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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Leaving the news conference that is being held right now
in Providence, Rhode Island. I think that most of the
important information has been gleaned from that news conference, and
a lot of the questions are becoming somewhat repetitious. What
we have learned in the news conference is that the
shooter in this case, both in Rhode Island and in
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Brookline as a forty eight year old man, Claudio Nevis Valente,
who was a student at Brown University from the fall
of two thousand to the spring of two thousand and one.
He was pursuing a doctorate in physics, which would mean
that he must have received his undergraduate degree elsewhere, and
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he took a leave of absence from Brown. What they
have been telling us essentially is that there was a
second person whose picture is still picture was released yesterday,
and that that individual had at some point apparently had
a conference Haitian with this guy Valenti before the shooting.
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The confrontation was described in one instance as being on
the street and another instance when they were inside the building.
And whether or not he followed Valenti into the building,
it's a little unclear, but there was a confrontation. It
was his information that provided the authorities with some leads,
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including I guess the fact that there was a rental
car tags at a rental car. They were able to
work back to the rental car agency and get a
clear photograph of Claudio Nevis Valente when he rented the
rental car. He apparently had for some time been in
the area, having flown up here. He's from Miami, living
in Miami, flown up here sometime in October. So there's
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a lot of information that will follow. There was a
news conference that is scheduled to start in Boston with
the US attorney dealing more with the murder of the
professor from Mi T. There was one mention at the
news conference that apparently they both had graduated from the
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same university in Portugal. They attended the same university in Portugal,
that is as the Brookline professor. Now. The Brookline Professor's
forty seven years of age and obviously has been a
pretty successful scholar, and that could provide a motive, a
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double motive. We will never know for what unless he
left some writings behind for what this guy, Claudio Nevis
Valenti has done killing two Brown students in an auditorium
which is being used as a study school, a test
I guess, a test prep. I never had that opportunity
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when I was in college. You went and you opened
your book and you study by yourself. But I guess
they would have again a study group prepping for the
final exams in the very building that He probably was
a student at Brown in a PhD program in the
year two thousand to two thousand and one. He eventually
left that program, took a formal withdrawal from the program
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in the summer of twenty twenty one. Initially he took
a leave of absence. So this fellow must have had
some bad experience with the MIT professor, or at least
have some background with the MIT professor, because the MIT
professor's forty seven, this guy's forty eight. They apparently went
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to the same undergraduate college in Portugal and must have
had some interaction there. And then again, he is believed
to be responsible with the murder of Professor Nuno Lorrero,
forty seven, shot to death at his Gibbs Street home
in Brookline on Monday night. So we're going to wait
for the news conference. We're going to take a break
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for now that news conference to the best of our knowledge,
has not begun as soon as the news conference with
the US Attorney in Boston, Leah Foley. We will get
to that news conference in the meantime if you would
like to call in and make a comment on as
stunning as this crime, or these two crimes were, the
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conclusion to the investigation is equally stunning. The perpetrator, the
suspect is now apparently killed himself in a storage facility
that he had previously rented that storage facility. I'm sure
we'll be subject of a search warrant, if not later
today tomorrow in New Hampshire. We'll take a quick break.
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We are not going to do a newscast. We're going
to catch up on some commercials and then we'll come
back and open up the lines. If you'd like to
join us, I will tell you that I had intended
tonight to talk about the long standing debate between some
people who want to see more public cameras on streets
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and buildings. Obviously, people can have a camera on their house,
no problem. But then there are folks in different communities
who feel too many public cameras basically invade the personal
security the privacy of individuals it's a long standing debate,
but this particular instance showed that there should have been
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more public cameras and better quality public cameras on the
campus of Brown University. And maybe this guy, maybe he
was smart enough to figure out that there weren't very
many cameras in the building. We'll never know in the
building where he committed his first total dastardly, cowardly act.
So we'll take a break. If you like to join
the conversation we'll be talking about for the rest of
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the night. You can weigh in six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, uh, six six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Either of those
lines will get you on six one seven, two five
four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. We're gonna go uh for just a few
minutes for commercial, but we'll be right back nightside will
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continue again. I want to thank Bill William Martin, the author,
who spent about forty minutes with us, thirty thirty minutes
thirty five minutes in the nine o'clock hour. I will
bring William Martin back sometime in early or in mid
January to conclude that conversation, and I think the callers
who did call in on that back on Nightside right
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after a few commercial messages, You're on Night Side with
Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news radio. All right,
we're waiting now for a news conference out of Boston.
But the US Attorney Lea Foley, obviously that news conference
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would fill in some of the questions that were unanswered
at the Rhode Island news conference. And again that's much
more about a jurisdictional respect we had we were going
to and we will tonight talk about the controversy that
has been around for many years. You know, as as
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as cameras and technology progressed. A lot of communities, including Cambridge,
have placed cameras in their communities and they can be
can be used in many ways. They're able to be
used for example, now when when someone drives by a
school bus and the school bus has the stops of
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sign out on the side of the school bus. You
I've seen those stories. They can help recreate traffic accidents.
There's a lot of positives about it, and yet there
are some people who feel that they limit people privacy,
their rights to privacy. And I know that we're going
to talk about it's a long standing debate. But we're
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joined by Cambridge City Councilor Patty Nolan, who today we
knew that there was a little bit of a controversy
recently in Cambridge. We're not building the story around Cambridge tonight,
but Councilor Nolan, I guess heard about it or read
about it, and she called in while that news conference
was going on. So I thought what better way to
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break from the news conference and start a longer, broader
conversation about the benefits or the detriments of cameras, particularly
cameras operated by cities and towns municipalities. So Councilor Nolan,
welcome to night's I thank you for calling in earlier,
and thank you for sticking around for us. It's kind
of been a crazy night here, as I'm sure you
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can understand what is your thought. I'm not necessarily looking
to get deep into the weed on what's going on
in Cambridge, but my understanding that there was some cameras
that were put up and then there was some complaints
by the public, and it's kind of an age old question.
I know that I remember doing a story like this
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in Brookline many years ago, and cameras can benefit and
I guess some people are not as comfortable with the
presence of public cameras. When I was a television reporter
and we would be shooting pictures on any street, whether
it was Boston, Cambridge or wherever, people would come up
to us and say you can't take my picture. And
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I always tried to be polite. I'd say, well, in fact,
if you're on a public street and we want to
take pictures, we can take your picture off you'd like
to ask me not to take your picture, I have
no interest in taking your picture. But I'm just wondering
what is the sense of the council over there, what
is your sense as an elected public official in Cambridge.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So I agree that there's a real controversy and there's
frozen cons and you have to balance exactly what you
talked about, which is safety and a way for us
to look into how it is that people behave and
certainly solve crimes. And there's also not just a privacy
issue but a surveillance issue. And I'll say just very briefly,
back in February of this year, the Council was asked
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to approve and accept a grant to deploy license plate readers.
I actually voted against that with two of my colleagues
because of concerns about surveillance. And then over the next
six months that was a six to three vote and
it passed. Only three of us voted against. And then
over the next few months what we heard was it's
not only just about cameras, because I will say I
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have supported cameras under other circumstances. I have supported deploying
cameras for use in our cities. I wish the state
this would be a great time for the state to
allow any municipality and the Commonwealth to use cameras for
traffic enforcement, for red lights or for speeding. We are
not allowed to do that. Cambridge has request did it
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from the state legislature, and they have refused to act
on it. These license plate readers, I.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Could ask, I'm just curious. Yet, I'm just curious, why
has the state not allowed a municipality. If I'm not mistaken,
and if I'm wrong, please correct me. That in Cambridge
you can use cameras when people parking bus stops. I
think is.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
That, yes, we're trying to do that. Somerville could do
that believe it or not, just because of a quirky
weirdo thing in state law Boston and Cambridge. Boston and Cambridge,
we have applied to the legislature. It looks like that
will go through. We will soon be allowed to use
cameras to do to have parking tickets. Somerville has already
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deployed that lots of other cities in the country, and
then the Commonwealth health But we'll get there, but on
the specific license plate readers. The reason we then, after
hearing some stories, the council unanimously then in October voted
on a policy order I put forth with two of
my college s coonsor so being a Wheeler and councor
Sadiki to say, what we're hearing is that this particular company, Flock,
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is having this data not be totally controlled by the
city and not completely protected. So there were reports that
it was being accessed by ICE for immigration raids, that
it was being accessed by in at least one instance,
by someone exercising their legal right to healthcare date consering
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the data.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yep, Council, I hate to interrupt, but we have to
now join a news conference from the US Attorney's Office
but let's do this. I promise you that if we
do this subject later tonight, within the next hour or so,
if you call back if that's too late, then the
next time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Use cameras for this search. So it'll be really interesting
to figure out whether how that was, how that unfolded.
Thank you so much for covering it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, well we'll get back to you. Okay, thank you
very much. In the time. We're going to now go
to a news cottage, and I believe that we would
be listening to, amongst others, the US attorney and Boster.
She is the US attorney in.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Voizukoff and injuring nine others. Between December thirteenth and December fourteenth,
Nis Valente returned to Massachusetts. On December fifteenth, he murdered
MIT Professor Nuno Lurierro at Louriro's home in Brookline, Massachusetts.
At some point while he was in Massachusetts, he switched
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the plates on the Nissan CenTra to an unregistered plate
out of Maine. Immediately following Professor Luriiro's murder, Neves Valente
drove to a storage facility in Salem, New Hampshire, where
he had rented a storage unit in November of this year.
Since the December thirteenth shootings at Brown and the December
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fifteenth shooting in Brookline, State, local and federal law enforcement
officials had been working hand in hand around the clock
to a identify the shooter and prevent him from inflicting
further harm.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I have said this before.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And will continue to believe when law enforcement agencies work together,
crimes are solved and the public is protected. The information
we provided to you tonight would not be possible without
the dedicated men and women of law enforcement in multiple
districts throughout New England, including the FBI atf HSI, the
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US Marshall Service, Massachusetts State Police, Rhode Island State Police,
Providence Police, Brookline Police, and the Brown University Police. In addition,
prosecutors from the Rhode Island Attorney General's Office and the
Norfolk County District Attorney's Office, and federal prosecutors from Rhode Island,
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New Hampshire, and Massachusetts all contributed to this result. I
also want to thank Attorney General Pambondi for her support
in coordinating the federal response.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah, he's all telling about his motive and the two
set some victims and how they might be related to
how he might be related to them.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
That is not information that we can share right now,
but as soon as that information becomes available, we will
share that with the public.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Are you able to say anything of what led you
to link the two crimes? Perhaps inies and you can
have questions so that you can hear any more.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yes, The question was how were we able to link
him to the two crimes? So investigators identified the vehicle
that he had rented in Boston and then drove to
Rhode Island, and he was seen in the vehicle, was
seen outside of Brown and there was security footage that
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showed a person who resembled him. There was online there
was financial investigations that were going on in the background
that linked him not only to that car, but also
to the hotels that he had rented and the cars.
The car that he had used to not only drive
to Rhode Island but then.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Back to Boston.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And then there was a security footage that captured him
within a half mile of the professor's residence in Brookline,
and there is a video footage of him entering an
apartment building in the location of the professor's apartment, and
then later that evening. He is seen about an hour
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later entering the storage unit wearing this same clothes that
he had been seen wearing right after the murder.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
You have an extensive video canvas as part of this
investigation that leaves you no doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
This is the evidence we have right now.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
We are coming to you tonight because the federal complaint
was unsealed and we wanted to provide you with the
information into shure the public that law enforcement collectively believe
that we have the person, that we identified the person,
and that person is dead, and that he was the
person responsible not only for the Brown shootings but for
the Brookline shooting.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Can you speak to before himself reflected the contract? Was
there any interaction with free law enforcements? And that wasn't say.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Like anywhere is.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Exchange or anyththing like that.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now, when investigators went into the storage facility tonight to
execute the federal search warrant, he was dead.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Do you think he entered there, this is me.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
No, he entered an hour after what happened to Brookline.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Yes, And do you know how long that story did
he rent?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That? Like?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
How long?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Our understanding from the financial investigation is that he had
rented a storage facility at the location in Salem, New
Hampshire in November.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Can you confirm whether or not he used the same
weapon in the Brown shooting as he did at the
MIT shooting.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Ballistics investigation was ongoing and has not been completed at
this time, so we're not going to comment on that.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Can you give us any sense of when you started
to recognize perhaps that you know he was the same person.
I know it was in the video, but when it
sort of gone on investigators that these two cases.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Were we're related.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was in the last twenty four to forty eight
hours that my understanding, According to my understanding is when
the link began to be established, and that was mainly
he was using a phone that was obtuly skating ability
to track it, and he was using financial like not
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credit cards that were tied to his name, and so
he was sophisticated in hiding his tracks.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
According to the big was on sal so that that
is on Onete and and my some professor had attended
the same academic programs together PORTIONALNE and accis.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Do you know if they knew each other or my
understanding is that they did know each other.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Have they been in communications since that last day.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I don't have any information to bride you would you
go as targeted.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
We're still investigating the motive in this case and trying
to because, like I said, he was very careful in
his communications and we just don't have any information right
now to answer that question.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
But when we get that information, we will share it.
The storage locker in which his body was found, my
information is that No, was.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
That satchel in the story?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (19:58):
The question that can't hear you online?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
The question was was there anything else in the storage
unit aside from the defender's body? And the answer is
he was found in there with his satchel. There was
nothing else found in there that I am aware of,
but there's still They're still in the process of searching
that facility right now. Right away, we don't have any
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information when he killed himself, but he was dead when
investigators found his body.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Do you tell us anything.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
About his life?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Like I think he was special now coming out of
was in Florida?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Like what he was doing, was he working, was he
in the field of physics which he had studied?
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Any any sort of biographical stuff to tell us about.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Him, because his identity was only become aware to us
in the last twenty four hours. I can't provide you
with any of that information right now, but I'm sure
once we have a full understanding of what he has
been doing where he has been aside from the time
when he entered into New England in November, we will
provide that information.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Did you know any of the victims at Brown University
of personally?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We have no information that he knew any of the
victims or anyone who was at that auditorium on the
time in the night that he went in and killed.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
To be able to find anything about it when he
did attend wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Whether there were the issues and day briefly was he
kicked out? You know that information hasn't been provided to
us yet.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Given what you see on the video of the MIT
professor's home, is there any doubt that he was the
intended target of the of the killing.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
The information that I know, and again you know, the
investigations are going to continue to be able to provide
you with all the answers that you were asking, is
that there was no doubt that he was the intended target.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, we have been picking up audio here that is
the US Attorney Lea Foley Uh, and she provided a
lot of context in just a few minutes. She actually
is a very impressive, accomplished attorney, and she's just recently
been appointed the US attorney here in Boston, and she
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has handled herself very well. She clarified that the deceased,
this man, who has been identified as Claudio Nevis Valenti,
has been using credit cards which were difficult to track,
to hide his tracks, and that he indeed had been
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at the same school college in Portugal as his victim,
the professor from MIT, and that they did know one another.
As far as she said, she didn't know, but she
assumed they did. Professor Nuno Loriar Loreo, who was forty
seven years of age, this god was forty eight years
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of age. So they obviously were there at the same time.
They were at this college in Portugal from nineteen ninety
five to two thousand. So the motives will never hear
the motives unless this guy has left some sort of
a manuscript, but certainly the motives have become very very clear. Tonight,
we're going to take a break, and when we come back,
we're going to continue our conversation. General conversation about privacy
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concerns and public cameras. Wish that we had had more
public cameras in Rhode Island on Saturday, that's for sure.
My name's Dan Ray and this is Nightside. It's a
tough night here on Nightside. We apologize for any little
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