July 28, 2025 • 38 mins
The 2025 MLB trade deadline is upon us, and it's anyone's guess as to what's in store for the Red Sox. Will they be trading some of their younger players to increase their chances of getting to the World Series? Boston Globe Sports Columnist Dan Shaughnessy broke it down for us.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're on night side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's
Dan Watkins.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you, Dan Watkins. As we move into the nine
o'clock hour here at night, so you're gonna talk a
little baseball. There's a big week in baseball. No that
it's not the World Series, it's not the playoffs. Is
the trade deadline and with us is none of the
Dan Shaughnessy, I'm sure Dan is watching the Red Sox game.
I kind of kept an eye on it. The Red
Sox are just as Dan Watkins reported, gone ahead three
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to two on a three run dinger by Alex Bragman.
Dan Shaughnessy, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm good, Dan, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're just back from Cooperstown and you have an interesting
piece that I read today. Talked with a lot of
the Hall of famers up there, and sounds to me
like there's a there's a huge gulf that's developing between
the guys who are in the Hall of Fame and
the guys who are still playing looking to get in
the Hall of Fame. Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, thank you, Yeah, I was that was unsolicited. I
was spent a lot of three days there and I
had a lot of very privileged to have access to
these guys. And over the course of the induction weekend,
and I wasn't looking for anything, but I kept having
guys offer that they're they're not happy with the way
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the game is played now. And that's not that unusual,
you know, old generation, new generation, you know, it's kind
of time tested. But but in this case, they just
feel no one wants to hear what they have to say,
and they're being kind of discouraged from from offering help
or or being solicited to talk about to young players
because it's just done differently now and that creates some
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you know, I don't know, pushback or agitation, whatever you call.
So I was, you know, you know, Rod Carew, Ken,
Griffy Junior, Jim Rice, Eddie Murray, just tauch a lot
of guys, and they were they were bringing it up
without me asking about it, and and it was a
little but startling to hear guys being told, you know,
we don't want you to talk to our players. Kind
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of a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, Like if you were somebody who had a
chance to talk to Leonard Bernstein, you know when he
was alive, or you know, some other impresario in some
some area. I remember the story, and I think you
broke the story from now mistaken about Jim riis down
and and fort Meyer is being cautioned by some guy
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not to talk about hitting with a couple of the
younger players.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That was Alex. That was Alex Barre at the Globe
does a great job, And yeah, okay, I probably I
try writes down to talk a little bit more about
it after hearing from other players about how this is
a trend. And I talked to Carlton Fisk later today
after you and I arranged to do this interview, and
Fist told me, Yeah, when I was in Sarasota with
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the White Sox, they said, please don't talk to our cat.
I like really. So it's like it's like they know
better now and this is how we do it now,
and it's different things they stress and it's just kind
of a weird thing. So uh, as one of the
older guys who I have a lot of value for
for what happened before, and I do think that there's
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there's value in talking to Jim Rice or Rod Carew
about hitting. I mean, see Cruse Caruse exit velocity wouldn't
be big, wouldn't be fast because he placed the ball
he kind of like a tennis guy in soft server
over the left center as opposed to you know, hitting
rockets spill down the first baseline with great exit b low. Yeah,
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it's just it's just different, you know, different approach and
and you know, everybody's got their notion of what works
and what doesn't. But yeah, I was it made for
an interesting top topic.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well when does that piece hit the U? I know
it's digital today, it's on the webs.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, it'll be in print tomorrow. Tomorrow's printed globe and
it's online now and it'll.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'll be reading tomorrow. I've read it today and just
enjoyed it. It was, you know, great to see some
of the names that you forget, Jim Cotton and people
like that, who you know, you realize that these guys
were great, great baseball players in their day and they
would be great baseball players today as well. But what
we want to talk about tonight is the the annual
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one of the one of the days that real baseball
fans look forward to, and that is the trade deadline.
So the the Red Sox have just you know, gone
ahead out in Minnesota. They're playing, as you would say,
kind of a Tomato can team and the Twins. They
should sweep the Twins and if they do, that'll you know,
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that'll that will help them. I think Toronto is losing tonight,
so it's going to tighten up a little bit. Uh,
buyers are sellers.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, the Red Sox, they have to be buyers. I mean,
you know they can't sometimes they middle this thing. But uh,
you know in baseball all today, you know, you're it's
designed to have a lot of people in contention. They
are twelve teams make the playoffs. If the playoffs started today,
they would be in the playoffs. So you're not a
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seller when you've got that group. They've they've not been
great in this area the last five or six years,
and that's problematic with the fan base a little bit,
and rightfully so. But I can't vision any scenario where
they're selling off, you know, like a old As Chapman
or or you know, dumping pieces because they've they've they've
cashed on this year. This team has a chance to
make some noise. The American League is wide open. Baseball
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is wide open. There's no great teams. But in the
Al in particular, you get hot, you get a chance,
and they've they've played well against you know, they just
based the good National League Phillies, Cubs, Dodgers, and they
won four out of nine, which is not great, but
they held their wrong and they should beat up on
the bad team. So yeah, they're you know, Thursday will
find out what they do. But I'm I'm as a
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as a fan of baseball and as someone who follows
this team, hopeful that they show their fans they do
the right thing by their loyal fans and and and
reinvest in the team and try to get some help
with this team down in the last two months.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So they have some assets below down to the minor
leagues which they can which they can make available. What
about losing a player of you know, some you know consequence.
I mean, they need pitching. They they're there's they're starting
rotation after Crochet is kind of a crap shoot, I think.
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I mean, you don't know what you're getting on any
given day.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Oh, no question.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean they're you know, they've got in and out
people with Gilio and and Buel has been kind of bad.
They it was okay, but yeah, they could use a
two guy, the number two guy, you know, behind Crochet
going to the playoffs should they get there. So that's
something people talk about. And you know, they've got a
lot of outfielders for every day outfielders, so you've got
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some real for wiggle there. They could use the first baseman,
they could use a lot of things, like a lot
of teams. There's not going to be that many teams
selling Boston's in Minnesota this week. They are a team
that we expect won't be selling, so they got a
chance to see some people up close. But yeah, we
just we don't know, and we're still, you know, three
days out on this, but it's going to be an
intriguing Thursday as we get into the six o'clock hour,
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see what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I wasn't sure if it was six or four pm?
Is six six pm deadline?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah? My understanding is six fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So the first if you could wave the magic wand
it would be a number two pitcher. I mean, somebody
who could be behind Crochet. And you mentioned Ryan who's
pitching for Minnesota. What would they have to give up
to get him?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, I mean, you know, Durant's a guy you hear
about a lot is. You know, we had a great
year last year, and he's twenty eight years old and
he's in his athletic prime and still his contract friendliness
for the next couple of years. So that's the naming
here quite a bit. He's playing tonight, he hit a double,
a couple of mens ago, yep, and that that could
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be a guy. They've got three other guys that are
contract friendly and ready to play the unforeseeable future. So
maybe you go there. I don't know, it's a he's
a popular player, but you got to give up something
to get something. And we'll see it where this ghoest
that that's going to be one that gets talked about
over the next course of the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean if they if they are looking for
Ryan the picture he's he would be a number two. Uh,
And there's no great I mean they kind of give away,
you know, three or four prospects to get someone like him,
and I'm not sure in Minnesota. I mean they're probably
I think in order to get a picture, they're going
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to have to move somebody. That's my that's my my
thought on it. I think you kind of think about
it that way. But you think it might not be
dract it could be potentially a brave.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think it's possible. You know, they're reluctant because they
like him. He's already got twenty plus homers, and he
was they got him, and they got him in the
deadline three three years ago under him Bloom, which was
a really good deal when they traded Christian Basquez. So
they've got some balls in play, and my fear is
that they'll either middle it or be very quiet and
say this was not a good market. It's it's not efficient,
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and you don't throw in all your chips on a
big year when you have a team that's in the middle.
And that would be, in my view, a little bit
disrespectful of the loyal fans they have, who are very
supportive of this team, and they've been waiting in a while.
I mean, they did great early in the century, they
won four World championships, but since twenty eighteen they've only
been in the playoffs once. And in Boston, that's really
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not acceptable given you know, the great fans, the great ballpark,
the great market, and and and there they're you know,
payroll possibilities because they have a lot of money. They
make a lot of money. They should spend a lot
of money to reward the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
My guest is Dan shaughnessy. Dan, let me let me
hold you for one more segment if it's okay. I also,
how's the is that Celtics book doing? Is that still available?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's evergreen and it's wish it lasted forever. Wrote it
during the pandemic. If you like Larry Byrd and when basketball,
when the NBA was better forty years ago, that's the
book for you. It was a lot of fun. What
was going on when the NBA was really fun. The
game was better, not all three point shots, and they
had personalities, and we had unusual access at that time
to live and travel and hang out at the airports
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and hotel bars and all that stuff with the players.
So you really get to know those old guys who
we all we all value as we get older.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, those those those days, I don't think are ever
going to come back.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You're not coming back.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah. And speaking of the Celtics real quickly, I mean
they got a real hill to climb to get back
to where they were a year ago. Obviously, with Jalen
Hurt and some of the guys now out of commission,
it could be a slow winter. So between the Patriots,
who you know, may do a little better, but I
don't think they're going to the playoffs, and the Bruins
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and the Celtics, who are kind of in a rebuilding mode,
we got to root for the Red Sox here and
we got to hope that maybe we'll get a little
bit of October baseball. Dan Shaughnessey is my guest. If
you'd like to ask Dan a question, to make a comment.
Six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty Red Sox continue
to be ahead in Minnesota. You just click those days
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off the calendar, see what happens. Who would you trade?
Who would you be willing to give up? If there's
anybody who can can can predict the trade. I'm not
talking about you know, I'm getting close. I'm talking about
really predict the trade. We'll have a prize at the
end of the week for you, that's for sure. And
if anybody could predict it, it's Dan shaughnessy, but he's
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ineligible because he's a guest. Six one seven, two, five
four to ten thirty six one seven nine, talking a
little baseball here on a Monday night, seventy two. Well,
now it's about seventy hours before the trading deadline, and
something's gotta give. The Yankees have already been picking away
at a couple of dire sore spots. The Red Sox
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so far, not so much. We'll hear from you, particularly
if you're a baseball fan. Give us a call. The
Great Dan Shaughnacy joins us, just back from uh Cooperstown.
He had a much easier trip. I read something today
the Red Sox. Dan, we'll mention this on the way back,
had a rough flight out to Minneapolis and apparently had
some turbulence and had to set down in Detroit and
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then uh, they went through some nasty weather. But they're okay.
They got their safe and sound back on Night Side right.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
After this, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
With me is Dan Shaughnacy of the Boston Globe. Is
is Ryan? The picture that they're kind of looking at
is see that Tomorrow's gildo in a TBD, which is
an interesting notation. What do you what do you read
into that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, Ryan's not scheduled to h to pitch in this
series that I'm aware of. And tonight they're not playing Buxton,
they're not playing Hater, which is two of their better
every day guys. So I'm not sure what's going on
in Minnesota. Uh, it looks like they've cashed in the
season a little bit. They had a two not to
lead in this game. And and Bregman just he's been
a wrecking ball for the Socks and he's been a
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great addition so so far. You got the sixth inning
Socks are batting, went out guy on second and and
could pad their lead a little bit. But but Jellie's
got his work cut out. We can't really tell how
serious they are about winning these games.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, certainly the Red Sox have to be serious at
this point. And as I say, I'm thinking it's got
to be a pitcher. Uh. And I know that they're
looking at maybe first basement, but I think they the
guy that's been playing there has been doing pretty well.
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I don't think the positional players of the problem right now.
I think it's got to be a picture and it's
got to be somebody that can beckon back, crochet up,
anyone other than Ryan that you might be thinking about.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh, I certainly have no insight on that. I don't
know who's available.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And you know, there's been.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
A few few moves throughout baseball, and and I'm going
to point now, Dan where I just sit back and
I wait for it to happen. I'm not going to speculate.
It's a it's a fool's errand for me because there's
so many guys out there and it's hard to stay
current and I just wait and see and then look up.
And when they tried to Devers, they got these guys.
You know, Jordan Hicks. I've never heard of the.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Guy, and he's he might be.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Their closer if Chapman's stay is hurt. Now he got
to save last night. He's had two stays. But yeah,
I kind of wait and see who ends up here
and then look into it because it's it's there's too
much to too many balls in the here to keep
this thing and play for me.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, the guy who I thought who was probably the
key to the was the left dated pitcher they they've
put down in Worcester, Harrison, I believe, who had actually
been a starter for the Giants for earlier in the
season and and Hicks kind of came out of nowhere.
He certainly throws the ball very hard, but the other
night he had all sorts of control problems. And in
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one of those games against Philadelphia, I think it was
the game the catches interference game.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That correct he came in with the ghost went on second,
had a four pitch walk through a while pitch with
the runner on third, had an attentional walk, and they
lost the game on catchers in appearance a rare game
din in which the opposing team did not put a
ball in play, had a winning rally.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yes, you know what. I forget who it was that
used to say that whenever they came to the ballpark,
it was always something that they would see that they
had never seen before. And that's that, certainly is I
want to go back to the book just for a
second here, because you've been kind to give us some time.
That book is available still Amazon, and again, parkins, back
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to the glory days, you traveled with that team. You
were a writer who the writers don't do that, I
guess anymore. They have to get to their own cities.
They don't have access on the team charters anymore. Why
did that change? And I assume the players like it.
The writers don't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Oh sure, I mean it went away.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I don't know, sometime in the early nineties probably, but
as a young reporter I covered the Orioles five years
for the Baltimore Sun, Washington Star, covered the Celtics for
the Globe, the Red Sox of the Globe, and first
twelve years or so in my career I was traveling
with the team and you did it was like you
were on the team, except you know, you were not
famous and didn't make the big money or have the
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celebrity or any of that stuff. But yeah, we were
very much part of the traveling group because I think
in the early days the teams wanted coverage and helped
out the papers made it easy for him, and there
were very few media outists at that time. So yeah,
we just we were with them all the way on
the buses, go to practice, go to the hotel, a
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way for bags, black commercial all that stuff. So I
wrote that book because that's never coming back, and I
understand that somebody's fault, just the way things evolved. They
have charter craft now and teams are very wealthy and
you have players, you know, flying with the Schmos and
commercial and trying to an empty seat in the middle
and all that stuff. So no, this was like, this
was travel the way the way we travel now very
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it could be, and all the things that come with it.
So we did that and we were very much a
part of the group. It's like being in the army
and being in school with people. You just with them
all the time. So we really were able to tell
the fans the readers what they're like.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You could tell people what.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Robert Parrish, Cedric Maxwell, Larry Bird, Dennis Johnson, Danny Age
what they're like. And I happened to be around a
team that was extremely talented. They went fifty and one
at home in nineteen eighty five eighty six, in my view,
the greatest team of all time. Kevin McHale, Larry Bird,
Bill Walton, Robert Parrish front fort Hall of Fame, Dennis
and Danny Aings in the backcourt. You know, could play
with any group because they had three point shooters. They
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were they were enormous, there were seven footers you had.
You had the whole package. And if you watch the
videos of those teams, it's just beautiful basketball. To give
me go the pick and roll, you know, just ballet
of passing and the way they went up and down
the court. It was very rugged as well. In great defense,
asked McHale, could you guys play anybody now and still
beat the musits? Of course, but would all out the
first half. So that's the way it went down. They
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were very fun, with a lot of personalities, and to
this day it's it's a pleasure for me to, you know,
get in touch with Kevin McHale or Cedric Maxwell or
mL Carr or any of those guys, because they have
great personalities in addition to be really good players.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Last question for me on on this topic, and that
is what was it like when you're traveling with the
Celtics and you're flying a flight, I don't know, you know,
a commercial flight. Did you get the seats all together?
Did you get this with the players or with the players?
All of a sudden, someone Larry Bird sits down next
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to some you know, salesman from Sheboygan.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
They pretty much had first class and we were back
in coach. But when you get off the plane, they deboarded, disembarked,
They got off first, so we were walking behind him,
and it really would get people's attention coming, you know,
to go through the terminal because we were behind them
and you see people gasping and reacting to these childs
because you know, seven foot tall guy, six foot ten guy.
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It really stands out in the airport, especially when it's
swell with them. So yeah, it's got a lot of attention.
And that would go on through all the way or
down and wait for bags and that whole thing. So
it was it was kind of a you know, we
were used to it, but it was it was. It
was fun and feel very privileged to have worked at
a time we could do that and get to know
the people we were covering so well.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well that that is what makes that book great. It
is a it's a moment in time which will not
be repeated. And if you're a basketball fan and just
a sports fan, this is when you need in your libry.
Dan Shaughnessy is always thanks for your time tonight, and
we'll have to see how it all plays out later
on this week.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I appreciate it. Thanks Dan, to talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, we go back after the news. I want
to hear from you. Do you believe in the Red Sox.
Now we're trying to just do some things here on
Night Side which are just a little different. We're still
going to do the bread and butter stories and all
of that. But look, I'm pretty good in baseball. I
suspect many of you are pretty good in baseball. My
sense is that this is a team that is going
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to hang around. That this is not the team of
the Red Sox for the last couple of years, where
they they looked okay till the All Star break and
then the wheels kind of came off. So I just
want to love to hear from you. Clearly, I don't
think they're going to be sellers. I think they got
to get someone. I want to see him get a picture.
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I want to see him get a starting pitcher. Maybe
you can't get a stud, you can't get a second
Crosette Crochet who is a stud. But you can get
somebody out there who may who may be able to
provide enough of a backstop and tighten up that rotation
a little bit so that you have a more consistent
rotation of It's just not you know, you're pretty sure
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when Crochet one out of five, but you gotta you
gotta have more than just Crochet to get to the playoffs,
and you certainly need more than crochet once you're in
the playoffs and you're playing good teams. Six one, seven, four,
ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty
are the Red Sox buyers or sellers, meaning if you
think they can they can get to the World Series
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or get into the playoffs. They got to do something
with this roster. They got to get a pitcher. Who
are you willing to get up to? Who are you
willing to give up to get a pitcher? I throw it.
I throw it out to you, baseball fans. This is
an important part of the year. There's we're coming up
on two months left in the season. Let's make it
two months that we will still be interested in baseball.
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Coming back on Night Side six seven, four, ten thirty six,
back after.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
This, it's Nice Eyes with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
All right, we are continuing talking a little bit of
baseball here. It is summertime, okay. You know it is
a talk show. We talk about what is on people's mind,
and there's a lot of people who baseball is forefront
of their mind. Let me go first up to New
Hampshire and check in with Bernie, Bernie, what do you
think about the Red Sox. Do you think that they're
going to be a buyer or a seller when the
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deadline strikes this Thursday at six pm.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Oh, you're doing tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Dan, I'm doing great, Bernie, welcome back.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Thank you. I'd like to see him be a buyer.
I mean they're a good you know that these kids
have infused some life into the team.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They think they.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Got a little addition by some traction.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
And you know, Devins was.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
A great ball player, but you know he was a
little distraction, and they say, need to be having fun
and playing good ball. And you know, I don't want
to see him give up the ran I don't think
they have to.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, they.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
When they got Cloche, they didn't give up front mind talent.
They got plenty of equity in the minors. They can
get like a Ryan or maybe a goal from the
from the from Washington, something like that, and and really
maybe make a run out of it. They get hot
like they in the playoffs. As we well know, anything
can happen.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, well, it's interesting you mentioned Gore a pretty good
pitcher for I think he's like eight and five. I
noticed the other day when you're eight, eight and five
with the team as bad as the Nationals. That that
stands out to me. I don't know much about him.
Give us a little background on him. Maybe he's the
guy that they could pull, that they could bring in
here is he would he be somebody who, in your opinion,
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could fit into the rotation as a number two starter.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Well, yeah, number two or number three anyway. I mean
they got the Dominican kid Bao s I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
One or the other.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Consistent. I mean he's had a couple of really impressive
games and then a couple of games not quite that impressive.
So are you You know interesting that you had mentioned
Gore because I happen to notice him the other day,
just uh scanning the box scores, and I thought, if
you're I think it was eight and five, I should
probably look it up. But I remember that, and I
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thought to myself, Jesus, the guy's eight and five with
the Washington Nationals. He can't be that bad, that's sure. No.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
No, he throws, he can throw. He's uh yeah, he
throws consistent strikes. He's it would be a great addition.
I mean, here's the thing you're gonna You're gonna be
you buy and and you bring some life into the team.
They're gonna sell out no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
But yeah, you know what, it's just fun. It's just
so fun when when they're doing well. It's good for baseball,
for the Red Sox and be doing well, you know,
with the tradition and and it's a great you know,
I went to my first game in nineteen sixty seven,
impossible dreamy. I was seven years old, and they they
set me up for to be disappointed for the rest
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of my life until the two thousand and fourths, you know.
But you know what, it's a great sport.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I look, I like that. You're you're a real fan.
I like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Oh, Dan, you have a good night.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, if if Gore is the guy, you gotta call
me back because I gotta get you something that is
a night side related. We'll get it up to you.
That would be. That's a really good That's it's not
a guess. I mean, it's you. You've identified. You know,
someone else will say, oh, get the guy from Pittsburgh. No,
this is a guy that he could be the difference here.
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I'm just you know, I'm just I'm looking right now
to make sure I got the same guy that that
you have. Oh, you know, I guess he's not. He's
not eight and five, he's four and ten. But he's
got a decent ERA three three point five Mackenzie Gore.
We'll have to keep an eye.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ye, yeah on that one.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
He'm twenty six years old. What is his career stats here?
And where was he before? Has he been with Washington?
I guess he's he came up with San Diego and
he's been Okay, he's been a pretty good picture. I
mean he's he's ERA fourth fourth season here, and he's
always under four.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That that could be a good one. That could be
a good one, Bernie, thank you very much. Let me
take a quick break here, No, you know what, I'm
going to take Tom in South Boston. I'm not going
to make him wait. I got a couple of minutes here.
Hey Tom, welcome, Welcome to Night Side.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
How are you very good?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Then? Thanks for the call?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, thank you very much for calling in. Who do
you should the Red Sox be buyers or sellers? Is
what I'm really asking you?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Bieus absolutely biased? Okay, and I like that story about Gore.
I'm I'm not aware who the pitchers are that are
out there, but this team has youth, it has veterans.
I think it's a good team. Maybe there's a hole
in the pitching staff, yep, but a good bullpen. I
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hope Chapman's okay. It reminds me of the sixty seven
Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah yeah, well, also you remember the two thousand and
four Red Sox which did win it all. They were
kind of floating in that five hundred and until they
traded Gaussian Para. And I don't want to say that
Gaussian Para was a problem or the Devils was a problem,
but I think that they had to give away something
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to get something, and maybe it shook up some of
the veterans. A lot of the other veterans seem to
be playing a little bit better now as well. So yes,
let's you know, let's see and you want to pick.
You got a favorite player that you'd like to maybe
see come here to Boston.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
My kid brother knows knows more than I do. But
I like this team. I mean, I love the way
they're running the bases, that they're taking extra bases that
make you saw that play at second base the other
day were he tagged the guy out. I mean, this
team is hungry. They are hungry.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, no, I agree with you, and we'll have we'll
have to see, you know, how it works out. The
good part about this is we're gonna know by Thursday night,
by time we go on the air, if they sat
pat or if they picked someone up of some value,
and you know, well, I mean they're going to have
to do something. I think if they set tied, they
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could still you know, do well, I think, but they
will have missed an opportunity in my opinion, if they don't.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, they're close, They're very close. But I like that
guy Gore. I mean I got to check out his stats.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, well, I'm looking at the stats. He was that
ten and twelve a year ago, you know, thirty two starts,
you know, one hundred and sixty six innings, Mackenzie Gore.
I think Bernie might have hit on somebody. Because obviously
the Nationals have a long way to come back, and
they're going to be looking for people. I think they
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just they they dumped one of their players to the
Yankees and infielder. So the Yankees have made a couple
of moves in the in the last day or so,
and they're they're interested in, they want to go for it.
That's that is for sure. I don't think they have it,
And particularly with Judge being hurt, if he's out for
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some time, that rips the guts out of that team.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We will say, you said Gore was out of San Diego,
that's always a farm team.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, well, he pitched for San Diego, came up in
twenty twenty two, and then he goes to the to
the Nationals, and you know, he's he's seven and ten
and then ten and twelve. So he plays for he's
most playing for bad teams. But he's a respectable guy.
In terms of his own run average, it's you know
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a little bit humoratively, a little bit above four. But yeah,
I mean he looks like he's a workhorse. He's he's
pitched one hundred and seventeen innings this year already in
twenty one starts. So we'll say it's, uh.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Twenty six years old. Twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, so that's you know, uh Bernie, Bernie,
I thought identified everybody's talking about this pitcher for the Twins. Ryan.
I think he's I think that's it's going to take
a lot to get him, because he definitely would be
a study as simple as that. Hey, Tom, I appreciate
you taking the time here, you get just go on here.
(30:48):
Thank you much.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I would not break up the ol field.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
No, no, Well, I think if they want, if they
may have to part with Ran. To be honest with you,
I mean, if anybody's going to go, I think it's
to Ran. I'm not going to get rid of the centerfielder.
Not going to get rid of in my opinion, embray Or,
I think he's he's too good. If anyone's going to go,
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I think it's anyone on the current team. It would
to get someone, you got to give something, and it
would in my opinion. We'll see see what people say.
Thank you, Tom, appreciate you call. Let's keep rolling here.
I got wide open lines here. I'm looking for a
couple of Red Sox fans to fill this hour out here.
We're going to switch topics at ten o'clock and we're
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going to get back to a very serious topic, and
that is the the horrific story of the little boy
who three months ago today was hit by a Boston
school bus a a kindergarten student who had gotten off
the bus and somehow the bus driver wasn't paying attention,
lost sight of the child that ran the child over.
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We're going to talk with the Turney for the family
of Lynz Joseph right after the ten o'clock news, but
we want to hear from you real quickly. Jump in
the air. Take a guess at who you think the
Red Sox are going to pick up, assuming that they're
gonna make it, make a deal. As I say, Bernie
has identified a pitcher for the Washington Nationals who most
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of us had never heard of. I had heard of him,
but I hope, but he would be a good one.
This guy would be a good one and could become
a number two starter with the Red Sox. Telling you,
if Bernie's right, he's going to get a prize. There's
no nobe about that. Six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
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We don't talk baseball often, but we're talking it tonight
for another ten minutes. Give me a quick call and
we'll get you in. Coming back on nightside. Who would
you like to see the Red Sox pick up and
if you pick someone that maybe no one's ever heard
of or uh and you and that's the guy they
pick up, we'll get your prize something you're really like.
I promise coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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one seems interested in talking about the Red Sox and baseball.
(34:38):
I've totally miss valued my audience tonight. Okay, that's fine
if I pick a topic that you're not interested in.
I like sports, I like baseball, I like the Red Sox,
and I'm interested in what they're going to do. But
some of you out there apparently have either no interest.
And that's okay. Let me tell you what we're going
(34:59):
to do. Coming up right after the ten o'clock news,
there is this horrific story that I'm sure many of
you are familiar with. We talked about it last week briefly,
we will talk about it tonight in a much greater depth.
It's the story of a five year old boy from Boston,
five year old kid Hyde Park kindergartner who was struck
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and killed by his own school bus on April twenty eighth,
That is exactly three months ago today, April May June
July Today is July twenty eighth. We are going to
be speaking with the attorney for the family, Matt Foegelman,
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filed a lawsuit. The trouble with this is there's been
no arrest. There's been no announcement from the police department,
been no announcement from the Mayor's office, but no announcement
from the Boston School Committee, and even perhaps more importantly,
no announcement from the Strict Attorney's office. As I have said,
and as I will say when I speak with the
(36:05):
attorney Fogelman on the other side of the ten o'clock news,
this is not something that is particularly complicated. This is
not the Kennedy assassination of November of nineteen sixty three.
This is a five year old boy whose bus driver
apparently was not familiar with the route, and who knows
what the bus driver was all about. We do know
(36:27):
at this point that the bus driver apparently struck a
couple of vehicles that afternoon and didn't stop, didn't report
it to his company, and shortly thereafter he missed the
drop off spot for five year old Lenz Joseph, and apparently,
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as opposed to going around and taking the time to
get the young boy back to where he should be
dropped off and where apparently his couple of his great
grandparents were waiting for him, he went ahead, dropped him
off on the opposite side, diagonally across this straight corner,
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and then when the little boy went across the street
and headed to where his grandparents were, two of his
grandparents the bus literally ran him over. His eleven year
old cousin was with him. She witnessed this horrible situation.
(37:33):
There's no sigation. I have no idea where this bus
driver is at this point, no idea if if he's
still in the area. I don't know that there's anything
that would prevent him from leaving the area. We'll ask
the attorney mac Foelgelman a lot of questions and if
you'd like to join the conversation and express your support
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for some information here, I just don't believe that this
lack of information is at all respectful for the memory
of little Lynz Arthur Joseph. And then we will be
talking about that on the other side of the ten
o'clock news here on a Monday night, July twenty eighth.
My name is Dan Ray, and this is nightside
You're on night side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's
Dan Watkins.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you, Dan Watkins. As we move into the nine
o'clock hour here at night, so you're gonna talk a
little baseball. There's a big week in baseball. No that
it's not the World Series, it's not the playoffs. Is
the trade deadline and with us is none of the
Dan Shaughnessy, I'm sure Dan is watching the Red Sox game.
I kind of kept an eye on it. The Red
Sox are just as Dan Watkins reported, gone ahead three
(00:32):
to two on a three run dinger by Alex Bragman.
Dan Shaughnessy, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm good, Dan, How are you good?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're just back from Cooperstown and you have an interesting
piece that I read today. Talked with a lot of
the Hall of famers up there, and sounds to me
like there's a there's a huge gulf that's developing between
the guys who are in the Hall of Fame and
the guys who are still playing looking to get in
the Hall of Fame. Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, thank you, Yeah, I was that was unsolicited. I
was spent a lot of three days there and I
had a lot of very privileged to have access to
these guys. And over the course of the induction weekend,
and I wasn't looking for anything, but I kept having
guys offer that they're they're not happy with the way
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the game is played now. And that's not that unusual,
you know, old generation, new generation, you know, it's kind
of time tested. But but in this case, they just
feel no one wants to hear what they have to say,
and they're being kind of discouraged from from offering help
or or being solicited to talk about to young players
because it's just done differently now and that creates some
(01:44):
you know, I don't know, pushback or agitation, whatever you call.
So I was, you know, you know, Rod Carew, Ken,
Griffy Junior, Jim Rice, Eddie Murray, just tauch a lot
of guys, and they were they were bringing it up
without me asking about it, and and it was a
little but startling to hear guys being told, you know,
we don't want you to talk to our players. Kind
(02:07):
of a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, Like if you were somebody who had a
chance to talk to Leonard Bernstein, you know when he
was alive, or you know, some other impresario in some
some area. I remember the story, and I think you
broke the story from now mistaken about Jim riis down
and and fort Meyer is being cautioned by some guy
(02:31):
not to talk about hitting with a couple of the
younger players.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That was Alex. That was Alex Barre at the Globe
does a great job, And yeah, okay, I probably I
try writes down to talk a little bit more about
it after hearing from other players about how this is
a trend. And I talked to Carlton Fisk later today
after you and I arranged to do this interview, and
Fist told me, Yeah, when I was in Sarasota with
(02:57):
the White Sox, they said, please don't talk to our cat.
I like really. So it's like it's like they know
better now and this is how we do it now,
and it's different things they stress and it's just kind
of a weird thing. So uh, as one of the
older guys who I have a lot of value for
for what happened before, and I do think that there's
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there's value in talking to Jim Rice or Rod Carew
about hitting. I mean, see Cruse Caruse exit velocity wouldn't
be big, wouldn't be fast because he placed the ball
he kind of like a tennis guy in soft server
over the left center as opposed to you know, hitting
rockets spill down the first baseline with great exit b low. Yeah,
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it's just it's just different, you know, different approach and
and you know, everybody's got their notion of what works
and what doesn't. But yeah, I was it made for
an interesting top topic.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well when does that piece hit the U? I know
it's digital today, it's on the webs.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, it'll be in print tomorrow. Tomorrow's printed globe and
it's online now and it'll.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'll be reading tomorrow. I've read it today and just
enjoyed it. It was, you know, great to see some
of the names that you forget, Jim Cotton and people
like that, who you know, you realize that these guys
were great, great baseball players in their day and they
would be great baseball players today as well. But what
we want to talk about tonight is the the annual
(04:20):
one of the one of the days that real baseball
fans look forward to, and that is the trade deadline.
So the the Red Sox have just you know, gone
ahead out in Minnesota. They're playing, as you would say,
kind of a Tomato can team and the Twins. They
should sweep the Twins and if they do, that'll you know,
(04:41):
that'll that will help them. I think Toronto is losing tonight,
so it's going to tighten up a little bit. Uh,
buyers are sellers.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, the Red Sox, they have to be buyers. I mean,
you know they can't sometimes they middle this thing. But uh,
you know in baseball all today, you know, you're it's
designed to have a lot of people in contention. They
are twelve teams make the playoffs. If the playoffs started today,
they would be in the playoffs. So you're not a
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seller when you've got that group. They've they've not been
great in this area the last five or six years,
and that's problematic with the fan base a little bit,
and rightfully so. But I can't vision any scenario where
they're selling off, you know, like a old As Chapman
or or you know, dumping pieces because they've they've they've
cashed on this year. This team has a chance to
make some noise. The American League is wide open. Baseball
(05:32):
is wide open. There's no great teams. But in the
Al in particular, you get hot, you get a chance,
and they've they've played well against you know, they just
based the good National League Phillies, Cubs, Dodgers, and they
won four out of nine, which is not great, but
they held their wrong and they should beat up on
the bad team. So yeah, they're you know, Thursday will
find out what they do. But I'm I'm as a
(05:56):
as a fan of baseball and as someone who follows
this team, hopeful that they show their fans they do
the right thing by their loyal fans and and and
reinvest in the team and try to get some help
with this team down in the last two months.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So they have some assets below down to the minor
leagues which they can which they can make available. What
about losing a player of you know, some you know consequence.
I mean, they need pitching. They they're there's they're starting
rotation after Crochet is kind of a crap shoot, I think.
(06:33):
I mean, you don't know what you're getting on any
given day.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Oh, no question.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean they're you know, they've got in and out
people with Gilio and and Buel has been kind of bad.
They it was okay, but yeah, they could use a
two guy, the number two guy, you know, behind Crochet
going to the playoffs should they get there. So that's
something people talk about. And you know, they've got a
lot of outfielders for every day outfielders, so you've got
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some real for wiggle there. They could use the first baseman,
they could use a lot of things, like a lot
of teams. There's not going to be that many teams
selling Boston's in Minnesota this week. They are a team
that we expect won't be selling, so they got a
chance to see some people up close. But yeah, we
just we don't know, and we're still, you know, three
days out on this, but it's going to be an
intriguing Thursday as we get into the six o'clock hour,
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see what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I wasn't sure if it was six or four pm?
Is six six pm deadline?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah? My understanding is six fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So the first if you could wave the magic wand
it would be a number two pitcher. I mean, somebody
who could be behind Crochet. And you mentioned Ryan who's
pitching for Minnesota. What would they have to give up
to get him?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, I mean, you know, Durant's a guy you hear
about a lot is. You know, we had a great
year last year, and he's twenty eight years old and
he's in his athletic prime and still his contract friendliness
for the next couple of years. So that's the naming
here quite a bit. He's playing tonight, he hit a double,
a couple of mens ago, yep, and that that could
(08:11):
be a guy. They've got three other guys that are
contract friendly and ready to play the unforeseeable future. So
maybe you go there. I don't know, it's a he's
a popular player, but you got to give up something
to get something. And we'll see it where this ghoest
that that's going to be one that gets talked about
over the next course of the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean if they if they are looking for
Ryan the picture he's he would be a number two. Uh,
And there's no great I mean they kind of give away,
you know, three or four prospects to get someone like him,
and I'm not sure in Minnesota. I mean they're probably
I think in order to get a picture, they're going
(08:51):
to have to move somebody. That's my that's my my
thought on it. I think you kind of think about
it that way. But you think it might not be
dract it could be potentially a brave.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think it's possible. You know, they're reluctant because they
like him. He's already got twenty plus homers, and he
was they got him, and they got him in the
deadline three three years ago under him Bloom, which was
a really good deal when they traded Christian Basquez. So
they've got some balls in play, and my fear is
that they'll either middle it or be very quiet and
say this was not a good market. It's it's not efficient,
(09:28):
and you don't throw in all your chips on a
big year when you have a team that's in the middle.
And that would be, in my view, a little bit
disrespectful of the loyal fans they have, who are very
supportive of this team, and they've been waiting in a while.
I mean, they did great early in the century, they
won four World championships, but since twenty eighteen they've only
been in the playoffs once. And in Boston, that's really
(09:50):
not acceptable given you know, the great fans, the great ballpark,
the great market, and and and there they're you know,
payroll possibilities because they have a lot of money. They
make a lot of money. They should spend a lot
of money to reward the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
My guest is Dan shaughnessy. Dan, let me let me
hold you for one more segment if it's okay. I also,
how's the is that Celtics book doing? Is that still available?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's evergreen and it's wish it lasted forever. Wrote it
during the pandemic. If you like Larry Byrd and when basketball,
when the NBA was better forty years ago, that's the
book for you. It was a lot of fun. What
was going on when the NBA was really fun. The
game was better, not all three point shots, and they
had personalities, and we had unusual access at that time
to live and travel and hang out at the airports
(10:38):
and hotel bars and all that stuff with the players.
So you really get to know those old guys who
we all we all value as we get older.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, those those those days, I don't think are ever
going to come back.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You're not coming back.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah. And speaking of the Celtics real quickly, I mean
they got a real hill to climb to get back
to where they were a year ago. Obviously, with Jalen
Hurt and some of the guys now out of commission,
it could be a slow winter. So between the Patriots,
who you know, may do a little better, but I
don't think they're going to the playoffs, and the Bruins
(11:12):
and the Celtics, who are kind of in a rebuilding mode,
we got to root for the Red Sox here and
we got to hope that maybe we'll get a little
bit of October baseball. Dan Shaughnessey is my guest. If
you'd like to ask Dan a question, to make a comment.
Six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty Red Sox continue
to be ahead in Minnesota. You just click those days
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off the calendar, see what happens. Who would you trade?
Who would you be willing to give up? If there's
anybody who can can can predict the trade. I'm not
talking about you know, I'm getting close. I'm talking about
really predict the trade. We'll have a prize at the
end of the week for you, that's for sure. And
if anybody could predict it, it's Dan shaughnessy, but he's
(11:55):
ineligible because he's a guest. Six one seven, two, five
four to ten thirty six one seven nine, talking a
little baseball here on a Monday night, seventy two. Well,
now it's about seventy hours before the trading deadline, and
something's gotta give. The Yankees have already been picking away
at a couple of dire sore spots. The Red Sox
(12:18):
so far, not so much. We'll hear from you, particularly
if you're a baseball fan. Give us a call. The
Great Dan Shaughnacy joins us, just back from uh Cooperstown.
He had a much easier trip. I read something today
the Red Sox. Dan, we'll mention this on the way back,
had a rough flight out to Minneapolis and apparently had
some turbulence and had to set down in Detroit and
(12:38):
then uh, they went through some nasty weather. But they're okay.
They got their safe and sound back on Night Side right.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
After this, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
With me is Dan Shaughnacy of the Boston Globe. Is
is Ryan? The picture that they're kind of looking at
is see that Tomorrow's gildo in a TBD, which is
an interesting notation. What do you what do you read
into that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, Ryan's not scheduled to h to pitch in this
series that I'm aware of. And tonight they're not playing Buxton,
they're not playing Hater, which is two of their better
every day guys. So I'm not sure what's going on
in Minnesota. Uh, it looks like they've cashed in the
season a little bit. They had a two not to
lead in this game. And and Bregman just he's been
a wrecking ball for the Socks and he's been a
(13:28):
great addition so so far. You got the sixth inning
Socks are batting, went out guy on second and and
could pad their lead a little bit. But but Jellie's
got his work cut out. We can't really tell how
serious they are about winning these games.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, certainly the Red Sox have to be serious at
this point. And as I say, I'm thinking it's got
to be a pitcher. Uh. And I know that they're
looking at maybe first basement, but I think they the
guy that's been playing there has been doing pretty well.
(14:05):
I don't think the positional players of the problem right now.
I think it's got to be a picture and it's
got to be somebody that can beckon back, crochet up,
anyone other than Ryan that you might be thinking about.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh, I certainly have no insight on that. I don't
know who's available.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And you know, there's been.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
A few few moves throughout baseball, and and I'm going
to point now, Dan where I just sit back and
I wait for it to happen. I'm not going to speculate.
It's a it's a fool's errand for me because there's
so many guys out there and it's hard to stay
current and I just wait and see and then look up.
And when they tried to Devers, they got these guys.
You know, Jordan Hicks. I've never heard of the.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Guy, and he's he might be.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Their closer if Chapman's stay is hurt. Now he got
to save last night. He's had two stays. But yeah,
I kind of wait and see who ends up here
and then look into it because it's it's there's too
much to too many balls in the here to keep
this thing and play for me.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, the guy who I thought who was probably the
key to the was the left dated pitcher they they've
put down in Worcester, Harrison, I believe, who had actually
been a starter for the Giants for earlier in the
season and and Hicks kind of came out of nowhere.
He certainly throws the ball very hard, but the other
night he had all sorts of control problems. And in
(15:17):
one of those games against Philadelphia, I think it was
the game the catches interference game.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That correct he came in with the ghost went on second,
had a four pitch walk through a while pitch with
the runner on third, had an attentional walk, and they
lost the game on catchers in appearance a rare game
din in which the opposing team did not put a
ball in play, had a winning rally.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yes, you know what. I forget who it was that
used to say that whenever they came to the ballpark,
it was always something that they would see that they
had never seen before. And that's that, certainly is I
want to go back to the book just for a
second here, because you've been kind to give us some time.
That book is available still Amazon, and again, parkins, back
(16:00):
to the glory days, you traveled with that team. You
were a writer who the writers don't do that, I
guess anymore. They have to get to their own cities.
They don't have access on the team charters anymore. Why
did that change? And I assume the players like it.
The writers don't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Oh sure, I mean it went away.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I don't know, sometime in the early nineties probably, but
as a young reporter I covered the Orioles five years
for the Baltimore Sun, Washington Star, covered the Celtics for
the Globe, the Red Sox of the Globe, and first
twelve years or so in my career I was traveling
with the team and you did it was like you
were on the team, except you know, you were not
famous and didn't make the big money or have the
(16:44):
celebrity or any of that stuff. But yeah, we were
very much part of the traveling group because I think
in the early days the teams wanted coverage and helped
out the papers made it easy for him, and there
were very few media outists at that time. So yeah,
we just we were with them all the way on
the buses, go to practice, go to the hotel, a
(17:04):
way for bags, black commercial all that stuff. So I
wrote that book because that's never coming back, and I
understand that somebody's fault, just the way things evolved. They
have charter craft now and teams are very wealthy and
you have players, you know, flying with the Schmos and
commercial and trying to an empty seat in the middle
and all that stuff. So no, this was like, this
was travel the way the way we travel now very
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it could be, and all the things that come with it.
So we did that and we were very much a
part of the group. It's like being in the army
and being in school with people. You just with them
all the time. So we really were able to tell
the fans the readers what they're like.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You could tell people what.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Robert Parrish, Cedric Maxwell, Larry Bird, Dennis Johnson, Danny Age
what they're like. And I happened to be around a
team that was extremely talented. They went fifty and one
at home in nineteen eighty five eighty six, in my view,
the greatest team of all time. Kevin McHale, Larry Bird,
Bill Walton, Robert Parrish front fort Hall of Fame, Dennis
and Danny Aings in the backcourt. You know, could play
with any group because they had three point shooters. They
(18:05):
were they were enormous, there were seven footers you had.
You had the whole package. And if you watch the
videos of those teams, it's just beautiful basketball. To give
me go the pick and roll, you know, just ballet
of passing and the way they went up and down
the court. It was very rugged as well. In great defense,
asked McHale, could you guys play anybody now and still
beat the musits? Of course, but would all out the
first half. So that's the way it went down. They
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were very fun, with a lot of personalities, and to
this day it's it's a pleasure for me to, you know,
get in touch with Kevin McHale or Cedric Maxwell or
mL Carr or any of those guys, because they have
great personalities in addition to be really good players.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Last question for me on on this topic, and that
is what was it like when you're traveling with the
Celtics and you're flying a flight, I don't know, you know,
a commercial flight. Did you get the seats all together?
Did you get this with the players or with the players?
All of a sudden, someone Larry Bird sits down next
(19:01):
to some you know, salesman from Sheboygan.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
They pretty much had first class and we were back
in coach. But when you get off the plane, they deboarded, disembarked,
They got off first, so we were walking behind him,
and it really would get people's attention coming, you know,
to go through the terminal because we were behind them
and you see people gasping and reacting to these childs
because you know, seven foot tall guy, six foot ten guy.
(19:27):
It really stands out in the airport, especially when it's
swell with them. So yeah, it's got a lot of attention.
And that would go on through all the way or
down and wait for bags and that whole thing. So
it was it was kind of a you know, we
were used to it, but it was it was. It
was fun and feel very privileged to have worked at
a time we could do that and get to know
the people we were covering so well.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well that that is what makes that book great. It
is a it's a moment in time which will not
be repeated. And if you're a basketball fan and just
a sports fan, this is when you need in your libry.
Dan Shaughnessy is always thanks for your time tonight, and
we'll have to see how it all plays out later
on this week.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I appreciate it. Thanks Dan, to talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, we go back after the news. I want
to hear from you. Do you believe in the Red Sox.
Now we're trying to just do some things here on
Night Side which are just a little different. We're still
going to do the bread and butter stories and all
of that. But look, I'm pretty good in baseball. I
suspect many of you are pretty good in baseball. My
sense is that this is a team that is going
(20:30):
to hang around. That this is not the team of
the Red Sox for the last couple of years, where
they they looked okay till the All Star break and
then the wheels kind of came off. So I just
want to love to hear from you. Clearly, I don't
think they're going to be sellers. I think they got
to get someone. I want to see him get a picture.
(20:52):
I want to see him get a starting pitcher. Maybe
you can't get a stud, you can't get a second
Crosette Crochet who is a stud. But you can get
somebody out there who may who may be able to
provide enough of a backstop and tighten up that rotation
a little bit so that you have a more consistent
rotation of It's just not you know, you're pretty sure
(21:15):
when Crochet one out of five, but you gotta you
gotta have more than just Crochet to get to the playoffs,
and you certainly need more than crochet once you're in
the playoffs and you're playing good teams. Six one, seven, four,
ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty
are the Red Sox buyers or sellers, meaning if you
think they can they can get to the World Series
(21:35):
or get into the playoffs. They got to do something
with this roster. They got to get a pitcher. Who
are you willing to get up to? Who are you
willing to give up to get a pitcher? I throw it.
I throw it out to you, baseball fans. This is
an important part of the year. There's we're coming up
on two months left in the season. Let's make it
two months that we will still be interested in baseball.
(21:57):
Coming back on Night Side six seven, four, ten thirty six,
back after.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
This, it's Nice Eyes with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
All right, we are continuing talking a little bit of
baseball here. It is summertime, okay. You know it is
a talk show. We talk about what is on people's mind,
and there's a lot of people who baseball is forefront
of their mind. Let me go first up to New
Hampshire and check in with Bernie, Bernie, what do you
think about the Red Sox. Do you think that they're
going to be a buyer or a seller when the
(22:33):
deadline strikes this Thursday at six pm.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Oh, you're doing tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Dan, I'm doing great, Bernie, welcome back.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Thank you. I'd like to see him be a buyer.
I mean they're a good you know that these kids
have infused some life into the team.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They think they.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Got a little addition by some traction.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
And you know, Devins was.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
A great ball player, but you know he was a
little distraction, and they say, need to be having fun
and playing good ball. And you know, I don't want
to see him give up the ran I don't think
they have to.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, they.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
When they got Cloche, they didn't give up front mind talent.
They got plenty of equity in the minors. They can
get like a Ryan or maybe a goal from the
from the from Washington, something like that, and and really
maybe make a run out of it. They get hot
like they in the playoffs. As we well know, anything
can happen.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, well, it's interesting you mentioned Gore a pretty good
pitcher for I think he's like eight and five. I
noticed the other day when you're eight, eight and five
with the team as bad as the Nationals. That that
stands out to me. I don't know much about him.
Give us a little background on him. Maybe he's the
guy that they could pull, that they could bring in
here is he would he be somebody who, in your opinion,
(23:50):
could fit into the rotation as a number two starter.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Well, yeah, number two or number three anyway. I mean
they got the Dominican kid Bao s I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
One or the other.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Consistent. I mean he's had a couple of really impressive
games and then a couple of games not quite that impressive.
So are you You know interesting that you had mentioned
Gore because I happen to notice him the other day,
just uh scanning the box scores, and I thought, if
you're I think it was eight and five, I should
probably look it up. But I remember that, and I
(24:24):
thought to myself, Jesus, the guy's eight and five with
the Washington Nationals. He can't be that bad, that's sure. No.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
No, he throws, he can throw. He's uh yeah, he
throws consistent strikes. He's it would be a great addition.
I mean, here's the thing you're gonna You're gonna be
you buy and and you bring some life into the team.
They're gonna sell out no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We know that.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
But yeah, you know what, it's just fun. It's just
so fun when when they're doing well. It's good for baseball,
for the Red Sox and be doing well, you know,
with the tradition and and it's a great you know,
I went to my first game in nineteen sixty seven,
impossible dreamy. I was seven years old, and they they
set me up for to be disappointed for the rest
(25:11):
of my life until the two thousand and fourths, you know.
But you know what, it's a great sport.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I look, I like that. You're you're a real fan.
I like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Oh, Dan, you have a good night.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, if if Gore is the guy, you gotta call
me back because I gotta get you something that is
a night side related. We'll get it up to you.
That would be. That's a really good That's it's not
a guess. I mean, it's you. You've identified. You know,
someone else will say, oh, get the guy from Pittsburgh. No,
this is a guy that he could be the difference here.
(25:47):
I'm just you know, I'm just I'm looking right now
to make sure I got the same guy that that
you have. Oh, you know, I guess he's not. He's
not eight and five, he's four and ten. But he's
got a decent ERA three three point five Mackenzie Gore.
We'll have to keep an eye.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ye, yeah on that one.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
He'm twenty six years old. What is his career stats here?
And where was he before? Has he been with Washington?
I guess he's he came up with San Diego and
he's been Okay, he's been a pretty good picture. I
mean he's he's ERA fourth fourth season here, and he's
always under four.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That that could be a good one. That could be
a good one, Bernie, thank you very much. Let me
take a quick break here, No, you know what, I'm
going to take Tom in South Boston. I'm not going
to make him wait. I got a couple of minutes here.
Hey Tom, welcome, Welcome to Night Side.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
How are you very good?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Then? Thanks for the call?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, thank you very much for calling in. Who do
you should the Red Sox be buyers or sellers? Is
what I'm really asking you?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Bieus absolutely biased? Okay, and I like that story about Gore.
I'm I'm not aware who the pitchers are that are
out there, but this team has youth, it has veterans.
I think it's a good team. Maybe there's a hole
in the pitching staff, yep, but a good bullpen. I
(27:13):
hope Chapman's okay. It reminds me of the sixty seven
Red Sox.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah yeah, well, also you remember the two thousand and
four Red Sox which did win it all. They were
kind of floating in that five hundred and until they
traded Gaussian Para. And I don't want to say that
Gaussian Para was a problem or the Devils was a problem,
but I think that they had to give away something
(27:41):
to get something, and maybe it shook up some of
the veterans. A lot of the other veterans seem to
be playing a little bit better now as well. So yes,
let's you know, let's see and you want to pick.
You got a favorite player that you'd like to maybe
see come here to Boston.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
My kid brother knows knows more than I do. But
I like this team. I mean, I love the way
they're running the bases, that they're taking extra bases that
make you saw that play at second base the other
day were he tagged the guy out. I mean, this
team is hungry. They are hungry.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, no, I agree with you, and we'll have we'll
have to see, you know, how it works out. The
good part about this is we're gonna know by Thursday night,
by time we go on the air, if they sat
pat or if they picked someone up of some value,
and you know, well, I mean they're going to have
to do something. I think if they set tied, they
(28:43):
could still you know, do well, I think, but they
will have missed an opportunity in my opinion, if they don't.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, they're close, They're very close. But I like that
guy Gore. I mean I got to check out his stats.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, well, I'm looking at the stats. He was that
ten and twelve a year ago, you know, thirty two starts,
you know, one hundred and sixty six innings, Mackenzie Gore.
I think Bernie might have hit on somebody. Because obviously
the Nationals have a long way to come back, and
they're going to be looking for people. I think they
(29:18):
just they they dumped one of their players to the
Yankees and infielder. So the Yankees have made a couple
of moves in the in the last day or so,
and they're they're interested in, they want to go for it.
That's that is for sure. I don't think they have it,
And particularly with Judge being hurt, if he's out for
(29:39):
some time, that rips the guts out of that team.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We will say, you said Gore was out of San Diego,
that's always a farm team.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, well, he pitched for San Diego, came up in
twenty twenty two, and then he goes to the to
the Nationals, and you know, he's he's seven and ten
and then ten and twelve. So he plays for he's
most playing for bad teams. But he's a respectable guy.
In terms of his own run average, it's you know
(30:12):
a little bit humoratively, a little bit above four. But yeah,
I mean he looks like he's a workhorse. He's he's
pitched one hundred and seventeen innings this year already in
twenty one starts. So we'll say it's, uh.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Twenty six years old. Twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, so that's you know, uh Bernie, Bernie,
I thought identified everybody's talking about this pitcher for the Twins. Ryan.
I think he's I think that's it's going to take
a lot to get him, because he definitely would be
a study as simple as that. Hey, Tom, I appreciate
you taking the time here, you get just go on here.
(30:48):
Thank you much.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I would not break up the ol field.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
No, no, Well, I think if they want, if they
may have to part with Ran. To be honest with you,
I mean, if anybody's going to go, I think it's
to Ran. I'm not going to get rid of the centerfielder.
Not going to get rid of in my opinion, embray Or,
I think he's he's too good. If anyone's going to go,
(31:17):
I think it's anyone on the current team. It would
to get someone, you got to give something, and it
would in my opinion. We'll see see what people say.
Thank you, Tom, appreciate you call. Let's keep rolling here.
I got wide open lines here. I'm looking for a
couple of Red Sox fans to fill this hour out here.
We're going to switch topics at ten o'clock and we're
(31:37):
going to get back to a very serious topic, and
that is the the horrific story of the little boy
who three months ago today was hit by a Boston
school bus a a kindergarten student who had gotten off
the bus and somehow the bus driver wasn't paying attention,
lost sight of the child that ran the child over.
(31:58):
We're going to talk with the Turney for the family
of Lynz Joseph right after the ten o'clock news, but
we want to hear from you real quickly. Jump in
the air. Take a guess at who you think the
Red Sox are going to pick up, assuming that they're
gonna make it, make a deal. As I say, Bernie
has identified a pitcher for the Washington Nationals who most
(32:21):
of us had never heard of. I had heard of him,
but I hope, but he would be a good one.
This guy would be a good one and could become
a number two starter with the Red Sox. Telling you,
if Bernie's right, he's going to get a prize. There's
no nobe about that. Six one, seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
(32:41):
We don't talk baseball often, but we're talking it tonight
for another ten minutes. Give me a quick call and
we'll get you in. Coming back on nightside. Who would
you like to see the Red Sox pick up and
if you pick someone that maybe no one's ever heard
of or uh and you and that's the guy they
pick up, we'll get your prize something you're really like.
I promise coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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one seems interested in talking about the Red Sox and baseball.
(34:38):
I've totally miss valued my audience tonight. Okay, that's fine
if I pick a topic that you're not interested in.
I like sports, I like baseball, I like the Red Sox,
and I'm interested in what they're going to do. But
some of you out there apparently have either no interest.
And that's okay. Let me tell you what we're going
(34:59):
to do. Coming up right after the ten o'clock news,
there is this horrific story that I'm sure many of
you are familiar with. We talked about it last week briefly,
we will talk about it tonight in a much greater depth.
It's the story of a five year old boy from Boston,
five year old kid Hyde Park kindergartner who was struck
(35:22):
and killed by his own school bus on April twenty eighth,
That is exactly three months ago today, April May June
July Today is July twenty eighth. We are going to
be speaking with the attorney for the family, Matt Foegelman,
(35:43):
filed a lawsuit. The trouble with this is there's been
no arrest. There's been no announcement from the police department,
been no announcement from the Mayor's office, but no announcement
from the Boston School Committee, and even perhaps more importantly,
no announcement from the Strict Attorney's office. As I have said,
and as I will say when I speak with the
(36:05):
attorney Fogelman on the other side of the ten o'clock news,
this is not something that is particularly complicated. This is
not the Kennedy assassination of November of nineteen sixty three.
This is a five year old boy whose bus driver
apparently was not familiar with the route, and who knows
what the bus driver was all about. We do know
(36:27):
at this point that the bus driver apparently struck a
couple of vehicles that afternoon and didn't stop, didn't report
it to his company, and shortly thereafter he missed the
drop off spot for five year old Lenz Joseph, and apparently,
(36:50):
as opposed to going around and taking the time to
get the young boy back to where he should be
dropped off and where apparently his couple of his great
grandparents were waiting for him, he went ahead, dropped him
off on the opposite side, diagonally across this straight corner,
(37:11):
and then when the little boy went across the street
and headed to where his grandparents were, two of his
grandparents the bus literally ran him over. His eleven year
old cousin was with him. She witnessed this horrible situation.
(37:33):
There's no sigation. I have no idea where this bus
driver is at this point, no idea if if he's
still in the area. I don't know that there's anything
that would prevent him from leaving the area. We'll ask
the attorney mac Foelgelman a lot of questions and if
you'd like to join the conversation and express your support
(37:53):
for some information here, I just don't believe that this
lack of information is at all respectful for the memory
of little Lynz Arthur Joseph. And then we will be
talking about that on the other side of the ten
o'clock news here on a Monday night, July twenty eighth.
My name is Dan Ray, and this is nightside
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