June 9, 2025 • 38 mins
A public hearing was held for the Massachusetts judge, Shelley Joseph, who is accused of helping a man sneak out the back of her Newton courthouse and evade Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. Dan discussed the charges against Judge Joseph as the state's Commission on Judicial Conduct moves forward with the power to recommend discipline without removal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's side with Dan Ray I WBS Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back everybody again. I just want to
emphasize and to David in Leicester. G David, you know,
we did an hour on that and I know you
wanted to contribute a comment on it, but you you
didn't listen for the most of the hour, and so
it's tough when you call that late. I only really
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took your call because I saw it was you, and
generally you have something that's pithy to say. So I
was hoping, uh that that you would have been available, accessible,
et cetera. But that's neither here nor there. And obviously
it's you know, it's funny and I said this the
last time we did this. This is a five year
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old child of the city. Do you think that if
there was a five year old who was hit by
a bus and killed in Wellesley or Weston or Whaland
or Winchester. You know, I use those cities because those towns,
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because they are all towns that begin with the W
with the letter W, and they're they're really really good,
you know, you know, suburban communities. But that would not
be tolerated. But in Boston, for some reason, a five
year old child can be hit by a bus that
he had just gotten off. And now it's six weeks later, Sis,
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six weeks to the day. Now it's six weeks later.
And you know, the Globe did a great article today.
I hope some of you read the Globe every day.
I know I do, uh, And it baffles me that
more people are not outraged this five year old. It's
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a you know, a child of God, a child of
our var our society. Whatever your religious belief is or
your lack of religious belief, this is a five year
old child who will not see his sixth birthday. And
probably there were some shortcuts taken, mistakes were made, and
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no one's going to be responsible. No one is going
to be held to be responsible for this unless sunlight
is the greatest disinfect And you know, so I'm heartbroken
over this story, and I wish that there were more
people in my audience and more people in Boston who
are outraged over it. But I simply run a Petri
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dish here Monday through Friday from eight until midnight, and
in the first hour we give you four guests that
have interesting information. Marita does a great job and for
the balance of this week. Karen BISSEM. We be doing
a great job, but we talk with Mike Timlin, the
former Red Sox great relief picture of the earlier part
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I was involved in, I think the two thousand and
seven as well as I believe the two maybe the
two thousand and four and two thousand and seven World Series.
And so we try to provide good guests in the
first hour, and then we try to find topics of
a concern and controversy and legitimacy. And if you don't
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rise to the occasion, the only interpretation I can have
is that my audience doesn't care that a five year
old kid in Boston was hitting killed not by a
drunk driver, I mean his death would be the same,
but by his own school bus driver. That's what allegedly
happened here. I mean, think about it, think about it.
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I thought that the call last hour from Peter from
Braintree was heartbreaking because he lost his daughter at the
age of five in nineteen eighty six, and obviously this
rekindled memories in his mind. So again I'm not going
to lecture you, but I'm just going to tell you
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that I was disappointed. Now There's another case that touches
upon illegal immigration that has been going on now for
seven years, seven years, and that is the case that
involves a Newton judge, Judge Shelley Joseph, in twenty and eighteen.
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And I hope some of you remember this case in
twenty and eighteen during the first Trump administration, doctor rather
Judge Joseph, who was in Newton District Court one day,
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found her herself in the courtroom and she had a
criminal defendant in front of her in district court in Newton,
and at some point she became aware that there was
an ice officer. You know, we had all of the
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demonstrations this weekend out in Los Angeles, and there was
a demonstration in Boston today as well. But at some
point she realized that there was an ice officer who
had stationed himself. I believe he was in the courtroom
and he was there he had a civil detainer on
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a defendant, jose Medina Perez. And I believe that the
record reflected that she told one of her court officers
to have direct the ice officer to leave her courtroom
and sit outside her courtroom now just because he's a
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nice officer doesn't mean he's not a citizen of the
United States, and I would think that that is in
of itself something that a judge should not be doing.
But he complied, and he sat outside, and then at
some point there was a sidebar conference, and proceedings in
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district court, including sidebars, are supposed to be recorded, but
at some point, at some point, for fifty two seconds,
the recording was shut off, and no one knows at
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this point what was said because the recording was shut off.
So what happened subsequently was that a court officer, perhaps
at the direction of Judge Joseph, led the defendant and
the defendant's lawyer out the back door, or led them
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down a corridor that got them to the back door
of the courthouse, and the defendant fled. He was eventually
picked up. But there was a federal indictment that came
down against Judge Joseph, and that lingered for some time,
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and then a deal was made when I guess was
in during the presidency of President Biden, and of course
federal prosecutors are influenced by whoever's in the White House,
and the charges against her in federal court were dropped
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as long as she would comply with a hearing which
began today in front of the state the Massachusetts Judicial
Conduct Commission now or technically the Massachusett Commission on Judicial
Conduct Now. I don't know how that hearing went today.
I was not in court. I did see some coverage
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of it. I guess they they started, They had a juror,
they had a view, if you will, of the circumstances,
so that the hearing officer could be familiar with the
the layout of the court and how this guy got out.
So eventually she could be removed from the bench. That's
one possibility. I guess that's the worst, the most onerous
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requirement that could be imposed. She could be suspended for
some period of time, or they could decide that hey,
nothing apparently went on now. According to newspaper reports, UH,
the lawyer for this individual, the defendant, UH, the lawyer
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had had switched, according to an article by Shelley Murphy
and The Globe, to a another lawyer, and that the
lawyer apparently was the one that requested that the the
recording be turned off, and as a consequence of that,
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the lawyer, it has been reported, cooperated with the federal
government at the time of the indictment, so he was
one of the key witnesses today. I don't know how
this is going to come out. However, However, in my opinion,
this is an important case because if judges, if judges
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do not follow the law, then then then why do
we have to do what you say? I mean, it's
it's a pretty serious offense. It may sound not all
that serious, but I consider this to be a very
very serious offense. Uh, And I'd love to hear what
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you think should happen to the judge. Six seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
My name is Dan Ray. Let's keep it going here
on Nightside. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
All right, so we're talking about the Shelley Joseph case. No,
I don't know. There's a single hearing officer, and apparently
the hearing officer will write a report. I can't think
of the last judge who who faced such a hearing
like this, but this hearing officer as a single individual.
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The attorney for Joseph said today that she knew nothing,
She just was was caught. I guess by surprise, I
didn't see much coverage of it today, but it was
there in some form of fashion. The hearing officer is
being heard by Dennis mcnhernie, a former Deputy Assistant Attorney
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General with the Department of Justice, and the commission has
appointed former Superior Court Chief Justice Judith Fabricant as special
counsel to prosecute the case. And as The Globe is
reporting and quoting now from a story by Shelley Murphy,
one of the best reporters in Boston, particularly in terms
of crime and punishment issues. Mccroney will submit his foundings
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of the commission within thirty days of the hearing. Of
the commission can then recommend discipline to the SJAC Supreme
Judicial Court. Only the legislature can remove a judge from
the bench for misconduct, so we'll have to see. I mean,
it just talks about the whole system that we live under.
We're all supposed to do the right thing. But in
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these both of these cases that we've talked about, you
have a statute, a law that was passed that was
intended to help illegal immigrants be able to the so
called you know, Mobility Act Work Mobility Act. And yet
it turns out that it now seems to ignore to
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the detriment of an investigation, a transparent investigation into a
little five year old boy who was killed. And here
we have a judge who finds herself in trouble. I
don't know what happened. Apparently the defense attorney, his name
is David Jellinik, apparently turned out to be a witness
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against the judge, even though theoretically she had benefited his
his client. So let's see what people have to say
if you're interested in this. If not, we can move
on to something else. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, seven ninety. Let me go to Bernie in
New Hampshire. Bernie, how what's your thought on this? Bernie?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Hey? Are we doing tonight? Dan?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm doing fine, go right ahead?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
All right? Yeah, I got disconnected on I was gonna
the last stop. But on this one? Can I slaw?
Mountain Landis once said that the law is there to
show justice, not to show mercy. Now it's an officer
of the court. Shouldn't this judge be held to that standard?
Knowing that she bull right went against the law.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, that's why they haven't hearing obviously, and you'd like
to think that all of this is going to be
on the level, and you'd like to think that the
reputations of the individuals involved. Both the prosecuting attorney as
well as the hearing officer and the defense attorney will
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do their best, obviously as advocates, but they will simply
do their best to get to the truth and let
people let the chips fall where they may. I mean,
it's disgraceful if she actually turned off that recorder and
then helped expedite the escape of this defendant from ice.
And again, this has been going on for years now.
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You see all these demonstrations out in Los Angeles, Well,
you know, there's there's a lot of passion about this
and uh, you have people. I was, I was watching
the stuff in LA over the weekend, and today I
saw more Mexican flags being waived by demonstrators. Uh, if
you want to come to this country, keep the Mexican
flag at home. You know, you're if you're coming to
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this country, you're you're coming, I assume to become an American,
not not to you know, not to become uh to
to re establish or reassert your your your Mexican citizenship.
You should be coming here to become Americans. But that
that was I don't know if you're watching this stuff
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over the weekend, but it's pretty interesting and we're gonna
My intention is to talk about that tonight a little
bit later on the criticism that the president is receiving
for having federalized National Guard troops and I guess they're
sending US Marines in there to call that situation. You know,
what else could could be done? You know, but we'll
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save that for later. You're convinced that this thing's been
going on for seven years? Why is it taking so
long to get this thing resolved? I mean, if you
were in front of this judge, you wouldn't be in
front of the judge for seven years? Would your Bernie?
If you had been arrested for drug driving or didn't
pay your parking tickets on time?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
No? And that's my point. I believe sometimes in this country,
although it has a great system of justice, sometimes just
isn't always just. It just seems to be different laws
or rules for different people, such as the case with
this the First Amendment thing from the last thing. You know,
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it's not always an equal player for biblic who well know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, that's what that is my concern, and you know,
I think it's the concern of probably a lot of
people who are listening to this program tonight. Bernie. Is
always great to hear your voice. Thanks for checking in
and we'll talk again.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Okay, you have a good night there, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You, Bernie. Let me go to George and Fitchburgh. George,
appreciate you calling in your next night. Sec go right ahead, George.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Oh hi, I listened about the poor kid who was
killed by the boss ye and I think that a
manslaughter conviction. This this guy is obviously he's how long
wheels and it's horrible as poor kid, that poor kid. Oh,
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I feel so bad. I can cry. A matter of fact,
I have.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, you know, nothing nothing can be done for the
for the little boy at this point other than to
say a prayer. However, however, my concern is why are
our political leaders so hesitant to provide basic information. This
little boy was killed six weeks ago today. If I'm
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calculating correctly, and I believe I am you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think you are concerned, and I think I am
concerned that this should not be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, this is this is supposed to be Massachusetts. And yes,
as I said, and I got myself in some trouble,
I'm sure with my suburban listeners when I said that
if this little boy had lived in some of the
more affluent suburbs, he lived in Hyde Park.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, I know. In uh, you know, it doesn't to me.
It doesn't matter where they live. It's the fact of
the life that was taken by stupidity and ignorance.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, And that's.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The whole thing that gets me. It's like, you've got
these kids running around the street with guns and I
don't know where the heck they get them. But I
know some of my friends in Bahfe that are out
looking to find out where the heck these things are
showing up for. I know a lot of stuff is
coming from up Inflorida, believe.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It or not. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well again, though that's kind of a different topic which
we can we can take that would take that one
on some night. But with my concern right now is
uh is one I want to hear what people think
about Judge Shelley Joseph allsorroble.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
She had no right to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I mean, the thing is so far, so far, she
hasn't paid the price, So maybe she's going to get
away with it. Maybe that. I don't know. I don't
know enough about the case too.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I know enough about the case where she let the
guy was supposed to be going into ice, you know,
out of the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
She kicked him out of the courtroom. That we know.
I believe that's she didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You know, she let her go out the back door,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, no, this innocent, sure to speak. The guy went
out the back door, whether or not it was with
her permission or whether or not. The defense lawyer who
apparently was involved in that fifty two second conversation was
with it recorded, as I believe, testified against her and
was probably the reason she was indicted by the Feds.
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And then maybe he's yet second. I don't know. You know,
let's hope it's on the level. Wouldn't it be great
to have something in Massachusetts on the level? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I it's very hard to do it as a
matter of fact, you know, just a different talk. But
for another thing about these laws we have. But there's
someone laws that are enacted by Massachusetts politicians at midnight,
and there's some stuff that they had that. They said
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they had a listening. They they went around the state
and listened about this and listen about that. It was
a big it was a big farce.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It Well, what it is is, Yeah, it's they listen
if they do something. Yeah, I agree with you totally
on that. Trust me on that one. Hey, George, I
hate to do this here, but I'm into my newscast here,
so I got to let you go. I took you
a little early. Didn't want you to have to wait.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Okay, Well, thanks much, God bless and we'll talk to
you soon. Thanks a lot. Well, please keep.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Calling the show and tell your friends about Night's Side. Okay,
thank you very much. You are more than welcome. So far,
the ladies have been quiet on both of these topics.
Six one, let's focus on Judge Joseph six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty b right
back on after this.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
We're talking about the hearing today with Judge Shelley Joseph. Now,
this is going to take This is not something that's
going to be over in one day. So I have
no idea how many days this hearing might take. And
then it's going to take I believe at least thirty
days for the hearing officer to write the report and
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to submit it to the State Supreme Court. And then
based upon his report, the State Supreme Court might take
no action or might take a serious action. Well, we
will have to wait and see. Let's go next too,
John is in debt. Hey John, appreciate you taking the
time to call. Really do your next on Nightside. John,
go right.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Ahead, Hey Dan, if you quick back on your podcast,
I think you'll find way back even before a musk,
I think I said I wish you guys dedicated at
least an hour a week. I bought more the government waste,
government fraud because this seems like there's no accountability and
I hate to make this political and democratic party. When
I'm talking about talking about that boy who got run
over by the bus driver, Uh, pretty certain information I
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had it. It sounds like people didn't do their job correct.
He was still driving, and it reminds me of a
couple other situations. If you remember a while back, I
think it was a Russian guy who killed seven people
up in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it was. Yeah, there were seven motorcyclists,
if I'm not whatever.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Was Yeah, And I supposed Connecticut said they sent something
in Massachusetts about this guy shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
She'd lose less.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And there was a bunch of files in the basement,
and nobody was looking at apparently nobody's job. And there
was that thing. There was a thing with remember they
carl a harmony. I think your name was a little.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Girl, right, And there was she was in both court systems,
both Massachusetts and New Hampshire. No communication, There was a
there was a judge who gave custody I guess or
or visitation rights to the father who now I believe
has been convicted in her uh in her in her murder.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
But again it comes down to you know, people not
doing their job. I think this Bible boy not only
should be the bus driver thing should be charged, but
I think that multiple parties should be charged because it
again I don't have all the facts. Yeah, but it
sounds like like I said, when I heard this guy
should not have been driving, Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, Well, clearly again, I know we're going back to
what we talked about last hour. Uh. And and it's
important that it's it's such an importance, it's such an
important story. Uh. But right now the information is being
held back from the public. We don't have What do
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you reason for that? Well, I believe that I happen
to believe that the Mayor's office should be fully transparent
and should say here's what we know. It really looks
like it's going to be the fault of the bus
company who didn't do their due diligence. According if you
read the story in the Boston Globe today by John Hilliard,
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essentially what they're saying is this guy had a driving
record that was not bad. It was abysmal. I mean,
he had driving problems not only in Massachusetts, like four
or five in the last a couple of months, but
he has speeding tickets in New Jersey in twenty sixteen,
Connecticut in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, violation in New York
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from proper license or endorsement, and then he apparently had
two accidents in the month of April and then hit
a couple of the parked cars on the day that
the little boy was run over. I mean, but the
reason that the Mayor's office seems not to want to
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have full disclosure. Is because it was the Boston Public
Schools that had hired this company, trensdeb that didn't do
the due diligence. So what happens is that it's getting
covered up. And that's why the Globe wrote about it.
That's why we had on last hour Rob Burchie, who
was a First Amendment lawyer with the New England First
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Amendment Coalition. That's why I talked about it three or
four weeks three weeks ago, and that's why we have
to find out what's going on here.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And I don't want to try this political, but it
almosteems have no choice. I'm a registered Republican, mainly because
I feel the Republican Party is more accountable, and it
just seemed that Democrats never want to take accountability for anything.
I mean, I know you recently had the state auditor
on and with the state just later. Nobody wants to
be transparent with with all their documents.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The state Auditor, Diana Desaglio, is doing a terrific job,
and she's being frustrated at every turn by the leadership
of the Democrats in the in the House and the Senate.
And by Governor Healy, and by the Attorney General Andrea Campbell.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
And if you don't want to go right to the top.
And I know this is getting off topic, but you
look at what's going on with Biden here, Schumer and Humphrey.
You're like, oh, we're looking forward now, nobody wants to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That's a whole that's another different story. Hey, John, let
me let you run for now. All I'm just saying
is that can you imagine if there was a five
year old child who was run over by a school
bus in Denham? Do you think six weeks later we'd
have no information to speak off.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I think no, it's a disgrace. A week or two
tops there should have been done.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You thanks, John, appreciate it, Thank thank you very much.
Bye bye. Let me go to Tom down on the Cape.
Tom on Cape Cord, Tom, where are you calling from
on the Cape.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I'm calling from Dennis.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I know, Dennis, beautiful town. There, go right ahead, Tom.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, we're spoken. We're spoken before from Dennis. Sure, what
was I gonna say? I got the reason. The reason
it's taken seven years was Donald Trump. Chidge his administration
charged her federally because the state wouldn't charge this judge
Joseph with any crime, and then as soon as the
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Biden administration come in, his administration dropped the charges.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, I think what they did there, Yeah, I got
I want to be fair, okay, But my understanding is
that what the Biden administration did was they worked the
deal whereby the federal charges were dropped with the understanding
that the State's Judicial Conduct Commission UH would look into that, which,
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of course today now results in the hearing that started today.
I don't know how many days the hearing's going to take.
It seems to me it's you know, it's it's going
to be a lot of he said, she said, But
I hope that this hearing officer can do a thorough
and transparent job. And if she's as as clean as
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the driven snow, then then she should be treated accordingly. If,
on the other hand, she cooperated with all of this,
then I think her status as a judge has to
be called into question, and that's going to be a
decision that will be made by the State Supreme Court,
all of whom are appointed by governors here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Well, you said, you said, in all fairness, but how
can it be. I don't see fairness with the Biden
administration turning it over to another liberal administration to take
care of another liberal judge who's obviously has leaning towards
the left. And also another thing you have to know
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is that this Judicial Conduct Commission does not have the
right to fire.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Her, no minderstanding that rests with the State Supreme Court.
But the Judicial Conduct Commission, the hearing officer will write
a report which then the state. It's gonna go on
for weeks, if not months. No, it's this happened in
twenty seventeen, and here we are almost ten years later.
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We're eight years later, and we're still dealing with it.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, if you had a couple of tryn to
let it die peaceful death?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yes, right, right, we should all have such a peaceful death. Right.
If you had a couple of you had a couple
of parking tickets in Barnstable County, uh, your license, they
wouldn't leave open the question of your license for for
for eight years. They'd pull your license In a New
York second.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Oh, absolutely, It's just it's it just comes down to
the bottom line, is it's a liberal judge being protected
by a liberal administration.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well, let's see what happens. The only thing I could
say to you right now is the story is not
yet written. Let's see what Let's see how this all transpires.
The reason I'm talking about it tonight is because it
happened today, and it also I think that the public
should be interested in this. I mean I could do
a subject tonight and ask people what's your favorite color?
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What good does that?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Do?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I want people to think about these issues. That is,
you obviously have thought about it greatly, and I appreciate
the fact that you've taken the time to call.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, here's the other thing is it's going to you
and I. Let's put it this way. You and I
will speak after the after the fact, and see what
the outcome is.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know you will, and I will gladly accept your
phone call and we can we can then determine whether
or not indeed justice was done fair enough.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Continue your good work.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Thanks Dennis, and please keep listening to Night's side, and
continue to continue to call. Because some nights, when you
talk about topics and you don't get the audience to
rise in unison and say this is wrong, you just
wonder up do people care anymore. And I think the
politicians in Massachusetts essentially count on that that that the
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average person in Massachusetts we're so busy trying to uh,
you know, work, pay our taxes, keep keep our jobs,
that we don't focus a lot on issues that we
talk about here. And that's and that's unfortunate. But I'm
delighted there are people like you who listen to the
show and take the time to call. Thanks. Thanks so much.
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I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
All right, thanks, thank thanks Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Talk soon, have a great night. We'll take a break.
We'll take a quick commercial message. I got a couple
of open lines. Actually, if you'd like to finish out
wrong we will talk about the LA riots after eleven,
but I want to talk about this, what should happen
with Shelley Joseph, and more importantly, are you confident, uh
do you have confidence in the system that justice will
(32:15):
be done? I would like to say I had confidence
in the system, but frankly, I don't. I don't know
how this is going to turn out. But it just
seems to me this has gone for quite a long time.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten, thirty six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Allright, back to the phones, we go, gonna go to
who's next. We got Tom in West Virginia. Tom will
have a point of view here Tom, welcome back. How
are you.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Okay? So you've got a judge, yes, sir, that basically
let an illegal aliens sneak out the back door.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So that's the allegation.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
You're a you're a lawyer, Yes, I am. In in
nineteen okay. So in nineteen twenty nine, Congress passed the
law Section thirteen twenty five and thirteen twenty six of
US Code. Part of chapter eight addresses criminal offenses as
related to immigration. That illegal immigrant had been twice entered
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the country illegally. That is a felony at that point.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Okay, So you're talking in the country. You're talking about
the guy that Medina Perez who was able to leave
the court through the back door, Jose Medina Perez, in
the company of his lawyer. Go I just want to
make sure that we got the same guy. Go ahead,
go right ahead, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
So here's the point. If a person enters the country
unlawful for the first time, it is considered a misdemeanor,
but if they enter a second time unlawfully, it is
considered a felony. Okay, So she just let a guy
that twice was ordered to leave the country. She let
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out a guy who committed a felony.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm sorry again, that's assuming what's gonna happen, Tom, Just
hold for one second. Okay, she's undergoing the hearing at
this point, Let's see what the hearing officer. She has
not been convinced.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Damn kangaroo court. I have no faith, and.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Don't you have no faith? And guess what, I don't
have a lot of faith either. All I'm just saying, Tom,
is for purposes of clarity you, I want to hold
you and me to a higher standard, Okay, And that
is she hasn't been convicted of anything yet. We've explained
for people to understand. She was indicted, the indictment was
withdrawn with the understanding that we're going to have this,
(34:58):
this this event today, seven years after the event. I
mean that in of itself, that cannot be denied. Factually,
that what happened was in twenty seventeen. To hear, we
are in twenty twenty five, eight years later, and it
still hasn't been adjudicated.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
No, and it's gonna be a kangaroo court, and it's
going to be given the usual national public radio language
of well, she.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
And she's gonna get her wrists slapped. And you know something,
you wonder why guys like me have no faith in
the judicial system anymore, is because you know what, if
we like your politics, We're going to bend the rules.
And I'm fed up with it. And all I have
to say is.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Why do you think I'm talking about this case tonight?
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Tom No, I'm glad you are okay. And for the
highly educated white liberals that I went to high school
with that talk about insurrections on January sixth, well, what
is going on in Los Angeles now with people that
are holding up traffic that are not peacefully protesting, yet
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the news media tells me they're peacefully protesting.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Really, the news media that I that I watched over
the weekend certainly showed a lot of pictures of cars
being burned, of high quality, high intensity pyrotechnics being exploded.
(36:36):
So I mean that looks like a riot.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
To me, Yeah, and they won't. And this is the
problem Dan with people that are in the new media.
I went to a guy from who worked with the
Associated Press, who taught at Wheaton College. Okay, he is
the most biased person I have ever met. And what
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we've had in this country for the last fifty years
is a bunch of leftist professors that claim to be
we're trying to be objective, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Just off track. I'm going to talk about the I
know we are. I'm going to talk about the l R.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
How how is the news media reporting it nationally.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We'll give people an opportunity, Tom after the eleven o'clock
news to to have at it. I watched a lot
and I think I've gotten a fairly accurate I don't
think I'm hearing anybody say they were peaceful protests, because
you can't say that with the cars being burned, Mexican
flags being flown, et cetera. I mean, I just think
(37:40):
that it's it's pay Do you.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I do? Watch CNN, Yes I do. I watched.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Betrayed It.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, Well, I listen, I will take Tom. Tom, that's
the fourth time you said it, and I'm going to
tell you for the fourth time, I will take your
word for it. Okay, and let's see if other people
have seen CNN, because that's we're going to talk about.
It's perfect segue to the other side of the eleven Okay, Tom,
(38:13):
thanks as always, You're you're you're a good caller, challenging caller,
but a good caller, and I appreciate it. Thank you.
All Right, we have the news that is coming up.
We're going to talk about what's going on in Los
Angeles and you can tell me if it's a peaceful demonstration.
It was a peaceful demonstration in Boston today that was peaceful,
(38:34):
but it weren't. They're not peaceful in Los Angeles. Coming
back on night Side right after the eleven o'clock news,
jump on board the LA riots. Your perception, your perspective,
coming back
It's side with Dan Ray I WBS Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back everybody again. I just want to
emphasize and to David in Leicester. G David, you know,
we did an hour on that and I know you
wanted to contribute a comment on it, but you you
didn't listen for the most of the hour, and so
it's tough when you call that late. I only really
(00:28):
took your call because I saw it was you, and
generally you have something that's pithy to say. So I
was hoping, uh that that you would have been available, accessible,
et cetera. But that's neither here nor there. And obviously
it's you know, it's funny and I said this the
last time we did this. This is a five year
(00:50):
old child of the city. Do you think that if
there was a five year old who was hit by
a bus and killed in Wellesley or Weston or Whaland
or Winchester. You know, I use those cities because those towns,
(01:11):
because they are all towns that begin with the W
with the letter W, and they're they're really really good,
you know, you know, suburban communities. But that would not
be tolerated. But in Boston, for some reason, a five
year old child can be hit by a bus that
he had just gotten off. And now it's six weeks later, Sis,
(01:33):
six weeks to the day. Now it's six weeks later.
And you know, the Globe did a great article today.
I hope some of you read the Globe every day.
I know I do, uh, And it baffles me that
more people are not outraged this five year old. It's
(01:54):
a you know, a child of God, a child of
our var our society. Whatever your religious belief is or
your lack of religious belief, this is a five year
old child who will not see his sixth birthday. And
probably there were some shortcuts taken, mistakes were made, and
(02:19):
no one's going to be responsible. No one is going
to be held to be responsible for this unless sunlight
is the greatest disinfect And you know, so I'm heartbroken
over this story, and I wish that there were more
people in my audience and more people in Boston who
are outraged over it. But I simply run a Petri
(02:43):
dish here Monday through Friday from eight until midnight, and
in the first hour we give you four guests that
have interesting information. Marita does a great job and for
the balance of this week. Karen BISSEM. We be doing
a great job, but we talk with Mike Timlin, the
former Red Sox great relief picture of the earlier part
(03:06):
I was involved in, I think the two thousand and
seven as well as I believe the two maybe the
two thousand and four and two thousand and seven World Series.
And so we try to provide good guests in the
first hour, and then we try to find topics of
a concern and controversy and legitimacy. And if you don't
(03:26):
rise to the occasion, the only interpretation I can have
is that my audience doesn't care that a five year
old kid in Boston was hitting killed not by a
drunk driver, I mean his death would be the same,
but by his own school bus driver. That's what allegedly
happened here. I mean, think about it, think about it.
(03:49):
I thought that the call last hour from Peter from
Braintree was heartbreaking because he lost his daughter at the
age of five in nineteen eighty six, and obviously this
rekindled memories in his mind. So again I'm not going
to lecture you, but I'm just going to tell you
(04:10):
that I was disappointed. Now There's another case that touches
upon illegal immigration that has been going on now for
seven years, seven years, and that is the case that
involves a Newton judge, Judge Shelley Joseph, in twenty and eighteen.
(04:36):
And I hope some of you remember this case in
twenty and eighteen during the first Trump administration, doctor rather
Judge Joseph, who was in Newton District Court one day,
(04:57):
found her herself in the courtroom and she had a
criminal defendant in front of her in district court in Newton,
and at some point she became aware that there was
an ice officer. You know, we had all of the
(05:19):
demonstrations this weekend out in Los Angeles, and there was
a demonstration in Boston today as well. But at some
point she realized that there was an ice officer who
had stationed himself. I believe he was in the courtroom
and he was there he had a civil detainer on
(05:43):
a defendant, jose Medina Perez. And I believe that the
record reflected that she told one of her court officers
to have direct the ice officer to leave her courtroom
and sit outside her courtroom now just because he's a
(06:05):
nice officer doesn't mean he's not a citizen of the
United States, and I would think that that is in
of itself something that a judge should not be doing.
But he complied, and he sat outside, and then at
some point there was a sidebar conference, and proceedings in
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district court, including sidebars, are supposed to be recorded, but
at some point, at some point, for fifty two seconds,
the recording was shut off, and no one knows at
(06:48):
this point what was said because the recording was shut off.
So what happened subsequently was that a court officer, perhaps
at the direction of Judge Joseph, led the defendant and
the defendant's lawyer out the back door, or led them
(07:12):
down a corridor that got them to the back door
of the courthouse, and the defendant fled. He was eventually
picked up. But there was a federal indictment that came
down against Judge Joseph, and that lingered for some time,
(07:37):
and then a deal was made when I guess was
in during the presidency of President Biden, and of course
federal prosecutors are influenced by whoever's in the White House,
and the charges against her in federal court were dropped
(07:59):
as long as she would comply with a hearing which
began today in front of the state the Massachusetts Judicial
Conduct Commission now or technically the Massachusett Commission on Judicial
Conduct Now. I don't know how that hearing went today.
I was not in court. I did see some coverage
(08:21):
of it. I guess they they started, They had a juror,
they had a view, if you will, of the circumstances,
so that the hearing officer could be familiar with the
the layout of the court and how this guy got out.
So eventually she could be removed from the bench. That's
one possibility. I guess that's the worst, the most onerous
(08:45):
requirement that could be imposed. She could be suspended for
some period of time, or they could decide that hey,
nothing apparently went on now. According to newspaper reports, UH,
the lawyer for this individual, the defendant, UH, the lawyer
(09:09):
had had switched, according to an article by Shelley Murphy
and The Globe, to a another lawyer, and that the
lawyer apparently was the one that requested that the the
recording be turned off, and as a consequence of that,
(09:30):
the lawyer, it has been reported, cooperated with the federal
government at the time of the indictment, so he was
one of the key witnesses today. I don't know how
this is going to come out. However, However, in my opinion,
this is an important case because if judges, if judges
(09:53):
do not follow the law, then then then why do
we have to do what you say? I mean, it's
it's a pretty serious offense. It may sound not all
that serious, but I consider this to be a very
very serious offense. Uh, And I'd love to hear what
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you think should happen to the judge. Six seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
My name is Dan Ray. Let's keep it going here
on Nightside. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
All right, so we're talking about the Shelley Joseph case. No,
I don't know. There's a single hearing officer, and apparently
the hearing officer will write a report. I can't think
of the last judge who who faced such a hearing
like this, but this hearing officer as a single individual.
(10:53):
The attorney for Joseph said today that she knew nothing,
She just was was caught. I guess by surprise, I
didn't see much coverage of it today, but it was
there in some form of fashion. The hearing officer is
being heard by Dennis mcnhernie, a former Deputy Assistant Attorney
(11:16):
General with the Department of Justice, and the commission has
appointed former Superior Court Chief Justice Judith Fabricant as special
counsel to prosecute the case. And as The Globe is
reporting and quoting now from a story by Shelley Murphy,
one of the best reporters in Boston, particularly in terms
of crime and punishment issues. Mccroney will submit his foundings
(11:37):
of the commission within thirty days of the hearing. Of
the commission can then recommend discipline to the SJAC Supreme
Judicial Court. Only the legislature can remove a judge from
the bench for misconduct, so we'll have to see. I mean,
it just talks about the whole system that we live under.
We're all supposed to do the right thing. But in
(11:59):
these both of these cases that we've talked about, you
have a statute, a law that was passed that was
intended to help illegal immigrants be able to the so
called you know, Mobility Act Work Mobility Act. And yet
it turns out that it now seems to ignore to
(12:19):
the detriment of an investigation, a transparent investigation into a
little five year old boy who was killed. And here
we have a judge who finds herself in trouble. I
don't know what happened. Apparently the defense attorney, his name
is David Jellinik, apparently turned out to be a witness
(12:44):
against the judge, even though theoretically she had benefited his
his client. So let's see what people have to say
if you're interested in this. If not, we can move
on to something else. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, seven ninety. Let me go to Bernie in
New Hampshire. Bernie, how what's your thought on this? Bernie?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Hey? Are we doing tonight? Dan?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm doing fine, go right ahead?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
All right? Yeah, I got disconnected on I was gonna
the last stop. But on this one? Can I slaw?
Mountain Landis once said that the law is there to
show justice, not to show mercy. Now it's an officer
of the court. Shouldn't this judge be held to that standard?
Knowing that she bull right went against the law.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, that's why they haven't hearing obviously, and you'd like
to think that all of this is going to be
on the level, and you'd like to think that the
reputations of the individuals involved. Both the prosecuting attorney as
well as the hearing officer and the defense attorney will
(13:53):
do their best, obviously as advocates, but they will simply
do their best to get to the truth and let
people let the chips fall where they may. I mean,
it's disgraceful if she actually turned off that recorder and
then helped expedite the escape of this defendant from ice.
And again, this has been going on for years now.
(14:14):
You see all these demonstrations out in Los Angeles, Well,
you know, there's there's a lot of passion about this
and uh, you have people. I was, I was watching
the stuff in LA over the weekend, and today I
saw more Mexican flags being waived by demonstrators. Uh, if
you want to come to this country, keep the Mexican
flag at home. You know, you're if you're coming to
(14:36):
this country, you're you're coming, I assume to become an American,
not not to you know, not to become uh to
to re establish or reassert your your your Mexican citizenship.
You should be coming here to become Americans. But that
that was I don't know if you're watching this stuff
(14:58):
over the weekend, but it's pretty interesting and we're gonna
My intention is to talk about that tonight a little
bit later on the criticism that the president is receiving
for having federalized National Guard troops and I guess they're
sending US Marines in there to call that situation. You know,
what else could could be done? You know, but we'll
(15:19):
save that for later. You're convinced that this thing's been
going on for seven years? Why is it taking so
long to get this thing resolved? I mean, if you
were in front of this judge, you wouldn't be in
front of the judge for seven years? Would your Bernie?
If you had been arrested for drug driving or didn't
pay your parking tickets on time?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
No? And that's my point. I believe sometimes in this country,
although it has a great system of justice, sometimes just
isn't always just. It just seems to be different laws
or rules for different people, such as the case with
this the First Amendment thing from the last thing. You know,
(16:00):
it's not always an equal player for biblic who well know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, that's what that is my concern, and you know,
I think it's the concern of probably a lot of
people who are listening to this program tonight. Bernie. Is
always great to hear your voice. Thanks for checking in
and we'll talk again.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Okay, you have a good night there, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You, Bernie. Let me go to George and Fitchburgh. George,
appreciate you calling in your next night. Sec go right ahead, George.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Oh hi, I listened about the poor kid who was
killed by the boss ye and I think that a
manslaughter conviction. This this guy is obviously he's how long
wheels and it's horrible as poor kid, that poor kid. Oh,
(16:51):
I feel so bad. I can cry. A matter of fact,
I have.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, you know, nothing nothing can be done for the
for the little boy at this point other than to
say a prayer. However, however, my concern is why are
our political leaders so hesitant to provide basic information. This
little boy was killed six weeks ago today. If I'm
(17:18):
calculating correctly, and I believe I am you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think you are concerned, and I think I am
concerned that this should not be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, this is this is supposed to be Massachusetts. And yes,
as I said, and I got myself in some trouble,
I'm sure with my suburban listeners when I said that
if this little boy had lived in some of the
more affluent suburbs, he lived in Hyde Park.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, I know. In uh, you know, it doesn't to me.
It doesn't matter where they live. It's the fact of
the life that was taken by stupidity and ignorance.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, And that's.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
The whole thing that gets me. It's like, you've got
these kids running around the street with guns and I
don't know where the heck they get them. But I
know some of my friends in Bahfe that are out
looking to find out where the heck these things are
showing up for. I know a lot of stuff is
coming from up Inflorida, believe.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It or not. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well again, though that's kind of a different topic which
we can we can take that would take that one
on some night. But with my concern right now is
uh is one I want to hear what people think
about Judge Shelley Joseph allsorroble.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
She had no right to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I mean, the thing is so far, so far, she
hasn't paid the price, So maybe she's going to get
away with it. Maybe that. I don't know. I don't
know enough about the case too.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I know enough about the case where she let the
guy was supposed to be going into ice, you know,
out of the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
She kicked him out of the courtroom. That we know.
I believe that's she didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You know, she let her go out the back door,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, no, this innocent, sure to speak. The guy went
out the back door, whether or not it was with
her permission or whether or not. The defense lawyer who
apparently was involved in that fifty two second conversation was
with it recorded, as I believe, testified against her and
was probably the reason she was indicted by the Feds.
(19:38):
And then maybe he's yet second. I don't know. You know,
let's hope it's on the level. Wouldn't it be great
to have something in Massachusetts on the level? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I it's very hard to do it as a
matter of fact, you know, just a different talk. But
for another thing about these laws we have. But there's
someone laws that are enacted by Massachusetts politicians at midnight,
and there's some stuff that they had that. They said
(20:09):
they had a listening. They they went around the state
and listened about this and listen about that. It was
a big it was a big farce.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It Well, what it is is, Yeah, it's they listen
if they do something. Yeah, I agree with you totally
on that. Trust me on that one. Hey, George, I
hate to do this here, but I'm into my newscast here,
so I got to let you go. I took you
a little early. Didn't want you to have to wait.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Okay, Well, thanks much, God bless and we'll talk to
you soon. Thanks a lot. Well, please keep.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Calling the show and tell your friends about Night's Side. Okay,
thank you very much. You are more than welcome. So far,
the ladies have been quiet on both of these topics.
Six one, let's focus on Judge Joseph six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine thirty b right
back on after this.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
We're talking about the hearing today with Judge Shelley Joseph. Now,
this is going to take This is not something that's
going to be over in one day. So I have
no idea how many days this hearing might take. And
then it's going to take I believe at least thirty
days for the hearing officer to write the report and
(21:32):
to submit it to the State Supreme Court. And then
based upon his report, the State Supreme Court might take
no action or might take a serious action. Well, we
will have to wait and see. Let's go next too,
John is in debt. Hey John, appreciate you taking the
time to call. Really do your next on Nightside. John,
go right.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Ahead, Hey Dan, if you quick back on your podcast,
I think you'll find way back even before a musk,
I think I said I wish you guys dedicated at
least an hour a week. I bought more the government waste,
government fraud because this seems like there's no accountability and
I hate to make this political and democratic party. When
I'm talking about talking about that boy who got run
over by the bus driver, Uh, pretty certain information I
(22:14):
had it. It sounds like people didn't do their job correct.
He was still driving, and it reminds me of a
couple other situations. If you remember a while back, I
think it was a Russian guy who killed seven people
up in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it was. Yeah, there were seven motorcyclists,
if I'm not whatever.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Was Yeah, And I supposed Connecticut said they sent something
in Massachusetts about this guy shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
She'd lose less.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And there was a bunch of files in the basement,
and nobody was looking at apparently nobody's job. And there
was that thing. There was a thing with remember they
carl a harmony. I think your name was a little.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Girl, right, And there was she was in both court systems,
both Massachusetts and New Hampshire. No communication, There was a
there was a judge who gave custody I guess or
or visitation rights to the father who now I believe
has been convicted in her uh in her in her murder.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
But again it comes down to you know, people not
doing their job. I think this Bible boy not only
should be the bus driver thing should be charged, but
I think that multiple parties should be charged because it
again I don't have all the facts. Yeah, but it
sounds like like I said, when I heard this guy
should not have been driving, Well I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, Well, clearly again, I know we're going back to
what we talked about last hour. Uh. And and it's
important that it's it's such an importance, it's such an
important story. Uh. But right now the information is being
held back from the public. We don't have What do
(24:01):
you reason for that? Well, I believe that I happen
to believe that the Mayor's office should be fully transparent
and should say here's what we know. It really looks
like it's going to be the fault of the bus
company who didn't do their due diligence. According if you
read the story in the Boston Globe today by John Hilliard,
(24:25):
essentially what they're saying is this guy had a driving
record that was not bad. It was abysmal. I mean,
he had driving problems not only in Massachusetts, like four
or five in the last a couple of months, but
he has speeding tickets in New Jersey in twenty sixteen,
Connecticut in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, violation in New York
(24:48):
from proper license or endorsement, and then he apparently had
two accidents in the month of April and then hit
a couple of the parked cars on the day that
the little boy was run over. I mean, but the
reason that the Mayor's office seems not to want to
(25:12):
have full disclosure. Is because it was the Boston Public
Schools that had hired this company, trensdeb that didn't do
the due diligence. So what happens is that it's getting
covered up. And that's why the Globe wrote about it.
That's why we had on last hour Rob Burchie, who
was a First Amendment lawyer with the New England First
(25:34):
Amendment Coalition. That's why I talked about it three or
four weeks three weeks ago, and that's why we have
to find out what's going on here.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And I don't want to try this political, but it
almosteems have no choice. I'm a registered Republican, mainly because
I feel the Republican Party is more accountable, and it
just seemed that Democrats never want to take accountability for anything.
I mean, I know you recently had the state auditor
on and with the state just later. Nobody wants to
be transparent with with all their documents.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
The state Auditor, Diana Desaglio, is doing a terrific job,
and she's being frustrated at every turn by the leadership
of the Democrats in the in the House and the Senate.
And by Governor Healy, and by the Attorney General Andrea Campbell.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
And if you don't want to go right to the top.
And I know this is getting off topic, but you
look at what's going on with Biden here, Schumer and Humphrey.
You're like, oh, we're looking forward now, nobody wants to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
That's a whole that's another different story. Hey, John, let
me let you run for now. All I'm just saying
is that can you imagine if there was a five
year old child who was run over by a school
bus in Denham? Do you think six weeks later we'd
have no information to speak off.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I think no, it's a disgrace. A week or two
tops there should have been done.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You thanks, John, appreciate it, Thank thank you very much.
Bye bye. Let me go to Tom down on the Cape.
Tom on Cape Cord, Tom, where are you calling from
on the Cape.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I'm calling from Dennis.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I know, Dennis, beautiful town. There, go right ahead, Tom.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, we're spoken. We're spoken before from Dennis. Sure, what
was I gonna say? I got the reason. The reason
it's taken seven years was Donald Trump. Chidge his administration
charged her federally because the state wouldn't charge this judge
Joseph with any crime, and then as soon as the
(27:30):
Biden administration come in, his administration dropped the charges.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, I think what they did there, Yeah, I got
I want to be fair, okay, But my understanding is
that what the Biden administration did was they worked the
deal whereby the federal charges were dropped with the understanding
that the State's Judicial Conduct Commission UH would look into that, which,
(27:57):
of course today now results in the hearing that started today.
I don't know how many days the hearing's going to take.
It seems to me it's you know, it's it's going
to be a lot of he said, she said, But
I hope that this hearing officer can do a thorough
and transparent job. And if she's as as clean as
(28:17):
the driven snow, then then she should be treated accordingly. If,
on the other hand, she cooperated with all of this,
then I think her status as a judge has to
be called into question, and that's going to be a
decision that will be made by the State Supreme Court,
all of whom are appointed by governors here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Well, you said, you said, in all fairness, but how
can it be. I don't see fairness with the Biden
administration turning it over to another liberal administration to take
care of another liberal judge who's obviously has leaning towards
the left. And also another thing you have to know
(29:02):
is that this Judicial Conduct Commission does not have the
right to fire.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Her, no minderstanding that rests with the State Supreme Court.
But the Judicial Conduct Commission, the hearing officer will write
a report which then the state. It's gonna go on
for weeks, if not months. No, it's this happened in
twenty seventeen, and here we are almost ten years later.
(29:27):
We're eight years later, and we're still dealing with it.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You know, if you had a couple of tryn to
let it die peaceful death?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yes, right, right, we should all have such a peaceful death. Right.
If you had a couple of you had a couple
of parking tickets in Barnstable County, uh, your license, they
wouldn't leave open the question of your license for for
for eight years. They'd pull your license In a New
York second.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Oh, absolutely, It's just it's it just comes down to
the bottom line, is it's a liberal judge being protected
by a liberal administration.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well, let's see what happens. The only thing I could
say to you right now is the story is not
yet written. Let's see what Let's see how this all transpires.
The reason I'm talking about it tonight is because it
happened today, and it also I think that the public
should be interested in this. I mean I could do
a subject tonight and ask people what's your favorite color?
(30:31):
What good does that?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Do?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I want people to think about these issues. That is,
you obviously have thought about it greatly, and I appreciate
the fact that you've taken the time to call.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, here's the other thing is it's going to you
and I. Let's put it this way. You and I
will speak after the after the fact, and see what
the outcome is.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know you will, and I will gladly accept your
phone call and we can we can then determine whether
or not indeed justice was done fair enough.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Continue your good work.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Thanks Dennis, and please keep listening to Night's side, and
continue to continue to call. Because some nights, when you
talk about topics and you don't get the audience to
rise in unison and say this is wrong, you just
wonder up do people care anymore. And I think the
politicians in Massachusetts essentially count on that that that the
(31:27):
average person in Massachusetts we're so busy trying to uh,
you know, work, pay our taxes, keep keep our jobs,
that we don't focus a lot on issues that we
talk about here. And that's and that's unfortunate. But I'm
delighted there are people like you who listen to the
show and take the time to call. Thanks. Thanks so much.
(31:48):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
All right, thanks, thank thanks Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Talk soon, have a great night. We'll take a break.
We'll take a quick commercial message. I got a couple
of open lines. Actually, if you'd like to finish out
wrong we will talk about the LA riots after eleven,
but I want to talk about this, what should happen
with Shelley Joseph, and more importantly, are you confident, uh
do you have confidence in the system that justice will
(32:15):
be done? I would like to say I had confidence
in the system, but frankly, I don't. I don't know
how this is going to turn out. But it just
seems to me this has gone for quite a long time.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten, thirty six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back on
night Side.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Allright, back to the phones, we go, gonna go to
who's next. We got Tom in West Virginia. Tom will
have a point of view here Tom, welcome back. How
are you.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Okay? So you've got a judge, yes, sir, that basically
let an illegal aliens sneak out the back door.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So that's the allegation.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
You're a you're a lawyer, Yes, I am. In in
nineteen okay. So in nineteen twenty nine, Congress passed the
law Section thirteen twenty five and thirteen twenty six of
US Code. Part of chapter eight addresses criminal offenses as
related to immigration. That illegal immigrant had been twice entered
(33:31):
the country illegally. That is a felony at that point.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Okay, So you're talking in the country. You're talking about
the guy that Medina Perez who was able to leave
the court through the back door, Jose Medina Perez, in
the company of his lawyer. Go I just want to
make sure that we got the same guy. Go ahead,
go right ahead, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
So here's the point. If a person enters the country
unlawful for the first time, it is considered a misdemeanor,
but if they enter a second time unlawfully, it is
considered a felony. Okay, So she just let a guy
that twice was ordered to leave the country. She let
(34:16):
out a guy who committed a felony.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm sorry again, that's assuming what's gonna happen, Tom, Just
hold for one second. Okay, she's undergoing the hearing at
this point, Let's see what the hearing officer. She has
not been convinced.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Damn kangaroo court. I have no faith, and.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Don't you have no faith? And guess what, I don't
have a lot of faith either. All I'm just saying, Tom,
is for purposes of clarity you, I want to hold
you and me to a higher standard, Okay, And that
is she hasn't been convicted of anything yet. We've explained
for people to understand. She was indicted, the indictment was
withdrawn with the understanding that we're going to have this,
(34:58):
this this event today, seven years after the event. I
mean that in of itself, that cannot be denied. Factually,
that what happened was in twenty seventeen. To hear, we
are in twenty twenty five, eight years later, and it
still hasn't been adjudicated.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
No, and it's gonna be a kangaroo court, and it's
going to be given the usual national public radio language
of well, she.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
And she's gonna get her wrists slapped. And you know something,
you wonder why guys like me have no faith in
the judicial system anymore, is because you know what, if
we like your politics, We're going to bend the rules.
And I'm fed up with it. And all I have
to say is.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Why do you think I'm talking about this case tonight?
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Tom No, I'm glad you are okay. And for the
highly educated white liberals that I went to high school
with that talk about insurrections on January sixth, well, what
is going on in Los Angeles now with people that
are holding up traffic that are not peacefully protesting, yet
(36:12):
the news media tells me they're peacefully protesting.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Really, the news media that I that I watched over
the weekend certainly showed a lot of pictures of cars
being burned, of high quality, high intensity pyrotechnics being exploded.
(36:36):
So I mean that looks like a riot.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
To me, Yeah, and they won't. And this is the
problem Dan with people that are in the new media.
I went to a guy from who worked with the
Associated Press, who taught at Wheaton College. Okay, he is
the most biased person I have ever met. And what
(36:59):
we've had in this country for the last fifty years
is a bunch of leftist professors that claim to be
we're trying to be objective, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Just off track. I'm going to talk about the I
know we are. I'm going to talk about the l R.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
How how is the news media reporting it nationally.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We'll give people an opportunity, Tom after the eleven o'clock
news to to have at it. I watched a lot
and I think I've gotten a fairly accurate I don't
think I'm hearing anybody say they were peaceful protests, because
you can't say that with the cars being burned, Mexican
flags being flown, et cetera. I mean, I just think
(37:40):
that it's it's pay Do you.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I do? Watch CNN, Yes I do. I watched.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Betrayed It.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, Well, I listen, I will take Tom. Tom, that's
the fourth time you said it, and I'm going to
tell you for the fourth time, I will take your
word for it. Okay, and let's see if other people
have seen CNN, because that's we're going to talk about.
It's perfect segue to the other side of the eleven Okay, Tom,
(38:13):
thanks as always, You're you're you're a good caller, challenging caller,
but a good caller, and I appreciate it. Thank you.
All Right, we have the news that is coming up.
We're going to talk about what's going on in Los
Angeles and you can tell me if it's a peaceful demonstration.
It was a peaceful demonstration in Boston today that was peaceful,
(38:34):
but it weren't. They're not peaceful in Los Angeles. Coming
back on night Side right after the eleven o'clock news,
jump on board the LA riots. Your perception, your perspective,
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