reports. She leaves a wife, and I've heard one
child or three children. I'm not sure which. Either way,
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it was a horrific result. The woman renamed Nicole Good
was driving a burgundy Honda Pilot s u V. And Uh,
there there's gonna be different perspectives here. There were with
everybody has watched the shots being fired by the ice
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agent who at one point had circled her car. I'm
going to get back to this in a second, but Uh,
there's there's some I think there's some responsibility to go around. Uh.
First off, I think that it's good advice for any
nightside listeners. Two follow orders of police officers. If you
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or I are pulled over for speeding or because we
have a headlight or uh a brake light out, Uh,
you're very right to ask the police officer, g officer,
what did I do or anything like that, and the
officer should tell you. You know, look, you're going faster.
It's a forty five mile an hour and they're going
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to ask for a license and registration, and you have
an obligation to provide them the license and registration. I'm
reminded by a friend of mine today who's a police
officer in New Hampshire, that there seems to be a
group of people up there who consider themselves free staters
or they're not residents of any state and therefore they
don't believe that they have to have a license. Well,
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in fact, in order to operate a vehicle on our roads,
you have to have a license. And I think most
normal people, most rational people, understand that you just don't
get into a car and drive if you don't have
a license. Okay, it's as simple as that. You just
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don't go to the airport any longer and just walk
to the gate without clearing tsa security. There are things
that we have to comply with. And I think when
the ice officers asked this woman who tragically lost her
life to turn off her engine and get out of
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the car, she should have followed. She should have followed
that order. Now as she started to drive away, I
think all of us have seen. There were two officers
that had approached the car on the driver's side, and
this other officer was videotaping as he walked around to
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the front of the car.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And he was not directly in front of the car,
but he was in front of the left hand side
of the car. Now I walked. I read a Washington
Post breakdown of this. Today, I read a breakdown in
the New York Times UH, in which they made the point,
which I thought was legitimate, that the officer could have
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stepped out of the way and did not have to
fire his weapon. Again, this is going to come down
to a case of what is in the mind of
the officer, what with the circumstances. I would like to know,
and I've heard different opinions, but I'd like to know
facts as to was this woman just a driver who
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came upon a scene which an ice operation in a
suburb of part of Minneapolis. I guess, not the downtown
part of Minneapolis, but about a mile away. I guess,
so it would have been like a West Roxbury if
you will, just to localize it. And there's some suggestion
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that she had stopped her vehicle there in order to
impede the ICE operation. Those facts are will ultimately come out,
I'm assuming, but I think tonight there's probably an ICE
officer who's not sleeping well. No one in that position
wants to do what he did, which which I'm sure
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he's going to say that he was in fear for
his life and he was in fear for the life
of others. God only knows what the driver thought. I mean,
the last thing she saw was a gun being pointed
at her. So I'd like to just open a conversation
here and try to keep it civil. I think there's
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a lot of mistakes that were made here. I think
that the way in which ICE has landed in some
communities can be criticized. I think the fact that some
localities like Chicago and like Minneapolis have not cooperated with ICE.
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I have a lot to say on this, to be
really honest with you, but I would like to say
it over time. I don't want to go into a
long die a monologue right now. So I'm going to
invite you to join the conversation and tell me what
you think. And let's deal with this as we always
do in a responsible conversation. Uh, if you're somebody who
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is so blind from one side or the other, will
probably have a tough conversation. But if you're somebody who
wants to talk about it rationally here in North America's
back porch, six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
I'll probably say that number one thousand times in the
next month. I'll say maybe a thousand. Maybe i'll say
ten thousand times in the next year. Write it down.
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Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Also eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine,
ten thirty. My name's Dan Ray. This is ninth side.
Your thoughts on everything that has happened in Minneapolis in
the last forty eight hours. I know that there are
demonstrations in Boston, and I know that there are demonstrations
in Minneapolis and probably in other cities. We are a
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deeply divided nation here, but I do think we can
still have rational conversation about a tragedy that has taken
in the life of a woman who should be alive tonight.
It's as simple as that. Back on night Side, more
phone with your phone calls, get the year started, and
we will probably go at least two hours in this
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maybe more. I would potentially get to Venezuela later tonight.
I have opinions on that as well, but that's what
a talk show host is supposed to have. Opinions, opinions
and callers. We can exchange ideas, exchange thoughts and opinions
here on Nightside, and we do what I think as
good as well as any group of listeners in the nation.
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I'm very proud of you. We will have our tough conversations,
but that's what it's all about. Back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Welcome back everyone. We are well into our first program
of the year, my first program. I'm back behind the microphone,
in front of the microphone. Wherever the heck the microph Oh,
it's right here in front of my mouth. My name
is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside, I heard
every Monday through Friday night and believe me going forward.
You're gonna hear me every money from Friday until probably
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sometime in April to before I have another night off.
But we're talking about Minneapolis, uh, and it is a
bad situation out there. I want to get to phone calls.
I have plenty of sound to play, both from some
of the politicians in Minnesota, the governor and the mayor
of Minneapolis, the mayor of Minnesota, also from Vice President Vance.
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But I'm going to start off with Jane from Shrewsbury. Jane,
you are the first caller this year on Night Side.
I wish I could give you a medal or a prize,
but thanks for calling in. How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I'll tack a medal of a prise. Dan, I'm fine, Happy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
New Year, same to you. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm happy to be back. I was quite a distance away.
Maybe talk about it tomorrow night. What's what's your taken?
What has transpired in the last thirty six hours in Minneapolis.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I have a few ideas which shouldn't be surprised, right
And I do have a concern for police that I
want to mention because I know you're very concerned about police.
But I think it's premature for Washington to be commenting
on this without an investigation. I hope they'll be local
investigation as well as FBI and different agencies. It's obviously
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very distressing to many people, but in general, I think
ICE is the whole ICE project is wasting a lot
of tax payer money. And I understand that they've shifted
money away from regular law enforcement into ICE. And you
have these crews going around, you know, capturing one person
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like Ramesa oz Turk from tough multiple people. Someone had
to track her all this time, and money is being
put into this immigration search, and personally I don't agree
with a lot of it. But when I think it
was when George Floyd died, people start to defunding the police,
and I don't believe in that. I think we can
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all reevaluate our police department, our school department, our town government,
city government. But everyone wants to be able to call
nine one one when there's an emergency, and the police
is a force as well as a service. We all
want to feel free to call. So as a supporter
of police myself, I think this kind of instigation of
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problem is actually bad for the local law enforcement, State
police municipal police, because people's reactions are going to be
to potentially go after cops. You know, remember there were
some cops who got shot just in sort of retribution
for a police involved shooting. So I think this whole
thing of ice endangers.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions. Okay, yeah,
you know that there are approximate anywhere between fifteen and
eighteen million people who are in this country, some of
whom are pretty bad actors, not all. What do we
do with anything about them? Do we basically say, hey,
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they're here, they got across the border during the Biden presidency.
Let's let them alone and let them let them, you know,
just incorporate themselves into this country. What do we do
about it? If anything in your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
No, I don't think we just ignore any just anybody
or someone who is a criminal. But a lot of
the people aren't criminals.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, I understand that, and I'm not suggesting that arresting.
If you've listened you listen to my show, I commented
on with the tough student who was arrested.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And I said, I remember that that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So we agree on that. So my question to you
is there was an election in twenty twenty for and
one of the issues was open borders and immigration. And
you have now an election result, okay, which essentially the
president who was elected, and whether you voted for him,
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I voted for him, is irrelevant. He was he was elected.
You would you acknowledged that, correct, of course, okay. And
I would say that that one of the reasons he
was elected was the American electorate wanted something to be
done about the number of people who had committed the
country illegally. So are you suggesting that that they do
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it differently, and if so, tell me how.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Well. I'm certainly no expert, so I can't say that
I would know how. But I know that Biden made
some mistakes at the border. And I'm not a Biden
supporter either.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
No, no, I just he he had a policy which
was open borders, come on.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But he did start to close it down at the end,
and Trump has continued that, So that's good. I just
don't understand this hunt for people, many of whom aren't criminals.
That's list, But I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Get Let's put that aside for a moment. Let's put
that aside for a moment, Okay, and let's assume that
they say, Okay, we are only going to go after
people who we know are here and have serious criminal records.
Would you support that?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Would I support that they're only going to go after
people like that?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah? Is that? Yeah? What about if they said, look,
we're not going to go after the people who are working,
you know, in a meat factory or working on a farm,
but we're going after we think that out of the
twenty million or so of this three or four million
who have some serious, serious gang affiliations or serious criminal records.
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Would you support that?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I would support Trump to get people who are criminals
or in gangs and that sort of thing. I just
don't think that that's what's happening at this point.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I know that we've established that in the conversation, so all, I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I don't know how. I don't know how we should
do it, Dan exactly. I'm really no expert, but I
know that what's happening isn't working, and that more and
more people are going to be upset by it, and
it's going to be someone what's a disturbed mind is
going to sort of take revenge against an innocent police officer.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Are you familiar with the case Arizona versus the United States,
a twenty twelve case out of the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You'll have to refresh my memory.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Now, I'll refresh your memory. There was a set of
laws that were passed in Arizona by a Republican legislature
and by Governor Jan Brewer, he's a Republican And basically
they were upset with the Obama administration back in twenty
ten that there had been a real impact and infusion
of legals in Arizona. And that case went to the
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u U. S. Supreme Court, and by a five to
three decision, UH, it was decided by the U. S.
Supreme Court that federal law UH is the only authority
in this country that should deal with immigration issues. Arizona
had passed a bunch of statutes which which would have
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enabled Arizona police and Arizona you know, authorities to go
after people who who they believed were here illegally and
and and basically usurped the federal law. And so that
the the argument by the court or the holding by
the court when President Obama UH was in office, was
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that federal law preempts immigration statute. It's it's only something
that the federal government deals with that the states. In
this case, it was a conservative Republican state in Arizona
had no right to pass laws that were inconsistent with
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the federal law. Now, that was the case that Republicans
and conservatives were upset by because they felt, hey, you know,
we're in Arizona, We're being badly impacted. It seems to
me that Minnesota at this point wants to do from
the other perspective, what Arizona tried to do and was
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told they couldn't do by the US Supreme Court back
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What is Minnesota doing that contradicts them? What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
They're telling we want Ice out of our state. We
don't want Ice to have any authority in our state.
And that, in effect was what the Arizona State of
Arizona was trying to do back in twenty ten. We'll
take care of immigration law here in Arizona, and the
Supreme Court said, no immigration law has preempted by the
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federal government. You do not have a right to run.
We cannot have fifty states and fifty sets of immigration laws.
And unfortunately Minnesota Governor waltz he should know better than most.
He was the losing vice presidential candidate.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You right, And it does make sense. You can't have
fifty different states doing fifty different things.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That makes sense exactly. And the immigration law that is
being followed, there's nothing illegal about what ICE is doing.
They make mistakes, but it is not as if Congress
has passed a law that says they cannot do what
they do. Jay, Look, as always, I enjoy our conversations
and I really appreciate your phone calls. And we disagree
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on this one, but I do think there are some
areas of agreement that we have sketched out in this conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So I don't know, yes, And I just want to
reinforce that I'm concerned about the safety of police departments,
and I think that this whole ICE think is causing
more resentment against police and we don't need that. There
has to be a more rational, civil way to deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well again, if you come up with one that's more rational,
more civil, feel free to. We will talk about this
tonight and and on into the new year. I'm certain
about it. You're always welcome, Jane, Thank you so.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Much, Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Happy New Year. You have a great night. We'll be
back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom
of the.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Hol It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY Hazy,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
All right, back to our conversation about what's going on
and still going on tonight in Minneapolis. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Those are numbers you should write down and have them
near your phone because hopefully you will be able to
exercise those numbers and take advantage of those numbers throughout
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throughout the year. Here on Nightside. This is show number
one of what will be probably about two hundred and
twenty five shows this year. Let me go to New
Tasachi in Saga. Sachi, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Welcome, Thank you Dan. I actually happy to me Yea,
and I missed you.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, I'm glad you missed me, but I'm back. I
missed you, Sati, I missed all the callers as well.
I thought about you, all of you often during the trip.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
So it's now You've always been fair and you're always
right on the dot. Well, then on this one, you know,
I'm kind of probable costs and I think that this
is a pretty much solid murder case because I looked
at the video quite a few times. There's no probable
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costs for them to pull that wake Lobo to start off,
And well, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I think SATCHI with with all due respect here let
me it's my understanding. And there are people in the
audience who may disagree with me, and if they do,
leve to hear for them. My understanding is that that
the driver of the automobile had pulled the cart at
an odd angle in the middle of this sort of
a residential area, a residential street, to prevent the flow
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of traffic. Now, the Ice people believe she was attempting
to interfere with their ice operation. But if you recall
where the car is, it's it's it's at a strange
angle in the middle of the street, and they were
asking her to move.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yes, I totally agree, but the way she moved, you know,
I looked at the video gain there was another vehicle
in the front that I believe that's why she moved
that way, because I wish she would be parking behind
the other vehicle. But you know, I'm not a judge
of you or anything, but my personal opinion on this one.
(21:52):
I think we should actually reconsider or look at the
people we are going to hire, uh for this ice operation,
because we are hiring like he just wanted to hire
everybody on the street that who is looking for a
job or just want more people.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, I think I think they have I think like
most police departments, they have to go through training. Now
I can agree with you that it might have been
a more reasonable action for the police officer to to
Pirouette out of the way, But it's difficult to know
(22:34):
what is in his mind. I'm not sure he can
be prosecuted in Minnesota under Minnesota statues. I think that
he has he has some protections, you know, sort of
an immunity as a federal officer because he was acting
in the in the in the in his as a
(22:56):
as a federal officer. But here here's the question. Have
you ever been stopped by the police? Are you driver?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yes? I quite a few times, quite a few times.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So let me ask you. Don't you don't have to
tell me for what. But so when you stopped, police
officer comes to the car window ask you to roll
down the window. Do you roll down the window?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, he'll say to you or she'll say to you,
license and registration. Do you agree to give them a
license and registration? Or do you.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Usually awesome? Do you mind telling me what's the reason
for shopping?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And do they mostly do? They normally tell you.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Usually a lot of young people. The young officers usually
give me a get out. You should answers, get out
of the car.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay. So now when they ask.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You officers who are a little older, like in their fifties, okay,
and they tell me the reason why they stopped me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Okay, So so come back to the get out of
the car. So when when you when you say to
the officer, can you tell me why you stopped me?
And to most of the most of the times, I
know when I got stopped. I know that I blew
through the yellow light, or that maybe I didn't come
to a full stop at the stop sign. But it's
nice to it's a normal question. I agree with you.
(24:24):
Normal question. So you ask and when they say to you,
turn off your engine and get out of the car.
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I usually turn off the enginet as soon as they
pull you know, pull me, I see the light? I
pull the light?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yes, yes, So they ask you to get out of
the car, Sachi, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
They usually surprised with my voice because I'm from Sri Lanka.
It's like I always mentioned to you, subsprise.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Just try to answer my question. If you've told me that,
say to you get out of the car when.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
With them, that's pretty sum.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Would this woman would the woman yesterday have been shot
by the police under any circumstances if she had gotten
out of the car.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
But there is a small little difference between me and her.
Is I had a probable cost for them to stop
me my light plate lights woud or my kay lights?
But on this case right there is not probable costs.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So let's them Let's assume Satch that because I've I've
been pulled over when I didn't know what I was doing.
I mean, I didn't know why I was being pulled over.
But but let's say in your case, you're pulled over
and there was one time I feel like I'm pulling
teeth from your SATCHI. So at one point, let's assume
you really don't know what what you did. Okay, you
(26:00):
don't know if you crossed over the middle line. You
don't know if you were going five miles an hour
or too fast?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
The love that you put for that too, and you.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And you stop and you turn off your engine and
they say you say, can you tell me why I
was stopped? And they say, no, please get out of
the car. Will you get out of the car? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Good fifty?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Why I for all the direction of the officer because
I don't want any problems. But when I finished with
them and one of the warning or whatever he does,
and I'm there right after or next day to the
police department with technica to inform them what they did wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Good. Well, that's you're a good citizen, satchee. You were smart.
You follow the instructions of the police officer. And then
if the next day you disagree with what the police
officer UH charge you with, you show up at the
police station and you try to talk to a sergeant
or a lieutenant. And I think you you did it correctly,
(27:09):
you and you you were alive to tell the story.
I wish the woman had gotten out of the car.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I just want to say that you always the best,
you know, like I love listening to you your stories
and everything. And one thing that I learned is not
to argue with the officer at the scene. I'd rather
take a ticket or whatever the warning and deal with
(27:34):
it tomorrow. I stay your life.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I agree with you, so Shachi, and I'm glad you.
I'm glad you do that because that way you can
call my program.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Dan. You have a
wonderful night, and I really appreciate it. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Thanks that you I appreciate. Let me go to Bob
and Rhode Island. Hey, Bob, how are you well?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Happy to know you're happy?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You I'm doing great? What's uh?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
What's doing great to you? I wasn't hear about why
I'm doing great. It's at Bradley j for two weeks
and he said. People that called this program, well, you
were wherever you were on vacation, I guess. And I'm
sure you were on vacations. I don't know what country,
I don't know where the hell you were, but whatever,
(28:21):
Bradley Jay. They some of his call has said, Bradley,
you have compassion and patience with your callers. You don't
tell people to walk the plank.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Well, it depends on You're doing fine right now, Bob.
If you want to, you know, talk about what we're
talking about tonight. If you want to express it, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I think you're a Trump wow a person. I agree
with everything you think about.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Bob. You're getting close in the flank. You have a
great night. Walk the plank, Bob. We'll be back on
Night's side with more phone calls. I hope Bob can
swim to shore. He's from Rhode Island, so he's yeah,
they're not a bad swim six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty coming back on nights side. My night is complete.
(29:09):
Bob has walked the plank. Go right, we'll be back
after this.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Tony in Los Angeles, California. Tony, welcome next on Nightside him.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Dan, Glad you're back. Thank goodness, thank you. Okay, Dan,
I'm very upset about ice. I think ice has to
be melted. This is going on. It's out of control
and people are being shot. We have to stop this.
What is going on in this country.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, the way to stop it is at the next election, Tony.
That's that's the reality. The people voted in November of
twenty twenty four for a candidate who said that, if
elect he would make every effort to get the people
out of this country who were here illegally. And that's
(30:06):
what he's doing. If you may not like the tactics,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Yeah, to what degree? This is a degree that I've
never heard of before, shooting people and invading countries. What
is going on?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, I think you're you're you're looking election. Barack Obama
said elections have consequences, and he was accurate. When the
country votes, uh, and not only voted for Donald Trump
and voted for a Republican House and a Republican Senate.
That's presidents tend to use the authority that they feel
(30:43):
they've been granted. I guess the only way to describe it. Obviously,
you disagree deeply with this. I do wish that that
woman had stopped and gotten out of the car. I mean,
the worst that would have happened to her was she
might have been arrested. I have no idea what she
would have been charged with. And I'm born her death
just as you mourn her death.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Yes I do, Dan, and I'm not angry. Don't get
me wrong. I'm just concerned. That's just worried. Yeah, well worried.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Thank you. Thank you as always for calling, and thank
you for expressing yourself as well as you did. I
think it's a legitimate you got to get involved politically,
and then in the next election later this year, you know.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I will, and I know Dan, you are number one
in the country for talk, if not the world because
of how you are. Thank God for you, Dan. Thank
you so much, Tony.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I appreciate it very much. Thank you, my friend. We'll
talk soon. Let me go next to Mike and Taunton. Mike,
you are next on nightside.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Welcome, well, welcome Dan, first time caller.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You are our first first time caller of the year.
So we've got to give you a round of applause
from a virtual studio audience. Go right ahead, Mike.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So question for you, I mean I was looking into
it and it's like, you're not so post a fire
into a vehicle for the sole purpose of stopping the vehicle, right, So,
I mean that's something that's that I've read it. How
many justices I said, guide by this on? So at
what point do we look at lethal force as being acceptable?
(32:15):
Let's say, for example, I run a stop sign, right, yep,
you know, maybe I'm nervous about the police anyway, right,
they pull me over, uh, and then I drive away.
Does the officer have a right to shoot my car,
shoot my back window.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, under under the under the circumstances you have described. No.
If However, if, however, let us say hypothetically, an officer
pulls you over and is walking, you know, towards your vehicle,
or is somehow at the front of your vehicle, and
(32:54):
you then start at the officer feels that his life
or the life of others are in danger, there is
there is an opportunity there to use lethal fourth force,
just as if the similar point of view is that
if someone comes into your house tonight at midnight and
you see them, you know, walking towards you, and they
(33:14):
have a knife or a weapon of some sort, and
you happen to have a gun, I mean, all the
police have guns. You can use that to defend yourself,
but you better well be prepared to prove that you
felt your life was in danger. That is what this
officer I'm sure is going to argue.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Okay, so I mean, I yet I'd watched the video
you know, and I've seen what others have said that it.
You know, it looks like we have a right to
peaceful protest. We have a right to disagree with the
way things may be going.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And I'm in my fifties, and when I was in
my twenties, I I protested and I stood up for
things that I thought were important. Sure, and you know,
if if she was protesting or wanting to kind of
look at this Ice situation as you know, something that
she wanted to engage with and kind of bring to
(34:20):
light how they felt it was unfair, or they wanted
to even obstruct it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You know, she kind obstructed. No, you kind of obstruct it.
It would be as if you and I go out
and we're having a couple of drinks, okay, and you
get in the car and you were buzzed and you're
pulled over and I'm sober as a judge. I was
drinking diet Pepsi's and we get pulled over, and all
(34:47):
of a sudden, you decide that you're going to open
up the car door and hit the cop and you're
not going to allow him whatever. And I jump out
of the car and I defend you and we get
into an argument in a fight. Sophistical, you can't do that,
I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
But but at what point does legal lethal force come
into playing?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, they would you know the hypothetical that I put
out that let's say you and I jumped out and
we decided we wanted to tell the cop you know
you want to fight, We'll have a fight with you.
At that point, we're going to be arrested. Now, maybe
he's going to call for a backup. He I don't
think unless his life fears his life is in danger,
that he's going to shoot us. Okay, but you know,
(35:36):
depending upon his the circumstances, would have it been better
if he stepped out of the way and let her
drive off. Yeah, they could have gotten your license plate
and pulled her over later, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I mean, my point is, if you look at the video,
it looks to be appear that the wheels are tained
to the right to not go towards. If I know
that if I was driving towards someone to maliciously harm them,
I would point my car right at them, not out
of the way, first of all, And she was going
(36:10):
from reverse to a moving position to drive you know,
the video is has audio on it. You could hear things.
The tires are not screeching. That woman was not trying
to do zero to sixteen three point two seconds. She
was just trying to get out of the way. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, let's be honest. Okay, And again I'm not trying
to justify the shooting here. But when the police said
get out of the car, that puts in motion a
set of circumstances that you know, I wish you had
gotten out of the car.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, But Dan, you can see how anyone with this
whole ice situation when they say I would get out
of the car for a police officer, would I get
out of the car for an ice person. Maybe not, Dan,
I mean I'm in the US.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah. But what I'm trying to say to you is
that that you and I don't have that discretion. I mean,
if I said to you, Hey, if I get pulled
over by a Sadie tonight, my brother was a Stadie
many years ago. Uh, and I trust Stadies, I'll get
out of the car. But a Boston cop, no way.
I can't take that distinction. I can't have it that distinction.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
But we've seen repeatedly and people will say it's the
liberal media repeatedly. You know, I will say it ICE
behaving badly. You know, I mean we had, you know,
situations where US citizens have been brought in, driven around
the block for half an hour, and then dropped it
back off. You know, I mean, just like no due process,
(37:49):
no real understanding anything. Miranda rights?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No, what's that?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Are Miranda rights even red? When ICE takes you into custody?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
What once you were into custody and you're under arrest,
you will have your Miranda rights absolutely because if they
don't read the Miranda rights. Look, the bottom line is
this you would like Ice? Well, I'll ask you real quickly.
Should we just di spand Ice? Do you think do
you think that ICE is just a bad organization and
(38:20):
just get rid of ICE? Is that was just suggesting?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
No, what I'm suggesting is I think the way.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That should they get let me ask you this, should
they get out of Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I think it's flared up to a point where they
if they don't want the situation to go down the
steep slope of getting much worse. Yeah, I would probably
say I would make the move.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
So the next the next time, ye Okay, So therefore,
if you protest enough, and you you throw enough snowballs, uh,
and you you you yell and scream, et cetera, the
police are going to turn around and say, look, these
people don't want us here, let's leave. I don't think
that's the way it works. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Well, maybe a different approach needs to come to mind.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, I suspect you can always be considering different approaches.
One approach I have to consider is the approach of
the dead oclock news. Mark my great first time call.
I look forward to call number two. Thank you so much. Great,
I have a great night. Good night. Coming back on
Nightside right after the tenth
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