December 18, 2025 • 36 mins
As a result of the Brown University shooting, it appears the need for quality security cameras has never been greater. Public cameras are vital tools for law enforcement, especially in tackling crime. When it comes to public surveillance though, everyone has a different opinion on the matter and some, such as residents and city officials in Cambridge, are against traffic cameras citing privacy concerns. Where do you come down on the matter of public surveillance and security cameras? Are you for or against them? Do you find them a vital public safety tool in some cases?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's Beach Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Well, it's been kind of an interesting night here on Nightside.
I hope you've stayed with us. I know there's a
lot going on. We have had this this week and
the week's not over. I mean we're still Thursday Night, folks.
But it began last Saturday, Saturday afternoon, when someone murdered
two Brown University students at a study inside a study hall.
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It was critically wounded nine others. I believe that six
of them are still in the hospital. All of them
are expected to survive. And then Monday night, a professor,
well known, well respected professor at MIT, Professor Nuno Loreiro,
who was the director of the school's Plasma Science and
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Fusion Center and a professor of nuclear science and engineering
and physics, was shot to death. Now Lrrero received his
undergraduate degree in physics from the Institute Superior Technico in Lisbon, Portugal.
He then obtained his doctorate in the same subject at
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the Imperial College in London in the United Kingdom. It
has become apparent tonight that the shooter in this case
a coward who took the lives of people three people
and injured others as a forty eight year old Portugal
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Portuguese national Claudio Nevis Valente, who apparently tried to get
a physics doctorate at Brown and he dropped out in
the spring of two thousand and one. And he also
had studied in Portugal at the same university. It now
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appears in what authorities are telling us at the same
university that Professor Lorrero study at the same time nineteen
ninety five to two thousand. So he had beef in
his mind with Brown University, which didn't provide him with
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his doctorate because he withdrew, and he had a beef
with this guy, this professor from MIT, who was brilliant
and also the head of one of their nuclear He
was the head director of the school's plasma Science and
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Fusion Center. I don't even know what that means, but
that's how that's smart. This guy must have been and
he was a professor of nuclear science and engineering and physics.
So this is more failure in his life. Claudio Navis
Valente cut short the lives of two students, one a
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sophomore from Birmingham, Alabama and a freshman who came here
from Muzbekistan as well as professor the professor from MIT. So,
huh would have been nice if they were more cameras,
better cameras in the vicinity where this shooting occurred. Maybe
they could have stopped this guy. Maybe they couldn't have
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stopped him from going in and shooting the students in
the study session. But it brings us back to the argument.
You have some people like me who believes that there
should be more public cameras. We use public cameras to
raise revenue in different cities. If you park in a bus,
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if you drive in a bus lane, or if you
park in a bus lane, you get a ticket. They
use cameras on the Massachusetts Turnpike, so when you drive
from here to New York, they know exactly how fast
you were going, and they know how many toll sets
of tolls you went through on the way to New York.
And you get it. You get your bill and the mail.
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There are some people who don't want to see any cameras.
I think cameras help solve crime. I think cameras, doorbell
cameras reduce crime. So this is an age old argument.
When you think about it, it's an age old argument
public cameras versus personal privacy. We live in a world
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where technology. We didn't have cameras one hundred years ago. Well,
I guess they had some cameras, but you had to
go to a studio and stand and some guy put
a hood over his hat and he took your camera picture. Maybe,
but everybody has a camera now, everybody has a camera.
I mentioned last Hour briefly unfortunately, and briefly we had
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on Cambridge City Councilor Patty Nolan uh and Uh. I
told her that when I was worked as a TV reporter,
people would be taking pictures of a street, just beauty
shots or shots of people walking, and people come up,
you God, take my picture. Well, yes you can, if
you want to ask us. I never took someone's picture
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who didn't want that picture taken. There was someone walking
down the street with someone that they didn't want to
be seen with. I'm not going to take a picture,
but maybe the camera up on the post will. So
I think we live in a world with cameras. We
want police to wear body cameras. I think police should
wear body cameras. I think will actually help police, by
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the way, because it will also record the abuse that
police have subjected to. So I'd like to hear from
you six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. In terms of
public cameras, do you want more or less? Apparently in
Cambridge there was concern that some of the information on
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the cameras was being shared with ICE. That's a specific
use of the public camera that should be decided. Well,
I think it should be decided by the federal law.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not necessarily interested
in talking about that, but I think I think we
need more cameras. I think everybody, when they're out in
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public should understand they're not in private, and what they
might want to do in private they can't do in public,
or if they do it in public, they do it
at their own risk. As simple as that. If you
don't want to be seen with someone in public, then
don't seem in public. I guess I'm pretty simplistic. Let
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me go to Daniel in New Hampshire. Daniel, welcome back
to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Hi, Dan? Thanks for taking my phone call. You have
a very nice voice for radio.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I want to I don't know how to take that,
but I will take that as a compliment. Go right ahead, Daniel,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
All right, sir. Uh yeah, So the comp so the uh,
the argument about the more cameras or less cameras. I
think the camera, having a public camera is is a
very good tool, security tool. But at the same time,
I think when someone doesn't act like this, it's sometimes
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I feel like they take advantage of the camera, like
they're enabling more more automated technology where more cameras, and
then other people suffer because of that reason. Why identify?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, Daniel, let me understand why why do people suffer?
In other words, if if let's say you, I don't know,
you know, walk to a Let's just take a hypothetical
question a situation. You walk to a store and as
you walk down the street, there's not many people around,
and a guy comes up to you and sticks a
gun in your back and says, give me your money
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and don't look at me, don't turn around, and you
decide discretion is the better part of valor, and instead
of trying to fight the guy and maybe get shot,
you give him your wallet and he disappears. Now, if
there had been a camera shooting taking a video when
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the police arrived, they could look at the camera and
maybe get a picture of who the guy was.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I would think, right, I think that, I think you're
right that and you're right, you get like you get
a nice picture, like they show that they had some
footage on the on the uh uh the person who
did that act, and that's helpful to get uh you know,
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something with the community. But I think at the same time, uh,
that can I think it leads to uh, like I
think they enabled like uh. I think like identity stuff
is a big part of it. And I think when
like nine to eleven and when the terrorists were in
the like Logan Airport or in or in Newark, I
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think they were using the camera on purpose. And I think.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Reason Daniel Daniel who was using the camera, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The terrorists because they're they're using their face and then
the camera has a little timing on it, like it
shows the time and the date. And I noticed that
some pictures when they did that, they were being deliberate
at the at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They were apt I'm not quite.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, but you know it's like it's like like there
being strategic, you know, the being deliberate and strategic.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
All right, well that's that's that's an in point of view.
Let's do this. I got to take a commercial break.
Let's see if people want to respond to what you suggested. Okay,
all right, thank you very much for you call Merry Christmas.
If we don't talk, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All right, sir, good Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Same to you. We'll take a quick break here on
Night's side. Not exactly sure where Daniel is going with that.
I'm of my position is the more cameras, the merrier,
because they will lead to less crime. I just believe
that if you go into most stores, there's a camera. Uh,
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and if you're thinking about a five finger discount, you
probably are discouraged from executing a five finger discount because
there's a camera and maybe a picture will be taken. Uh.
I know that there are people who are more concerned
about their privacy, and I don't know if you're in
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a public place what your concern is. Maybe some of
you will share coming back on Nightside six one. The
only line open right now is six one seven nine
six one seven nine thirty. Only one line will be
back on Nightside right after this and most of the
calls so far been men. Ladies feel free to join
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, let's keep it going here. Gonna go next to
Tom in Rochester, Massachusetts. Tom, your thoughts about more public
cameras to to, I think fight crime, make make make
people were of the cameras, and and maybe they'll'll behave
better in public.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Only only the clever, only the people that actually contemplate
their actions.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's if I look back at it, jam, when I
was a kid, I had, you know, me at least
a certain certain certain certainly a lot of mischievousness in
my heart. And uh, you know, we were four teenagers.
We did a lot of stupid things, but we didn't
do smashing grabs. Right, So now you have smashing grabs
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with all this technology, and we got tapes of these
people doing it, and they don't get prosecuted, or if
they do get if they if they bother to identify
them and get them into court, they gotta let go
to do it again. No cash In terms of these
bigger crimes. Uh, it certainly helps us solve crimes. I
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don't think it prevents people from committing these crimes. I
just one quick thought. I was thinking of the last
call about the people using them at nine to eleven,
you know, twenty five, twenty four years ago, right, Uh,
somehow taking advantage our suicide bombers don't care about cameras.
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By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wasn't sure where I wasn't really honest, I wasn't sure
where Daniel was going with that. But maybe someone will
will explain it. So even even I can understand that
the idea was that we had pictures of who these
people were, because they were cameras. They were. Now again,
it would have been great if we had if we
knew who they were in advance, But we didn't know
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who they were in advance, and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Therefore we didn't have a watch list. Yeah they were not, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Precise, But let's assume. Let's assume we did have a list. Again,
We've bring it back.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Can I bring it back home, Dan, and I'll let
somebody else on ahead. Can you imagine it was about
thirty years ago when Whitey went on the run. Now
in today's day and age, you're the number one suspect
on the FBI's list most wanted. You're not going to
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survive in this world on that list, not the way
Whitey lived. Yeah, my technology has changed for high high
profile things, that technology has definitely helped. For the rest
of us, it's it is kind of a invasion of
our privacy. But hey, I don't know, I've got nothing
to worry about.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To you, well, the point is that you balance. I mean,
first of all, if if someone is going to do
something stupid, let's assume that that, Uh, you're my neighbor
and I don't like you because you park in front
of my house as opposed to parking across whatever. Uh,
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And if I know there's a camera there, I might
not go out and deflate your tires, Joe, I might
not knew something really stupid, which is more of an
inconvenience view. I want to come back to you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You're a conscientious but you're a conscientious well if I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
If I'm not conscientious. And then you come out the
next morning and you suspect that it was the bad
neighbor who deflated your tires, oh, smashed your side window.
You then can go to the town and say, hey,
there was a camera where my car was parked, and
I think so.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And then the Soros prosecutor will let you out on't
know cash.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, that's a whole set of different stories. But I
want to tell you one story about what he bowed
you that you probably don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They will perhaps not well.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Maybe you're maybe you're smarter than me after all. But
I know a little bit about the Bulger investigation, and
if you don't want to hear the story, I can
just I'll save it for another night. Why don't we
do that?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, Yeah, that's even better, Dan, Let's keep it, keep
the ts out. I didn't mean to offend you. I
just I'm unfamiliar with that stuff too. I didn't mean
to challenge your knowledge of the subject.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I can tell you that there was a period of
time long before Whitey Bulger was caught, that the authorities
believed he was living in the Tampa Bay area in Florida.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
UH.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And they had at that time facial recognition was was new,
but it was a pretty effective uh. And they had
they did facial recognition on every person who wins at
the Super Bowl, and they actually believed that there was
a possibility that they were going to spot Whitey Bulger
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inside that Super Bowl. He never attended that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, no, kidd, I never heard that story. That's that's great,
But well he didn't. Now what year was that, do
you remember?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It would have been early two thousands, long before he
was captured. He went on the LAMB in ninety five.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And yeah, I always was down in grand Isle. I
was working in grand Isle, Louisiana, and to to to
ninety nine, two thousand and my dispatcher, my dispatcher had
spotted him before the the most wanted a TV show
and he's like, oh my god. He found out I
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was from Boston, and he was telling me the story
about he came across him on the beach with his
girlfriend and it was just an interesting thing. But the
technology today, you know. Finally, Dan was that that Whitey
wouldn't be able to get away with it today. He
did thirty years ago, twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, there was always the possibility. I felt that Whitey
sometime would make the mistake once his picture had been publicized,
that he would stop being at the gas station somewhere
in like kiah Cook, Iowa, and there would be a
kid from Seuthi who would be working there, and the
kid would look at him and be smart enough to
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grab his license plate and pick up the reward. That
would be one of those just you know, coincidences. Anyway,
Tom enjoyed the conversation most of it. Six seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Uh that is a true story. There was a thought
at the time that I didn't know about it ahead
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of time, but I did find out, uh as as
I worked on the White Pulcher story that they thought
that if he was in the area, he would have
he would have taken advantage of the Super Bowl did
involve the Patriots. That was not the That was not
the connection. I got two lines open at six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. I'm not offended by the presence
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of cameras. I think it would help if we had
more cameras. Now. I know that a lot of friends
of mine might not feel the same way. But that's
what the country, That's what the show is all about,
and that's what the country's all about. Reasonable people can
disagree resentably, coming right back right after the news at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
There have now been more pictures released of the shooter.
He's just a pretty just a not what you would
expect forty eight year old guy who you know, didn't
look dangerous. But obviously he harbored a great deal of
hate for Brown University. I'm not a psychologist, but I
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think it's fair to say he harbored a lot of
hate for Brown University and for the professor who was
so successful in his career at MIT that he decided
to kill his life, to kill him the father of
I think it was three children. Who's up next? Let
me go to Ron Ron, Welcome back. How are you? Ron?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Dan, thank you for having this topic.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think it's important. I really do. I mean, I
don't see I don't see the downside. I really don't.
I know that the city councilor who we talked with
briefly sadly that we then had to break away from her,
and I'll get back to her. We may do something
of more and more substance with her, but you know,
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there's I think I think cameras will prevent.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
CROs Absolutely, Dan, I am very in favor, and I
can tell you from two personal experiences. Twenty seventeen, when
my house in Newton was burglarized. Thankfully. I had stayed
in the driveway for a little longer, listening to the
end of a radio program, and I walked in my house.
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It was March of twenty seventeen, and I could feel
the breeze from the cool breeze at that time of
the year coming from just heading towards me as I
as entered my.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Home, and I guess probably, Oh.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
My god, So they got into the back and they
had they took Oh god, it was so personal to me,
a violin that I had since I was five. My
parents had given it to me.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They got.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You believe it or not. I had my disaster backpack
all set in my living room ready to to go
as I was on call. They got that, they got
other things they had. They had taken one of my
nice dining chairs. The window was open, the dining chair
was on the on the deck. And I'm told, you know,
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the one of our Newton police were fantastic. I mean
they were. They are so skilled at knowing how to
time the different cars that had come up. And so
that was one occasion. The second occasion was just this
past year, as I was going to mg H West
for an appointment there was somebody on Route ninety five
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that was really on my tail. I mean, he had
his had his head lights up. He must have been God.
If I would have hit the brakes, he would have
and he was upset that I wasn't pulling aside. So
he followed me right into the MGAH Waltham in the
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front of it before I took a left and went
into the parking garage. I immediately went to the security
guard there and he had he was able to within
about fifteen minutes bring up the video and he could
see the truck right on my tail as I was
entering into the parking garage. Now he did, he couldn't
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get enough clarity to see the driver, but we got
the vehicle.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well good, now did in the first instance, when your
home was broken into, was anyone ever charge? Did you
ever get any of your the materials that were stolen back?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No? No, I mean the you know, the the detective
Newton detective that worked on it for about a year. Anyway,
I guess they have the system where they get supposedly
all the reports with pawnshops and and that sort of thing. Yeah,
I kept checking in with him, and no, it was
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never so what.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What happened with the driver? Did did he stay in
the garage or did he just pull out of the garage?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He took off. But but they got him on camera.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, did they they have any did? I mean, they
should have turned that information over to the Registry of
Motor Vehicles.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, they couldn't get his plate. I mean he was
up on my.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ben there been there, trust me. Okay, I know exactly
what you mean. But that's an example people again. Now
people have cameras on their cars, and so you've got
to be a little bit better. I think it's an
incentive to behave better and I think that is what
is important. I really do.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I think we have to today. It's like when I when
you go out on the pike now as I grow
up to work today to state police are sitting right
there in two uh two spots and and people behave
as they're getting onto that uh yeah spot.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. And as a matter of fact, also with with
some of these uh these GPS ways and Google Maps,
they will tell you police ahead, and that's okay. It
seems to me that that causes people to slow down
a little bit and maybe it saves some accidents.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
So absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I just don't understand the people who are fearful. Look,
if I'm out on the street and I'm doing drug deals,
I probably don't want cameras around. But other than that,
I mean, why would you not. I mean unless you're
gonna go out on the street and do something really
weird and it's and it's gonna be captured on the camera.
I just think that there there are good friends of
mine who I know would be opposed to that, but
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because again they feel it's a it's a it's a
state intrusion on your privacy. I think once you start
to walk around on public streets, you're giving up some privacy.
It's like you're when when when when you put out
your trash? You lose the sense of privacy. If if
the government is investigating you for something, let's say, for
you know, for some sort of I R S problem, uh,
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and and you make the mistake of putting out your
files in your trash and they come by and grab
the trash, that's fair game. I mean, you give up
your experts. You don't have an expectation of privacy in
my in my opinion, Hey, Ron, I hate to do this. Year.
I got to run. Great call. Thank you so much
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
All right, let's keep rolling here, we're gonna you know,
you know what, Rob, the callers have got short change here,
So let me grab real quickly, Rich and Lynn and
we'll do the We'll do the ads after Rich. Rich,
I don't want you to have to wait any longer.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Go right ahead, Rich, Damn. Thank you, so I have
the uh.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
This is a coming from the perspective of from law
enforcement now, twenty two years in law enforcement. We need
more cameras. I appreciate that, you know, I think we
need more. I've been a detective for I can't even
tell you how many now, and I can't tell you
how instrumental solving crimes have been using video. And you
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know there's always pushed back, you know, you know when
we first got city video, you know, you know, d
A defense attorneys were requesting video all the time, right
and then when it stops showing, it starts showing that
their clients are the ones that are in the wrong
and that the police and the police aren't the ones
that are doing the wrong thing. Right to request stop.
(27:00):
And then we started with the body cameras and influx
of requests for body camera footage and when it starts
making their clients look bad, we no longer have body
camera requests, right, They're at a minimum. I've personally worked numerous,
you know, homicides where we've tracked video for miles and
miles and miles to you know, catch a suspect, you know,
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and locate evidence. So, you know, I think we need
more cameras in I just want to put this point
out there that you know, from the expectation of privacy thing,
the first thing that happens when an officer arrives on
scene is everybody pulls out their cameras because they want
to try to catch someone in my off westment.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Doing absolutely and particularly you know what I'm saying. Oh,
but deal was going in now with the ice officers
right the rest and there are people they are literally
in their face, And I think that there should be
some zone where the police officers should not be interfered with,
and I've advocated for that. I think they have will
be there in Florida, there is.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
And it exists here as well, and it's called interfering
with a police investigation. But obviously, like the last caller said,
you know the last called the previous caller. Nine times
out of ten, those don't get prosecuted because you know
it's a touchy subject.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well it is. It should not be a touchy subject
when it is. We appoint, we elect officials who appoint judges.
And then there were good judges. I have a lot
of friends of mine who are great judges. But I'm
talking about particularly judges in Soros and even district attorneys
that Soro saysn't liked it and they don't want it.
We had Rachel Rawlins want it. You want to shoplift
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one thousand dollars, no problem, free pass, it's you get
out of, get out of you get out of jail card.
It's a get out of even going to court card.
If it's under a thousand dollars. You're putting the small
business owners and and the people own small variety so
as that serve communities. Look, I said from the get go,
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body cameras on police officers will help police officers, and
I think.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
That and they have and you know, I have no
I have no reservations about wearing a body camera at all.
You know, obviously there's other things that play into that,
but you know, they help us more than they hurt,
as well as the city cameras. You know, but you
know to your point about you know, deterring crime. What
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I think needs to happen is when crimes are solved
using audio or video or surveillance, it needs to be publicized.
It needs to be put out there because we don't
we don't publish, we don't like to promote our create
trade craft. But I think that needs to be put
out there, that this is how the subject is found.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you,
Rich I got you on you. I want you to
call the show more often because your perspective. I really
do absolutely thank you, my man. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Okay, thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Good night. Six one seven, six one seven, nine thirty.
Were coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Let me go to Linda M.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
What do you want to say going on I totally
one hundred percent agree with you. I think there should
be more cameras and I'm shocked if there wasn't. And
also what's what's upsetting to me is where were the
campus police. I don't understand why why there was why
there wasn't somebody there at the door, well at the entrance.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Uh. Campus police forces,
whether it's at Brown or Boston College or whatever. Uh,
these campuses, even though Brown has a fairly small campus,
on a Saturday afternoon, particularly at this time of year,
they probably have a lot of police officers who are,
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you know, on vacation, which they have a right to have.
They don't expect something like that. If it had happened
during let's say, a day, a weekday, they probably have
more officers on duty. But he did his his his
his horrible actions, and he left and the damage was done,
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and the at that point, you know, college police, university
police are not nearly equipped adequately to be able, you know,
if they don't have like, you know, cars that can
come in many directions. I don't know how many. It
would be a really interesting question to find out how
many police officers Brown police officers were on campus. I'll
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bet you it was half a dozen or eight or
something like that on a on a Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah it was. But there were students in there,
and and and they were they were doing tests. I mean,
you know, I I would like to know if if
I was a parent, I would like to know that
at least there was some security there for them.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Uh. I got to be honest. I got to be
honest with you. Okay. I went to law school a
long time ago. Uh, and I very rarely and I
was at the campus of Boston University Law School, and
we were right near the undergraduates. I very rarely saw
a security officer back in the day.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Really wow, really.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Again. The other thing, too, is I think that the
universities rely upon their proximity to the major police departments.
And whether it's Boston University in Boston or Brown in Providence,
Rhode Island, if if you're probably in some rural area,
let us say like a Middlebury up in Vermont, you
might have to have a bigger police force of your own. Linda,
(33:03):
I love your calls, but I'm gonna have to run
here because I want to give Matthew that word. Okay,
thanks for calling, appreciate you, Thank you very much. Okay, Matthew,
we got you on. Hopefully you're okay this time. Matthew
from Saugus.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Look, you remember that I'm from Sagas. Yeah, I'm here.
You know what was happening?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I really don't know. I want to know, but go
ahead tell me.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Last night when I or not last night. It was
the other night when Trump did his little speech there.
You had such good notes. So when you came back
from the think you had this note after note after notes,
so you were writing stuff down so before uh, and
I just called you off the cuff. I just pulled
over and called you. I wanted to have a little
bit better notes. So I was literally making my notes
(33:53):
and then you called on me. Well, go ahead, will
never happen again, mister.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
No problem. Look we only have about a minute left,
so give me your best shot. Let's hear it, go
right ahead.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
All right here. It is this whole Mit Brown thing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's a lot weirder.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Than I think everyone thinks it is. I know for
a fact, I had people on some of my chat
groups on like reddits talking about how they could have
been connected, and people were saying, don't talk about that.
There's no such thing. And now every news source is
thing that those two things are connected.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, well this guy was just.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Just what this guy was into.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Look at all that, Well, I don't know what else
he's into just but what I want to do is
just on what we know. We know that he went
to the same university, undergraduate university is this guy at
about the same time in Portugal, and twenty five years
later he comes and kills him at his home professor
and mit professor. And this guy also tried to get
(35:00):
tried to get a doctor gree from Brown in physics,
and he flamed out. So he held grudge against against
Brown University and against his colleague, his college colleague. Hey, Matthew,
we got to pick up this conversation later date because
I got twenty seconds left until I got to get
off the air. Okay, we will.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
It almost sounds like it was written by Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, sadly, sadly, that might be the most coaching comment
of the night, and may well be. Matthew, thank you much.
We'll talk soon. Okay, thank you very much. We had
done for the night. Back tomorrow night. Everybody want to
thank Rob tough night, but he did a great job alone,
didn't have a lot of help, but I thank him
for his work. Tonight I will be on Facebook nice
(35:44):
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It's Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's Beach Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Well, it's been kind of an interesting night here on Nightside.
I hope you've stayed with us. I know there's a
lot going on. We have had this this week and
the week's not over. I mean we're still Thursday Night, folks.
But it began last Saturday, Saturday afternoon, when someone murdered
two Brown University students at a study inside a study hall.
(00:30):
It was critically wounded nine others. I believe that six
of them are still in the hospital. All of them
are expected to survive. And then Monday night, a professor,
well known, well respected professor at MIT, Professor Nuno Loreiro,
who was the director of the school's Plasma Science and
(00:53):
Fusion Center and a professor of nuclear science and engineering
and physics, was shot to death. Now Lrrero received his
undergraduate degree in physics from the Institute Superior Technico in Lisbon, Portugal.
He then obtained his doctorate in the same subject at
(01:15):
the Imperial College in London in the United Kingdom. It
has become apparent tonight that the shooter in this case
a coward who took the lives of people three people
and injured others as a forty eight year old Portugal
(01:37):
Portuguese national Claudio Nevis Valente, who apparently tried to get
a physics doctorate at Brown and he dropped out in
the spring of two thousand and one. And he also
had studied in Portugal at the same university. It now
(02:04):
appears in what authorities are telling us at the same
university that Professor Lorrero study at the same time nineteen
ninety five to two thousand. So he had beef in
his mind with Brown University, which didn't provide him with
(02:28):
his doctorate because he withdrew, and he had a beef
with this guy, this professor from MIT, who was brilliant
and also the head of one of their nuclear He
was the head director of the school's plasma Science and
(02:49):
Fusion Center. I don't even know what that means, but
that's how that's smart. This guy must have been and
he was a professor of nuclear science and engineering and physics.
So this is more failure in his life. Claudio Navis
Valente cut short the lives of two students, one a
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sophomore from Birmingham, Alabama and a freshman who came here
from Muzbekistan as well as professor the professor from MIT. So,
huh would have been nice if they were more cameras,
better cameras in the vicinity where this shooting occurred. Maybe
they could have stopped this guy. Maybe they couldn't have
(03:33):
stopped him from going in and shooting the students in
the study session. But it brings us back to the argument.
You have some people like me who believes that there
should be more public cameras. We use public cameras to
raise revenue in different cities. If you park in a bus,
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if you drive in a bus lane, or if you
park in a bus lane, you get a ticket. They
use cameras on the Massachusetts Turnpike, so when you drive
from here to New York, they know exactly how fast
you were going, and they know how many toll sets
of tolls you went through on the way to New York.
And you get it. You get your bill and the mail.
(04:14):
There are some people who don't want to see any cameras.
I think cameras help solve crime. I think cameras, doorbell
cameras reduce crime. So this is an age old argument.
When you think about it, it's an age old argument
public cameras versus personal privacy. We live in a world
(04:38):
where technology. We didn't have cameras one hundred years ago. Well,
I guess they had some cameras, but you had to
go to a studio and stand and some guy put
a hood over his hat and he took your camera picture. Maybe,
but everybody has a camera now, everybody has a camera.
I mentioned last Hour briefly unfortunately, and briefly we had
(04:59):
on Cambridge City Councilor Patty Nolan uh and Uh. I
told her that when I was worked as a TV reporter,
people would be taking pictures of a street, just beauty
shots or shots of people walking, and people come up,
you God, take my picture. Well, yes you can, if
you want to ask us. I never took someone's picture
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who didn't want that picture taken. There was someone walking
down the street with someone that they didn't want to
be seen with. I'm not going to take a picture,
but maybe the camera up on the post will. So
I think we live in a world with cameras. We
want police to wear body cameras. I think police should
wear body cameras. I think will actually help police, by
(05:42):
the way, because it will also record the abuse that
police have subjected to. So I'd like to hear from
you six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. In terms of
public cameras, do you want more or less? Apparently in
Cambridge there was concern that some of the information on
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the cameras was being shared with ICE. That's a specific
use of the public camera that should be decided. Well,
I think it should be decided by the federal law.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not necessarily interested
in talking about that, but I think I think we
need more cameras. I think everybody, when they're out in
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public should understand they're not in private, and what they
might want to do in private they can't do in public,
or if they do it in public, they do it
at their own risk. As simple as that. If you
don't want to be seen with someone in public, then
don't seem in public. I guess I'm pretty simplistic. Let
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me go to Daniel in New Hampshire. Daniel, welcome back
to Nightside. How are you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Hi, Dan? Thanks for taking my phone call. You have
a very nice voice for radio.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I want to I don't know how to take that,
but I will take that as a compliment. Go right ahead, Daniel,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
All right, sir. Uh yeah, So the comp so the uh,
the argument about the more cameras or less cameras. I
think the camera, having a public camera is is a
very good tool, security tool. But at the same time,
I think when someone doesn't act like this, it's sometimes
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I feel like they take advantage of the camera, like
they're enabling more more automated technology where more cameras, and
then other people suffer because of that reason. Why identify?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, Daniel, let me understand why why do people suffer?
In other words, if if let's say you, I don't know,
you know, walk to a Let's just take a hypothetical
question a situation. You walk to a store and as
you walk down the street, there's not many people around,
and a guy comes up to you and sticks a
gun in your back and says, give me your money
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and don't look at me, don't turn around, and you
decide discretion is the better part of valor, and instead
of trying to fight the guy and maybe get shot,
you give him your wallet and he disappears. Now, if
there had been a camera shooting taking a video when
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the police arrived, they could look at the camera and
maybe get a picture of who the guy was.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I would think, right, I think that, I think you're
right that and you're right, you get like you get
a nice picture, like they show that they had some
footage on the on the uh uh the person who
did that act, and that's helpful to get uh you know,
(09:00):
something with the community. But I think at the same time, uh,
that can I think it leads to uh, like I
think they enabled like uh. I think like identity stuff
is a big part of it. And I think when
like nine to eleven and when the terrorists were in
the like Logan Airport or in or in Newark, I
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think they were using the camera on purpose. And I think.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Reason Daniel Daniel who was using the camera, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The terrorists because they're they're using their face and then
the camera has a little timing on it, like it
shows the time and the date. And I noticed that
some pictures when they did that, they were being deliberate
at the at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They were apt I'm not quite.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, but you know it's like it's like like there
being strategic, you know, the being deliberate and strategic.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
All right, well that's that's that's an in point of view.
Let's do this. I got to take a commercial break.
Let's see if people want to respond to what you suggested. Okay,
all right, thank you very much for you call Merry Christmas.
If we don't talk, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All right, sir, good Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Same to you. We'll take a quick break here on
Night's side. Not exactly sure where Daniel is going with that.
I'm of my position is the more cameras, the merrier,
because they will lead to less crime. I just believe
that if you go into most stores, there's a camera. Uh,
(10:43):
and if you're thinking about a five finger discount, you
probably are discouraged from executing a five finger discount because
there's a camera and maybe a picture will be taken. Uh.
I know that there are people who are more concerned
about their privacy, and I don't know if you're in
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a public place what your concern is. Maybe some of
you will share coming back on Nightside six one. The
only line open right now is six one seven nine
six one seven nine thirty. Only one line will be
back on Nightside right after this and most of the
calls so far been men. Ladies feel free to join
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, let's keep it going here. Gonna go next to
Tom in Rochester, Massachusetts. Tom, your thoughts about more public
cameras to to, I think fight crime, make make make
people were of the cameras, and and maybe they'll'll behave
better in public.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Only only the clever, only the people that actually contemplate
their actions.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's if I look back at it, jam, when I
was a kid, I had, you know, me at least
a certain certain certain certainly a lot of mischievousness in
my heart. And uh, you know, we were four teenagers.
We did a lot of stupid things, but we didn't
do smashing grabs. Right, So now you have smashing grabs
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with all this technology, and we got tapes of these
people doing it, and they don't get prosecuted, or if
they do get if they if they bother to identify
them and get them into court, they gotta let go
to do it again. No cash In terms of these
bigger crimes. Uh, it certainly helps us solve crimes. I
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don't think it prevents people from committing these crimes. I
just one quick thought. I was thinking of the last
call about the people using them at nine to eleven,
you know, twenty five, twenty four years ago, right, Uh,
somehow taking advantage our suicide bombers don't care about cameras.
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By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wasn't sure where I wasn't really honest, I wasn't sure
where Daniel was going with that. But maybe someone will
will explain it. So even even I can understand that
the idea was that we had pictures of who these
people were, because they were cameras. They were. Now again,
it would have been great if we had if we
knew who they were in advance, But we didn't know
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who they were in advance, and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Therefore we didn't have a watch list. Yeah they were not, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Precise, But let's assume. Let's assume we did have a list. Again,
We've bring it back.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Can I bring it back home, Dan, and I'll let
somebody else on ahead. Can you imagine it was about
thirty years ago when Whitey went on the run. Now
in today's day and age, you're the number one suspect
on the FBI's list most wanted. You're not going to
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survive in this world on that list, not the way
Whitey lived. Yeah, my technology has changed for high high
profile things, that technology has definitely helped. For the rest
of us, it's it is kind of a invasion of
our privacy. But hey, I don't know, I've got nothing
to worry about.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To you, well, the point is that you balance. I mean,
first of all, if if someone is going to do
something stupid, let's assume that that, Uh, you're my neighbor
and I don't like you because you park in front
of my house as opposed to parking across whatever. Uh,
(14:52):
And if I know there's a camera there, I might
not go out and deflate your tires, Joe, I might
not knew something really stupid, which is more of an
inconvenience view. I want to come back to you.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You're a conscientious but you're a conscientious well if I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
If I'm not conscientious. And then you come out the
next morning and you suspect that it was the bad
neighbor who deflated your tires, oh, smashed your side window.
You then can go to the town and say, hey,
there was a camera where my car was parked, and
I think so.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And then the Soros prosecutor will let you out on't
know cash.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, that's a whole set of different stories. But I
want to tell you one story about what he bowed
you that you probably don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They will perhaps not well.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Maybe you're maybe you're smarter than me after all. But
I know a little bit about the Bulger investigation, and
if you don't want to hear the story, I can
just I'll save it for another night. Why don't we
do that?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, Yeah, that's even better, Dan, Let's keep it, keep
the ts out. I didn't mean to offend you. I
just I'm unfamiliar with that stuff too. I didn't mean
to challenge your knowledge of the subject.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I can tell you that there was a period of
time long before Whitey Bulger was caught, that the authorities
believed he was living in the Tampa Bay area in Florida.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
UH.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And they had at that time facial recognition was was new,
but it was a pretty effective uh. And they had
they did facial recognition on every person who wins at
the Super Bowl, and they actually believed that there was
a possibility that they were going to spot Whitey Bulger
(16:36):
inside that Super Bowl. He never attended that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, no, kidd, I never heard that story. That's that's great,
But well he didn't. Now what year was that, do
you remember?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It would have been early two thousands, long before he
was captured. He went on the LAMB in ninety five.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And yeah, I always was down in grand Isle. I
was working in grand Isle, Louisiana, and to to to
ninety nine, two thousand and my dispatcher, my dispatcher had
spotted him before the the most wanted a TV show
and he's like, oh my god. He found out I
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was from Boston, and he was telling me the story
about he came across him on the beach with his
girlfriend and it was just an interesting thing. But the
technology today, you know. Finally, Dan was that that Whitey
wouldn't be able to get away with it today. He
did thirty years ago, twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, there was always the possibility. I felt that Whitey
sometime would make the mistake once his picture had been publicized,
that he would stop being at the gas station somewhere
in like kiah Cook, Iowa, and there would be a
kid from Seuthi who would be working there, and the
kid would look at him and be smart enough to
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grab his license plate and pick up the reward. That
would be one of those just you know, coincidences. Anyway,
Tom enjoyed the conversation most of it. Six seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Uh that is a true story. There was a thought
at the time that I didn't know about it ahead
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of time, but I did find out, uh as as
I worked on the White Pulcher story that they thought
that if he was in the area, he would have
he would have taken advantage of the Super Bowl did
involve the Patriots. That was not the That was not
the connection. I got two lines open at six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. I'm not offended by the presence
(18:39):
of cameras. I think it would help if we had
more cameras. Now. I know that a lot of friends
of mine might not feel the same way. But that's
what the country, That's what the show is all about,
and that's what the country's all about. Reasonable people can
disagree resentably, coming right back right after the news at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
There have now been more pictures released of the shooter.
He's just a pretty just a not what you would
expect forty eight year old guy who you know, didn't
look dangerous. But obviously he harbored a great deal of
hate for Brown University. I'm not a psychologist, but I
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think it's fair to say he harbored a lot of
hate for Brown University and for the professor who was
so successful in his career at MIT that he decided
to kill his life, to kill him the father of
I think it was three children. Who's up next? Let
me go to Ron Ron, Welcome back. How are you? Ron?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Dan, thank you for having this topic.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think it's important. I really do. I mean, I
don't see I don't see the downside. I really don't.
I know that the city councilor who we talked with
briefly sadly that we then had to break away from her,
and I'll get back to her. We may do something
of more and more substance with her, but you know,
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there's I think I think cameras will prevent.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
CROs Absolutely, Dan, I am very in favor, and I
can tell you from two personal experiences. Twenty seventeen, when
my house in Newton was burglarized. Thankfully. I had stayed
in the driveway for a little longer, listening to the
end of a radio program, and I walked in my house.
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It was March of twenty seventeen, and I could feel
the breeze from the cool breeze at that time of
the year coming from just heading towards me as I
as entered my.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Home, and I guess probably, Oh.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
My god, So they got into the back and they
had they took Oh god, it was so personal to me,
a violin that I had since I was five. My
parents had given it to me.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They got.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You believe it or not. I had my disaster backpack
all set in my living room ready to to go
as I was on call. They got that, they got
other things they had. They had taken one of my
nice dining chairs. The window was open, the dining chair
was on the on the deck. And I'm told, you know,
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the one of our Newton police were fantastic. I mean
they were. They are so skilled at knowing how to
time the different cars that had come up. And so
that was one occasion. The second occasion was just this
past year, as I was going to mg H West
for an appointment there was somebody on Route ninety five
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that was really on my tail. I mean, he had
his had his head lights up. He must have been God.
If I would have hit the brakes, he would have
and he was upset that I wasn't pulling aside. So
he followed me right into the MGAH Waltham in the
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front of it before I took a left and went
into the parking garage. I immediately went to the security
guard there and he had he was able to within
about fifteen minutes bring up the video and he could
see the truck right on my tail as I was
entering into the parking garage. Now he did, he couldn't
(22:47):
get enough clarity to see the driver, but we got
the vehicle.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well good, now did in the first instance, when your
home was broken into, was anyone ever charge? Did you
ever get any of your the materials that were stolen back?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
No? No, I mean the you know, the the detective
Newton detective that worked on it for about a year. Anyway,
I guess they have the system where they get supposedly
all the reports with pawnshops and and that sort of thing. Yeah,
I kept checking in with him, and no, it was
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never so what.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What happened with the driver? Did did he stay in
the garage or did he just pull out of the garage?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He took off. But but they got him on camera.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, did they they have any did? I mean, they
should have turned that information over to the Registry of
Motor Vehicles.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, they couldn't get his plate. I mean he was
up on my.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ben there been there, trust me. Okay, I know exactly
what you mean. But that's an example people again. Now
people have cameras on their cars, and so you've got
to be a little bit better. I think it's an
incentive to behave better and I think that is what
is important. I really do.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I think we have to today. It's like when I when
you go out on the pike now as I grow
up to work today to state police are sitting right
there in two uh two spots and and people behave
as they're getting onto that uh yeah spot.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. And as a matter of fact, also with with
some of these uh these GPS ways and Google Maps,
they will tell you police ahead, and that's okay. It
seems to me that that causes people to slow down
a little bit and maybe it saves some accidents.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
So absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I just don't understand the people who are fearful. Look,
if I'm out on the street and I'm doing drug deals,
I probably don't want cameras around. But other than that,
I mean, why would you not. I mean unless you're
gonna go out on the street and do something really
weird and it's and it's gonna be captured on the camera.
I just think that there there are good friends of
mine who I know would be opposed to that, but
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because again they feel it's a it's a it's a
state intrusion on your privacy. I think once you start
to walk around on public streets, you're giving up some privacy.
It's like you're when when when when you put out
your trash? You lose the sense of privacy. If if
the government is investigating you for something, let's say, for
you know, for some sort of I R S problem, uh,
(25:30):
and and you make the mistake of putting out your
files in your trash and they come by and grab
the trash, that's fair game. I mean, you give up
your experts. You don't have an expectation of privacy in
my in my opinion, Hey, Ron, I hate to do this. Year.
I got to run. Great call. Thank you so much
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
All right, let's keep rolling here, we're gonna you know,
you know what, Rob, the callers have got short change here,
So let me grab real quickly, Rich and Lynn and
we'll do the We'll do the ads after Rich. Rich,
I don't want you to have to wait any longer.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Go right ahead, Rich, Damn. Thank you, so I have
the uh.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
This is a coming from the perspective of from law
enforcement now, twenty two years in law enforcement. We need
more cameras. I appreciate that, you know, I think we
need more. I've been a detective for I can't even
tell you how many now, and I can't tell you
how instrumental solving crimes have been using video. And you
(26:38):
know there's always pushed back, you know, you know when
we first got city video, you know, you know, d
A defense attorneys were requesting video all the time, right
and then when it stops showing, it starts showing that
their clients are the ones that are in the wrong
and that the police and the police aren't the ones
that are doing the wrong thing. Right to request stop.
(27:00):
And then we started with the body cameras and influx
of requests for body camera footage and when it starts
making their clients look bad, we no longer have body
camera requests, right, They're at a minimum. I've personally worked numerous,
you know, homicides where we've tracked video for miles and
miles and miles to you know, catch a suspect, you know,
(27:26):
and locate evidence. So, you know, I think we need
more cameras in I just want to put this point
out there that you know, from the expectation of privacy thing,
the first thing that happens when an officer arrives on
scene is everybody pulls out their cameras because they want
to try to catch someone in my off westment.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Doing absolutely and particularly you know what I'm saying. Oh,
but deal was going in now with the ice officers
right the rest and there are people they are literally
in their face, And I think that there should be
some zone where the police officers should not be interfered with,
and I've advocated for that. I think they have will
be there in Florida, there is.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
And it exists here as well, and it's called interfering
with a police investigation. But obviously, like the last caller said,
you know the last called the previous caller. Nine times
out of ten, those don't get prosecuted because you know
it's a touchy subject.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well it is. It should not be a touchy subject
when it is. We appoint, we elect officials who appoint judges.
And then there were good judges. I have a lot
of friends of mine who are great judges. But I'm
talking about particularly judges in Soros and even district attorneys
that Soro saysn't liked it and they don't want it.
We had Rachel Rawlins want it. You want to shoplift
(28:51):
one thousand dollars, no problem, free pass, it's you get
out of, get out of you get out of jail card.
It's a get out of even going to court card.
If it's under a thousand dollars. You're putting the small
business owners and and the people own small variety so
as that serve communities. Look, I said from the get go,
(29:11):
body cameras on police officers will help police officers, and
I think.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
That and they have and you know, I have no
I have no reservations about wearing a body camera at all.
You know, obviously there's other things that play into that,
but you know, they help us more than they hurt,
as well as the city cameras. You know, but you
know to your point about you know, deterring crime. What
(29:38):
I think needs to happen is when crimes are solved
using audio or video or surveillance, it needs to be publicized.
It needs to be put out there because we don't
we don't publish, we don't like to promote our create
trade craft. But I think that needs to be put
out there, that this is how the subject is found.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you,
Rich I got you on you. I want you to
call the show more often because your perspective. I really
do absolutely thank you, my man. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Okay, thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Good night. Six one seven, six one seven, nine thirty.
Were coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Let me go to Linda M.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
What do you want to say going on I totally
one hundred percent agree with you. I think there should
be more cameras and I'm shocked if there wasn't. And
also what's what's upsetting to me is where were the
campus police. I don't understand why why there was why
there wasn't somebody there at the door, well at the entrance.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Uh. Campus police forces,
whether it's at Brown or Boston College or whatever. Uh,
these campuses, even though Brown has a fairly small campus,
on a Saturday afternoon, particularly at this time of year,
they probably have a lot of police officers who are,
(31:12):
you know, on vacation, which they have a right to have.
They don't expect something like that. If it had happened
during let's say, a day, a weekday, they probably have
more officers on duty. But he did his his his
his horrible actions, and he left and the damage was done,
(31:36):
and the at that point, you know, college police, university
police are not nearly equipped adequately to be able, you know,
if they don't have like, you know, cars that can
come in many directions. I don't know how many. It
would be a really interesting question to find out how
many police officers Brown police officers were on campus. I'll
(31:58):
bet you it was half a dozen or eight or
something like that on a on a Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah it was. But there were students in there,
and and and they were they were doing tests. I mean,
you know, I I would like to know if if
I was a parent, I would like to know that
at least there was some security there for them.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Uh. I got to be honest. I got to be
honest with you. Okay. I went to law school a
long time ago. Uh, and I very rarely and I
was at the campus of Boston University Law School, and
we were right near the undergraduates. I very rarely saw
a security officer back in the day.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Really wow, really.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Again. The other thing, too, is I think that the
universities rely upon their proximity to the major police departments.
And whether it's Boston University in Boston or Brown in Providence,
Rhode Island, if if you're probably in some rural area,
let us say like a Middlebury up in Vermont, you
might have to have a bigger police force of your own. Linda,
(33:03):
I love your calls, but I'm gonna have to run
here because I want to give Matthew that word. Okay,
thanks for calling, appreciate you, Thank you very much. Okay, Matthew,
we got you on. Hopefully you're okay this time. Matthew
from Saugus.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Look, you remember that I'm from Sagas. Yeah, I'm here.
You know what was happening?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I really don't know. I want to know, but go
ahead tell me.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Last night when I or not last night. It was
the other night when Trump did his little speech there.
You had such good notes. So when you came back
from the think you had this note after note after notes,
so you were writing stuff down so before uh, and
I just called you off the cuff. I just pulled
over and called you. I wanted to have a little
bit better notes. So I was literally making my notes
(33:53):
and then you called on me. Well, go ahead, will
never happen again, mister.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
No problem. Look we only have about a minute left,
so give me your best shot. Let's hear it, go
right ahead.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
All right here. It is this whole Mit Brown thing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's a lot weirder.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Than I think everyone thinks it is. I know for
a fact, I had people on some of my chat
groups on like reddits talking about how they could have
been connected, and people were saying, don't talk about that.
There's no such thing. And now every news source is
thing that those two things are connected.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, well this guy was just.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Just what this guy was into.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Look at all that, Well, I don't know what else
he's into just but what I want to do is
just on what we know. We know that he went
to the same university, undergraduate university is this guy at
about the same time in Portugal, and twenty five years
later he comes and kills him at his home professor
and mit professor. And this guy also tried to get
(35:00):
tried to get a doctor gree from Brown in physics,
and he flamed out. So he held grudge against against
Brown University and against his colleague, his college colleague. Hey, Matthew,
we got to pick up this conversation later date because
I got twenty seconds left until I got to get
off the air. Okay, we will.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
It almost sounds like it was written by Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, sadly, sadly, that might be the most coaching comment
of the night, and may well be. Matthew, thank you much.
We'll talk soon. Okay, thank you very much. We had
done for the night. Back tomorrow night. Everybody want to
thank Rob tough night, but he did a great job alone,
didn't have a lot of help, but I thank him
for his work. Tonight I will be on Facebook nice
(35:44):
with Dan Ray shortly. I'll end quickly. All dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie ray Is,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's all your
pets are who have passed. They loved you, You love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. Stay dry Tomorrow Friday.
We'll see tomorrow night on Friday at eight o five
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