January 8, 2026 • 39 mins
On Wednesday of this week, a 37-year-old woman was fatally shot during a confrontation with an ICE agent in Minneapolis. In the wake of the shooting, protests have ensued in Minneapolis and other major U.S. cities. Dan Rea is back from vacation and spoke about all that has unfolded in Minneapolis and discussed the FBI investigation of this shooting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Foston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Get a little taste here of the response of the
political leaders. This is Mayor Jacob Prye. He's the mayor
of Minneapolis. Cut number fifteen.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I do have a message for our community, for our city,
and I have a message for Ice.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Two.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Ice, get the he out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We do not want you here. Your stated reason for
being in this city is to create some kind of safety,
and you are doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt,
families are being ripped apart. Long term Minneapolis residents that
have contributed so greatly to our city, to our culture,
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to our economy are being terrorized, and now somebody is dead.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
That's on you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So that's the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Prye. Here's the
Governor of Minnesota. Tim Walls.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Cut seventeen.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
From here on, I have a very simple message. We
do not need any further help from the federal government.
To Donald Trump and Christy Nome, You've done enough. There's
nothing more important than Minnesota and safety. I've issued a
warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard. We have
soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary.
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I remind you a warning order is a heads up
for folks. And these National Guard troops are our National
Guard troops. They're teachers in your community, their business owners,
their construction professionals, they are Minnesotans.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Today, Vice President Vance addressed a couple of issues. This
is a comment from the Vice president. This is cut
thirty one B.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
She was trying to ram this guy with this with
her car. He shot back, He defended himself. He's already
been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before. And everybody
who's been repeating the lie that this is some innocent
woman who was out for a drive in Minneapolis when
a law enforcement officer shot at her, you should be
ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Vian's also talked about the protection that the ice would
have from anyone in Minnesota who would try to prosecute
him Cup thirty two.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
The president here is very simple. You have a federal
law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's
a federal issue. That guy's protected by absolute immunity. He
was doing his job. The idea that Tim Walls and
a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are going to go
after and make this guy's life miserable because he was
doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous.
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The unprecedented thing is the idea that a local official
can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity. I've
never seen anything like that. It would get tossed out
by a judge. So what I'd like Minnesota to focus
on is the real issue that they're encouraging people. Minneapolis
officials are encouraging people to commit violence against ice officials.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Let's get back to the phones. Get Mark and Cambridge. Mark,
appreciate your patience. You were next up on right side.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Good, good evening, Dan, Hi, Mark, Happy New Year? Is
a long time no here?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well that's not my fault. I can't call you, but
you can call me any night. Go right ahead, Mark,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I'm gonna get way to the chase. Man, I mean,
like you said, like the other call, hast said, Well,
another gentleman, you get pulled over the piate police day
A should get out, Just step out. Don't get my
hard time, you know. I mean, it's tragic what happened
to this woman. And I've seen various clips of it,
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and I have to be honest with you, in my opinion,
it was justified. You take a four thousand pound come
and go forward. It's front of a law enforcement officer.
Just don't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, well you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You shouldn't take a four thousand pound vehicle and go
forward if anyone is there, but particularly a police officer
whose colleagues have told you to get out of the car,
and they also happen to be armed. I mean, there's
just a bunch of bad decisions all around, and I
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think that that we have to be careful that this
doesn't get out of control.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And as I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No matter what Tim Wall says or Jacob Fry, the
mayor of Minneapo Appleis says, federal immigration law is preempt
is pretty much preempted by the United States, according to
US versus Arizona of twenty twelve US Supreme Court case
in which primarily the the more liberal members overrode the
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actions of a conservative governor, Jan Brewer in Arizona and
also overrode the more conservative members of the Supreme Court
at the time.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Right, I got it, and I just wanted to say
that man. I mean like I got pulled over plenty
of times by the police. I never wear in my
mouth and that is the best chemistry I can give
to anyone. Yeah, I worked away with no tickets.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, first, first of all, if you're nice, your chances
of walking away without a ticket are worse yet getting
a warning. I've had my tickets and I've had my warnings,
and there have been police who I thought were totally unreasonable.
You know, you you blow through a yellow light when
no other traffic is around at one o'clock in the morning,
and you just got off your shift. All I want
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to do is go home. I didn't say to the
to the cop, hey I'm a radio talk show guy.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a huge mistake too. You know, you just you
just say, hey, I went through the light.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
To be honest with you, I just got off work
and I probably shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And you know, like you know, when you were a kid.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
One of the things I learned from a kid is
it as a kid that if they said, hey, did
you make that mess on the floor, or did you
did you you know, do that to the door whatever,
If you say, yeah, it was me, I'm sorry, it's
kind of disarming.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Governor de Paul Patrick fell Booklane had got him follow you.
I said, yeah, I'm with the Governor's office. I'm with
the governor.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah. That's never a good idea. That is never a
good idea in my opinion. All right, Martin, thank you
much for your call.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You for taking that call, Thank you for taking.
Speaker 8 (06:58):
It.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Happy to you to you as well, Thanks so much.
Six one seven thirty one line there. We got a
couple of lines open at six one seven, nine three,
one ten thirty. Uh, well two five for just filled.
So here's a tip. Six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. We'll get you on the radio. We're coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Next up on this Thursday night edition of Nightside. Feels
like a Monday to me because I haven't worked for
the last two weeks. Let me go to Rashid in Dorchester. Rashid,
welcome back to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
I'm good, Dan, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Want to get your take on what's been going on
in Minneapolis the last I guess thirty six hours.
Speaker 9 (07:46):
Have you ever seen the all of a twist movie
where he shows up with.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
The ball and he says, more, tell me more of
that more.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
I want more?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know why, because you don't mean you don't mean
more dead people, I hope.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
No, I mean more like action taken by law enforcement
to not only defend themselves, but to outlet these privileged,
especially white liberal people, who think that they could do
what they want to do. They could attack the police,
they could block in the police, and they and they
have free reign. They need to learn that there are
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consequences for their actions. And I think that's one thing
that the Trump administration has been utterly failing at. They
have been obviously these ice operations, sending the military into
these towns. They're trying to provoke.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
The left, and they are provoking the left. And the
thing about it is that you're either going to provoke
the left and do nothing and they will act worse,
or you are going to provoke the left and you're
going to crush them. So they have to make a decision.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
That video is clear number one, that woman has a
small child at home. Instead of taking care of her
small child, she was out protesting and blocking law enforcement
as they were going to go and remove somebody who
was either a rapist, a child molester, or somebody violent
who's in this country illegally that needs to go, she thought.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Rushed.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In fairness, there have been incidents. I don't know what
percentage of people who have been stopped. I saw one
videotape of a woman in Florida who was a US citizen.
She was driving a car of her boyfriend who was
here illegally. Uh, and and she put you are you
will argue that she put herself in that position. But
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you know, again, not every arrest has been perfect. Let's
put it like that.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
Yeah, but Dan, that's that there are people that get
pulled over. You have probably been pulled over, sure, and
they probably pulled you over because it's like, oh, you
know there's a car that probably mapped a description, or oh.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
You looked a little suspicious.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Are you mister Green? No, my name is Dan Ray.
Here's my license. Oh thank you, have a nice day, sir.
So I think that that is totally ridiculous that when
people say, oh, yeah, there's been Yes, there's been mistakes,
and the mistakes have been rectified. But I think since
obviously two thousand and two, when none of these liberals
had any issue, especially with Barack Obama, who deported more
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people than an US president, who had more ICE operations
in the interior than any US president, nobody had a problem.
Guess what do you know that President Trump's numbers are
worse than Joe Biden's. Do you know that Joe Biden
has supported more illegals amongst than.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The Trump administration.
Speaker 9 (10:39):
The deportation numbers are so embarrassing the Department of Homeland
Security stopped posting them. So let your liberal audience think
on that factoid.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, I got amazement. I know that you follow this
very closely. I'm not going to challenge you. That number
surprises me because even though President Biden have been deporting, certainly,
President Obama was called the quote unquote deporter in chief.
I'm familiar with that. I would not familiar with the
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fact that Biden was deporting people because he was if
he was deporting people, if it was an open door
policy to let a lot of people in who shouldn't
be in the country.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Well, Dan a slight correction on that. The reason why
we had an open border was because the Trump administration
had stay in Mexico, So stay in Mexico pretty much
was like, if you're going to come here and seek asylum,
instead of US releasing you into the country where you're
not going to show up to court, you have to
wait in Mexico until you have your trial, and when
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you have your trial granted asylum, you let in if
you're not going to go back. The Biden administration did
away with that, so everybody that's why they were called migrants,
and that's why there were people saying, well, these people
are legally here. Hypothetically, yes, they were legally here because
they seek the asylum route, and they and they flooded
the border once stay in Mexico was dropped, and then
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we had this crisis. Now, if you notice the borders closed,
which you know, is not really a big accomplishment, it's
pretty easy to do because when you tell people, hey,
you got to wait in Mexico until you have your
asylum hearing, you stop the influct of people coming in,
and obviously you put the military down there, you have
good border security. It wasn't like people thought that people
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were just jumping over the border.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Like it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
People were were exploiting the asylum moophole. And that's why
we had the problem.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But there were a lot of people who were just
walking over the border. I mean, we saw those videos.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
They were catching and releasing because of asylum like they do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That right, absolutely, that's why they stayed in the country.
Rashid is always a challenging phone call. I appreciate your
point of view. Thank you as always.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Thank you, Dan, talk to you.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So let's keep rolling here, Gonna go next to Tony.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It's Tony next on night side.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Even the first time it was true. So class, how
are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wait, sec, we're first time calling. Got to give you
a run the boss. Thank you very much. And we
were classmates at BLS. Did you say Boston Latin?
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Now Boston College? You're Boston College graduated right?
Speaker 11 (13:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, no, no, I went to Boston State College and
Boston University Law School.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Oh okay, I take it back.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
That's gay. My wife went to Boston College. So that's okay,
you go right ahead. It's a great school.
Speaker 12 (13:28):
No.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
The only problem I had, stand I understand. I'm all
for anyone here illegally transported, remove taken out of here.
No problems with that. The problem that I have. The
problem I have is that if you're in law enforcement,
you're speaking for Massachusetts. We are in law enforcement in Massachusetts.
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They have we aught laws that it did not allow
them to shoot it vehicles unless, of course, like every officer,
any shooting, you're going to hear the he words fear
for my life. It's easy to say that. The problem
I'm having is that for the Vice president to say
that the pret immunity, what happened to due process? You know,
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the accountability factor is that these guys, well.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He would argue, but just as a lawyer, he would
argue that immunity for a federal officer conducting, you know,
his a federal operation from prosecution by a state. Uh,
is the due process that the federal officer is allowed.
I mean, we'd often we mostly think about due process.
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You or I get arrested. Did I get my Miranda rights?
Or was there you know, was their probable cause? You
know that's but it goes the other way as well.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt, and I
just wanted to clarify that point.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
That's true. But but but basically to give me these
these ice agents the right to kill, and that's what
I have a problem with. You know if they know good.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And well, Tony, I don't mean to interrupt you for
a second time, and I apologize. I don't think that
the they have given ICE agents the right to kill.
There's been a lot of people arrested, There's been a
lot of protests out there, people have been arrested. This,
to the best of my knowledge, is the first clear
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shooting by an ICE officer. My understanding is that there
have been there have been people killed. There was a
guy who was hiding on a roof in California who
fell off the roof. But but I wouldn't consider that
to be an ICE homicidal though someone was saying if
ICE hadn't shown up, he wouldn't have climbed up on
a roof. So I don't think that ICE has said
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And I just want to make sure that we all
stay within bounds here, Tony.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Cut you off, but I don't think ICE has said
that their officers.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Hey, if you kill someone, no big deal. Go ahead, Tony.
I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Ahead, Okay. I want want to clarify that when I
said the right to kill, what I'm saying is that
a right to kill without being further investigated this situation here.
They should be If a Boston police officer gets involved
in a shooting and I know it's local not federal,
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the shooting, they take their officer's gun. Everybody's interviews is
investigated this case here, Who investigates ice and was shooting
like this FI? I think at the FBI, and like
I said, it's a handpicked person that was clear through
Senate of course. But at the same time, I think
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folks was angry and folks and why you have these
folk tests is that they feel like there is no accountability.
It's not going to be a fair process. I mean,
these guys they I'm a full law enforcement I want
to be clear on that, full law enforcement. If you
ordered to come out the car show your license, you
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should show your license. You should put your hands on
the war whatever the office for their safety and the
person operated safety. You should follow the law. And I
get that. But the problem that I have is that
except these these these officers number one, no name tags,
their face are covered up. So if you wanted to
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follow a complaint our eternal fairs complaint with officers here,
If you want to file a complaint against these officers,
number one, how do you identify them? How do you
identify who the officer is? Should they be allowed to
should they be allowed to be masked up?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah? Well, do you know why them? Do you know
why they are masked up? Or no?
Speaker 8 (17:49):
For their safety and their family safety.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What has happened is that that many on the left
in this country have decided it would be a great
idea if they can police officers get doxed. And you know,
at this point, there's there's there's a lot of emotion
with this, with this immigration situation, and unless we want
to turn around and say, hey, guess what, you know,
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Trump gets up tomorrow and says to the country, Hey,
I've decided we're not gonna you know, we're not gonna uh,
We're going to suspend the use of ice. We're not
going to deport people who are here illegally. Uh, despite
the fact that that's what the the vote in twenty
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twenty four suggests that. I think most people realize that
was one of the issues on the ballot. So I
don't think he's going to do that, Tony, But.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Damn you know, and I'm asking you for your opinion. Yeah,
should this, should this situation be investigated further. Should the
investigation just be stopped?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
And I think this.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Should be no, No, I'll get you an answer. I
think this should be an investigation. There's plenty of videotape
to look at here and the FBI. Who I am
not a big fan of the FBI. You know, I
was involved in going after f the FBI in the
nineteen nineties when I found out that they had some
corrupt FBI agents had put innocent individuals in prison. If
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you're not familiar with that case, look it up. I've
got four men out of prison who had been wrongfully
and intentionally convicted by correct FBI agents. However, however, you
do not normally have states or city prosecutors going after
federal officials when they're functioning in the conduct of their
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authority as federal officials. Look, I hit the ten o'clock
ten thirty, and I've kept you over a couple of minutes.
I've really enjoyed the call. I hope you'll continue to call.
I think you raised questions. Yeah, go ahead, I'm saying
I think you raised really good questions. I don't have
the answers for every question you've phraised, but I think
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it's going to cause.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
People to think, well, I just want to fair and
open investigation, and I think that's what the people protested.
That's all they want. It's just fair inequity and just
folks haill accountable for law enforcement. You're doing a great job, Dan,
And we all are Americans. The ones who put their
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hands over there high and they are born here. We're
all Americans. And I just wish that at some point
we all come to that Democrats Republic.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I would like nothing more.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It seems, Tony, the only time that we come together
is a nation when there's been some sort of like
nine to eleven attack or of Boston bombing. And it's
too bad that that is what it takes to bring
us together as a country. I just think that, you know, well,
I've expressed myself, you've expressed yourself, and I really hope
you'll continue to be a caller to this program.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Well, no doubt, Dan, thank you very much, saying.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
My pleasure to talk to you soon. Coming that. Here's
the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Let skate rolling there.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Next up is Phil in Pennsylvania, on Boston, excuse me, Phil?
Next on Nightside, Welcome, How you doing?
Speaker 8 (21:14):
We did?
Speaker 12 (21:14):
I've been thinking through this thing during the show. I thought,
the point is this thing is crazy. What what what
I'm suggesting is, and I know you're going to think them.
The bottom line is they that woman in that van,
who obviously shouldn't have been there whatever, is traveling around
harassing these people. These people were trying to grab these guys. Now,
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my suggestion is, I know I'm gonna get why don't
they know the problem there? They they can't get a
houler cover and toe of that. How about like them
chalk blocks on all of her tires where she can't move,
get rid of her, put a lot of put it out.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Of the equation.
Speaker 12 (21:59):
I mean, she said, you know. On the other hand,
he would say, well she sped as you were able
to jump over the chalk block and kill most people.
So I'm probably gonna be wrong there too.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Wait, wait, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When you say chalk blocks, you're talking about throw a
block in front of each of the tires.
Speaker 12 (22:16):
I saw what happened years ago. What I when I
say double I saw them recently. This chalk blocks of
the front tire and also one connected to the same tire,
so she can't go forward up backward. But she's gonna
maybe maybe they get like ice got ice guys, Yeah,
put on both sides. You can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, well, what you know if you want to talk,
I mean, what they could have done?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I guess you could have shot out the four tires,
but you sell.
Speaker 12 (22:45):
My first thought, but done.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But then you don't know where bullets ricochet. You don't know. Look,
the bottom line is.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
They and I want to know more because there's a
lot more to know here because I've heard some references
and I don't know if they're true or not. And
I'm not going to get into details on it. But
how much what got her there? Did she just get?
Was this a woman who was driving her car down
the street and all of a sudden got confused and
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you know, be like you're driving somewhere and you find
yourself there's a police changer. It could happen. So I
want to know if that happened. If that happens, then
that calls into question why the authorities were as aggressive
as they were when they approached her, and why did
she flee? I mean, the authorities went right to the
car and basically said ordering a get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Get out of the car.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And they actually one of the ice officers tried to
unlatch the door from inside because the window was rolled down.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You know, look, no.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
One celebrates what happened in this woman. No one celebrates anyone,
you know, in this situation. But anybody who thinks that
ice is going to go away, I think is mistaken.
It is it's going to be a You listen to
Vice President Vance today and it's pretty clear that they
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feel pretty confident. Let me play one thing for you.
I want you to.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
React to this.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, this is a soundcut of Vice President Advance cut
thirty one.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
A please.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
What that headline leaves out is that that woman has
is part of a broader left wing network to attack,
to docks, to assault and to make it impossible for
our ice officers to do their job. If the media
wants to tell the truth, they ought to tell the
truth that a group of left wing radicals have been
working tiresly, sometimes using domestic terror techniques to try to
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make it impossible for the President of the United States
to do what the American people elected him to do,
which is enforce our immigration laws. The President stands with Ice,
I stand with Ice, We stand with all of our
law enforcement officers. And part of that is recognizing that
you people in the media, not everybody in this room,
but many people in this room have been lying about
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this attack. She was trying to ram this guy with
this with her car. He shot back, He defended himself.
He's already been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before.
And everybody who's been repeating the lie that this is
some innocent woman who was out for a drive in
Minneapolis when a law enforcement officer shot at her. You
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should be ashamed of yourselves, every single one of you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No ambivalence there, phil He he made a lot of
statements that I do not know to be true.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
They may be true, but but but it should all
out of.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Apparently, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I looked at the back of that car and it
looked to me like it was a Minnesota license plate.
I don't know that I had heard she just moved in,
that she leaves. I've heard that she leaves a wife
and one child, or a wife and three children. So
the bottom line is there are people who and I
know her dad was interviewed by the new CBS anchor
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de Coopo and look, no matter, there are people tonight,
family and friends that are mourning her death. And we shouldn't.
We can't be, you know, insensitive to that. Whatever bad
decisions were made.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But I want to know. I want to know the
whole story.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, I've seen the videotape, but I also want to
know the whole story.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
And never gonna end. It's going to get worse and worse,
and it's going to encourage more people to the same thing.
It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, okay, all right, Phil, Look, I appreciate your call.
I appreciate your reaction. I hope you're wrong. I hope
it doesn't get worse and worse. It'll be interesting to
see what happens there. Apparently it was a shooting, a
double shooting tonight in Portland, Oregon that I know. The
news department is reporting the two people were wounded by
ice officers tonight in Portland.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
In Utah, can I ask you a question before? Just
one question? And this shooting at Brown University. The gentleman
went whatever he did, then he went to Brookline whatever
did what he did? First of all, how did he
know that gym was gonna be at the apartment? And
(27:27):
when the Brooks play like work perfect for him? And
why isn't their mention of gun control? This guy had
two nine millimeters you know, Phil.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'll tell you one quick answer. It was nine o'clock
at night. He may have scoped out the house. He
may have known what type of car the guy drove.
I have no way of knowing that. Clearly he targeted
this guy. He targeted the students at Brown, not because
of whom they were, but the fact that they were,
that they were students, that was his motivations. But I
don't want to get off on that tonight. That a
(27:59):
good point, Thanksville, talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Good night. Let me go to Linda in Weymouth. Linda,
you're next one night.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
Saga right ahead, an idea interest all. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Thank you, Linda, appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I agree with you. As I'm waiting for you to
to for me to be on there. I have my
TV down, but I'm watching and I didn't see a
video that showed that ice agent in front of the car.
I only saw the the other one. Somehow I missed
(28:32):
that so well, well, there is no.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The two officers who got out of the car, they
drove up on her again. The car was across the
there wasn an intersection. She was across both lanes of traffic,
and traffic had apparently been stopped. And whether or not
she did that intentionally or unintentionally, we will find out eventually.
(28:57):
But there was another officer, the officer who actually did
the shooting, who walked from a different direction behind the car.
Then he circled the car, going from the right rear
to the right front and then across the front of
the car. He had his cell phone camera. He was
taking video and then when she when she did not
get out of the car, he withdrew his weapon and
(29:19):
then when she moved forward he shot.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
They were total of three.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Times three Okay, all right, Yeah, I didn't see that
until until you just explained.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
That to me.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
But I the Ice agents are trying to do their job,
and obviously we don't know the whole story, and we're
just going upon what little clip that we see, and
it was only in that moment. We don't know what
was occurring before. Like you said, we don't know what
she was doing there, what they knew about her or
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were they just trying to get get her to move
and she was defying them and she was trying to
get away, And that I used the opposite was in
front and he was protecting himself. That this is what
I saw. However, However, I would like to know more.
I would like to know more.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I've definitely want to know more, and I want and
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
More as as soon as possible, because the more that
this festers, the more the questions need to be answered.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Okay they do. And it doesn't matter what point of
view you have on this.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Some people might come to this situation assuming that this
was a cold blooded shooting. Others might come to it
and say, look, this guy was, he was in desperate
fear of his life. The pictures are there, but also
what might have led up to it, what had what
was going on? There were people there attempting to obstruct
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what I is doing. The Supreme Court, in their decision
in twenty twelve, which I alluded to earlier, basically says
clearly that federal authority preempts all state authority. There was
a governor in Arizona, Jan Brewer, who tried to impose
some new regulations, immigration regulations, and if if federal authority
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preempts it, what the immigration enforcement is doing is legal,
it's not illegal. If they do things that are improper,
that's a different story. But again, there's a certain amount
of people in this country who frankly do not like
ICE and do not want anyone deported irrespective, and if
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they would, they would love to have ICE stand back
and reopen the borders. That's not going to happen, okay,
but ICE has to has to conduct themselves within the
context of the Laura as well.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
Okay, exactly exactly. And the mayor, uh, he isn't very
supportive of them, so all these people he's fueling, so
the mayor, the.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Mayor and the governor have not been cooperative, have been supportive.
Uh that There's a whole thing going on out there
too with a federal investigation of fraud dealing with federal moneies.
So there's a lot of pressure on everybody in Minnesota
tonight and again doing the show, I have no idea
what's going on in Minnesota tonight. Hopefully, you know, tensions
(32:33):
can can calm down a little bit. I hope they
don't get any worse.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Linda I gotta run.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm up at pastory break. Thank you for the call.
I got you before the break.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Thanks Linda, Thanks again, goodnight, good night.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We'll be back on nightside. Only one line six one
seven ninety. That's the only lines that's available. Don't want
you to try the others because they're busy. We're coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
All right again.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Picked the pace up a little bit here. Let's go
to John and denhim. John, you next up in nights.
I get you in here before the news.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Go ahead, John, Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I don't know if you do. You know, but at
off with your show is needed while all this stuff
is going on.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Well i'm here.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
If they told me about Caracas ahead of time or
they told I might have stayed.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But no, you're gonna take some time off. But thank you.
It's a very kind comic.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Go ahead, John, I'm gonna try to get to the
success can. I think there's no doubt in my mind
we're heading for civil war. I think the Democrats and
more progressives, I mean they don't even not Democrats are progressives.
They only believe in violence. They talk about whether Schumer, Humphreys.
They talk about democracy, Trump, Republicans, you're a threat to democracy.
Yet last election, democracy said we want to do legals out,
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we want the boarder close. True, and they don't like it.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I can't disagree with you. I can't disagree with you
on the results of the election. They carried Congress, they
carried both houses. They the House, the Senate, uh and
and the White House.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
And democracy to pick their own candidates.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean the Democrats. They they bet their money
on an old and I think enfeebled president. And they
they should have had open primaries and there would have
been a different nominee and the election might have resulted differently.
Speaker 12 (34:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
They basically, you know, they had a quarterback who couldn't
throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And they had the quarterback hand off the ball to
a halfback who didn't have much.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Of an arm either. And they and you know, they, I.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Hate to put it in a sports reference, but they
they blew The Democrats blew it in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
I mean, again, I don't know what the heck happened
to that party. It's just a I don't want to
waste time talking about them, but I'll say this I
mean listening to Wall's talk. You know he talks about uh,
you know, he watched away for the investigation to come
to let it playoff. But you've already called the guy
a murderer. Yeah. It reminds me of when Obama said
(35:15):
Cambridge police acted stupidly before he had any facts at all.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
And and I think I think the president you got
to give him his due. He was smart enough to
invite Officer Crowley and Henry Lewis Gates to the White
House for the so called beer Summit. It was as
close as President Obama could have come to an apology
to Officer Crowley.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Definitely damage control there. And I know when when Charlie
Kirk got shot, right to the best of my knowledge,
he never physically threatened anybody. He got shot in cold blood,
just having a conversation. There was no outcry of innocent
human being getting murdered. In fact, some of the people
said it was deserved.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
There were there were some just some just just just
reputable comments.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
No, no question when we had like illegal killing the
woman in Texas, whether Narrison, Georgia or Baltimore or why
are we never heard about an innocent person getting murdered.
Yet in this case, this woman. You know, let's let's
invest this playoff. But base on what I hear, he
was doing a lot more prior to this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, again, I don't want to get into that right now,
because frankly, I want to make sure any information that
I put out on.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
This program is accurate. That's all.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So I mean, I've I've you know, I've heard some
of the same things you have, uh, and generally your
instinct might be correct, but let's uh, let's let it
play out.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Let's let's let it play play out. So you don't
don't be called. You've already called this guy murderer. You know,
if you're gonna get a you're gonna get a vice
jury now if it comes down to that. Hopefully nothing
comes down to that. But something else I want to say,
Walsh said about hit his job to protect Minnesota's Why
(37:05):
weren't any any police here? This thing was going on
for hours before this happened. Why wasn't there any Minnesota
State police there or even local police?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, I think that the decisions were made and the
same situation has been in other states. In Illinois and
local police were kept at a distance. At a minimum, John,
let me let me scoot. I'm gonna try to get
one more in here. Okay, thank you, my friend, keep
calling the show.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Thank you. Happy New Year. Let me go to Jim. Jim.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I'm gonna hold you over, but I'll give you a
minute here just to get going, and I'll hold you
over through the newscast.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
You've waited a long time.
Speaker 13 (37:42):
Go right ahead, Hidan, first time, cal of First of all.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, well I've had a bunch of first I calls tonight,
and I'm very gratified.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Go right ahead, Jim, thank you for calling.
Speaker 13 (37:52):
I'll be quick. I mean, I did vote for Trump.
I generally support the operation and support law and enforcement.
But first of all, I think Vance was a bit
of a bully today seeing that somebody died, and he
just came across as just totally unfeeling towards this woman.
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That's my first point. I'll be quick on my second point.
I didn't think anybody I saw the video one hundred times.
I sat home and I watched it. Nobody's life was
in danger from that car. She cut her tires. A
ninety year old person could have moved away from that car.
Take a picture of a license plate, get her information,
(38:42):
go to her house, and do what you gotta do.
There's no reason that woman should be dead.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
All right, Look, I'll be happy to continue this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
If you want to hold through the news, I'd be
more than happy to give you another minute or two. Okay, sure,
thank you. To stay right there, don't. You'll be first
up right after the eleven o'clock news. The only line
opened six point seven two, five, four, ten thirty
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Foston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Get a little taste here of the response of the
political leaders. This is Mayor Jacob Prye. He's the mayor
of Minneapolis. Cut number fifteen.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I do have a message for our community, for our city,
and I have a message for Ice.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Two.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Ice, get the he out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We do not want you here. Your stated reason for
being in this city is to create some kind of safety,
and you are doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt,
families are being ripped apart. Long term Minneapolis residents that
have contributed so greatly to our city, to our culture,
(00:50):
to our economy are being terrorized, and now somebody is dead.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
That's on you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So that's the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Prye. Here's the
Governor of Minnesota. Tim Walls.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Cut seventeen.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
From here on, I have a very simple message. We
do not need any further help from the federal government.
To Donald Trump and Christy Nome, You've done enough. There's
nothing more important than Minnesota and safety. I've issued a
warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard. We have
soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary.
(01:25):
I remind you a warning order is a heads up
for folks. And these National Guard troops are our National
Guard troops. They're teachers in your community, their business owners,
their construction professionals, they are Minnesotans.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Today, Vice President Vance addressed a couple of issues. This
is a comment from the Vice president. This is cut
thirty one B.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
She was trying to ram this guy with this with
her car. He shot back, He defended himself. He's already
been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before. And everybody
who's been repeating the lie that this is some innocent
woman who was out for a drive in Minneapolis when
a law enforcement officer shot at her, you should be
ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Vian's also talked about the protection that the ice would
have from anyone in Minnesota who would try to prosecute
him Cup thirty two.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
The president here is very simple. You have a federal
law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's
a federal issue. That guy's protected by absolute immunity. He
was doing his job. The idea that Tim Walls and
a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are going to go
after and make this guy's life miserable because he was
doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous.
(02:49):
The unprecedented thing is the idea that a local official
can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity. I've
never seen anything like that. It would get tossed out
by a judge. So what I'd like Minnesota to focus
on is the real issue that they're encouraging people. Minneapolis
officials are encouraging people to commit violence against ice officials.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Let's get back to the phones. Get Mark and Cambridge. Mark,
appreciate your patience. You were next up on right side.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Good, good evening, Dan, Hi, Mark, Happy New Year? Is
a long time no here?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well that's not my fault. I can't call you, but
you can call me any night. Go right ahead, Mark,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I'm gonna get way to the chase. Man, I mean,
like you said, like the other call, hast said, Well,
another gentleman, you get pulled over the piate police day
A should get out, Just step out. Don't get my
hard time, you know. I mean, it's tragic what happened
to this woman. And I've seen various clips of it,
(03:53):
and I have to be honest with you, in my opinion,
it was justified. You take a four thousand pound come
and go forward. It's front of a law enforcement officer.
Just don't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, well you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You shouldn't take a four thousand pound vehicle and go
forward if anyone is there, but particularly a police officer
whose colleagues have told you to get out of the car,
and they also happen to be armed. I mean, there's
just a bunch of bad decisions all around, and I
(04:31):
think that that we have to be careful that this
doesn't get out of control.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And as I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No matter what Tim Wall says or Jacob Fry, the
mayor of Minneapo Appleis says, federal immigration law is preempt
is pretty much preempted by the United States, according to
US versus Arizona of twenty twelve US Supreme Court case
in which primarily the the more liberal members overrode the
(05:03):
actions of a conservative governor, Jan Brewer in Arizona and
also overrode the more conservative members of the Supreme Court
at the time.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Right, I got it, and I just wanted to say
that man. I mean like I got pulled over plenty
of times by the police. I never wear in my
mouth and that is the best chemistry I can give
to anyone. Yeah, I worked away with no tickets.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, first, first of all, if you're nice, your chances
of walking away without a ticket are worse yet getting
a warning. I've had my tickets and I've had my warnings,
and there have been police who I thought were totally unreasonable.
You know, you you blow through a yellow light when
no other traffic is around at one o'clock in the morning,
and you just got off your shift. All I want
(05:48):
to do is go home. I didn't say to the
to the cop, hey I'm a radio talk show guy.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a huge mistake too. You know, you just you
just say, hey, I went through the light.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
To be honest with you, I just got off work
and I probably shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And you know, like you know, when you were a kid.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
One of the things I learned from a kid is
it as a kid that if they said, hey, did
you make that mess on the floor, or did you
did you you know, do that to the door whatever,
If you say, yeah, it was me, I'm sorry, it's
kind of disarming.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Governor de Paul Patrick fell Booklane had got him follow you.
I said, yeah, I'm with the Governor's office. I'm with
the governor.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah. That's never a good idea. That is never a
good idea in my opinion. All right, Martin, thank you
much for your call.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
You for taking that call, Thank you for taking.
Speaker 8 (06:58):
It.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Happy to you to you as well, Thanks so much.
Six one seven thirty one line there. We got a
couple of lines open at six one seven, nine three,
one ten thirty. Uh, well two five for just filled.
So here's a tip. Six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. We'll get you on the radio. We're coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Next up on this Thursday night edition of Nightside. Feels
like a Monday to me because I haven't worked for
the last two weeks. Let me go to Rashid in Dorchester. Rashid,
welcome back to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
I'm good, Dan, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Want to get your take on what's been going on
in Minneapolis the last I guess thirty six hours.
Speaker 9 (07:46):
Have you ever seen the all of a twist movie
where he shows up with.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
The ball and he says, more, tell me more of
that more.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
I want more?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know why, because you don't mean you don't mean
more dead people, I hope.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
No, I mean more like action taken by law enforcement
to not only defend themselves, but to outlet these privileged,
especially white liberal people, who think that they could do
what they want to do. They could attack the police,
they could block in the police, and they and they
have free reign. They need to learn that there are
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consequences for their actions. And I think that's one thing
that the Trump administration has been utterly failing at. They
have been obviously these ice operations, sending the military into
these towns. They're trying to provoke.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
The left, and they are provoking the left. And the
thing about it is that you're either going to provoke
the left and do nothing and they will act worse,
or you are going to provoke the left and you're
going to crush them. So they have to make a decision.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
That video is clear number one, that woman has a
small child at home. Instead of taking care of her
small child, she was out protesting and blocking law enforcement
as they were going to go and remove somebody who
was either a rapist, a child molester, or somebody violent
who's in this country illegally that needs to go, she thought.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Rushed.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In fairness, there have been incidents. I don't know what
percentage of people who have been stopped. I saw one
videotape of a woman in Florida who was a US citizen.
She was driving a car of her boyfriend who was
here illegally. Uh, and and she put you are you
will argue that she put herself in that position. But
(09:40):
you know, again, not every arrest has been perfect. Let's
put it like that.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
Yeah, but Dan, that's that there are people that get
pulled over. You have probably been pulled over, sure, and
they probably pulled you over because it's like, oh, you
know there's a car that probably mapped a description, or oh.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
You looked a little suspicious.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Are you mister Green? No, my name is Dan Ray.
Here's my license. Oh thank you, have a nice day, sir.
So I think that that is totally ridiculous that when
people say, oh, yeah, there's been Yes, there's been mistakes,
and the mistakes have been rectified. But I think since
obviously two thousand and two, when none of these liberals
had any issue, especially with Barack Obama, who deported more
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people than an US president, who had more ICE operations
in the interior than any US president, nobody had a problem.
Guess what do you know that President Trump's numbers are
worse than Joe Biden's. Do you know that Joe Biden
has supported more illegals amongst than.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
The Trump administration.
Speaker 9 (10:39):
The deportation numbers are so embarrassing the Department of Homeland
Security stopped posting them. So let your liberal audience think
on that factoid.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, I got amazement. I know that you follow this
very closely. I'm not going to challenge you. That number
surprises me because even though President Biden have been deporting, certainly,
President Obama was called the quote unquote deporter in chief.
I'm familiar with that. I would not familiar with the
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fact that Biden was deporting people because he was if
he was deporting people, if it was an open door
policy to let a lot of people in who shouldn't
be in the country.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Well, Dan a slight correction on that. The reason why
we had an open border was because the Trump administration
had stay in Mexico, So stay in Mexico pretty much
was like, if you're going to come here and seek asylum,
instead of US releasing you into the country where you're
not going to show up to court, you have to
wait in Mexico until you have your trial, and when
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you have your trial granted asylum, you let in if
you're not going to go back. The Biden administration did
away with that, so everybody that's why they were called migrants,
and that's why there were people saying, well, these people
are legally here. Hypothetically, yes, they were legally here because
they seek the asylum route, and they and they flooded
the border once stay in Mexico was dropped, and then
(12:03):
we had this crisis. Now, if you notice the borders closed,
which you know, is not really a big accomplishment, it's
pretty easy to do because when you tell people, hey,
you got to wait in Mexico until you have your
asylum hearing, you stop the influct of people coming in,
and obviously you put the military down there, you have
good border security. It wasn't like people thought that people
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were just jumping over the border.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Like it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
People were were exploiting the asylum moophole. And that's why
we had the problem.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But there were a lot of people who were just
walking over the border. I mean, we saw those videos.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
They were catching and releasing because of asylum like they do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That right, absolutely, that's why they stayed in the country.
Rashid is always a challenging phone call. I appreciate your
point of view. Thank you as always.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Thank you, Dan, talk to you.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So let's keep rolling here, Gonna go next to Tony.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It's Tony next on night side.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Even the first time it was true. So class, how
are you doing?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wait, sec, we're first time calling. Got to give you
a run the boss. Thank you very much. And we
were classmates at BLS. Did you say Boston Latin?
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Now Boston College? You're Boston College graduated right?
Speaker 11 (13:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No, no, no, I went to Boston State College and
Boston University Law School.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Oh okay, I take it back.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
That's gay. My wife went to Boston College. So that's okay,
you go right ahead. It's a great school.
Speaker 12 (13:28):
No.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
The only problem I had, stand I understand. I'm all
for anyone here illegally transported, remove taken out of here.
No problems with that. The problem that I have. The
problem I have is that if you're in law enforcement,
you're speaking for Massachusetts. We are in law enforcement in Massachusetts.
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They have we aught laws that it did not allow
them to shoot it vehicles unless, of course, like every officer,
any shooting, you're going to hear the he words fear
for my life. It's easy to say that. The problem
I'm having is that for the Vice president to say
that the pret immunity, what happened to due process? You know,
(14:14):
the accountability factor is that these guys, well.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He would argue, but just as a lawyer, he would
argue that immunity for a federal officer conducting, you know,
his a federal operation from prosecution by a state. Uh,
is the due process that the federal officer is allowed.
I mean, we'd often we mostly think about due process.
(14:39):
You or I get arrested. Did I get my Miranda rights?
Or was there you know, was their probable cause? You
know that's but it goes the other way as well.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
So go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt, and I
just wanted to clarify that point.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
That's true. But but but basically to give me these
these ice agents the right to kill, and that's what
I have a problem with. You know if they know good.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And well, Tony, I don't mean to interrupt you for
a second time, and I apologize. I don't think that
the they have given ICE agents the right to kill.
There's been a lot of people arrested, There's been a
lot of protests out there, people have been arrested. This,
to the best of my knowledge, is the first clear
(15:26):
shooting by an ICE officer. My understanding is that there
have been there have been people killed. There was a
guy who was hiding on a roof in California who
fell off the roof. But but I wouldn't consider that
to be an ICE homicidal though someone was saying if
ICE hadn't shown up, he wouldn't have climbed up on
a roof. So I don't think that ICE has said
(15:47):
And I just want to make sure that we all
stay within bounds here, Tony.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Cut you off, but I don't think ICE has said
that their officers.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Hey, if you kill someone, no big deal. Go ahead, Tony.
I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Ahead, Okay. I want want to clarify that when I
said the right to kill, what I'm saying is that
a right to kill without being further investigated this situation here.
They should be If a Boston police officer gets involved
in a shooting and I know it's local not federal,
(16:19):
the shooting, they take their officer's gun. Everybody's interviews is
investigated this case here, Who investigates ice and was shooting
like this FI? I think at the FBI, and like
I said, it's a handpicked person that was clear through
Senate of course. But at the same time, I think
(16:41):
folks was angry and folks and why you have these
folk tests is that they feel like there is no accountability.
It's not going to be a fair process. I mean,
these guys they I'm a full law enforcement I want
to be clear on that, full law enforcement. If you
ordered to come out the car show your license, you
(17:02):
should show your license. You should put your hands on
the war whatever the office for their safety and the
person operated safety. You should follow the law. And I
get that. But the problem that I have is that
except these these these officers number one, no name tags,
their face are covered up. So if you wanted to
(17:23):
follow a complaint our eternal fairs complaint with officers here,
If you want to file a complaint against these officers,
number one, how do you identify them? How do you
identify who the officer is? Should they be allowed to
should they be allowed to be masked up?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah? Well, do you know why them? Do you know
why they are masked up? Or no?
Speaker 8 (17:49):
For their safety and their family safety.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What has happened is that that many on the left
in this country have decided it would be a great
idea if they can police officers get doxed. And you know,
at this point, there's there's there's a lot of emotion
with this, with this immigration situation, and unless we want
to turn around and say, hey, guess what, you know,
(18:12):
Trump gets up tomorrow and says to the country, Hey,
I've decided we're not gonna you know, we're not gonna uh,
We're going to suspend the use of ice. We're not
going to deport people who are here illegally. Uh, despite
the fact that that's what the the vote in twenty
(18:34):
twenty four suggests that. I think most people realize that
was one of the issues on the ballot. So I
don't think he's going to do that, Tony, But.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Damn you know, and I'm asking you for your opinion. Yeah,
should this, should this situation be investigated further. Should the
investigation just be stopped?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
And I think this.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Should be no, No, I'll get you an answer. I
think this should be an investigation. There's plenty of videotape
to look at here and the FBI. Who I am
not a big fan of the FBI. You know, I
was involved in going after f the FBI in the
nineteen nineties when I found out that they had some
corrupt FBI agents had put innocent individuals in prison. If
(19:19):
you're not familiar with that case, look it up. I've
got four men out of prison who had been wrongfully
and intentionally convicted by correct FBI agents. However, however, you
do not normally have states or city prosecutors going after
federal officials when they're functioning in the conduct of their
(19:41):
authority as federal officials. Look, I hit the ten o'clock
ten thirty, and I've kept you over a couple of minutes.
I've really enjoyed the call. I hope you'll continue to call.
I think you raised questions. Yeah, go ahead, I'm saying
I think you raised really good questions. I don't have
the answers for every question you've phraised, but I think
(20:03):
it's going to cause.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
People to think, well, I just want to fair and
open investigation, and I think that's what the people protested.
That's all they want. It's just fair inequity and just
folks haill accountable for law enforcement. You're doing a great job, Dan,
And we all are Americans. The ones who put their
(20:24):
hands over there high and they are born here. We're
all Americans. And I just wish that at some point
we all come to that Democrats Republic.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I would like nothing more.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It seems, Tony, the only time that we come together
is a nation when there's been some sort of like
nine to eleven attack or of Boston bombing. And it's
too bad that that is what it takes to bring
us together as a country. I just think that, you know, well,
I've expressed myself, you've expressed yourself, and I really hope
you'll continue to be a caller to this program.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Well, no doubt, Dan, thank you very much, saying.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
My pleasure to talk to you soon. Coming that. Here's
the news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Let skate rolling there.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Next up is Phil in Pennsylvania, on Boston, excuse me, Phil?
Next on Nightside, Welcome, How you doing?
Speaker 8 (21:14):
We did?
Speaker 12 (21:14):
I've been thinking through this thing during the show. I thought,
the point is this thing is crazy. What what what
I'm suggesting is, and I know you're going to think them.
The bottom line is they that woman in that van,
who obviously shouldn't have been there whatever, is traveling around
harassing these people. These people were trying to grab these guys. Now,
(21:38):
my suggestion is, I know I'm gonna get why don't
they know the problem there? They they can't get a
houler cover and toe of that. How about like them
chalk blocks on all of her tires where she can't move,
get rid of her, put a lot of put it out.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Of the equation.
Speaker 12 (21:59):
I mean, she said, you know. On the other hand,
he would say, well she sped as you were able
to jump over the chalk block and kill most people.
So I'm probably gonna be wrong there too.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Wait, wait, wait a second.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When you say chalk blocks, you're talking about throw a
block in front of each of the tires.
Speaker 12 (22:16):
I saw what happened years ago. What I when I
say double I saw them recently. This chalk blocks of
the front tire and also one connected to the same tire,
so she can't go forward up backward. But she's gonna
maybe maybe they get like ice got ice guys, Yeah,
put on both sides. You can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, well, what you know if you want to talk,
I mean, what they could have done?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I guess you could have shot out the four tires,
but you sell.
Speaker 12 (22:45):
My first thought, but done.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
But then you don't know where bullets ricochet. You don't know. Look,
the bottom line is.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
They and I want to know more because there's a
lot more to know here because I've heard some references
and I don't know if they're true or not. And
I'm not going to get into details on it. But
how much what got her there? Did she just get?
Was this a woman who was driving her car down
the street and all of a sudden got confused and
(23:14):
you know, be like you're driving somewhere and you find
yourself there's a police changer. It could happen. So I
want to know if that happened. If that happens, then
that calls into question why the authorities were as aggressive
as they were when they approached her, and why did
she flee? I mean, the authorities went right to the
car and basically said ordering a get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Get out of the car.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And they actually one of the ice officers tried to
unlatch the door from inside because the window was rolled down.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You know, look, no.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
One celebrates what happened in this woman. No one celebrates anyone,
you know, in this situation. But anybody who thinks that
ice is going to go away, I think is mistaken.
It is it's going to be a You listen to
Vice President Vance today and it's pretty clear that they
(24:06):
feel pretty confident. Let me play one thing for you.
I want you to.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
React to this.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, this is a soundcut of Vice President Advance cut
thirty one.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
A please.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
What that headline leaves out is that that woman has
is part of a broader left wing network to attack,
to docks, to assault and to make it impossible for
our ice officers to do their job. If the media
wants to tell the truth, they ought to tell the
truth that a group of left wing radicals have been
working tiresly, sometimes using domestic terror techniques to try to
(24:43):
make it impossible for the President of the United States
to do what the American people elected him to do,
which is enforce our immigration laws. The President stands with Ice,
I stand with Ice, We stand with all of our
law enforcement officers. And part of that is recognizing that
you people in the media, not everybody in this room,
but many people in this room have been lying about
(25:04):
this attack. She was trying to ram this guy with
this with her car. He shot back, He defended himself.
He's already been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before.
And everybody who's been repeating the lie that this is
some innocent woman who was out for a drive in
Minneapolis when a law enforcement officer shot at her. You
(25:24):
should be ashamed of yourselves, every single one of you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
No ambivalence there, phil He he made a lot of
statements that I do not know to be true.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
They may be true, but but but it should all
out of.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Apparently, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I looked at the back of that car and it
looked to me like it was a Minnesota license plate.
I don't know that I had heard she just moved in,
that she leaves. I've heard that she leaves a wife
and one child, or a wife and three children. So
the bottom line is there are people who and I
know her dad was interviewed by the new CBS anchor
(26:09):
de Coopo and look, no matter, there are people tonight,
family and friends that are mourning her death. And we shouldn't.
We can't be, you know, insensitive to that. Whatever bad
decisions were made.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But I want to know. I want to know the
whole story.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, I've seen the videotape, but I also want to
know the whole story.
Speaker 12 (26:32):
And never gonna end. It's going to get worse and worse,
and it's going to encourage more people to the same thing.
It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, okay, all right, Phil, Look, I appreciate your call.
I appreciate your reaction. I hope you're wrong. I hope
it doesn't get worse and worse. It'll be interesting to
see what happens there. Apparently it was a shooting, a
double shooting tonight in Portland, Oregon that I know. The
news department is reporting the two people were wounded by
ice officers tonight in Portland.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
In Utah, can I ask you a question before? Just
one question? And this shooting at Brown University. The gentleman
went whatever he did, then he went to Brookline whatever
did what he did? First of all, how did he
know that gym was gonna be at the apartment? And
(27:27):
when the Brooks play like work perfect for him? And
why isn't their mention of gun control? This guy had
two nine millimeters you know, Phil.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I'll tell you one quick answer. It was nine o'clock
at night. He may have scoped out the house. He
may have known what type of car the guy drove.
I have no way of knowing that. Clearly he targeted
this guy. He targeted the students at Brown, not because
of whom they were, but the fact that they were,
that they were students, that was his motivations. But I
don't want to get off on that tonight. That a
(27:59):
good point, Thanksville, talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Good night. Let me go to Linda in Weymouth. Linda,
you're next one night.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
Saga right ahead, an idea interest all. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Thank you, Linda, appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I agree with you. As I'm waiting for you to
to for me to be on there. I have my
TV down, but I'm watching and I didn't see a
video that showed that ice agent in front of the car.
I only saw the the other one. Somehow I missed
(28:32):
that so well, well, there is no.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The two officers who got out of the car, they
drove up on her again. The car was across the
there wasn an intersection. She was across both lanes of traffic,
and traffic had apparently been stopped. And whether or not
she did that intentionally or unintentionally, we will find out eventually.
(28:57):
But there was another officer, the officer who actually did
the shooting, who walked from a different direction behind the car.
Then he circled the car, going from the right rear
to the right front and then across the front of
the car. He had his cell phone camera. He was
taking video and then when she when she did not
get out of the car, he withdrew his weapon and
(29:19):
then when she moved forward he shot.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
They were total of three.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Times three Okay, all right, Yeah, I didn't see that
until until you just explained.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
That to me.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
But I the Ice agents are trying to do their job,
and obviously we don't know the whole story, and we're
just going upon what little clip that we see, and
it was only in that moment. We don't know what
was occurring before. Like you said, we don't know what
she was doing there, what they knew about her or
(29:58):
were they just trying to get get her to move
and she was defying them and she was trying to
get away, And that I used the opposite was in
front and he was protecting himself. That this is what
I saw. However, However, I would like to know more.
I would like to know more.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I've definitely want to know more, and I want and
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
More as as soon as possible, because the more that
this festers, the more the questions need to be answered.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Okay they do. And it doesn't matter what point of
view you have on this.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Some people might come to this situation assuming that this
was a cold blooded shooting. Others might come to it
and say, look, this guy was, he was in desperate
fear of his life. The pictures are there, but also
what might have led up to it, what had what
was going on? There were people there attempting to obstruct
(30:59):
what I is doing. The Supreme Court, in their decision
in twenty twelve, which I alluded to earlier, basically says
clearly that federal authority preempts all state authority. There was
a governor in Arizona, Jan Brewer, who tried to impose
some new regulations, immigration regulations, and if if federal authority
(31:24):
preempts it, what the immigration enforcement is doing is legal,
it's not illegal. If they do things that are improper,
that's a different story. But again, there's a certain amount
of people in this country who frankly do not like
ICE and do not want anyone deported irrespective, and if
(31:46):
they would, they would love to have ICE stand back
and reopen the borders. That's not going to happen, okay,
but ICE has to has to conduct themselves within the
context of the Laura as well.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
Okay, exactly exactly. And the mayor, uh, he isn't very
supportive of them, so all these people he's fueling, so
the mayor, the.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Mayor and the governor have not been cooperative, have been supportive.
Uh that There's a whole thing going on out there
too with a federal investigation of fraud dealing with federal moneies.
So there's a lot of pressure on everybody in Minnesota
tonight and again doing the show, I have no idea
what's going on in Minnesota tonight. Hopefully, you know, tensions
(32:33):
can can calm down a little bit. I hope they
don't get any worse.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Linda I gotta run.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm up at pastory break. Thank you for the call.
I got you before the break.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
Thanks Linda, Thanks again, goodnight, good night.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We'll be back on nightside. Only one line six one
seven ninety. That's the only lines that's available. Don't want
you to try the others because they're busy. We're coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
All right again.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Picked the pace up a little bit here. Let's go
to John and denhim. John, you next up in nights.
I get you in here before the news.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Go ahead, John, Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I don't know if you do. You know, but at
off with your show is needed while all this stuff
is going on.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Well i'm here.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
If they told me about Caracas ahead of time or
they told I might have stayed.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But no, you're gonna take some time off. But thank you.
It's a very kind comic.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Go ahead, John, I'm gonna try to get to the
success can. I think there's no doubt in my mind
we're heading for civil war. I think the Democrats and
more progressives, I mean they don't even not Democrats are progressives.
They only believe in violence. They talk about whether Schumer, Humphreys.
They talk about democracy, Trump, Republicans, you're a threat to democracy.
Yet last election, democracy said we want to do legals out,
(33:49):
we want the boarder close. True, and they don't like it.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I can't disagree with you. I can't disagree with you
on the results of the election. They carried Congress, they
carried both houses. They the House, the Senate, uh and
and the White House.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
And democracy to pick their own candidates.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean the Democrats. They they bet their money
on an old and I think enfeebled president. And they
they should have had open primaries and there would have
been a different nominee and the election might have resulted differently.
Speaker 12 (34:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
They basically, you know, they had a quarterback who couldn't
throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And they had the quarterback hand off the ball to
a halfback who didn't have much.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Of an arm either. And they and you know, they, I.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Hate to put it in a sports reference, but they
they blew The Democrats blew it in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
I mean, again, I don't know what the heck happened
to that party. It's just a I don't want to
waste time talking about them, but I'll say this I
mean listening to Wall's talk. You know he talks about uh,
you know, he watched away for the investigation to come
to let it playoff. But you've already called the guy
a murderer. Yeah. It reminds me of when Obama said
(35:15):
Cambridge police acted stupidly before he had any facts at all.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
And and I think I think the president you got
to give him his due. He was smart enough to
invite Officer Crowley and Henry Lewis Gates to the White
House for the so called beer Summit. It was as
close as President Obama could have come to an apology
to Officer Crowley.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Definitely damage control there. And I know when when Charlie
Kirk got shot, right to the best of my knowledge,
he never physically threatened anybody. He got shot in cold blood,
just having a conversation. There was no outcry of innocent
human being getting murdered. In fact, some of the people
said it was deserved.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
There were there were some just some just just just
reputable comments.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
No, no question when we had like illegal killing the
woman in Texas, whether Narrison, Georgia or Baltimore or why
are we never heard about an innocent person getting murdered.
Yet in this case, this woman. You know, let's let's
invest this playoff. But base on what I hear, he
was doing a lot more prior to this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, again, I don't want to get into that right now,
because frankly, I want to make sure any information that
I put out on.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
This program is accurate. That's all.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So I mean, I've I've you know, I've heard some
of the same things you have, uh, and generally your
instinct might be correct, but let's uh, let's let it
play out.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Let's let's let it play play out. So you don't
don't be called. You've already called this guy murderer. You know,
if you're gonna get a you're gonna get a vice
jury now if it comes down to that. Hopefully nothing
comes down to that. But something else I want to say,
Walsh said about hit his job to protect Minnesota's Why
(37:05):
weren't any any police here? This thing was going on
for hours before this happened. Why wasn't there any Minnesota
State police there or even local police?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, I think that the decisions were made and the
same situation has been in other states. In Illinois and
local police were kept at a distance. At a minimum, John,
let me let me scoot. I'm gonna try to get
one more in here. Okay, thank you, my friend, keep
calling the show.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Thank you. Happy New Year. Let me go to Jim. Jim.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I'm gonna hold you over, but I'll give you a
minute here just to get going, and I'll hold you
over through the newscast.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
You've waited a long time.
Speaker 13 (37:42):
Go right ahead, Hidan, first time, cal of First of all.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, well I've had a bunch of first I calls tonight,
and I'm very gratified.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Go right ahead, Jim, thank you for calling.
Speaker 13 (37:52):
I'll be quick. I mean, I did vote for Trump.
I generally support the operation and support law and enforcement.
But first of all, I think Vance was a bit
of a bully today seeing that somebody died, and he
just came across as just totally unfeeling towards this woman.
(38:19):
That's my first point. I'll be quick on my second point.
I didn't think anybody I saw the video one hundred times.
I sat home and I watched it. Nobody's life was
in danger from that car. She cut her tires. A
ninety year old person could have moved away from that car.
Take a picture of a license plate, get her information,
(38:42):
go to her house, and do what you gotta do.
There's no reason that woman should be dead.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
All right, Look, I'll be happy to continue this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
If you want to hold through the news, I'd be
more than happy to give you another minute or two. Okay, sure,
thank you. To stay right there, don't. You'll be first
up right after the eleven o'clock news. The only line
opened six point seven two, five, four, ten thirty
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