September 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Morgan White Jr. filled in on NightSide:
No, not the 1960 classic Western film starring Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen, but rather the magnificent seven WBZ Radio talk hosts from the 1960s and up! Morgan and Media Historian Donna Halper chatted about seven of WBZ’s greatest, such as Larry Glick, Dave Maynard, and David Brudnoy.
No, not the 1960 classic Western film starring Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen, but rather the magnificent seven WBZ Radio talk hosts from the 1960s and up! Morgan and Media Historian Donna Halper chatted about seven of WBZ’s greatest, such as Larry Glick, Dave Maynard, and David Brudnoy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Makes nights with Dan ray On, will you Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
To new video?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Before I do anything, I have the Powerball numbers in
front of me. Noah was kind enough to get them
from whatever source he checked. And here they are eight
that means some of you are already disappointed. Twenty three,
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twenty five, forty fifty three, and the Powerball five. Good
luck to everybody, Good luck to me. I want to
hit it and I will mention these names again. If
over the past fifty sixty years you were a fan
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of WBZ talk, all these men at one time did
talk on BZ. All these men at one time had
their own show five days a week. These all are
men that have passed on and bet and no particular order.
Paul Sullivan, Lavelle, Diet Peter Me, Bob Kennedy, Larry Glick,
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Jerry Williams, David Bradnoy. And that is that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Eight names.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
If you want to call in to tell me who
your favorite was, good Donna Helper has joined the conversation.
So let's take some people who want to talk about
busy radio legends. Florence, your turn, your next, Hello.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Good evening, Morgan and Donna, Hey Hawaii y good and you, you.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Know, happy to be walking around.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yep, absolutely all of us.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Indeed, hey, people got it worse than us.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Who yeah dat. I don't know any of those, hostess,
but I wanted to tell you my mom used to
listen to Jerry Williams all the time.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
She's going to talk about Jerry. Why don't you talk
about him first, and then I'll take it from there.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Well, she loves listening to him. And that's the only
name that I'm familiar with, you know. And I also
because you've been talking a little bit about a myths
of different subjects, different things, And I wanted to ask
(02:47):
you something because my mother I told Morgan and someone
else on that show one time about all the old
radio shows, and I found the company that I could
get to set of a lot of old radio shows.
And they didn't have talk shows, but my mother was
(03:10):
saying years back, they even had a couple of soap
operas on the radio. When I wanted to ask you
if you ever heard of that.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Of soap operas on the radio. Absolutely, there were soap
operas on the radio since nineteen thirty and yep. And
they got their name because some of the first sponsors
were wait for it, so you know deterreents, yes, you know,
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laundry deterreans, instard like oxodol and stuff like that. And
because they weren't like grand opera like up on the
stage with people singing in Italian, some folks kind of
stark lastically referred to the radio version as soap operas.
And they were huge starting in the nineteen thirties, and
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a lot of the ones that were on radio transitioned
over to television in the fifties, like The Guiding Light
and Search for Tomorrow and programs like that The Secret Stormed.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They were on the radio.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Absolutely, yeah, yes, yep, yes, yep, I have you. Well,
a lot of programs, including westerns, including comedies. I mean,
I Love Lucy got its start on radio as My
Favorite Husband, Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
The Lone Ranger was.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
On the radio, and so were a lot of the
soap operas. And when television came along, they just made
the transition, even some of the news programs. The Great
Edward R. Murrow did a radio show called Hear It Now.
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When radio transitioned to television, he took Hear It Now
and turned it into see It Now exactly. So, yeah,
you're onto something here. So can I give you a
Jerry Williams memory real quick when I was a kid?
(05:33):
Oh yeah, well, first of all, point of trivia. Jerry's
first radio shows were not in Boston. They were in Bristol, Virginia, okay.
And then he was on the air in Allentown where
he did a DJ show called a Date with Jerry Hey, okay.
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But he didn't want to be a top forty DJ.
He wanted to do talk and he got hired in
Austin around nineteen fifty seven to work for WMEX. And
back then there was a rule that radio had to
have a certain amount of news programs and a certain
amount of talk shows. So you would hear even the
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top forty stations they'd play music for a while, and
then they would stop down and go over to talk.
WBZ had music, and then they'd break and have a
couple of hours of talk with the late great Bob
Kennedy no relation to Robert Kennedy. Bob Kennedy was a
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wonderful talk show host. He died way too young from cancer.
But yeah, I remember listening to him growing up. Same
with Jerry Williams. You'd have Arnie Ginsburg play in the
hits and then at night ten o'clock Boom suddenly talk
with Jerry Williams, and he would only let adults on
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the show. Okay. The rule was I had to be
over twenty one. And I was so proud of myself
because I founded older than I was, and I got
on as a caller a couple of times, and I
was so excited I did. I was a sneaky person,
yes I was.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, well, so there you go, I'm doing it. I
found a company through an ad called Radio Spirits, and
that company had consists of old radio shows. Yeah, so
I got them.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
My mother told me about all the different ones, and
I went through the catalog and I got some, and
but were they had to have been on one particular
station below all those radio section cross section.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Whoever they could get the rights to, they got the rights,
and they just bought them up. And in some cases
there were some companies that were kind of unscrupulous and
didn't get the rights. But by and large, no, there
was no rhyme or reason. Just like I was saying
to that earlier caller, it's like, you know, why is
there some Walter Cronkite and a library in Wisconsin. And
(08:22):
there's other Walter Cronkite in a library in New York,
and there's some in Boston. And it's whoever donated, whoever donated.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, I did a good thing for those who were
curious about all those shows.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Right, and some of them are on YouTube as well.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
But usually those shows transi TV.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yes, usually those shows that were on a network, NBC,
Mutual Broadcasting, CBS.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They did some swing the TV and others didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But the show some of the networks, some of the
networks actually did preserve some of those shows. Yes, that's
why we have some of the major names, whereas some
of the minor ones. Like Morgan was about to say,
and I don't want to speak for him, but we
both are well aware that if you were working for
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a small station, and I'm not dissing WMEX, but it
was a small station compared to let's say w NBC
in New York, w the smaller stations tended not to
preserve their stuff unless an individual preserved it. Okay, So
you'll find a lot of stuff that was on NBC
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got saved. A lot of stuff that was on the
small local stations did not.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Unfortunately, I got a break to take and I got
to wave good.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Thank you so much for calling Honey, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Thank you, Florence, Bye bye. Anyone else wants to call in?
You know the names. Jack is next and Florence they
called in. You can do the same thing. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine two nine
ten thirty. Time and temperature here on night side eleven
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sixteen sixty three degrees.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
We have full line. So do the best I can
to move as rapidly as possible. Jack in Dorchester, you
are next.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Welcome aboard, Jack, Hey, how are you doing all right? Quick?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
When did Peter mea puz?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Oh it was a while, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think it was in the eighties, But I can't
do better than Oh.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
No, no, it was not in the well.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Peter died in Oh and I should know this too.
Give me a second, let me think about it. It
will come to me. Keep talking and it will be.
It will come to me. Peter may good?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
All right, you can finish when I speak.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Because it would have been fairly recent. I thought he
was still alive, were very honest with you.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Because he worked for Tom Andino at one point, and
he also hits them work with the Kennedy Library. Now
I'm not sure whether it was the E. M. K
Library or the the js A Library, but he worked
at one of them. And also, uh, well, he worked
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at Busy in the mid eighties, I.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Believe, yes, that's correct. And he worked with Brodnoy, and
he worked with Gary Lapierre and.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Yes, yep, okay, a couple of things. Jerry Williams Now,
he was a kind of funny dude.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
He was.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I remember he had George mcgovernor on when mcgovernment was
born in for president in nineteen seventy two, and they
had a cape of some Vietnam vet who was like
really talked over the crop that he did in Vietnam.
And but after that, I don't know whether he got
(12:37):
censored or something, because he lef ez then and the
next thing I know, it was on the RKO and
became like a real popularist, especially in the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Election in terms of people like Cherry anybody that worked
for wm X going to leave because it didn't pay
very well. But in truth, it would have been unusual
for him to stay at one station talk show hosts DJ.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
He was very nomadic.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
They all came and went.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
He obviously had a couple of stints in Pennsylvania. I
think did he also go to Chicago, Donna.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yes, he was in a whole bunch of places. He
was in Philadelphia, I mean, you name it. There was
a very good chance that he was going to be there.
There's a wonderful book about his.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Life, running up the Air Elfman.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yep, yep, worth reading, definitely worth reading. But no, he
was all over the place, and that was not unusual
because let's be honest, the vast majority of air personalities
have big egos. Okay, I'm like Morgan and I, who
are incredibly humble. There are many big names that just
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you know, they're always getting into this fight or that fight.
They want this money or that money. I understand it.
You know, when you're you've got a lot of listeners,
you think you should get more money, You get into
a fight with management. It used to happen all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And earlier somebody mentioned the name that embodies that example, how.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
It's Stern uh huh, yep, he embodies every other week.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
But now sometimes it wasn't the person's fault, Like Jerry.
I know for a fact he worked in New York
and then he was doing fine and the station's changed
format and they wanted the new people wanted to bring
in their own staff, and he was out of a job.
You know that happened too, so so yeah, it was
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not unusual for him to go from station to station.
Him in about twenty thousand of his closest friends.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Anything else, Jack, Yeah, this is something you could pick
up sometimes if I.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Do find out anything else about Peter Mee, because I
cannot find anything about his passing. He may even still
be around for all I know. But if something did happen,
it would have been recent.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, because I haven't heard anything either, I'm assuming that
would be well probably, I would hope would be on
vz okay, Pete, Like I was saying, at some point,
I hope you will pick this up, maybe toward the
end of the year, because it's a really good subject
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and you haven't even covered Like Gary lapiero.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Oh, we got we could go on for six hours
on this topic. I want to get a start.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I limited the names to people who all fit this category.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
They had a five day a week talk show. Gary
Pierre did not.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Okay, and we could get to newspeople. We oh my god,
the possibilities.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Around news, weather, sports.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Okay, we could talk about Don Kent, I mean he
was a weather guy, but everybody knew Don Kent.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And Kill Santos.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Yes, so yeah, So we tried very hard to just
restrict it to talk show hosts. And we appreciate your
calling in.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Okay, all right, I'll talk to you some other time.
Margan I cast him down.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Now, okay, you know where to find me every week
here every week ten to midnight Saturdays. Take care and
now yeah, yeah, we have time, plenty of time. Let's
go to David from Drake It. David, let's talk about
your favorite busy talk host of yesteryear.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Well, all of them. The sickening thing is that there
are none today. That's what bothers me. And there's no prospects.
You know, what you listen to today is pure crap, I
mean compared to them, and we can't duplicate to them.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
They're gone.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
That's unfortunate. I did want to say.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Let me say Dan Ray, who does eight midnight Monday
through Friday.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, he's a very good talk show host.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And I'm not saying that because I'm sitting in his seat.
I'm just saying this as an observer of radio in Boston.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Yeah, well that's your opinion. I don't put him in
a category with the people you're talking about. No, I
won't go into the reasons, but there are reasons. But
the reason I'm calling it just dawned on me. With
Jerry Williams, I remember going out to see him in
a play. Actually I went because a friend of mine
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was in a headline the play. It was a pre
Broadway play and Jerry Williams got cast in it in Chicago,
but I don't think he was working in Chicago. It
was a comedy called The Butter and egg Man with
Tom Poston, and it was to go to Broadway. It
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was on tryout, and somehow Jerry Williams got a part
of it. But I don't recall whether he was working,
working in Chicago or not working at that time nineteen
sixty eight.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
But anyway, good good, Yeah, if.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
I may, what happened. I was a big fan of
a show of many I worked for a lot of
the radio stations here in Boston over the years. In
sales and in programming, and I wanted to ask you,
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oh about Monitor on NBC was one of my favorites.
Do you recall Monitor. I was surprised that Jordan Rich
one day when I brought it up, didn't know what
I was talking about. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
But I'm sure you know, Oh, I certainly do know Monitor.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
Yes, I could get enough of that show with its
interviews and music and news highlights, and had such a
variety of things with personalities of the day. You know,
most of them was out of New York, most.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Of those, in fairness. In fairness to Jordan's it was
a little before his time. It got started on radio
in the fifties. I remember it because I grew up
in the fifties, and by the time Jordan was on
the year full time, it was gone, moved over to television.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Well, it ran through the seventies.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
That is correct, But I'm saying that the preeminence of
the NBC radio network was long gone and hard to
find by that point, and they had put all their
eggs in the television basket by that point. So yes,
there were still some radio programs, but not as many.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
I was working for WBZ in the nineteen seventies when
Baker was there. Then I worked in the teleshot ye
remember when Baker and there was there more in sales.
I did a lot of work for him. And one
day they said to me, no, we don't keep people.
If you're good, we move you around here at Westinghouse Broadcasting.
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We don't keep you at our flagship station. We don't
keep you at any station. We keep moving you around.
I didn't like that. And they are WOWO in Wayne, Indiana,
which was a money I remember that. Yeah, I got
sick when I thought of Fort Wayne. So I said
no to that. And then they said, well, you go
out to New York and talked to WIS And this
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was nineteen seventy two, and they told me that as
of the fall, they have a new format. It's called
all News. So think was that at the beginning of
all news in nineteen seventy two, do you recall, I guess.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
You know there was an all news station before that,
but it certainly was one of the biggest of the
new all news stations. By that time. It was becoming
a trend.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Right, give us twenty minutes and we'll give you the.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
World yes, ten ten wins, New York.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
The farthest point in Long Island, Montague, and I was
to canvas Long Island for any you know, advertising activity
and things like that, and I good.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Old days, not good old days.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
But why why the demise of the mor format?
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Why why is that? Did that go away?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:11):
David, I have any idea.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Tell you what.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I've got to take a break, but we will answer
that on the other side of the break. Okay, all right, David,
thank you for the call. One open line if you
want a six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
or eight eight, eight, nine thirty. This is WBZ. You
know that time and temperature eleven thirty sixty three degrees.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All right, four calls. Somebody cheated and they called the
contest line. We we do not encourage that, but they've
been screened and they're in line.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
They're in Q.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I owe David an answer, and I owe David two answers.
One answer. He asked me about did Jerry Williams ever
be on the air in Chicago, And the answer is yes. Briefly,
nineteen sixty five into sixty six he was a WBBM
in Chicago. And the other question, the middle of the
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road thing, when Top forty came along, a big band
morphed into a format that they named middle of the Road. Gradually,
as time went on and that audience died off, it
morphed again into soft rock. And I know that it's
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not quite the same, but the kind of music that
you would hear on WJIB for example, that's the remainder
of what is middle of the road music. And and
by the way, a shout out to Paul Yovino who
messaged that Peter Mead is still alive, but not in
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very good health. So thank you Paul for that. You're
the best.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
All right, and.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Do that do it?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Does that?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Should?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I'll add to that m O N E Y money.
Radio stations will chase money. If they think this format
will make the money, they'll chase it. Talk radio. One
or two stations dared put it on FM. It succeeded.
Now a lot of FM stations across America have talk radio.
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It's chase the dollar side period.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
And demographics are too. Where they think the age group
and where they think the audience is right.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And now let me go to Michael and Attleborough. Oh,
Michael nine three, Hello, we're fine.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 11 (25:07):
I don't I've got four quick things to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Important all right, let's go fast.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Forty two of them.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
The first one is I grew up in the fifties.
I'll take them around your age love m E X.
And I gotta tell you I was not happy when
our Ko started doing that the music.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Of that era.
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, down the highway.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
I'll say highway because I don't know what road.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
It was under the bridge near Chinatown.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
There was a big thing for our Ko Way.
Speaker 11 (25:47):
Now you probably remember I'm squeezing this into one. You
probably remember the bands played at Paragrim Park.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Yes, they were on the.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
Far right at the end and you you know, near
the coast.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Uh yeah, yeah, they played.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Uh used.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I used to go to Paragon and go watch Beasy
doing live broadcasts in the Sundeck studio, remember the sun
Deck Studio.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
I left, but in the middle, in the middle, why
did they put up with Jerry what's his name?
Speaker 6 (26:28):
The guy forget what's his name? Jerry Williams?
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Yeah, why didn't they let him go so long? In
the seatbelt thing?
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Money. They got an audience. He got them stirred up,
It got them listeners, It got them.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Let me give you, let me give you inside information.
The traffic department. They're the people that set up the commercials.
What commercials are coming in? When they play? How are
often did they play? Did they play twice a day?
Fifteen times a day? And the traffic department of then
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w r KO was making money hand over fist his
his spot spots that they carried. There were no empty spots.
There was no you wanted to sell a bicycle, Let's
say you called them Michael's bicycles, best bicycles.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
In the world. You couldn't get on the show because
there was no room.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
They were making money hand over.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Fin And that's an answer to your question why they
let him go on so long about the seatbelts.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Next, because you took to think you took my time. Okay, okay,
you asked.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The question, you asked the question.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I'm nice enough to answer the question, and you blame
me for taking your time.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
I'm about five blocks from the restaurant hockey. I called
the guy one day, told.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Him for your name on the Marquees.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
Anyway, The other thing is my brother brought my brother
in law bought a restaurant commercial building in Maine and
did down.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Why am I for getting named?
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Who was the weatherman?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We talked about Kent?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Don Kent?
Speaker 11 (28:18):
Did we have a wooden backdrop for the for the
you know the weather?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
What about it?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Hole made one?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
They were all homemade in the early days. Nothing was electronic.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Rather in law when he bought that building, it was
in there, one of them because he I think Duncan
had lived in me. It was in there and he
gave it to a local shirt So who knows what
happened to it?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
And he had okay, well, but it wouldn't it would
not surprise me. So much of the early stuff was
just like loving hands at home productions. They just made
it themselves. They used a lot of whiteboards and glue, wood,
whatever they could come.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Up with, chicken wireing, bubble gum. So what's the last thing.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
I believe that I called?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Did you have?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Was Zi a guy?
Speaker 11 (29:14):
It might have been one of the King guys you
talked about. Lived Gove off the VFW Parkway, Well Dave.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Or something like that, Well Dave Well Street.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Oh Well Street in West Roxbury. That's Simon, Yes, mel
Simon LeMond.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
What happened is I was at Yadstil, Framingham. There was
a box of reel to reel tapes.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Oh, I have so many stuff.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
I didn't bought a taking them, and but I did.
I got mel Simon's number. I don't know it said
to her big bands. I don't know if they were
DJs on it. And the final thing is my brother
taught me something about going out on the queue in
the sixties. Emi x us to play red River Rock
to the news by the games.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Okay, it would not surprise.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Me, all right, Michael, let me help Michael.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
It played instrumentals up to the news. In the event
the things ran late, you always had the instrumental.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I don't have the date, but the first Saturday night
in October, Meil is going to be on with me.
I don't know the date, but he'll be on ten
to midnight. You call him that night and you can
speak to mel Simon's and tell him about the real
the real tapes.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Okay, thanks for what?
Speaker 9 (30:31):
All right, good night.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Bye bye, Helloha. Where are we going next?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Let's go to Tom from Ohio because he's long distance. Yes, Tom,
what's up?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Hi Hi.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
I was a paper boy in nineteen seventy and during
like when the Vietnam War was going on.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yes, make him remember my father.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
During incomet weather, you know, got like an inch of
snare or something unlike where you would get in Boston,
twenty four inches of snare.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
My father was driving me around in.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
His car and he was listening but w ABC, and
there was.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Glick Larry Click.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
We talked about Larry Click earlier, Larry the Commander.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Larry was this fun It's just funny because I was
jumping out of the car and I'd run down the
whole street and stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You know, Yeah, maybe Larry Click.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
At one point, every four radios that were on in
Boston listening any up withs of fifty different stations AM
and f M, three out of four of those radios
were tuned into Larry Click.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Absolutely, that's the power he had.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yep. And because w b Z was a like a
clear channel station, it got into so many these states,
I mean literally thirty eight states and parts of Canada still,
I mean, oh, what a signal.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And Tom that was cleare channel?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
What what?
Speaker 10 (32:11):
What was the last thing you.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Said that was called those kinds of stations were called
Clear Channel. They were set up by the FCC so
that they would have no clear.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Different no, not the clear channel of today.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, so.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
That was like a verb.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Clear channel versus the noun the ownership of clear Channel.
And Tom, I got to break the takes. Sorry, I
got a break to take. I want to thank you
for bringing up Laric looks name I love Okay, we
got you get it in just in time. You love
Bradley J.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And you had him for two.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Weeks and that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
And now I'm about to take my last break. I
will guarantee I've got two people on one line available.
I'm not even going to give the phone number if
you want to grab it. Time eleven forty five sixty
three degrees.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's Night Side with Dan Rag on w B Boston's.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
News radio, Last roundup time. And I'm going to go
to North Attleborough and speak to Carrie.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Carrie. Good evening.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Hi Morgan, my name's Karen.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Oh Karen, Okay, hello Cameron.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
Hi, can't Hi Morgan.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Don't forget to say hi to Donna.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Say hi to me.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
It's okay, Hi Donna. I just want to say yeah,
happy labor day to both. Indeed, as we work, I'm doing,
I know I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Good night.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
I thank you for your for your for your time.
But I just have kind of a funny story. I
was thinking of my mother. She passed away in twenty
twenty one, yet one hundred and one years old, while
still had her faculties. But she listened to WBZ all
the time, and she loves Larry Glick. And one day
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I said to her, of course, it was probably twenty
five years ago. I said, Geem, I can't sleep, you know,
And she says, well, turn on WBZ and she said,
listen to the to the talk show. So I turn
it on and I'm listening to it. And it was
so interesting in the conversations. I couldn't go to sleep
(34:36):
because I had to stay awake to listen to the conversation.
It was kind of funny, you know. And then my
hairdresser was used to be in high Point Village called
Guys and Girls and talked. I talked to Louis one
day he did my hair and I said, gee, you know,
you know Larry Glick. And he said, Karen, he comes
(34:59):
in here, I cut it see here, I said, you do?
He said, yes, he's one of my customers. Wow, I
met her, Yeah, I did. I met him one day
up in Rosendale, and uh, it was a quick hello.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
He was a funny, funny guy. I was there when
he was inducted when he was inducted into the Massachusetts
Broadcasters Hall of Fame, and he gave just he did
a routine, he did a monologue. It was hilarious.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
So and then he used to whistle that'd go.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
We all know why.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Yeah, but I just wanted to share that I thought
of my mother and yeah, yeah, thank you. She had
a wonderful life, great husband, great father, you.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Know either thank you for calling us.
Speaker 12 (35:55):
Oh, thank you, and have a great night.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Good night, now can I and now Donna. It wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
WBZ if this last caller, and he is the last caller,
was not going to be a participant in this subject.
With the names that we mentioned. Glenn from Brighton.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Oh my god, Glenn, who.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
Glenn?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Hello, we're here here, we're yelling Hello. You don't hear us.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I hear you, but you don't hear me.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I hear you, hear you.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Just fine, you sound adorable.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
Go Oh I didn't know I was was you know
it didn't make that funny.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Noise as they used to say, you're on the air.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
You said hello four times? Is that?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I had two David Breadenoy stories, one on air and
well they were both the one where producer Mark Lavallo
went to his you know We're Living Coppery Square and
found sad dressing in the refrigerator from nineteen seventy five. Yeah,
(37:08):
I think this has expired. You might want to throw
this the way he presented it. Oh you remember this,
I know, go ahead. Yeah, and also remember the night
he had Somebody told him him and Don Fetter were
his favorite anti Marxist. So David decided to run as
(37:30):
an open line topic, who are your favorite anti Marxist?
You only get to I don't want to hold and
everybody called, you know, David Brodnoy, Jeff Jacobe, David Brodnoy,
Jean Burns. I called up with David Brodnoy and Avey
Nelson and for like four minutes, he goes, yeah, Obvy
and I ran his Republican's in a private Yeah, we're
(37:51):
good friends. Anyone. He goes, that's the best.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
I remember, Avey Nelson, I do.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I'll go you one step Further, I worked for Avey Nelson,
he on that TV station, and he hired me to
do that TV show.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Did he really.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Studio sixty two East?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
I remember when W E E I was doing talk
radio and they were doing a very very hard right
version of it, and that they had some interesting people on.
It was just kind of angry. That's when you were
just starting to see talk radio move more towards like
angry political radio as opposed to courteous informative radio the
(38:38):
way David did.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Now, Glenn, I'm going to ask you three names that
have not gotten the same amount of mentions tonight. Okay,
Rob Rowley, Paul Sullivan, and Lavelle Diet.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Right, Bob Rowley used to call me a freshy. It
was his freshy. No, I remember very quick, David No,
Abby Nelson and Jerry Williams did a thing the right
and the left on TV. He was before five on five.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Yes, Now do you remember Lavelle Diet Oh?
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Yeah, he used to He got me a piano tune?
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Did he really?
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Now, he was such a philanthropist. I mean that you were.
He really was, And a lot of people don't know
that because they just know what like, Oh they heard
him on wb Z, but when he wasn't doing radio
that he was such a fixture in the philanthropic world.
He did so much for so many people, particularly with
(39:50):
affordable housing. Just a gentleman.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
And I remember when he told me when his mother
used to spank him, she said, I hope this lesson
will be trans formative.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Oh yeah, he and I share the same birthday, I know.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Yeah, Paul Sullivan. I felt terrible when he died of cancer.
I mean I went back in years with him because
I knew Paul as a journalist and when he went
on the you know, with Lowell's son, and when he
went on the year on bus. I mean, I just
thought he was such a nice.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Persons, great newspaper what he used to say.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
And he beat it.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
He passed in two thousand and seven. He was only fifty.
I felt terrible.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
When he beat it came back, he missed like a
week or two in the radio, came back and then
it struck him, struck him down.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Yeah, yep, three times he beat it. We were so hopeful, all.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Right, GLA. I hate to and again a minute to
get off the air. So thank you for being.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
The last caller, Thank you, Honey, you're the best.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And all right. And Donna, thank you, thank you, thank
you God.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
What a privilege. And to everybody listening from all over
the United States, we love you. Thank you for being
with us, and thank you for the opportunity. Morgan, It's
always a privilege.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I always look forward to the next time, and they
will be a next time. So for you, thank you,
for Noah the producer, thank you, for Nancy and Gray,
thank you, and for all the people that both listened
and called or just listened.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Thank you. By Boston
Makes nights with Dan ray On, will you Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
To new video?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Before I do anything, I have the Powerball numbers in
front of me. Noah was kind enough to get them
from whatever source he checked. And here they are eight
that means some of you are already disappointed. Twenty three,
(00:30):
twenty five, forty fifty three, and the Powerball five. Good
luck to everybody, Good luck to me. I want to
hit it and I will mention these names again. If
over the past fifty sixty years you were a fan
(00:52):
of WBZ talk, all these men at one time did
talk on BZ. All these men at one time had
their own show five days a week. These all are
men that have passed on and bet and no particular order.
Paul Sullivan, Lavelle, Diet Peter Me, Bob Kennedy, Larry Glick,
(01:18):
Jerry Williams, David Bradnoy. And that is that.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Eight names.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
If you want to call in to tell me who
your favorite was, good Donna Helper has joined the conversation.
So let's take some people who want to talk about
busy radio legends. Florence, your turn, your next, Hello.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Good evening, Morgan and Donna, Hey Hawaii y good and you, you.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Know, happy to be walking around.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yep, absolutely all of us.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Indeed, hey, people got it worse than us.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Who yeah dat. I don't know any of those, hostess,
but I wanted to tell you my mom used to
listen to Jerry Williams all the time.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
She's going to talk about Jerry. Why don't you talk
about him first, and then I'll take it from there.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Well, she loves listening to him. And that's the only
name that I'm familiar with, you know. And I also
because you've been talking a little bit about a myths
of different subjects, different things, And I wanted to ask
(02:47):
you something because my mother I told Morgan and someone
else on that show one time about all the old
radio shows, and I found the company that I could
get to set of a lot of old radio shows.
And they didn't have talk shows, but my mother was
(03:10):
saying years back, they even had a couple of soap
operas on the radio. When I wanted to ask you
if you ever heard of that.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Of soap operas on the radio. Absolutely, there were soap
operas on the radio since nineteen thirty and yep. And
they got their name because some of the first sponsors
were wait for it, so you know deterreents, yes, you know,
(03:45):
laundry deterreans, instard like oxodol and stuff like that. And
because they weren't like grand opera like up on the
stage with people singing in Italian, some folks kind of
stark lastically referred to the radio version as soap operas.
And they were huge starting in the nineteen thirties, and
(04:11):
a lot of the ones that were on radio transitioned
over to television in the fifties, like The Guiding Light
and Search for Tomorrow and programs like that The Secret Stormed.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They were on the radio.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Absolutely, yeah, yes, yep, yes, yep, I have you. Well,
a lot of programs, including westerns, including comedies. I mean,
I Love Lucy got its start on radio as My
Favorite Husband, Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
The Lone Ranger was.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
On the radio, and so were a lot of the
soap operas. And when television came along, they just made
the transition, even some of the news programs. The Great
Edward R. Murrow did a radio show called Hear It Now.
(05:12):
When radio transitioned to television, he took Hear It Now
and turned it into see It Now exactly. So, yeah,
you're onto something here. So can I give you a
Jerry Williams memory real quick when I was a kid?
(05:33):
Oh yeah, well, first of all, point of trivia. Jerry's
first radio shows were not in Boston. They were in Bristol, Virginia, okay.
And then he was on the air in Allentown where
he did a DJ show called a Date with Jerry Hey, okay.
(05:54):
But he didn't want to be a top forty DJ.
He wanted to do talk and he got hired in
Austin around nineteen fifty seven to work for WMEX. And
back then there was a rule that radio had to
have a certain amount of news programs and a certain
amount of talk shows. So you would hear even the
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top forty stations they'd play music for a while, and
then they would stop down and go over to talk.
WBZ had music, and then they'd break and have a
couple of hours of talk with the late great Bob
Kennedy no relation to Robert Kennedy. Bob Kennedy was a
(06:37):
wonderful talk show host. He died way too young from cancer.
But yeah, I remember listening to him growing up. Same
with Jerry Williams. You'd have Arnie Ginsburg play in the
hits and then at night ten o'clock Boom suddenly talk
with Jerry Williams, and he would only let adults on
(07:00):
the show. Okay. The rule was I had to be
over twenty one. And I was so proud of myself
because I founded older than I was, and I got
on as a caller a couple of times, and I
was so excited I did. I was a sneaky person,
yes I was.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, well, so there you go, I'm doing it. I
found a company through an ad called Radio Spirits, and
that company had consists of old radio shows. Yeah, so
I got them.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
My mother told me about all the different ones, and
I went through the catalog and I got some, and
but were they had to have been on one particular
station below all those radio section cross section.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Whoever they could get the rights to, they got the rights,
and they just bought them up. And in some cases
there were some companies that were kind of unscrupulous and
didn't get the rights. But by and large, no, there
was no rhyme or reason. Just like I was saying
to that earlier caller, it's like, you know, why is
there some Walter Cronkite and a library in Wisconsin. And
(08:22):
there's other Walter Cronkite in a library in New York,
and there's some in Boston. And it's whoever donated, whoever donated.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, I did a good thing for those who were
curious about all those shows.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Right, and some of them are on YouTube as well.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
But usually those shows transi TV.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yes, usually those shows that were on a network, NBC,
Mutual Broadcasting, CBS.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They did some swing the TV and others didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But the show some of the networks, some of the
networks actually did preserve some of those shows. Yes, that's
why we have some of the major names, whereas some
of the minor ones. Like Morgan was about to say,
and I don't want to speak for him, but we
both are well aware that if you were working for
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a small station, and I'm not dissing WMEX, but it
was a small station compared to let's say w NBC
in New York, w the smaller stations tended not to
preserve their stuff unless an individual preserved it. Okay, So
you'll find a lot of stuff that was on NBC
(09:48):
got saved. A lot of stuff that was on the
small local stations did not.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Unfortunately, I got a break to take and I got
to wave good.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Thank you so much for calling Honey, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Thank you, Florence, Bye bye. Anyone else wants to call in?
You know the names. Jack is next and Florence they
called in. You can do the same thing. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine two nine
ten thirty. Time and temperature here on night side eleven
(10:24):
sixteen sixty three degrees.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
We have full line. So do the best I can
to move as rapidly as possible. Jack in Dorchester, you
are next.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Welcome aboard, Jack, Hey, how are you doing all right? Quick?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
When did Peter mea puz?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Oh it was a while, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think it was in the eighties, But I can't
do better than Oh.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
No, no, it was not in the well.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Peter died in Oh and I should know this too.
Give me a second, let me think about it. It
will come to me. Keep talking and it will be.
It will come to me. Peter may good?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
All right, you can finish when I speak.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Because it would have been fairly recent. I thought he
was still alive, were very honest with you.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Because he worked for Tom Andino at one point, and
he also hits them work with the Kennedy Library. Now
I'm not sure whether it was the E. M. K
Library or the the js A Library, but he worked
at one of them. And also, uh, well, he worked
(11:54):
at Busy in the mid eighties, I.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Believe, yes, that's correct. And he worked with Brodnoy, and
he worked with Gary Lapierre and.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Yes, yep, okay, a couple of things. Jerry Williams Now,
he was a kind of funny dude.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
He was.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I remember he had George mcgovernor on when mcgovernment was
born in for president in nineteen seventy two, and they
had a cape of some Vietnam vet who was like
really talked over the crop that he did in Vietnam.
And but after that, I don't know whether he got
(12:37):
censored or something, because he lef ez then and the
next thing I know, it was on the RKO and
became like a real popularist, especially in the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Election in terms of people like Cherry anybody that worked
for wm X going to leave because it didn't pay
very well. But in truth, it would have been unusual
for him to stay at one station talk show hosts DJ.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
He was very nomadic.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
They all came and went.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
He obviously had a couple of stints in Pennsylvania. I
think did he also go to Chicago, Donna.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yes, he was in a whole bunch of places. He
was in Philadelphia, I mean, you name it. There was
a very good chance that he was going to be there.
There's a wonderful book about his.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Life, running up the Air Elfman.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yep, yep, worth reading, definitely worth reading. But no, he
was all over the place, and that was not unusual
because let's be honest, the vast majority of air personalities
have big egos. Okay, I'm like Morgan and I, who
are incredibly humble. There are many big names that just
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you know, they're always getting into this fight or that fight.
They want this money or that money. I understand it.
You know, when you're you've got a lot of listeners,
you think you should get more money, You get into
a fight with management. It used to happen all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And earlier somebody mentioned the name that embodies that example, how.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
It's Stern uh huh, yep, he embodies every other week.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
But now sometimes it wasn't the person's fault, Like Jerry.
I know for a fact he worked in New York
and then he was doing fine and the station's changed
format and they wanted the new people wanted to bring
in their own staff, and he was out of a job.
You know that happened too, so so yeah, it was
(14:55):
not unusual for him to go from station to station.
Him in about twenty thousand of his closest friends.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Anything else, Jack, Yeah, this is something you could pick
up sometimes if I.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Do find out anything else about Peter Mee, because I
cannot find anything about his passing. He may even still
be around for all I know. But if something did happen,
it would have been recent.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, because I haven't heard anything either, I'm assuming that
would be well probably, I would hope would be on
vz okay, Pete, Like I was saying, at some point,
I hope you will pick this up, maybe toward the
end of the year, because it's a really good subject
(15:42):
and you haven't even covered Like Gary lapiero.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Oh, we got we could go on for six hours
on this topic. I want to get a start.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I limited the names to people who all fit this category.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
They had a five day a week talk show. Gary
Pierre did not.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Okay, and we could get to newspeople. We oh my god,
the possibilities.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Around news, weather, sports.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Okay, we could talk about Don Kent, I mean he
was a weather guy, but everybody knew Don Kent.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And Kill Santos.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Yes, so yeah, So we tried very hard to just
restrict it to talk show hosts. And we appreciate your
calling in.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Okay, all right, I'll talk to you some other time.
Margan I cast him down.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Now, okay, you know where to find me every week
here every week ten to midnight Saturdays. Take care and
now yeah, yeah, we have time, plenty of time. Let's
go to David from Drake It. David, let's talk about
your favorite busy talk host of yesteryear.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
Well, all of them. The sickening thing is that there
are none today. That's what bothers me. And there's no prospects.
You know, what you listen to today is pure crap, I
mean compared to them, and we can't duplicate to them.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
They're gone.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
That's unfortunate. I did want to say.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Let me say Dan Ray, who does eight midnight Monday
through Friday.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, he's a very good talk show host.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And I'm not saying that because I'm sitting in his seat.
I'm just saying this as an observer of radio in Boston.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Yeah, well that's your opinion. I don't put him in
a category with the people you're talking about. No, I
won't go into the reasons, but there are reasons. But
the reason I'm calling it just dawned on me. With
Jerry Williams, I remember going out to see him in
a play. Actually I went because a friend of mine
(18:03):
was in a headline the play. It was a pre
Broadway play and Jerry Williams got cast in it in Chicago,
but I don't think he was working in Chicago. It
was a comedy called The Butter and egg Man with
Tom Poston, and it was to go to Broadway. It
(18:24):
was on tryout, and somehow Jerry Williams got a part
of it. But I don't recall whether he was working,
working in Chicago or not working at that time nineteen
sixty eight.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
But anyway, good good, Yeah, if.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
I may, what happened. I was a big fan of
a show of many I worked for a lot of
the radio stations here in Boston over the years. In
sales and in programming, and I wanted to ask you,
(19:03):
oh about Monitor on NBC was one of my favorites.
Do you recall Monitor. I was surprised that Jordan Rich
one day when I brought it up, didn't know what
I was talking about. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
But I'm sure you know, Oh, I certainly do know Monitor.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
Yes, I could get enough of that show with its
interviews and music and news highlights, and had such a
variety of things with personalities of the day. You know,
most of them was out of New York, most.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Of those, in fairness. In fairness to Jordan's it was
a little before his time. It got started on radio
in the fifties. I remember it because I grew up
in the fifties, and by the time Jordan was on
the year full time, it was gone, moved over to television.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Well, it ran through the seventies.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
That is correct, But I'm saying that the preeminence of
the NBC radio network was long gone and hard to
find by that point, and they had put all their
eggs in the television basket by that point. So yes,
there were still some radio programs, but not as many.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
I was working for WBZ in the nineteen seventies when
Baker was there. Then I worked in the teleshot ye
remember when Baker and there was there more in sales.
I did a lot of work for him. And one
day they said to me, no, we don't keep people.
If you're good, we move you around here at Westinghouse Broadcasting.
(20:49):
We don't keep you at our flagship station. We don't
keep you at any station. We keep moving you around.
I didn't like that. And they are WOWO in Wayne, Indiana,
which was a money I remember that. Yeah, I got
sick when I thought of Fort Wayne. So I said
no to that. And then they said, well, you go
out to New York and talked to WIS And this
(21:13):
was nineteen seventy two, and they told me that as
of the fall, they have a new format. It's called
all News. So think was that at the beginning of
all news in nineteen seventy two, do you recall, I guess.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
You know there was an all news station before that,
but it certainly was one of the biggest of the
new all news stations. By that time. It was becoming
a trend.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Right, give us twenty minutes and we'll give you the.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
World yes, ten ten wins, New York.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
The farthest point in Long Island, Montague, and I was
to canvas Long Island for any you know, advertising activity
and things like that, and I good.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Old days, not good old days.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
But why why the demise of the mor format?
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Why why is that? Did that go away?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:11):
David, I have any idea.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Tell you what.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I've got to take a break, but we will answer
that on the other side of the break. Okay, all right, David,
thank you for the call. One open line if you
want a six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
or eight eight, eight, nine thirty. This is WBZ. You
know that time and temperature eleven thirty sixty three degrees.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All right, four calls. Somebody cheated and they called the
contest line. We we do not encourage that, but they've
been screened and they're in line.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
They're in Q.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I owe David an answer, and I owe David two answers.
One answer. He asked me about did Jerry Williams ever
be on the air in Chicago, And the answer is yes. Briefly,
nineteen sixty five into sixty six he was a WBBM
in Chicago. And the other question, the middle of the
(23:20):
road thing, when Top forty came along, a big band
morphed into a format that they named middle of the Road. Gradually,
as time went on and that audience died off, it
morphed again into soft rock. And I know that it's
(23:44):
not quite the same, but the kind of music that
you would hear on WJIB for example, that's the remainder
of what is middle of the road music. And and
by the way, a shout out to Paul Yovino who
messaged that Peter Mead is still alive, but not in
(24:09):
very good health. So thank you Paul for that. You're
the best.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
All right, and.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Do that do it?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Does that?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Should?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I'll add to that m O N E Y money.
Radio stations will chase money. If they think this format
will make the money, they'll chase it. Talk radio. One
or two stations dared put it on FM. It succeeded.
Now a lot of FM stations across America have talk radio.
(24:43):
It's chase the dollar side period.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
And demographics are too. Where they think the age group
and where they think the audience is right.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And now let me go to Michael and Attleborough. Oh,
Michael nine three, Hello, we're fine.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 11 (25:07):
I don't I've got four quick things to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Important all right, let's go fast.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Forty two of them.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
The first one is I grew up in the fifties.
I'll take them around your age love m E X.
And I gotta tell you I was not happy when
our Ko started doing that the music.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Of that era.
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, down the highway.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
I'll say highway because I don't know what road.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
It was under the bridge near Chinatown.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
There was a big thing for our Ko Way.
Speaker 11 (25:47):
Now you probably remember I'm squeezing this into one. You
probably remember the bands played at Paragrim Park.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Yes, they were on the.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
Far right at the end and you you know, near
the coast.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Uh yeah, yeah, they played.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Uh used.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I used to go to Paragon and go watch Beasy
doing live broadcasts in the Sundeck studio, remember the sun
Deck Studio.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
I left, but in the middle, in the middle, why
did they put up with Jerry what's his name?
Speaker 6 (26:28):
The guy forget what's his name? Jerry Williams?
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Yeah, why didn't they let him go so long? In
the seatbelt thing?
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Money. They got an audience. He got them stirred up,
It got them listeners, It got them.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Let me give you, let me give you inside information.
The traffic department. They're the people that set up the commercials.
What commercials are coming in? When they play? How are
often did they play? Did they play twice a day?
Fifteen times a day? And the traffic department of then
(27:08):
w r KO was making money hand over fist his
his spot spots that they carried. There were no empty spots.
There was no you wanted to sell a bicycle, Let's
say you called them Michael's bicycles, best bicycles.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
In the world. You couldn't get on the show because
there was no room.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
They were making money hand over.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Fin And that's an answer to your question why they
let him go on so long about the seatbelts.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Next, because you took to think you took my time. Okay, okay,
you asked.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
The question, you asked the question.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I'm nice enough to answer the question, and you blame
me for taking your time.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
I'm about five blocks from the restaurant hockey. I called
the guy one day, told.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Him for your name on the Marquees.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
Anyway, The other thing is my brother brought my brother
in law bought a restaurant commercial building in Maine and
did down.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Why am I for getting named?
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Who was the weatherman?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We talked about Kent?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Don Kent?
Speaker 11 (28:18):
Did we have a wooden backdrop for the for the
you know the weather?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
What about it?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
Hole made one?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:30):
They were all homemade in the early days. Nothing was electronic.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Rather in law when he bought that building, it was
in there, one of them because he I think Duncan
had lived in me. It was in there and he
gave it to a local shirt So who knows what
happened to it?
Speaker 6 (28:47):
And he had okay, well, but it wouldn't it would
not surprise me. So much of the early stuff was
just like loving hands at home productions. They just made
it themselves. They used a lot of whiteboards and glue, wood,
whatever they could come.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Up with, chicken wireing, bubble gum. So what's the last thing.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
I believe that I called?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Did you have?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Was Zi a guy?
Speaker 11 (29:14):
It might have been one of the King guys you
talked about. Lived Gove off the VFW Parkway, Well Dave.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Or something like that, Well Dave Well Street.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Oh Well Street in West Roxbury. That's Simon, Yes, mel
Simon LeMond.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
What happened is I was at Yadstil, Framingham. There was
a box of reel to reel tapes.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Oh, I have so many stuff.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
I didn't bought a taking them, and but I did.
I got mel Simon's number. I don't know it said
to her big bands. I don't know if they were
DJs on it. And the final thing is my brother
taught me something about going out on the queue in
the sixties. Emi x us to play red River Rock
to the news by the games.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Okay, it would not surprise.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Me, all right, Michael, let me help Michael.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
It played instrumentals up to the news. In the event
the things ran late, you always had the instrumental.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I don't have the date, but the first Saturday night
in October, Meil is going to be on with me.
I don't know the date, but he'll be on ten
to midnight. You call him that night and you can
speak to mel Simon's and tell him about the real
the real tapes.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
Okay, thanks for what?
Speaker 9 (30:31):
All right, good night.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Bye bye, Helloha. Where are we going next?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Let's go to Tom from Ohio because he's long distance. Yes, Tom,
what's up?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Hi Hi.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
I was a paper boy in nineteen seventy and during
like when the Vietnam War was going on.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yes, make him remember my father.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
During incomet weather, you know, got like an inch of
snare or something unlike where you would get in Boston,
twenty four inches of snare.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
My father was driving me around in.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
His car and he was listening but w ABC, and
there was.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Glick Larry Click.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
We talked about Larry Click earlier, Larry the Commander.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Larry was this fun It's just funny because I was
jumping out of the car and I'd run down the
whole street and stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You know, Yeah, maybe Larry Click.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
At one point, every four radios that were on in
Boston listening any up withs of fifty different stations AM
and f M, three out of four of those radios
were tuned into Larry Click.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Absolutely, that's the power he had.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yep. And because w b Z was a like a
clear channel station, it got into so many these states,
I mean literally thirty eight states and parts of Canada still,
I mean, oh, what a signal.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And Tom that was cleare channel?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
What what?
Speaker 10 (32:11):
What was the last thing you.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Said that was called those kinds of stations were called
Clear Channel. They were set up by the FCC so
that they would have no clear.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Different no, not the clear channel of today.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, so.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
That was like a verb.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Clear channel versus the noun the ownership of clear Channel.
And Tom, I got to break the takes. Sorry, I
got a break to take. I want to thank you
for bringing up Laric looks name I love Okay, we
got you get it in just in time. You love
Bradley J.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And you had him for two.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Weeks and that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
And now I'm about to take my last break. I
will guarantee I've got two people on one line available.
I'm not even going to give the phone number if
you want to grab it. Time eleven forty five sixty
three degrees.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's Night Side with Dan Rag on w B Boston's.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
News radio, Last roundup time. And I'm going to go
to North Attleborough and speak to Carrie.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Carrie. Good evening.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Hi Morgan, my name's Karen.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Oh Karen, Okay, hello Cameron.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
Hi, can't Hi Morgan.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Don't forget to say hi to Donna.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Say hi to me.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
It's okay, Hi Donna. I just want to say yeah,
happy labor day to both. Indeed, as we work, I'm doing,
I know I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Good night.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
I thank you for your for your for your time.
But I just have kind of a funny story. I
was thinking of my mother. She passed away in twenty
twenty one, yet one hundred and one years old, while
still had her faculties. But she listened to WBZ all
the time, and she loves Larry Glick. And one day
(34:15):
I said to her, of course, it was probably twenty
five years ago. I said, Geem, I can't sleep, you know,
And she says, well, turn on WBZ and she said,
listen to the to the talk show. So I turn
it on and I'm listening to it. And it was
so interesting in the conversations. I couldn't go to sleep
(34:36):
because I had to stay awake to listen to the conversation.
It was kind of funny, you know. And then my
hairdresser was used to be in high Point Village called
Guys and Girls and talked. I talked to Louis one
day he did my hair and I said, gee, you know,
you know Larry Glick. And he said, Karen, he comes
(34:59):
in here, I cut it see here, I said, you do?
He said, yes, he's one of my customers. Wow, I
met her, Yeah, I did. I met him one day
up in Rosendale, and uh, it was a quick hello.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
He was a funny, funny guy. I was there when
he was inducted when he was inducted into the Massachusetts
Broadcasters Hall of Fame, and he gave just he did
a routine, he did a monologue. It was hilarious.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
So and then he used to whistle that'd go.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
We all know why.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Yeah, but I just wanted to share that I thought
of my mother and yeah, yeah, thank you. She had
a wonderful life, great husband, great father, you.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Know either thank you for calling us.
Speaker 12 (35:55):
Oh, thank you, and have a great night.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Good night, now can I and now Donna. It wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
WBZ if this last caller, and he is the last caller,
was not going to be a participant in this subject.
With the names that we mentioned. Glenn from Brighton.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Oh my god, Glenn, who.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
Glenn?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Hello, we're here here, we're yelling Hello. You don't hear us.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I hear you, but you don't hear me.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I hear you, hear you.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Just fine, you sound adorable.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
Go Oh I didn't know I was was you know
it didn't make that funny.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Noise as they used to say, you're on the air.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
You said hello four times? Is that?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I had two David Breadenoy stories, one on air and
well they were both the one where producer Mark Lavallo
went to his you know We're Living Coppery Square and
found sad dressing in the refrigerator from nineteen seventy five. Yeah,
(37:08):
I think this has expired. You might want to throw
this the way he presented it. Oh you remember this,
I know, go ahead. Yeah, and also remember the night
he had Somebody told him him and Don Fetter were
his favorite anti Marxist. So David decided to run as
(37:30):
an open line topic, who are your favorite anti Marxist?
You only get to I don't want to hold and
everybody called, you know, David Brodnoy, Jeff Jacobe, David Brodnoy,
Jean Burns. I called up with David Brodnoy and Avey
Nelson and for like four minutes, he goes, yeah, Obvy
and I ran his Republican's in a private Yeah, we're
(37:51):
good friends. Anyone. He goes, that's the best.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
I remember, Avey Nelson, I do.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I'll go you one step Further, I worked for Avey Nelson,
he on that TV station, and he hired me to
do that TV show.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Did he really.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Studio sixty two East?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (38:12):
I remember when W E E I was doing talk
radio and they were doing a very very hard right
version of it, and that they had some interesting people on.
It was just kind of angry. That's when you were
just starting to see talk radio move more towards like
angry political radio as opposed to courteous informative radio the
(38:38):
way David did.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Now, Glenn, I'm going to ask you three names that
have not gotten the same amount of mentions tonight. Okay,
Rob Rowley, Paul Sullivan, and Lavelle Diet.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Right, Bob Rowley used to call me a freshy. It
was his freshy. No, I remember very quick, David No,
Abby Nelson and Jerry Williams did a thing the right
and the left on TV. He was before five on five.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Yes, Now do you remember Lavelle Diet Oh?
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Yeah, he used to He got me a piano tune?
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Did he really?
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Now, he was such a philanthropist. I mean that you were.
He really was, And a lot of people don't know
that because they just know what like, Oh they heard
him on wb Z, but when he wasn't doing radio
that he was such a fixture in the philanthropic world.
He did so much for so many people, particularly with
(39:50):
affordable housing. Just a gentleman.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
And I remember when he told me when his mother
used to spank him, she said, I hope this lesson
will be trans formative.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Oh yeah, he and I share the same birthday, I know.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Yeah, Paul Sullivan. I felt terrible when he died of cancer.
I mean I went back in years with him because
I knew Paul as a journalist and when he went
on the you know, with Lowell's son, and when he
went on the year on bus. I mean, I just
thought he was such a nice.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Persons, great newspaper what he used to say.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
And he beat it.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
He passed in two thousand and seven. He was only fifty.
I felt terrible.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
When he beat it came back, he missed like a
week or two in the radio, came back and then
it struck him, struck him down.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Yeah, yep, three times he beat it. We were so hopeful, all.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Right, GLA. I hate to and again a minute to
get off the air. So thank you for being.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
The last caller, Thank you, Honey, you're the best.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And all right. And Donna, thank you, thank you, thank
you God.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
What a privilege. And to everybody listening from all over
the United States, we love you. Thank you for being
with us, and thank you for the opportunity. Morgan, It's
always a privilege.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I always look forward to the next time, and they
will be a next time. So for you, thank you,
for Noah the producer, thank you, for Nancy and Gray,
thank you, and for all the people that both listened
and called or just listened.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Thank you. By Boston
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