December 19, 2025 • 38 mins
The Brown University shooter, also believed to be responsible for the shooting death of an MIT professor two days later in Brookline, Massachusetts, was found dead in a storage unit in Salem, NH. The shooter, identified by police as 48-year-old Claudio Manuel Neves Valente died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Valente was a former Brown University grad student and previously attended the same university in Portugal as the MIT professor who was killed. Police are still investigating a motive. We discussed all the known facts in the investigation, the timeline of events, and what we know about the shooter.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you very much, Ale Griffin, as we start the
wrap up of a week.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What a week it was.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Anyone who lives in the New England area, for that matter,
anyone who lives I think anywhere in the United States
of America knows what a horrific seven days we have
just endured in this region, beginning with last Saturday's Saturday
afternoons cold blooded murder of two Brown University undergraduates and
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the seriously wounding of upwards of a dozen others, six
of whom are still dealing with their injuries and are hospitalized.
A couple who were in critical condition have been upgraded.
And it begins to look as if the only two
people who will have lost their lives were killed almost
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instantaneously last Saturday afternoon. A manhunt began Saturday night, on
Saturday afternoon, and on Monday we heard about the murder,
a separate murder in a different state in Brookline, of
a doctor, a very influential professor. I should say at
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m I T just just a waste and we none
of us, I don't think too many of us instinctively
would have linked these two these two incidents, separated as
they were by the distance between providence in Brookline, Massachusetts,
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but the killing and professor Nuno Lurero, who was a
born in Portugal, did his undergraduate work in Portugal and
did his graduate work in physics in England and now
was teaching at m I T and was the head
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of several departments at m I T at least a
couple of departments in m I T h And for
most of the week, certainly through Wednesday, it appeared as
if whoever had done these deeds, and we weren't sure
if it was one person or if it was more
than one person, they remained at large and people were terrified,
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terrified in Rhode Island, understandably terrified, some in Massachusetts in Brookline,
and yesterday we began to understand that this this activity
had spread not only from Rhode Island into Massachusetts, but
now into New Hampshire and today in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
The autopsy on the.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
This this madman's there's just no other way to describe him.
I'm not going to be kind to him and say
the deceased know this madman. He he apparently committed suicide
on Tuesday. He didn't even have the decency. Claudio Manuel
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Nevius Valenti of Valenti didn't have the decency if he
had simply called and said, look, I'm I'm killing myself.
You'll be able to find me in this storage area,
this storage warehouse in Salem, New Hampshire. You know, sorry
for the inconvenience, but I'm moving on.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It would have saved a lot of aggravation and a
lot of anxiety.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But he didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
The coward that he was took his own life in
this storage facility. I discovered last night some great police
work helped helped by civilians, including the crazy part of
the story is that there was this fellow who's a
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twenty ten is I understand that graduate of Brown University
who is homeless apparently I'm not sure what work he does,
but he somehow interacted with this shooter last Saturday before
the murders. He got into an argument with a very
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dangerous individual, not knowing what a dangerous individual that person was,
but that individual came forward. He didn't come forward immediately.
He came forward after his picture was distributed by the
authorities down there as a person who they wanted to
talk to. They never categorized him as a person of interest,
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and he had the license plate number, he had the
make of the car, which then led them to the
property the rental company that had rented the car to
the killer. They then had clear and clean pictures of
the killer and it just opened up the investigation. As
a matter of fact, the the Attorney General down in
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Rhode Island said that this individual, he himself, was the
one that blew the investigation open. Now, there was a
big news conference last night. We played a lot of
it for you. I'd like to play some of the
sound from the US Attorney, Lea Foley. We invited the
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US attorney to join us tonight for a few minutes,
but I think she's probably a little overwhelmed with the
number of media requests that she has. So this is
a little bit of her news conference from last night,
which I thought she, as the one person at the
news conference, did a much more effect and clear explanation
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of what is, what happened, what transpired then the multi
person news conference down in Rhode Island, but that was
their style down here. This is the US attorney from Massachusetts,
Leah Foley, talking last night about how this all came together.
Cut one, please Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
This is what we learned during this multi jurisdictional investigation.
Nis Valente studied at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island,
on an F one visa around two thousand to twenty
twenty one. He eventually obtained legal permanent residence status. Previously,
he attended the same academic program as the MIT professor
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Nuno Louriero in Portugal between nineteen ninety five and two thousand.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's pretty clear to draw this connection. I mean, it's
a factual connection. We will never know because the cowardly
killer took his own life apparently on Tuesday. If he
had had a personal vendetta, clearly in a vendetta against
the forty seven year old professor to the extent that
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he killed him in the foyer of the professor's home
on Monday night. It's he lived. He was a resident
of Florida. Tonight, in one of the nightly newscasts, I
saw he lived in a rented in a very impressive
looking house in Florida, And of course the neighbors always
had the same reaction.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He seems seemed like a gentle guy, just saw a
mountain the yard, he'd wave and say hello.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know, no one ever says we knew he was
a nutjob, and we're not surprised by this. It's always
amazing in America when when someone just loses it, everybody
describes him it's a wonderful. He was a wonderful man.
He helped me take out the trash barrels. This again,
is US attorney Leo Foley yesterday talking a little bit
about his background. Cut one a rum.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Although nives Blente appeared to reside in Florida between November
twenty six and November thirty of this year, he rented
a hotel room in Boston. On December first, he rented
a great Nissan CenTra with Florida plates from a car
rental agency in Boston. That same day, he drove to
the vicinity of Brown University, where his car was observed
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intermittently between December first and December twelfth.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
This guy, you know, planned it, deliberately, decided he was
going to take vengeance on students who he had never met.
He must have had and this was a classroom that
he probably as a student in the year academic year
two thousand to two thousand and one, probably spent a
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lot of time in that classroom before he actually decided
to withdraw from the SKO, and within about a year
after that he took a leave of absence. Strike that,
he took a leave of absence in the spring of
two thousand and one, and then a year or so
later he withdrew from the school, never achieving the doctorate
in physics that he aspired to.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So a lot of.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Anger must have percolated within this guy system for a
long time, and the commonality, obviously is his academic career.
That is where, in my opinion, the motive lies. He
took it out on the people who just happened to
be at a study group in that room, and he
must have waited for them, and then of course he
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took it out on this professor. We don't know if
they were friends in Portugals. We probably will find out
at some point. But such a waste, such a way,
and then he kills himself. It makes there's nothing that
makes sense about it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
This.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
We can come up with a motive, we can figure
out what he you know, what probably motivated will never
know from him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
He's dead.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's just too bad that he didn't kill himself about
two months before this, before he killed other innocent people.
Very frustrating to think that people like this live amongst us.
We're constantly told by public officials if you see something,
say something, and then if you say something and someone
is offended by it, then you become criticized for having
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said something in the first place. But it's this week
was as troubling a week to me that I can
remember since the Boston Marathon bombing. Obviously, the magnitude of
the Boston Marathon bombing and the number of people impacted
by it directly as a multitude of.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
What this was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But to think that someone was within our midst and
basically had a list, had a hit list, didn't have
the names of the student that he killed at Brown.
He just went into that room to try to kill
as many as he could. But he certainly knew who
the professor was that he killed, and he knew that
he was going to take his own life. The only
lines open right now is six one seven, well, six
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one seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, But the is
our regular line that's full. The line that has opened
six one seven are the lines that are opened six
one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. I would like to
ask all of you to become there's nothing we can
do about this. I don't think there's a thing we
can do about this, but it's just it is such
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a waste. I don't know if we'll ever know if
this guy had ever threatened this professor, but this professor's
was a husband and.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A dad of three kids. A lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Let's work our way through this and then we'll get
a little more positive. In the eleven o'clock hour tonight,
my name's Dan Ray. I'm upset about this. I'm I'm
really upset about it. I know how much my friends
talked about it. I know how family members talked about it.
This is not the way things are supposed to happen
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in people's lives, particularly to this professor and his family's.
It's inexplicable. That's the only word that I can describe.
How could this guy hold the bile in his system
for twenty years and then act as he did this
week in a place that he probably hasn't been in
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twenty years. Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
After This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio, there's.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
A story that I've just seen which is out of Australia.
Australia of course had that horrific beach shooting on Bondi
Bandai Beach. But this story in this Australia outlet news
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dot com dot au for Australia out of Sydney, Australia quotes.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Quotes.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
The Portuguese media outlet Espresso reported that Valente from Tauris,
Torres Novas in central Portugal attended Lisbon's is s T
Institution at the same time as professor Loreiro. They were
classmates and Valenti was the top student that year. Valenti
was the top student that year. Most this is a
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quote now from the president. Most classmates have no memory
of the student Claudio Valente, other than the fact that
he was the best in the class that year. I
s T President Ruggierio Colocco told the outlet. By contrast, Lorrero,
who taught nuclear science and engineering as well as physics
at m I T, maintained links with is HE institution
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professors boy I had not heard that before. David in
Jamaica plane, Hey, David, welcome here first this hour in
night side.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Thank you, Dan. I mean it is so incredibly bizarre.
I mean, as a criminal profiler or behavioral analysts, how
could you ever make that you could have never put
the linkage together to get to this man. You know,
you must agree.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
How bizarre is that that this guy he.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Just snapped and became a killer?
Speaker 7 (14:43):
It just wow.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, the thing is that first a couple lessons. One
none of us have promised tomorrow, and we all know
that we could be hit by a bus tomorrow. You can,
you know, you can have a major medical issue, so
lives change. No one's guaranteed anything, But no one could
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have ever anticipated that Professor Lorero would die this way.
I mean you and and and at the he ends
of a classmate. And this this Portuguese media outlet Tonight
is reporting that Valente was the top student in the class. Now,
if he was the top student in the class, and
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let us say that his life just didn't go the
way he had expected. Uh, maybe that was the source
of his jealousy, his frustration, his anger that finally just
built up, built up and built up and and and
broke open last week. I mean, the connection, obviously is
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his academics have haunted him. Uh, you know, his his
his his academics in Portugal and his failure failure at Brown.
I mean, he must have been a smart guy to
have been admitted to a doctoral program at Brown University.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
I just it, just it continues to.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Amaze me that they could connect all the dots and
get to this man and the idea that he did.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Wait a second, hold on, I don't think I'm amazed
that they got to him, because when you think about it,
the guy that he had the beef with, whose picture
was publicized I guess it might have been on Monday,
came forward and explained that he had a beef with
this guy. The guy who was who he had the
beef with is at nineteen as a twenty ten graduate
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of Brown University, as was reported, who was living in
the basement of this building, and apparently he first bumped
into him in the men's room.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
And well, how much irony, how much, how much irony
is involved.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's unbelievable, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean, I don't know how many how many Ivy
League colleges provide housing, whether they realize it or not,
for for people who have graduated in their program and
now find themselves to be homeless. And then but he
had the wherewithal He apparently had some either photograph of
the car. Maybe he followed this guy back and they
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had an argument, and finally the guy turned to him
at some point and said, why are you harassing me?
This is what the killer had the audacity to say
to the guy. He's about to kill people, and he's
he's protesting that that that he's being harassed.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
The guy should have heard housed him.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
I think that I think that when you kill people.
I was very upset that they did not announce the
names of those poor souls that got murdered and got killed.
You know, they just they did They didn't, They didn't,
you know, they didn't initially, David.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
They hold on, They always hold on something like that
until the family, the at least the immediate family has
been notified. I mean, this is a girl from Alabama, uh,
and a and a man, a woman from Alabama and
a man from Uzbekistan. Now you're not gonna, probably on
a Saturday afternoon, have.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those numbers on, you know, on your.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Cell phone, so they never want you know. Obviously the
parents might have heard this has been a shooting at Brown,
but most people are gonna say, oh my god, but
I'm sure my child will be okay. Well, they have
to notify people before they can release names. That's that's
why any delay that was involved.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That you're referring well, I mean you're talking and two
and three days later they were still referring them as
but you know that's not here or there. But I Dan,
how do you like you? You're very emotion You're so
connected to the society and community. It is so heartbreaking,
and for you to get on the rate to talk
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about it, I don't. I thank you for for continuing
to present to help us cope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well, I appreciate, hope, I appreciate that. I think that's
a role that we can play tonight. And I want
to here from as many people. We're going to talk
about this until eleven o'clock. There's not nothing. What else
am I going to talk about tonight?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know the Patriots chance to beat the Ravens on
Sunday night, that's from the weekend. I want to I
want to help people move past this tonight, not to
forget it, but to but to say, look, Honikah, we're
celebrating Honkkah. Uh with all of this horrific activity events. Uh,
and we're about to go into Christmas. So David, I
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appreciate your call.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Can I can, I jan can I say one more thing?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Sure? Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I I I just think that speaking about Honiker in
the Jewish community, I don't think this Mandani is ever
going to be able to put a staff together. Every
person he's going to appoint, they're gonna dig into their history,
just like this person that had all of that angry
rhetoric about you. I don't think he's gonna appear to
put a staff together because every person he appoints, they're
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gonna find something in their history that they're in angry,
anti Semitic. You know, I I just watched this watch.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Remember remember, just remember this, David.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The people of New York I believe made a mistake
in electing someone like Mamdani. I made that pretty clear.
I think you know how I feel about that. But
now the people of New York have sort of made
their bed and they're gonna have to deal with it
for four years. So let's wish you. Let's wish it
the best. Thanks so much, David.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Bless God, Bless America.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Couldn't agree with you more in that one. God bless America.
Thanks David. We'll take a quick break for the news
at the bottom of the hour six one seven, two four,
ten thirty. We have one line at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty as well. Let's light these
lines up. Love to hear from as many of you
as possible. How do we move past this? We moved
past the marathon bombing, obviously, we never have forgotten that.
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But we have to move on with our lives, and
we also have to take a lesson, and one of
the lessons I think is we have to be more
observant and we have to be prepared. I just so
wish that that fellow who had had the interaction with
this guy, he must have sensed a problem, and I'm
sure the police have talked with him. It's too bad
that he did not summon the police that night and
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found I mean, you never know. I mean, this guy
could have flipped out right in front of the police
and some lives would have been saved. But look, what's
past his past. We kind of do it. Thank God
that they weren't more people murdered. And as they say,
he was a coward to go take his own life.
But maybe you've got to give him some credit that
he didn't kill even more.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We'll be back on Night's. I'd feel free to join
the conversation. It's so Friday night. It has been a
crazy week here in New England. Uh, those of you
who live around the country, this story has been just
the only story that has been dominant here in New England.
And I want to try to deal with it tonight
and give people a chance to emote on and talk
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about it, say what they want about it, and then
let's move into the let's finish honikah, and let's get
into the Christmas season and and move move past the MPI.
As a friend of mine say, it's coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna go next
to Daniel in New Hipshire. Daniel, you are next on Nightside.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
A good evening. Dan comments here on the Brown University shooter.
It seems like it was just an isolated incident, like
a Caine and Enable type of story, rather than organized crime.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, you're right, it was not organized crime.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But it might have been an isolated incident, but it
was a horrific isolated incident for the two people who
were killed and the dozen or so who were badly wounded.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Right, uh and uh he it's the way it ended
and ended with him dying in a self storage space.
And what when you hear the news and sometimes you
hear the news of like U haul trucks, people using
a U haul truck as a as to run over
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people and things like that, and you know, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Haven't you know, Daniel, Daniel, do me a favorite way
I Daniel, Daniel, listen to me, please. I haven't heard
of anybody being run over intentionally by U haul truck.
I'm not sure what you're talking about there, but look,
there are people amongst us who are not who are
a little off kilter.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
But there is, but there is, there is, there is
like well, let's say, like h I threatening Ivy League
schools with bomb threats. You hear news like you know,
people threatening schools to do something, and that's a school.
When that happened to Brown University. You know, Harvard has
been on the news a lot with the protest.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So what you're playing, what's your point.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Maybe the only point I have there. That's the only
connection that I would have with something that is more
than just a nice elated incident. Since he was I
don't know what type of gunna use, but it seemed
like to have to injure twelve people, you have to
have some type of sophisticated machine, and obviously the guy
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knew how to use the rifle too.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I don't think it was a rifle, Daniel. I hate
to disappoint you. I don't think it was a rifle.
I think that it was a It's been described as
a handgun, and you can do a lot of damage
when you walk into a room people are sitting down
and you announce that you're abou to fire, or you
don't even make an announcement and you fire. It's like
shooting fish in a barrow. And uh, it's it's amazing
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that there were more people killed or badly injured at
that point. He was then able to walk out. I
mean it, it had to be a horrible situation, Daniel.
I I appreciate your call, but I got a I
got Daniel. Daniel, I'm a little tight on time here,
and I think you called me last night which is good. Uh,
but you're supposed to leave it to one a week,
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so we'll talk next week. And I appreciate you call
and you have a great weekend. Okay, thanks Daniel. Well
let me go next to ramone, ramone in Lexington. Ramone
let next on Knightsaga, right ahead.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
How you doing. Uh yeah, my condolences to all the
all the lost, the lost ones, you know, very very bad.
But uh, the way I was looking at it, I mean,
you know this this two individuals, uh, foreigners you know,
and I mean you know, making it to the US,
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it's just a one step you know what I mean,
you still got to make it once you're year.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So you talk about remote remote. Let me just make
sure I underso what you're saying. You're saying two individuals
were foreigners. In effect, there were three because one of
the victims was a student from Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He was here as a first year student.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
The killer was here I believe as a as a
as a as aid he was here as a resident,
as a legal resident, but he was from Portugal and
the professor who he killed, the other guy killed, was
also here from Portugal.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
So correct. But what I'm saying there if they were
really really you know, like you know, they were taking
they were both in physics. I mean it looked like
maybe they had a fallout once once they got here.
I mean one found success and the other one didn't.
You know, it could probably because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, no, there there's no proof of that. We do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
What we do know is this, let's let's try to
stick for the moment with what we do.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
And they attend to No, it will just be thinking
that you don't understand.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, let me work with you. Let me work with you.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They went to the same school in Lisbon in Portugal
from nineteen ninety five to two thousand and there was
a report tonight from a statement out of that school
that the guy that was the killer was the number
one student in the class. Now, was he jealous of
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the success that if he was the number one student
in the class, was he jealous of the success of
the professor from mit who he killed. I guess you
might begin to look at that, But it's twenty years ago.
How do you hold the grudge for twenty years? That's
a long time.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Twenty five years ago.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And the way we live in today, I mean, everybody
has a lot of pressure but to go ahead and
do that, I mean night. You know, maybe he was
expecting him to take him along with him, you know,
I mean that that guy he had his dreams made,
you know, and you know, and that's good. That's what
you come here to the US for you you want
to make it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, he was living in a from a picture I
saw tonight, he was living in a would look like renting,
but living in a very nice home in Florida. Some
of his neighbors said, oh, he was a quiet guy
and all of that. But I just it just seems
to me that during the course of our lives, all
of us, we run into people who we just don't,
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you know, get along with. You know, you just I'm
sure there are people who you've worked with or went
to school with, and you know it just they weren't
you're a cup of tea.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
How they determined the time of death of the guy
at that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They're now saying, yeah, I have an answer for that question.
I got a lot of you got some good questions
and I got some answers. The autopsy was conducted in
New Hampshire today. His body was found last night and
the autopsy UH concluded that he died and they can
only approximate it on the fifteenth, which would have been
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I'm trying to think the fifteenth of the sixteenth. I
think they said Tuesday he killed He killed the professor
on Monday night, and so it's conceivable that that he
drove to New Hampshire and killed and you know, went
into this storage.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Unit and killed himself there. That's where his body was found.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And because you know, because of the decomposition of the body,
the autopsy officials in New Hampshire was a concluded.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
No, I asked that because I was watching the interview
about you know, how they were checking this guy down.
I you know, I was wondering if he just you
know that they said at some point that they they
had information, they had not put it out yet, and
I wondered up to be did that will put the
pressure on the guy?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, he probably knew he had a lot of pressure
on him.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And if he did decide to kill himself on today's
the nineteenth, So if if their conclusion is he killed
himself Monday, he probably drove directly to New Hampshire and
killed himself sometime before midnight. They were very specific. That's
what that's what the autopsy revealed late today, that he
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had killed himself. Yeah, well it said, excuse me, strike
that for a second. The autopsy report released today said,
this showed the suspect that's estimated to have died on Tuesday,
December sixteenth. Obviously he died after he killed the professor.
And if he went, if he went to New Hampshire
and slept on it or whatever and got up in
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the morning, who knows. Such a waste, a waste all around,
and a waste that was inflicted upon innocent people, those
student so he killed and who he wounded, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Know who they were.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't know how well he knew the professor, but
obviously he harbored a grudge against that professor who he
had gone to school with uh in Lisbon in Portugal
in the late nineteen nineties, and he harbored that and
he acted upon it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Ramon, thank you so much for your call.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
This is your first time call it. By the way,
is this your first time calling?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
No, no, I was poled before.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
We'll keep calling.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Thank you very much for you all right, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Have a merry Christmas. If you celebrate Christmas, you too, Okay,
thanks much. I got to take a break. I got
some open lines, which was always discouraging.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
This is a big story.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Your thoughts on this from whatever perspective you want six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
This story, I'm sure we'll fade in the minds of
most of us, just as the Boston Marathon bombing has faded.
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The anger, the fear that all of us felt back
then didn't last forever. We move on with our lives.
We will turn the page on twenty twenty five in
about a little less than two weeks, and we'll be
off to twenty twenty six. But I think it's important
to talk about this tonight, and I hope you'll join me.
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We will talk about it till eleven me with you
or me alone, it doesn't matter, and then we will
do a twentieth hour at eleven o'clock tonight. My name
is Dan Ray, coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's nice Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Oh get us go to Alex and Millis Alex next on.
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Nightside, Go right ahead, Hey Dan, thanks for taking my call.
How to do it a great I was gonna say,
you know how tragic this is. And my couple of questions,
what was this guy doing, you know to you know,
he was planning this out, He must have needed money.
How was he getting along financially? And then everybody hates AI.
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But because of AI, there's a company called I think Flock.
If I'm not mistaken, they're able to track down, you know,
the type of vehicle, the color, the make, and it
really led to, you know, to a closure.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, I'm familiar with that company.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We were we talked about an incident in Cambridge where
they have actually installed some public cameras and many people
in Cambridge feel those public cambriage cameras are interfering with
their personal privacy. Are there expectation of privacy? I don't
think when you're walking a public street you have any
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expectation of privacy at all.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
The fellow.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, So one of the broadcasts tonight is a good
friend of mine. He is one of the vice one
of the leaders of this group. He's a very smart guy,
guy named Dan Haley. All right, yeah, and theres of money, Alex,
I don't know that this guy had gainful occupation. He
was only forty eight years old. They shoot her. The
man he killed, the professor was forty seven, which is
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understandable since they were classmates in college many years ago.
I have no idea, but he was renting looked like
a very nice property in Florida. Yeah, I guess he
was found with nine hundred dollars in cash. He died
with nine hundred dollars in cash near him, right, So I.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Was just gonna say real quick, I know this is
not on a topic, but going forward, I think the
new year, I'm starting my resolutions now. And it's the
rule of fifty, which is my rule fifty push ups fifties.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh that's good to hear, Alex. You get in shape
and do me a favor. Keep us posted it because
and when you get down in shape, send us some
pictures and we'll post them on night side.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Do I send him to Cabot Place where.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, Cabot Place would be perfect. Yeah, thanks, Alex, talk
to you soon. Let me go to Rick and Merrimack.
That's fascinating, Alex, Hey Rick next on nights.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I go ahead.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Oh goodness, how could that be so fast?
Speaker 8 (35:07):
I get to me. All right, thank you for.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
Speaking the subject you're speaking of, did you have a
question of it or well?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, My question is how do we move past it?
What do you think about all of this reck?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'll give you.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I'll give you an opportunity, all right, give me three seconds.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
That's about what I can say is.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
We put too much.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Into this event.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
We've had enough events from the past, as you know.
And I'll leave it that and you can throw what
you want from there.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm all set Rick if that's If that's what you
like to add. We appreciate your contributions. Thank you very
much for calling.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
I thank you for speaking to me.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
We have a great night. Let me go to Robert
and Halifax. Robert, you're next night, right A, Robert, you
gotta I have.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
A different concern than your Carls. In nineteen ninety, I
think December eleventh, I was at a school called the
Abraham Lincoln in Boston on Islington Street. Two ninth greaters
get into an argument, Robin L. Reynolds and case Ley at.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Him who those individuals would be? Why you want it?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why do you want to talk about something that happened
in nineteen ninety It is twenty twenty five. That would
be my calculation proxy thirty five years ago. What relevance
that does that have to do with this irrelatively difficult week.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
The irrelevance is this, there could be a coffee cat Renolds
killed this way that down in Norton or Easton. Another
boy walks into a classroom with stabs another kid.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, again, it's a little I would assume those cases
have been investigated pretty thoroughly. To be honest with you, Robert,
it's interesting that you wanted to bring them up tonight.
I don't think that there's there's no indication that there's
any relevance to those cases.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
As a matter of fact, both the.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Victim and the perpetrator in the killing of the professor
from from Brookline we're living in Portugal and we're about
twelve and thirteen years old at the time. I don't
think that they had ever heard of that story. So,
but thank you for calling an attempting to add to
the conversation. Tonight, we'll talk again. Here comes the news. Okay,
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there's three interesting calls in a row. Okay, so we
know about Alex's push ups that and Rick hoped for
some questions I'm really hoping that in the next hour
we're going to improve the quality of calls here. We
did have a couple of good calls earlier. I would
like to hear from you six ONOT seven, two, five, four,
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ten thirty. This was a devastating event this weekend. I'd
like to talk about it, and we will move on
after that. But coming back right after the ten o'clock
News joined the conversation, this was a horrific week. I
think we need each other to get through the balance
of this week and get through the weekend and begin
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the celebration of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Coming back on Nightside,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you very much, Ale Griffin, as we start the
wrap up of a week.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What a week it was.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Anyone who lives in the New England area, for that matter,
anyone who lives I think anywhere in the United States
of America knows what a horrific seven days we have
just endured in this region, beginning with last Saturday's Saturday
afternoons cold blooded murder of two Brown University undergraduates and
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the seriously wounding of upwards of a dozen others, six
of whom are still dealing with their injuries and are hospitalized.
A couple who were in critical condition have been upgraded.
And it begins to look as if the only two
people who will have lost their lives were killed almost
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instantaneously last Saturday afternoon. A manhunt began Saturday night, on
Saturday afternoon, and on Monday we heard about the murder,
a separate murder in a different state in Brookline, of
a doctor, a very influential professor. I should say at
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m I T just just a waste and we none
of us, I don't think too many of us instinctively
would have linked these two these two incidents, separated as
they were by the distance between providence in Brookline, Massachusetts,
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but the killing and professor Nuno Lurero, who was a
born in Portugal, did his undergraduate work in Portugal and
did his graduate work in physics in England and now
was teaching at m I T and was the head
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of several departments at m I T at least a
couple of departments in m I T h And for
most of the week, certainly through Wednesday, it appeared as
if whoever had done these deeds, and we weren't sure
if it was one person or if it was more
than one person, they remained at large and people were terrified,
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terrified in Rhode Island, understandably terrified, some in Massachusetts in Brookline,
and yesterday we began to understand that this this activity
had spread not only from Rhode Island into Massachusetts, but
now into New Hampshire and today in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
The autopsy on the.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
This this madman's there's just no other way to describe him.
I'm not going to be kind to him and say
the deceased know this madman. He he apparently committed suicide
on Tuesday. He didn't even have the decency. Claudio Manuel
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Nevius Valenti of Valenti didn't have the decency if he
had simply called and said, look, I'm I'm killing myself.
You'll be able to find me in this storage area,
this storage warehouse in Salem, New Hampshire. You know, sorry
for the inconvenience, but I'm moving on.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It would have saved a lot of aggravation and a
lot of anxiety.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But he didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
The coward that he was took his own life in
this storage facility. I discovered last night some great police
work helped helped by civilians, including the crazy part of
the story is that there was this fellow who's a
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twenty ten is I understand that graduate of Brown University
who is homeless apparently I'm not sure what work he does,
but he somehow interacted with this shooter last Saturday before
the murders. He got into an argument with a very
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dangerous individual, not knowing what a dangerous individual that person was,
but that individual came forward. He didn't come forward immediately.
He came forward after his picture was distributed by the
authorities down there as a person who they wanted to
talk to. They never categorized him as a person of interest,
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and he had the license plate number, he had the
make of the car, which then led them to the
property the rental company that had rented the car to
the killer. They then had clear and clean pictures of
the killer and it just opened up the investigation. As
a matter of fact, the the Attorney General down in
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Rhode Island said that this individual, he himself, was the
one that blew the investigation open. Now, there was a
big news conference last night. We played a lot of
it for you. I'd like to play some of the
sound from the US Attorney, Lea Foley. We invited the
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US attorney to join us tonight for a few minutes,
but I think she's probably a little overwhelmed with the
number of media requests that she has. So this is
a little bit of her news conference from last night,
which I thought she, as the one person at the
news conference, did a much more effect and clear explanation
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of what is, what happened, what transpired then the multi
person news conference down in Rhode Island, but that was
their style down here. This is the US attorney from Massachusetts,
Leah Foley, talking last night about how this all came together.
Cut one, please Rob.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
This is what we learned during this multi jurisdictional investigation.
Nis Valente studied at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island,
on an F one visa around two thousand to twenty
twenty one. He eventually obtained legal permanent residence status. Previously,
he attended the same academic program as the MIT professor
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Nuno Louriero in Portugal between nineteen ninety five and two thousand.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's pretty clear to draw this connection. I mean, it's
a factual connection. We will never know because the cowardly
killer took his own life apparently on Tuesday. If he
had had a personal vendetta, clearly in a vendetta against
the forty seven year old professor to the extent that
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he killed him in the foyer of the professor's home
on Monday night. It's he lived. He was a resident
of Florida. Tonight, in one of the nightly newscasts, I
saw he lived in a rented in a very impressive
looking house in Florida, And of course the neighbors always
had the same reaction.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He seems seemed like a gentle guy, just saw a
mountain the yard, he'd wave and say hello.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know, no one ever says we knew he was
a nutjob, and we're not surprised by this. It's always
amazing in America when when someone just loses it, everybody
describes him it's a wonderful. He was a wonderful man.
He helped me take out the trash barrels. This again,
is US attorney Leo Foley yesterday talking a little bit
about his background. Cut one a rum.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Although nives Blente appeared to reside in Florida between November
twenty six and November thirty of this year, he rented
a hotel room in Boston. On December first, he rented
a great Nissan CenTra with Florida plates from a car
rental agency in Boston. That same day, he drove to
the vicinity of Brown University, where his car was observed
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intermittently between December first and December twelfth.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
This guy, you know, planned it, deliberately, decided he was
going to take vengeance on students who he had never met.
He must have had and this was a classroom that
he probably as a student in the year academic year
two thousand to two thousand and one, probably spent a
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lot of time in that classroom before he actually decided
to withdraw from the SKO, and within about a year
after that he took a leave of absence. Strike that,
he took a leave of absence in the spring of
two thousand and one, and then a year or so
later he withdrew from the school, never achieving the doctorate
in physics that he aspired to.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So a lot of.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Anger must have percolated within this guy system for a
long time, and the commonality, obviously is his academic career.
That is where, in my opinion, the motive lies. He
took it out on the people who just happened to
be at a study group in that room, and he
must have waited for them, and then of course he
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took it out on this professor. We don't know if
they were friends in Portugals. We probably will find out
at some point. But such a waste, such a way,
and then he kills himself. It makes there's nothing that
makes sense about it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
This.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
We can come up with a motive, we can figure
out what he you know, what probably motivated will never
know from him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
He's dead.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's just too bad that he didn't kill himself about
two months before this, before he killed other innocent people.
Very frustrating to think that people like this live amongst us.
We're constantly told by public officials if you see something,
say something, and then if you say something and someone
is offended by it, then you become criticized for having
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said something in the first place. But it's this week
was as troubling a week to me that I can
remember since the Boston Marathon bombing. Obviously, the magnitude of
the Boston Marathon bombing and the number of people impacted
by it directly as a multitude of.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
What this was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But to think that someone was within our midst and
basically had a list, had a hit list, didn't have
the names of the student that he killed at Brown.
He just went into that room to try to kill
as many as he could. But he certainly knew who
the professor was that he killed, and he knew that
he was going to take his own life. The only
lines open right now is six one seven, well, six
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one seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, But the is
our regular line that's full. The line that has opened
six one seven are the lines that are opened six
one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. I would like to
ask all of you to become there's nothing we can
do about this. I don't think there's a thing we
can do about this, but it's just it is such
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a waste. I don't know if we'll ever know if
this guy had ever threatened this professor, but this professor's
was a husband and.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
A dad of three kids. A lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Let's work our way through this and then we'll get
a little more positive. In the eleven o'clock hour tonight,
my name's Dan Ray. I'm upset about this. I'm I'm
really upset about it. I know how much my friends
talked about it. I know how family members talked about it.
This is not the way things are supposed to happen
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in people's lives, particularly to this professor and his family's.
It's inexplicable. That's the only word that I can describe.
How could this guy hold the bile in his system
for twenty years and then act as he did this
week in a place that he probably hasn't been in
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twenty years. Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
After This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio, there's.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
A story that I've just seen which is out of Australia.
Australia of course had that horrific beach shooting on Bondi
Bandai Beach. But this story in this Australia outlet news
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dot com dot au for Australia out of Sydney, Australia quotes.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Quotes.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
The Portuguese media outlet Espresso reported that Valente from Tauris,
Torres Novas in central Portugal attended Lisbon's is s T
Institution at the same time as professor Loreiro. They were
classmates and Valenti was the top student that year. Valenti
was the top student that year. Most this is a
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quote now from the president. Most classmates have no memory
of the student Claudio Valente, other than the fact that
he was the best in the class that year. I
s T President Ruggierio Colocco told the outlet. By contrast, Lorrero,
who taught nuclear science and engineering as well as physics
at m I T, maintained links with is HE institution
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professors boy I had not heard that before. David in
Jamaica plane, Hey, David, welcome here first this hour in
night side.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Thank you, Dan. I mean it is so incredibly bizarre.
I mean, as a criminal profiler or behavioral analysts, how
could you ever make that you could have never put
the linkage together to get to this man. You know,
you must agree.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
How bizarre is that that this guy he.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Just snapped and became a killer?
Speaker 7 (14:43):
It just wow.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, the thing is that first a couple lessons. One
none of us have promised tomorrow, and we all know
that we could be hit by a bus tomorrow. You can,
you know, you can have a major medical issue, so
lives change. No one's guaranteed anything, But no one could
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have ever anticipated that Professor Lorero would die this way.
I mean you and and and at the he ends
of a classmate. And this this Portuguese media outlet Tonight
is reporting that Valente was the top student in the class. Now,
if he was the top student in the class, and
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let us say that his life just didn't go the
way he had expected. Uh, maybe that was the source
of his jealousy, his frustration, his anger that finally just
built up, built up and built up and and and
broke open last week. I mean, the connection, obviously is
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his academics have haunted him. Uh, you know, his his
his his academics in Portugal and his failure failure at Brown.
I mean, he must have been a smart guy to
have been admitted to a doctoral program at Brown University.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
I just it, just it continues to.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Amaze me that they could connect all the dots and
get to this man and the idea that he did.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Wait a second, hold on, I don't think I'm amazed
that they got to him, because when you think about it,
the guy that he had the beef with, whose picture
was publicized I guess it might have been on Monday,
came forward and explained that he had a beef with
this guy. The guy who was who he had the
beef with is at nineteen as a twenty ten graduate
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of Brown University, as was reported, who was living in
the basement of this building, and apparently he first bumped
into him in the men's room.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
And well, how much irony, how much, how much irony
is involved.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's unbelievable, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean, I don't know how many how many Ivy
League colleges provide housing, whether they realize it or not,
for for people who have graduated in their program and
now find themselves to be homeless. And then but he
had the wherewithal He apparently had some either photograph of
the car. Maybe he followed this guy back and they
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had an argument, and finally the guy turned to him
at some point and said, why are you harassing me?
This is what the killer had the audacity to say
to the guy. He's about to kill people, and he's
he's protesting that that that he's being harassed.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
The guy should have heard housed him.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
I think that I think that when you kill people.
I was very upset that they did not announce the
names of those poor souls that got murdered and got killed.
You know, they just they did They didn't, They didn't,
you know, they didn't initially, David.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
They hold on, They always hold on something like that
until the family, the at least the immediate family has
been notified. I mean, this is a girl from Alabama, uh,
and a and a man, a woman from Alabama and
a man from Uzbekistan. Now you're not gonna, probably on
a Saturday afternoon, have.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Those numbers on, you know, on your.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Cell phone, so they never want you know. Obviously the
parents might have heard this has been a shooting at Brown,
but most people are gonna say, oh my god, but
I'm sure my child will be okay. Well, they have
to notify people before they can release names. That's that's
why any delay that was involved.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That you're referring well, I mean you're talking and two
and three days later they were still referring them as
but you know that's not here or there. But I Dan,
how do you like you? You're very emotion You're so
connected to the society and community. It is so heartbreaking,
and for you to get on the rate to talk
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about it, I don't. I thank you for for continuing
to present to help us cope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well, I appreciate, hope, I appreciate that. I think that's
a role that we can play tonight. And I want
to here from as many people. We're going to talk
about this until eleven o'clock. There's not nothing. What else
am I going to talk about tonight?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know the Patriots chance to beat the Ravens on
Sunday night, that's from the weekend. I want to I
want to help people move past this tonight, not to
forget it, but to but to say, look, Honikah, we're
celebrating Honkkah. Uh with all of this horrific activity events. Uh,
and we're about to go into Christmas. So David, I
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appreciate your call.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Can I can, I jan can I say one more thing?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Sure? Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I I I just think that speaking about Honiker in
the Jewish community, I don't think this Mandani is ever
going to be able to put a staff together. Every
person he's going to appoint, they're gonna dig into their history,
just like this person that had all of that angry
rhetoric about you. I don't think he's gonna appear to
put a staff together because every person he appoints, they're
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gonna find something in their history that they're in angry,
anti Semitic. You know, I I just watched this watch.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Remember remember, just remember this, David.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The people of New York I believe made a mistake
in electing someone like Mamdani. I made that pretty clear.
I think you know how I feel about that. But
now the people of New York have sort of made
their bed and they're gonna have to deal with it
for four years. So let's wish you. Let's wish it
the best. Thanks so much, David.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Bless God, Bless America.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Couldn't agree with you more in that one. God bless America.
Thanks David. We'll take a quick break for the news
at the bottom of the hour six one seven, two four,
ten thirty. We have one line at six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty as well. Let's light these
lines up. Love to hear from as many of you
as possible. How do we move past this? We moved
past the marathon bombing, obviously, we never have forgotten that.
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But we have to move on with our lives, and
we also have to take a lesson, and one of
the lessons I think is we have to be more
observant and we have to be prepared. I just so
wish that that fellow who had had the interaction with
this guy, he must have sensed a problem, and I'm
sure the police have talked with him. It's too bad
that he did not summon the police that night and
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found I mean, you never know. I mean, this guy
could have flipped out right in front of the police
and some lives would have been saved. But look, what's
past his past. We kind of do it. Thank God
that they weren't more people murdered. And as they say,
he was a coward to go take his own life.
But maybe you've got to give him some credit that
he didn't kill even more.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We'll be back on Night's. I'd feel free to join
the conversation. It's so Friday night. It has been a
crazy week here in New England. Uh, those of you
who live around the country, this story has been just
the only story that has been dominant here in New England.
And I want to try to deal with it tonight
and give people a chance to emote on and talk
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about it, say what they want about it, and then
let's move into the let's finish honikah, and let's get
into the Christmas season and and move move past the MPI.
As a friend of mine say, it's coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna go next
to Daniel in New Hipshire. Daniel, you are next on Nightside.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
A good evening. Dan comments here on the Brown University shooter.
It seems like it was just an isolated incident, like
a Caine and Enable type of story, rather than organized crime.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, you're right, it was not organized crime.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But it might have been an isolated incident, but it
was a horrific isolated incident for the two people who
were killed and the dozen or so who were badly wounded.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Right, uh and uh he it's the way it ended
and ended with him dying in a self storage space.
And what when you hear the news and sometimes you
hear the news of like U haul trucks, people using
a U haul truck as a as to run over
(23:31):
people and things like that, and you know, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Haven't you know, Daniel, Daniel, do me a favorite way
I Daniel, Daniel, listen to me, please. I haven't heard
of anybody being run over intentionally by U haul truck.
I'm not sure what you're talking about there, but look,
there are people amongst us who are not who are
a little off kilter.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
But there is, but there is, there is, there is
like well, let's say, like h I threatening Ivy League
schools with bomb threats. You hear news like you know,
people threatening schools to do something, and that's a school.
When that happened to Brown University. You know, Harvard has
been on the news a lot with the protest.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So what you're playing, what's your point.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Maybe the only point I have there. That's the only
connection that I would have with something that is more
than just a nice elated incident. Since he was I
don't know what type of gunna use, but it seemed
like to have to injure twelve people, you have to
have some type of sophisticated machine, and obviously the guy
(24:43):
knew how to use the rifle too.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I don't think it was a rifle, Daniel. I hate
to disappoint you. I don't think it was a rifle.
I think that it was a It's been described as
a handgun, and you can do a lot of damage
when you walk into a room people are sitting down
and you announce that you're abou to fire, or you
don't even make an announcement and you fire. It's like
shooting fish in a barrow. And uh, it's it's amazing
(25:06):
that there were more people killed or badly injured at
that point. He was then able to walk out. I
mean it, it had to be a horrible situation, Daniel.
I I appreciate your call, but I got a I
got Daniel. Daniel, I'm a little tight on time here,
and I think you called me last night which is good. Uh,
but you're supposed to leave it to one a week,
(25:27):
so we'll talk next week. And I appreciate you call
and you have a great weekend. Okay, thanks Daniel. Well
let me go next to ramone, ramone in Lexington. Ramone
let next on Knightsaga, right ahead.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
How you doing. Uh yeah, my condolences to all the
all the lost, the lost ones, you know, very very bad.
But uh, the way I was looking at it, I mean,
you know this this two individuals, uh, foreigners you know,
and I mean you know, making it to the US,
(26:01):
it's just a one step you know what I mean,
you still got to make it once you're year.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So you talk about remote remote. Let me just make
sure I underso what you're saying. You're saying two individuals
were foreigners. In effect, there were three because one of
the victims was a student from Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He was here as a first year student.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
The killer was here I believe as a as a
as a as aid he was here as a resident,
as a legal resident, but he was from Portugal and
the professor who he killed, the other guy killed, was
also here from Portugal.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
So correct. But what I'm saying there if they were
really really you know, like you know, they were taking
they were both in physics. I mean it looked like
maybe they had a fallout once once they got here.
I mean one found success and the other one didn't.
You know, it could probably because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, no, there there's no proof of that. We do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
What we do know is this, let's let's try to
stick for the moment with what we do.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
And they attend to No, it will just be thinking
that you don't understand.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, let me work with you. Let me work with you.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They went to the same school in Lisbon in Portugal
from nineteen ninety five to two thousand and there was
a report tonight from a statement out of that school
that the guy that was the killer was the number
one student in the class. Now, was he jealous of
(27:34):
the success that if he was the number one student
in the class, was he jealous of the success of
the professor from mit who he killed. I guess you
might begin to look at that, But it's twenty years ago.
How do you hold the grudge for twenty years? That's
a long time.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Twenty five years ago.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And the way we live in today, I mean, everybody
has a lot of pressure but to go ahead and
do that, I mean night. You know, maybe he was
expecting him to take him along with him, you know,
I mean that that guy he had his dreams made,
you know, and you know, and that's good. That's what
you come here to the US for you you want
to make it.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, he was living in a from a picture I
saw tonight, he was living in a would look like renting,
but living in a very nice home in Florida. Some
of his neighbors said, oh, he was a quiet guy
and all of that. But I just it just seems
to me that during the course of our lives, all
of us, we run into people who we just don't,
(28:35):
you know, get along with. You know, you just I'm
sure there are people who you've worked with or went
to school with, and you know it just they weren't
you're a cup of tea.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
How they determined the time of death of the guy
at that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
They're now saying, yeah, I have an answer for that question.
I got a lot of you got some good questions
and I got some answers. The autopsy was conducted in
New Hampshire today. His body was found last night and
the autopsy UH concluded that he died and they can
only approximate it on the fifteenth, which would have been
(29:14):
I'm trying to think the fifteenth of the sixteenth. I
think they said Tuesday he killed He killed the professor
on Monday night, and so it's conceivable that that he
drove to New Hampshire and killed and you know, went
into this storage.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Unit and killed himself there. That's where his body was found.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And because you know, because of the decomposition of the body,
the autopsy officials in New Hampshire was a concluded.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
No, I asked that because I was watching the interview
about you know, how they were checking this guy down.
I you know, I was wondering if he just you
know that they said at some point that they they
had information, they had not put it out yet, and
I wondered up to be did that will put the
pressure on the guy?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, he probably knew he had a lot of pressure
on him.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And if he did decide to kill himself on today's
the nineteenth, So if if their conclusion is he killed
himself Monday, he probably drove directly to New Hampshire and
killed himself sometime before midnight. They were very specific. That's
what that's what the autopsy revealed late today, that he
(30:29):
had killed himself. Yeah, well it said, excuse me, strike
that for a second. The autopsy report released today said,
this showed the suspect that's estimated to have died on Tuesday,
December sixteenth. Obviously he died after he killed the professor.
And if he went, if he went to New Hampshire
and slept on it or whatever and got up in
(30:50):
the morning, who knows. Such a waste, a waste all around,
and a waste that was inflicted upon innocent people, those
student so he killed and who he wounded, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Know who they were.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't know how well he knew the professor, but
obviously he harbored a grudge against that professor who he
had gone to school with uh in Lisbon in Portugal
in the late nineteen nineties, and he harbored that and
he acted upon it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Ramon, thank you so much for your call.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
This is your first time call it. By the way,
is this your first time calling?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
No, no, I was poled before.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
We'll keep calling.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Thank you very much for you all right, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Have a merry Christmas. If you celebrate Christmas, you too, Okay,
thanks much. I got to take a break. I got
some open lines, which was always discouraging.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
This is a big story.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Your thoughts on this from whatever perspective you want six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty or six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
This story, I'm sure we'll fade in the minds of
most of us, just as the Boston Marathon bombing has faded.
(32:02):
The anger, the fear that all of us felt back
then didn't last forever. We move on with our lives.
We will turn the page on twenty twenty five in
about a little less than two weeks, and we'll be
off to twenty twenty six. But I think it's important
to talk about this tonight, and I hope you'll join me.
(32:23):
We will talk about it till eleven me with you
or me alone, it doesn't matter, and then we will
do a twentieth hour at eleven o'clock tonight. My name
is Dan Ray, coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's nice Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Oh get us go to Alex and Millis Alex next on.
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Nightside, Go right ahead, Hey Dan, thanks for taking my call.
How to do it a great I was gonna say,
you know how tragic this is. And my couple of questions,
what was this guy doing, you know to you know,
he was planning this out, He must have needed money.
How was he getting along financially? And then everybody hates AI.
(33:06):
But because of AI, there's a company called I think Flock.
If I'm not mistaken, they're able to track down, you know,
the type of vehicle, the color, the make, and it
really led to, you know, to a closure.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, I'm familiar with that company.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We were we talked about an incident in Cambridge where
they have actually installed some public cameras and many people
in Cambridge feel those public cambriage cameras are interfering with
their personal privacy. Are there expectation of privacy? I don't
think when you're walking a public street you have any
(33:45):
expectation of privacy at all.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
The fellow.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, So one of the broadcasts tonight is a good
friend of mine. He is one of the vice one
of the leaders of this group. He's a very smart guy,
guy named Dan Haley. All right, yeah, and theres of money, Alex,
I don't know that this guy had gainful occupation. He
was only forty eight years old. They shoot her. The
man he killed, the professor was forty seven, which is
(34:08):
understandable since they were classmates in college many years ago.
I have no idea, but he was renting looked like
a very nice property in Florida. Yeah, I guess he
was found with nine hundred dollars in cash. He died
with nine hundred dollars in cash near him, right, So I.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Was just gonna say real quick, I know this is
not on a topic, but going forward, I think the
new year, I'm starting my resolutions now. And it's the
rule of fifty, which is my rule fifty push ups fifties.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh that's good to hear, Alex. You get in shape
and do me a favor. Keep us posted it because
and when you get down in shape, send us some
pictures and we'll post them on night side.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Do I send him to Cabot Place where.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, Cabot Place would be perfect. Yeah, thanks, Alex, talk
to you soon. Let me go to Rick and Merrimack.
That's fascinating, Alex, Hey Rick next on nights.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I go ahead.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Oh goodness, how could that be so fast?
Speaker 8 (35:07):
I get to me. All right, thank you for.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
Speaking the subject you're speaking of, did you have a
question of it or well?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, My question is how do we move past it?
What do you think about all of this reck?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'll give you.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
I'll give you an opportunity, all right, give me three seconds.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
That's about what I can say is.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
We put too much.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Into this event.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
We've had enough events from the past, as you know.
And I'll leave it that and you can throw what
you want from there.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm all set Rick if that's If that's what you
like to add. We appreciate your contributions. Thank you very
much for calling.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
I thank you for speaking to me.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
We have a great night. Let me go to Robert
and Halifax. Robert, you're next night, right A, Robert, you
gotta I have.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
A different concern than your Carls. In nineteen ninety, I
think December eleventh, I was at a school called the
Abraham Lincoln in Boston on Islington Street. Two ninth greaters
get into an argument, Robin L. Reynolds and case Ley at.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Him who those individuals would be? Why you want it?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why do you want to talk about something that happened
in nineteen ninety It is twenty twenty five. That would
be my calculation proxy thirty five years ago. What relevance
that does that have to do with this irrelatively difficult week.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
The irrelevance is this, there could be a coffee cat Renolds
killed this way that down in Norton or Easton. Another
boy walks into a classroom with stabs another kid.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, again, it's a little I would assume those cases
have been investigated pretty thoroughly. To be honest with you, Robert,
it's interesting that you wanted to bring them up tonight.
I don't think that there's there's no indication that there's
any relevance to those cases.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
As a matter of fact, both the.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Victim and the perpetrator in the killing of the professor
from from Brookline we're living in Portugal and we're about
twelve and thirteen years old at the time. I don't
think that they had ever heard of that story. So,
but thank you for calling an attempting to add to
the conversation. Tonight, we'll talk again. Here comes the news. Okay,
(37:34):
there's three interesting calls in a row. Okay, so we
know about Alex's push ups that and Rick hoped for
some questions I'm really hoping that in the next hour
we're going to improve the quality of calls here. We
did have a couple of good calls earlier. I would
like to hear from you six ONOT seven, two, five, four,
(37:54):
ten thirty. This was a devastating event this weekend. I'd
like to talk about it, and we will move on
after that. But coming back right after the ten o'clock
News joined the conversation, this was a horrific week. I
think we need each other to get through the balance
of this week and get through the weekend and begin
(38:14):
the celebration of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
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