December 19, 2025 • 38 mins
The Brown University shooter, also believed to be responsible for the shooting death of an MIT professor two days later in Brookline, Massachusetts, was found dead in a storage unit in Salem, NH. The shooter, identified by police as 48-year-old Claudio Manuel Neves Valente died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Valente was a former Brown University grad student and previously attended the same university in Portugal as the MIT professor who was killed. Police are still investigating a motive. We discussed all the known facts in the investigation, the timeline of events, and what we know about the shooter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night with Dan Ray's new Radio. All Right, we
have one hour left in this week, and it's it's
been a tough week for everyone. You know, there's nothing
we can do about the lives that were lost this week.
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I cared, and I'm sure all of you care about
the students at Brown who who were killed, and we
also care about those who have been badly injured or
injured at all. We certainly care about the families of
those individuals, the families of the professor from Brookline, Massachusetts.
I don't particular. I don't care about the guy that
killed himself. You know, I'm not a good enough Christian
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to tell you I care about him at all. I
don't know what drove him to do it. Pure evil,
in my mind, absolute pure evil. There's no way to
explain it. I mean, I know the psychologists will tell
us they have explanations for it, but I'm done with
being sympathetic to people who harm other people and hurt
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other people for no reason. You know, I watched this guy,
Robert Walsh, Brian Walsh, excuse me, walk off to a
life sentence without the possibility parole twenty two years after
after he's after his life ends and no sympathy for
him in terms of what he did to his wife Anna.
I think we as a society need to get a
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little tougher uh and look down on these people and
realize for what they are now again, they're all mental health,
mental health, mental health. There but for the grace of
God goes any one of us. I guess you can
look at it like that. But at the same time,
all of us have things come into our lives, disappointments,
We have tragedies within our families. It doesn't give you
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the right to walk away and and and give up
and to and to harm other people. I think we
as a society have become too soft, uh. And I
think we have to, you know, say look, you know
every time they do these sob stories and somebody who's
murdered three people and I found Jesus in prison. I
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want to move past it, but I just want I
want to say about the murderer, good riddance. You did
nothing that helped people while you were here. You took
a parent, You took a dad away from three children,
You took a husband away from a wife. You took
two amazing young students away from their families forever. There's
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no sympathy for you. You didn't even have the courage
to face your actions. You you basically hid in a
storage facility and then decided to kill yourself. You took
the easy way out. Frustrating U. It is very frustrating,
and that's that's what I'm left with at the end
of this week. I'd love to hear from you. Six
one seven, two five four thirty six one seven nine
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three thirty. John is in Boston. John, as I understand
that you are a first time called it a nightside,
Well come.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sir, Yes, thank you, Thanks Dan, first first.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Time call it correct. I just want to make sure
we do not good well, thank you very much. It's
always interesting to see what prompts people to call for
the first time. I'd love to hear your point of view.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, well, this story, I've been following it all week,
and you mentioned that Brian Walsh story as well, and
I was following that pretty closely too. But first off,
I want to you know, my thoughts on prayers with
all the families impacted by this tragic both tragic events.
But I'll focus on the Brown shooting and you know,
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it's just a shame that. You know, young college kids
go off to college, whether they're local or international students,
and you know, all the fear and anxiety. I have
three kids toolgm are in college, ones in high school
once thinking about where they want to go to college.
And a lot of kids ever since Sandy Hook. I
don't recall when Sandy Hook was exactly, probably fifteen years ago, oh, guests,
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But you know my kids grew up after Sandy Hook
and went through school and doing the drills, you know,
the active shooter drills. And my youngest is sad to
say she's afraid to go to high school. She goes
as Well high school, a nice high school in the
Boston area, and you know she's thinking about, as I said,
going off to college. And you know, school's tough enough
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on kids, some kids, and just to add this anxiety
with you know the possibility of something like this happened
at any school in America. Unfortunately, it's happened all too often,
and just a little inside. I was listening to Seeing
and late this afternoon I taped it, so I don't know,
I don't recall who was asking the questions, but they
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had an old classmate of this shooter, you know, from
twenty five years ago, and he remembers them. He said,
he looked nothing like he did twenty five years ago.
He remembers the professor, the IT professor, being at Brown
with the shooter. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I heard that they Well, I don't know that that
is true because the shooter des I understand that did
his graduate work in a college in London. Again, if
that's accurate, it will come out. The story that I
read earlier was there was a story out of an
Australian newspaper that said that the head of the school
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in Lisbon said that the top student in the class
was the shooter. I mean, I would have said, had
you heard.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
On CNN, this guy said, he said the shooter was
bored back twenty five years ago, a Brown. He did
not like going to Brown, he didn't like Providence. He
was by far the brightest student and the whole PhD program.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, well, let me let me just let me make
sure that we're not that we're talking for the same
There's a statement out of Lisbon from the head of
the school. These guys went to an undergraduate to an
effect a college in Lisbon from ninety five to two thousand.
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They graduated in two thousand and according to the head
of that institute, Valenti, the shooter, the killer, was the
top student in the class. Now, if you had said
to me, who's the top student of the class, I
want to say, well, obviously the guy who's now a
professor at MIT. But I would have been wrong if this.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, he said he was the top student at
Brown years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He wasn't the top student at Brown because he was
accepted to Brown in a graduate postgraduate program to seek
of a doctorate in physics. He entered into in September
of two thousand and then he took a leave of
absence in the spring of that year, and then sort
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of like a temporary leave, and then a year or
so later he withdrew from the university. So I don't
think he would have been the top student at Brown.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, according to his friend twenty five years ago, at Brown,
he said he was by far the brightest person there.
I know he didn't make it through or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, well, okay, so well, I guess it's conceivable
if his argument was that the shooter was so brilliant
that he was bored by the curriculum. I can't imagine
being bored by a curriculum and in a doctoral program
at Brown, but maybe he was. I don't know. I
still have no example.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Was an example? He said there was a physics book
that they used, and he could solve every problem in
the physics book and nobody else could. Well, that's just
an example of how he described.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'll let me ask you a question if I could,
and that is this report that you saw. I'm not
sure where you saw to who this fellow was. But
did he at all, uh, give us any indication as
to what this shooter had done between the time he
left Brown in two thousand and one and uh and
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and what he did at Brown last Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He did not He did not know. I believe he
said he had not spoken to him since two thousand
and three. Yeah, okay, And what what what news had
a challenging personality?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah? Well that CNN is a legitimate news channel. So
I just want to make sure you did tell me that,
and I should have remembered it. So okay, that's Uh.
These are always mysteries, you know. And there were people
who I went to school with I'm sure people who
you went to school with John who you might remember,
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and maybe even close friends of them, and you lose
contact and you lose track, and then you find out.
In my case, my postgraduate education was in the law
at Pawshiniver Law School. There were friends of mine who
you know, you were, you know, casual friends, you weren't
best friends, but you knew one another, and then you
find out fifteen years later, Oh, they that person became
(09:10):
a judge, or that person became a law school professor.
You just can't keep close contact with everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, but he thought there was signs. He had been
interviewed by the FBI today, Yeah, this person on CNN
and a lot of things, like by the questioning from
the FBI. He said there were signs back then, you know,
he had a challenging personality, had picked fights with certain
He was talking about Portugal and Brazil, and there was
someone from Brazil that did pick on for some reason. Yeah,
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you know how Brazil was once a territory of Portugal
or whatever. But yes, he had an example about that, and.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's certainly that that's interesting to know even something like
that that somebody would I don't know looked down on
someone from Brazil because Portugal at one point in time,
uh you know, you know, basically uh owned the entire
you know, west coast of South America. I don't know,
(10:13):
I don't know. Well that was interesting stuff, John. You
you have been the best caller of the night as
far as I'm concerned, because you provided really interesting observations.
I wish I could watch every TV channel and read
every newspaper and be able to tell you everything, but no,
you've And also, you know what you also did when
I asked you questions, You actually clarified your answers for
(10:36):
me and you answered my questions, which I always enjoy.
You know, I was asking them out a genuine interest
and and you provided some really interesting answers. So thank you, sir.
Great first time.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I just wanted to add that the police chief
I saw an interview with him from Providence Police Chief
and he said, how the guy. You could tell the
guy was smart of the investigators to tell he avoided
he never traveled on busy streets to avoid the the
license plate readers and whatnot, that he was very you know,
they could tell they were dealing with someone with a
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high IQ. Yeah, the way he operated and the you know,
before the shooting, well.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He apparently, according to the authorities, I think they said
that he had come up here at some point in October.
He'd been in the area for quite a while. Uh,
And so he did his due diligence, that's for sure.
And they they were able to put him half a
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mile from the professor's house in the moments before that
murder took place. So, you know, no matter how smart
he was, technology and the FBI UH figured it out.
And yeah, and you know, he's not going to harm
anyone else, at least in this life. Thank you, John,
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appreciate your call.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Have a good nights.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yep. What what do you celebrate Christmas? Honkah? What?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'm a merry Christmas guy because I like and I liked.
If friends of mine who celebrate Hanaka, I wish them
a happy Honkah. And again we're still in the celebration
of Honukah. I have some friends who celebrate Kwansa. I
wish them a happy Kwanza. And if you celebrate Festivus,
tell me what I'll sell. I wish you a happy
Festivus with the rest of us. Thanks John, appreciate you call.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I have a great, happy, happy everything to everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's perfect. That's perfect, Thanks John, good night, all right,
get some open lines here. Six one, seven, two, five
ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty
Tina from wusakat Rhode Island, one of my better callers,
is going to be coming up next. There are a
bunch of you who I haven't heard from this week. Remember,
in the eleven o'clock hour, everyone has a hall pass,
(12:48):
So don't I hope you're not sticking around waiting to
call in the eleven o'clock hour because you can call
now as well. I want to know, how do we
get past uh this, this tragedy. I'm not talking about
the people who were immediately impacted. They will never get
past the tragedy. They'll never be closure. I think closure
is one of these words that's kind of a phony
where there's no closure. When you lose a child to
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a ridiculous, nonsensical event like this doesn't make any sense.
There's no closure. There's no closure for the professor's family,
for his wife and his three children. They will live
with his absence for the rest of their lives. Six
one seven two, five, four, ten thirty six, one seven,
nine three one ten thirty some of you might be
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able to offer a comment that might help us move
past this. I think the holidays will help us move
past it. We'll be talking about it, I'm sure for
weeks and then well certainly for the next few days,
and then it'll be over, will be in a new year.
But I want to spend some time tonight talking about it.
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I'm sorry if this bores you, but this is what
I feel we need to talk about tonight. I hope
you do as well. Six one seven, two, four, ten
thirty six, one seven nine.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I'm done you Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, let's go to Tina down in Rhode Island. Tina. Yes,
quite a week in Tina. How are you. I hope
you're doing overay?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yes, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
I tuned in at nine o'clock and I was listening,
and I've been listening and I'm going to hear you
to the end.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I don't have.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Anything to say how we got, how we can get
over it, but maybe I can say this. Maybe it'll
help some of your listeners for me, if there's something
that I'm like and I'm interested in, I just follow
it completely. I'm a news junkie. I love to know
what's going on in the news and politics and everything.
(14:49):
So I think maybe if people are just aware, if
they have more awareness of what's going on not only
in their life in the community and just take it serious,
maybe that's a way to get over it. But the
(15:09):
reason why I want you to talk to you, I
just want to.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Tell you that I think that's a pretty nice, pretty
keen observation that there's a lot of people who who
probably were not aware of this, and I think that's sad.
But you're right. People need to be more aware. They
need to tune in more to the world of room.
They're missing a lot of great stuff. Go ahead, I
didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Okay, that's okay. My question is this, when an event
like this happens in Providence and the people and the
authorities and Providence and the people in authorities in Massachusetts,
when this happens, will they be trying to get in
contact with family Because I know the MIT professor, he
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has family, and they contact him them if they want too.
Is that standard practice when they want to find out information.
Will the providence authorities try to get in contact with
the killers from from you know, the one who killed
people at the university. Will they try to get in
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contact with family members to find out a motive?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh? Yeah, well absolutely. I thought initially you were asking
about contacting people who are victims of crime. Someone asked
the last hour. Now, someone last lasked last hour, How
you know, how did they contact family and why didn't
they get released the names of the victims earlier? They
want to They want to protect the family and make
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sure that the family does not hear about it or
on the news media. So they want to make sure
the same way when a soldier dies overseas, they want
to make sure that the family has a chance to
be told that horrific news before they they're driving to
work or they're driving to the grocery store. Notification. You
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bet you. They'll try to find out what they can
about this guy. I mean, if nothing else, you want
to find out if he was really acting as he
appears to have been, as a lone wolf who had
a grudge. I mean, this all suggests to me that
he had a grudge against the School of Brown where
he apparently dropped out of that he had a grudge
against this, this fellow classmate from the college in Lisbon,
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who obviously had far exceeded whatever hopes and dreams this
guy had. The professor was the head of a nuclear
fusion program at Harvard. This the forty seven year old
rather MIT person, not Harvard Mit. The MIT professor was
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one of the smartest people probably in the world, and
this guy must have been jealous of him or something
sounds it was jealousy and anger, which was a very
bitter stew for someone to have to live with for
twenty five years. And he decided that he was going
to do something about it, and he came up here
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and uh and tried to damage Brown. And then he
tried he took the life of the professor. Yeah, but
they'll find He'll try to find out. They'll they'll try
to find out, not only his family but his friends.
Is there a political motivation here?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think they're going to find that it was nothing
but his own personal jealousy and anger and frustration that
he didn't have the successful life that the professor from
Mit did or that other students from Brown did. And
he probably looked at them and said, you know you
people think you know you're going to have great success
because you've gone to an ivy league college and you're
going to have a degree from Brown. Well you'll want
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you know what, it's not what you think it is.
And that's why he probably what a.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Sick go, what a sick go?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He got it? Thank you? Really well, I was trying
to give you what I think he was thinking, because
that's the only thing I can think of. Yeah, revenge.
He was on a revenge tour. He in tracted his revenge.
And I hope the hell that that he that he
is deep in the fires of hell tonight. And that's
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that's that is my thought, because that's what he deserves
to be.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, I'm glad he killed himself save the tax pay
his money of a tryout.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well that's true too, But anyone who kills himself under
those circumstances is a coward. Uh yeah, yeah, he took
forth for him what he felt was the easy way out.
This guy was a sociopath and he also was a narcissist,
and that's a bad that's a bad combination. Tina. If
I don't talk to you happy Merry Christmas. Okay. If
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I don't talk to you before now and.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Then you all so Dan, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Tina, and we will be We're gonna be here Monday
and Tuesday night. Tuesday night will do the charity combine
and for me that'll be in this year. I'll be
back after the first years. So if I don't talk
to you next week, I will talk to you right early,
hopefully in twenty twenty six. Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Okay, see you next to yea, Dan.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Great night. Good I six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty A little long there, but TEENA is always
a fun caller. Six one seven, two, five, four to
ten thirty six months seven nine three one ten thirty
go wide open lines here. This was a tragic, tragic
story UH, basically devised, executed committed by one very sick individual.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I have no.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Sympathy for his sickness. I'm sure that all of us
too often defall to the attitude, well, this guy was sick.
He might have been sick, But unlike the person who
is sick and spreads the flu innocently, this guy used
his sickness, if indeed he was sick, UH to take
out people in some sort of a revenge tour. That's
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what it was, plain and simple. Agree or disagree six
one seven, two five four to ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I think we need to
be harder and more harsh on individuals like this and
let people know that there's no heroism. There's nothing that
is valuable or or or respectable in terms of what this, uh,
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this coward did to innocent college students and to a
father and a husband, a father of three and a
husband who was one of the most brilliant people in
the world by virtue of his status as professor at
MIT and the head of this nuclear fusion program at MIT.
Six one seven, two, five four ten thirty six one
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seven nine three one ten thirty Agree and disagree? Feel free? Well,
coming back on Nightside. It's Night Side with Dan Ray on.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
All right, our next caller, Dan from Tampa is not
in Florida. He is out on the briny. Dan and
Tampa welcome. I understand you about seven hours from the
site of the Titanic Titanic sinking.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Hello, Dan, Hey, Dan, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I could hear you now? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, I
know you were traveling back to America, but you're in
the North Atlantic. Tell us where.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
And about seven hours we'll be within forty nautical miles
of the final resting place of the Titanic. So we're
roughly southeast of Cape Race in Newfoundland.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow. Where did you disembark from?
Were you in England?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I went to I wanted the big miles on birthdays.
I turned sixty this year, so I went to England
like I do every year, and then this is basically
my right home. And if you're back in arrive in
New York on Monday and then fly back to Tampa
on the Monday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'll tell you you're living the good life. We've had
a crazy week up here in New England with the
attack on the students at Brown University and then the
murder of an MIT professor. And has that story reached
you this week? Or am I telling you something that
you're unaware of?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
One of the benefits or downside of modern technology, depending
on how you look at it is we've got Camble
News here twenty four hours a day and listen to
your show here. So unfortunately we're I don't know good
a bad. We're very well connected with what's going on
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in the world. And kind of my take is I
kind of thought about this as Eric Idol, one of
the Monty Python cast, has this song that Reforms called
always Look on the bright Side of Life, and I
think my comment from here is that, you know, no
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matter what happened with we have to look on the
bright side. And when I start looking on the bright
side and look on kind of the negative side, then
I think that's when we're kind of done.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So no matter what happens in the world, I try
to look on the bright side.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, it's a great philosophy and your correct of this
individual killed two students, wounded a dozen others nine critically,
I believe it was the numbers. He walked away, No
one knew where he was, who he was, He was masked,
and it turned out that there was a lucky break.
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A Brown student who had graduated in twenty ten and
who's now homeless, was living in the basement of this
building on campus.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think I lost you in but you know, okay
with you and you could listen Merry Christmas, Merry.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Christmas to you. Dan McDonald, Dan is a former Tampa
police officer and one of our most loyal listeners. There
was one time when he called from a boat in Antarctica. So, uh,
this is at least his second time calling us from
out on the the brain.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
This is my my second second call to you from
the high seas.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, absolutely so I got you back, Dan, Thanks so
much for checking and appreciate it as always. Thank you. Safe,
safe trip home, my friend.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
All right, I think we've all right take it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, okay, why don't you just say good night? She
was Yes, I think we on't you take the call
over and say good night for me?
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Talking about traveling, Let's talk to my friend Leo. Leo.
The last time we talked, you were on the well,
you were in Greece. Have you reached Have you arrived
back home?
Speaker 8 (25:57):
That's correct? I just got back left. But one they
so it was raining over the app most of the
time I was there.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
How you give away you, Leo? You were away most
of the summer, if I'm not mistaken right, No, No,
I went.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Over there twenty eighth. I had an operation in the
beginning of the summer, and I went twenty eighth of September,
and then I ended up. So I heard about the
news in the Brown University and it's like sad the
first time, Like you hear, it is pretty sad. People
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like have psychological problems and they'd taken on the others.
There were time yet this.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Guy supposedly I read a story tonight out of Australia
that said that this guy, the shooter, was supposedly the
the number one member in his undergrad to a class.
He went to the same school as the professor who
he killed, and when he went to Brown, he didn't
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have the academic success that he had, so he came
here on his revenge tour. And the only motive that
I can see is pure on adulterated revenge. He wanted
to take a revenge out of those who were enjoying Brown.
He apparently never enjoyed Brown, and he wanted to take
a revenge from his classmate who obviously had soared. You know,
(27:33):
in academia, as a professor at MIT and as the
head of a nuclear fusion program at MIT, there was
nothing more than revenge at every turn.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Well, you know, every time you take life for somebody
else and you are not in a compact or trying
to defense yourself. It's like it's inappropriate. It's like sick. Well,
you know, you cannot go over there try to kill
people like that. For whatever problems you have, you have
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be able to listen to your problems.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and also it's cowardly.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Of course.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Of course. Now when you're at sea, that's like your
previous caller, right, You're gonna get rough weather, You're gonna
get bad weather, you gonna get hurricanes. You gotta have
to deal with them. You don't kill people every time
you have hurricanes. You know, you got problems in your head.
You gotta go to see a doctor.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes. And by the way, Leo knows of what he speaks.
How many years did you spend on oceans? He worked
on ships for many many years.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
How many years Leo nineteen seventy two to eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Sixteen years, sixteen years. And I'm sure you had more
than a few days where the where the ocean was
giving you a tough time.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Well, you know, I've seen, uh, I've seen a lot,
you know, I've seen a lot. I've seen hurricanes, I've
seen uh tight typhoons, I've seen a bad weather as
it comes. Since you gotta on the count see you
just go outside to take Europe of time and enjoy
the sun, take your vitamin D three. But you know
(29:21):
you got you gotta enjoy everything life. It's not that easy,
you know. It's cat Landers. The more you put climb
up in a ladder, the more the horizon gets bigger.
And when you get up there, you realize you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
There's a lot of irony in the way we live
our lives, Leo, isn't.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
There It is?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
It is, But you know, in this kind of world
we live in nowadays, it's uh we we hear a
lot of sick people. They were around before Internet. Now
it comes like faster from everywhere and what you know,
a lot of coffee cuts too.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, let's hope the hope they were none. Leo. Welcome home.
Thank you for calling uh and I'm glad you're back home,
safe with.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
You and your beautiful crew. You have over the merry Christmas,
all the best and the happy holidays for everybody right
back at you.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Leo. Absolutely one of my favorites, that's for sure. Thank
you for your loyalty to this show. Thank you very
much for so many years. Thanks Leo, will talk soon.
Thank you so much Bye, Bye, Merry Christmas. Okay, thanks again,
Let's take a break. I lean in Rhode Island. You're
going to be next. I got a couple of open
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lines if you want to get in six months. The
only line open right now is six one, seven, two,
five thirty. We will go to the twentieth hour. I
still am not quite sure. I'm trying to read my
audience as to where we want to go in the
twentieth hour. And to end this week, I want to
end it on a positive note. I don't want to
ended on a negative note. We'll be back on night Side.
(31:03):
Stay with us and get ready to dial. You can
still dial now and get in at six one, seven ten.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, here we go, with full eyes and five minutes left,
let's get at it. I lean in Rhode Island. Your
thoughts on what we have gone through as a as
a region this week.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I know it's been tragic, but may I like your
show for a little while?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I called you several weeks ago and told you that
my hundredth birthday was coming up. Now it is a
week from tomorrow next Saturday. But I know you'll be off,
you won't be on.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Yes, yes, so I want to I want.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
To tell you that my one hundredth birthday is a
week from tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, let's get a round of across from my studio
audience for Eileen. II. Leen, you sound great.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'm very thankful that I have all my buttons.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh you have all your buttons, and your voice sounds
to me like you if you if you asked me
how old you, I would have said, oh, maybe fifty
five or six? Do you sound fabulous?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
What say you take that?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What is the secret, Eileen? What is the secret to
such a long ending? Good?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Good good jeans?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
And you know what?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I have to tell you something. Sure, I had my
DNA down a short while ago, okay, and I am
of ethnic Near Eastern heritage, but I found out there
I am one percent Jewish Eastern Eastern European Jewish blood.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
And I always thought I was a meaning well you know, hey,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But isn't that great? Eileen? I will be back after
the first of the year. You're right, You're going to
turn one hundred on Saturday, the twenty seventh, and I
will not be on the air, But I will think
about you that day and I will toast a glass
to you that day. I leave thank you so much
for sharing with us, and call me and will I'd
(33:42):
love to talk with you longer, maybe someday in the
new year, and leave your number with Rob Okay. I
might even like to give you a call on your
birthday to say happy birthday.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Okay, Oh, thank you, Dia. I wish you happy holidays, whatever,
Merry Christmas, happy Honka and whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm a Christmas guy, but I have family
members and grandchildren who are a part Jewish, so we
get to celebrate everything. Eileen. I've loved your call. Thank
you so much. You sound great. Thank you so much.
All right, Merry Christmas to you as well. All right,
let's keep get that number for me. Let's keep rolling here,
(34:30):
Tom and the cap. Tom. You gotta be quick from
We got full lines. Believe it or not, Go ahead, Tom.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
There's only one good thing that guy and Broad Providence did,
and that was he took himself out.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, he saved the taxpayers some money, but boy, it's
a cowardly act, isn't it. I mean you you know
it probably was the right thing.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's a cowardly act. But he did the right thing,
the only probably the only right thing he ever did
in his life. That she took himself out.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm with your dog. Great. Yeah, he died alone, and
he laid there for at least two or three days.
It looks like so uh yeah, nothing at all. Hey, Tom,
thank you so much. Great call. Merry Christmas to you, buddy,
Thank you so much. All right, I'm gonna try to
get at least one more in in in San Antonio
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and go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Hi Dan, Merry Christmas to all. And I want to
thank you for talking about this tonight. Thank you because
New Englanders are a special group of people. They're very caring,
they love each other and they're good people.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And be proud of that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, it's been a tough week.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
And be happy in the holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yes, holidays. Well, and thanks so much for calling. I
know you listen. I want you to call more often
because they need your positivity. Okay, okay, you will be well.
Thank you, good night, Okay, real quickly here Terry and Harwich. Terry,
(36:11):
I'd like to get you and I'd like to get
in and Quincy, so if you can do it in
a minute, that would be great.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Hi Terry again, I just want to say I think
Irene could make us all heal and move forward. God
bless her on her hundredth birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Wow, Eileen was just a superperson, a super person.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
My heart goes out to those that were murdered, their families,
their loved ones, and all those that were shocked. Those
are the folks that need the most healing, those of
us that are looking from the outside, and we need
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to start being a way of what's around us. Yes,
this guy clearly a barbaric, evil criminal, not mentally ill.
He's an evil criminal.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I'm with you, y.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
He had signs that people didn't report, and we all
need to wake up and start speaking up when we
see things like this.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can you see something say.
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Ideal is a sociopath all the time, Terry.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I want to give Ian and Quincy just a few seconds,
So let's talk maybe sometime next week, and you loved
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Okay, Bye Dan, Bye, Terry, talk.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Soon, Ann and Quincy and I can do about twenty
seconds for you.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
I just want to say a lesson can be learned
from this is not to hold a grudge tell your
loved ones, your children, this is what a grudge can
lead to. It can lead to hatred and violence.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And I think there's a lesson from this.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think you're so right, and you know what, I
think that we waited two hours to hear some some
of the best callers of the Night of the last segment,
I just want to say thanks to everybody. Christmas to you,
Merry Christmas to you in and I hope you have
a great twenty twenty six And everyone who has called
this hour, you can call next hour. I'm not sure
what we're gonna do, but we're gonna do something, and
we're gonna lighten it up. Coming back on Night's side
(38:26):
right after the eleven
It's night with Dan Ray's new Radio. All Right, we
have one hour left in this week, and it's it's
been a tough week for everyone. You know, there's nothing
we can do about the lives that were lost this week.
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I cared, and I'm sure all of you care about
the students at Brown who who were killed, and we
also care about those who have been badly injured or
injured at all. We certainly care about the families of
those individuals, the families of the professor from Brookline, Massachusetts.
I don't particular. I don't care about the guy that
killed himself. You know, I'm not a good enough Christian
(00:43):
to tell you I care about him at all. I
don't know what drove him to do it. Pure evil,
in my mind, absolute pure evil. There's no way to
explain it. I mean, I know the psychologists will tell
us they have explanations for it, but I'm done with
being sympathetic to people who harm other people and hurt
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other people for no reason. You know, I watched this guy,
Robert Walsh, Brian Walsh, excuse me, walk off to a
life sentence without the possibility parole twenty two years after
after he's after his life ends and no sympathy for
him in terms of what he did to his wife Anna.
I think we as a society need to get a
(01:25):
little tougher uh and look down on these people and
realize for what they are now again, they're all mental health,
mental health, mental health. There but for the grace of
God goes any one of us. I guess you can
look at it like that. But at the same time,
all of us have things come into our lives, disappointments,
We have tragedies within our families. It doesn't give you
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the right to walk away and and and give up
and to and to harm other people. I think we
as a society have become too soft, uh. And I
think we have to, you know, say look, you know
every time they do these sob stories and somebody who's
murdered three people and I found Jesus in prison. I
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want to move past it, but I just want I
want to say about the murderer, good riddance. You did
nothing that helped people while you were here. You took
a parent, You took a dad away from three children,
You took a husband away from a wife. You took
two amazing young students away from their families forever. There's
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no sympathy for you. You didn't even have the courage
to face your actions. You you basically hid in a
storage facility and then decided to kill yourself. You took
the easy way out. Frustrating U. It is very frustrating,
and that's that's what I'm left with at the end
of this week. I'd love to hear from you. Six
one seven, two five four thirty six one seven nine
(02:55):
three thirty. John is in Boston. John, as I understand
that you are a first time called it a nightside,
Well come.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sir, Yes, thank you, Thanks Dan, first first.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Time call it correct. I just want to make sure
we do not good well, thank you very much. It's
always interesting to see what prompts people to call for
the first time. I'd love to hear your point of view.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, well, this story, I've been following it all week,
and you mentioned that Brian Walsh story as well, and
I was following that pretty closely too. But first off,
I want to you know, my thoughts on prayers with
all the families impacted by this tragic both tragic events.
But I'll focus on the Brown shooting and you know,
(03:37):
it's just a shame that. You know, young college kids
go off to college, whether they're local or international students,
and you know, all the fear and anxiety. I have
three kids toolgm are in college, ones in high school
once thinking about where they want to go to college.
And a lot of kids ever since Sandy Hook. I
don't recall when Sandy Hook was exactly, probably fifteen years ago, oh, guests,
(04:00):
But you know my kids grew up after Sandy Hook
and went through school and doing the drills, you know,
the active shooter drills. And my youngest is sad to
say she's afraid to go to high school. She goes
as Well high school, a nice high school in the
Boston area, and you know she's thinking about, as I said,
going off to college. And you know, school's tough enough
(04:23):
on kids, some kids, and just to add this anxiety
with you know the possibility of something like this happened
at any school in America. Unfortunately, it's happened all too often,
and just a little inside. I was listening to Seeing
and late this afternoon I taped it, so I don't know,
I don't recall who was asking the questions, but they
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had an old classmate of this shooter, you know, from
twenty five years ago, and he remembers them. He said,
he looked nothing like he did twenty five years ago.
He remembers the professor, the IT professor, being at Brown
with the shooter. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I heard that they Well, I don't know that that
is true because the shooter des I understand that did
his graduate work in a college in London. Again, if
that's accurate, it will come out. The story that I
read earlier was there was a story out of an
Australian newspaper that said that the head of the school
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in Lisbon said that the top student in the class
was the shooter. I mean, I would have said, had
you heard.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
On CNN, this guy said, he said the shooter was
bored back twenty five years ago, a Brown. He did
not like going to Brown, he didn't like Providence. He
was by far the brightest student and the whole PhD program.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, well, let me let me just let me make
sure that we're not that we're talking for the same
There's a statement out of Lisbon from the head of
the school. These guys went to an undergraduate to an
effect a college in Lisbon from ninety five to two thousand.
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They graduated in two thousand and according to the head
of that institute, Valenti, the shooter, the killer, was the
top student in the class. Now, if you had said
to me, who's the top student of the class, I
want to say, well, obviously the guy who's now a
professor at MIT. But I would have been wrong if this.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, he said he was the top student at
Brown years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He wasn't the top student at Brown because he was
accepted to Brown in a graduate postgraduate program to seek
of a doctorate in physics. He entered into in September
of two thousand and then he took a leave of
absence in the spring of that year, and then sort
(07:01):
of like a temporary leave, and then a year or
so later he withdrew from the university. So I don't
think he would have been the top student at Brown.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, according to his friend twenty five years ago, at Brown,
he said he was by far the brightest person there.
I know he didn't make it through or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, well, okay, so well, I guess it's conceivable
if his argument was that the shooter was so brilliant
that he was bored by the curriculum. I can't imagine
being bored by a curriculum and in a doctoral program
at Brown, but maybe he was. I don't know. I
still have no example.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Was an example? He said there was a physics book
that they used, and he could solve every problem in
the physics book and nobody else could. Well, that's just
an example of how he described.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'll let me ask you a question if I could,
and that is this report that you saw. I'm not
sure where you saw to who this fellow was. But
did he at all, uh, give us any indication as
to what this shooter had done between the time he
left Brown in two thousand and one and uh and
(08:10):
and what he did at Brown last Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He did not He did not know. I believe he
said he had not spoken to him since two thousand
and three. Yeah, okay, And what what what news had
a challenging personality?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah? Well that CNN is a legitimate news channel. So
I just want to make sure you did tell me that,
and I should have remembered it. So okay, that's Uh.
These are always mysteries, you know. And there were people
who I went to school with I'm sure people who
you went to school with John who you might remember,
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and maybe even close friends of them, and you lose
contact and you lose track, and then you find out.
In my case, my postgraduate education was in the law
at Pawshiniver Law School. There were friends of mine who
you know, you were, you know, casual friends, you weren't
best friends, but you knew one another, and then you
find out fifteen years later, Oh, they that person became
(09:10):
a judge, or that person became a law school professor.
You just can't keep close contact with everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, but he thought there was signs. He had been
interviewed by the FBI today, Yeah, this person on CNN
and a lot of things, like by the questioning from
the FBI. He said there were signs back then, you know,
he had a challenging personality, had picked fights with certain
He was talking about Portugal and Brazil, and there was
someone from Brazil that did pick on for some reason. Yeah,
(09:40):
you know how Brazil was once a territory of Portugal
or whatever. But yes, he had an example about that, and.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's certainly that that's interesting to know even something like
that that somebody would I don't know looked down on
someone from Brazil because Portugal at one point in time,
uh you know, you know, basically uh owned the entire
you know, west coast of South America. I don't know,
(10:13):
I don't know. Well that was interesting stuff, John. You
you have been the best caller of the night as
far as I'm concerned, because you provided really interesting observations.
I wish I could watch every TV channel and read
every newspaper and be able to tell you everything, but no,
you've And also, you know what you also did when
I asked you questions, You actually clarified your answers for
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me and you answered my questions, which I always enjoy.
You know, I was asking them out a genuine interest
and and you provided some really interesting answers. So thank you, sir.
Great first time.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I just wanted to add that the police chief
I saw an interview with him from Providence Police Chief
and he said, how the guy. You could tell the
guy was smart of the investigators to tell he avoided
he never traveled on busy streets to avoid the the
license plate readers and whatnot, that he was very you know,
they could tell they were dealing with someone with a
(11:10):
high IQ. Yeah, the way he operated and the you know,
before the shooting, well.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He apparently, according to the authorities, I think they said
that he had come up here at some point in October.
He'd been in the area for quite a while. Uh,
And so he did his due diligence, that's for sure.
And they they were able to put him half a
(11:36):
mile from the professor's house in the moments before that
murder took place. So, you know, no matter how smart
he was, technology and the FBI UH figured it out.
And yeah, and you know, he's not going to harm
anyone else, at least in this life. Thank you, John,
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appreciate your call.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Have a good nights.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yep. What what do you celebrate Christmas? Honkah? What?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'm a merry Christmas guy because I like and I liked.
If friends of mine who celebrate Hanaka, I wish them
a happy Honkah. And again we're still in the celebration
of Honukah. I have some friends who celebrate Kwansa. I
wish them a happy Kwanza. And if you celebrate Festivus,
tell me what I'll sell. I wish you a happy
Festivus with the rest of us. Thanks John, appreciate you call.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I have a great, happy, happy everything to everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's perfect. That's perfect, Thanks John, good night, all right,
get some open lines here. Six one, seven, two, five
ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty
Tina from wusakat Rhode Island, one of my better callers,
is going to be coming up next. There are a
bunch of you who I haven't heard from this week. Remember,
in the eleven o'clock hour, everyone has a hall pass,
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So don't I hope you're not sticking around waiting to
call in the eleven o'clock hour because you can call
now as well. I want to know, how do we
get past uh this, this tragedy. I'm not talking about
the people who were immediately impacted. They will never get
past the tragedy. They'll never be closure. I think closure
is one of these words that's kind of a phony
where there's no closure. When you lose a child to
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a ridiculous, nonsensical event like this doesn't make any sense.
There's no closure. There's no closure for the professor's family,
for his wife and his three children. They will live
with his absence for the rest of their lives. Six
one seven two, five, four, ten thirty six, one seven,
nine three one ten thirty some of you might be
(13:31):
able to offer a comment that might help us move
past this. I think the holidays will help us move
past it. We'll be talking about it, I'm sure for
weeks and then well certainly for the next few days,
and then it'll be over, will be in a new year.
But I want to spend some time tonight talking about it.
(13:53):
I'm sorry if this bores you, but this is what
I feel we need to talk about tonight. I hope
you do as well. Six one seven, two, four, ten
thirty six, one seven nine.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I'm done you Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, let's go to Tina down in Rhode Island. Tina. Yes,
quite a week in Tina. How are you. I hope
you're doing overay?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yes, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
I tuned in at nine o'clock and I was listening,
and I've been listening and I'm going to hear you
to the end.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I don't have.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Anything to say how we got, how we can get
over it, but maybe I can say this. Maybe it'll
help some of your listeners for me, if there's something
that I'm like and I'm interested in, I just follow
it completely. I'm a news junkie. I love to know
what's going on in the news and politics and everything.
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So I think maybe if people are just aware, if
they have more awareness of what's going on not only
in their life in the community and just take it serious,
maybe that's a way to get over it. But the
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reason why I want you to talk to you, I
just want to.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Tell you that I think that's a pretty nice, pretty
keen observation that there's a lot of people who who
probably were not aware of this, and I think that's sad.
But you're right. People need to be more aware. They
need to tune in more to the world of room.
They're missing a lot of great stuff. Go ahead, I
didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Okay, that's okay. My question is this, when an event
like this happens in Providence and the people and the
authorities and Providence and the people in authorities in Massachusetts,
when this happens, will they be trying to get in
contact with family Because I know the MIT professor, he
(15:55):
has family, and they contact him them if they want too.
Is that standard practice when they want to find out information.
Will the providence authorities try to get in contact with
the killers from from you know, the one who killed
people at the university. Will they try to get in
(16:16):
contact with family members to find out a motive?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh? Yeah, well absolutely. I thought initially you were asking
about contacting people who are victims of crime. Someone asked
the last hour. Now, someone last lasked last hour, How
you know, how did they contact family and why didn't
they get released the names of the victims earlier? They
want to They want to protect the family and make
(16:40):
sure that the family does not hear about it or
on the news media. So they want to make sure
the same way when a soldier dies overseas, they want
to make sure that the family has a chance to
be told that horrific news before they they're driving to
work or they're driving to the grocery store. Notification. You
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bet you. They'll try to find out what they can
about this guy. I mean, if nothing else, you want
to find out if he was really acting as he
appears to have been, as a lone wolf who had
a grudge. I mean, this all suggests to me that
he had a grudge against the School of Brown where
he apparently dropped out of that he had a grudge
against this, this fellow classmate from the college in Lisbon,
(17:25):
who obviously had far exceeded whatever hopes and dreams this
guy had. The professor was the head of a nuclear
fusion program at Harvard. This the forty seven year old
rather MIT person, not Harvard Mit. The MIT professor was
(17:48):
one of the smartest people probably in the world, and
this guy must have been jealous of him or something
sounds it was jealousy and anger, which was a very
bitter stew for someone to have to live with for
twenty five years. And he decided that he was going
to do something about it, and he came up here
(18:09):
and uh and tried to damage Brown. And then he
tried he took the life of the professor. Yeah, but
they'll find He'll try to find out. They'll they'll try
to find out, not only his family but his friends.
Is there a political motivation here?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think they're going to find that it was nothing
but his own personal jealousy and anger and frustration that
he didn't have the successful life that the professor from
Mit did or that other students from Brown did. And
he probably looked at them and said, you know you
people think you know you're going to have great success
because you've gone to an ivy league college and you're
going to have a degree from Brown. Well you'll want
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you know what, it's not what you think it is.
And that's why he probably what a.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Sick go, what a sick go?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He got it? Thank you? Really well, I was trying
to give you what I think he was thinking, because
that's the only thing I can think of. Yeah, revenge.
He was on a revenge tour. He in tracted his revenge.
And I hope the hell that that he that he
is deep in the fires of hell tonight. And that's
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that's that is my thought, because that's what he deserves
to be.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, I'm glad he killed himself save the tax pay
his money of a tryout.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well that's true too, But anyone who kills himself under
those circumstances is a coward. Uh yeah, yeah, he took
forth for him what he felt was the easy way out.
This guy was a sociopath and he also was a narcissist,
and that's a bad that's a bad combination. Tina. If
I don't talk to you happy Merry Christmas. Okay. If
(19:43):
I don't talk to you before now and.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Then you all so Dan, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Tina, and we will be We're gonna be here Monday
and Tuesday night. Tuesday night will do the charity combine
and for me that'll be in this year. I'll be
back after the first years. So if I don't talk
to you next week, I will talk to you right early,
hopefully in twenty twenty six. Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Okay, see you next to yea, Dan.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Great night. Good I six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty A little long there, but TEENA is always
a fun caller. Six one seven, two, five, four to
ten thirty six months seven nine three one ten thirty
go wide open lines here. This was a tragic, tragic
story UH, basically devised, executed committed by one very sick individual.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I have no.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Sympathy for his sickness. I'm sure that all of us
too often defall to the attitude, well, this guy was sick.
He might have been sick, But unlike the person who
is sick and spreads the flu innocently, this guy used
his sickness, if indeed he was sick, UH to take
out people in some sort of a revenge tour. That's
(20:54):
what it was, plain and simple. Agree or disagree six
one seven, two five four to ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I think we need to
be harder and more harsh on individuals like this and
let people know that there's no heroism. There's nothing that
is valuable or or or respectable in terms of what this, uh,
(21:17):
this coward did to innocent college students and to a
father and a husband, a father of three and a
husband who was one of the most brilliant people in
the world by virtue of his status as professor at
MIT and the head of this nuclear fusion program at MIT.
Six one seven, two, five four ten thirty six one
(21:39):
seven nine three one ten thirty Agree and disagree? Feel free? Well,
coming back on Nightside. It's Night Side with Dan Ray on.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
All right, our next caller, Dan from Tampa is not
in Florida. He is out on the briny. Dan and
Tampa welcome. I understand you about seven hours from the
site of the Titanic Titanic sinking.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Hello, Dan, Hey, Dan, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I could hear you now? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, I
know you were traveling back to America, but you're in
the North Atlantic. Tell us where.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
And about seven hours we'll be within forty nautical miles
of the final resting place of the Titanic. So we're
roughly southeast of Cape Race in Newfoundland.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow. Where did you disembark from?
Were you in England?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I went to I wanted the big miles on birthdays.
I turned sixty this year, so I went to England
like I do every year, and then this is basically
my right home. And if you're back in arrive in
New York on Monday and then fly back to Tampa
on the Monday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'll tell you you're living the good life. We've had
a crazy week up here in New England with the
attack on the students at Brown University and then the
murder of an MIT professor. And has that story reached
you this week? Or am I telling you something that
you're unaware of?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
One of the benefits or downside of modern technology, depending
on how you look at it is we've got Camble
News here twenty four hours a day and listen to
your show here. So unfortunately we're I don't know good
a bad. We're very well connected with what's going on
(23:46):
in the world. And kind of my take is I
kind of thought about this as Eric Idol, one of
the Monty Python cast, has this song that Reforms called
always Look on the bright Side of Life, and I
think my comment from here is that, you know, no
(24:08):
matter what happened with we have to look on the
bright side. And when I start looking on the bright
side and look on kind of the negative side, then
I think that's when we're kind of done.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So no matter what happens in the world, I try
to look on the bright side.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, it's a great philosophy and your correct of this
individual killed two students, wounded a dozen others nine critically,
I believe it was the numbers. He walked away, No
one knew where he was, who he was, He was masked,
and it turned out that there was a lucky break.
(24:45):
A Brown student who had graduated in twenty ten and
who's now homeless, was living in the basement of this
building on campus.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think I lost you in but you know, okay
with you and you could listen Merry Christmas, Merry.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Christmas to you. Dan McDonald, Dan is a former Tampa
police officer and one of our most loyal listeners. There
was one time when he called from a boat in Antarctica. So, uh,
this is at least his second time calling us from
out on the the brain.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
This is my my second second call to you from
the high seas.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, absolutely so I got you back, Dan, Thanks so
much for checking and appreciate it as always. Thank you. Safe,
safe trip home, my friend.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
All right, I think we've all right take it.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, okay, why don't you just say good night? She
was Yes, I think we on't you take the call
over and say good night for me?
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Talking about traveling, Let's talk to my friend Leo. Leo.
The last time we talked, you were on the well,
you were in Greece. Have you reached Have you arrived
back home?
Speaker 8 (25:57):
That's correct? I just got back left. But one they
so it was raining over the app most of the
time I was there.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
How you give away you, Leo? You were away most
of the summer, if I'm not mistaken right, No, No,
I went.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Over there twenty eighth. I had an operation in the
beginning of the summer, and I went twenty eighth of September,
and then I ended up. So I heard about the
news in the Brown University and it's like sad the
first time, Like you hear, it is pretty sad. People
(26:37):
like have psychological problems and they'd taken on the others.
There were time yet this.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Guy supposedly I read a story tonight out of Australia
that said that this guy, the shooter, was supposedly the
the number one member in his undergrad to a class.
He went to the same school as the professor who
he killed, and when he went to Brown, he didn't
(27:10):
have the academic success that he had, so he came
here on his revenge tour. And the only motive that
I can see is pure on adulterated revenge. He wanted
to take a revenge out of those who were enjoying Brown.
He apparently never enjoyed Brown, and he wanted to take
a revenge from his classmate who obviously had soared. You know,
(27:33):
in academia, as a professor at MIT and as the
head of a nuclear fusion program at MIT, there was
nothing more than revenge at every turn.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Well, you know, every time you take life for somebody
else and you are not in a compact or trying
to defense yourself. It's like it's inappropriate. It's like sick. Well,
you know, you cannot go over there try to kill
people like that. For whatever problems you have, you have
(28:07):
be able to listen to your problems.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and also it's cowardly.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Of course.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Of course. Now when you're at sea, that's like your
previous caller, right, You're gonna get rough weather, You're gonna
get bad weather, you gonna get hurricanes. You gotta have
to deal with them. You don't kill people every time
you have hurricanes. You know, you got problems in your head.
You gotta go to see a doctor.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes. And by the way, Leo knows of what he speaks.
How many years did you spend on oceans? He worked
on ships for many many years.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
How many years Leo nineteen seventy two to eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Sixteen years, sixteen years. And I'm sure you had more
than a few days where the where the ocean was
giving you a tough time.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Well, you know, I've seen, uh, I've seen a lot,
you know, I've seen a lot. I've seen hurricanes, I've
seen uh tight typhoons, I've seen a bad weather as
it comes. Since you gotta on the count see you
just go outside to take Europe of time and enjoy
the sun, take your vitamin D three. But you know
(29:21):
you got you gotta enjoy everything life. It's not that easy,
you know. It's cat Landers. The more you put climb
up in a ladder, the more the horizon gets bigger.
And when you get up there, you realize you know nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
There's a lot of irony in the way we live
our lives, Leo, isn't.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
There It is?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
It is, But you know, in this kind of world
we live in nowadays, it's uh we we hear a
lot of sick people. They were around before Internet. Now
it comes like faster from everywhere and what you know,
a lot of coffee cuts too.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, let's hope the hope they were none. Leo. Welcome home.
Thank you for calling uh and I'm glad you're back home,
safe with.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
You and your beautiful crew. You have over the merry Christmas,
all the best and the happy holidays for everybody right
back at you.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Leo. Absolutely one of my favorites, that's for sure. Thank
you for your loyalty to this show. Thank you very
much for so many years. Thanks Leo, will talk soon.
Thank you so much Bye, Bye, Merry Christmas. Okay, thanks again,
Let's take a break. I lean in Rhode Island. You're
going to be next. I got a couple of open
(30:41):
lines if you want to get in six months. The
only line open right now is six one, seven, two,
five thirty. We will go to the twentieth hour. I
still am not quite sure. I'm trying to read my
audience as to where we want to go in the
twentieth hour. And to end this week, I want to
end it on a positive note. I don't want to
ended on a negative note. We'll be back on night Side.
(31:03):
Stay with us and get ready to dial. You can
still dial now and get in at six one, seven ten.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, here we go, with full eyes and five minutes left,
let's get at it. I lean in Rhode Island. Your
thoughts on what we have gone through as a as
a region this week.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I know it's been tragic, but may I like your
show for a little while?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I called you several weeks ago and told you that
my hundredth birthday was coming up. Now it is a
week from tomorrow next Saturday. But I know you'll be off,
you won't be on.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Yes, yes, so I want to I want.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
To tell you that my one hundredth birthday is a
week from tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Well, let's get a round of across from my studio
audience for Eileen. II. Leen, you sound great.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'm very thankful that I have all my buttons.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh you have all your buttons, and your voice sounds
to me like you if you if you asked me
how old you, I would have said, oh, maybe fifty
five or six? Do you sound fabulous?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
What say you take that?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What is the secret, Eileen? What is the secret to
such a long ending? Good?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Good good jeans?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
And you know what?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I have to tell you something. Sure, I had my
DNA down a short while ago, okay, and I am
of ethnic Near Eastern heritage, but I found out there
I am one percent Jewish Eastern Eastern European Jewish blood.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
And I always thought I was a meaning well you know, hey,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But isn't that great? Eileen? I will be back after
the first of the year. You're right, You're going to
turn one hundred on Saturday, the twenty seventh, and I
will not be on the air, But I will think
about you that day and I will toast a glass
to you that day. I leave thank you so much
for sharing with us, and call me and will I'd
(33:42):
love to talk with you longer, maybe someday in the
new year, and leave your number with Rob Okay. I
might even like to give you a call on your
birthday to say happy birthday.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Okay, Oh, thank you, Dia. I wish you happy holidays, whatever,
Merry Christmas, happy Honka and whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm a Christmas guy, but I have family
members and grandchildren who are a part Jewish, so we
get to celebrate everything. Eileen. I've loved your call. Thank
you so much. You sound great. Thank you so much.
All right, Merry Christmas to you as well. All right,
let's keep get that number for me. Let's keep rolling here,
(34:30):
Tom and the cap. Tom. You gotta be quick from
We got full lines. Believe it or not, Go ahead, Tom.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
There's only one good thing that guy and Broad Providence did,
and that was he took himself out.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, he saved the taxpayers some money, but boy, it's
a cowardly act, isn't it. I mean you you know
it probably was the right thing.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's a cowardly act. But he did the right thing,
the only probably the only right thing he ever did
in his life. That she took himself out.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm with your dog. Great. Yeah, he died alone, and
he laid there for at least two or three days.
It looks like so uh yeah, nothing at all. Hey, Tom,
thank you so much. Great call. Merry Christmas to you, buddy,
Thank you so much. All right, I'm gonna try to
get at least one more in in in San Antonio
(35:22):
and go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
Hi Dan, Merry Christmas to all. And I want to
thank you for talking about this tonight. Thank you because
New Englanders are a special group of people. They're very caring,
they love each other and they're good people.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And be proud of that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, it's been a tough week.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
And be happy in the holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yes, holidays. Well, and thanks so much for calling. I
know you listen. I want you to call more often
because they need your positivity. Okay, okay, you will be well.
Thank you, good night, Okay, real quickly here Terry and Harwich. Terry,
(36:11):
I'd like to get you and I'd like to get
in and Quincy, so if you can do it in
a minute, that would be great.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Hi Terry again, I just want to say I think
Irene could make us all heal and move forward. God
bless her on her hundredth birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Wow, Eileen was just a superperson, a super person.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
My heart goes out to those that were murdered, their families,
their loved ones, and all those that were shocked. Those
are the folks that need the most healing, those of
us that are looking from the outside, and we need
(36:58):
to start being a way of what's around us. Yes,
this guy clearly a barbaric, evil criminal, not mentally ill.
He's an evil criminal.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I'm with you, y.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
He had signs that people didn't report, and we all
need to wake up and start speaking up when we
see things like this.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can you see something say.
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Ideal is a sociopath all the time, Terry.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I want to give Ian and Quincy just a few seconds,
So let's talk maybe sometime next week, and you loved
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Okay, Bye Dan, Bye, Terry, talk.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Soon, Ann and Quincy and I can do about twenty
seconds for you.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
I just want to say a lesson can be learned
from this is not to hold a grudge tell your
loved ones, your children, this is what a grudge can
lead to. It can lead to hatred and violence.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And I think there's a lesson from this.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think you're so right, and you know what, I
think that we waited two hours to hear some some
of the best callers of the Night of the last segment,
I just want to say thanks to everybody. Christmas to you,
Merry Christmas to you in and I hope you have
a great twenty twenty six And everyone who has called
this hour, you can call next hour. I'm not sure
what we're gonna do, but we're gonna do something, and
we're gonna lighten it up. Coming back on Night's side
(38:26):
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